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Cold Case: Nadine O'Dell disappears on her way to babysit · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: M Triumph Channel one thirty two. The shocking, the disturbing
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  Speaker 1: stories and reports regarding what we believe to be another
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  Speaker 1: and prolific serial killer, Arthur Reem has rocked the country
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  Speaker 1: and what we're learning of him. Regarding a burial ground
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  Speaker 1: of sorts where young girls are buried the same site
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  Speaker 1: where a young teen girl, Cindy Zarzeki, just thirteen years old,
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  Speaker 1: was murdered and buried in Little White Mary Janes opened
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  Speaker 1: up a can of worms, a shocking revelation that more
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  Speaker 1: teen girls and younger may have been Arthur Reams murder
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  Speaker 1: and rape victims. The site regarded as a so called
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  Speaker 1: burial site for all these young girls has not yielded
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  Speaker 1: what we had hoped for, and now those girls names
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  Speaker 1: are re added to a list of so called cold cases.
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  Speaker 1: One of those young girls, Nadine, Nadine Odell, goes missing
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  Speaker 1: when she's just a teen girl. I'm Nancy Grace. This
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  Speaker 1: is crime stories we want answers. Nadine is not buried there,
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  Speaker 1: so where is she? What became of her? Is Arthur
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  Speaker 1: Rain just taking us all in a wild goose chase.
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  Speaker 1: He never said her name. It was just supposed that
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  Speaker 1: maybe she was one of his victims. But now, sadly,
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  Speaker 1: we have no clue about where this teen girl. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: her sister has never given up. Listen right there, memories
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  Speaker 1: back as Brenda Lee hand Looser sees home video of
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  Speaker 1: her sister Nadine. But I've never seen this much of it.
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  Speaker 1: There's Nadine, Oh my god, where are you? Nadine? Jean
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  Speaker 1: Odell was just sixteen years old when she disappeared Inkster,
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  Speaker 1: August sixteenth, nineteen seventy four. She was walking to a
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  Speaker 1: babysitting job and never arrived. I know there's somebody out
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  Speaker 1: there that knows. You know, you hear it all the time,
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  Speaker 1: you know, somebody seeing something, and I know somebody had
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  Speaker 1: to have seen something. It was during the day and
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  Speaker 1: Nadine was last seen after nine thirty am walking down
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  Speaker 1: John Daily Road towards Michigan Avenue in Inkster. Brenda says
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  Speaker 1: Nadine was babysitting her frends of younger siblings and Taylor.
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  Speaker 1: He would meet her at the halfway point. She didn't
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  Speaker 1: make it to that point. He came to the house
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  Speaker 1: and he's like, where's Nadine. She wasn't there, and that's
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  Speaker 1: how it all started. I just remember as a very
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  Speaker 1: quiet song, she you know, played with us and she
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  Speaker 1: baby started a lot. This is the last picture that
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  Speaker 1: I know of that was taken over. If she is alive,
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  Speaker 1: Nadine would be fifty nine years old. This age progression
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  Speaker 1: photo was done when she would have been fifty two.
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  Speaker 1: Brenda fears the worst, but wants closure. Oh I know
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  Speaker 1: she's dead. Oh I know she's done. Nadine wouldn't have
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  Speaker 1: stayed away. She would not have stayed away. She went
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  Speaker 1: home to my mom. I want to bring my sister
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  Speaker 1: home and layer to rust. I don't care if it's
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  Speaker 1: a bone, a piece of hair, a nail, I don't care.
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  Speaker 1: I just want my sister. She's out there somewhere, laying
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  Speaker 1: in the ground or wherever. The thought of your sister
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  Speaker 1: or your child, only the only remains you have is,
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  Speaker 1: as she said, a bone, a fingernail, her hair. Dr
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  Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall l a psychoanalyst. That has got to be
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  Speaker 1: devastating that that's all you have left of your child.
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  Speaker 1: Not only is that all you have left, but you
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  Speaker 1: don't know what happened to them when they died. You know,
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  Speaker 1: for most of us, if a situation is ambiguous, we
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  Speaker 1: don't really quite know what happened. We can't fill in
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  Speaker 1: the blanks. We fill in the blanks with the most
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  Speaker 1: negative scenario. That's just human nature. Layer on top of
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  Speaker 1: that that, you know your loved one has gone missing
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  Speaker 1: and it's probably dead, and it would fill your mind
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  Speaker 1: with fantasies of like torture, rape, not knowing what their
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  Speaker 1: last hours were like so not just that you may
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  Speaker 1: just have like a bone or hair, but you don't
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  Speaker 1: know what happened to that person in their final hours.
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  Speaker 1: The thought of it and playing it over and over
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  Speaker 1: and over in your mind and never really knowing With
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  Speaker 1: me is John Linley Crime Stories in ustigative reporter, renowned
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  Speaker 1: l a psychoanalyst Dr. Bethany Marshall, and private investigator Vincent Hill.
