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Joe Rogan Experience _2393 - Bryan Callen · truthunedited

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  Speaker 1: Podcast Check it out.
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  Speaker 2: But Joe Logan experience Strain My Day Joe.
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  Speaker 3: Rogan podcast by Night All Day. Let me say, I
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  was said that I was a Terran tactical and I
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  was shooting and I and Logan Paul was there and
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  I just met him, and uh, I hit a dove.
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  I grazed a dove somehow, right, and the dove is
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  dying around the yeah, and I so I'm Logan, and
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  I come up and I grabbed the dove and I'm
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  gonna ring its neck so it doesn't suffer. And Logan
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  Logan goes, wait, hold, let me just see it, and
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  he takes it in his hands and and and instead
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  of me wringing its neck because I don't want it
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  to suffer, I swear to God it was all you know,
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  how you're the wing is like this his his Jesus energy,
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  his his whatever his energy is. He held it in
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  both hands. I swear to God. The thing kind of
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  just went just kind of put its wing back and
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  just fucking flew out of his hands. And I was like,
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  all right, well, you were going to kill it. I
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  was going to kill it.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, all right, they are delicious.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe that's Logan's celebrity powers.
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  Speaker 2: You know that it's like the most hunted bird in
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  North America.
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  Speaker 3: Listen, pigeons delicious. I was just hunting them in London, sir,
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  on the outskirts of London.
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  Speaker 2: I just got like in the city. I don't think
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  you're allowed to do that.
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  Speaker 3: But this is why, this is why I can't do anything.
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  Speaker 2: Look at me.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know how to do this.
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  Speaker 2: Help.
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  Speaker 3: It's like a.
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  Speaker 2: Door you opened the like that. I know it's weird,
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  all right, yeah, but you know I should.
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  Speaker 3: I get pissed when I can't figure out a little
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  shit like that, like a child seat. I'm like, and
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  I'll go, look at my wife, you do it. I
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  just threw hands.
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  Speaker 2: What is about men that we don't read directions? I
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  never read direction I opened the box. I look at
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  this fucking bullshit. Put that aside. I don't need this, No,
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  I'll figure this out.
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  Speaker 3: My remember one time when my kid was really young,
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  I had to put together a child's bed and I'm like,
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  I can do it. And I go to put the
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  bed together and and well I couldn't. I couldn't because
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  there were directions. And I was like, I get this screws.
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  You know they number the screws. Yeah, I'm sitting there
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  like this and I'm making noises.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going.
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  Speaker 3: My wife is like, what's wrong with that stair of
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  the room. Apparently she gave me to the room. I
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  got this.
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  Speaker 2: You should do a hard cardio before you put together
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  and your child.
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  Speaker 3: No, this is what I did.
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  Speaker 2: Get called.
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  Speaker 3: I called my buddy and I go, I'll give you
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  three hundred dollars to come over here right now put
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  this bed together. He builds houses. He comes over, he
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  goes it's four slats in a frame. Kind of a moron. Yeah,
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  he couldn't believe it. I was like, I'm shut up.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's different though. That's the guy who's used to
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  using his hands. Yeah, not a delicate man like yourself.
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  Speaker 3: That's correct, sir. I have soft I have soft hands. I'm,
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  by the way fresh if I have some marks on
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  my face, I'm fresh fresh from the from the mat
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  of doing takedowns at fifty eight. That's a good you're right,
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  you know what, dude, My back is actually good because
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  I I've mastered the art of warming up.
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  Speaker 2: Oh that's good, that's smart.
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  Speaker 3: I'm pedantic about it. Like they make fun of me,
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  and I'm like, fuck off, Yeah you should. I do
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  my bird dogs, my fire hydrants.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Muhammad Ali used to work out for what
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  used to warm up rather for an hour before he
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  worked out.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I watched my pack. That's how you stay from
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  getting injured.
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  Speaker 2: I did this thing with Tosh Daniel, Tosh and I
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  at the Wildcard Gym where Tosh was getting punched by
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  Manny and I was like, it was like some silly
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  sketch we were doing. But Manny was there for real
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  workout day and just kindly allowed Tosh like twenty minutes
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  of his time and they did this little thing. But
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  I got to see Manny work out. It is very meticulous.
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  It's all like these he's working out with rubber bands
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  where it's like short little movements and it's all these
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  twisting and turning and he's got guys stretching him. He's like,
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  you know, he's moving around like everything's very slow, very
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  The body warmed up first his first couple of rounds
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  of even, we watched him hit the mints. His first
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  couple of rounds of even hitting the mints. It's like
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  top top tap tap to just move h just get everything,
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  get everything flowing.
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  Speaker 3: I watched Olympic ice skaters. I was I was doing
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  a gig at laugh Boston and they had some huge
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  tournament and this woman was in there. She was apparently
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  an Olympian. Watching the way she warms up, like like
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  like her ankles rubbing down all these little details. I
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  was like, that looks boring as shit.
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  Speaker 2: But it is.
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  Speaker 3: You have to do it.
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  Speaker 2: You have to otherwise you wind up all busted up
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  and broken.
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  Speaker 3: But it allows me to actually wrestle. I used to
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  be fifty eight and actually shooting single and double legs
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  against the monsters, and that's silly. And I'm with like,
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  you know, Sean Apperson or Tyson Indias, those guys at
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  archetype boxing, they're just all muscle and you're wrestling with them, yes, sir,
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  And then Tim Kennedy those guys and are getting hurt
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  and trying to get hurt. Well, well.
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  Speaker 2: What why you feel pain?
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  Speaker 3: My advantage is I I just go I make I
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  make a weird noise. I fall yeah, woman, I go
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  like this and I tap her, I fall down.
