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Episode 472 - MacBook Neo Is Official, AI Music Gets Real & Choosing the Right Security Camera | TechtalkRadio · TechtalkRadio

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  Speaker 1: The following program is produced by the Tech Talk Radio Network.
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  Speaker 2: All right, people, take.
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  Speaker 1: Out your notebooks and pencils and frive roles.
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  Speaker 3: You're listening to to tech Talk Radio with true geeks.
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  Speaker 3: And by the way, I'm Bastider and I'm a geek.
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  Speaker 1: Go and welcome to another episode of tech Talk Radio.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Andy Taylor, I'm Sean de Weird, and we have
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  Speaker 1: the show that talks about computers, technology and the Internet.
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  Speaker 1: And we need to start off the show sending condolences
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  Speaker 1: to Justin. A family member of his has passed away,
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  Speaker 1: and so Justin's going to be out for a couple
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  Speaker 1: of weeks dealing with that. But from everybody here, we
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  Speaker 1: send our thoughts and condolences to the family. But it's
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  Speaker 1: good to see you, Sean. Everything going well there in
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  Speaker 1: good old South Bend.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been busy. Last Saturday. We did three shows
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  Speaker 3: on three separate networks.
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  Speaker 1: Three separate So for those who don't know, Sean works
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  Speaker 1: for Notre Dame and you help compile all the sports
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  Speaker 1: shows and everything else that's going on.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, broadcast this year for the University of nor Dame,
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  Speaker 3: specifically nor Dame Studios with channels I cost the live
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  Speaker 3: armor of the university. Basically, anything live broadcast wise or
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  Speaker 3: university wise, it comes out of the university g Star department.
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  Speaker 3: And last Saturday, we did a men's basketball game on
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  Speaker 3: the CW, women's lacrosse on ESPN, and Notre Dame hockey
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  Speaker 3: No Name hockey on Peacock.
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  Speaker 1: All within the same day. So how do you how
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  Speaker 1: do you do something like that where you go from
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  Speaker 1: one location obviously in hockey and then you go to lacrosse.
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  Speaker 1: Is it all pre set up? Do you set that up? Oh?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we have.
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  Speaker 3: We have a team that just kind of sets it
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  Speaker 3: all up and gets going. And two of the games
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  Speaker 3: happened simultaneously, So men's basketball, lacrosse happened both at the
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  Speaker 3: same time, and then hockey didn't start until much later
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  Speaker 3: in the evening. I was in charge of basketball and
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  Speaker 3: lacrosse and then kind of babysit hockey a little bit
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  Speaker 3: for a new a newer employee who's getting his feet
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  Speaker 3: wet in hockey. But it was it was a legal
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  Speaker 3: sixteen hour day on Saturday.
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  Speaker 1: Now that these these air on the CW, Peacock and
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  Speaker 1: whatever network picks it up, do they also air live
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  Speaker 1: on the web? Like you do. You stream it, so
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  Speaker 1: people who went to Notre Dame they can only watch it.
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  Speaker 3: So it depends on what platform it is, right, It
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  Speaker 3: all depends on the media rights. So the CW just
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  Speaker 3: airs on the CW. The lacrosse game was on ACC
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  Speaker 3: Dot Work Extra. Yeah, and then hockey was streaming on Peacock,
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  Speaker 3: So you'd have to have a subscription to watch Peacock.
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  Speaker 1: But other than that, now, I know, last year you
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  Speaker 1: got a chance to go out to the NAB for
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  Speaker 1: the big It's like the National Association Broadcasters. They do
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  Speaker 1: this big thing where you get to see the latest
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  Speaker 1: tech and the latest software, the latest hardware, everything that's
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  Speaker 1: happening with that. Are they going Are you gonna be
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  Speaker 1: going again this year? No.
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  Speaker 3: The biggest show that we do for the university, it's
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  Speaker 3: two days, twenty hours of content over those two days.
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  Speaker 3: It's called Notre Dame Days. The biggest fundraiser we do
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  Speaker 3: for the university falls on the Tuesday.
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  Speaker 2: Wednesday of NAB.
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  Speaker 3: Oh boy, yeah, so I was all I had. I
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  Speaker 3: had tickets, I had my hotel booked and my flights
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  Speaker 3: booked and everything. They announced the days for the not
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  Speaker 3: Name Day and it fell right on that Tuesday Wednesday
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  Speaker 3: of NAB plus that Saturday is there's a lot happening
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  Speaker 3: in that stretch. The Nerdame Blue Gold football game, the
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  Speaker 3: spring game is happening that Saturday. Not being able to
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  Speaker 3: set up for end of day until Sunday and Monday,
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  Speaker 3: it's just a whole rigormar all things that just fell that.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I got to go once. It was the
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  Speaker 3: first time I ever been. I was excited to go
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  Speaker 3: back because you know, you missed, you missed stuff the
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  Speaker 3: first time you go to a conference, right, you don't
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  Speaker 3: know what you're doing, you don't know where you are,
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  Speaker 3: and now I can't go again.
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  Speaker 1: And then you found out that they, oh they had
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  Speaker 1: an exhibit you didn't even know. Yeah, that happens.
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  Speaker 3: Like I was like, well, let's find another one. It's like,
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  Speaker 3: let's go to infocom. Right, that falls over my birthday.
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  Speaker 3: So I've already got plans for my birthday because its
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  Speaker 3: my fortieth. It's gonna so the technical gods have not
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  Speaker 3: fallen in my favor for conferences this year. Maybe maybe
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  Speaker 3: I'll get to go to IBC, which is the International
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  Speaker 3: Broadcasters Conference, which is in Amsterdam, which would be awesome.
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  Speaker 1: Now you will be going to this year's gaming conference.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, that that's I moved by. I'll move having
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  Speaker 3: on Earth to go to that. That's I've been going
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  Speaker 3: to that for over a decade.
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  Speaker 1: You always send us some great photos from that too.
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  Speaker 1: I mean it's it's.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's called gen Con. It's called gen Con.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It's dubbed as the best four days in gaming. It's
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  Speaker 3: outside of Essen, which is the Game the Game Conference
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  Speaker 3: in Germany. It's one of the largest board game tabletop
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  Speaker 3: gaming conferences in the world. It's a four day event
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  Speaker 3: in Indianapolis. Board games, RPGs, D and D, card games, Magic,
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  Speaker 3: the gathering, you name it, it'll be done there.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: I usually yeah, it's great time. But I've been going
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  Speaker 3: since twenty fourteen, but I've had friends and family that
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  Speaker 3: have been going for all the way back into the
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  Speaker 3: seventies when it started.
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  Speaker 1: So well, that's gonna be good. Due. Well, we'll look
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  Speaker 1: forward to the coverage on that one. But a lot
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  Speaker 1: going on this week. You know. Apple has been in
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  Speaker 1: the news because they had their big conference. They've got
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  Speaker 1: some stuff coming up towards later in this week before
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  Speaker 1: the show airs, and there was some other information that
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  Speaker 1: went out that maybe they didn't want to go out.