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  Speaker 1: John Lily, I want to talk about the so called
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  Speaker 1: cold case, and I hate that term because when people
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  Speaker 1: hear the words cold case, a lot of times they
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  Speaker 1: just tuned out. But the pain of the family never
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  Speaker 1: gets tuned out. It never goes cold, it goes on,
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  Speaker 1: and not knowing what happened to your child or your
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  Speaker 1: little sister, it never lets you move to grieving because
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  Speaker 1: you're always looking that day. Nadine O'Dell was a babysitter.
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  Speaker 1: She's a kid herself, but she baby sat and she
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  Speaker 1: was on her way on foot, not too far away
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  Speaker 1: to babysit. She never made it. What do we know
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  Speaker 1: about Nadine Odell, John Limley. She was a beloved sister,
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  Speaker 1: as you can hear in that audio with her sister
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  Speaker 1: just a moment ago Um, she was the sister that
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  Speaker 1: this woman has always really wanted to get to know it.
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  Speaker 1: I know this much. I know. She's five one, weighed
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  Speaker 1: hundred and five pounds, a little bitty thing. Um. She
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  Speaker 1: went missing in Inkster, Michigan when she was had just
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  Speaker 1: turned sixteen. A white female with blond hair and green eyes.
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  Speaker 1: Really cute and looks like she her face was covered
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  Speaker 1: and freckles. Her hair is kind of strawberry blonde, and
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  Speaker 1: the freckles match her hair. And she was on foot.
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  Speaker 1: And what's interesting about that, John Limley, as a lot
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  Speaker 1: of the other victims of Arthur Reem were also on foot.
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  Speaker 1: She was last seeing wearing a white T shirt, baggy jeans,
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  Speaker 1: and a high school class ring on a chain around
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  Speaker 1: her neck. All right, So, John Limley, she didn't have
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  Speaker 1: far to walk, No, not at all. And that seems
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  Speaker 1: to be the case with a number of these missing persons,
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  Speaker 1: these missing girls. One of them, uh, Kimberly King was
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  Speaker 1: just across the street from her grandparents house when she
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  Speaker 1: was last heard from on a on a phone call.
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  Speaker 1: Oh gosh, you're giving me chills, because you know what,
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  Speaker 1: this reminds me of Vincent hild Private investigator. Do you
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  Speaker 1: recall this gorgeous little girl in Florida, Carly Brecia. She
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  Speaker 1: had been to a spend the night party the night before. Well,
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  Speaker 1: not spend the night party. She spent the night with
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  Speaker 1: her little friend girl and decided to walk home. It
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  Speaker 1: was less than a ten minute walk home, okay, and
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  Speaker 1: she happened to cut caddy cornered across the back parking
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  Speaker 1: lot of a car wash, you know the kind that
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  Speaker 1: you drive your car into, which a lot of them.
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  Speaker 1: You can see through the car wash itself. It wasn't
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  Speaker 1: like she was walking in an industrial area. It was
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  Speaker 1: a residential area. But this one spot happened to have
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  Speaker 1: a car wash. She cut caddy cornered across the parking lot,
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  Speaker 1: and it's caught on video. You see the killer walk
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  Speaker 1: up to the girl and I think she's twelve, grab
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  Speaker 1: her by the arm and pull her off. That's the
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  Speaker 1: last she's ever seen her body. Carly Bruce's body was
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  Speaker 1: found half naked in the same town behind in a
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  Speaker 1: wooded area behind Central Church of God. Okay, it the
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  Speaker 1: the guy was a predator. He was out looking, that's true,
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  Speaker 1: but he just happened to see her and she was
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  Speaker 1: gone just like that, just like Nadine Odell to Vincent Hill.
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  Speaker 1: Why is it children on foot? They're such easy targets. Yeah, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: and I think you hit the nail on the head
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  Speaker 1: a lot of times to these paraters. What they do
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  Speaker 1: is they go into these neighborhoods because they know at
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  Speaker 1: some point there's going to be a small child walking
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  Speaker 1: by themselves, and it's just like a d u I.
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  Speaker 1: You know, the old thing that you you usually have
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  Speaker 1: a d o I accident within a few miles of
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  Speaker 1: your house, is just like an abduction. It's usually a
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  Speaker 1: few miles from the home. Because that's what these predators do.
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  Speaker 1: They go to these areas where they know small children,
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  Speaker 1: easy targets, will be walking around and they can snatch
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  Speaker 1: them very easily. Again, faded, baggy blue jeans, white T shirt,
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  Speaker 1: her then her little boyfriend's Taylor High School class ring
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  Speaker 1: on a chain around her neck. The ring's white gold
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  Speaker 1: with a blue stone and a ram's head, blonde hair,
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  Speaker 1: green eyes, freckles. I'm taking a look at her age
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  Speaker 1: progression photos again. She's last seen walking in an inkster,
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  Speaker 1: Michigan suburb, in a neighborhood she was on John daily
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  Speaker 1: road walking towards Michigan Avenue and what's another amazing thing,
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  Speaker 1: Vincent Hill. She was last seen at nine thirty a m.
