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Ep. 125 : AL West Preview With Sam Wirsching · Cards & Categories

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome everybody to episode one twenty five of
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  Speaker 1: Cards and Categories. I'm my Cool Egg from Rasball, joined
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  Speaker 1: as always by my very good friend Jeremy Brewer, also
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  Speaker 1: from Rasball.
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  Speaker 2: How are you doing tonight, buddy, Hanging in there, hanging
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  Speaker 2: in there and joining life ready talks from baseball though,
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  Speaker 2: that's for sure, it's been a week since we've talked that.
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  Speaker 2: I've been looking forward to the whole time. I'm just
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  Speaker 2: absolutely loving our breakdowns, all the visions this year, having
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  Speaker 2: a blast with all of our guests. But we've got
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  Speaker 2: some stuff to talk about first before we get there,
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  Speaker 2: and I'll let you better lead with who we've got
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  Speaker 2: joined us today.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I mean we are gonna be doing the
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  Speaker 1: Al West this week. We're gonna be joined once again
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  Speaker 1: by Sam Wishing, one of the biggest Seattle Mariners fans
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  Speaker 1: I know, I mean, actually of the ones I know personally.
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  Speaker 1: He's the b I guess, so I guess I'll give
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  Speaker 1: them credit for that. But it's a we have a
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  Speaker 1: great preview of the Al West coming up. Lots of
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  Speaker 1: fantastic kind of tidbits that we've got throughout that discussion,
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  Speaker 1: as well as I think exciting buys and cells across
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  Speaker 1: the board in the Al West, lots of very different
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  Speaker 1: teams going different directions, and that opens up lots of
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  Speaker 1: different opportunities for our fantasy game. So we are speaking
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  Speaker 1: on February fourth. We're just got the Super Bowl right
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  Speaker 1: around the corner. But that also means that we've got
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  Speaker 1: pictures and catchers and the heart of fantasy drafting season right.
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  Speaker 3: Around the corner as well.
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  Speaker 1: So with all that, let's get into these news and notes,
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  Speaker 1: because we just have a handful. Like we discussed last week,
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  Speaker 1: things are really slow into crawl as people really gear
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  Speaker 1: up and prep for spring training and kind of get
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  Speaker 1: everything set up and not focusing quite as much on
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  Speaker 1: the transactions. But still had a handful, including one that
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  Speaker 1: broke literally like right before we started recording tonight fromber
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  Speaker 1: Valdez from the formerly the Houston Astros. South Paus signing
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  Speaker 1: with the Detroit Tigers three years, one hundred and fifteen
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  Speaker 1: million dollars to join the Tigers. A big signing for
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  Speaker 1: Detroit after it's been a pretty low key offseason, even
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  Speaker 1: though you know they had Torres and Finnegan sign those
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  Speaker 1: were both returnees. Ken Lee Jansen joined the fold. And
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  Speaker 1: there's also a bit of news today that, like the
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  Speaker 1: Tiger said Kenley, Jansen is the closer. So we had
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  Speaker 1: been speculating that I think you can lock and load
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  Speaker 1: that for Jansen throughout twenty twenty six. Now it's gonna
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  Speaker 1: shoot his draft price, I think.
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  Speaker 3: Up a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: But let's get back to Framber Valdez. It was another
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  Speaker 1: Framber year, I would say, just overall last year, thirteen
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  Speaker 1: and eleven record with those astros out over one hundred
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  Speaker 1: and ninety two innings, just under one strikeout per inning,
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  Speaker 1: a three sixty six YRA. But I mean the fip
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  Speaker 1: was right in the wheelhouse of where he's always at
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  Speaker 1: in the mid threes, at three three, and the whip
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  Speaker 1: also kind of backed up on him a little bit
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  Speaker 1: because of that difference between his fipp and ra.
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  Speaker 3: It was a one twenty four whip, But you look
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  Speaker 3: at it was a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he's always been a very low batting average guy,
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  Speaker 1: and it was a little anomalist last year.
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  Speaker 3: The babbit creeped up a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: You do almost kind of wonder if like that's Jose
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  Speaker 1: Altuvey's age and action for him, But it's a great
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  Speaker 1: landing spot. I think in Detroit for Framber here al
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  Speaker 1: Central Detroit Tigers great home ballpark plays cold as hell
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  Speaker 1: for like the first two months, So I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if you could have asked for a better landing spot.
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  Speaker 1: But he also entered this free agency period with a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of like a question mark on his profile,
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  Speaker 1: just given that strained cross up with his catcher in
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  Speaker 1: September where there was a grand Slam that he gave
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  Speaker 1: up and then he just like pegged his catcher right
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  Speaker 1: in the chest. That it was the talk when that
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  Speaker 1: happened all throughout the league, and you wonder, you know,
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  Speaker 1: so how that impacted his free agency because this is
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  Speaker 1: probably a little bit less than most people were pegging
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  Speaker 1: him for. But what do you think about Farander Valdez
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  Speaker 1: joining the Tigers and what it could mean for his
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty sixth season.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you hit pretty much on the head.
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  Speaker 2: Like he has been consistent is all get out for
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  Speaker 2: the last four years. We're talking to guys pretty much
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  Speaker 2: a two hundred inning guy right on the border of that,
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  Speaker 2: pretty much a strikeout for inning. You know, we're talking
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  Speaker 2: about a three to three and a half era. He's
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  Speaker 2: gonna be a groundball artist. He's gonna keep it on
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  Speaker 2: the ground. Like there's a lot of things to like here.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's a great landing spot in Detroit. So
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  Speaker 2: I think you can kind of basically look at the
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  Speaker 2: last few years, just turn it around, lock and load,
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  Speaker 2: and move forward. He is going kind of towards a
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  Speaker 2: later part of the one top one hundred picks this year,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, I think that he might get a
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  Speaker 2: little bit boost after this. This call was right in
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  Speaker 2: the kind of like Noel McLain Sinster Strider, Brandon Woodriff,
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  Speaker 2: Chase Burns type area. And it feels like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: Valdez is probably the safest pick in that range. Maybe
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  Speaker 2: not the highest up side, but I mean, he's just
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  Speaker 2: he's gonna deliver, he's gonna be healthy, he's gonna do
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  Speaker 2: all those things for you, so you gotta like it.
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  Speaker 4: Overall.
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  Speaker 3: I think you're right.
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  Speaker 2: There's some new questions in the clubhouse quality. So it
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  Speaker 2: depends how you construct your fancy rosters. If you care
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  Speaker 2: about those clubhouse dynamics, you probably shouldn't, but if you do,
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  Speaker 2: hey power to you. So good landing spot for Valdez
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  Speaker 2: probably gonna booses draft price a little bit here, but
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  Speaker 2: still it's gonna be a solid, solid pick.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think it's probably gonna move him up,
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  Speaker 1: probably right around like pick eighty. You've got like Kyle Bradish,
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  Speaker 1: Dylan c he's a Sozarto Blake Snell being being drafted.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's probably where Valdez will settle now that
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  Speaker 1: we know that he's in Detroit, and it's a really
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  Speaker 1: good landing spot for him that you can pretty much
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  Speaker 1: set and forget a mid three Zra out of one
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  Speaker 1: one five ish whip and a solid team one strikeout
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  Speaker 1: burn inning.
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  Speaker 3: And the winds will be there.
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  Speaker 1: So it's a it's a nice spot if you did
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  Speaker 1: take an early dart on Valdez before.
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  Speaker 3: You knew the landing spot.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, well, we've got a trade that is the next
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  Speaker 1: major piece of news, and then it involves our Saint
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  Speaker 1: Louis Cardinals and one of our favorites, Brendan Donovan. He's
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  Speaker 1: being sent to the Seattle Mariners. In exchange, the Cardinals
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  Speaker 1: are getting back Durangelo Singente and ty Pete from the Mariners.
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  Speaker 1: The Rays butted in here to be able to complete
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  Speaker 1: this and make this a three way trade.
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  Speaker 3: They said, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: When when it first broke, everybody on social media is like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: the Ray's are about to pull William Contreras and butt
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  Speaker 1: in the way that the Brewers got into the middle
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  Speaker 1: of the trade to get conturroists that like, uh, there
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  Speaker 1: was worry that the Rays would come in and walk
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  Speaker 1: away with one of the Cardinals catchers.
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  Speaker 3: They did not.
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  Speaker 1: They walked away with Ben Williamson from the Mariners, gave
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  Speaker 1: up Colton Ledbetter and a competitive balance b pick, so
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  Speaker 1: Ledbetter goes to the Cardinals, the Mariners get Brandon Donovan.
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  Speaker 1: Let's start with the Brendan Donovan side of this has
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  Speaker 1: been a pretty steady, like two to eighty hitter play
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  Speaker 1: around the diamond. Was a little more banged up last year,
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  Speaker 1: but has been, you know, a solid kind of m
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  Speaker 1: I second base option. I think in fantasy any change.
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  Speaker 1: You've seen this profile going to Seattle. We know it's
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  Speaker 1: kind of a tough place to hit, But we talked
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  Speaker 1: about this a little bit last year. It seems that
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  Speaker 1: the Mariners put something together with that hitting coach in
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  Speaker 1: Edgar Martinez and trying to find a way around some
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  Speaker 1: of the peculiarities there and it showed in the stats
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  Speaker 1: for the Marriners. So what do you think about Donovan
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  Speaker 1: landing in Seattle? Yeah, I mean Saint Louis was the
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  Speaker 1: best ballpark. Seattle's not the best ballpark. So I think
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  Speaker 1: it's gonna be relatively neutral. Better lineup, and you have
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  Speaker 1: talked about.
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  Speaker 3: I think Sat.
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  Speaker 2: Louis Lam's gonna surprise some folks, but overall the Seattle
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  Speaker 2: is gonna have a better light up there.
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  Speaker 3: You know, Donovan is is definitely the.
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  Speaker 2: Epitome of the better real world ballplayer than a fantasy player.
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  Speaker 3: There's no question about that.
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  Speaker 2: His versatility, you know, if you want to call it,
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  Speaker 2: clutch hitting, things like that, and there's all the metrics
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  Speaker 2: that like say and that that's not really a thing.
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  Speaker 2: That's that's superndana is and he's gonna be a jolt
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  Speaker 2: to that to that team. They're gonna love him. There's
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  Speaker 2: there's no question about it. You know, gold Glover, this
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  Speaker 2: guy could, this guy is gonna be good. From a
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  Speaker 2: fancy perspective, I think his value is probably neutral. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: he's going off the draft board pretty late, uh to
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  Speaker 2: eighty h pick in there somewhere, And to your point,
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  Speaker 2: he's gonna be that kind of middle endfield. He's a
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  Speaker 2: guy I really like, really at the end of the drafts,
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  Speaker 2: and you can plug him in a lot of different spots,
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  Speaker 2: especially if you were trying to fill out a bench
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  Speaker 2: and give yourself some flexibility if somebody gets hurt, Britten
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  Speaker 2: Donovan is your guy because he's probably got eligibility all
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  Speaker 2: over the place. Who knows exactly what Seatle's gonna do
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  Speaker 2: with him. You know, they're probably gonna give him the mostly
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  Speaker 2: run at second, but hey, he had second, third, short
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  Speaker 2: and outfield last year in first as well. If you're
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  Speaker 2: sitting at kind of a five game minimum, he has
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  Speaker 2: all kinds of eligibility if you if you bump that
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  Speaker 2: up to ten, it gets pretty thin pretty quick because
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  Speaker 2: he's played mostly you know, in a little bit in
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  Speaker 2: the outfield. But yeah, I think his value is relatively neutral.
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  Speaker 2: But he's gonna be a lot of fantasy rosters just
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  Speaker 2: kind of rounding things out because of that versatility.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think he'll be playing third for
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  Speaker 1: the Mariners is where he's probably still right right well,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I mean it's because it's Colt Young there
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  Speaker 1: at second, But what it also does for the Mariners.
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  Speaker 1: It gives them flexibility because Colt Emerson, the other cult
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  Speaker 1: is hanging out in the wings and had a great
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  Speaker 1: season last year, but is a short stop. But I
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  Speaker 1: don't think he's gonna overtake JP Crawford just because Crawford's
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  Speaker 1: so goot the glove. But this does give them a
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  Speaker 1: little more flexibility because I think, uh, at least from
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  Speaker 1: what I've read in prospect of reports, it seems like
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  Speaker 1: Emerson would be better served to play third base than
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  Speaker 1: Cold Young is. And so if Colt Emerson brings it,
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  Speaker 1: I guess it's Cold Young and Colt is Young and
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  Speaker 1: all these caids and like all these other names coming
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  Speaker 1: through these gen z sorts. But between Emerson and Young,
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  Speaker 1: whoever wins that job out of the spring, it dictates
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  Speaker 1: I think where Donovan plays. Donovan plays second. If Emerson
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  Speaker 1: wins the job, he plays third. If Young wins the job,
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  Speaker 1: So something to watch. But let's get into the cardinal
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  Speaker 1: side of this, because this is a trio of prospects
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  Speaker 1: that is pretty exciting I think for Saint Louis. First,
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  Speaker 1: Let's let's start with Darangelo Singente was probably the most
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  Speaker 1: well known prospect that came back. He was a first
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  Speaker 1: round pick for the Mariners in twenty twenty four. Is
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  Speaker 1: a switch pitcher out of Mississippi State, but is better
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  Speaker 1: from the right side than the left side. The Cardinals
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  Speaker 1: right now aren't totally sure what they're going to do
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  Speaker 1: with him going forward, because you could take a lot
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  Speaker 1: of different paths with Singente. He's coming off of a
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  Speaker 1: year in twenty twenty five across high A and double A,
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  Speaker 1: A three nine nine ERA with a four to eighty
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  Speaker 1: six fit mostly because the walks are a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of an issue for him, but electric fastball from the
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  Speaker 1: right side, he's going to be I think a very
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  Speaker 1: intriguing arm to watch to see what the Cardinals do
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  Speaker 1: with him. Type is an intriguing player. Was a comp
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  Speaker 1: pick back in twenty twenty three, very raw, very young.
