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RFK and The Girl In The Polka Dot Dress · Conspiracy! The Show

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Conspiracy The Show with your hosts Adam Todd
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  Speaker 1: Brown and Connor mcsnabbin.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome to Conspiracy The Show. I'm Adam Todd Brown.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Connor Connor mcspadden. Yeah, I didn't know if Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: the full name Connor Paul mcspaden. I didn't know your
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  Speaker 2: middle name was Paul.
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  Speaker 3: It is, yeah, after my great grandfather.
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  Speaker 4: Interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of a it's an alrighty middle name.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't come up much.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not a naming here a lot anymore. No,
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  Speaker 4: it's kind of an older name.
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  Speaker 2: And it's got conspiracy overtones because of Paul McCartney.
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  Speaker 4: It does. Yeah, who is dead, which we all know.
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  Speaker 4: We've covered this.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean his career if nothing else, Like, he
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  Speaker 2: hasn't made a decent album in years, but he always
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  Speaker 2: has one good He always has one banger on all
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  Speaker 2: the new albums. I feel like, yeah, yeah, that dance
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  Speaker 2: Tonight's song was pretty solid. My middle name was almost Jeffrey,
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  Speaker 2: and I wonder what my life would have been like
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  Speaker 2: if I had.
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  Speaker 4: Been a CJ. I'm not a CJ, but if I
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  Speaker 4: was born a.
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  Speaker 2: CJ, that'd be'd be weird dj mcpet DJ Mack.
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  Speaker 4: I would probably go by, oh, you'd have like frosted tips.
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  Speaker 3: I would, yeah for sure, be like a tweeto somehow
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  Speaker 3: despite having no Italian blood in me.
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  Speaker 2: So we're talking today, this is gonna be so fucking
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  Speaker 2: interesting because this is a case I have looked almost
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  Speaker 2: nothing into.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well it's a crazy, it's there's it's not a
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  Speaker 3: rife as as his brothers.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, I well I think this one is the
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  Speaker 2: more obvious. Well, since we brought up his brother obviously
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  Speaker 2: we're talking about the assassination of Robert F.
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  Speaker 4: Kennedy, the other JFK.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I might say my favorite politician. I fucking love
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  Speaker 2: our FK man. Yeah, he was a he was a tiger.
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  Speaker 3: I'm kind of a I kind of know if I'm
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  Speaker 3: an optimist, but I really do like to believe that
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  Speaker 3: there are people that try to do, you know, good
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  Speaker 3: things that get shot.
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  Speaker 4: You know.
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  Speaker 3: I like to think that there, you know, there's some
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  Speaker 3: level of fucking uh civic duty being fulfilled.
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  Speaker 4: But there's some great there's a great.
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  Speaker 3: Fucking town hall by RFK when he was first running
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  Speaker 3: for Senate in New York that you can watch on YouTube.
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  Speaker 4: That I very much recommended. He's just cracking jokes.
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  Speaker 3: He's just kind of this like sheepish, like cute little
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  Speaker 3: fucking boy, and he's just like and they're like, are
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  Speaker 3: you just using this as a platform to run for president?
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  Speaker 4: He's like, I don't know when I runna win.
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  Speaker 3: No shucks. You know, it's fucking it's great. He gets
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  Speaker 3: some good one of good lines and stuff. It's it's
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  Speaker 3: fucking I love I love our FK speeches. I'm a
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  Speaker 3: big fan of the guy. He's fucking very interesting dude.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was uh, one of the few people that
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  Speaker 2: seemed to really have the ability to unite people at
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  Speaker 2: that time.
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  Speaker 4: He really did.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean yeah, if you listen to that speech
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  Speaker 3: he gives after Martin Luther King gets shot, He's talking
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  Speaker 3: to an all black audience, and it's like, fuck, that
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  Speaker 3: was that was a that was a tough night to tough,
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  Speaker 3: tough occasion.
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  Speaker 4: But he really crushed it. Yeah, yeah, he was. He
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  Speaker 4: was great.
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  Speaker 2: And the the details around his death. I had never
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  Speaker 2: looked into him, but holy shit. You know what bums
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  Speaker 2: me out is that hotel because this happened in La
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  Speaker 2: it has been torn down. I would have I would
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  Speaker 2: have gone the ship too. Oh yeah, all the ambassador.
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  Speaker 2: I don't ambassador.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I forget what's there now, but someone told me
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  Speaker 3: one time it's something fucking ridiculous. Yeah, because the Hooters
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  Speaker 3: Welcome to capitalism.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that wouldn't surprise me at all. And also, at
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  Speaker 2: the end of this episode, we're gonna take more questions
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  Speaker 2: for Alex.
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  Speaker 4: Jones I sucking lozenges.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna read your questions. So let's get into the
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  Speaker 2: RFK assassination. Let's, as we usually do, start with the
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  Speaker 2: details of the official story, the official explanation, almost the
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  Speaker 2: almost the name of this podcast, the official story. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and as much as we say it, it maybe should
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  Speaker 2: have been. But we're fine. Least people know it's a
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  Speaker 2: conspiracy podcast. Yeah, we got it in the name.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, seo bitch.
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  Speaker 2: After Martin Luther King Junior was assassinated in the spring
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  Speaker 2: of sixty eight, protests broke out all around the country,
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  Speaker 2: as you can imagine, and LBJ decided not to seek
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  Speaker 2: a second term. I don't know what it was about
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  Speaker 2: him that he thought he wasn't gonna win in that
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  Speaker 2: electoral climate, but he decided to not even fucking bother
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  Speaker 2: a lot of it did have to do with the
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  Speaker 2: war in Vietnam, though, Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And how he was handling that.
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  Speaker 5: And he was just like, God, damn it, I just
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  Speaker 5: want to smoke cigarettes.
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  Speaker 3: He'd bacon and fuck you do it, Humphries exactly, dude,
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  Speaker 3: that's a fucking great thing about LVJ. As soon as
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  Speaker 3: he got out of office, he's on Marine one being
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  Speaker 3: flown away. Nixon has just taken the oath and he
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  Speaker 3: immediately lights a cigarette, which means he had someone play
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  Speaker 3: he's had, so one of his aides get him cigarettes.