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  Speaker 1: But first off, I got to ask you about the
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  Speaker 1: iPhone seventeen eight. Did you get it? Watched the Apple
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  Speaker 1: announcement or anything?
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  Speaker 2: I did not.
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  Speaker 3: I've been so busy I haven't kept up on that.
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  Speaker 3: I know that they announced the seventeen e, I don't
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  Speaker 3: honestly even know any of the details.
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  Speaker 1: It has the A nineteen chip, two hundred and fifty
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  Speaker 1: six gig based storage, and forty eight megapixel camera. And
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  Speaker 1: they said that the starting price of this is going
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  Speaker 1: to be about five hundred ninety nine bucks, because I
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  Speaker 1: think when we think of smartphones, we now put those
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  Speaker 1: in that eight hundred and ninety nine dollars to fifteen
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  Speaker 1: hundred dollars, depending on what features you're going to get.
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  Speaker 1: So having a phone that you know runs on the
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  Speaker 1: iOS interface that people you know do like is probably
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  Speaker 1: a really good thing. People are going to be liking
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  Speaker 1: the fact that they can get now a phone not
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  Speaker 1: as expensive. There was a lot of people talking about
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  Speaker 1: the last model that they put out, the S model,
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  Speaker 1: and they said what they stood for super cheap. I
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  Speaker 1: think is what you had mentioned Las.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the SC Yeah, I think Kalen had the fifteen
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  Speaker 3: sc or whatever at one point, it had the plastic
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  Speaker 3: back and it was it just was not a great phone.
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  Speaker 1: Those that are in the iOS interface that don't have,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the money to get the promaxes and the
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  Speaker 1: pros and whatnot, they just want a phone. This could
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  Speaker 1: be This could be a good solution for somebody.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, everybody's looking for a reliable, relatively inexpensive option.
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  Speaker 3: Not everybody can afford to drop eleven hundred dollars on
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  Speaker 3: a phone, yeah, which is a lot, right, That's just
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  Speaker 3: a lot of money. Yeah, And if you don't buy
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  Speaker 3: it outright, you're tied into some dumb two year contract
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  Speaker 3: with inflated prices. You're tied into their contract and you don't.
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  Speaker 2: Own the phone.
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  Speaker 3: It's the whole thing, Right, I'd rather I personally buy
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  Speaker 3: my phone's directly from Apple and then I own it.
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  Speaker 3: I can do what I want with it. I can
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  Speaker 3: go to whatever carrier I want. If I wanted to
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  Speaker 3: leave Verizon, it just feels better to be to do
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  Speaker 3: that versus Verizon owning the phone being able to control
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  Speaker 3: a lot more of the back end of stuff.
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  Speaker 1: But the downside too, was when when you buy a phone,
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  Speaker 1: and you're paying for it, and you're paying on you know,
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  Speaker 1: the month system. Well, what happens is after a while
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  Speaker 1: you end up finding that they've got a new model
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  Speaker 1: now and you maybe own your phone for maybe seven
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  Speaker 1: months and something.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, they always have.
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  Speaker 3: These aggressive buyback programs, right. But it's like the life
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  Speaker 3: cycle of devices. The way the technology is going so fast, right,
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  Speaker 3: is the life cycle devices is one year. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 3: it's done like one year and it's just out it.
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  Speaker 3: It's just we're out of the next thing.
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  Speaker 1: That causes some people fatigue, though, doesn't it?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, sure, of course it does.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, because there's a consumer mindset. Consume means to just
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  Speaker 3: take and consume. Some people have an addiction to consuming,
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  Speaker 3: meaning I have to have the newest, best thing. It's
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  Speaker 3: a mindset, it's a lifestyle. I'm running iPhone thirteen Pro
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  Speaker 3: and before that I had a seven plus.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you waited a while. I'm not.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm satisfied with my phone. It does everything
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  Speaker 3: I needed to do, and it does more than I
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  Speaker 3: needed to do.
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  Speaker 2: I also don't live on my phone. Right.
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  Speaker 1: They'll tell though, is faster process, longer battery life, which again,
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  Speaker 1: every time they put out of a new device. That's
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  Speaker 1: what they're gonna say, whether that's whether it's Samsung or
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  Speaker 1: whether it's it's Apple or or Google.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: So it's interesting because in my mind, the world's technology
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  Speaker 3: it was all about compression, better data speeds, bettert file sizes. Right,
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  Speaker 3: that's going to continue to get better, which it does,
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  Speaker 3: which means you can store more and do it faster.
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  Speaker 1: Right, But we just.
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  Speaker 3: Keep extending how big things are, how big the files are. Right,
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  Speaker 3: Nobody needs to record eight K on their phone. Nobody
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  Speaker 3: needs to record four K on their phone if you're
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  Speaker 3: watching it out of two inch you know, four by
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  Speaker 3: two inch screen, right, No, you're never gonna notice that.
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  Speaker 1: But a content creator might want some of those.
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  Speaker 3: Sure, no, I understand. But again, I don't live. I
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  Speaker 3: don't make money off my phone. It serves a purpose.
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  Speaker 3: I text that's a text, and scroll YouTube and Reddit
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  Speaker 3: on my phone.
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  Speaker 2: That's all I do, don't you think?
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  Speaker 1: Do you think some of the phone manufacturers, whether it
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  Speaker 1: be the Big three or or whatnot, would eventually like
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  Speaker 1: you to not have a computer a laptop and.
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  Speaker 3: Have you to do That's what That's what Amazon wants,
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  Speaker 3: That's what Jeff Bezos has come out and said, I
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  Speaker 3: want you to rent your computer in the cloud. I
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  Speaker 3: want you to do all your computer processing in the cloud.
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  Speaker 3: You're just gonna have a screen that connects to the
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  Speaker 3: Internet and that's your that that's your computer. You're not
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  Speaker 3: gonna do any of your processing in the cloud. And
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  Speaker 3: Microsoft's been toying with it. Xboxes does it. You can
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  Speaker 3: do Xbox streaming. It's crazy to think that not only
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  Speaker 3: are you not going to own your content, you're not
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  Speaker 3: gonna own the devices that it's done on. Meaning if
• 9:34
  Speaker 3: you don't have Internet, you're just host. Yeah, and it's
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  Speaker 3: just a weird It's just a weird place where in
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  Speaker 3: now where you don't you're just as a consumer, you're
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  Speaker 3: starting to just not own things, including game your own
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  Speaker 3: stuff that you pay for, which is weird.
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  Speaker 1: We don't see this as much, or we don't hear
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  Speaker 1: about this as much in the smartphone world even tablet world,
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  Speaker 1: but as PC users we're fighting. Everything is is more
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  Speaker 1: expensive now, hard drive space. I saw a kid the
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  Speaker 1: other day. I was walking by. I was coming out
• 10:05
  Speaker 1: of the grocery store here and I was going to
• 10:07
  Speaker 1: get my car, and I saw a kid sitting in
• 10:09
  Speaker 1: a car, probably about nineteen eighteen years old, and he
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  Speaker 1: was going through a package and he opened it and
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  Speaker 1: I just, you know, I caught the corner of my
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  Speaker 1: eye and it was Ram. And the kid had a
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  Speaker 1: couple of you know, it looked like hyper X memory sticks.