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  Speaker 1: In the morning. I mean, who's thinking about kidnapping, raping,
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  Speaker 1: and murdering a little girl at nine a m. In
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  Speaker 1: the morning. Well, obviously a predator. But you know, the
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  Speaker 1: thing about these early morning abductions is everyone's too busy
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  Speaker 1: focused on getting the word, getting their kids to school,
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  Speaker 1: checking the mail, getting the newspaper. They're not really watching
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  Speaker 1: the things that we really should be watching. So if
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  Speaker 1: you think about it, it's actually a prime time to
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  Speaker 1: abduct someone because everyone's so focused on their personal lives
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  Speaker 1: that they're not watching out for these predators. Nadine was
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  Speaker 1: on her way to babysit and a house in Tailor
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  Speaker 1: on foot. In fact, her little boyfriend, they were both
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  Speaker 1: just kids, was meeting her halfway and he got there,
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  Speaker 1: So just halfway between her home and halfway there, she
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  Speaker 1: was taken. Dr Bethany Marshall, l a psychoanalysts It almost
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  Speaker 1: seems too hard to take in that in that short
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  Speaker 1: of a moment she's gone, but that is exactly the
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  Speaker 1: way it happens. And I think about that Dr Bethany.
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  Speaker 1: Every time I pull up to the grocery store and
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  Speaker 1: I think only the children in the car, They'll just
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  Speaker 1: be five minutes. I'll run out. Then I think just
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  Speaker 1: five minutes. That turns into ten, that turns into fifteen minutes,
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  Speaker 1: just fifteen minutes, and they could be gone, gone, just
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  Speaker 1: like that. And and I'm just thinking about her parents,
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  Speaker 1: the suffering they've been to. I want to circle back
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  Speaker 1: to what Vincent Hill was talking about. Who is thinking
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  Speaker 1: about kidnapping, raping, and murdering a child at nine o'clock
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  Speaker 1: in the morning. Well, you have a predator whose offending
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  Speaker 1: pattern is being a pedophile, right who has a certain
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  Speaker 1: target victim. You know some pedophiles right now, when you
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  Speaker 1: say it's a pedophile with a a routine, we don't
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  Speaker 1: know who took her, We have no idea. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: I don't believe anything that Arthur Ream spits out of
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  Speaker 1: his mouth. Because this guy, Arthur Ream, that people are
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  Speaker 1: attaching to Nadine's disappearance, I don't believe him, and I'll
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  Speaker 1: tell you why, because he actually admitted that he had
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  Speaker 1: considered making up fake maps to give to police. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think I think we're now looking at a young
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  Speaker 1: girl who went missing, and we're attributing it to Arthur Ream.
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  Speaker 1: I don't necessarily believe that that's true. Dr Bethany. So
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  Speaker 1: why do you say that the person that took her
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  Speaker 1: is a functioning pedophile? Well, I mean most abductions are
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  Speaker 1: at the hands of non custodial caretakers. Okay, the stereotypical
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  Speaker 1: abduction rape is less than one percent of all children
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  Speaker 1: who go missing. And yet that seems to fall into
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  Speaker 1: this category because no non custodian caretaker has ever been
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  Speaker 1: accused or come back. In other words, you might have
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  Speaker 1: a divorce situation where you know, the father doesn't have custody,
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  Speaker 1: he becomes obsessed with the child, he absconced with the child,
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  Speaker 1: takes the child from the mother, But usually that's a
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  Speaker 1: primary part of the news story. In this case not.
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  Speaker 1: No relatives have been named. She just seemed to have
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  Speaker 1: disappeared into thin air, which tells me she's one of
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  Speaker 1: that one percent of rape, abduction, homicide of children. Where
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  Speaker 1: you do have a predator, and with pedophilia, you know
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  Speaker 1: the the victim is more than five years age difference
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  Speaker 1: between the perpetrator and the victim. The victim is pre pubescent.
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  Speaker 1: Usually the perpetrator has a type. You know, either they're
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  Speaker 1: an extra familial molester. Oh wait a minute, wait a minute,
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  Speaker 1: let me let me talk to you about that the
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  Speaker 1: time type. I remember studying UM when I had my
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  Speaker 1: first serial order that I was prosecuting, and I remember
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  Speaker 1: studying Ted Bundy and um, let me tell you how
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  Speaker 1: this played out. I was looking at all of his victims,
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  Speaker 1: and so many of them were the same look white female,
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  Speaker 1: uh thin thin, long dark hair, and a lot of
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  Speaker 1: their pictures kind of in a half up date like
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  Speaker 1: maybe pull back with pens and then falling down, and
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  Speaker 1: they all looked very, very similar. And the guy I
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  Speaker 1: was prosecuting his victim, who remained a Jane Doe, I
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  Speaker 1: might add, we did a facial reconstruction from what we
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  Speaker 1: could find of her, because she was partially decomposed when
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  Speaker 1: we found her. Can I tell you something, Dr Bethany,
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  Speaker 1: I started, sir. I finally got my eye on a
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  Speaker 1: potential suspect, and I managed to find his ex Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I found his ex girlfriend. She her face looked almost
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  Speaker 1: identical to the sketch artist rendition of what my murder
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  Speaker 1: victim looked. Like. Then I found a rape victim who
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  Speaker 1: said that her rapist put his hands around her neck
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  Speaker 1: and kept saying, I would have pretty neck you have,
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  Speaker 1: I got her, I got her picture. You will never
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  Speaker 1: believe this, Bethany. All three of them were eerily similar.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, I use that my closing argument. I put
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  Speaker 1: up a picture of the girlfriend, the known girlfriend, next
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  Speaker 1: to the graphic sketch the recreation of what the murder
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  Speaker 1: victim would have looked like. And in the end I said,
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  Speaker 1: who would have killed her? Except for the man that
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  Speaker 1: tried to kill her? And I pulled him back and
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  Speaker 1: the jury actually went they look so similar. So when
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  Speaker 1: you say he had a type, I don't know what
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  Speaker 1: that means. I just know what I what I know. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I know it's anecdotal, it's not statistical. So what do
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  Speaker 1: you mean why he has a type? Well, it's not
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  Speaker 1: just the type in terms of what the child looks like,
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  Speaker 1: but it would be the type in terms of the
