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Chuck Klein - BOOK - Circa 1967 · Brian Thomas

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  Speaker 1: Well, since yesterday when I was first alerted by my
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  Speaker 1: dear friend Peter Bronson, yes, the author and publisher Peter Bronson,
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  Speaker 1: former Inquirer editorial columnist, Chuck Klein has joined the program here.
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  Speaker 1: He brings extensive real-world law enforcement background to his fiction,
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  Speaker 1: which is a book we're going to be talking about
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  Speaker 1: here coming up. Before turning to writing, he was a
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  Speaker 1: certified police officer here in Ohio, Woodlawn Terrace Park, Amberley Village.
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  Speaker 1: He's still a resident of Ohio, local author we call him.
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  Speaker 1: He's a deputy sheriff in Switzerland County, Indiana as well.
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  Speaker 1: Worked as a licensed private investigator, police photography instructor, firearms instructor,
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  Speaker 1: and he's also a car guy. I got a lot
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  Speaker 1: of things that align with your interests. Chuck Klein, welcome
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  Speaker 1: to the morning show. Here to talk about your new book,
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  Speaker 1: an extension from the prior book, circa 1957. Fast forward
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  Speaker 1: 10 years, circa 1967. Good to have you on, Chuck.
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  Speaker 2: It's... It's hardly 8 o'clock in the morning. Is anybody
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  Speaker 2: awake at this hour? I get up at 2.30, Chuck.
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  Speaker 2: I've come off a three-day drunk later than this. Are
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  Speaker 2: we on the air?
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  Speaker 1: We are on the air. Man, I've got to get
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  Speaker 1: up at 2.30, 5 a.m. to 9 a.m., five days
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  Speaker 1: a week, Chuck. 8 o'clock is nothing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay. Well, that's great. You're talking about police officers.
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  Speaker 2: I was a cop, and I've written for police magazines,
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  Speaker 2: written police books and stuff. Let's get one thing straight
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  Speaker 2: about cops, since— You know, they're really in the news.
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  Speaker 2: American police officers are not the enemy. Amen. Nor are
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  Speaker 2: they hand holders, social workers, jackbooted thugs or heroes.
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  Speaker 1: Amen.
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  Speaker 2: However, yeah, however, these... However, evildoers may deem them the enemy.
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  Speaker 2: They may become hand holders when comfort is needed or
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  Speaker 2: social workers when helping the indigent and even jackbooted thugs
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  Speaker 2: when breaking down doors to protect the protectees from evildoers.
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  Speaker 2: And when heroic acts are required, well, we've seen example
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  Speaker 2: after example of that.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Chuck, I salute you for your service to the
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  Speaker 1: community as a police officer and a firefighter as well.
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  Speaker 1: My sister retired from the Cincinnati Police Department about five
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  Speaker 1: or so years ago as a lieutenant, served for more
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  Speaker 1: than 25 years in the Cincinnati Police Department, and I
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  Speaker 1: lived her life parallel to her. I heard all the stories,
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  Speaker 1: the sacrifice, the psychological trauma, the filth that you have
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  Speaker 1: to deal with on a day-in and day-out basis. And
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  Speaker 1: it can't be understated the difficulty that job presents. But
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  Speaker 1: that's why I always like to give strong recognition to
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  Speaker 1: law enforcement officers and, of course, to you too, sir,
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  Speaker 1: for being one. But you bring all of that background,
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  Speaker 1: your private investigation, your law enforcement experience, to the books
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  Speaker 1: that you write. And this is, do you call it
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  Speaker 1: a sequel circa 1967? Because you introduced the protagonist, Paul Auer,
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  Speaker 1: in the prior book circa 1957. So let's talk about this, Chuck.
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  Speaker 2: Well yeah, the latest book, circa 1967, It's got car
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  Speaker 2: chases and gun battles. Uh-oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
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  Speaker 2: I'm allowed to say gun on the air now that
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  Speaker 2: the Democrats are in control?
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  Speaker 1: You are talking to a proud firearm owner and Second
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  Speaker 1: Amendment fan and believer. Yes, you are talking to the
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  Speaker 1: right audience here. Nobody has any problems with firearms ownership. And,
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  Speaker 1: in fact, I encourage people to go out and buy
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  Speaker 1: one if they don't own one yet and start taking
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  Speaker 1: classes because you know it. You're a firearms instructor. You
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  Speaker 1: have to learn how to competently operate that firearm so
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  Speaker 1: you can use it to your advantage if it ever
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  Speaker 1: becomes necessary.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been doing that. I've carried a gun or
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  Speaker 2: had one close at hand all of my adult life,
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  Speaker 2: and certainly well before they had permits and constitutional carry
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  Speaker 2: and stuff. But, hey, you know... When you're a private eye,
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  Speaker 2: you got to carry a gun, whether the law out
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  Speaker 2: there or not, because there's bad guys out there that, well,
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  Speaker 2: they'll take you out for that. So I got a
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  Speaker 2: lot of these stories in this book circa 1967. It's
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  Speaker 2: subtitled Unyielding Mindset Street Cop Turns PI Collides with Anarchy.