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  Speaker 1: Put up only a seventy nine WRC plus and a
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  Speaker 1: ball eight high A ball last year, but it was
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  Speaker 1: as a nineteen year old with nineteen homers and twenty
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  Speaker 1: five stone bases. Then we get on to the addition
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  Speaker 1: from the Rays, who was Colton Ledbetter. This was my
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  Speaker 1: pick to click for twenty twenty five from the Rays
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  Speaker 1: when we were doing our previews back in you know
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  Speaker 1: this time last year, solid season at Double A as
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  Speaker 1: a twenty three year old, seven homers, thirty seven stolen bases,
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  Speaker 1: a one to twelve WRC plus was a second round
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  Speaker 1: pick out of Mississippi State. I actually didn't know that
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  Speaker 1: teammates which Rangel Singente back in the day, So that's
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  Speaker 1: kind of cool bringing them back together. What do you
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  Speaker 1: think about these prospects coming back from the Cardinals and
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  Speaker 1: any up arrows you're giving to them because.
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  Speaker 3: Of they're joining a different system in Saint Louis. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I think you have to look at all
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  Speaker 3: like him.
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  Speaker 2: Bloom's doing, first of all, a fantastic job, of my opinion,
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  Speaker 2: and he's taking high risk, high reward guys here. That's
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  Speaker 2: what that's almost all these guys are. Maybe leed Better
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  Speaker 2: got a little bit more of a floor than a ceiling.
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  Speaker 2: At the end of the day, I think Sagente is
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  Speaker 2: the guy here that you're really excited about because he
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  Speaker 2: really could do something specially just kind of figure out
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  Speaker 2: what they want to do with him. But at the
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  Speaker 2: same time, I'm also excited like they got two pretty
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  Speaker 2: high draft picks added two and a half millions to
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  Speaker 2: the draft pool. Like, there's just they got a lot
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  Speaker 2: of value out of Donovan here, and I think they
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  Speaker 2: were going for volume and upside, and I think.
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  Speaker 3: I think they got it.
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  Speaker 2: So there's not a single guy I'm gonna call out substantially,
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  Speaker 2: but I like the deal across the board.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, well, let's get on to our next move. And
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  Speaker 1: we've got third basement Ajohnio Suarez rejoining those Cincinnati Reds
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  Speaker 1: on a one year, fifteen million dollar deal.
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  Speaker 4: Ooh.
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  Speaker 1: There is an option though for next year for making
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  Speaker 1: a two year deal mutual option. But I don't know
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  Speaker 1: the last time we've seen a mutual option get accepted
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  Speaker 1: that Usually when it's a when it's a player option
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  Speaker 1: or mutual option, they are actually team option. Mutual option.
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  Speaker 1: Those are relatively rare. So what we've got here in
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  Speaker 1: Suarez coming off of a.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if you could fully call it a
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  Speaker 3: career here. It was up there.
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  Speaker 1: He matched his career high with forty nine homers, set
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  Speaker 1: a high with one hundred and eighteen RBI with the
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  Speaker 1: d Backs and Mariners last year, but only hit two
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  Speaker 1: twenty eight one five WRC plus at the end of
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  Speaker 1: the day. And I mean I think the batting average
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  Speaker 1: here is the biggest question mark, because we've seen very
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  Speaker 1: high high as au Suarez when he was in Cincinnati.
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  Speaker 1: I mean it was almost a decade ago at this point,
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  Speaker 1: you know, when he put up that twenty eighteen season
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  Speaker 1: with thirty four homers, one hundred and four RBA, two
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  Speaker 1: eighty three batting average, a one to thirty five WRC
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  Speaker 1: plus and so the strikeouts have gone up since then.
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  Speaker 1: The batting average has come down, but the power is
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  Speaker 1: ticked up, I think. And he's done it in some
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  Speaker 1: tough ballparks in Seattle, and you know, he looked great
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  Speaker 1: last year. Probably couldn't have asked for a much better
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  Speaker 1: landing spot than Cincinnati for Suarez, who should walk in
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  Speaker 1: and be the everyday d d H for the Reds
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  Speaker 1: and hit clean up for that team. So what do
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  Speaker 1: you think about Suarez with the Reds? And where's he
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  Speaker 1: for you in the mix of top one hundred hitters
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  Speaker 1: and third base overall?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think this, You're right, there could have been
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  Speaker 2: a better landing spot for surez here legit threat for
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  Speaker 2: fifty homers. He's gonna be in a good lineup. The
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  Speaker 2: average is gonna be pretty bad. I think we all
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  Speaker 2: know what we're getting with Yourez here third base landscape,
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  Speaker 2: it's it's it's rough, like it's definitely got got some minefields,
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  Speaker 2: like almost, I mean we'll ignore like the top guys
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  Speaker 2: like Koziermuro Junior came in arrow, but then he just
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  Speaker 2: got going down the list and everybody's got like a
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  Speaker 2: little question mark. Jazz Chisholm's always got question marks, made
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  Speaker 2: a shadows. He's getting up there in age Austin Riley
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  Speaker 2: coming off year after year of like, uh is this
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  Speaker 2: gonna what's he gonna actually do here? Like you just
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  Speaker 2: go down the list as Wars is the ninth third
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  Speaker 2: basement off the board, right ahead of Novelli, Marte, his
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  Speaker 2: teammate Matt Chapman, Royce Lewis.
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  Speaker 3: Those kind of guys.
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  Speaker 2: So I think he's a pretty good value right now,
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  Speaker 2: especially depending on how you draft early. You have to
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  Speaker 2: have a little bit of average in the bag to
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  Speaker 2: make it happen. But I think he's got a generally
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  Speaker 2: up arrow based on this signing, and I think it's
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  Speaker 2: gonna actually help the line up around him as well.
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  Speaker 2: So I really like this. I think he's gonna be
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  Speaker 2: moving on my draft boards. From the top one hundred perspective,
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  Speaker 2: he's probably in the probably third quarter. It's probably where
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  Speaker 2: he's gonna land at this point, if that's a fair
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  Speaker 2: way to look at it. So that's between fifteen and
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  Speaker 2: seventy five of the top one hundred hitters, and I
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  Speaker 2: think that's probably about where he's gonna settle just because
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  Speaker 2: of the bad and average penalty.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's all. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Last transaction we have is Lsa Rise signing in San
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  Speaker 1: Francisco to be the everyday second baseman coming off of
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  Speaker 1: a interesting year, I would say, because the strikeout rate
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: really was otherworldly. It was a three point one percent
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: strikeout rate, but it also felt clownish because it seemed
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: like that's all Luisa Rise was trying to do last
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: year for the Padres.
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: It was a one o four.
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: WRC plus two ninety two three twenty seven, three ninety
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: two slash line, eight homers and eleven stolen bases, sixty
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: six runs and sixty one RBI. So all the things
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: that we were saying last year on this podcast that
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, if there's anybody that's maybe a dog of
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: the podcast, that's probably Luisa Rise. They all kind of
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: came to fruition last year and even hurt more because
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: the batting average wasn't even elite elite, you know, I
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: could almost sometimes get myself into a rise when he
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: was up in like the three twenty three thirds pretty range,
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: But if it's gonna be hovering around three hundred, it's
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: just not enough above the rest of the league to
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: be valuable.
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: Now going to a tough.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: Place to hit in San Francisco, but I mean he
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: hits well. Hits is in quotes because like he puts
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: the bat on the ball, and so he did that
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: a lot last year, and it'll be interesting to see
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: what the Giants do with that, because, like I was saying,
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: last year, it looked like Luis Rise in lots of
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: played appearances, was going up and just trying not to
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: strike out as opposed to trying to get a hit
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: and there that's a very different approach. And so I
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: think it's going to be interesting what he can do
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: on this one year deal with the Giants, because it
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: is kind of put up or shut up time for
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: a Rise, because I don't get this sense there was
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: a ton of interest in him because it's a tough
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: player to roster in today's day and age. When he's
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: not great in the field, he's actually really really poor
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: in the field. And if he's not actually using the
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: back toball skills to knock singles, he's kind of taking
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: his only skill away. So, uh, I know you're always
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: anti Luis Arise, but I'll take your your take here.
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: On what is signing with the Giants could maybe be Yeah.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: I would say there there might not have been a
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: worse spot for Verias's side, maybe like Boston or somewhere
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: like that, where like the ballpark divsion is even worse
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: for the guy who can only cooking out to right
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: field there. Texas is maybe like the worst Texas maybe,
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: but just San Francisco. If you look at last year
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: he had eight homers moved to San Francisco have been four,
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: Like ball doesn't travel well there, Like I like, I
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: don't know, this is like where you pull the outfielder
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: into the infield type scenario like this, I don't think
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: this is good for Luis Araya's It's he's aging fast.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: Like I at some point you're gonna look at like,
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: too eighty hitter here that's gonna hit three homers. He
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: did steal left and bases last year. I don't expect
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: that to continue. He's ever been really an efficient base steeler.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: He's actually incredibly slow, and he got caught. He's got
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: caught quite a few times in his career generally going
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: except for the last two years, he's like a fifty
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: percent successful base steeler. So, like, I just think the
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: steels are gone because San Francis was not not a
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: team that likes to run a lot, so that's not
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: gonna happen. So we're looking at the guy here that
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: might hit like two homers, steal three bases and hit
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: two eighty Like that's bad. Like, I don't think there's
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: any other way around it. So Louiseiriahs is undraftable in
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: my opinion. Clearly, I might be an island. If you
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: look at the ADP because he's going at two eighty five,
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: people are drafting him thinking maybe he'll get a three
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: thirty average or something like that. It is pretty low,
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: but it's still way too high for Louise Aria's I'm sorry,
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: give me Bryce Eldridge on the same team one hundred
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: picks later. There's a lot of a lot of better
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: options there. So we've talked about him any times in
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: this podcast. My opinion has not changed.
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: Okay, I think that's all very fair.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: All right, Well, let's get into a little bit of
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: the updates on the release calendar for those baseball card sets.
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: They did push back TOPS Pristine.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: We're speaking again on February fourth here, and it was
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: supposed to be Top to Pristine this week, but you know,
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: nothing going on next week, Let's just push it in
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: next week, right, So next week is going to be
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: a bananas week of releases between not only Top Series one,
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: but TOPS is also rolling out the MVP collection of
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: Otani and Judge cards, Pristine and Guild. They're pushing out
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: TOPS Museum collection this week. Friday is supposed to be
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: when it's coming up, and then in a couple of
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: weeks agot Top Stadium Club. We will have a bigger
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: podcast on the release of Top Series one next week,
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: because it is significant and major enough that like it's
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: gonna warrant its own show in the midst of all
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: these previews that we're doing, and so check that out
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: when it drops next week.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: But otherwise I think we'll.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: Take that pod to save all of our takes on
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: Top Series one and some baseball cards, because, like I said,
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: we're getting into the prime of fantasy baseball season. It
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: is February, We've got the Super Bowl, then after that
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: we've got fantasy baseball galore. So let's take a break
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: and we'll be right back to talk about the Ale
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: West preview with Sam Wishing stick around everybody. All right,
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: welcome back, everybody. We're gonna do our preview of the
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Al West. And you know what, whenever I think about
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: the Ale West, well, first I think about the great
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Seattle Mariners who just put on a show in twenty
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: twenty five, and after that, I think about everybody's favorite
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: game show host out there, Fantasy Land. Sam Worshing joining
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: us again from the Palaza Podcast from Dynasty.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: Guru to preview the Ale Left. How you doing tonight, Buddy.
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: Man, I'm living large.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: Man.
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: I woke up today, so I'm winning. It's been a
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: great day for me, So I'm ready to talk some baseball.
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: I'm ready to get into this. This has been too
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: long without actionable data. I miss the smell of the
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: grass and having the sun beat on my face for
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: afternoon games or that night chill that you get when
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: you're watching the game under the lights, like I can't wait,
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: and you know, I am in Seattle, so I'm really
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: excited about another sport and another game that's going to
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: happen this weekend. But I still can't stop thinking about baseball.
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: I'm not wearing my Seahawks stuff. I'm still wearing my
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: Mariner stuff. You can't see it because it's audio. But
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: I've got this awesome Wu Tang slash Brian WU Crossover
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: T shirt I've been wearing all day. So I'm just ready.