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  Speaker 1: relationship with the child too, And now I know that,
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  Speaker 1: reams Um. Although he had one situation in which he
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  Speaker 1: abducted a girl with his brother in law, according to
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  Speaker 1: his mother reports, he also liked to um develop relationships
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  Speaker 1: with young girls where he tried to influence or course
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  Speaker 1: or dominate them. So I believe his type would be
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  Speaker 1: a prepubucent girl or even adolescent whom he could control
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  Speaker 1: or had some relationship with. The little girl we're talking
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  Speaker 1: about today. I have not heard any reports that she
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  Speaker 1: has somebody like that in her life. She appeared to
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  Speaker 1: have disappeared into sin air, which tells me that whoever
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  Speaker 1: her perpetrator was or offender, that that was his type.
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  Speaker 1: A little girl who's like away from her family, out
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  Speaker 1: in the world, no social ties that he can tie
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  Speaker 1: her back to where he has her all to himself.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know about appearance because we have to match
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  Speaker 1: it with other little girls. Maybe you have gone missing
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  Speaker 1: in the area. But in this case, it's not just
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  Speaker 1: the type in terms of what she looks like, but
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  Speaker 1: the offending pattern, and that doesn't seem to to match
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  Speaker 1: reams offending pattern. We also know, according to her sister,
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  Speaker 1: that she's a very quiet and withdrawn. We are trying
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  Speaker 1: to find Nadine O'Dell who goes missing a teen girl, beautiful,
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  Speaker 1: to get started. What happened to Nadine O'Dell? A gorgeous, young,
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  Speaker 1: strawberry blonde teen girl, her face covered in strawberry blonde freckles,
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  Speaker 1: a big smile, known to be shy and quiet, was
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  Speaker 1: on the way to a babysitting job on foot when
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  Speaker 1: she goes missing. John Linley, Crime Stories, investigative reporter, what
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  Speaker 1: can you tell me anything specific about the time of
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  Speaker 1: day or year that she went missing? Absolutely, Nancy, You
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  Speaker 1: and Dr Bethany Marshall have been looking at sort of
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  Speaker 1: the profile of of a perpetrator um and if you
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  Speaker 1: look at the times of year that these different cases
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  Speaker 1: that have been possibly linked and in some cases definitely
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  Speaker 1: linked to Arthur Reem, they all seem to take place
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  Speaker 1: during the warmer months, between late spring and late summer
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  Speaker 1: maybe early fall, all at a time when you're more
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  Speaker 1: likely to find people, especially teenagers, out and about and
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  Speaker 1: as we've mentioned, sometimes on foot, going to meet friends
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  Speaker 1: at the dairy queen or going to church. Uh, they're
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: out and more easily accessible. You know, that's that's a
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: big clue, Vincent Hill. Yeah, absolutely, Nancy. Not only that
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: when when it's warmer, you actually can see what your
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: victim uh looks like, you know, with less clothes on.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: This guy apparently likes young women in in the summertime.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: You would assume that they're dressed, possibly in shorts, maybe
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: a short skirt or something like that, so he could
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: actually see what he's getting himself into, you know. To
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Dr Bethany Marshall, l a psychoanalyst, going into the mind
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: of a killer, it's almost like a hunter out looking
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: for their prey. Yeah, they're hunting, and they're hunting from
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: a neutral position, meaning that often these men and very
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: rarely are they women. Usually they live with families. The
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: research shows they drive like a normal family vehicle, like
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: a van or a truck. They usually have a couple
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: of children. Often, like the bt K killer, they work
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: at their local church there like a deacon or something
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: like that. They hold down jobs, so they are hiding
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: in plain sight. But the rape abduction of sending profile
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: is like a compulsion to them. It drives them their
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: their sexuality is not a normal sexuality and that they
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: they want to attach to somebody, but it is their
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: m O. It's their reason for living, it's their reason
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: for being. And usually the compulsion is combined with some
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: some either some kind of sadism, so they want to
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: torture the victim, or if it's just sex without sadism,
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: they end up killing the victim anyway because they don't
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: want the victim to I d them later the victim
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: is completely disposable to them. Well, another thing, I mean
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: just a function of a pragmatic function. To Vincent Hill,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: this would have been a Thursday morning at nine. That
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: tells me this guy was not working at a job
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: where he had to punch in like at a bank, okay,
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: or at Target or a manufacturing plant where he had
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: to be there at eight o'clock in the morning. I
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: would think it was a local to the area where
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: she went missing in Inkster, and that it was somebody
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: that did not have to report to work before. And
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: I mean think it through. Unless he took her home
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: and bound her and gagged her and through her in closet,
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: he disposed of her then, which means he would have
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: been busy murdering up until lunchtime or some time after. Okay.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: So that is the person that got Nadine Odell. Yeah,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: and Nancy, these things happened kind of quick. To your point,
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: he wouldn't have taken her home and just held her
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: there while he went to clock in. So it tells
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: me you're right. He was a local. He probably didn't
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: have a job if if he did, it was an
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: odd job where he didn't at the clock in. Maybe
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: landscaping or something like that. Again, this was during the
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: warmer months of the year, so uh, definitely not somebody
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: that had to be in front of a supervisor or
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: where people would be able to give him an alibi.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: Is Nadine's killer and kidnapper Arthur Riam? I'm not sure
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: I believe that we are now attributing multiple murders to Raam,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: but we know that he plays mind games behind bars,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: trying to trick police, claiming boasting that he's responsible for
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: multiple murders of young girls. But is he claiming he
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: considered creating phony maps and false information to give police?