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  Speaker 2: Did you see that video I sent you of that
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  eighty year old woman who completed in iron Wan. Yes,
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  eighty years old, she completed an iron Man triathlon, which
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  is I think it's one hundred and twenty miles on
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  a bike and then it's a marathon and what is
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  how long is the swim? Did I send it to you?
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  Speaker 3: Jam? I think it's two miles? Two point six miles.
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  Speaker 2: It's crazed, so crazy, she's eighty years old.
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  Speaker 3: But I think if you keep, if you do something
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  every day like that, I actually think you can. Yes,
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  it's it's just a lot like what people never do
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  is they don't.
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  Speaker 2: Natalie, I don't know how to say your last name, Griboo, gribou.
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  Either way, Natalie, you're a monster. Amazing. Eighty years old,
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  she became the oldest woman to finish the Ironman World Championship. God,
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  that is so incredible. Swim wow, so whatever that is
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  in miles.
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  Speaker 3: That's like one hundred and killing there's miles, it's like
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  five thousand miles.
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  Speaker 2: I think what they're doing this killing me? This must
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  be a UK website it's covering this because I think
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  it's all done in miles.
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  Speaker 3: I believe I've never had an interest in endurance stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Do you I have an interest in it? But here's
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  the thing. It doesn't matter, Jamie. It's a lot. Ye. Anyway,
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  this whatever this lady did a lot. It's too incredible.
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  We don't need to break it down exactly the miles,
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  but I'm pretty sure it's like one hundred and twenty
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  mile bike ride and a full marathon, I mean at
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  eighty all in a day, and a two mile whatever
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  swim what the fuck?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Wha is a beast? Yeah, it's just Will. That's just
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  having a fucking iron will. The problem with that is
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  it will consume your life.
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  Speaker 3: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: That with that, that obsession with endurance will consume your life.
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  And you can let it do that if that's what
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  you're into. I feel like you want to find peace
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  in the punishment that you give yourself. Like David Goggins
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  does well. I talk to him. He's he's so crazy
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  because he's doing all this stuff by himself for no reason. Yeah,
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  he goes, I'm getting lessons. He's telling me he's like
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  learning things and he's not bullshitting no, like he's really
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  It's like he's like a strange type of a monk
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  that we've never had before.
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  Speaker 3: So let me ask you the question. Is is he
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  a monk, which he probably is, or is he an addict?
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  And maybe you can be both.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he could be both. I think monks are addicts too,
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  because they're addicted to being calm. They don't want any
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  women in their life. They don't want any possessions, Like dude,
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  I'm good. Yeah, I'm addicted to just be it like this.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they were doing this this neuroplasticity kind of like
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  these scans, and they found that the monks that sit
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  around and meditate on joy, you know, they like think
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  of the joys things that that part of their brain expands. Okay,
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  I mean.
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  Speaker 2: They should talk to Charlie Sheen because he was telling
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  me a story about how he got his dick suck
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  while he was smoking the crack for the very first
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  time and it was the greatest experience of his life.
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  Oh yeah, he said, to this day, nothing's top dead.
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  The greatest experience of his life was the first time
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  he smoked crack. A girl was giving him head. Yeah, well,
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  so tell that monk to go fuck himself. Did Heroin?
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  Speaker 3: He was saying. Already Lang already said he said it
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  on the podcast. He said he did heroin the first
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  time and as his head hit the pillow, he went,
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  I'm in trouble. Oh yeah, this is just I'm gonna
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  chase this track.
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  Speaker 2: Dave Landel said a very similar thing. He did it once.
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  I think it was Dave right. It was right.
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  Speaker 3: That shitt for some people that should will grab you.
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  Speaker 2: I think for most people that should grabs you. Yeah.
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  I think you have to be like averse to doing
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  things that will fuck your life up, Like you have
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  to have like an automatic like maybe you grew up
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  around alcoholics or something like that, or you saw I
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  didn't none of my Like I didn't have like anyone
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  in my family that ruined their life with alcohol. But
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  I did have friends that had close relatives that I
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  saw become addicted to cocaine. And I saw this when
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  I was in high school, so I got like really
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  scared of addiction. And I also when I was working construction,
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  there was this fucking dude that I was friends with
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  who was really cool. He was an older guy, I
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  mean older than me. You know, I was like sixteen
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  at the time, seventeen, and he was probably in his
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  early thirties. But he couldn't keep his shit together. He
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  just couldn't stop drinking and he would he would be
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  good for a while and then he would start drinking again.
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  And man, he was so funny. He was so fun
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  He was like such a cool guy. And he was
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  a drummer in a band, and the band just you know,
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  never kind of his name is Robbie, and the band
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  never kind of fucking got it together. But he was
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  like he could have been my best friend if like
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  we were the same age and we were hanging out together.
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  Speaker 3: It's just not sustainable.
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  Speaker 2: But I was watching a man who was a carpenter.
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  He was a finished carpenter, and you know, very talented carpenter.
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  But he would just ruin his life with you cocker,
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  with both both booze and coke. But booze would start
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  it off. It would be, you know, he'd all of
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  a sudden be drinking a Budweiser and then it was
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  off to the races.
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  Speaker 3: I don't that's the thing about addiction, you know, I
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  or just anything in life. If you want to be
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  good at something, I actually don't think you can do
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  it necessarily. I mean some people can maybe, but I
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  don't know how long. When you say when you talk
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  about discipline, when you say I'm just not going to
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  do it. You That worked for some people, but I
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  don't think it works for people like that. I think
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  what they have to do, Yeah, they have to figure
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  out a way to make sobriety more pleasurable then the
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  other thing, and that's fucking hard.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Jimmy Norton, you know, his mom famously said when
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  he was like cooked on hookers, She's like, Jimmy, you
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  gotta take your addictions and channel it into something positive.