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  Speaker 3: He's like, these are my I'm done being president cigarettes
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  Speaker 3: lights what. His daughter's like, the fuck, Dad, you haven't
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  Speaker 3: smoked since you had a heart attack.
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  Speaker 4: And he's like, yeah, I'm done. I'm out. It's all
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  Speaker 4: steak and fucking tobacco for now.
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  Speaker 2: On probably being president that gave him the heart of
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  Speaker 2: attack anyway.
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  Speaker 3: No, yeah, he had a heart attack before, because I
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  Speaker 3: read a really fucking great letter that Hubert Humphrey wrote
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  Speaker 3: him after he got the heart attack at the LBJ Museum.
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  Speaker 3: And he's being such a kiss ass. He's just like,
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  Speaker 3: I trembled to think of a Senate without Linda B.
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  Speaker 3: Johnson and so you're also very handsome. Yeah, it was
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  Speaker 3: the most it was the bitchiest damn thing you ever read.
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  Speaker 4: In your life.
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  Speaker 3: But it's a good history anyway. Yeah, so he decides
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  Speaker 3: not to run. He decides not to run.
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  Speaker 2: Speech RFK was he was considered, like I said, one
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  Speaker 2: of the few people who could actually unite the public
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  Speaker 2: at this time.
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  Speaker 4: So I mean obviously he had to die. Uh sure.
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  Speaker 2: Just after midnight on June fifth, nineteen sixty eight, after
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  Speaker 2: addressing a crowd of supporters at the Ambassador Hotel who
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  Speaker 2: were there to celebrate his win in the California primary,
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  Speaker 2: he was being escorted through the kitchen by Olympic athlete
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  Speaker 2: Rafer Johnson and NFL star Roosevelt Greer.
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  Speaker 4: Very weird.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's weird that he had just this like all
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  Speaker 3: star fucking bodyguard team.
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  Speaker 6: You know.
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  Speaker 4: Well that's how much people liked him, Like this was.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he was a fucking like he had like if
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  Speaker 3: they had Q scorps back then, he would have been
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  Speaker 3: off the charts.
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  Speaker 2: Like imagine right now if there was a really prominent
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  Speaker 2: black athlete who paired up with a white politician just
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  Speaker 2: over there stance on civil rights.
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  Speaker 3: Oh that's almost like Bernie and like Killer Mic from
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  Speaker 3: Run the Jewels, that kind of relationship.
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  Speaker 4: That's kind of like that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's fucking interesting because did one of the fucking
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  Speaker 3: most hilarious things Hillary Clinton has ever said is they're
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  Speaker 3: asking her why she hadn't dropped out of the primaries
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  Speaker 3: in two thousand and eight, you know, because it was
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  Speaker 3: the math was looking bad for or whatever, and then
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  Speaker 3: she was just.
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  Speaker 4: Like, well, Robert Kennedy was murdered. It was just like, oh, Hillary,
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  Speaker 4: you evil bitch. I love you. That's such a great answer, though,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, and it's here's the thing, kind of valid.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, like yeah, I mean, yeah, it's perfect perfectly valid.
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  Speaker 2: This guy she was running against Obama too.
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  Speaker 4: Dude, Yeah, yeah, he kind of like a far I had,
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  Speaker 4: you know, lived to be mediocre. But no, I like Obama.
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  Speaker 4: But uh, you're right, dude.
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  Speaker 3: I was fucking I was watching we forget how much
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  Speaker 3: goddamn swag eight Obama had. I was watching the clip
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  Speaker 3: of him at the debates. It was John Edwards was
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  Speaker 3: still at it. I remember, because they asked him about
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  Speaker 3: Bill Clinton being the first black president. He gives a
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  Speaker 3: very thoughtful answer, you know, or whatever about how he's
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  Speaker 3: deserved to be a friend of the black community. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: and then he just says, I'd like to investigate further
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  Speaker 3: Bill's dancing ability, so you know, and just fucking murdering,
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  Speaker 3: and you're like, God, damn, dude, I remember this guy
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  Speaker 3: was the truth.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you could tell. Like year two.
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  Speaker 3: I remember very phystinctly watching wood press conference when I
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  Speaker 3: was a kid, and I was just like, oh, he
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  Speaker 3: lost him. Man, he's fucking tired. Obama is not good
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  Speaker 3: enough sleep. You know, he's smoking again. But then you
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  Speaker 3: got to swagger back by the end. Yeah he did.
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  Speaker 4: He did. So.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, secret Service protection at the time didn't extend to
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  Speaker 2: presidential candidates, which is interesting because that just seems like
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  Speaker 2: a no brainer now. But I guess at that point
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  Speaker 2: they're just like, I know, you're fucking on your own. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and especially hot on the heels of JFK being assassinated,
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  Speaker 2: you would think they'd at least put a little extra
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  Speaker 2: protection around the brother of the press.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, for sure, I would hire private people.
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  Speaker 2: If I was like, if I had had lunch with
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  Speaker 2: the candidates, I'd be like, Okay, I'm gonna need to
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  Speaker 2: be fucking mobbed up.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, because That's that's the thing too.
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  Speaker 2: I bet he could have hired I mean, he obviously
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  Speaker 2: could have hired private security.
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  Speaker 3: And everything I've read about him, they talk about him
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  Speaker 3: like he's making speech and he's like, no, I want
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  Speaker 3: to go out and touch people. I want to show
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  Speaker 3: him that I'm not afraid, you know, yeah, like a
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  Speaker 3: ball or move not maybe not a smart one, but
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  Speaker 3: it's also just like, yeah, that's probably what made him
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  Speaker 3: so fucking beloved.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but sometimes it's the better move for the people
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  Speaker 2: to be a little afraid.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, No, for sure. Sometimes.
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  Speaker 3: Oh dude, if you want to see the greatest episode
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  Speaker 3: of Curb Your Enthusiasm they were having in real life,
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  Speaker 3: watch the movie Mitt on Netflix, where it's about Mitt
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  Speaker 3: Romney and the campaigns losing the election. It's a great moment,
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  Speaker 3: many great moments in the movie Mit that I fucking
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  Speaker 3: enjoy a lot. But the last, the last scene is
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  Speaker 3: him just trying to tell the secret Service detail. He's like,
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  Speaker 3: you guys, don't have to drive me back to the house.