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  Speaker 1: And I looked at him and this window is that.
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  Speaker 1: I said, to get a good deal on those, you know,
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  Speaker 1: And he's like, oh yeah, A friend of mine from
• 10:28
  Speaker 1: work sold him. Because RAM right now is at a
• 10:31
  Speaker 1: premium hard drive space. We're hearing now is coming out
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  Speaker 1: of premium because it's all going to well AI developers
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  Speaker 1: or AI cloud storage.
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  Speaker 2: We have talked on the show.
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  Speaker 3: In the just over the decade that I've been on
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  Speaker 3: the show, We've just been constantly talking about here's how
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  Speaker 3: you build drug computer. It's so much fun. It's relatively inexpensive.
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  Speaker 3: It's cheaper than buying it from the store.
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  Speaker 2: Now it's just expensive. Yeah, it's absurd.
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  Speaker 1: I had a shop recently and I think I said
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  Speaker 1: this story they built. I built two high end computers
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  Speaker 1: for them. I mean top of the line graphics, top
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  Speaker 1: of the line storage, top of the line RAM top motherboard,
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  Speaker 1: the whole bit. They loved it. They absolutely loved it,
• 11:09
  Speaker 1: and I remember the owner of that company called me
• 11:11
  Speaker 1: and he said, hey, I need a new system. And
• 11:15
  Speaker 1: I told him, I said, cool, you know what are
• 11:17
  Speaker 1: you going to do with it? And he told me,
• 11:18
  Speaker 1: he says, you know, it's going to be for accounting,
• 11:20
  Speaker 1: but occasionally he wants to do some printing on he
• 11:22
  Speaker 1: works with Correl works with for a print shop. And
• 11:26
  Speaker 1: I said, cool, let me see what I come up with.
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  Speaker 1: I started pricing out the boards, the memory, that system
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  Speaker 1: that originally you know, a couple of years ago, for
• 11:36
  Speaker 1: a new one. He spent eighteen hundred and fifty bucks
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  Speaker 1: for this system that's without monitor, without keyboard, mouse, the
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  Speaker 1: whole bit. This system was going to be close to
• 11:44
  Speaker 1: twenty six hundred dollars. And that's just I could still
• 11:48
  Speaker 1: make a little on it. But for him to get
• 11:50
  Speaker 1: the top of the line, his son ended up finding
• 11:54
  Speaker 1: a I think it's a Dell. He ended up getting
• 11:56
  Speaker 1: up a high end Dell system that was great. It
• 12:00
  Speaker 1: had every I mean, he still ended up hiring me
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  Speaker 1: to come in and transfer his data from the old
• 12:05
  Speaker 1: computer and get it onto the new one. But in hindsight,
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  Speaker 1: you can't buy a computer you could do a year
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  Speaker 1: ago for the same amount of money.
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  Speaker 2: No, I know, it's it's wild to think.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I bought I upgraded by RAM when Monster
• 12:18
  Speaker 3: Hunter Rise came out. Yeah, that's right, because you know,
• 12:22
  Speaker 3: I was running sixteen gigs RAM and it was like
• 12:24
  Speaker 3: at the bottom end of the spectru that and I
• 12:26
  Speaker 3: bumped it up and I'm running thirty two gigs of
• 12:28
  Speaker 3: RAM now and it was d d R five And
• 12:30
  Speaker 3: I looked back at that look but I know it
• 12:32
  Speaker 3: was like, it's three times the price of what I
• 12:34
  Speaker 3: paid for it now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy to think about.
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  Speaker 1: You're almost you're almost better off going right now to
• 12:40
  Speaker 1: big box stores, Like if you don't get Best Buy,
• 12:44
  Speaker 1: check out their open box stuff. I've had great successful
• 12:47
  Speaker 1: the laptop that I bought an open box save save
• 12:50
  Speaker 1: quite a bit of money on that. But even stores
• 12:52
  Speaker 1: at Costco or Sam's Club. I mean, I I've always
• 12:55
  Speaker 1: touted build it yourself. You're gonna have the joy of
• 12:58
  Speaker 1: building it yourself, but you gotta have a little deeper
• 13:00
  Speaker 1: wallet or be very select full. Now, maybe not spend
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  Speaker 1: as much on that high end graphics card. Maybe go
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  Speaker 1: a couple generations down and spend a little more on
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  Speaker 1: the RAM or what you would want from it.
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  Speaker 3: So think about it, right, and videos said, Man, we're
• 13:14
  Speaker 3: not making cars to like twenty twenty seven.
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  Speaker 2: What does that mean for game development?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: What does that mean for you know?
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  Speaker 3: You just had this ridiculous rise in quality of video
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  Speaker 3: games right in the last two decades, just explode it.
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  Speaker 3: But now we've just hit this plateau where they're not
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  Speaker 3: gonna develop They can't develop games that people are gonna
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  Speaker 3: be able to play because they don't the equipment to
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  Speaker 3: do it. So are we gonna see is it gonna
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  Speaker 3: level off for a while? Are we going to see
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  Speaker 3: a decrease in quality so that we can get people
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  Speaker 3: back in on those that are running the twenty sixties
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  Speaker 3: and that you know, the ten sixties, ten to seventies,
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  Speaker 3: Like there's a lot of people still running a lot
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  Speaker 3: of those cards, a lot of those early generation RTCH
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  Speaker 3: card can't afford upgrade.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the other thing too, is the game developers will
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  Speaker 1: just say, well, let's just port it. So instead you're
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  Speaker 1: buying something on a console, whether you have an Xbox
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  Speaker 1: or a PlayStation a Nintendo, it's gonna be playing on
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  Speaker 1: that console, nor.
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  Speaker 3: Is or are we gonna be forced down a fork
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  Speaker 3: in the road. It takes us to AI just to
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  Speaker 3: stream in the cloud. The cloud can support it. Now
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  Speaker 3: we've got all these crazy GPUs.
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  Speaker 2: And stuff that you can rent in the cloud, right.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to rent to play the games that
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  Speaker 2: I own?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 3: Oh I got an hour to play games. Let me
• 14:19
  Speaker 3: dial up the Amazon instance for an hour. That's four
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  Speaker 3: hours and eighty five cents per hour or something stupid.
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  Speaker 3: That's what it's coming down to. I deal enough with
• 14:28
  Speaker 3: with SaaS in the cloud right now, Software as a
• 14:31
  Speaker 3: service for those of you who don't do cloud stuff
• 14:33
  Speaker 3: right right.
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: And it's money.
• 14:35
  Speaker 3: The clock literally starts ticking as soon as you run
• 14:37
  Speaker 3: the instance, and it's the bandwidth is there, and if
• 14:40
  Speaker 3: you don't shut it off, you pay for it. So
• 14:42
  Speaker 3: it's wild to think that that's where we're going. Where
• 14:44
  Speaker 3: we're gonna just have a meter running on our computer.