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  Like it was really funny he'd talk about like how
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  fucking off the rails he was, but how his mom
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  would help him, you know, like with that piece of advice.
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  But that is true. Like so if you can all
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  of a sudden become a marathon runner when before you
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  were just looking to score math every day, yeah yeah, yeah,
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  you definitely that's a better thing to be addicted to
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  because it's not going to ruin your life. It might
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  ruin your ankles and your knees and shit, but it's
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  not going to ruin your life where it like takes
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  away all your money and you wind up sucking dick
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  for rocks. You know, like, because people do stuff they do.
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  Speaker 3: Remember I said to you, I remember we were talking
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  and I said, I think you had gotten some you know,
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  it was in the press you made sign some deal
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  or something. And I said, you know, I've known you
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  thirty years and the one thing, the only thing that's
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  changed about you is you got more peace of mind.
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  Like you just haven't changed, really like you just not
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  you haven't changed. And I said, what do you think
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  it is? Which I'm always careful about talking about because
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  I don't want anybody, any of my friends to get
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  into their head about it, right, just like shove it,
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  you know what I mean, Like, don't start asking too
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  many questions. But I was like gently kind of going,
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  I wonder we were kind of exploring what it is
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  that keeps you grounded, and you said to me, I
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  like to do something really hard every day, so it
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  reminds me of what a bitch I am. And that's
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  the same thing I feel about that I wrestle almost
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  four days a week now, which is ridiculous, it's actually embarrassing, right,
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  But I do it because it it's hard and I
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  don't want to and I have to warm my frame
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  up and then I have to go wrestle around with
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  these fucking monsters. But there's something about it getting better
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  at it, kind of slowly, the incremental incremental, getting better
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  at something, and I do it because it's hard. That
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  grounds me no matter what I know. I did that today,
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  and that's a really good starting point.
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  Speaker 2: It's something, there's something that you know, and if someone's
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  listening and they're not into that, you don't definitely don't
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  have to do that. Just try to do yoga every day.
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  Try to go to one of those Beakram ninety minute
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  hot yoga classes. Some of the hardest shit I've ever
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  done physically in my life. Shit. So you don't have
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  to like go wrestle. You could do something that moral
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  aligns with your political ideology.
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  Speaker 3: I always say that if you're especially I can't speak
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  to women, if you're a young man, you want to
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  find yourself, just get really good at something like just
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  get good at fucking the piano. I don't care what
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  it is. I always use jiu jitsu or something like
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  that just because it's hard, but it's a placeholder for
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  a lot of other things.
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  Speaker 2: Well. It also lets you know that there's a process
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  in life that you can apply like universally, and that
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  is like focus and attention and you know, and this
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  objective goal of getting better and then you see progress
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  and then you realize like, oh, this is kind of
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  applicable to just being human being. Like you can get
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  better at being a human being by thinking about, Okay,
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  I fuck that up, I fuck this up, but I
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  did that good. Oh what did I do differently? Oh, okay,
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  let's do more of that, and then yeah, over time,
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  you get better at being a human being. Yes, right,
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  But if you don't ever try to get good at anything,
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  you're the same douchebag you were when you were in
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  high school. But now you're forty eight instead of sixteen. Yeah,
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  and you're you have the emotional maturity of a child. Yeah.
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  There's a lot of people out there running around like
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  that that are just grown up babies. And they mask
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  it with they'll mask it with a good vocabulary.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, or they'll mask it with like you know, part
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  of like everybody wants to be an individual, right, You
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  want to be a little mysterious. You want to have
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  a little like a skill set. And one of the
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  great things about stand up is you know, no matter
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  where I am, I know I got that. Like, I'll
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  put me in front of a group a crowd of
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  one two hundred three hundred people doesn't matter. I don't
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  care who they are. I'm gonna make them laugh. I
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  know how to navigate that space for an hour. That's
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  a nice thing to know. But if you don't have that,
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  you don't have a skill set, if you don't have anything.
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  What happens is you then negotiate individuality with atrement, as
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  they say, which means, of course, and get all kinds
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  of tattoos and then and then do some crazy ship
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  Yeah yeah, but you have no face tattoos, but you're
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  gonna do You're gonna do a lot of ship heart yes, yes, yes,
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  get your nipples, get two hearts on your nipples.
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  Speaker 2: Or get them pierced. That's the best.
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  Speaker 3: That's hot.
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  Speaker 2: You're definitely making good decisions. Rods through your nipples and
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  your man.
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  Speaker 3: It's a new look. I'm trying something else, l O L.
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  But you know what I mean. You'll do that, and
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  then you'll attach yourself to some political cause.
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  Speaker 2: All those people that are protesting on the streets, ninety
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  nine percent of them are losers. The other ones work
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  for the FED.
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  Speaker 3: I have a whole joke about that. It's like fucking you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, FBI agents and losers. All it is. The whole
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  fucking every protest dude is FBI agents and loser.
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  Speaker 3: I talk about this all the time. I'm like, for me,
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  you want me to join a protest, you want me
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  to get it on the street first of all, to
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  make a sign the fuck out here, and then I
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  don't have.
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  Speaker 2: To make the sign. There's a guy with a van
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  who's paid by George Soros and he's got stashing signs
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  that were made at Kinko's. Okay, they're not homemade at all,
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  and you just fucking just pass those bad boys out.
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  Speaker 3: I'm never leading your revolution. My problem is my sign
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  would say uugh, or it's complicated.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, if you're really trying to get your life together.