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: What is he doing? Is he trying to use perceived
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: information to cut a deal to get out of jail early,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: to modify his current sentence in exchange for information. What
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: if that information is fake? Why should I believe a pedophile,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: a killer that takes away focus from finding Medine Odell.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Take a listen to Arthur Reeam in a secretly recorded conversation.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, the obvious question that people will
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: want to know is did you have anything to do
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: with these other cases? Did you know any of these girls?
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: Did you ever meet any of these girls? And not
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: even close, not even a little bit. I've never never
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: had anything to do with any of them. There's there's
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: absolutely dull connection between me and them at all. You know,
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: I only you know other than detective. I'm not the story.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: The detective is the story if you really want to
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: if you want a real story, this detective always the
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: uh families of the six girls. He owes them a
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: big apology for getting their hopes up in this case.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: He owes uh Sydney's family, Sydney's are Ziki's family, a
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: big apology for bringing up bad memories. And he was
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: men apology for drank it is. And he owes the
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: people with Warren an apology presend the kind of money
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: that he did. What Arthur Ream is saying that police
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: owe him and apology. John Limley Crime Stories investigative reporter,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: he's claiming that they owe him an apology? Is that correct?
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: John Limley? More specifically, Reem is saying that police should apologize,
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: should apologize to taxpayers for the money that they spent
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: on the search, and to the families of the missing girls. Um.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: He states that they owe them a big apology for
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: getting their hopes up in the case. Uh. He owes
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Cindy Sarziki's family a huge apology for bringing up bad memories.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: Vincent Hill, did you hear Arthur ream say they the
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: police owe him an apology. I heard that, Nancy. I can't.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: I can't believe it, but yeah, I heard it. I
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: heard it. I thought I heard that correctly owe him
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: an apology. This is a guy with multiple sex attack convictions,
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: one murder conviction. He's saying, cops oh him an apology.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: The first thing I want to address. But he also says,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Cindy Zarzecki's family they found her body, John, Lily, didn't
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: they find her body? Right? They found pieces of her
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: body and they do say. Uh. And the last thing
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: that he Arthur Reem said in this after he talked
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: about that essentially the police owed the world an apology,
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: he says, they owe me an apology for just getting
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: me dragged into this. So Dr Bethany Marshall, he's saying,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: the cops oh him an apology and Cindy Zarziki's family
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: and apology. They because of police found Zarzeki's body. Okay
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: number one, because the police. But then based on things
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Arthur Rain himself said behind bars, they started looking in
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: a general wooded area for the other bodies, including the
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: body um Nadine o'dale, which they did not find. In
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: a nutshell, if if it can be done, Dr Bethany,
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: why would he be so grandiose is to say, cops
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: oh him the killer an apology. You already answered the question.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: It's the grandiose grandiosity of that profile and also lack
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: of victim empathy. Um, he's not, as you said, concerned
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: about the fact that victims have been found. And thirdly,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: he's having his you know, fifteen minutes of fame. I mean,
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: this is quite exciting for him. You know, he has
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: a pulpit. He's going to give his message to the
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: public and um let them know that he knows something
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: the police doesn't know. He's like the holder of what's right,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: the holder of morality, and he's going to demand the apology. Well,
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: one thing that it's doing is clouding the search for Nadine. O'Dell.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: We are listening to an interview that Rain gives the
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: Detroit Free Press. He goes on, this is totally torpedoing
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: the search for Nadine. He looked at the crystal ball
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: or something, and that's when he went by. He didn't
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: he didn't go by anything but the crystal ball. Well,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: he said that you failed a polygraph test. What my
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: detector test? A lie detector? What about it? You failed it?