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  Speaker 1: Anarchy?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's got a main theme running through here
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  Speaker 2: about an anti-American group that– called JEWS, J-E-W-S, for Jewish
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  Speaker 2: Esoteric Watchdog Society that infiltrates and goes after the TRO
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  Speaker 2: for the rightful owners, which is a group out to
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  Speaker 2: take over the United States. So that's part of the
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  Speaker 2: theme of this thing. And it involves a lot of stuff,
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  Speaker 2: including a lot of it is historically, technically correct, and autobiographical.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, the first book in this series circa 1957, um,
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  Speaker 2: was fully autobiographical. I mean, it was my story, and
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  Speaker 2: I couldn't make up better stuff than what really happened,
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  Speaker 2: and that book became a cult, and then I came
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  Speaker 2: up with this Circa 67 sequel, and now I'm working
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  Speaker 2: on Circa 2000, which would be a complete trilogy of
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  Speaker 2: this thing.
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  Speaker 1: That would be great. Explain to my listening audience the
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  Speaker 1: predicate for the 1957 year, your first book, Circa 1957,
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  Speaker 1: which presumably acts as a springboard to this new book
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  Speaker 1: we're talking about today, Circa 1967, but why 57?
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's a coming-of-age book set during that period of time.
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  Speaker 2: It covers the three years, 54 years, 56, 7, 8, 9,
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  Speaker 2: and 60 of a boy in Cincinnati coming of age.
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  Speaker 2: All the scenes are set in Cincinnati, and the stories
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  Speaker 2: are all real stories about, you know— coming of age
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  Speaker 2: stuff yeah a lot of juvenile sex and juvenile delinquency um.
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  Speaker 1: The beatnik era i'm sorry what i said the beatnik
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  Speaker 1: era that was the preceded the hippie era i'm always
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  Speaker 1: fascinated by that change in cultural shift beginning of the
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  Speaker 1: late 50s and all the way through the late 60s
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  Speaker 1: here in america i'm glad you chose the time frame
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  Speaker 1: i guess is really where i'm going with it chuck.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, the time frame between the two books runs
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  Speaker 2: all the way through 2000. Circa 67 runs from 1960
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  Speaker 2: to 2000, and then circa 2000 will run on further
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  Speaker 2: than that. I haven't finished that yet. Um, this stuff
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  Speaker 2: is all available. Uh, and all, all, if anyone know
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  Speaker 2: about me is on my website, chuckkline.com. Yep.
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  Speaker 1: Checking it out right now, Chuck, there's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: info there and what a background you've got. It's obviously
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  Speaker 1: these stories that, you know, you lived in your life.
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  Speaker 1: I suppose that it, you know, as an independent, as
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  Speaker 1: a local author here, and again, chili dog press published
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  Speaker 1: it and good morning to, uh, Peter Bronson, I imagine
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  Speaker 1: is listening right now. Um, Authors, I guess, and I've
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  Speaker 1: read it and heard it before from authors and also
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  Speaker 1: read it in articles about authors. You get your inspiration
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  Speaker 1: from your own life. People are typically writing about themselves,
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  Speaker 1: even if it's only loosely related. But with your background,
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  Speaker 1: you've got a lot of great stories that you incorporate
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  Speaker 1: into this fiction work. It's historical fiction.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. And Pete Bronson, great guy. You talk about him.
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  Speaker 2: When he was editor of the Inquirer, I was writing
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  Speaker 2: regular columns for him. I forget what the column was called,
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  Speaker 2: but a regular editorial column. So that really gave me
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  Speaker 2: a boost. And he and I became friends since then,
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  Speaker 2: and we're still in touch. Yeah, he's a great guy.
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  Speaker 1: No question about it. All right, so who is this
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  Speaker 1: book going to appeal to? People who obviously like cars, guns,
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  Speaker 1: and intrigue? Because I'm curious about the anarchy element here.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, it's a police thriller type. A lot of
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  Speaker 2: police stuff in there, and I don't want to give
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  Speaker 2: it away. You've got to read the book. It's about
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  Speaker 2: a takeover, a possible takeover. that hints at, uh, uh,
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  Speaker 2: nine 11, um, which doesn't come until right.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the next volume.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Um, I heard you said you have one or
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  Speaker 2: two guns. What's your favorite gun?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I suppose it depends on which day, but overall,
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  Speaker 1: if I had to choose in terms of handguns, the
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  Speaker 1: 1911 style or the modern 9mm 2011 style. I just
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  Speaker 1: love 1911 styles, but in terms of long guns, clearly
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  Speaker 1: AR platform is superior, easy to use, easy to operate,
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  Speaker 1: and you can give it to a child and they
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  Speaker 1: can hit what they're aiming at. I know that boils
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  Speaker 1: it down a little overly simplistic, but Yeah, those two platforms,
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  Speaker 1: but I own a multitude of different calibers and types
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  Speaker 1: of guns, including a. 45- 70 lever action, which is great
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  Speaker 1: to hand over to someone who's not used to shooting
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  Speaker 1: rifles on the range. Here, try this.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got each of those things. I love the 1911.