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  Speaker 3: No one's gonna chewed me. It's people have already forgotten
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  Speaker 3: who I am.
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  Speaker 4: I just want.
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  Speaker 3: To give the issue vague statements of concern over the
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  Speaker 3: national climate in fucking dying Utah, like and you guys
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  Speaker 3: just buzz off and they're just like, we have to
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  Speaker 3: do it. He's like, okay, fucking fine, thanks guys, I
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  Speaker 3: got I gift. I left you the gift card.
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  Speaker 2: You guys all got your Amazon gift cards from Okay later.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I want to watch that. I That movie rips
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  Speaker 4: so hard.
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  Speaker 2: There's a great moment where he's losing the first time
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  Speaker 2: around and they're like, I'm always the I'm always the
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  Speaker 2: flip flopper.
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  Speaker 4: And the Mormon.
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  Speaker 2: And then then they're like, well, yeah, you could you know,
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  Speaker 2: change your a llegend's yeah, I wouldn't havep flip flopping.
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  Speaker 4: Then again they robbing me. You're pretty funny, dude. A
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  Speaker 4: good point. Yeah, it's a good line.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, no secret Service protection. So they're going through
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  Speaker 2: the kitchen just before they reach the rear exit a
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  Speaker 2: twenty two year old palace exit. But just before they
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  Speaker 2: reach the rear exit.
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  Speaker 4: A twenty two while I'm drinking Adam no air horns
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  Speaker 4: while I'm drinking A.
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  Speaker 2: Twenty two year old Palestinian man named Sirhan. Sirhan stepped
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  Speaker 2: to step forward with a rolled up campaign poster. He
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  Speaker 2: was hungry, like the okay, it concealed a twenty two revolver.
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  Speaker 2: He was a good way to shoot a politician though,
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  Speaker 2: fucking smart. Yeah, strategy. Yeah, he was a foot away
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  Speaker 2: from Kennedy when he fired several shots. A note in
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  Speaker 2: his pocket revealed he was angry at Kennedy over a
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  Speaker 2: deal to sell arms to Israel.
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  Speaker 4: Robert F. Kennedy died the next day.
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  Speaker 3: I've talked about this book a lot, but in that
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  Speaker 3: book To Brothers by David Talbot, they're talking about like
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  Speaker 3: the people that were with him while he was dying.
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  Speaker 4: They're just like, you're just like Jack, Jack, and you're like,
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  Speaker 4: oh Jesus Christ, dude.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well I almost I took it out of the notes.
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  Speaker 2: But I read an article while I was researching this
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  Speaker 2: about that waiter who's in that really famous picture of
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  Speaker 2: him after he's already on the floor, and that waiter
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  Speaker 2: who's cradling his head, and that guy is in his
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  Speaker 2: fifties or sixties now, and he still is fucking wrecked
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  Speaker 2: over that because he's like, if I didn't stop him
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  Speaker 2: to shake his hand, would he maybe have not got
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  Speaker 2: oh god?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: And then like it's not just this isn't just like
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  Speaker 3: a guy that died. I mean not to diminish that
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  Speaker 3: if that's what it was, but it's also like the
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  Speaker 3: trajectory of human history right altered.
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  Speaker 4: As right right, super duper altered.
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  Speaker 2: This was not any of this was the Nixon election,
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  Speaker 2: Like this was a big deal. And one of the
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  Speaker 2: last things he said to this kid, uh, he was like,
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  Speaker 2: Kennedy was looking around and he said, is everything okay?
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  Speaker 2: And then he looked at the kid and said, Everything's
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  Speaker 2: gonna be okay.
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  Speaker 4: It's brutal. So yeah, that would that would fuck a
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  Speaker 4: person word, but it bears repeating. There's a joy and read.
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  Speaker 3: The MSNBC host, who I have mixed feelings about, was
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  Speaker 3: on a podcast and she was talking to like future
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  Speaker 3: prospects for the like the Democratic Party. She's like, I
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  Speaker 3: think Joe Kennedy the third is a star if he
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  Speaker 3: wants to run, but I would hate to ask him
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  Speaker 3: to since his family's given so much already.
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  Speaker 4: And she's I'm just like, you're just.
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  Speaker 2: Acknowledging that anytime a Kennedy runs for president or is president,
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  Speaker 2: they will get shot in the head.
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  Speaker 4: Like is that what you're implying there that's got weird.
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  Speaker 2: That's she's making a good point though, Yeah, you want
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  Speaker 2: to put another kid up to possibly get assassiny. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 2: when Teddy ran against Jimmy Carter, and it's weird when
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  Speaker 2: you read about Jimmy Carter actually kind of an asshole,
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  Speaker 2: very so.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, he was just like, oh, whoop his ass, boy,
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  Speaker 4: that's what he said there, like I'll whoop his ass. Oh.
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  Speaker 2: So, let's talk about some of the problems with the
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  Speaker 2: official story.
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  Speaker 4: And aren't there always problems?
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  Speaker 2: There are so many problems with this one though. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: the just the medical evidence points to the fact that
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  Speaker 2: something other than what they say actually happened. Because the
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  Speaker 2: medical evidence shows that Kennedy was shot four times from
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  Speaker 2: behind from a distance of one to six inches. The
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  Speaker 2: fatal shot entered one inch behind Kennedy's right ear. All
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  Speaker 2: witnesses place Seirhan in front of Kennedy. Yeah, that's that's weird.
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  Speaker 3: Well, like everyone that if you want to kill Kennedy,
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  Speaker 3: you gotta have like magic kryptonite bullets.
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  Speaker 4: Apparently they have to defy fallistics.