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: I'm hyped.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: Yes, I am too.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: I mean we're starting to get fuzzy photos people reporting
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: to their spring training facilities. So it is just around
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: the bend. It is the first week of February, so
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, this is when things really start kicking off.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: And Sam, let everybody know where they can reach you
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: on socials and you know, read your work. I obviously
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: introduced you from the Plaza podcast and Dynasty Guru, but
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: anything else you want to plug.
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: No other than Cause and Trouble with you guys at
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: First Pitch doing Fantasy Feud down there. You can catch
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: me podcasting with Palazzo Podcast and it's been a little
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: bit since I've written an article, but I've got old
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: write ups on the Dynasty Guru that you can look
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: up and make fun of. You can also follow me
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: on Blue Sky at sam FBB one.
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: Excellent.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: All right, well, let's just get right into the Ale
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: West here, and so we're going to run it through alphabetically,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: starting with city name, just the way that I sort
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: my baseball cards. So that's the way we're going to
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: go here. And I think the Al West is one
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: of my favorite because it's got such a late start.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: On the alphabet. For their first team.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: We're talking, of course, of the Houston Astros that they
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: are coming off missing the playoffs, so the first time
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: and quite a little bit, going eighty seven and seventy
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: five last year, and it was a team that was
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: certainly in flux, although also brought back some pieces. Carlos
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: Correa rejoined them at the trade deadline, but at the
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: same time they've just lost for Emver Valdez. That breaking
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: news right before we hit record on this he signed
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: with the Tigers.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: So Valdez is going to be finding.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: A new home here, and it allowed them to be
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: able to debut Cam Smith.
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: A lot last year.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: Obviously they were fighting at yard on Alvarez injury again
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five, but Hunter Brown looked fantastic and
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: they've added to that rotation by signing Tatsuya Emi from NPB,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: who should be I mean, Ruster Resource has him as
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: the third starter behind Christian Javier, but I think he's
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: probably going to be a pretty solid number two behind
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Hunter Brown there in Houston. So I don't know if
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: there's anybody on this podcast that doesn't like hold some
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: angst against the Astros. Between Jeremy and I being Saint
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Louis Cardinals fans, and honestly, I grew up kind of
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: hating the Astros more even than the Cubs, just because
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: they're so annoying, and then you get all the banging
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: scheme and Al West rivalry with the Mariners.
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: So I don't know if we're going.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: To have tons of complimentary things to say, but it
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: is a different regime here from what we've seen in
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: the past two years. We're going to do one by
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: onesell from every team, starting with Houston. Sam as the guest,
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: you get to do the buy first who you buy
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: in from the Astors.
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: Well, I appreciate that and you know, I want to
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: say really quickly that as much as the Astros are
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: the team that everybody in the American League seems to vilify,
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: if it's not the Yankees, I actually have a lot
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: of respect for that organization. They've won for a long time.
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: They built that club well, they had to trade it
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: off talent from their miners to keep that major league
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: machine rolling, and so I have a lot of respect
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: for it. I'm hopeful that this is the end of
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: that Astros iteration and we are seeing the downfall and
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: hopefully a small rebuild for a couple of years for them.
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: So I, you know, going into this thinking about it,
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: and really, you know, I was you'd sent out a
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: link for NFBC ADP data for this to say who's
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: the buye, who's the selling There's a lot of talent
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: on that Houston Astros broster, but I think the buye
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: is at average pick one seventy four. Ami. He is
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: just Everything that I saw when he was over in
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: Japan was just electric. He pitches innings. He's got a
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: really nice pitch mix, and Houston seems to get more
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: out of their pitchers than some clubs. They really do
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: a good job of developing talent and bringing that talent
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: to the front. You say, Kakuchi when he came there
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: a couple of years ago, turned a corner. He didn't
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: seem to be able to get through the first couple
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: innings without having problems. And his time in Houston he
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: did a lot better than anywhere else. And there's other examples. Obviously,
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: they had a fully homegrown rotation a couple of years
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: ago that pitched for him all year. And so, you know,
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: I'm excited to see what Ama does. And I think
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: at pick one seventy four, you're getting a heck of
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: a steal, you know, because that's the twelfth round. And
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: I think that he's, like you said, I think that
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: he's the number three starter right now for Houston according
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: to roster resource. But what a great number three to have.
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: He really probably is going to be an SP two.
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: I don't think he's going to be the pitcher Hunter
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: Brown is. I think Hunter Brown's floor is a lot higher,
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: and obviously that's reflected in his ADP. He's also been
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: really consistent since he struggled at the beginning of twenty
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: four and so I understand people, you know, he is
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: their ace. He is that dog in the fight for them.
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: But I really like my so.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: I think you're you're preaching to the choir here. We've
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: been big fans of my all off season.
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: Brew.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: I know you've been especially into him based on what
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: he's shown you in Japan. And I mean, I think
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: this is also a great case where I do fiddle
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: with the projections on some certain players, and is I
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: think the number one right now because most projections have
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: him around like a four to four era. I just
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: don't see it being there. I think it's like a
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: mids threes. So if you adjust that toggle, he becomes
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: a great pitcher. Are you in the same mind here, Brew.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Imai was my bye. It was.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: It's pretty simple here, he's my bye. You know, Sam
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: had on almost all the right things here. Pitch mix
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: guy brings in ninety seven to ninety nine and for
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: somebody to come over from Japan, that's notable guests in
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: the seventh thing the last majority of the time, and
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: what he did last year, and you know, kudos. This
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: guy has a little moxie to him as well, and
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: I just love that he's the guy that you know,
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: pulled the Trevor Bauer sword a celebration on Trevor Bauer
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: and then struck out seventeen guys in the same game
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: against him last year.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: So you know, you just have a love guy with Moxie.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: And then you look at who's going around in ADP
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: and these are all guys going above him, Gavin Williams
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: above a Chandler, Drew Rasmussen, Pablo Lopez, Rhyan Pepio Nicolodolo. Like,
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: I'll take it my over almost any of those guys.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: I think the upside is significant for him. And you know,
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: being in this Houston, you know pitching system, They're gonna
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: get the most out of him. There's there's probably a
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: few systems I might take, you know, maybe a Cleveland
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: pitching shop every once in a while, but you know,
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: the Houston's probably top three in the pitching shops that
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: i'd want to see with an.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: Arm like this.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: So I'm right there. It's an easy, easy buy for
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: me at the ADP right.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: Now, Yeah steal, Okay, Well, well I like that buy.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: Ani Ma, I'm gonna go a bit of a different route.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: I'm going a little bit later, and I'm going with
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: one of my guys. I think I'm kind of planting
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: my flag in maybe to get into this season because
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: he's probably gonna pop up my waiver wire writing I
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: would imagine early on this season. I'm talking Hazu Sanchez,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: outfielder who's going three thirty seven off the board average
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: right now.
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: So super late. That's why is the bye.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: You're not really investing too much in him. But I
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: think I really, you know, you guys have already harped
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: on the Astros are a pretty good development organization, not
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: only from the pitching side, but I mean on the
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: hitting side. I think they've also been able to get
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: a lot out of their bats over the past few years.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: And Hazu Sanchez reminded, just like screamed, somebody who's still
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: a little bit raw, even though you know he is
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: twenty eight, but you know, floundered for a while to
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: find a solid role there in Miami. But what really
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: stands out to me is the bat speed was the
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: ninety third sentile last year. When you look at Savant,
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: it's actually the profile reminds me it looks a lot
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: like Addison Barger. When you look at the bars across
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: the board, the Savant page, the approach to I think
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: if Houston can teach Sanchez a little bit in the
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: off season, Hey, you know, this is the approach we
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: want you to take. We know you've got great bat speed,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: we want you to focus on these pictures in the zone.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: I think you could be looking at a breakout year
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: for him. And this is a guy who already was
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: like a fifteen to fifteen type of guy that you
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: were chasing. But I think there's upside there from a
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: batting average standpoint. Plus, he is in the strong side
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: platoon right now in right field. I don't know if
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: you guys have looked at this Houston outfield recently, but
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: it is a disaster. I don't know what they're planning
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: to do with it, fully, because like right now, they're
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: still starting Jake Myers, they're starting Zach Cole. You know,
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: you've got Cam Smith a little bit in the mix.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: E'sot Parades is in there. But then they've been talking about,
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: like even using some of the guys that were like
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: in double A last year, like Joseph Sullivan and stuff.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: So I have no worries about Sanchez holding down a
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: job all year in Houston, and I like a lot
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: of the indicators around that savant page that show. It's
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: an easy stuff I think for a breakout for him.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I'll go real quick and then say,
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: you know, you call out something that I think is
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: very astute from a baseball learning perspective. And I played
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: for many, many years and it took me a long
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: time to figure this out. Is it is as much
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: about skill as it is about knowledge when you're a
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: hitter and knowing what to swing out, what not to
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: swing out, what's a good strike to take, things like that,
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: And I don't know that Sanchez was ever getting that
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: coaching down in Miami, and so I think that there's
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: a lot to be said here because there's a good
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: skill set.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: He just doesn't know what to deploy it.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: And if he can figure out when to deploy it,
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: and I'm not confident he's going to figure it out,
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: but if he's got to figure it out, I think
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: this is a good system for him to do that.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: So I'm open to it. I'm not like jumping on
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: the bandwagon here, but I see why you would you
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: would go buy.
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm I'm excited that he's one of your buys
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: from Houston because if he plays all season with Houston.
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: I think that potentially it's because he had a great
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: season and he finally had a chance to land on
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: his feet. But that kid has never been able to
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: really maintain a good contact rate, and so you know,
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: I'm interested to see what his chase rate is this year.
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: I'm interested to see how he's able to control the
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: plate in Houston, because I think that's going to go
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: a long way to letting some of his skills show out.
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: If you do go to Savant. His bat speed is
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: the darkest of dark reds, and everything else is blue
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: and light red, and all the other red ones are
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: you know, quality of contact metrics that deal with how
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: hard you hit the ball. So it makes sense that
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: we see those. But until I see either you know,
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: a tendency to always pull and be able to get
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: you know, the most power out of what he's doing,
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: or contact at least, you know, hit two sixty two,
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: seventy five somewhere in that range instead of to twenty
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: to thirty to forty. I'm I'm excited that you like him,
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: because I that means that something did not go well
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: for the Astros. I think that the Astros are going
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: to contend they're gonna they're going You're going to see
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: somebody else that they make a move for mid season
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: if they're in attension, and I thought their outfield is
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: where they'd be targeting that.
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: So it is really strange.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: I don't know what their plan is going into the spring,
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: but it's not a it's not a playoff caliber outfield.
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: It's not a good one.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: We'll see what they do. H Okay, let's move on
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: to the cells. Sam, who's yourself?
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: Well, I've loved this guy for a long time, Jose Altuve,
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: and he's picked one thirteen, so he's right there. I
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: think that makes him round eight. You know, he's he's
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: He's been serviceable at a very shallow position, so I
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: don't blame people for drafting him that early, but I'm
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: out on him. For the last two years, all of
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: his power has been to left field. He's stopped hitting
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: the ball all across the diamond. His sprint speed is dropping,
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: his ability to hit is becoming a little bit more problematic.
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: He's just you're seeing that fall off, and I think
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: that he is actually I think this is the year
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: that the cliff happens. I think this is where we
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: see him fall off. Could be wrong. I just don't.
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: I don't see him being a three thousand hit player
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: at this point in his and that means he needs
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: to play another five years. I think he's got two
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: or three left in him where they're going to put
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: him on the field. But this year, I there's a
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: number of second basemen going after him that I would
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: be far more interested in than him.
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's fair.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: You can really see that the just overall kind of
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: quality of contact and everything has started to slope downwards
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: just and it's all I think age will really decline
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: at thirty five. He'll be turning thirty six in May.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: And like you said, I mean we've talked about a
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: couple times in the pod, the second base is no
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: fun as a position this year.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: So but where all TV.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: Is going, it looks a little bit of like a
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: oh crap, I forgot to get a second basement. But
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: you just got to hold on to your bridges and
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: wait for that next tier because that next tier is
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: the one to attack right behind him. That starts, you
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: know with like I'm not a big Jackson Holiday fan,
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: but he's right there.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: Luke Kisholz a reguards, right, l Yep, it's fine. Yeah,
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: so what al tiv go. I'm with you.
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: I'm even thinking farther back than that. I like the
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: range where you've got Polanco, Glebor, Torres, Marcus Semiony, Lennon Sosa.
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: I'm excited for any of you white Sox fans out
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: there for Lennon Soosa this year. I think he they've
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: they've done some things with that lineup. I think that
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: he's going to take a step forward, not only with
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: all of his counting categories, but I'm I like him. Yeah, sorry,
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: we're not talking about the Central. I'll quit my sex.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: That's always a. That's a that's a tough conversation. Usually,
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: like we've got Marty on next week to cover the
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: Central with us, But it will be a fun time
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: getting through all those teams. Brew who is yourself from
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: the Astros.