• 14:47
  Speaker 3: So now what I used to pay for internet? I
• 14:50
  Speaker 3: mean I used to pay for internet, right, but you
• 14:51
  Speaker 3: used to pay by the minute. We're just back to
• 14:53
  Speaker 3: paying more for what we already had at less quality.
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: I was talking to somebody the other day about that,
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: about the cost of things versus and let's face it,
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: there are AI solutions now for just about anything. And
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: I was telling them, yeah, you know, I've got the
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: Adobe Suite, I do the whole cloud, Creative Cloud to
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: do the full thing on that. And I found something
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: new that's available from Adobe. It's the Adobe Animator, which
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: is actually kind of fun. I don't see a practical
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: purpose for it, at least for me yet, but it's
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: kind of fun to play with and it's neat. But
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: I had taken a photo of Mickey Rooney that I
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: had with me and my former morning show partner, and
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: it was it was bad. I was taken with film
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: camera back in nineteen ninety two, not the best situation,
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: not the best camera. So I took this photo and
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: I was looking at him, go I wish it was
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: a better picture. So I put it in a Photoshop
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: and I was adjusting it a little. I was like, okay, still.
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: Then I said let's see what Gemini can do. And
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: Gemini cleaned it up. And the thing is is like,
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: I wonder if people will get to a point they go, well,
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: let's just let let AI do it. You know, is
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: Adobe gonna eventually? I mean, I know this is probably
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: stupid to even say. But will Adobe eventually just say
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: everything's AI? But it's our AI model now and you
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: need to create this. Tell it what you want to
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: create and it can do it. You know. I wonder
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: if some of these great software is, like you know,
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: Adobe or some of the correll or some of those
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: others will eventually all just be cloud based.
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: We're about to go into a dark black hole of content. Yeah,
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: and it's gonna be AI content. And corporations don't care
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: about who they pay for their art as long as
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: it looks good and start sales product. Right, So now
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: you're going to take all of this human element out
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: of art and it's gonna become so sterile and so ugly.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it may not look ugly, but it's gonna
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: feel ugly.
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: You're in a world right now where you have to
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: critically think about stuff to whether or not it's AI?
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: Was that image generated? AI? Was that video generated? I trust?
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: But verify?
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: How do you do that in a world of AI
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: where everything looks so good it's getting better too, and
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: it's getting better. So and now you're paying pennies on
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: the dollar for content that would have cost you know,
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: x amount of dollars for a real person to do
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: it with revisions and feedback and critical feedback. You're paying
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: somebody for a product. Those people are now out of jobs.
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: You're taking fundamental humanity out of the world in content creation.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: For just I don't even know how to explain it.
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: It's so mind boggling that in a world that values
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: art and humanities, we're just tossing it into the wood chipper.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: Let's take, for an example, something that I experimented with
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: this week and I sent one to Sean and one
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: to Justin. People have been telling me about Suno and
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: Suno is Ai is a generative AI music platform that
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: helps you create high quality songs including lyrics, vocals, and instrumentation.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: All you do is you simply text prompt it and
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: you could generate music and various genres and by describing
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: the style, the mood, the topic. Now, for me, as
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: a professional in broadcasting that does a lot of commercial
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: production for others as well as this station too, the
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: idea of buying a music library has been great. We've
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: got a music library here on CD that we've had
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: since nineteen ninety four and it sounds like it, but
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: we find that there are ways to use that and
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: shorten stuff up, and it sounds good. It's good. But
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: I was doing commercial for somebody else the other day
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: and we needed some upbeat, kind of fun music, and
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: I thought I couldn't find anything. So I went on
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: to Souno and I started looking at it and then
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: I was like, ooh, I couldn't ask it to generate this.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: So I had to create a song for us for
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: tech Talk radio, and I was kind of I'll be
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: honest with you, I was blown away.
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: You said it to me and you just said, hey,
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: listen to this. You didn't tell me it was Ai,
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: and I was like, oh, this is a good country song.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: I was like, oh wait, it's about tech talk. Oh wait,
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: it's using her names, it's mentioned you who. This is cool.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: Oh it's Aisy, It's cool.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: Now it was gonna yeah, there's a lot outroard now, Sean.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: But people are saying, wait a minute, that people are
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: going to create music. My son has created music, has
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: put out albums, and but he did it the old
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: fashioned way. I mean, do you actually you know you
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: had to put together the beach, You had to do
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: all of that. Now they have computers that can generate
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: these instruments that sounds so good. The vocals even sound good.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: It's a song that is really just yours because it's
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: created with your prompts and they have a free plan.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: They also have a paid option. I went ahead and
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: I did the paid option because I said to me myself,
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: I don't want another subscription but ten dollars a month
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: and I could cancel it anytime. I want to see
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: what I can do with this. I want to do
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: a segment on Chemisty Fox eleven about Souno. But to
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: be able to use something that I create, I have
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: to have a paid plan. And say I have a
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: paid plan and I create something with it, and then
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: I have it on the website. Well, if I stop
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: my paid plan, legally I have to take it off
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: the website. It's really their creation. Yes, I'm paying to
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: use it.
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: Yes, that's what people don't understand. When you're generating this
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: stuff on there in the fine print, you don't own
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: a thing in some of these places, A lot of
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: the free ones, a lot of the stuff that you
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: can get for free or that's.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: Cheap, you don't own it.
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: Meaning if you create something that goes viral, they can
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: come back and say, well, that's really are so you
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: potentially owe us a bunch of money for that.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, or or you pay you continue to pay the license. Yeah,
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: you can still have it.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: It's a mile to think how much people don't realize
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: they don't own anymore.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: It's like that guy Seth drums and I don't know
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: how he gets his music. I don't know if he
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: uses Sony or another, but he takes songs and you
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: gotta look at this guy online, Seth drums. He creates
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: these songs, but he gives them a twist. So imagine
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: in the Air Tonight by Phil Collins done as a
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: dark country song and it sounds really good. I honestly
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: have listened to a song. I would buy a CD
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: of these songs. They're the songs we love yet, but
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: they've had takedowns because it's songs that somebody else has recorded, obviously,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: and he's just manipulating them.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I've said it before, Andie is just getting
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: to a scary point where you're just taking the human
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: element out of.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: Everything, and how do you do that with music?
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: There it's such a weird, such a weird spot with
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: AI right now, like we don't know what to believe
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: you don't and you know, I'm finding myself using less
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: and less AI.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like I just don't do it because I just
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: need if I needed, not like I do it just.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: Rarely to look up just to hey, can you calculate
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: this resistor value for me?
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: Or like things like that, like can you find this
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: in the.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: Manual for me? Or But it's like I'm not using it.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: To do stuff.
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: However, the oh, the music thing or the pseudo Yeah,
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: I've got I've had this project that I've wanted to
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: do for a long time. Right, So BlizzCon which is
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: the Blizzard convention they do every year, well, they had
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: they have a short film.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Contest, oh wow.