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  But there's some things, you know that people feel need
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  to be protested, Like people in the UK like they're
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  a polite group. This is a polite society England for
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  the most part, you know, and they've gotten to the
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  point where they're like, Okay, this is kind of nuts,
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  Like what are you guys doing. They've arrested twelve thousand
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  people this year for social media posts.
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  Speaker 3: Is that insane?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? And counting Yeah, and they're arresting people for just
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  saying things in public, like I like bacon around uh Muslims.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, just true, because you're in you're you're being annoying.
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  I looked up that that. Uh, it's some kind of
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  an information act that and if you one of the
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  things is if you're if you post annoying annoying, like.
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  Speaker 2: What's everything eget I'm annoying?
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  Speaker 3: And the prints are The Brits are famously sarcastic.
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  Speaker 2: Right, And also it depends entirely on who you are,
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  because like, what's annoying to me might not be remotely
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  annoying to other people. So I get to decide whether
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  or not you've committed a crime.
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  Speaker 3: They would have they would have arrested Trump fifty thousand times,
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  you know, at least. But uh, that's that's a I
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  always say that the Brits, they the Brits. I don't
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  wake them up because they come alive. That's small island
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  of pale people conquered the fucking world. Don't don't be
• 17:51
  like because I think that there's the Irish too, Like
• 17:54
  you can be careful, now, be careful because they're very
• 17:56
  comfortable in a couple of situations they come alive and
• 17:59
  when it when it comes to soccer, i e. Football
• 18:02
  and fights and fucking war yeah yeah.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: Fist fights correct, just long history of warriors Ireland and
• 18:10
  the UK. Yes, yeah, and great. They make great mob movies. Boy, guy,
• 18:13
  Ritchie's fucking show Mobland. Have you watched that show on Netflix?
• 18:18
  Oh my god, it's good. It's so is Mom on Netflix. No,
• 18:21
  it's Paramount plus, that's all the same. One of them
• 18:24
  is streaming service. It's not all the same. I'm sorry.
• 18:27
  One of those streaming services has it. But it's fucking great. Yeah,
• 18:31
  it's fucking great, and it just shows you, like how
• 18:35
  crazy like the UK mob scene is. It's like, it's
• 18:39
  probably pretty accurate.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's uh. They always say the sat Paramount Paramount.
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  Speaker 3: Dude, they're so sarcastic. I'm sitting there with my friend.
• 19:52
  We're in a shoot. We're doing a shoot, which would
• 19:54
  mean you wear a collar and tie, sir, with those nickers.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: Those are you talking about? Like a shoot?
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: With it? I did a pheasant shoot.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: Oh you went hunting?
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: Sure, yes, And now at night we shot deer. But
• 20:08
  in there in the morningtime you have they do drives
• 20:11
  and please follow along. We we we wake up, we
• 20:14
  have a wonderful breakfast at the estate and I'm paying
• 20:17
  for none of this. And then we we go out
• 20:19
  and we have a loader. I had a loader because
• 20:22
  I can't load my own shells. I had a loader.
• 20:24
  Who is a British guy. That's what they do. And
• 20:26
  then the villagers beat the bush to get the partridges
• 20:29
  that have been stocked. Sorry both. Now, it's a huge business.
• 20:35
  It supports entire community. So these shoots are you know,
• 20:38
  they're very expensive, so the person sponsoring it pays essentially
• 20:41
  all these everybody's making money. It's a rich people recreation.
• 20:45
  And but there's something, there's something. I don't know what
• 20:50
  else what we're talking about. I lost my train of thought.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: You're talking about English people.
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, they're so sarcastic. So I've got this
• 20:58
  loader whose next to me, and I'm missing the birds.
• 21:02
  I'm not good with a shotgun, and I just they're
• 21:04
  coming right at us and I'm fucking literally just missing
• 21:07
  all of them. And at one point he looks at me,
• 21:09
  he goes, are you a vegan? Fuck you dude?
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: Hilarious.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: He does swing your barrels, But do you.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Have to learn how to do that? I am actually
• 21:24
  in the UK learned how to do it. You learned
• 21:25
  how to do it in Scotland.
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: Oh you did that?
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: No? I did clay pigeons you know those are really
• 21:31
  fun and uh, you learn how you have to lead
• 21:35
  them and you learn like how to shoot with a
• 21:38
  shotgun where you're you're kind of like you kind of
• 21:43
  it's almost like feel like you feel where the pellets
• 21:46
  are going to go, and you want the disc.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: You've got to swing your barrel right. So so when
• 21:51
  the birds coming you, you you go belly your tail, belly, beak,
• 21:57
  and you keep you pull the trigger as you get
• 22:00
  the bird. So it's like throwing a football, right, and
• 22:03
  then they run into the pellets and they perish.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: So different than any other shooting that I've ever done,
• 22:08
  because all the shooting that I've ever done, you have
• 22:09
  to be dead still, like everything I've shot with a rifle.
• 22:13
  Rather so rifle shooting, you you don't move at all,
• 22:17
  and it's just about control and controlling yourself and staying
• 22:21
  calm and not flinching when you pull the trigger. But
• 22:24
  this is so different. It's like you know, they used
• 22:26
  to say that like the comanche. One of the things
• 22:29
  that was crazy was the some of them weren't even
• 22:31
  really accurate with a bow. If you just gave him
• 22:34
  a bow and told them to shoot at it like
• 22:36
  a target, right, they weren't accurate really, But on a horse,
• 22:40
  So on the horse, the gallop and they had this
• 22:42
  fuck is Zach they knew where that arrow was going,
• 22:45
  so that they're using the chaos, so what the movement
• 22:50
  and all the like they're darting around like they just
• 22:53
  guide the arrow like in the middle of chaos and war.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: So you love ar trades.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: Do you know what?