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: It's funny.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna take one of call josel to Va Junior,
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: which is Jemy Pina. If you go up, like you know,
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: three four rounds and you look at the profile, well
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: it's pretty much the same thing, just a little bit
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: younger and a little bit better. And to be very frank,
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: because I look at the numbers like I it's it's hard,
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: like there's not like a hey, something really jumps out.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: It's just he's a guy that just doesn't flash the
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: tools besides speed.
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: He got lucky last.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: Year with bad average on balls and play, and so
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: he's a two seventy guy. He's not a three h
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: four guy. He's never hit better than two sixty six
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: outside of last year. The power is exactly like L
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: two bay. It is down the line just using those
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: Crawford boxes.
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: That's all. That's what it is.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: And I just get concerned that this is the profile
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: that is gonna have a one bad luck year because
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: he had a lot of good luck last year. And
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: we're gonna look at at a guy that's like fifteen
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: fifteen at best hitting two seventy maybe you know, ten
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: to fifteen, And when you look at the the guys
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: in that same draft range, it's just there's plenty of
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: other guys that are going after him that are interesting
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: and exciting. I mean, you got the Boba Chets going later.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: You've got Trevor Story, who I'm a big fan of.
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: You could go back for.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: Jacob Wilson later. Like there's plenty of better options in Paya.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: Just he's boring. I get it, he's a fine pick.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: I just I see more downside than upside of this
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: point in his career, and I don't think it's worth
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: paying for that price when there's probably better options that
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: are going to do just the same thing two, three,
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: four rounds later. So not a bad player, but I
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: think you can get the same thing without spending the price.
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, I hate how much I'm agreeing with you so far.
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: I've been looking for something that we could have a
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: little back you wait, no, I know, yeah, No, Colson
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: Montgomery is going after pick two hundred like I'll take
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: him all day at shortstop over Jeremy Panna.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: Okay, well, I guess it's time for my cell. I
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: think it was Sam. It was your sale last year
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: and it was spot on, and I'm doing it now
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: this year again because he's cropping back up, because the
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: projections will still continue.
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: To love him.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: It's Christian Walker that, like you want to talk about,
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: just age really decline even kicking in even more. It's
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: happening very rapidly for Christian Walker, who it doesn't feel
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: like he's been around very long, but like because he
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: got a late start to being able to get playing
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: time in Arizona. He didnt start getting full playing time
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: until his age twenty eight season. There that you forget
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: about how long he's been around and so he will
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: be turning thirty five at the end of March. And
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: he got to his numbers eventually last year, but it
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: came with a lot of gnashing of teeth until he
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: hit the back into the season that like, I'm sure
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: plenty of people were dropping him because he just looked toast.
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: The strikeouts were.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: Up, the ability to hit the ball quite as hard
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: has you know, it decreased. It looks better because September
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: in August, we're so good for him, but like it
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: was nasty up until then. And then you also add
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: in Houston brought him in to cover first base and
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: play a great defense. He was not good in the
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: field last year, and that gives me that kind of
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: takes away that floor, I think from Walker when they're
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: already looking at they've got too many corner infielders in
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: this on this team, like Carlos Korea is playing third,
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: is Zac Praatis is just hanging out on the bench
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: because you can't put him at DH with yard On Alvarez.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: If Christian Walker stumbles out the gate again, you're looking
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: at a possible cut scenario if if Houston can't find
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: a spot to play him. I think, because you know,
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: if they're trying to win, and I think that what
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: they are, but like I don't think they will, and
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: it's going to create some drastic moves and I could
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: see Christian Walker being one of those drastic moves.
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: I feel like we're going to run out with the
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: outfield in Houston.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: Here is gonna like Christian Walker isaac parades like like
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: we got guys gonna box doesn't really when we're gonna
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: we're gonna put like their best center fielder out there.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: From a defensive perspective, they can find the miners and
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: they just flank him with guys that can do nothing.
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: Am I the only one in the world that just
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: is in love with the SoC parades? Like I love
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: him as a baseball player and as a batter because
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: he knows where his success is and he leans into it.
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: You'll look at his bat and ball profile. He he
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: he has a skill and he's gonna do just that.
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: He's gonna pull everything and he's I want I wanted
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: him on the Mariners in the corner. I would have
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: traded one of our our outfielders for him.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: I feel like e'zac Pard's is like a slopish softball
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: guy that just like all I'm gonna do is just
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: pull it down the line.
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: I know you can't shift, so what does it.
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: Matter, like farther than three hundred and fifty feet, Like
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: he knows that. It's not like he's four hundred, four
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: hundred and fifty feet. He's like, I can hit it
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: ten feet past the fence every time, right there.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: It It'll make you millions.
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: No, he doesn't really fit on their roster, and Walker
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: is playing his way off of that roster. Michael, I
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: thank you for remembering that call yas last year. Yes,
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: I'm Christian Walker is done.
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: Okay, Well let's move on to maybe an even more
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: harrowing situation in Anaheim with the Los Angeles Angels here,
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: who came off of a last place finished seventy two
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: and ninety in the division. As everything looked bad and
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: would they do in this offseason, they've been piecing together
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: players and trying to add and make it look like
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: they're on the agic contention, But I feel like it's
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: just another house of cards that the Angels are kind
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: of putting together underneath Ardy Moreno and their perpetual machine
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: of spending and non contention. That like, it's a strange,
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: strange franchise and a strange strange roster. Yeah, let's run
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: through the handful of guys that they've added to this roster.
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: Well.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: First, John Mancotta is back at third base to play
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: clean up hitter there. Josh Low, Yeah, Josh Low came in.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: Josh Low should be their starting right fielder. It looks
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: like right now. They for them, also picked up Von Grissom.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: They added Grayson Rodriguez, they added Alec Manoa, they added
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: an entire bullpen of junk arms of Drew Pomeranz, Kirby Yates,
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: Jordan Romano, and they've let go of Anthony Rendon. It
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: has been a busy offseason. They picked up try Me
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: and Sini last week too, which I almost I almost
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: made my buy because I was like, Trey Mancini is
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: absolutely getting four hundred and fifty played appearances for this
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: Los Angeles Angels team in twenty twenty six, and he
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: tore the cover off the ball last year for Arizona
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: and Triple A, but I didn't. They've still got Nick
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: Maggal down in the miners. They picked up Homer Kendalario.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: I could go on and on of like remember some
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: guys with this low Los Angeles Angels club. I think
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: they're destined for another last place finish. I think they're
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: gonna end up wasting this entire career of Mike.
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: Trout with all those setups.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: Who we buying from this Los Angeles Angels squad because
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: it's a mess. Like I said, there's a lot of
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: things going on. But at the same time, this has
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: been one of my favorite hitters parks, especially early in
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: the season. It plays warm down in Orange County in Anaheim,
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: so you can find bats on this squad usually. I
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: don't know if we're all going to be buying bats,
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: but Sam, who is your buye?
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: I'm not buying a bat. I think that there's you know,
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: all those names that you just spoke about doesn't even
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: get into the talent that they still had on their
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: roster that they're going to have to find room for.
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: So I think that there's a lot of things that
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: are gonna settle with their offense, and we're just we're
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: not going to know until the end of spring training,
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: maybe even not until we get into May. But you know,
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: somebody knows something that we don't know in Baltimore. They
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: don't know what, or we don't know what's going on
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: with Grayson Rodriguez he got traded for It felt pretty
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: pretty light to Anaheim. I'm excited to see what he's
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: going to be able to do in la If he's
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: going to be able to bring his arm back and
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: be able to be the pitcher that we saw in
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: twenty three. I'm excited for that. And at his price,
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: I think he's going after pick three hundred. I think
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: he's picked three forty two on average. You know, that's
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: twenty third round. That's a great place to throw a dart,
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: you know. I'm I think Alec Manoa. You know, I
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: also really liked him and he was with Toronto and
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: had that season in twenty two. But I think he's
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: going to be a waiver wire pick. I don't think
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: he's going to get drafted this offseason. I think people
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: are going to want to see some show and tell
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: unless he Unless he's hot in spring you know that
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: could change some things for Mania, But I'm excited about
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: Grayson Rodriguez. I think out of all the players on
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: that roster at their values, you know, I thought long
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: and hard about Mike Trout, but I'm he's almost been
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: as problematic for as problematic for as long as he
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: was elite. You know, he's had a several year run
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: of having real problems staying on the field. And if
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: he has, you know, a breakout season with a reduced
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: role in the outfield, that's gonna happen on somebody else's roster.
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: I'm not I'm not paying for Mike Trout.
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: I think that's fair. I can get the I can
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: get the Grayson Rodriguez by because it is such a
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: late price. It's not for me.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: It's the projections are in. The projections are in with you.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: The projections. I've noticed because in our autnew league that
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: we are playing, and I was putting together some numbers,
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: Grayson Rodriguez kicks out very, very positively, partly because Oopsie
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: loves him with a three forty one era. I don't
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: know about that, Oopsie, but you know, a lot of
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: great stuff and the projections, I just don't know if
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: his arm is attached anymore. So Grayson's not for me.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: But I don't think he's bad for a buye because
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: it's so late it's not much of a price.
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: Didn't he wasn't That deal made without medicals.
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: Supposedly, that's what they said.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: I don't think he went for a full physical, but
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: I think they exchanged medicals.
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: I mean, yes, they they but it just that the
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: whole thing was amazing to me that that whole deal
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: went down the way that it did. I think that
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: that's that That would be my dart throw.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: Okay, brew who's your bye from the Angels?
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: Well, I didn't apply on Greason because it's the same
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: exact logic for my guy, which is Robert Stevenson a
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: ton of talent.
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: The arm might fall off.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: And I think he's the best arm in the bullpen
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: and should get saves, and he could also be hurt
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: in spring training.
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: So you just you don't know.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: But for a guy that's going around picked three point fifty,
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: that is just a savant page for the last two
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: years he's pitched, is just blood red. Why wouldn't you
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: take a flyer late late in the draft, because if
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: he does do what he did at the end of
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: last year, which is he had you know, a good
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: twelve games, ten innings and just lit everybody up. Looked dominant.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: I don't know if it's gonna carry. I don't know
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: if he'll stay healthy, but if that's the guy he is,
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: which is the last two full seasons he's pitched, he
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: has been dominant. So I'll take a potential dominant guy
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: for basically pinnings on the dollar, and if I'm wrong,
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: it cost me pennies on the dollar. So that's it's
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: exact same argument, Grayson. I think there's a ton of talent,
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: and I think that's when you're where you're looking at
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: with this Angels team. Is dart throws late their lottery
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: tickets for sure?
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: Yep, right, all right, well, I we're gonna have all
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: different ones because mine is Jose Soriano here and.
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: He is all stay away from the hitters. Yeah we did,
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: which is kind of funny.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: He's going around pick three thirty five ish right now,
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: so actually just right behind Grace and Rodriguez. And I
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: like it as a play because this is a tale
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: two halves a lot like what I talked about with
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: David Peterson in our Mets preview where Jose Soriano through
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: the most innings he ever has in his career last
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: year in age twenty six. He came through the system
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: with the Angels, where he was a bit of like
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: a swingman and even was in the bullpen for all
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: of twenty twenty three. You can see it right in
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: his numbers. I'm you know, first half second half splits
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: are not exactly like the most scientific, but I think
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: it tells the story here pretty well, because he did
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: end up putting up a career high one hundred.
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: And sixty nine innings.
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: Like I said, those first one hundred and thirteen before
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: the All Star break three ninety ERA with a three
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: four fip second half, you're looking at fifty six innings
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: with a four ninety eight ERA and a four to
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: forty fIF He just wore down over the entire season.
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: When you're talking that late of pick, I think you're
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: looking at a guy who can be an eight k
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: per nine guy with like a high three ZR. And
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: that's that's free money at that point, because you're just
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: getting a guy who's going out and posting every week
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: with a little bit of upside, like This is a
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: he's got a nasty stinker, he's got a nasty slider.
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: He's learning kind of on the fly because I don't
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: think the Angels are probably giving him the best instruction.
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: But he's young, he's going to this age twenty seventh season.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: I like Jose Soriano for you know, one hundred and
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: eighty innings of solid work for back end of your
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: rotation for a fantasy.
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: I think it's fair. I think it's fair.
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: The only thing I'm worried about is that defense, and
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: it's all the picks we just made. Taking a tick down,
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: I think the ball is gonna score through that in
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: field pretty easily.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Netto's pretty solid. Mancata can be solid
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: second base.
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: We'll see. Maybe Christian Moore.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: Can also kind of bring it a little bit more
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: up the center. Yeah, Joel is a little rough up
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: the center.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: You had to get Joe Adell, and I'm trying to
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: through a whole podcast with elevisions.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: Joe adel Hey, I will call out that he was
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: Sam's cell last year and that did not work out
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: for you very well.
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: Sam, So I don't know what you're talking about.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: I'm not buying him this year because the price this
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: year is absurd.
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: One hundred and twentieth pick. The floor on that is
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: so far down.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: I guess if you're like really drafted boring, maybe I
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: can see it. But yeah, some people are going to
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: get their hearts torn out by Joe Adell this season.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: I think, yeah, but let's get into some cells because
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: anybody selling Adele this year.