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  Speaker 2: So not a single witness put Seirhan's gun closer than
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  Speaker 2: one foot from Kennedy's head. Most witnesses say it was
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  Speaker 2: more like three feet away. I think I put the
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  Speaker 2: video clip in here. But there's a really great A
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  Speaker 2: and E documentary from a long time ago that apparently
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  Speaker 2: only aired once, and they tear the official story fucking apart.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and fucking from what we learned of the
• 13:43
  Speaker 2: DV Cooper episode about the you know, like TV documentaries
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  Speaker 2: and the FBI, there may have been a little bit
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  Speaker 2: of hush money exchange. Yeah, that's probably why it only
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  Speaker 2: aired once. Yeah, But in that's so in that one,
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  Speaker 2: there's a cop who's being interviewed about it, and he
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  Speaker 2: keeps saying over and over that the shots were fired
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  Speaker 2: from in front, from like two to three feet away. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and all the medical like it's not like rumors say,
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  Speaker 2: the medical evidence shows like, no, it's the official report
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  Speaker 2: shows he was shot from one inch behind his ear.
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  Speaker 2: There were gunpowder burns on his fucking head. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 2: yeah yeah, and the gunpowdered ricocheted off the wallpaper and
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  Speaker 2: he came back around and it's like a thing of
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  Speaker 2: like so some dude in a dude walked over to
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  Speaker 2: the A Andy offices and he just was like puts
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  Speaker 2: his briefcase down on the desk. He's like, thanks for
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  Speaker 2: seeing me on such Not sure noticed.
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  Speaker 4: So tell me you guys like.
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  Speaker 2: Making TV, like being alive and having families, these cobbies
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  Speaker 2: that you enjoy.
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  Speaker 3: Here's the thing. He did great ratings on that Bobby
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  Speaker 3: Kennedy documentary. I gotta tell you, I watched it, didn't
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  Speaker 3: like what I.
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  Speaker 2: Saw, and the rest is no longer hissory. Yeah. Uh so,
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  Speaker 2: based just on that, just on the fact that medical
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  Speaker 2: evidence showed shots from behind, all witnesses say sir Haun
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  Speaker 2: was in front. In his memoir, former La County corner
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: Thomas Nogucci, who was the corner at the time, says, thus,
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: I have never said that Siirhan Siirhan killed Robert Kennedy.
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: So that's crazy.
• 15:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah. There's also the bullets.
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: There were seven bullets that were recovered from six victims
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: in the pantry. Another bullet was lost somewhere embedded in
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: the ceiling, so that fits he was carrying a gun
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: that held eight bullets. The problem is there's an FBI
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: agent who also photographed four additional bullet holes in the pantry.
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: This concerned the LAPD to the point that nine years
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: later they asked the FBI to retract the claim. The
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: FBI has never retracted that claim. Wow, so that's something.
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: It's fucking it really is like every one hour of
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: crime drama, like when you whenever you read about the shit,
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: it's like there is like huge rivalries between local law
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: enforcements and at the federal level, and then you know
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: between the FBI and the CIA and the federal goverment.
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: It's like they're all kind of like fuck you, I
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: can handle this the best. Yeah, you know, so, I mean,
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: just like shit like this, and like but you're not
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: helping anybody at all. You're all you're all like do it.
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: You're all just getting in the way and turning this
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: into a three stooges situation.
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: I thought this part was really interesting. A man named
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: Stanislav Prishinsky was accidentally recording audio at the scene, which
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: right there I heard that and was like, now that
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: makes no sense, but there's video of what happened. He
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: was recording Kennedy's speech and just picked up his tape
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: recorder and started walking away without stopping the recording. So
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: when he was walking through the kitchen, he was still recording.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: And it's really crude audio, but an audio expert examined
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: that recording and found evidence of thirteen shots, including two
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: pairs of shots that happened too close together to have
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: come from the same gun. And this guy, we can't
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: watch all of this because it's kind of long, but
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: this guy explains it pretty well out and uh, this
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: is actually an epilogue to a documentary we'll mention later
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: called RFK Must Die. So this is evidence that wasn't
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: even in that original documentary, which is also pretty fucking compelling.
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: Uh, Phil Van Prague.
• 17:16
  Speaker 6: Known recording of the actual gunshots was this recording made
• 17:22
  Speaker 6: by mister Prazinski, and which is somewhat ironic in that
• 17:26
  Speaker 6: Prazinski was not aware at the time he made the
• 17:28
  Speaker 6: recording that he in fact was still recording. He had
• 17:32
  Speaker 6: set up his microphone and his cassette recorder up at
• 17:35
  Speaker 6: the podium area, had recorded Kennedy's victory. Let's go after
• 17:40
  Speaker 6: that concluded, back up to the podium.
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: Let's go to the ketchup bone and his recorder lobby.
• 17:49
  Speaker 6: At which the shooting began. He continued to walk into
• 17:53
  Speaker 6: the entryway to.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: That place looks old buildings, like here's the tape.
• 18:07
  Speaker 6: This is a poor recording, and that's.
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: On that's saying that's would have been mildly.
• 18:12
  Speaker 6: This had been a high quality recording maybe, but professional
• 18:15
  Speaker 6: equipment right on the scene and as it was happening in.
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: The let's get to where this guy is not so
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: we have to make do.
• 18:22
  Speaker 6: With what we have. Over this period of the last
• 18:25
  Speaker 6: three years, what I found was basically three different discoveries.
• 18:31
  Speaker 6: The first discovery was thirteen shots sounds over a little
• 18:36
  Speaker 6: bit over a.
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: Five second see this guy, I trust, Yeah, Like he's a.
• 18:39
  Speaker 6: Two shots and then this is about one in a
• 18:42
  Speaker 6: third second.
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: And he's used Audacity, just like we do seeding shots.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: What kind of expert doesn't use the best available free
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: software on the march I was about to.
• 18:51
  Speaker 6: Dayah, part of the shot sequence.
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: Right up doesn't use what the twelve year olds use
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: to make YouTube videos about their Xbox Live exploits, so
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: you can hear the shots.
• 19:08
  Speaker 6: Yeah. Discovery was that within those thirteen shots sounds, there
• 19:13
  Speaker 6: are two instances of what I call double shots, and
• 19:15
  Speaker 6: those are two shots that occur so close together as
• 19:19
  Speaker 6: to make it really very difficult to believe how they
• 19:23
  Speaker 6: could have possibly come from a single gun.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: So that guy that video. You can go watch the
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: rest if you want. It's called epilogue to RFK Must Die,
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: and it's an examination of this recording this guy made.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: And this guy also is convinced that there were multiple
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: shots fired in that room.