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: And for the longest time, I've wanted to do a
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: parody video. So think of it like you know those
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: old CD commercials that had the scrolling song titles and
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: they would come out and talk about them and air
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: like five second clips of these songs, a ten CD
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: compilation of all these songs, and I want to do
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: parodies of real songs, but in like Blizzard thematics, right,
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: And I've never had an opportunity because it's like, how
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: do I come up with song titles? How do I
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: come up with songs that I want to do? How
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: do I come up with the songs? How do I
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: develop songs? Souno, you sent me that song, and I'm
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: sure I can even say, like give me a you know,
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: because there's like one specific song that I know that
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: will work well with the MC hammer song. I know
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: I can get it to prompt me to sound make
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: it sound something like that. And I'm conflicted because I
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: don't want to use AI, but I know I can
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: do it with AI, and I think I could do
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: it well. So but how will the community react if
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: I do something with AI?
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: Because the community gave me community? The gaming world is
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: very much against using the I for stuff. Yea, they are,
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: but content creators are not, well.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: So there's there's that medium. If you just throw slop,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: just throw it at people, they just I'm done with it, right,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: But if it's enough, if if it's a mixture of
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: your your art or your your music with that all combined,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's no difference in me going out. It's
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: spending one hundred dollars on a bundle of music that
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: I can use for six months than doing something like this.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: It's just it's just not right, and it's the uncanny valley.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: It's so hard to identify where that is anymore.
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: I mean, you feel you you can, right, and it's
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: it's now becoming an ethical thing where it's like you,
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: if you don't tell somebody you made it with AI,
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: you're that's just all that's just awful, right.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: You have to say this is created with AI.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: You can't go into a project or something that you're
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: claiming is your own and saying I made this and
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: not telling you, not telling people it's made to the I,
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: because that's just disingenuous, right, that's bad. It's unethical. A
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: human element that says this is something.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: That you created.
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: This adds value to you as a person. And if
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: you're claiming that you made this, you put all the
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: effort into it and it comes turns around that it's
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: AI and you just typed in her prompt that that
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: doesn't sit well with me.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah. There was a picture earlier this week, as a
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: matter of fact, just before the show, before we recorded
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: the show, I pulled up and it was a photo
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: of a downed pilot after last weekend, and this down pilot.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Female pilot was shot down by friendly fire in Kuwait,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: and it was three of the villagers that people that
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: lived in this village her that she parachuted down and landed,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: that were helping her. And it was a very warm
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: photo and I looked at it and I thought, Wow,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: that's great. But now I can't look at a photo
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: and say, wait, is that AI? But that created? Because
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: he can't tell. You can't tell exactly.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: And if somebody doesn't tell you, it's on you to
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: look it up. I'm just so tired of having to go, hmm,
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: is this A or not. I'm just avoiding reading a
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: lot of stuff right now. I'm sure I get served
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: AI content all the time that I think is real.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: If I'm just scrolling through quickly, they're doing it, and
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: you can and you can tell, like on YouTube shorts,
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: you can tell winnsday a, I generated a voice, skip,
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: thumbed down whatever. But you just don't know anymore. And
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: it's easy for a copywriter an editorial staff to just
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: rely on chatchipe to clean up there, to clean it
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: up a little bit, to polish it a little bit.
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: And now you're getting AI mixed in with news that is.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: It's just a weird ethical place and I don't know
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: how to feel about it.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: We got to take a break, but when we come back,
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: we do have a listener question and I know you
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: are the person, Sean to answer it, so we'll do
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: that when we come back with tech talk Radio. I'm
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: Andy Taylor, I'm Seanda Weird.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: Find us on the web at tech talk radio dot com.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: We'll bear back now back to tech talk Radio.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: I'm really enjoying listening to it show.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: It's really cool, well informative.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: Rookie.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: I'm really like the rook So I wanted to redeem
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: myself since we were talking about AI and photoshop and
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: all that, I did something. Now I think that does
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: tell me, Sean, does this make it okay? So? I
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: had a picture of Gloria after we had met Ozzy
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: Osbourne years ago two thousand and I want to say two.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: Maybe it was And it was a great photo and
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: she's like with her back to me, and she's got
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: a shirt on it and has Ozzy on the shirt,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: and her glasses are kind of down so you could
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: see her eyes right. It was taken with a film
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: camera and it was taken in our bedroom, which had
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: beige walls. You could see the vertical blinds in the
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: back and I thought, ah, this picture. I like the picture.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Gloria looks great, but it's still me. So I put
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: it into Gemini and I said, can you clean this
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: up for me? And it gave me, Oh, that looks
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: a lot better. And I said, hey, can you fix
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: the background? And I put in what the prompts were?
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: You know, this was after meeting Ozzy Osbourne. You know
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: it's music oriented and you know if you can enhance it,
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: and it gave a new background to the picture and
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: it looked really good, right. I shout it to the
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: Gloria and she's like, it's good, except I have green eyes.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: So I did the prompt green eyes because you can
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: see her eyes and I don't know what it was saked,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: but it made her serpent green eyes. They'll like take
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: it over all. It's like, oh, this is not gonna fly.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: So I ended up going and I I used AI
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: for the information. I opened up Photoshop and I asked,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: I said, you know, I asked me. I said, hey,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: how do I change the color of an eyeball in
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: a photo that I have? And it talked me through
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: it to go in and create a separate layer. Go
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: in and highlight what you want to change, Go and
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: create a separate layer, and then adjust the coloring in
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: that layer came out perfect, So he was able to
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: use Photoshop and AI to get it done. Is that
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: make it okay if you adjust it using Photoshop or
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: is it still oh so? No?
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: So right, So there's a difference between just prompting AI
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: and then shilling the result.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: But if you're using AI as a tool, which it
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: is to ask for help and learn how to do
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: a skill, that's different.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: Now, yes, you are using photoshop to adjust. Photoshop has
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: been around for a long time. People have been manipulating
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: photos with Photoshop for a very very long time. So
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: people are very very.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: Good at it.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't That to me is a little bit
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: less of a gray area than using just AI to
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: do it. Yeah, but it's still photo manipulation, right, It's
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: still not real.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: It's still so. I have a pretty.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: Long standing self rule with my photography. I've never okay,
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: I can't say no. I very rarely will use Photoshop
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: or anything to do any editing in my photos. Really
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: only post production I do on ninety nine percent of
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: my photos is in light room, and it's basic functions
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: brightest contrast, color balance, you know, some sharpening, things like that.
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: I'm very awful at photoshop. I've tried my hand at it.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: I'm not good at it, so my photos would not
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: benefit from that. But I just don't do anything outside
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: of what I can do in lightroom. Yeah, okay, that
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: might include some AI noise reduction, but I'm not doing
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: any addition. I'm not doing any retraction. It's just those
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: basic functions.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: For me.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: That's something that I'm hard stuck on that. I just
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: don't do eye color changes. I don't do blemish removal.
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: I don't do any of that. It doesn't serve me
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: a purpose.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Well, the New Life you can do multiple blemish changes
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: across several individuals.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: At what point am I almost forced into using AI
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: in this stuff?