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: Well, I'll just get my cell real real quick. It's
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: everybody else on that roster. Seriously, I think my note
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: as I would rather roster Sacramento Athletics players don't. I
• 52:53
  Speaker 4: don't trust that organization with their major league team. Their
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: Ardi Moreno has his hands in too many things, and
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: they just make very interesting decisions. We just went over
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: the litany of roster changes that they had this year,
• 53:09
  Speaker 4: and maybe this is the year. You know, like I
• 53:12
  Speaker 4: was wrong on Joe adel last year. He actually got
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: some run and did well with his run all things
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: considered what we thought about Joe Adele. I mean, he's
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: still jo Adell. Was still Joe Adell, just with actual
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: positive results. You know, I'm just I'm out on any
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: of the Angels players. You know, they that they're going
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: to be waiver wire, they're going to be you know,
• 53:35
  Speaker 4: something happens in spring training where we get some kind
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: of real actionable news and they'll end up, you know,
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: maybe creeping onto a draft of mine here and there.
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: But as it sits right now, I'm I'm good.
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: I hear you.
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: I actually love this because this was the exact same
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: thing I did. I was reading the show notes. I
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: saw Sands pics in there, and I looked at my
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: notes on my phone and what I had, I'm like
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: it at all, other like, I have zero desire. I'm like,
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: are our bies were pretty gout turned similar? Which is
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: just a dart throw? And I'm like and I'm done,
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: Like I know more than one from this bunch.
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: I think was a strategy this year.
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: I think if that mister top one hundred hinders, What
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: do you think about Zach Nato, he's going like he's
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: starting to creep into the second round of some drafts.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's it's a little rich. And I
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: don't think it's because of Netto himself. I do think
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: he like just he's one of those guys when you
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: watch him, I just I feel like he's playing above
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: his ability just for the pure eye test, and then
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: I also looked just what's around him, and I get
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: real worried that he's gonna get like the Air and
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: Judge treatment somehow there for the Angels, because I mean, yeah,
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: I get Mike trouts there at times, but beyond that, like,
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: there's really nobody else that's gonna hurt you. And why
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: would they make him run? Why would they look for this?
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: Like why would you do anything like that with with
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: your best assets? So I'm it's just it's too rich
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: for me. I don't get me wrong. Like another few
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: routes later, I'm all, I'm all for it. It just
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: it just feels like it's a little rich at this
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: point in time. And so not that I don't like
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: the player, it's just at the price point, it's still
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: still a cell.
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I'm going where he's going. I want players
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: with a higher floor. And you know, his his quality
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: of contact metrics again tons of red on the stat cast,
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: but his plate discipline numbers are all blue, and he
• 55:29
  Speaker 4: strikes out a ton. He doesn't walk a lot like
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: he's he's only striking out. I think last year was
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: twenty seven percent somewhere around there, which it's not at
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: that that thirty or higher number that everybody talks about, like, oh,
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: they strike out thirty, but twenty seven is still a
• 55:43
  Speaker 4: high strikeout rate. He only walks around five six percent
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: of the time, Like he just I don't I don't
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: want to. I don't want to give give up batting
• 55:52
  Speaker 4: average in this game this year, that early, unless I'm
• 55:58
  Speaker 4: drafting a catcher. So yep.
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: So the good news, COOLi is we agree with you.
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: Whatever your cell is, we both agree.
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: Well yeah, yeah, I mean I think maybe the I
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: mean I'm a little bit in the same boat part
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: of his like not a lot of these guys are
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: getting drafted. But I'm gonna go back to the well
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: and sell Logan o'hapi again that like he still has
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: not brought that contact rate up above seventy percent. He
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: still whiffs a ton and then you layered on a
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: concussion late last year. Everybody last year like he was
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: starting to creep into like top ten catcher territory in drafts,
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: and that's why I was pumping the brakes. I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: He had a great twenty twenty four for the Angels,
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: but this dude has had a history of injuries between
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: the concussion and then the labrim tear in twenty twenty three.
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: He's still going pretty late, like he's the twenty first
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: catcher off the board. But still even at that price,
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: the bottom can really fall out on you with Ohapi,
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: given all the angels this around him that like, I
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: would rather try to find a different pathway for a
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: second catcher than logan O Happy. You know you've got
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: Tylers Stevenson right there, Ryan Jeffers, Carlos Narvaiaz, Edgar Caro,
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: Carson Kelly.
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: I'd take all those guys. I'd skip Bo Naylor.
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: But we talked about Victor Carrottini, Freddy Freeman's hanging out
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: or Furman is hanging out down there. So you've got
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: other options that are not logan O Happy. So I'm
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: selling logan O Happy, even though it is a pretty
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: late draft price at two thirty five. Just find a
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: different rounte I catcher. Okay, well, let's go to the
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: Sacramento Athletics where now we're gonna get a little more
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: pep in our step, I think, because this is probably
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of people's like sexy wild card
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: pick for twenty twenty six, I think after they're coming
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: off of a seventy six and eighty six season, even
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: in that Triple A Park in Sacramento, although it helped
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: a lot of their bats, that's for sure, helped Nick
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: Kurtz win a Rookie of the Year and just plow
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: through the league even after that tough start. I'm among
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: the people out there who did pick up Nick Kurtz
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: in the A League because he got dropped after that
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: atrocious start. And I'm sure Brew you were getting questions
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: all the time about dropping him, and I was like, no.
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: No, no, the whole time.
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: The hold the line there. I remember I traded one
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: of our leagues. Somebody's after Kurtz and Kaglione, and they
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: would after them when that was happening, and I'm just like,
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: here's Jack Caglion, please so and uh.
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: Otherwise, a pretty mum off season, I would say. You know,
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: they did sign Tyler Sadistrom to a long term extension.
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: Which was great to see. They brought a board Jeff.
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: McNeil to play second base every day, and otherwise I
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: think they're just letting the kids kind of develop through
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: their system. They've got lots of interesting arms, lots of
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: interesting bats, and I think, like I said, it's going
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: to be a very interesting wild card kind of contending
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: team going to twenty twenty six years. So all those considerations, Sam,
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: who is your bye from the Athletics.
• 58:55
  Speaker 4: Well, it's not going to be one of their pitchers,
• 58:57
  Speaker 4: that's for sure. You know. I think if they're to
• 59:00
  Speaker 4: be a wildcard team, they're going to have to have
• 59:01
  Speaker 4: some real consistency and some real innings eaters that you know,
• 59:07
  Speaker 4: who knows if it's going to be strikeouts or just
• 59:09
  Speaker 4: being able to have a good defense behind him. But
• 59:11
  Speaker 4: they're gonna they're going to need some things to be
• 59:13
  Speaker 4: a wildcard team. But that offense, Oh my gosh, my
• 59:17
  Speaker 4: bye is Tyler Soderstrom. He's going at pick ninety two.
• 59:22
  Speaker 4: Kid is twenty four years old. Kid is twenty four
• 59:25
  Speaker 4: years old, and he just put it all together last year. Tyler,
• 59:32
  Speaker 4: get him now, because I think next year he'll be
• 59:35
  Speaker 4: a third or fourth round pick. I think he's just
• 59:38
  Speaker 4: going to continue to really do damage in that lineup.
• 59:44
  Speaker 4: So I'm super excited about Tyler Soderstrom at that price.
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: I think this is a great call. He is currently
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: going off. I mean he's actually like a round pick
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: one hundred right now, but great savant page. It's also
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: like a play where I don't get the projections on
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: this one. The projections are really kind of pushing him
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: back and batting average and everything. But he smokes the
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: ball so hard and plays in such a great ballpark.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: I think this is a great buy. So Brew, who's
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: your buye from.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: The I'm gonna go way on the list and a
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: guy that I actually believes even in their roster resource
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: depth charts, and I'm going to go Jack Perkins. And
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: Jack Perkins is going off the board. It picked five
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: hundred and fifty nine, which.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: I believe he was not necessarily picked. So Jack Perkins
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: is next. Mason Miller. He heard it here first.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: This guy was dominant in the minor leagues. He has
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: some control problems. Camp last year looked good, always gets injured.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: He had shoulder issues, and from a closing perspective, that
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: bullpen is ugly, ugly, and this guy doesn't have what
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: it takes to stay healthy in the rotation. But in
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: the miners last year he was striking out fourteen nine.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: He throws just mid ninetieth percentile gas and I don't
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: see why they wouldn't take a guy like that, assuming
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: he's healthy, and let him anchor the bullpen, and then
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: they're gonna eventually flip him. Let's be very clear, this
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: is what they're gonna do unless they really hit contention.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: But I think Jack Perkins is the closer for the
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: Athletics at least three cords of the season this year,
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: and he is absolutely free.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: I like this.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: It's a wicked slider too, just like miss and Miller.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: Not quite as good of a fastball shape, but it's
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: another wicked slider. And like, yeah, as long as you
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: got a fastball that's going fast and you can spot
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: it up a little bit, it is a ninety location
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: plus according to stuff Plus.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: So that's the other thing.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: Maybe we talk about that pen bullpen, we also talk
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: about guys to watch in spring training.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: Perkins is gonna be on my watch list, I think now.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely. I was gonna say he walks a ton
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 4: of guys, so he's definitely a bullpen arm. But Oakland
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 4: is or Oakland Sacramento is a place where opportunity can
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 4: happen there, So all.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: Right, cool, Can you go deeper than Jack Perkins?
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: No, I'm going towards the top of the draft here
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: because I'm going back to the wall because I thought
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: you would go here again too.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: Brent Rooker, he was so easy. I love that Brent Rooker.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: He's fifty fifth off the board on our player Rader
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: for twenty twenty six, thirty fifth player.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: That's about where he landed last year.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: You want to talk about somebody who should be going
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: maybe in that second round, to say, Zach netto look
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: at Brent Rooker. And he was actually recently on the
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: Effectively Wild podcast where you know, he was talking about
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: he still felt like there was things to develop last year.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: And you're still looking at a guy who I mean,
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: the age is up.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: There, but like because he's still getting the early opportunities
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: in his career. It's only he's only played three full
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: seasons at major league level and you put him back
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: in that ballpark in Sacramento. I mean, I'm loving it.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: For like a seventy average, thirty five homers, non zero speed,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: you know, one hundred runs maybe one hundred rbi. Like
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: that is a great spot and you don't have to
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: worry about him. I think for outfield in any league,
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: I think this year because I think he played twenty
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: games last year. Let me check just to verify that. Yeah,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: he played twenty eight games out there, so he should
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: be qualified outfield everywhere. Last year we had concerns because
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: he was util only. You don't have to worry about
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: that this year. Brent Rooker is just easy money sitting
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: in like the third round in most drafts right now,
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: right now. I took him in our f PAS DC
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: when we were out there because it was just sitting
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: there and you're like, why is this guy here?
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 4: I love that call.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: I think it's great, And I think what people don't
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: realize is Rooker was better last year than he was
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: in twenty four. Like from purely under the covers. He
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: had worse luck. His home runs for flyball dropped pretty dramatically,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: and he hit the ball just as or dropped. The
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: strike out rate, like everything almost across the board got better.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: The results weren't as good because of some luck and
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: other things like that, but like the actual skill was better.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: So I think, yeah, we can we will see more
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: from Britt Rooker.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 4: And you said he was the thirty fifth rated player
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 4: right now for No.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: Third hitter twenty twenty six on our player Raider for Rasball, Like,
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: if you're using our Rasball player raider for projections for
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, he's ring thirty.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: Five right now.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: So yeah, it's that's what. You don't find that type
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: of gap usually at the top of a draft. And
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: I'll take it all day with Brent Broker. Let me
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: see where he ended up last year on the player
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: Raider because it was also very good overall. It was
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: fifty seven last year. But like Bruce just said, like
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: everything was there. Okay, Well, let's get to the cells
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: here for the A's Sam, who's yourself?
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 4: Oh, sorry, Ice Cubes, you're gonna have to edit that out.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: I'm keeping that in out.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 4: So my cell from the A's is actually one of
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 4: the two players in the major leagues that I have
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 4: a T shirt of that isn't a Mariner. Like, I
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 4: love this guy, but I don't think I can pay
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 4: a pick eighteen for Nick Kurtz. I don't think I
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 4: can pick him at the beginning of the second round.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 4: If he was going around later, maybe the two three turn,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 4: I would give him a lot more consideration. But he
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 4: still struck out way too much, and that makes me
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 4: afraid that there's going to be an opportunity for people
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 4: to figure out their way to pitch him. I mean,
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 4: this is the Majors and very few players and he
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 4: quality of contract metrics are just through the ceiling. Like,
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 4: I get that he's one of those players that could
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 4: live at a thirty percent strikeout rate and not hurt you,
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 4: but I I'm not going to be picking him at
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 4: the beginning in the second round, So I'm out on Nick.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't disagree with it.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: At the same time, I'm kind of neutral here because
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: I think this is one of the few guys that
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: could be a fifty to sixty homework type of guy,
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: especially in that ballpark. But to your point, this is
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: the point the draft works really hard to go power
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: bat and not continue to get some speed and or
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: high end pitching, because it gets pretty questionable pretty quick
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: in the pitching area as well.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 3: So I'm kind of with you.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: I don't think I'll own much of him because of
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: that dynamic. It's not that I don't think he's the
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: right value there. I just think it doesn't set up
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: your draft very well for what you want to do
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: to build later, because you can find the guys later
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: that they'll hit bombs. You're not going to find the
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: guys later that run and don't you know hit two
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: ten right.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: The other thing to consider too, Roster Resource has Nick
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: Kurtz leading off right now. If that happens, that's gonna
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: be a hindrance.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: To your RBI. I mean, obviously the runs there, but
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 3: Roster Resource has questions at times.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't I don't see how he's leading off
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: personally like it. I think they probably lead off McNeil
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: or Wilson.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 4: But yes, absolutely absolutely, you'd want the table set for him.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because it I mean it was a solid walk rate.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: But yeah, you want some dudes on base when he's
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: gonna slug. Okay, I think that's a fair sell. Brew
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: who's yours?