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: So he says, yeah, when did you take it? I'll
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: take another one if you want. So I'll tell you
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: what happened with that. It's a it's a silly thing,
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: but it had happened, and I didn't think about it
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: till later. Um, when he came up to see me,
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: he took a bunch of my property. And what did
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: he take? We know where? We know, you know where
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: about it are? We want to know blah blah blah,
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: Well we shouldn't. I drew a map I tell him
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: where he was. So I was so mad at this detective.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: I drew I drew some maps up and I was
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: gonna give them to him and let him go do
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: I was just gonna have him go date women. They
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: made someplace. You know that I do well. When when
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: the guy gave me the test, he says, are you
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: gonna be honest about these three? And I said yes,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: In reality, I wasn't gonna be because I was going
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: to give the detective to the maps. So that's probably
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: why I failed it. Now that might not be why,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: but you know that's that's the only reason I could think.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: I'm not a dumb person, and I would have never
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: taken that potograph if I thought there was one chance
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: that I would have failed it. He is grandy. I
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: was talking about how he's not dumb that he thought
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: he was going to fail. But maybe the reason he
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: failed is because he was playing in to give detectives
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: phony maps. Vincent Hill, why should we believe anything this
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: guy has to say because he's planning, as you heard,
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: to have cops go dig quote Willie Nilly. Yeah, we
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: shouldn't believe anything this guy says. I mean, he says
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: the reason he failed the polygraph test is because he
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: knew he was going to lie to the police. So
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, who would even take anything this guy says,
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: not only as to the truth, but as serious you
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: know it. Just mind what about a Dr Bethany. But
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: I think he's actually proud of himself that he lied
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: about one thing rather than another. Remember we were talking
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: recently about the bp K killer and how he bragged
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: in court that he comforted one of his victims before
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: he killed her, and he thought that they would be
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: proud of him, like he deserved a big reward or
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: applause for that. Now now he deserves applause because you know,
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: it's not that he killed somebody. She all he was
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: doing was just giving them fake maps. I mean, isn't
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: that clever? So I think he actually thinks people are
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: going to be amused by him. He goes on to say,
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: to be honest with you, on one hand, I was
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: laughing my A s s off. On the other hand,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: I was piste off. So take it for what it is.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: There's nobodies there that I know of after getting all
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: the families upset. But you know what, I won't say.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Let's listen to Raymond his own words. Do you know
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: everybody else who's buried? No? So the only person I
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: have ever buried in my own life, and I didn't
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: kill nobody in my old lind Okay, I didn't kill
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: anybody in my whole life, And the only person I
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: ever buried was Cindy. Well, Cindy was dead when he
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: buried her. John Limley, Crime Stories investigative reporter. How is
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: he explained what he found her dead and then buried her?
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Isn't it true he lured I think she's about twelve
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: years old. Little Cindy's or ZEKEI. She had a little
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: boyfriend who was rem Son, and he told her that
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: they were planning a surprise birthday party at the local dairy.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: Queen lured her out of the home and then she disappeared.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: She was found buried in that area, in the same
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: little with the same little purse and Mary Jane. She used,
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: So what is his story about how she got there?
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: She just dropped over dad and he buried her. He
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: said that her death was accidental and that the only
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: crime he committed was actually trying to cover up her
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: death by burying her. He is just playing mind games
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: in such an evil way. Vincent Hill, private investigator, What
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: do you think this does to Nadine O'Dell's family? For
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: him to suggest he knows where Nadine's body is, and
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: it's all just a big lie. It's just slapping the
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: face Nancy. I mean, I couldn't imagine being her family
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: after so long of looking for your loved one that
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: this guy's like, yeah, I'm just whatever, just so nonchalant
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: and noncaring about it. It is a total slap in
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: the face to the family. Take a listen, what have
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: you heard about that? Dig Oh? I haven't heard much
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: of my I haven't got my TV back yet. So
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: you know, when they moved, I watched it a couple
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: of times on the TV. Uh. To be honest with John,
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: one hand, I was laughing my ass off, and on
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: the other hand, I was piste off. So you know,
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: you tell it from what it is. You know there
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: there's no bodies here that I know, love, So they
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: they till when it comes a home and I already
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: know what he's gonna say. When they don't find up there.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: That detective is going to turn it out and say, well,
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: we have other studies that we're looking at right now.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: You know, I already know how how this is going
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: to play out. You know what I mean, This detective
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: he's not going to give up, so you know he's
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: just gonna keep on saying, well, yeah, uh, we had
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: other sights, or like when he when he couldn't find
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: anything here? Are you so sure he was gonna find something?