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: More shots were fired in that room.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean, I know he's talking about the
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: double shots, but it sounds like more than seven, even
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: just to the fucking trend ear. Yeah and yeah, there's
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: also the A and E documentary. It's narrated by goddamn
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: Bill Curtis.
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: Oud you didn't see nothing, narrated by Ill Curtis. Who's
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: Bill Curtis.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, he's the narrator and anchorman an anchorman, but
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: he's also the narrator on like Forensic Files and all
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: these really famous he's.
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: Just like a like a pro ass narrator.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, he's just got he's got the the golden voice.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: Nice And if you can go out and find that,
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: which you can, it's on YouTube. Watch that you will
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: learn a lot about this conspiracy. Let's talk about one
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: of my favorite details though, the girl in the polka
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: dot dress. Oh that sounds damn it. Why isn't this
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: the more popular conspiracy theory. No, this sounds like a
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: fucking great Susie in the Banshee. So oh, I want
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: to fucking have sex to this song. Uh so this
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: the girl in the polka dot dress. One thing I
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: like about it is every word of it feels true
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: to me, even though it's a crazy fucking story.
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah it's bananas. Uh.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: The idea that Sir Hans Sir Han had been was
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: under hypnosis of some sort when he committed this crime
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: has floated around forever. Yeah, this is a quote from
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: LAPD officer Randolph Adare. The guy was real confused. It
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: was like it didn't exactly hit him what he had done.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: He had a black, glassed over look on his face,
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: like he wasn't in complete control of his mind at
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: the time.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, I mean I think I feel like i'd
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: look pretty out of sorts if I was killing, you know,
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: a senator.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: But I get that he had been hypnotized around the
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: time of the assassination, because he had already said he
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: was hypnotized. So they figured, hey, let's hypnotize him again and.
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: See anything lose.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, see if we can get him to confess. But
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: the problem is both times his defense and the prosecution.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: When they hypnotized him, they did it with the assumption
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: that he was guilty. Yeah, so they hypnotized him going
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: in and just basically said, all right, you're hypnotized now,
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: so confess, tell us what happened. And he never did.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: He never confessed under those circumstances. But he was interviewed
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: under hypnosis again at a later point in a more
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: open ended way, and he remembered meeting a girl in
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: a polka dot dress. This is his quote. I'm trying
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: to figure out how to hit on her. That's all
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: that I can think about. I was fascinated with her looks.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: I just wrote down my phone number and I gave
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: it to as a callback to an episode. You may
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: hed I got a stuff doing this. She never said much.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: It was very erotic. I was consumed by her. She
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: was a seductress with an unspoken unavailability.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: This guy is very poetic, the way he talks about like,
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: you know, trying to smash.
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: I've never heard much from this guy, but he does
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: seem like he's.
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: Not he's not.
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: It doesn't sound like an imbecile, you know. I don't
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: know if he's he's he Fustigne native and he emigrated
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: to America.
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I agree.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: So, I mean this is great, especially English is a
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: second Nate language. Saying unspoken unavailability, Yeah is a very
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: good way to describe a hot aloof girl.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: Uh, Sandy Serrano, this is an interesting detail here.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, she's actually lived in an underground dome. She was
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: befriend of a sponge. She was a Kennedy campaign volunteer.
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: She told NBC News reporter Sander Vanikor on Live TV
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: about seeing a young woman in a polka dot dress
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: and a male companion who passed her on.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: A fire escape. The woman in the polka dot dress said.
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: We shot him, we shot him.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: When Serrano asked who they shot, the woman said, sena
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: to Kennedy and ran off. A witness in the pants.
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: You made. You made a good character choice for that
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: woman's voice, just like I know.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: She's a Boston drunk. She's a woman in the sixties.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: A witness in the pantry. Vince, I'm gonna go bra
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: A witness in the pantry. Vincent de Pere the C. S.
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: Lewis novel, A witness of.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: The Vincent Tapiro. He told the LAPD about a woman
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: in a white dress with dark polka dots, who seemed
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: to be holding sr Han just before the shooting. This
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: is according to Sirhan, she pinched him on the shoulder,
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: then spun him around to see people coming through the
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: pantry door, and then this is a quote, then I
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: was on the target range a flashback to the shooting range.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: I didn't know that I had a gun, geez, and
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: so she did some weird vulcan magic and then like
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: triggered the shit with him. Basically, this is also from
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: that A and E documentary.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: If that's true, then who fired the fatal shots? The
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: answer may lion the testimony of several bystanders who heard
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: a mysterious young couple claim responsibility of the moments after
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: the shooting.
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: Damn what a voice, story of the woman in.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: The polka dot dressed and others suppressed evidence. When the
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Robert Kennedy assassination returns, you're on A and E.
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: Glad I got that whole send off to commercial in there. Oh,
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: it was worthy to hear Bill Curtis, Dude, here's the
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: goat and he was shot.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: Several witnesses is reported seeing two people escape from the
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: hotel boasting they had killed the candidate, but far from
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: welcoming this testimony, the LA police, who were already destroying
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: substantial amounts of evidence, allegedly harassed.
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: The witnesses to change their stories. Let's uh, her account in.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: A television interview is sand she would be broad eaten
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: by the LAPD and has never spoken out since down
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: the stairs in the back came running down the stairs and.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Said we've shot him.
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: We've shot him. And I says, who did you shoot?
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: And she says, we shot sim Well, clearly worried him
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: because it was inconsistent with her conclusion.
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: Is a lot of work investigating.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's uh, that's wild because that's like at the
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: time of this is like that's like that was the
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: footage taken.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: Right after it happened, right immediately after, like the same night,
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: because she she was on Camp Kennedy's campaign volunteers, so.