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: What was a game changer with art with with shooting
• 23:03
  shooting a bow from a horse? You know, you know
• 23:06
  what invention changed everything? Probably sterrups, thank you. Yeah, because
• 23:09
  they can hang over the side, that's right. Well, you
• 23:11
  can also stand up and you know, so it's like
• 23:14
  you can stay steady and then shoot.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: The comanche used to run like very similarly, Like that guy.
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: Is a fucking bad that's a mongol.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: But that guy is so bad ass.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: That's where that guy shot cut comes from. I think.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But the kind of core strength you have to
• 23:29
  have to do what that guy was just doing. Go
• 23:31
  back to that.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: First one on horses YouTube or something. You know, who
• 23:35
  can ride horses like that? Who's that? Who's that good
• 23:37
  at horses? Sylvester Stallone?
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: Look at this?
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, bro.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: That kind of strength to be able to hang completely
• 23:44
  sideways like when it starts in the beginning. That's not
• 23:46
  as impressive as the very first frame. Go to the
• 23:49
  very first frame. What look at he look at his
• 23:51
  positioning that that is bananas. That's bananas. Like his spine
• 23:57
  and his core are so it must be so oh
• 24:00
  fucking strong.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: Think about fighting him if you've got a sword and
• 24:03
  you have to deal with a group of those dudes.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: And there's a lot of bad motherfuckers from that part
• 24:08
  of the world, bro, a lot of bad motherfuckerst is
• 24:12
  actually from the place that Borot used to always make
• 24:15
  fun of beause Pakistan Kazaksktan Kazakhstan, like and they hate him.
• 24:19
  They're like, if he comes there, they're gonna kill him. Yeah,
• 24:22
  like they because they made everybody look like a goat
• 24:25
  fucker and a retard. And meanwhile they're like some of
• 24:28
  the fiercest fucking human beings on earth. Yeah, you know,
• 24:31
  like Shapcott unfortunately just injured his knee again.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: He did.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man, he had surgery in his knee, was rehabbing
• 24:39
  his knee and blew it out again and now have
• 24:43
  another surgery and now it's ten months. There's a few
• 24:46
  guys that I'd known who have done that where they
• 24:48
  got a CL reconstruction. I don't know if Shapcott had
• 24:51
  a c L, but any kind of reconstruction of the
• 24:54
  ligaments you you feel better before you're better, might be
• 25:00
  real careful because what happens is when you get a
• 25:04
  reconstruction of your knee, it's like say, if they use
• 25:06
  a cadaver, that does not become your new tendon. What
• 25:11
  that does is becomes a scaffolding for your new tendon,
• 25:14
  and so your body has to proliferate that scaffolding of
• 25:18
  the dead guy's tendon with fresh tendon meat. Really and
• 25:22
  eventually it becomes your wait to wait, But it feels
• 25:26
  good right away, but you've got a rotten, old piece
• 25:29
  of meat in there that your body is taking over
• 25:32
  with its own tissue.
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: Wow, didn't you have that done?
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: I had that done yet?
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: And how long to take you?
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: Six months? Really? Yeah? Six months? I was doing jiu jitsu.
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: Again, but you couldn't do anything until then.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: No, I was really smart. I was really smart about
• 25:45
  it because that is my second knee reconstruction. I had
• 25:47
  my left knee reconstructed too. That was a patella tendon graft,
• 25:51
  and that one took a lot longer to heal because
• 25:54
  you're taking a chip out of your bone, a chip
• 25:57
  out of your shin, and a slice of your patella tendon,
• 26:00
  which is a very thick, large tendon, and then they
• 26:02
  open you up like a fish and screw both of them,
• 26:05
  and it's very invasive. Whereas the one on the right knee,
• 26:09
  the ACL reconstruction with a canaver was a really easy recovery.
• 26:13
  Like I was. I went to a party like six
• 26:16
  days later with just a brace on, just walking around. Damn. Yeah,
• 26:19
  I was not bad at all. I mean I was
• 26:21
  careful with it, you know, but I was very diligent
• 26:24
  with the rehab. Like every day. I was doing rehab
• 26:27
  every day and like really doing it, like not bullshitting around.
• 26:32
  I was doing like I would go in the steam
• 26:34
  shower and do deep squats and me re rebuilt all
• 26:40
  the tissue before I ever even thought about doing jiu
• 26:43
  jitsu again. But jiu jitsu six months later, no problem
• 26:46
  at all.
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: Wow. What protects me is my moderate temperament. I'm good
• 26:51
  at like you being like I can feel a little something,
• 26:53
  I'll be stopping though. You know you probably don't have
• 26:56
  that gene. You just keep I'm terrible at that.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: That's why I get hurt sometimes because I meet head
• 27:01
  my way through things and just decided to push through
• 27:04
  the pain, and next thing you know, you get something
• 27:06
  legitimately wrong.
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: Well that's it. Like I was doing toes to bar
• 27:10
  were you and hanging and I my wrist has never
• 27:13
  been the same, Like you hurt your wrist. Yeah, I pulled,
• 27:16
  I broke something or did something where I it's you knows,
• 27:19
  I know. But the problem is you're way more fragile
• 27:22
  than you realize.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: That you are.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well I am, unfortunately unfortunately.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: You know what I've been doing. It's tougher every day.
• 27:30
  I hang for two minutes every day every day, and
• 27:34
  it's new. It's I've only been doing it like the
• 27:37
  last What do you get out of it? I think
• 27:39
  I feel better, Like my spine feels better. I've been
• 27:43
  doing a bunch of things at the same time, so
• 27:45
  it's hard to tell what has the most impact. I
• 27:47
  think they all have a lot of impact. But one
• 27:49
  of the things I've been doing is like I go
• 27:51
  to this guy and get trigger point work, trigger point massage.