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: This second almost mocking the detectives. And did you hear
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: the part I haven't seen my TV in a few days.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: This guy is sitting back, as he says, laughing his
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: ass off at detectives watching his cable TV. How do
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: you think that makes Nadine O'Dell's family feel. He's watching
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: our coverage. I want to come see him? What would
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: you say? I want to come see him? Because you
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: know what if Needin is here? If Needin is here
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: and I looked like her so much, how does it
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: feel for the dead to look at you in the
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: face you ain't seeing crazy? I'm coming for you to
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: be honest with John, one hand, I was laughing my
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: aunts off, and on the other hand, I was piste off.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: So you know, you tell it from what it is.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: You know that that there's no bodies here that I
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: know of. Dr Anny Marshall, l a psychoanalyst, Dr Bethany.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: In a way it reminds me of hannibal lecture and
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: silence in the lambs. Not that this the killer Arthur
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: Reims anywhere near the the mental capacity of lecture, but
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: the grandiocity, the big man on campus. He's got the knowledge.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: He's walking back and forth to the chow line every day.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: All the other inmates know he's playing the police. He's
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: getting pressed. I mean, he's the man right now, you know, Nancy,
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: what I was listening just now to his voice. He
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: actually I think he fancies himself like a news anchor
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: or a news announcer. He says it like he's delivering
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: the evening news, like you know, he's talking about, you know,
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: what's going to happen with the detectives, and he's making
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: like social comments on whether the resources should have been spent,
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: and you know, looking in that particular place. I think
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: he feels when you see grandiosity, I think he feels
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: that he's calling the shots. He's like calling the game.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: He's like the radio announcer. Um. It's really kind of creepy.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: And he actually believes that people care whether or not
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: he has his TV. That's how grandios he is, Like
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: we care if he has his TV in hisself right
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: now they search for a teen girl who goes missing
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: en route to a babysitting job. She's on foot in Nadine.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: O'Dell has been clouded by known child rapist, known killer
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: Arthur Reem, and now he's sitting grandios behind bars giving interviews.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Here he is speaking to the Detroit Free Press. You
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: have kind of a reputation some of the police others
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: have said that you like to kind of play with people,
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: to mess with their minds and stuff like that. Is
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: that fair or accurate? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, why not?
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: You know, I mean, I don't hurt anybody with it.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't get carried away. That's what I
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: was saying this detective. I was going to give me
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: those those phony maps, you know, But like I said,
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: then I changed my mind. But you know, did you
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: tell anybody you were gonna make phony maps for him,
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: or that you were gonna make mad I didn't say
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: nothing to all about it. Yeah, okay, So to be clear,
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: you never wrote any maps or anything like that. No, No, no,
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: there's Arthur ream I mean John Limley Crime Stories Investigative
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: report of the whole reason police did this intensive dig,
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: this excavation for these missing girls, including Nadin o'dale, was
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: because of what Arthur Reims said exactly. And another contradiction
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: is that while in prison, Reem reportedly told cell mates
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: that he was a serial killer. As we've just heard earlier,
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: he said he hadn't killed anyone. He buried someone, but
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: he said he didn't kill anyone, and he claimed he
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: claimed to this cell mate that he had killed four
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: to six victims. We also know he failed a polygraph test.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, the really, the only hope to Vincent Hill,
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: private an investigator, is that somehow, based on all of
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: these interviews he's giving we're listening right now to one too,
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: he gave to Detroit Free Press, that we can somehow
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: glean the whereabouts if he is connected to the other girls,
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: and hope they're in another jurisdiction, because in Michigan he
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: can kill all the little girls he wants to and
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: never get the death penalty. Yeah, that's right. But the
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: nice thing about this is there's always a clue when
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: every time this guy speaks Nancy, there's always a clue
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: that he's going to release two investigators. Whether he knows
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: it or not. These guys are trained. This is their job.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: To find this information. So let him keep talking because
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: it's going to lead to what we need to know.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: Then let's listen. Warren police said you brabbed about killing
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: full to six people while in prison. Yeah, I'd like
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: to know who I brake to. That true, I've never
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: I've never said that to anybody. Where do you think
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: they could be getting that from? Well, let me put
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: it this way. The two to the detectors from Warren,
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: assuming naturally was came up here, we're not here, but
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: mus Kegan called people off the yard. They don't even
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: know me. I've never talked to in my life, offering
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: a thousand dollars if they could get me to tell
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: them where bodies are. Now, I don't think that was right.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: That that's guys are coming to me and saying, hey,
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  Speaker 1: I got interviewed about you, and I'm saying what, I
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  Speaker 1: don't even know you. But they ever made thousand dollars
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  Speaker 1: if I didn't. He doesn't think that's right. To John Limley,
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories investigative reporter explain how this is going down?
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  Speaker 1: What do you mean? He doesn't think it's right that
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  Speaker 1: police order inmates thousand dollar rewards, if that's even true,
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  Speaker 1: in exchange for verifiable information is to where dead bodies
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  Speaker 1: of little girls are hidden? Why is that wrong? It
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: did that really happen? John Limley? His claim is that
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  Speaker 1: these inmates will they'll say anything to get their hands
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  Speaker 1: on maybe less prison time, to get money. Uh, he's
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: saying it's only in their best interest to make up
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  Speaker 1: a story. Now, he has said repeatedly that he has
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: never killed anyone. Listen to this ridiculous explanation of how
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: little Cindy Zeki died. Detail. Okay, I mean, yeah, was
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  Speaker 1: it my warehouse? They were on some carpet, she fell,
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  Speaker 1: I went backwards down the elevator shoot and died. I'm responsible.
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  Speaker 1: The reason why I'm responsible is because I wired the
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  Speaker 1: gate up. You know, if the gate was down where
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  Speaker 1: it was supposed to be, she would have never fallen,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I'm responsible for her
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  Speaker 1: death because I weared the gate up, you know, so
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: I would have to be up and down, up and down.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: But why did she go to your warehouse? I mean
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  Speaker 1: she was going to the dairy queen, I thought, because
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  Speaker 1: that's where that's our day whole time. That was my
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  Speaker 1: son's girlfriend. So you're saying Stott was there at the
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  Speaker 1: time too, right, I wasn't there, you know, So then
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: you got to read the paper. I don't have the paper.