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 3: I'm going with another name. It's been pretty hot.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: He's going further down, going pick one sixty three at
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: lea score. The data I'm using and that's Lawrence Butler.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: Lawrence Butler's Savantant page is pretty scary looking. It is
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: mostly blue, and he also doesn't know what to swing
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: at And the second half of last year, do you
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: know what he did? He struck out thirty percent of
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: the time his WRC plus was seventy, it wasn't even
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: close to passable.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: And yeah, I get it.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: The guy can run, and the guy has some some crazy,
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: crazy power when he hits the ball, but he doesn't
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: seem to hit the ball that often, and so it's definitely,
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: definitely questionable. This is the kind of profile that absolutely
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: can do what he's done. He can go twenty twenty,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: he go thirty thirty. He could also go like ten
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: to ten and get demoted. It wouldn't be unreasonable with
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: a guy with his profile. So it's it's one of
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: those I'm just like, I'm staying out of the game
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: because nothing good comes from playing with fire Like that
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: is somebody else's problem if he's going too high. This
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: is a profile the guy should be picked like two
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: hundred and two fifty, not in mid one hundreds.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: I think, yeah, that's fair.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, the thing is like it could be twenty
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: twenty and there's not many chances at last, you know,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: past him. The other consideration is the range on it.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: I don't I've not seen a range on a dude
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: quite as large as his. Uh, it's pick one twenty
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: nine to two or four. So like there are drafts
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: where Lawrence Butler's falling towards pick two hundred. I'm guessing
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: you're probably not as cell there, but like, yeah, that.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: Feels more reasonable.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: It's but yeah, I've been talking a good four or
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: five hours earlier. It's just like now, I think there's
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: better options that have a higher floor in similar ceilings
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: than Butler. So it's just not that's not kind of
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: kind of you want to build a team around.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, totally, it's fair.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 4: Totally agree.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: Okay, well I've got a different cell myself. I'm selling
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: Jacob Wilson because I don't quite get it. This is
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: a little bit of like Luisa Rise thing here, because
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: when you look at the power.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: I mean, certainly he.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: Did get to the thirteen homers last year because he
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: played in Sacramento. But I don't know if I feel
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: confident about him eclipsing double digit homers.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: You're in, you're out, given just the way that he hits.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: You know, you're looking at a twenty four point seven
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: percent hard hit rate, a two point two percent l
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: rate because he's not striking out and he's kind of
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: doing the lease a Rise thing where he's focusing on
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: making contact and putting it in play, and I mean,
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: even when you're looking at that, I'm not sure that
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: that's always going to be totally sustainable. I don't think
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: even the batting average that he can provide for you
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: is necessarily something you can count on when you're looking
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: at a dude who's only on the thirty ninth percentile
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: for a sprint speed. Because like this works, and like
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: when you're talking about like the Justin Crawford, even that
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: Chandler Simpson mold that we've talked about, where if you've
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: got elite level speed and you're just putting the ball
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: into the infield, you can outrun it. That's not exactly
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: what Jacob Wilson's doing. You can see it on his
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: spray chart that he's just dinking and dunking stuff in
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: front of the outfielders. And I don't know if that's
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: a sustainable strategy in the long term. On top of
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: like he was dealing with that like broken hand, I
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: believe last year towards the end of the year, and
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure you know how that could impact him
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: going forward. You just kind of it becomes the case
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: where you're not sure where you're gonna get the other
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: categories from when you're looking at JP Goob Wilson overall,
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: other than the batting average. So because of that, I'm
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: selling him just in a five by five rod. It's
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: a little bit of a rich price for me. At
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: one seventy seven.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: I've got no problem with this one. So it's it's
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: right there. It's it's anytime you compare a guy to Locirias,
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: I'm out.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: So it's it's.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: It's it's pretty it's pretty pretty easy there. But like
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: this is one of the if everything goes right, you
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: got a guy that hits three thirty and hits like
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: seventy RBIs and ninety runs, zero steals and five homers
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: type thing. So like yeah, like again it's Louise Riah's
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: and you just can't pay for that. This is a
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: fantastic middle endfielder if you can get him at that
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: like two fifty draft price something like that.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean, I guess if you're trying to
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: make up for like a Schwarber pick or something, maybe,
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: but like it takes a pretty perfect scenario I think
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: to be rostering Jacob Wilson.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've I've looked up before it's so hard to
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: do that where you try to combine to you guys
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: to get some stellar guy, like it never works out.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 3: It never works out.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 4: I'm just stunned. I've never looked at his stackcast page before,
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 4: and it's either dark red or dark blue. Like there's
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 4: very little variants. Ninety eight percent house squaring up one
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 4: hundred percent for his k rate, it's seven point five
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 4: percent for the season. Expecting battag average and like you
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 4: expect to see like the barrel, the hard hit, the
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 4: ag Oh my god.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, when you swing the bat so slow, you're gonna
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: make contact.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 3: He's basically bunting every time. It's a funky profile.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: He's a great he's a fun player to watch in
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: real life. But for Rodo, it is a it is
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: a wacky profile.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 4: He hit thirteen home runs and stole five bases last year,
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 4: Like it wasn't that he was a nothing contributor. But yeah,
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 4: I don't I don't want to pay I don't want
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 4: to pay that that draft price pick. What what did
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 4: you say? He was that on the on the sheet?
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 3: It's one.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 4: No, he's he's like a after pick two fifty, after
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 4: pick three hundred, he's a he's a dart throw. Yeah,
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 4: that's like JP Crawford. Yes, yes, you would never pick
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 4: that high. You would never pick JP Crawford before pick
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 4: two hundred exactly.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: Okay, well, let's get to the main attraction here. Let's
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: talk about those Seattle Mariners who won this division last
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: year ninety and seventy two, got to the Alcs right
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: on the precipice of the World Series. And this is
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: another great team I think, going into twenty twenty six,
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: pretty much returning everybody that they had previously, including re
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: signing Josh Naylor who was acquired at the deadline, recently
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: added Brendan Donovan. They also have put together a couple
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: of pieces in the bullpen. I mean, the main one
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: is Jose Ferrare coming over from Washington. And I mean
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: this team, they didn't really need to make too many
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: moves to improve upon a ninety win team, especially when
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: you've got a core of Cal and Julio and that
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: pitching rotation that looks like a bunch of stalwarts. Oh
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: and they added Kate Anderson in the draft as well.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 3: So I mean I think this, yes they did, this
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 3: team is.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: Primed for another big year. I think They're probably my
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: AL Champions pick for twenty twenty six, just because of
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: all the talent that they've got and the rotation is
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: just so nasty. Sam, this is your favorite team. I'm
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: sure you want to buy just about everybody, but I've
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: got to make you narrow it down to one. Who
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: are you buying at their ADP Yeah.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 4: I was trying to figure out how to take all
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 4: of the top players for the Mariners in a snake draft,
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 4: and I just I don't think that there's a way
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 4: to collect them all. You can't pokemon the Mariners this
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 4: year like you can some other clubs. They're really top heavy.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 4: But I'm excited for Bryce Miller to come back into
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 4: this rotation and be a difference maker. He dealt with
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 4: some inj last year, him and Kirby and Logan actually
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 4: after I don't think any of them missed to start
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 4: in twenty four. All three of them lost time to injuries,
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 4: while it was Wu and Castillo who ended up anchoring
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 4: that rotation. But Bryce Miller came back at the end
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 4: of the season and pitched great in the playoffs, and
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 4: I think that's all I needed to see was that
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 4: he was back to being Bryce Miller, and he got
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 4: that experience of being in the playoffs. He never looked
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 4: like he was smaller than the you know, the position
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 4: that he was being put in. He rose to those occasions,
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 4: and so I'm excited he's going around pick two point
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 4: fifty on the sheet. Maybe his ADP has moved up
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 4: a little bit, but I think you're getting somebody who
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 4: on most rosters would be an SP two, SP three
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 4: around where you're drafting SP five, SP six, And I
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 4: want that upside for days at that at that range.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 4: So Bryce Miller, for me, is really exciting to see
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 4: that he's fallen that far.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: All right, Well you flipped because he was your cell
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: last year and he was my bye, but you were
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: right last year. But I thought I like it. The
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: price is pretty dirt cheap, and I've always liked Bryce Miller.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 3: I liked what I saw at the end of the season.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: During the season.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: It was rough. It was not the Bryce Miller I'd
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: known and loved. But yeah, I think it's a great
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: throw at pick two fifty, a little bit of upside there.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 3: Brew who's your bye?
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: I am going with my plant of the year on
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: this team. There's probably no guy that I like more
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: in dress right now than Dominique ken Zone. Oh my
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: cell love the guy. This is the guy's phenomenal. This
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: is a guy before Donovan was gonna hit probably fifth
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: in the lineup. He'll probably sixth in the lineup. When
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: you look at the underlying metrics average X velocity, it's
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: Austin Riley or Jordan Walker. Those guys mash barrel rates,
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: metals or you hit Suarez, those guys mash This guy.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: He's gonna hit to eighty two ninety. He's gonna hit
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: quite a few home runs, very respectable plate approach, and
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: I think we're talking the two eighty twenty homer plus
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: season easily at a three thirty three ADP. Everything that
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: he did just looked really strong, and I think he's
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: gonna just continue to grow. If you actually go back
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: and look at Bobby Witt in twenty twenty three, some
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: of his metrics and what he looked like under the covers,
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: it's uncanny how similar it is to Dominic Canzone.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 3: Now I'm not.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: Saying he's gonna be Bobby Witt, but like for how
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: good he looks under the covers and nobody's talking about
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: him and when you actually watch.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 3: Him play, it looks legit.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: So I don't know why people aren't talking about this
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: guy more because he I think he's gonna win the leagues.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 4: I love that call as Mariners fan, and I can't
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 4: disagree with anything that you've said. What I will add
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 4: to that is, you know, Victor Roebliss is still on
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 4: that roster, and he had a really strong ending of
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 4: twenty twenty four. He lost twenty twenty five to that
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 4: shoulder injury when he crashed into the net against the Giants.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 4: He and Canzone I think are going to be platooning
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 4: in right field. And I don't know why they're not
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 4: throwing Canzone against left handed pitching. I don't know why
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 4: they aren't, because he's proven that he's an above league
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 4: average hitter against lefties. Also, like yep, he's phenomenal, but
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 4: for whatever reason, and he doesn't play bad defense, and
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 4: he's got that it factor. He's fun to watch on
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 4: the field, and he's playing for a great team. He
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 4: doesn't have to be a contributor. You could bat him seven,
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 4: eight or nine and not feel badly about it. Right
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 4: like he's in that perfect position. I just don't I
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 4: don't know if the Mariners are going to try to
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 4: be smarter than everybody in the room and continue to
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 4: platoon that position instead of just giving that kid runway
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 4: because of the gravitas coming into this season that you know,
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 4: like Mike was saying, there's a lot of people that
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 4: like them or the Blue Jays as as the picks
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 4: to click for going back to the World Series this year,
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 4: and so you know, I don't know if he's going
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 4: to be giving he has a slow april and Roblist
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 4: hits the ball. You could see Canzone getting two hundred
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 4: plate appearances for the season, and that would be a
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 4: shame because I'm if he has more than three hundred
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 4: and fifty, he's going to have more than four hundred
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 4: and fifty. If they give him run, he is going
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 4: to hit the ball.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: So absolutely, So I don't know what Mike is over
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: here thinking.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 3: I mean, he was like he was a very soft
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 3: cell because like.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: My welling, now you know.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: My leader was going to be like it was a
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: little bit like the Blue Jays, where like last week
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: when we were doing the Blue Jays, I had a
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: real tough time finding somebody to sell, and like I
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: think the Mariners are like that too, that the draft
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: prices are pretty fair across the bord. And I my
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: biggest thing is it was a very babbitt Field kind
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: of season four can zone strongside platoon role in a
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: d H right now. And it's kind of goes a
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: little bit to what Sam was saying that like if
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: he can't hold this job, which he didn't do a
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: great job of doing it last year, was also aided
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: by like I was just looking like there was one
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: three run homer, three homer game against the Kansas City
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: Royals where he got to tee off on a on
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: a below par Michael Waka and Daniel Lynch and that
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: really boosted the entire line a lot. And so like
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: it's a lot of like bits of luck. I see,
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: I see what you're saying. It just need to see
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: more of it. But I don't know if he's gonna
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: get all that run because if the strikeouts come back,
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: if he can't square up the ball right, it's gonna
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: be easy. I think for the mariagers to say, hey,
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: like Dominic, good job, good effort, but you need to
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: find a different path because it's not working out right now.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: So it's also it's not a bad draft price, but
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: like I said, it's a very soft cell. I'm just
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: not a dominant canzone guy.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: All right, Well, we'll put the we'll put a wager
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: on this one later in the season. We'll we'll we'll see.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 4: Jeremy got back. I appreciate it, all right, Thanks Sam?