• 27:54
  It's it's so painful. It's some of the most fucking
• 27:57
  It's not massage. You can call it massage. It's just
• 28:00
  diging elbows and knuckles into like your IT band, and yeah,
• 28:05
  different parts cry different parts of your spine, different parts
• 28:10
  of your calves, your your legs, your your lower back,
• 28:14
  all that stuff. But also hanging every day. And the
• 28:18
  more I hang. In the beginning, I was like, I
• 28:20
  wonder if this is going to really help anything, or
• 28:22
  if it's just me trying to see how long it
• 28:24
  can hang. Yeah, and so now I do two minutes.
• 28:28
  I just hang there for all times. By the way, Yeah,
• 28:32
  I can go to thirty seven. That's the longest I've gone.
• 28:36
  Right now, I'm like two o two.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: But I wonder probably first of all, it makes your
• 28:39
  hands really strong.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: It makes my hands real strong. They're very callous now,
• 28:43
  like maybe more callous than they've ever been. There've always
• 28:45
  been kind of callous from kettlebells, but now I'm getting
• 28:48
  different ones. Like on the front fingers, the pointer fingers
• 28:53
  I always get my cows is on the right where
• 28:55
  the ring finger is. For some reason, I'm both hands.
• 28:57
  That's the biggest cow, so I guess that's where I
• 28:59
  grip the hardest, where it grinds around the most. But
• 29:02
  my back feels better. It just feels like looser, like
• 29:06
  it's got it's like it's and I'm like, okay, well
• 29:08
  I've only done this for a few weeks every day,
• 29:10
  Like what if I do this every day for a year,
• 29:12
  Like what happens? Does it? Can you actually decompress your spine? Well?
• 29:15
  Turns out you can't. Can. So I started going on
• 29:18
  YouTube and following people's hanging journeys. Yeah, this is one
• 29:23
  lady she I guess she broke the world record. She
• 29:26
  hung for twenty three minutes.
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: What what isn't it funny? What a human body? If
• 29:32
  you can you can train yourself to do almost how
• 29:34
  you can adapt. But that's not There's people out there
• 29:36
  that are just different than you. People know that they
• 29:40
  have not just you, like everybody listen, They have a
• 29:42
  different will. Their will is different. The kind of will
• 29:46
  that you have to have to hang from a bar
• 29:48
  for twenty three fucking minutes is so crazy.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: This guy does it for two hours and twenty two minutes.
• 29:54
  What switching arms obviously, but yeah, you know what, Like
• 29:58
  I think that lady has the ladies record.
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: Life is too short to hang from a bar that long.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: Two hours and twenty two minutes. That's pretty crazy.
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: It's crazy.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: That guy must be a fucking some kind of crazy
• 30:09
  rock climber, right.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: His body, and his body looks pretty pretty normal.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: Well, it's all really about your hands and your grip
• 30:16
  if you are a rock climber. I mean, you have
• 30:19
  to have leg strength and flexibility and a bunch of
• 30:21
  other things as well, for sure, but god, your grip
• 30:23
  is what keeps you alive. Without your grip, you don't
• 30:26
  have jack shit. Right, But this lady that was doing it,
• 30:30
  I was just watching her doing She was doing the
• 30:32
  same thing. She was like switching hands and shit. So
• 30:34
  you give your left hand a break and then you
• 30:35
  hold on with your right hand, your right hand bank
• 30:37
  along live.
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: I think your body, I do it. I find that
• 30:42
  the game changing for me was when I stopped stretching
• 30:44
  and started strengthening. Right, So you can stretch. You should
• 30:48
  do some stretching. But my routine before I wrestle something
• 30:51
  is just strengthen so I'll warm it up.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: So I do.
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: I do strengthening exercises for my lower back. All kind
• 30:57
  of stuff right, like planks, yeah, or just no bird
• 31:00
  dogs and fire hydrants and you know all that shit
• 31:03
  and that stuff is that that's been the game changer.
• 31:06
  Like with my shoulders, I was getting ten nightis right,
• 31:09
  and then I just started doing all these different shoulder
• 31:11
  things with bands right before I do it, and sure
• 31:14
  enough you get stronger my neck. Same thing. My people
• 31:17
  don't work their neck like as they get older at all.
• 31:20
  I think your neck is really important.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: Oh for sure, what do you do?
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: I do that iron you know, and then I get
• 31:27
  bands sometimes and I'll just turn like that, like I'll be.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: On my The best thing about the iron neck, in
• 31:32
  my opinion, is there's other stuff that you could do,
• 31:34
  like harnesses where you do like chin ups with your
• 31:36
  neck or like not chin ups, like like you think
• 31:39
  of like you have this harness around your head and
• 31:41
  then there's a chain. At the end of the chain
• 31:43
  is a dumbbell, and then what you're doing is just
• 31:45
  using your neck to lift the weights. The guy from
• 31:48
  Iron Neck had a real good point. He's like, that
• 31:50
  puts like weird stress on your all those different discs
• 31:56
  it does when you're yeah, and he's like, you can
• 32:01
  really get hurt, Whereas what you want to do is
• 32:03
  strengthen your neck so that it doesn't do that right
• 32:07
  in all sports. In sports, it's very rare that you
• 32:10
  use your neck like that. Yes, I used to use
• 32:13
  my neck in jiu jitsu, and I actually started developing
• 32:16
  a problem. I had a bulging disc for a while,
• 32:18
  and that it was one, it was also definitely getting
• 32:21
  caught and not tapping like a dumb ass. But two,
• 32:25
  it was arm triangles. I had a really good arm triangle,
• 32:28
  head and arm choke. So if I got mount on
• 32:31
  someone and I was able to isolate that arm that
• 32:33
  I have a really good head and arm choke. But
• 32:37
  in that head and arm choke, I'm using my neck.