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  Speaker 1: That's why I have to ask you. Sorry. So then
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  Speaker 1: he uh so, now she she falls down, there, she dies,
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  Speaker 1: then you come and try to clean up the mess.
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  Speaker 1: Is that? Is that what happened? He called me instead
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  Speaker 1: of nine one one. I was here to call nine
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  Speaker 1: one one to tell me, but you know me, I
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  Speaker 1: fix everything, So you know, he called me instead. So
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: I get there. I could see she was dead right
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: from the get you know, he's screaming. I mean, I
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: don't know what to do. I just started my business,
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: you know, it's just it's just started going good. I
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: got no insurance, you know, on on nothing. But so
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: I panicked. Now I panicked, he's panicked, you know, so
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: what to do? What to do? And I ended up
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  Speaker 1: making the decision that I made. It was probably the
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: worst decision I ever made my life, but I made it.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: And here I am so what she so this idea
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  Speaker 1: that she was raped before she was killed? Is that
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: is that? Fall? No? I mean, where did you get
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: that from? Where put that out there? You know? The
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: prosecutor of the out there. You know that's for a show.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: Everything everything is for show, you know, saying like I'm saying,
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: you can't sell a newspapers, don't make it me look
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  Speaker 1: a bad guy. Is it possible? Everybody wants what's worth.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: They don't want to know that Sydney died accidentally. It
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: would have never made the newspaper. You know, they want,
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: they want sensession with them, they want they want at all.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: So why do you think they've come back to you?
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: Why do you think they targeted you with these with
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: these additional murders. You have to ask a guy from Warren,
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, I just don't understand it myself.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: You know where he where he comes off thinking that
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: I killed those six girls behind the genius, you know,
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: thirty year old cases. In one way, he's got to
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: get a Nobel peace price. You are listening to convicted
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: killer behind bars, Arthur Reem, who was apparently the leading
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: place on a wild goose chase in the search for
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: the body, among others, of Nadine O'Dell, muddying the water
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: in her investigation the Search for Nadine. Let me ask
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: you this to Bethany Marshall, do you notice when he's
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: coming up with a story about how Cindy Zarzeki fell
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  Speaker 1: down an elevator shaft and died, as opposed to earlier
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: when he was speaking so rapidly and so full of
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: piss and vinegar. Now he pauses as he's trying to
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: come up with the story. You know, I could notice that,
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: and he's pretending to be thoughtful, like he's actually offering
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: people something. You know, Nancy, criminals are such children, their babies.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: They're very childlike in their behavior. And I don't know
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: if you notice. Remember when um Lucy and John David
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: were really little, they would do one tiny little thing
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: for you and they would act like they've done so much.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: And that's appropriate for children, Like they might bring you
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: a Mother's Day card and they feel like, you know,
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: they have just given you the world, or they might
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: pick up a dish from the table and they feel
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: like they've they're so proud of themselves, almost as if
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: they've cleaned the entire house. Well, that's appropriate for children
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: at that developmental age. But sociat paths will drop tiny
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: little bits of information and then they feel like they've
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: helped others so much. They've been so wonderful. They they
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: deserve all this praise. So I think the way he's
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: telling the story, he's really quite proud of himself, like
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: he's entertaining people, helping people, like he's he's he's really
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: the the boss. There was the big man, like you
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: said earlier. You know, I also notice, and I guess
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: this is common, Vincent Hill. We've dealt with so many criminals.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: He blames everybody else. First of all, he's blaming the
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: investigators and actually he says, quote laughing my ass off,
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: and he blames them, saying they've they've dragged me in
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: on this thing. Well, I guess so. Then he blames
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: the inmates for speaking to the police, and he blames
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: police for offering rewards for information about where the little
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: girl's bodies are hidden. Then he blames his own son, Okay,
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: for not calling nine on one and calling him. He
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: blames everybody else but himself. Vincent, is that common amongst
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: died in the Wold criminals? It's so common. But know,
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: there's this word that's been out for quite a while now.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: It's called evidence. And these police didn't just stumble upon
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: this guy and just make this story up. You heard
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: he said they wanted to do it because people like sensation. Well, yes,
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: people like sensation, but police, we like evidence, and the
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: evidence points to him. That's why they're focused on him.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: And is it true, John Limley Crime Stories investigative reporter
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: that police are now searching other areas for Nadine and
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: other bodies. That is the truth. They have moved on
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: from that original search area after not finding any more
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: evidence that there are more bodies in that area. They
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: have not named the exact areas for obvious reasons, but
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: they have now expanded their search. Well, Arthur ream is
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: taking focus away from finding Nadine O'Dell, but one person
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: remains focused on finding her. Listen to the final chapter
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: and I know what. We keeps saying that too, but
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: it is this across it. I keep saying this, and
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: on one day she was there. Unless this she was gone.
• 50:11
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• 50:21
  Speaker 1: Nadine O'Dell goes on. Nancy Grace Crime Stories signing off,
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