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: It's I don't want to. I'm holding onto Lightroom Classic
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: because it doesn't bring in some of those features and
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: functions that I don't want. I don't need the subscription model.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: You get those, you're tied into them. It's so hard
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: to pay for a subscription for a lot of the
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: content you don't use, but you have no options. Yeah,
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: I can't buy a copylight room anymore. I have to
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: subscribe to it.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Now we have the old version. Yeah, now they.
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: Show it to you as Oh, well, you get the
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: most up to date features, you get, the updates you get,
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: the upgrades you get. Well, I don't want that stuff.
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: I want this version that I know that I've worked
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: on for, you know, for so long. It's just it's
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: we're in such a weird place with technology.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: All right, let's get retired.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: Let's get to our question. This is from Bill and
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Selwodita all right says, hey, guys, saw your segment on
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Fox eleven and found your show. Well that's good, so
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: I enjoy it, but wonder I would like to get
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: a home security camera. So he was obviously watching when
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: we were doing our segment about the Google doorbell camera
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: and garafit. But he says, your segment went by pretty fast.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: What are some products I should look at? And as
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: Google as bad as it sounds, and you know, with
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: the Nancy Guthrie case, Google did get a lot of
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: people saying, wait, that's a worthless camera. If you have
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: a Google Nest doorbell, it can serve as a way
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: to answer your door, and that's kind of what we
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: were talking about the segment. So if you were in
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: the backyard or even away from your home, you can
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: answer the door without a subscription. You don't have to
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: have a subscription for that. It will store three hours
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: of that video content, so you can go back and
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: look and say, wait, who came by my house at
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: one in the morning, or who came and delivered earlier today,
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: or was the dog outside in the front yard. That
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: that will do. However, there's no SD card in that
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: Google device. As a matter of fact, I have the
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Google Nest, another security camera. There's no SD card in it,
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: so I have to pay a subscription per year, which
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: I believe is sixty maybe eighty five bucks something like that.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: But quality is good, so they aren't really as bad
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: as it sounds. It's just in this particular case we
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: heard a lot about Google Nest doorbell no capture. They
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: had to scrub through the video to find what they
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: were able to find so far, and there's probably more
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: that they're discovering, but they aren't. It's you should not
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: not look at Google, but there are other options.
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: It all depends on what you want to pay for
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: what features you want. Yeah, right, I'm a big Wise proponent.
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: I think their cameras are great. Why I wyze.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: I think you can get a lot out of just
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: the Camplus subscription. To be honest, I don't know what
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: the current subscription models are. I've been tied into.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: I have the unlimited Camplus plan, which means I can
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: get Camplus for an unlimited number of cameras on my account,
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: and it's ninety nine dollars a year a year, okay
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: a year. So every year I charge to get charged
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: ninety nine bucks for the Camp Plus across every camera
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: that I own, and I think I have twelve.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: Wow, because I know with the sixty I pay, it
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: just covers the doorbell, another room that we have, and
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: then of course the main nest camp. Yeah that's and
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: the more cameras you have, the more you will pay
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: with Google. So the Wise plan that's actually pretty good. Yeah,
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: you add a camera and they won't add more money
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: to it.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: No, it's unlimited.
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: I have an unlimited I can just keep adding Camplus
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: if as long as I have the camera. I have
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: to add the camera in the serial number and all
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: stuff and that served me. Well, Right, I've got the
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: doorbell camera, I've got a camera on the farm of house.
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: I've got a camera on the back of my house.
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: I've got a camera upstairs. I've got I think i
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: have six cameras on right now, and I've got other
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: ones that I can put in places that I just
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: I have more cameras that I really need. But I've
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: also upgraded from you know, the version twos to the
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: version threes to the version fours, and so I have
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: some of those older ones that are sitting around not
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: doing much, but they can run RTSP, so I can
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: bring them in without even going to the cloud if
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: I want to. Some of the old older cameras, you
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: can run some custom firmware on them.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: They do have SD right, you said that they have.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: SD cards in them. Yeah, so you can record locally.
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: So any event that's recorded is recorded locally and is
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: viewable in the cloud, which is great. And it uses
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: some of their AI features like package detection, vehicle detection,
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: person detection, that kind of thing. And I've had a
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: really great experience with Wise. The occasional outage for service
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: or maintenance or whatever.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: They did have a.
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: Couple of security concerns over the years that I've granted
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: that's just a nature of doing business in the cloud,
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: a nature of doing an Internet.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: Of things business.
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the expectation is that something is going to happen
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: with your data, and that's a terrible thing to say.
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: The US not have good consumer protection laws against stuff
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: happening in the cloud, and we're just not great at it.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: That's a whole another conversation, no time.
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: But every business has your data stored and they're supposed
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: to do securely following the rules. Something happens, it gets leaked,
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: it gets why is this had a couple instances of
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: that very early on. I've had a great experience with them.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: I don't feel that the data that's available on for
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: them from me is not a concern.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: How about the quality of the camera, because that's the
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: other thing too, you want to be able to see.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Real Link has gotten some great, great reviews about some
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: of their products. The cameras are a little more expensive.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: I don't know if there is as much as some
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: of the Google Nest devices, but I have one really
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: camera and I remember the quality on it is very good.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: How about wise as.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, don't I don't think I would go below.
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: The force like the four or the you know, the
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: four pros. You saw some pretty significant quality increases up
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: to the four. I think they do two and a
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: half K. The newest ones might even do four K.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: You know, the V ones, the V twos, the V threes.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: You're not gonna get your money's worth out of those anymore.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: They even sell from what I understand, wise has the
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: They have the camera system. It's two lights. It can
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: go over your garage, so it's high enough the I
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: mean unless somebody's bringing a camera I mean a ladder
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: with them. But they go over your garage. And then
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: there's a camera that's mounted and it can be turned
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: so you could see, hey, what's going on over by
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: our front door or over towards the back of the house.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: You could turn that.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: I mean with the doorbell camera, which I've had since
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: twenty nineteen, I think twenty twenty. Even I can see
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: and read a license plate in a car parked be
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: a driveway, which is probably twenty five feet away.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: Now, we had an instance where some people broke into
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: cars in our neighborhood.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this was maybe two years ago.
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: And you know the car came down our road, turned
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: out their lights as they were driving, and then it
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: happened to park in front of our house and peruse
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: the neighborhood and break into some cars.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: And I was able to provide that footage. And it
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: was relatively difficult to make out the make and model
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: of the car. It was nighttime, so the quality was lower.
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: The car was moving as it went by, so it
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: was kind of hard to tell. But you know, I
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: was able to go, well, I think it's a pt cruiser.
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: I don't know if that's what a car was, but
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: that's what it looked like. But so you're not gonna
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: be able to you know. But that's why that was
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: sixty five seventy feet away or more. And but you
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: could tell there were five or six people that got
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: out of the car and they walked.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: Around the neighborhood.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: You could watch them as they walked and stuff, and
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: other people caught them on their doorbell cameras and stuff too.