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: She was there.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: And it's like the fact that these stories are not
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: these people have no communication with each other. This lady's
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: not gonna be able to talk to a guy that's
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: in fucking federal holding cele Noor. Is that guy able
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: to watch the news while he's, you know, being forced
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: to strip naked by lapd and called racial slurs. So
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: this it's it's interesting that the detail is president different
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: accounts that would have no chance of collusion.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: Right, And there's also an audio recording in that same
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: A and E documentary of a detective who has Sandy
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Serrano hooked up to a lie detector or a polygraph
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: and he's like basically trying to coerce her into saying
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: that she didn't see this and that this didn't happen,
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: and she's just like, no, I saw what I saw
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: and I'm not going to change my story.
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: So good for her. Fucking yeah, obi Wan, Just like.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: Uh so, what's crazy about that is that part sounds
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: insane because what what they're implying there with the whole
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: woman in the polka dot dress theory is that basically
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: Sir Hans Sirhan was hypnotized as kind of a long
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: con kind of thing and at the given moment, this
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: woman gave him some sort of stimulus that triggered him
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: into just firing indiscriminately at people, which sounds nuts like.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: It does, but it's also like, I don't know, is
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: that would that be the craziest thing that ever happened.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: Well, It's the thing is we we've already confirmed that
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: the government for decades was at least looking into mind control.
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, of course.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: I mean that's like some type of shape where you'd
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: you'd come up with that, you'd be like, yeah, I'll
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: throw a billion dollars at that.
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: And it's not the kind of thing where if they
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: did figure it out, that they would come out and
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: be like.
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: Hey, hey guys, we cracked mind control.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: You know, we got that doesn't really do a lot
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: because like there are certain things where like you want
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: everyone to know you have a hydrogen bomb, because it's like, hey,
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: don't fuck with this, we have a hydrogen bomb. That
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: makes sense to publish it. But mind control it's like, no,
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: I'm keeping that. I'm playing that one close to the
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: goddamn to my friend.
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: The The thing that is almost kind of disqualifyingly strange
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: about it is it's like, so we we came up
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: with mine control, and we only used it to kill
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: Robert Kennedy. You don't see a lot of other people
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: throughout history, the assassination cases or any other circumstance being
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: accused of being mine controlled.
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: John Who shot John John Hinckley. Oh No, it's not
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: John Hankley. That's fucking that's uh fucking fatso.
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, who the fucks shot Kennedy?
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: Or shot John Lennon John Lennon, Oh shit, it's not
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: John Hinckley Junior.
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: He shot Reagan. Damn it. I'm gonna remember it. The man.
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: I know people as soon as I start googling it.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, John, I feel like it's a John. I feel
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: like it's a John two.
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: Mark David Chapman. If you got three names, you're a
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: serial killer, and I got my eye on you. Adam
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: Todd Brown, you're an assassin.
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: I mean.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: But Mark David Chapman was also because he's that we
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: should do an episode about the fucking Catcher in the
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: Rye sometimes, Oh for sure, because he's one of them.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: That ship is like the Stooges of fucking murder, like
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: and like what they did for Punk Rock, that's Catcher
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: in the Rye for killing people. And Mark David Chapman's
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: one of those people who had Catcher on the Rye,
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: Catcher in the Rye on him.
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: When he committed his crime.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but uh, like the white lighter things, all those
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: the people in the twenty seven club.
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: You ever see that white light?
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Oh it's bad luck you know or whatever, because I
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: guess a lot of rock stars have died with a
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: white letter.
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: In the pocket. Oh really, Yeah, it's kind of interesting.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I wanted to talk about that on a podcast once,
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: because different colored lighters are different are bad luck in
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: different parts of the country.
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: Interesting.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: I'd only ever heard the white lighter, but it was
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: just from some annoying grill at the bar, So I
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: don't know how fucking true that is.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, where I was from, it was yellow lighters and
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: it was just for no reason, they were just bad luck.
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: Interesting.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: So back to mind control, Like there there have been
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: documents released, declassified official government documents about a few different
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: programs that we ran in the name of figuring out
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: of mind control was a thing we could do, and
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: the first one was called Project Art to Choke. Here's
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: a quote from one of the declassified Artichoke documents. Can
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: an individual be made to perform an act of attempted
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: assassination involuntarily under the influence of Art to Choke? And
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: artichoke is in all caps, so they're asking, They're not
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: asking if an actual Artichoke could make a person, if.
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: You could watch enough veggie Tails, then become a Christian.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: But what's interesting to me about that is this is
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: the program that eventually spawned mk Ultra.
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: One of the most badass names for anything fantastic today.
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: They had a cologne called mk Ultra. I would douse
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: myself in that ship before I left the house.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: Fantastic name, really insidious program for sure. Yeah, it was
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: a terrible, terrible thing that we're probably still doing under
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: a different name, probably, But how do we come up
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: with a cooler name? Artichokes easy to talk about mk ultra,
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: but the fucking Black Force Extreme presents the apocalypse? Oh my?
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: But my question there would be would mk ultra have
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: happened if they pumped all this money into Artichoke and
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: found nothing.
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: We threw money at a lot of stupid shit.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you can read about some great like
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: you know about Acoustic Kitty, right, Yeah, you talked about that.
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: I think I told about that.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: I mean, and then there's like the firebomb bats and
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: then like you know, like something about they did some
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: goofy shit with the Acoustic Kitty.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: That's not an expensive like we could technically do that
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: mic that would fit down a cat's throat.
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: Why are we going down throw We're putting it in
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: the butt at them. Don't be fucking stupid over here.
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: Uh No, there's that. There's like remote viewing.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: My dad was remote viewing, and it's just like they
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: just okay, as we spent two hundred thousand dollars putting
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: a bunch of people in a room and they thought
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: really hard and they drew missile silo fucking blobs, and
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: it's like, okay, but this was like a decades long program.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah no, I mean MK Ultra ran for at least
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: twenty years.
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: But this is the thing.
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: It's like, you know, I mean, like if it's twenty
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: years to build a nuclear bomb, and we'd theorize that
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: it was possible some kind of eavily, we'd throw money
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: at it.
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: I mean nowhere. Yeah, I'm kind of trying to play
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: Devil's advocate, but I can see it either way. I
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: wouldn't be surprised if they had that capability.