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 3: Thanks all right? Thanks?
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean my bye. I'm going back to the
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: top end of the draft. I'm buying cal Raley. I
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: like what we're seeing out of him, just because like
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: forty homers in one hundred RBI in the bag as
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: a catcher, that doesn't happen. And so like I'm not
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: counting on like the sixty homers, I'm not counting on
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: even fifty. You just give me forty and one hundred
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: with a two forty batting average. That's a second round pick,
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: especially when you're looking at catcher.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 3: It allows you to do a lot of different things
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 3: the rest of your draft when you lock in cal Raley.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 3: And I mean I've been finding he drops in drafts too.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: Like I got him in our first pitch Arizona DC
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: at pick twenty six in the second round, paired him
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: with Monsto, Like that was like that's a perfect one
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: two combo. And it's the same sort of thing like
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: if you find a great asset in the first round
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: and can pare him up with cal Raley and just
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: set yourself up with that type of level of a catcher,
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: I just don't see, Like at some point, I don't know,
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: like I became a believer in cal Rally last year
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: because like I was.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 3: Waiting for it to like fall apart, and then the
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 3: dude just hits.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: Like another two three taters and it's just like he's
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: so good and I just don't see how he doesn't
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: reach the forty homer mark. And when you're looking at
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: that floor at a catcher, I'll take him in the
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: second round. I've got no problem doing that. So I'm
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: buying cal Raley. I believe in him, and I think
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: that he can continue what he was doing, and they're
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: still upside when you're buying him at where he's at,
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: because if he is a fifty homer guy again, that
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: is a first rounder.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah. His home runs by month last year, not
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 4: that I know this off the top of my head,
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 4: but I do. Starting in April it was twelve eleven, ten, nine, eight, ten,
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 4: four months out of the year he hit double digit
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 4: home runs, and the month that had the All Star Game,
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 4: he had nine, and then he had a slow August
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 4: and he only hit eight that month. Like what we
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 4: saw from him last year was ridiculous. And I'll never
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 4: forget when we were ending the twenty two season and
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 4: going to the wild Card, he was playing with a
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 4: broken thumb. He was playing with injuries to his legs
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 4: like he was still some people just have it on
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 4: the baseball diamond, like some people are injured all the
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 4: time and they're like they stub their toe, they're out
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 4: for three week. Cal Rawley is not that player. He
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 4: was top twelve I think in league and played appearances
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 4: at catcher at catcher like it's just it's unreal. And
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 4: so you know, I know I said I had cal
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 4: Rawlely as my my cell, but I can't. I can't
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 4: say that I actually and for the first time in life,
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 4: I don't think I have home home biased. There all
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 4: all of their draft prices, in their top in the
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 4: top three point fifty, all of them are spot on.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 4: And anybody that you're looking after that is is a
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 4: dart throw. And it comes down to truly what you
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 4: your opinion is, and you know those are all players
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 4: that are going to get cut for fab you know,
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 4: moves if they don't work out. And so i'd buy
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 4: buy the Seattle Mariners this year, buy them. I want to.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 4: I wanted to say sell cal Ralely. I wanted I
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 4: want to, you know, like I am, I do love
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 4: that guy, But man, I can't. I can't say those words.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think who is Like the thing is where
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: he's going in drafts is like this perfect cliff of
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 2: like you've gotten through all of your like four or
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: five pure category guys that like are going to fill
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: the status sheet and then he's like the very beginning
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: of that tier where you get like Guerrero and Kurts
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: and Chisholm and Schwarber and those guys like all have
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: like a problem, right, and you just add the catcher
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: eligibility on top of it, and like they're like, well,
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: why wouldn't you do that? They all have a question
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: mark about it, they don't. I mean colt rally Stole
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: was a fourteen bases last year.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say he might be like the
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: most on basis you get out of a catcher too
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: so like there's that factor as well.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: He's incredibly slow, let's be very very clear. And so
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: I don't know if he can repeat that because you
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: think that somebody would figure that out.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: Just well he's a ball player, man, Yeah.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 3: So in fact he'll he can dage and stay in
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 3: the lineup.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: Well, I want to disagree with you if I can't.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 4: And you're talking about builds. I mean you could you
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 4: could have somebody that values pitching over Julio and you
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 4: could you could start with a Julio cow build. Yeah,
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 4: Like how nice would that be to have an elite
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 4: outfielder when the cliff happens there and to have cal
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 4: Rawley as your catcher one, Like, that's a nice build
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 4: or Julio's off the off the board, Oh I got
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 4: Garrett Crochet and cal Rawley, Like that's a nice one
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 4: to start. You get in that that ace in the pocket.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 4: So yeah, I'm with you. I want to buy him.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 4: I don't want to sell him.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 3: I like it. Brew are you who's yourself?
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 2: I'm justly sell a guy like I've just been selling
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: for years and I'm just gonna keep selling Luis Castillo
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 2: just because I don't I don't understand why people are
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: drafting Louis Castillo every single year for like six years.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: As velocity has decreased, his strikeouts have gone down, Like
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: he doesn't put the ball on the ground, Like there's
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: just lots of things here that don't do the things
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: that you should do. And with how strong that pitching
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: mechanism there is in Seattle, I just I just see
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: him like slowly fading away, and I'm just waiting for
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: the year where it truly just fades and he now
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: starts to strike out like seven per nine and the
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: ground ball rate drops like thirty five percent in the
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: home run spike, and I get in Seattle, it's hard
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: for the true home run spike. I just I think
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: he's like a four four twenty five e er a
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: type of guy, and he doesn't really help you from
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: a ratio perspective, uh a K perspective. I just he's
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: so blessed, and I just I just can't get on
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: board with Louise Casto.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I think I've sold him like four years
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 3: in a row.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: Now, So yeah, I will say that like last year
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: when we were selling him, he was like pick seventy five.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: He's picked one sixty now, so like.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 3: I'm all selling them.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I think it's fair that you can go
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: in a different route, but the price is fine as well.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: Like if you're if you've been going all high upside
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: arms and a little more injury risk and you just
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: need somebody who you know is going to post one
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: hundred and eighty innings in Seattle, I'm okay with it.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 3: And finally at that price.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 4: That that's the range where you want somebody who's going
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 4: to be good for your ratios. That's where you want
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 4: somebody who's going to be an innings eater. And the
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 4: last three years his era has been three three four,
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 4: three six four three five four. He started thirty three games,
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 4: thirty games, thirty two games. He's pitched one hundred and
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 4: ninety seven innings, one hundred and seventy five innings, one
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 4: hundred and eighty innings. His whip has been one point one,
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 4: one point one seven and one point one eight. Like
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 4: at that pick to your point, Michael, like that's I
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 4: disagree with your your cell on him, Like I appreciate
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 4: that you don't like him, just like I will always
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 4: tell Christian Walker and I didn't have to, Yeah, You're like,
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 4: we're good, like, but I'm just telling you you're wrong.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 3: Brother.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: You know who's going about like five picks before. So
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: let's let's be careful where we are in the range.
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 2: Ranger Swarz is right behind him, like there there's yeah,
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: I think he's different. Yeah, there's some better arms in
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: that same range. You drop back another few rounds, you
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: start talking to Shane Boz, Kate Hordon, Aaron Nola, different, different.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 4: I would like that stack though, of a Mayan Castillo,
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 4: because again, I know that Castillo is going to go
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 4: out there and he in tel Kate Anderson or Ryan Sloan,
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 4: who's another nasty pitcher. He's a lefty for the Mariners,
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 4: And tell one of those two come up and take
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 4: that rotation spot. Castillo is going to pitch every fifth day.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 4: He's going to go six innings. He's gonna be shaky
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 4: at some point in that game, and it's whether or
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 4: not he gives up no runs or three runs. Right
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 4: like that, we we've all, we all, we all know
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 4: Luis Castillo. So but yeah, that guy, I'm not selling him,
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 4: not selling him me.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 3: Just wait for the last team.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: We're gonna have some fun yes, good, Okay, Well let's
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: get into those Texas Rangers, who were the middest of
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: mid teams last year eighty one and eighty one, five
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: hundred on the nose. A bit disappointing, I think, considering
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: what they were all leading up to, and I mean honestly,
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: part of it is because Jack Peterson really, you know,
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: did not show up for them, even though he was
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: one of their major signings of last year. They've made
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: a couple of trades here in Texas, so they brought
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: in Brandon Nemo, shipped out Marcus Simeon, and then they've
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: also recently picked up Mackenzie Gore. Ketcher is is a
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: sore spot on this roster. They've got Danny Jansen signed
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: to be their everyday catcher, splitting those duties with Kyle Higashioka.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: They brought Chris Martin back, but that bullpen is a
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: bit of a mess right now too. It is a
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: solid rotation, I would say, a pretty solid lineup, but
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: also just kind of looking to track to be another
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: mid team because they've got pieces sometimes are healthy, sometimes
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: they aren't, and they've also just got lots of holes
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: that I don't know. It's a little bit of a
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: strange trajectory here for the Rangers, because it felt like
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: they were putting the chips in when they got to
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: Gram and then they're like trying to clos some of
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: those chips back or something. So certainly the Mackenzie Gore
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: trade was a big move, cost to them a lot
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: of prospects, but it's a solid system as well. Also,
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: maybe they're also just waiting for Sebastian Walcott to come up,
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: catch on fire and just kind.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 3: Of take over the league.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: So lots of things going on here on the Rangers.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: One of the best pitchers parks in all the leagues.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: So something to consider here. And with that, I'll open
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: it up, Sam, who's your bye?
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 4: My buye for the Rangers is going to be one
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 4: of those names that you mentioned, Brandon Nemo. I think
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 4: that coming over from the Mets, I think that that
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 4: surprises a lot of people. I know that it surprised
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 4: a lot of Mets fans. They were really upset that
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 4: Neimo was leaving. And I think that when players leave
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 4: situations like that, we're going to have a one or
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 4: two year run where he's going to play with a
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 4: chip on his shoulder. And this is somebody who regularly
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 4: hits twenty five home runs steal ten to fifteen bases, Like,
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 4: I feel like he's going to do just fine in Texas.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 4: And now that Adalis isn't there, you know, he's he's
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 4: going to be playing every days, that he's going to
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 4: get six hundred and fifty plus play appearances, and so
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 4: I think that where he's going around pick one forty two,
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 4: he's that perfect boring veteran high floor. He's not a
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 4: high ceiling player. And if you still at that point
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 4: feel like you want a high ceiling player, I totally
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 4: respect that. But I think that this is his year.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 4: He's going to have some fun in Texas and it
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 4: is a pitcher's park, but I think the Brandon Nemo
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 4: is going to do just fine there in that lineup.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think this is a solid buy.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's your boring outfielder number three to sixty
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: US average, twenty two ish homers, eighty runs ad RBI
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: plays one hundred and fifty games every season, I think,
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: and get solid. So uh, it's good sometimes to call
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: out some of those boring picks that happened in that
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: range because that is also where you can win fantasy leagues,
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: while some people are maybe taking those dart throws on
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: Sebastian Wallcott too early. If you're putting Brandon Nemo's into
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: your outfield, just stack in a bunch of guys who
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: are putting up eighty runs eighty rbi.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 3: It adds up.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: So brew who's here by here in Texas. Well, before
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 2: we go there, I have to sell. I'm say I'm
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: selling Brandon Nemo.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 3: Okay, here we go.
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: We just we have to go here because Samson come
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: back at me in a second from my bye. But Nemo,
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: he is Lane Thomas before he got traded to the Guardians.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 2: And if you look at like, honestly, go look at
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 2: the stat cast, Go look at it.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 3: It is nearly identical.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: And if you actually look at the home runs that
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: Nimo would have had because he's not, you guys thrown
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: them out there, it drops ballpark out there into like
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 2: seventeen homers instead of twenty five last year. Like, it's
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 2: a pretty substantial drop off. And I think that this
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 2: is it's gonna be a much harder transition for him
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 2: than people think. And so I think you're looking at
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 2: a guy who ends up being more like a fifteen
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 2: to ten guy that hits to fifty to sixty, and yeah,
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 2: I think a decent counting stats, but like we're talking
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 2: about the same range as like Kyle Stowers and Jacob
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 2: Marcy and think guys like that which have a ton
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: more upside. And I get that there's a floor thing
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: here with Nemo, but like I think that the upside
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: is so capped with Nemo and the floor has actually
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: come down more than people realize with that ballpark. And
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 2: I have to have to go away because, like I said,
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 2: I just it feels like lame Thomas.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 3: I just look at that profile.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 2: I really know knew when he got traded, when Dane
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 2: Thomas got traded to the Guardians, like you knew things
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: were gonna fall off, and it just feels like the
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 2: same thing. And I've I feel bad because I finally,
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: like finally got bought into Nemo, like last year, finally,
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: like I've always been at the guy's he just always
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 2: does it and they get traded and I'm like, I
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 2: just can't.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 3: I can't do it.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: So I like other guys more in the range. I
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: think the ballpark hurts a lot more than people expect,
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 2: and there's only so long that you can do just
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 2: above average and a lot of things in it not
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 2: come crashing down.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 3: So I'm out. I'm out on Brandon and Mom. I'm sorry.