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  Speaker 2: My son now has a 1911A1 that my father bought
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  Speaker 2: brand new in 1934. Oh, no kidding. And it's just beautiful.
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  Speaker 2: So we still got that in the family. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: For handguns, I'm partial to the Glock 19 and. 45 caliber.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a. 45 guy. The 19, I've never been a
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  Speaker 2: 19 guy because they're too difficult to reload. And they
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  Speaker 2: just weren't the big one. I started shooting. 45 was it,
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  Speaker 2: and I stuck with that. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I just it's a, it's a crisp trigger on a 45,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you're right there. You're on top of it.
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  Speaker 1: I just, again, it's a great weapon. Uh, but again,
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  Speaker 1: I've got SIGs and, you know, uh, I've got, uh,
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  Speaker 1: Smith and Wesson, you know, 44 revolver, you know, the
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  Speaker 1: J frame hammerless. So you never have to worry about
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  Speaker 1: it jamming or malfunctioning. I mean, it's just, A whole
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  Speaker 1: variety of them. Just collected them over the years. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not a guy who sells guns like, ah, I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to sell this back to the store and buy a
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  Speaker 1: new one. No, I just keep it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I wish I could have done that with
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  Speaker 2: a lot of my guns. I could never afford to
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  Speaker 2: keep them all at the same time. I'm really partial
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  Speaker 2: to double-barrel shotguns. The old ones, I've only got two left.
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  Speaker 2: I've got a Fox Sterling Werther made in 1948, a
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  Speaker 2: 20-gauge double 26-inch barrels. I made the Woodford. That was
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  Speaker 2: my hunting gun. But a lot of my handguns, Well,
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  Speaker 2: I got them for free because when I was writing articles,
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  Speaker 2: when I was the editor for PI Magazine, I could
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  Speaker 2: get guns for free. They sent me guns to write about,
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  Speaker 2: and they didn't want the guns back. Well, everybody was
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  Speaker 2: Smith & Wesson. Smith & Wesson always wanted their gun back,
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  Speaker 2: but I don't know. The other ones didn't want the
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  Speaker 2: guns back because it would be a used gun, and
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  Speaker 2: gun makers, you can't sell used guns. So I got
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  Speaker 2: to keep some pretty cool stuff. I, you know, I
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  Speaker 2: got a, I got a Dan Wesson, um, nice three
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  Speaker 2: 57 revolver with, with all three barrels. Um, oh yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's cool.
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  Speaker 1: Dan Wesson fire superior firearm.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And, um, I'm a big shotgun fan as well. I like,
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  Speaker 1: I belong to a Milford gun club. At least he
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  Speaker 1: used to shoot skeet and trap. And, uh, I've got
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of over and unders as well. I just say,
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  Speaker 1: keep them a mixed bag of variety. Always got something there. And,
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  Speaker 1: Learned a valuable lesson a long time ago. You know,
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  Speaker 1: at some point, people get a run on ammo, and
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  Speaker 1: there won't be any ammo available or it'll be really,
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  Speaker 1: really expensive. So I learned a long time ago, Chuck Klein,
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  Speaker 1: buy it when it's on sale, and then you'll have
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  Speaker 1: it because you're going to use it on the range.
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  Speaker 1: You'll have it available when times get tough or when
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  Speaker 1: supplies get low, and it happens from time to time.
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  Speaker 1: It's like another surge in gun ownership.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but yes. The ammo could be the currency when
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  Speaker 2: things go south and dollars don't mean anything anymore. The
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  Speaker 2: ammo is the only thing that you can actually identify.
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  Speaker 2: Somebody with gold coins, how do you know it's gold?
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  Speaker 1: Chuck, what good is it? If you're talking post-apocalyptic, post-fiat
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  Speaker 1: currency world, What the hell are you going to do
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  Speaker 1: with a nugget of gold? You can't eat it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, even a gold coin that could be
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  Speaker 2: worth $ 2, 000 where you can't walk into any place and
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  Speaker 2: buy a loaf of bread with a $ 2, 000 gold coin.
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  Speaker 2: You know how you get changed. But if the trading
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  Speaker 2: medium is ammunition. Well, okay, you give me 1038 special
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  Speaker 2: loads and I'll give you a loaf of bread. Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Then you've got something you can barter with. Right.
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  Speaker 1: I always say it's food, it's ammo, and maybe liquor, vodka, post-apocalyptic,
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  Speaker 1: laying a big supply. Chuck, it has been a fantastic
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  Speaker 1: time talking with you. I did expect that we'd get
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  Speaker 1: off on a tangent or two away from your book,
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  Speaker 1: knowing what Peter Bronson told me yesterday, circa 1967. Unyielding
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  Speaker 1: Mindset Street Cop Turned PI Collides with Anarchy. Get a
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  Speaker 1: copy of it at 55KRC. com. You can get it there.