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: But as far as like quality of somebody come up
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: and ringing the doorbell, I can immediately tell who it is. Yeah,
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: I can see who it is. I can see it's Amazon,
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: I can see waldy is good enough for me. I
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: I it's you know, your miles may vary, but.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Not to stick with the theme here too. But a
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: lot of the companies are selling it as AI face detection,
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: so it will tell you who's at the door.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: I think it's just using their cloud.
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: AIS was a buzzword for a long time early on
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: is right, So AI in the cloud, Well, it's just
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: using the cloud. It's it's using just some generic face
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: detections very software.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: That looks like Jim Carrey, but it might be a
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: guy in a mask if they could be it too.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: That's something to think about. So, you know, when it
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: comes to cameras, definitely wise is one to look at.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: They make a doorbell camera? Are they easy to for somebody?
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: You know listening to this and you know, we want
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: to do this. My neighbor keeps telling me I want
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: to do it. I told her I'd do it for her.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: She buys, buys the device, I'll go ahead and put
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: it install it for her. Are they easy to install? Very? Yeah?
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: I mean you have to have decent a decent like
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: you can't set it to one hundred feet away from
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: your WiFi router and expected to work right, you've.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: Got to be centrally located. Our house is not that big.
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: The majority of the cameras are sub one hundred feet
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: from the router. They connect on two point four gig.
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: We're not in a busy neighborhood, so our WiFi is
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: not super congested. I've had very minimal problems connecting to
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: my cameras. It takes a few seconds on the app
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: to add it. You scan the QR code, it's up
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: and running, You type in which Wi Fi you want
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: it to be on, and then you add it to
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: your devices and you're up and running, and then wherever
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: you put in your house within reason, it will connect
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: and work.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: The only downside with the whys.
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: It has been a bummer for me is that it's
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: cloud connected only. You can still store stuff locally on
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: the SD card, but if you want to view the
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: stuff through the app, it has to go through the cloud.
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: So you have to be pushing content to the cloud
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: if you want to see it on your phone. I
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: don't know how many options are out there that don't
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: do that, where if you're out and about, well, there's
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: no way for you to get content if you're not
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: pushing it to the cloud to your device. There's just
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: no way around that. So unless you're completely isolated and
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: to an on prem solution. Again against the point of
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: buying a home security system if you're in a way
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: and want to be able to see what's happening, So
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: you have to have some sort of cloud premise for
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: your your security system. So it's all up to brand preference.
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: It's all up to just do your research, like find
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: people that have different different opinions on it than you do,
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: read the reviews.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: Go in and you know it. You got to just
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: do you to do.
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: Your due diligence on the stuff that you're concerned about,
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: and if you're putting it in your house for your
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: own home security, if you don't do your due diligence
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: on finding out whether or not this product is safe,
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: whether or not they've had hacks, or whether or not
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: you know they're going to steal your data or whatever.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: That's on you.
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: So you got to spend a little bit of time
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: to do the research and you know you can trust
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: us if you want. I feel like we're great, trustworthy.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: Kind of I will say before we got to take
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: a break, garafit is the one I looked at and
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: I showed it on television, but we were kind of
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: out of time at the end. Garrif. It's interesting because
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: it goes inside your window. It sticks to your window,
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: you clean the window, there's no glare. It uses Chroma
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: Chroma AI, and it enhances from black and white to color.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: It's I want to say it's two K, might be
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: four K, and it has an SD card inside or
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: you could push it to the cloud and it is inexpensive.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: They're about forty bucks. So that's another solution. If you
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: want to point a camera and it's inside your house outside,
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: that's something to look at. Got to take that break.
• 41:42
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• 41:44
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• 41:46
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• 41:48
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• 41:53
  Speaker 2: So we just talked about why is in the last
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: segment of the Wise Cameras.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, something that I've used.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: And we talked about it again. I say this all
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: the time. We talked about on the show before the
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: Wise Smart switch. It's touted as a switch that you
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: just you take out an existing one hundred and twenty
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: volte switch, you put this one in in line with
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: your normal power right, and it creates a smart switch
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: that you can then tap. You know, you can do
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: multiple functions single tap, double tap, triple tap, long press.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: Et cetera.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: And what would you be able to achieve with that?
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: You can make rules turn this light bulb and turn
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: that light bulb off, turn the cameras on, turn the
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: cameras off.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: You can do whatever you want. Any rule you can create.
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: You can assign it to one of these functions. The
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: problem is it's not convenient because you have to replace
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: a switch, and then, like you actually have to replace
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: a switch, you have to physically wire it in. I
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: thought it was going to be portable, like I could
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: set it on the shelf or set it on the counter,
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: or set it on my desk. I now have I
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: have three of these in my house. None of them
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: are actually mounted in the wall as a normal switch.
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: Because I said, you know what, I wonder if I
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: could make one make one of these work. So I
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: tore it apart, right, And we've talked about me doing
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: a segment on this, and I want to do it
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: now because this is actually a thing.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: So I got an email from YS A couple of
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: days ago, and it.
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: Said we want you to you will want your feedback
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: on a beta option that we're thinking about doing.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: The Wise click a smart.
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: Button concept all right, key feature, single press, double press
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: multi button, works with wise devices, reusable adhesion mounting and
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: optional mounding plates. Integrates with Alexa, Google Home I F.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: T T no wiring required, portable and movable.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: I made one of those.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: Oh you're kidding me?
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: And now this so I'm holding up the WY switch,
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: which is the guts of the WY switch right.
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: All the WHY switch is is one hundred and twenty
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: volt transformer that drops it to five vaults to power
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: the logic board. Right, So in the in here, I
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: just took off the back, I took out the power transformer,
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: bought a two inch gang box, mounted the guts in there,
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: mounted the face plate to it, and internally wired on
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: a USB to the five volt leads. So now I
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: just use a regular wall phone charger that does five volts,
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: and I could do things like this, which would be
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: I can turn on the white lights just by using this.
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: I can double tap on the switch to make him
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: blue again. This I can long press turn them all off.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: All because I just took a y switch, broke it apart,
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: took the logic board out off the transformer, put it
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: in a two inch gang box, used two zip ties
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: to tie it together with a USB cable that I
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: chopped up and used the power leads.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: For you think Wise was watching you on their Wise can.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe, but I think we've talked about
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: this enough on the show.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna buy another one of these.
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: Right and do it. It'll probably It takes me less
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: than twenty minutes to put it together.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: Wow, And you can do it right now.
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: You don't have to wait for them to come up
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: with a new product. You could do it with this
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: everything they talked about in this email. What would you
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: use it for? Why would you use it? Would you
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: would you make it portable? Would you want it to
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: be rechargeable?
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: Would it right?
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: You just plugged us in. We use it all the
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: time upstairs.
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: For our lights in the main room. The boys can
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: go over and put to push the BUTTT turns on
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: both light bulbs in the living room. You double tap
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: it to dim them to two percent, so at night
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: time it's not as brighter. In the morning, long press
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: turns off all the lights on the main floor of
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: the house. So when it's like, hey, Max, it's time
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: to go to bed, he goes over long press turns
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: off all the lights on the main floor right there.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: There's other manufacturers who offer this. Roku obviously has that
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: as well with their smart bulb systems. Google does offer
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: that we integrated with their Home Assistant. If you've got
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: that or even you know the Amazon devices, you could
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: do that as well with theirs. But you're doing it yourself.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: I think that makes it even better. Just how much
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: was it the total project for you? Like to get
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: it done? Oh?