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: It just seems it just feels like something that we
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: tough to develop in the nineteen sixties, considering we'd still
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: barely know dick shit about the.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: Brain yeah, there's I was gonna play another video, but
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: those videos sound crazy. But in that a ande documentary
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: also there's an interview with a hypnosis expert named William Bryan,
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: who was a consultant on the film The Manchurian Candidate,
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: and he discussed how this process would work, and what
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: he said is you would have to have access to
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: the person for a long time and just basically be
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: able to feed them these suggestions over a long course
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: of time. It might involve some abuse, it might involve
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: some torture, but you would basically just be conditioning someone
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: to respond to a specific set of stimuli in a
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: specific way.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: It's like what Aku's daughters did in season four of
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: Samurai Jack.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, obviously, what's really interesting there's a British talk show
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: hosted by a guy named Stephen Frye, and he recreated
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: the girl in the Polka dot dress theory. What he
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: did he had a hypnosis expert work with this guy.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: And I get that this could all have been staged,
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: yeah for sure, But he had this hypnosis expert work
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: with this guy for like I think it was a month,
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: and they just told him that he'd be doing something
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: on this Stephen Fry show Under Hypnosis basically, and they
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: worked with him for a month. On the day they're
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: recording the show, they sit him in the back row
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: and while he's in the back row, a woman turns
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: or comes and sits in front of him, wearing a
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: polka dot dress. And they had programmed him to when
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: he sees this pope out dress and here's this certain
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: cell phone ring tone, he's supposed to stand up, touch
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: his head and then start shooting at whoever he's told
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: to shoot at. So this woman sits in front of
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: him and this cell phone ring tone goes off, and
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: she turns around, looks at him, and goes, Stephen Fry
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: as your target. And he fucking stood up, put his
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: hand on his head and started shooting a fucking gun
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: loaded with blanks at Stephen Fry.
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: Damn. And I mean, that's crazy. They could have staged it.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: But it's also like they did have a fucking like
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: hypnosis is a thing that is Yeah, Like we've all
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: been to those comedy shows where people are like, have
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: we like hypnosis isn't real, and then they're fucking clucking
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: like chickens.
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: On stage and it's someone you came with.
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: I wonder, I wonder how much access they would have
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: had to Sirhan Surham before it's took place, Like you like,
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: how much do we know about this guy's backstory because
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: I haven't really seen a lot about that.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: Well, there are witnesses that saw Sirhan Sirhan with these
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: two people, not only in the moments leading up to
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: the shooting, in the hours before it, but also like
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: a few days or weeks prior.
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: There's one interesting there's one.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: Witness who saw them at a shooting range and they
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: they described the way sir Han Sirhan was shooting was
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: almost like a yeah, just like really fucking going after
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: it to the point that people are like, what the
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: fuck is up with that guy? So, I mean there's
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: evidence that he did know this woman and that there
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: was another accomplice. I mean, there's so much people.
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: So weird that she would say like we shot him,
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: we shot him? Would you shoot Senator Kennedy?
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: Dipshit, It's so weird, like you'd feel like, yeah, she
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: was involved in this prece she would have kept a
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: lower profile.
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: Just a lot of fucking weird shit going on.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: Because here's the thing, what if Sandy Serrano is the
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: one who set up President Kennedy.
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: By the way, it sounds like a terrible fucking Stan
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: Lee character. Sandy Serrano is the new Spider Man.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: But she could have set this up and been like, yeah,
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: we saw a woman in a polka dot dress who
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: was running, and said, so you never know, Yeah, it
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: could be any number of things, but it does seem
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: like something weird.
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: Somebody probably knows. They'll never tell us, and we'll just
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: have to continue.
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: Living, right.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: So, in twenty twelve, a witness named Nina Rhodes Hughes
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: came forward and claimed there was a second shooter in
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: the pantry that night. She also said this in her
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: initial statement, you got so much in the mine draft
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: forgot like, oh, yeah, there was probably a second gunman.
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: Got it so fucked, she said.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: She also said in her initial statement way back when
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: it happened, but claimed authorities altered her account.
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: That's something they do.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: She identified fifteen errors in the official report where she
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: was misquoted regarding details, two comma splices where she was
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: misquoted about the number of shots fired or the number
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: of shooters present. And this is a quote from her
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: I saw his left profile, and then very very quickly
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: he was through greeting, and he turned and went into
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: the original direction that he was being ushered to. At
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: that point I saw the back of his head and
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: part of his shoulders and back. My eyes were totally
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: on him, and all of a sudden I started hearing
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: popping sounds, which I thought at first were flashbulbs from
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: a camera and sir Han. Sirhan's lawyer, William Pepper said
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: this to CNN.
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: Bill Pepper, call me if you don't need to get
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: out of a jam.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: He said that observation is vital. Here her clear recollection
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: of being some short distance behind the senator and seeing
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: his left profile and then seeing him quickly turning so
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: that the back of his head was in her sight
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: at the time the shooting began. This reveals that the
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: Senator was almost directly facing Sir Haan just before he
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: took three shots from behind in his back and behind
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: his right ear at powder Burn range, making it impossible
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: for Sir Han to have been Robert Kennedy's shooter. It
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: clearly evidences the existence of a second gunman who fired
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: from below and upward at the Senator. Many researchers of
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: cast suspicion on Thane Eugene Czar, who was a security
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: guard with right wing views on race, who was escorting
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: Kennedy by the arm through the pantry.
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: Why was he the guy doing it? I guess there.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, if they didn't have their own detail, he's
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: probably like, give me one of your guys. I got
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: my NFL friends, will be totally cool. Uh. He was,
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: according to some witnesses, seen drawing his gun and possibly
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: firing it. There's even one witness in one of the
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: documentaries I watched who says that when he fell to
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: the ground after hearing the shots, he looked up and
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: saw this guy pointing his gun like at the ground
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: toward Kennedy. So that's it, and there's an overkill. Put
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: it away, and he was Some witnesses saw him draw
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: his gun. He also told false, false stories about a
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: twenty two he owned, claiming he sold it before the assassination,
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: when he actually sold it after. Oh geez, that's so
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: crazy thinking that someone might have just bought a discount
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: gun and it's.