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 4: You don't have to apologize. I just I'm strong disagree,
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 4: but you made really good points, and there.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 2: Is that's just typical for this podcast.
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 3: I completely disagree, but you have a valid point.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 4: Well, you know Texas's ballpark. We thought it was going
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 4: to be a neutral ballpark a couple of years ago,
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 4: and it is as it's not that way at all, right,
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 4: And I think that that's some of the underlying problems
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 4: that we have with like the cell that I have
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 4: that will bring up later. You saw that it was
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 4: starting to affect Marcus Simeon. There's a dynamic I think
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 4: when you're in one of those ballparks that you try
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 4: harder than you normally would because you're not quite getting
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 4: the results that you're used to. That's the way that
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 4: I feel about players that come to the Mariners, that
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 4: come to Seattle, that they want to prove that that
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 4: ballpark's not going to have an effect on them, and
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 4: it's like, no, no, dude, you just need to play
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 4: your game. It's ninety fifth percentile right now, You're not
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 4: going to be at one hundred percent. Even if you're
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 4: at one hundred percent, like, it's just not a thing.
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 4: So I can see that being real for Nemo, that
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 4: Nemo leaves has this chip on his shoulder and sets
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 4: himself up to push himself too hard and let it
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 4: instead of being that seasoned veteran that lets the game
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 4: come to him. I think he's going to have a
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 4: good year. But I can't disagree with anything that you said.
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 2: All right, well, let's try again then, because I'm buying
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 2: Corey Seeger. So Corey Seger, let's hear me out. This
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 2: is the same argument we just had a little bit ago,
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 2: which is, this is a guy that from twenty twenty
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 2: two through twenty twenty five thirty three homers, thirty three homers,
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 2: thirty homers. Last year, I get it was twenty one.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 2: The guy had appendicitus. Give him a break, And I'm like,
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure you can't have that one twice, so
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: I'm not too worried about the injury recurring. But hey,
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 2: I'm not a doctor, so what do I know. And
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 2: this is a guy whose plate discipline got better last year. Uh,
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 2: he is a true two seventy to two eighty hitter,
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 2: and he has seemed to somehow do decent with that ballpark.
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 2: There was also hitting coach change last year. When that happened,
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 2: he like, actually he got considerably better after the hitting
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 2: coach change mid season, and then his appendix first, and
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 2: that that's all she wrote. So I think there's more
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 2: upside here. And Seeger he is aging a little bit
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 2: the same exact arguments I just had. I'm gonna own
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 2: this with Nemo and the ballpark and things do kind
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 2: of scare me. But we're talking about the eleventh shortstop
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 2: off the board behind Jeremy Payne Payinia. You know, we're
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 2: in the Trevor story, Boba Schett territory. I don't think
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 2: you're gonna find many other guys that could probably hit
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 2: thirty thirty five home runs and hit almost two to
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 2: eighty and knock in almost one hundred runs. Granted he's
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 2: never done that in his career, so I get it.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 2: So there's an injury risk. I get all that, But
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 2: I think the price finally for Coryus years about right.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 2: And I if it was a true injury last year,
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 2: I'd be like, yeah, we're out, but I mean, come on,
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 2: give the guy a break. He's appendix first.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 4: Oh oh okay, No, I don't want I'm having this
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 4: back on nearby. This is a player who has been
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 4: averaging the last three seasons roughly one hundred and fifteen
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 4: games a season. He's not he hasn't been able to
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 4: stay on the field, and I agree with you. He
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 4: is dynamic when he is on the field. He makes
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 4: incredible contact and he did that his first year in Texas.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 4: The year before that, he only made ninety five games
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 4: with LA. We won't talk about the twenty twenty season.
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 4: So him staying on the field is a beggar can
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 4: concerned for me, and I agree with you. He is
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 4: the eleventh shortstop taking off of the board. But I
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 4: would much rather have Trevor Story, who's going right at
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 4: the same place that he is. For the most part,
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 4: I would much rather. I've already talked about my love
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 4: for Colson Montgomery. I'd much rather wait one hundred places
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 4: than put something on Corey Seeger, because you at that
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 4: point in the draft, you're still in your first ten rounds.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 4: It's round eight, round nine, whatever that is you want
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 4: or seven. Sorry, that's round seven. You want somebody that
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 4: you know is going to play one hundred and forty
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 4: plus games. You want, you want those plate appearances, and
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 4: I just if he gets those in twenty six, it's
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 4: going to happen on somebody else's roster. I'm gonna be
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 4: like hot damn Jeremy Brewer, look at the big book
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 4: on Jeremy. But like, man, no, I'm.
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's still more time in this podcast with the
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 2: guy that drafts like every injured pitcher, I say, my
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 2: injury college.
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 3: Is pretty That's another factor though.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: You gotta know your draft style, your roster management style,
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: and if you know you can fill the back end
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: your roster to make up for those that month that
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: Corey Steger is gonna miss with a hammy.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I think you can go for it.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: But yeah, if you don't want to go that route,
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: you want somebody who's your starring shortstop, you don't have
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: to worry about that, then yeah, I can understand not
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: being in on sneakers.
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 2: So I think it's a very key point because my
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: draft ridge I think you heard earlier, like early rounds,
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 2: I am all about floor making sure I'm filling my
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 2: categories like I have a solid, solid team and then
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 2: I start taking risk in those mid to late rounds
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 2: to try to get my upsides to deal with that.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 2: And so you're absolutely right if you don't draft that way,
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: Corey Seager could be a terrible, terrible idea if you're
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: taking risk.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 4: Early well, and and if your story plays out like
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 4: that's that's and it's not an unbelievable story. It's not
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 4: like you're saying cal Rawley's going to hit sixty home runs,
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 4: you know, but it's if he If he does that,
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 4: he's absolutely a bye at that pick. You know, Corey
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 4: has has the ability to be a top four round pick.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 4: You know, I don't think he's ever going to be
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 4: top two, but he could come through with two hundred
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 4: counting stats this year and a two eighty average plus
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 4: and you know, thirty bombs and a and a handful
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 4: of steals. Like I'll take Corey Seeger with that every day.
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: All right, Coolly, you've heard enough with Sam and I
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: disagreed on the on our two.
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 3: You guys are ready for mind?
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 2: You like, would you like to join this this discussion
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 2: with any bye or so at this at this point here.
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 4: We go Yeah, we cancel each other.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 3: So well, basically you get to make the choices.
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: Then we're going by first. We'll go buy first. I'm
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: going Jake Berger first baseman. He is going off the
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: board around pick two seventy five, and yeah, he was.
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: You want to talk about having a tough season for
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: injuries last year, Jake Berger went through the gauntlet. He
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: had an oblique, he had a hamstring, he had a wrist,
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: just never kind of got into a groove, never got going.
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: And even with that, everything's fine under the hood. The
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: barrel rate, the hard hit rate, the bat speed, the
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: sprint speed, the sprint speed that we love of Jake Berger,
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: it's all there, baby. And so he was, even with
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: all those injuries, on pace in his at bats to
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 1: put up a mid twenties homer season.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 3: And he got going, especially.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: More towards the lay of the season, where in my
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: waiver Wire column he came in and out of the
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: waiver wire a couple times during the season because of
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: like the poor performance and the injuries, and then putting
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: it back together at the.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 3: End of the season. He's got no.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: Competition at first base right now, especially with Ortiz being
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: shipped out to the Washington Nationals, And yeah, I think
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: you're looking for a big bounce back season for Jake Berger,
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: getting back to that two fifty average, getting to thirty
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: homers at pick two seventy five. It's a great value.
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: And we've talked about a few times the back end
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 1: of first base, in corner, infield is tough this year.
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 1: Why not go with Jake Berger and make it easy
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: for yourself.
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 2: The only thing I want to say here is saying,
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 2: if you don't have the spot page picked up, we
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 2: have to play a game.
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 3: We have to play a game.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: We do this on the podcast quite often, which is
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 2: name the sprint speed of this player. So for Jake Berger,
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 2: if you don't haven't looked at before, what's Jake Berger's
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 2: sprint speed? Ten percentile? Yeah, with the percentile, I got
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: to come with ten.
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 4: I got to come within ten percent.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 2: Within ten percent. So you got a twenty point range here.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 4: So so, Michael, you you in your effusive description of
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 4: the burner Jake Berger, I've never known him to be
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 4: a burner. That's not a thing that I've heard. So
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 4: I feel like this is a setup, like I'm being
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 4: pushed one way on the teeter but the totter is
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 4: gonna go the other way, So I am gonna say
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 4: twentieth percentile.
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 2: Jake Burger is sixty third percentile.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: Sprint speed a front door, he says, fast as Ronald Lacunya,
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: God bless America.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 4: You are kidding. That sounds like Luke Rayley when like
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 4: you see all the elbos and knees coming at you
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 4: and then you're like, oh, you're really.
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 2: Fast and that was the slowest year in three years.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, same sprint speed as Joe Adel.
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 4: Totally, you guys, totally nailed me.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 2: One of our favorite pastimes on this podcast is named
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 2: that sprint speed because it's it's always like I know
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 2: that you're trying to trick me here and you still
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 2: can't get it right.
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 4: No, I was way off one tick.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 3: Faster than James Wood.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 1: Jake Burger is like the patron saying the other patriot
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 1: sing of this for us is Shae Langleirs. Shay Langlears
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 1: is a speedy dude, so.
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 2: They don't know how to steal a base and they
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 2: can't get a jump, so it doesn't really matter.
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: But it I mean it, it's good for doubles and singles,
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: especially for you know, somebody who needs to get to
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: those bases and try to add some slug So I
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 1: like it. Okay, guys, ready for.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 4: Myself, Jake Berger, So yeah, go ahead, I'm.
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 3: Going back to the well again. Josh Young.
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: You want to talk about who's about to lose their
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: job to spashion Walcott?
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 3: Look out, Josh Young.
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: You're going to be twenty eight next week, so happy birthday,
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: as I sell you, But I don't see it. There's
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: nothing in this profile. I like, he plays in a
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: terrible hitters park, he doesn't have the juice to hit it,
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: and you just kind of add up like he wasn't
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 1: even injured. Really that last year he put up five
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: hundred eleven paid appearances and it was just nothing. It
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: was a ninety one wrs plus fourteen homers two fifty
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 1: one average. There's nothing redeeming in this Josh Young profile.
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: And I'm just totally out because I think what's going
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 1: to happen is I mean, the only thing that he's
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: probably got a leg up on Walcott right now is
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: that he does place alid third base defense.
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 3: But if the.
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: Rangers are grasping again for Straws and they're battling the
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 1: five hundred mark and they need a little bit of
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: a shot in the arm. I think they're gonna say,
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 1: you know, Josh Young, thanks for what you put in.
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: You're starting to get a little bit long in the
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: tooth for us. It's time to go to Bastian Walcott
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: and try to find that lightning in a bottle. So
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: I'm worried about the.
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 3: Floor really falling out on Josh Young.
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: And even if they're you know, you gave me the
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty games out Josh Young, I don't
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: think it's gonna be anything special. There's it's barely an
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 1: accumulating kind of profile where it's starting to feel a
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: little bit like Cabrian Hayes with a little more power,
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: where it's like people want to Josh Young to happen,
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 1: but there's nothing underneath the hood that says that Josh
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: Young should really be a star in this league.
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 4: I can't believe he's twenty eight years old. I know,
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 4: like when you said that out loud, I was like,
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 4: you're talking about the kid in Texas.
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 3: Yes, it's next week.
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 2: That twenty twenty three season was so so tempting. Oh,
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 2: it's just so so poor, Like I want to disagree
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 2: with you because I like I've been on Just Young
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 2: for like two years now, and like, no, this is
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 2: gonna be the year like every literally every metrics says
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 2: it's not going to be. I'm like, I know, I
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 2: can't be that wrong. Yeah, it's like no, it's I
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 2: think we're done here.
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 4: That's a good call.
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 3: So that's going to wrap us up for the al West.
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 3: And we did it, guys. We put together all of
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 3: our picks.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 1: We had some retreads, we had some good arguments, we
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 1: had some good agreements. But with that, let's what wrap
• 1:47:37
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• 1:47:39
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• 1:47:43
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• 1:47:46
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• 1:47:50
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• 1:47:56
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  Speaker 3: That's fantastic. Well, yeah, thanks again for joining us on
• 1:48:44
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