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: I mean the gang box is like a dollar fifty
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: wow zip ties I had later around the house. USB
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: cable came from some device that I chopped up a
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: long time ago.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: We'll put pictures of that up on our blog blog dot.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna do I'm just gonna buy a new one.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: Right and just do it. I got to tell you
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: about something that happened this week. So Gloria went to
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: get her earbuds and she had opened it and one
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: of them was missing and brand new. Well now they're
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: about a year old, but still it was it was
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: it was missing. She could find it. We looked in
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: the truck, we looked, you know, in every single room,
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: and we we could not locate where this earbud went.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: You go to the iPhone app and you could track
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: it and it says it's here, but it doesn't. We
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: couldn't hear it. You couldn't hear that. It's supposed to
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: give off an audible and it wasn't doing that. And
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: you only have so much time if the battery dies.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: Once battery's dead, it's very difficult to track completely, you know.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: But so he said, it has to be somewhere here.
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  Speaker 1: I mean to the point where I had to take
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: out the trash, you know, Monday delivery. I went through
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: the trash just in case, right, and she ended up
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: finding it. But before she did, I went online and
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: I bought this thing from company called JMDHKK. It's the
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: K nineteen plus RF detector, and I thought, well, maybe
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: this would work. No, absolutely not does not really do
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: bluetooth detection. But I did find it to be kind
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: of cool. If you were somebody that goes to an
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: Airbnb and you go or you go to a hotel
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: room or a hotel room or whatever, and you just
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: wonder is there a camera in here? You can with
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: this device sniff out a camera. It uses infrared, so
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: basically you would turn it around and you would push
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: the infrared button that is on this and it would
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: light up and then you could start looking for a camera.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: You look through a little just freaking out.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: It's freaking out your camera. You probably see it, but.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's just it turned it on. It also
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: does audible, so if you're trying to find RF and
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: you know I can, I'm moving it around and if
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: I had a magnet in here in the studio, it
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: might be able to find it. But it can do
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: and it will give you audible when you get around
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: something pretty neat sells for about eighty bucks. It comes
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: with a light wand as well, so if you want
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: to take this and you could switch it to magnetic
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: and what it will do is you could scan under
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: your car and look for a magnet that might be
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: holding on to a tracker, or if you you want to.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: My home is crazy because we've got Wi Fi everywhere,
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: so it was going nuts. But you know, for somebody
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: that goes and stays in airbnbs, this can be a
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: good thing because you look through this and it's lighting
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: it red. It will pinpoint a an IRIS for you,
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: so then you know there's a camera over here, whether
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: it be a nannycam or whatnot. And I don't know.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: It's kind of neat and powers via USBC, so thought
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: i'd share that with you. It didn't help us find
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: the air the AirPod, but either way, it was kind
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: of cool to be able to show and I showed
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: it on TV for one of the segments as well.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: But it's anti eas dropping. Has a flashlight in there
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: you could use as an emergency. But again it's from
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: JMDHKK the K nineteen plus. All Right, we're gonna take
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: a break, come back. Something leaked out from Apple. Sean
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: is going to tell you about that when we come
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: back with tech talk Radio. I'm Andy Taylor, I'm Seana Weard.
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: Send us an X at tech talk Radio when we're back.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: And now back to tech talk Radio.
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: The day before the announcements, Apple was set to release
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: some stuff on March fourth, new stuff, but the compliance
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: website the Apple's regulatory website for EU compliance purpose.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: This may have outed the MacBook neo.
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, so how this works? Apple has a product
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: or any company that comes up with a product they're
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: going to want to distribute blah blah blah. They have
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: to submit it to the EU to say this is
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: what we want to do, this is what it can do.
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: There's people will find the most creative ways to get
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: this content right. People are sleuthing all over the internet
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: trying to find these stalking the SEC website, stalking the
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: regulatory ever any inkling of a new name and the
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: lower cost MacBook is it's already been rumored that it's
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: going to be a lower cost backbook.
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: Okay, it's rumored to feature.
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: The iPhone chip, the eighteen pro or the A nineteen
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: pro rather than the M series chip, so sneaking it
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: down making it smaller. So but A thirteen it's just
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: twelve point nine display. And it's also rumored that it's
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: going to have alternate colors yellow, green, blue, and or pink.
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: MacBook Neo certainly sounds fun. Maybe getting back into some
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: of those old retro colors.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: But yeah, So there should be an event Wednesday, the fourth,
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: earlier this week, earlier this week, right as the time
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: of their recording, we didn't know yet.
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: But you know, do.
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: You think a low cost, because honestly, you know, my
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: first computer was was an Apple to E and then
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: you know, I've dabbled in Mac, but I haven't had
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: the most recent MacBook an office that I worked at.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: In my office, I had one. It was a Mac
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: computer and it was awesome. But I'm kind of wondering,
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: do you think a lower cost Mac would get people
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: who've been Windows based for years to suddenly say maybe
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: it was time to try Mac.
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: I really think with the way Windows eleven is going,
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: with all the AI this coming in and the co
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: pilot stuff and the now rumored Windows twelve stuff, with
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: the subscription based modeling, that it's gonna include AI features woof, right,
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: I think I think they're targeting a great user base
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: that maybe doesn't want to be tied to a desktop PC.
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: For one, desktop PCs and Windows pecs are going to
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: be prohibitively be more expensive because of the cost of
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: the chips and the RAM and everything. I think if
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: Apple does this one thing, it's going to sell insanely
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: well if they make this chip work, because all the
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: sides are leading to it, right they using the mobile chip, yeah,
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: making it a cellular based MacBook.
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: Ooh think about it, right, The iPad with cellular data
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: sold insanely well.
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: If you make a thirteen inch MacBook that can fit
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: literally inside somebody's purse, if you have a purse bag,
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: small bag, backpack, et cetera.
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: And you could do some light four K editing, some
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: ten ADP editing, photo editing on.
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: The fly Sydneka shop and not be on their Wi
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: Fi right and have your own cell phone connection, self
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: cellular connection.
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: I think that would be huge.
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: We'll have to talk more about it next week because
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: we're out of time, but we'll happily hopefully have all
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: the info. But price wise, they've said something.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: Five ninety nine to seven ninety nine.
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: Ooh, it's cross.
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: Our figure is pretty good, but we don't know any
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: other specs.
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: So all right, so tune in next week. We'll have
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: more info for you. Also next week AI journaling with
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: Rosebud something that may be a little different. If you
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: want a journal this could be a good thing. And
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: we'll have a guest on talk one of the co
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: founders about Rosebud about what they can do. That's next
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: week on tech Talk Radio. In the meantime, have yourselves
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: a great week. Thoughts going out to Justin. I'm Andy Taylor,
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: I'm shan to Weird.
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