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: Like, oh, this is the gun that killed their health,
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: killed Robert Key.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: I almost wonder if that guy just heard the shots
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: start firing out, and he's like, well, if I'm going down,
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: I'm taking this fucking Mexican negotiating with me.
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: That's not a crazy explanation to me.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but this guy would have been according to the
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: trajectory the bullets entered, this guy would have been the
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: perfect person or he's the perfect suspect. Yeah, yeah, because
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: if he's escorting him by the arm. Basically, what they
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: kind of the people who think there's another explanation, what
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: they think happened is someone basically put their arm around
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: Kennedy's head or neck and shot him once behind the ear,
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: once in the back, and another time that like went
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: through his jacket. But it's like an execution, and he
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: was the bullet that killed him went behind his ear.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: There's no way the guy in front.
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: And it does.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: The trajectory of the bullet does resemble someone just grabbing
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: you and putting a gun right here and pulling the trigger.
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's maybe it was just powder burns. The
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: fucking powder burns.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Powder burns do not travel like, there is no
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: magic powder burn You can't get powder burns on the
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: front and back of your head. Yeah, that was what
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: I was thinking about the Stephen Fry thing is I
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: feel like they would have gotten powder burns for somebody,
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: you know, like, oh yeah, for sure, didn't torch stop
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: in the fucking he didn't.
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: Kill someone with a blank, Like you just have a
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: blank and a gun and you put it up to
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: you like it's gonna there's pressure being released, like yeah,
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: it's gonna suck.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: I remember there was an actor in the eighties who
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: had he had just been on some show for like
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: a year. He was like a new actor, and that's
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: how he died. He was fucking around with a starter
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: pistol and put it to his head, thinking it wouldn't
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: kill him, it will kill you.
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: Uh So I have a section here about did the
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: c I I A kill RFK?
• 41:01
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: Probably, I mean they kill Kennedy's That's the whole thing
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: I don't like there is.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: That's what the documentary RFK Must Die is about, and
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: it points to three CIA agents David Sanchez Morales, Gordon
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: Campbell and George Joanitas as having been at the hotel
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: that night for no reason. They weren't there on any
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: official CIA business that anyone can tell, but this was
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: kind of discredited later for one thing, George Campbell died
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: six years before the assassination, so it's hard for him
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: to be there.
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: Also.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: Let now, the other two people were later identified as
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: two people working for Bulava, a watch company, who were
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: there for the company's convention. But O'Sullivan stands by his
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: story and says, Bulliva is a well known CIA cover
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: and you know what, fuck it I believe.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's there nothing to see, flower truck, you know,
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: you see, like in the Simpsons or whatever.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: I pulled up a list of suspected CIA front companies.
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: That's something I've never even thought of. But that's god
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: CNNs on the fucking list. Oh well, I mean you can.
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: Well you're adding logos, you might as well throw a
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: few to get the fucking list shared around.
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: You know, RBS is actually a conspiracy.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: So that's that's the RFK assassination conspiracy. It's it's a
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: good one.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: I feel like it's not as easy to come to
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: a you know, kind of a fucking easy conclusion as
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: it is with the JFK one.
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: But I mean, yeah, there's a fucking lot going on.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the JFK one, it's harder to kind of sell
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: people on the idea that something else happened.
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: But with r f K, I think it's pretty easy.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: There's just no yeah, it just doesn't mean well, just
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: just the ballistic issues alone are tremendous. All right, let's
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: Alex Jones questions where are they?
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: Okay?
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: Oh, if he's gone, my I just put out a tweet. Yeah,
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: that'll expand the replies on that motherfucker right there.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: Okay, time for demon Alex Jones questions you ready?
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: From Zachary Johnston, what happened to Dennis Leary's career?
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: He turned into Keith Olberman?
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: Next question from Ashley Bess besides gay frogs?
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: What hell? What else has the poison water turned gay?
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: Obvious music.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: Uh At Nemi Cakes says, do you recommend any particular
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: methods to defend my corpse from organ harvesters in the hospital?
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: I'd start with not dying and if you've been a
• 43:44
  Speaker 5: listener of the show for a while, you know how
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: to secure a horcrux for you and your family.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: Zach Kowalski says, what kind of spells should I learn
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: to fight the globalists?
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: Magic missile is a good place to start.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: Brian Powers, what's your opinion of criticizing the government through
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: performance art? Isn't performance art for the gay frogs?
• 44:04
  Speaker 6: Uh?
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: It's a difficult question. I don't exactly know what you're
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: trying to ask me. Uh, Kyle Evan Pruet or Kyle
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: Evan Pratt? Sorry? How is Texas recovering from the jade hellmanvasion?
• 44:16
  Speaker 5: I don't even know what you're talking about, and quite frankly,
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: that means that you've gone off the deep end?
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: Do you not know what jade Helm is?
• 44:22
  Speaker 6: Uh?
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: No, we should. We should do an episode about jade
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: Helm someday, Right.
• 44:26
  Speaker 5: I gotta go back to Texas.
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: I'm Alex Jones, Logan Miller.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: How many gay frogs do the Lizard people need to
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: control the weather from their base in Alaska?
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: Thirty eight? Next question?
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: Last question? Gabriel says, where's Randall Maynard's body?
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: Some unbelieve it's underneath the forty yard line of a
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: football stadium.
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: I don't remember off the top of my head.
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: I'll just tell you this, I know for an empirical flact,
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: and you're not gonna hear this anywhere else in the world.
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: I know definitively, and I can tell you people.
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: This right now, today, in this moment in time and space,
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: Randall Maynards is underneath a stupid hat of some kind
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: or another.
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: That was a good answer. All right, we should wrap
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: it up. This was fun. Yeah, man, what do we
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: have to plug? Do we have anything to plug?
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: This episode is going up Monday, okay, seventh, and this
• 45:17
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• 45:19
  Speaker 4: Okay, cool, people will hear it.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: Oh, the people come fucking see me headlining the Wreck
• 45:27
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• 45:30
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• 45:34
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• 45:35
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• 45:37
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• 45:38
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• 45:40
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• 46:09
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• 46:11
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