• 32:40
  That's part of the reason why it's good, because I
• 32:41
  have a thick neck. So because if I can get
• 32:44
  your arm right here, I got another weapon. Like you're
• 32:47
  thinking about my arms holding onto you, but I'm holding
• 32:50
  onto you with this and this is strong as fuck
• 32:53
  if I get you in this position and I'm holding
• 32:55
  that arm there. But the problem was I was developing
• 32:58
  like a real pinch nerve and then it wound up
• 33:00
  making my fingertips numb. And then that's when I found
• 33:03
  out the chiropractors or quacks. I went to a chiropractice
• 33:07
  for like a year and just gave his guy money
• 33:09
  to bullshit me. It's like, damn, it made me feel
• 33:13
  pressed on the top of my head to see if
• 33:14
  I had a bulging disc. I'm not kidding. I go,
• 33:18
  maybe I have a bulging disc. And like, I just
• 33:19
  thought this guy was cool because I thought he was
• 33:21
  a doctor as well. I did know that chiropractors go
• 33:24
  to zero days of medical school and they get to
• 33:26
  call themselves a doctor. I also didn't know that chiropractic,
• 33:30
  the whole idea of it, was founded by a magnetic
• 33:33
  healer who uh like it came to him like a
• 33:36
  seance or some shit. He was a complete fraud and
• 33:39
  his son, who was a con artist, took over the business.
• 33:42
  Son ran over him with a car. By the way,
• 33:44
  killed that guy, Yeah, son killed the dad ran over
• 33:47
  him with the car and then took over his business
• 33:49
  and then started saying that, you know, the cracking people's
• 33:52
  backs can fix leukemia and all kinds of share.
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: You have to you have to align your meridian points.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, horsees shit, it's all made up stuff. But
• 34:00
  there is something beneficial about manipulating your spine though. This
• 34:04
  is what's interesting, right, There's something beneficial about massage and
• 34:09
  a lot of the other things that are doing there.
• 34:10
  They're essentially loosening up like this trigger point shit that
• 34:14
  I told you I've been doing. That's the extreme version
• 34:16
  of it, which I think is way more effective. But
• 34:18
  there's something to the manipulation well, but there's also a
• 34:22
  lot of people that have had fucking serious consequences of
• 34:26
  getting their neck cracked where they have strokes and like
• 34:29
  things fuck. Like there's a guy I just saw on
• 34:33
  the news the other day that had compartment syndrome where
• 34:36
  he's like he can't move his body anymore because he
• 34:39
  went to a chiropractor and before he's like this like smiley,
• 34:42
  happy guy. Like and again, this is not all chiropractice.
• 34:46
  A lot of chiropractice, I'm sure give you benefit because
• 34:49
  I think there's something too like loosening you up. Well,
• 34:52
  it's pushing on you, and there's a physical therapy aspect.
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  Speaker 3: Some the chiropractors know what you're talking about, so when
• 36:06
  they go into it, they study physical therapy. So, yeah,
• 36:09
  I had a chiropractor say to me, your hips are
• 36:12
  your your Atrophinger asked his atrophee on the bottom, So
• 36:17
  you have to strengthen that part because it'll bring your
• 36:18
  hips into alignment. He was dead. He was right on YEA.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: So those guys study. Yeah, but that's what he really is.
• 36:24
  He shouldn't be saying he's a doctor.
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: Correct.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: That's what's crazy. It's not that there's no benefit to it.
• 36:29
  It's like they all want to call themselves doctor too.
• 36:32
  You know, I'm doctor Rogan. Like, come on, you know
• 36:35
  the you know Squat University. You ever follow that that account?
• 36:40
  Oh dude, that guy. Everybody I know who he trains
• 36:44
  Olympic weightlifters and real olympians, and.
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: He'll show you what he's He knows the body so well.
• 36:50
  And this is the greatest I dm him because people
• 36:52
  I respect were talking about how they follow him like
• 36:55
  a lot. I know a lot of trainers who follow
• 36:56
  him and stuff. And if you if you go to
• 36:58
  his thing, you'll see he'd demonstrates how somebody will have
• 37:01
  an impingement, this is an Olympic weightlifter or something pain
• 37:05
  for two years, and then he'll give them an exercise
• 37:08
  literally an exercise, and it will actually change them almost
• 37:12
  instantaneously or within a couple of days. Right, And because
• 37:16
  he really understands the body. So I had heel pain,
• 37:19
  really bad heel pain. I would wake up and I
• 37:21
  couldn't walk. So it's like he's a plant of fascii itis.
• 37:23
  What's going on? Yeah?
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: And so I go to a couple of pediatrists and
• 37:29
  they make me the implants. It's like, you just need
• 37:33
  art support and all that. I d M him. I
• 37:35
  can't remember his name, and he he said, you know,
• 37:39
  I'm going to send you a video on a guy.
• 37:41
  Your shoes may be too narrow and what's going on? Sorry,
• 37:49
  I got my but I did. I would wear those
• 37:52
  kind of you know, you want to be cool, And
• 37:54
  what was happening is my big toes being every time
• 37:57
  I would wear a bup lazer. Every time. I would
• 38:00
  sometimes be like, I'm gonna wear a blazer and collar
• 38:02
  shirt and I'd walk in and you'd go, hey, you're
• 38:04
  teaching substitute school. You substitute teacher. Again. I'd be like, fuck,
• 38:07
  this man, take it off so much for that.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: Anytime I wear a collar shirt, you're wearing slippery shoes.
• 38:14
  You're wearing those weird dress shoes that are slipping.
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: Try. I try to, I try to change it up.
• 38:18
  I'm like, I'm gonna dress like an adult. I want
• 38:19
  to be like Jordan Peterson.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: But it never lasts.
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: Can't do it.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to give up on that.
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: But he told me he goes. He said, I think
• 38:26
  what's happening is your your big toes being pushed in
• 38:30
  and sometimes that cuts blood off to your heel. So
• 38:34
  your heel is actually is actually getting the cross, it's
• 38:38
  actually dying. You're not getting blood.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: Blood has to go through the heel to get to
• 38:44
  the big Does it go that way? There's an article
• 38:48
  when you push here, which is the end of the line,
• 38:50
  which is your toes.
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: As a doctor, I can tell you as you push.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: Here and it turns around and goes through the heel.
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: Whatever this When this happens, it blocks blood float, it
• 38:58
  blocks the artery of this. I wore wide toe shoes
• 39:02
  like that. Within five days all my paint was gone.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: That's crazy. Yeah, that makes sense though.
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: And no podiatrist knew that. He did because he studies
• 39:09
  the body, because he works with the top athletes, and
• 39:12
  if he doesn't get results, he doesn't get paid. That's
• 39:14
  that's also.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: Do pediatrists ever tell you you should do foot exercises? Well,
• 39:19
  do you go to a pediatrist and they say what
• 39:20
  you really need to do is wear barefoot shoes and
• 39:24
  pull a sled? You know, like you want I do
• 39:28
  foot exercises. Do you use some of those like bear
• 39:31
  like Vivo barefoot shoes and pull a sled? Yeah, you'll
• 39:35
  get strong. You'll feel every little part of your foot
• 39:39
  like pushing, and that's how they're supposed to engage. You know.
• 39:43
  Traditional shoes are essentially like a cast. There's this hard
• 39:48
  thing that that separates you from the ground, so your
• 39:51
  toes don't articulate and push and everything is just like
• 39:54
  from the leg into this cast and that pushes down
• 39:58
  because it's like this big spongey hard surface that you
• 40:02
  put your fucking foot into.
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: How much do you do? How often? Like how many
• 40:05
  are you would work out? Like how long a day?
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: Every day? At least an hour?
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: It's a lot.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: I like to do a couple hours though, because I
• 40:14
  like to have, like especially strength training, I like to
• 40:17
  have long weights in between exercises. It allows you to
• 40:22
  fully recover before you do it again.
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: How heavy do you go?
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: That's it's all based on Pavol Tatsulin. His it's all
• 40:30
  from the Russians, like how they would train kettlebells, and
• 40:33
  his philosophy is that strength is a skill and you
• 40:36
  should never do a skill when you're tired. So if
• 40:40
  you're if you're doing like power cleans, like if I'm
• 40:43
  doing a cleans and presses, I'm waiting five minutes in
• 40:47
  between each set. I'm waiting a long really at least
• 40:50
  sometimes so you're doing Olympics Olympic no, no kettlebell stuff.
• 40:55
  So I'm cleaning and pressing like you know. The heaviest
• 40:59
  I usually use is like seventy pounds. Every now and
• 41:01
  then I'll fuck around. I have a big foot one
• 41:04
  it's like ninety two. I'll bust out some reps with
• 41:07
  the big foot, but most of the time I'm doing
• 41:09
  seventy pounds. That's my heavy.
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: What is that for you?
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: Like? So I do sets three sets of ten cleans and.
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: Presses, and by the tenth, well tired? Are you not
• 41:19
  tired at all? That's the whole thing.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: The whole thing is you get all the reps that
• 41:22
  you would get if you smashed them all together, if
• 41:24
  you only took a minute off in between each set
• 41:26
  and went through it. So you get all the strength.
• 41:30
  But what you're not doing is you're not operating under fatigue.
• 41:34
  So it's not you're not pushing on a mir no
• 41:36
  and it's not a muscular endurance. No, you're not pushing
• 41:39
  failure at all, which is also I thought was crazy.
• 41:41
  The philosophy is, it's not the failure that gets you strong,
• 41:46
  it's the amount of repetitions. The whole thing is the
• 41:48
  amount of repetitions. Now, if you do three sets of
• 41:52
  ten and you do them back to back, boy, you
• 41:55
  get to that third set, you might barely be able
• 41:58
  to get up that tenth rep, right because you're exhausted,
• 42:01
  because you've done cleans and presses. You gave yourself like
• 42:04
  a minute rest in between sets, and then you went
• 42:07
  and did it again, and a minute rest in between
• 42:09
  the third set, and then what you're fucking tired as shit.
• 42:13
  But if you're waiting ten minutes in between each each set,
• 42:17
  you're doing the same amount of work but easily, so
• 42:21
  you have a less of a chance of getting hurt.
• 42:24
  And your goal is not muscular endurance. Your goal when
• 42:27
  you're doing strength training is just strength. That's what you're
• 42:31
  trying to do. So the whole way to get strong
• 42:33
  is not going to failure. This is their philosophy. You
• 42:36
  can argue it if you want, and especially bodybuilder I'm
• 42:38
  sure would argue with it because it's a different thing.
• 42:39
  We're just trying to get massive. But his thought is,
• 42:44
  if you can do, say, twenty reps to failure, don't
• 42:48
  do that, do ten and then wait a long time
• 42:52
  and then do another ten, and it's just as good
• 42:54
  as doing twenty sets to failing. Yeah. The whole thing
• 42:57
  that gets you strong is just work. It's just the numbers,
• 43:02
  and it allows your body to fully recover so that
• 43:06
  you can you when you lift it up, like if
• 43:08
  you go to clean the second set, you're fully engaged.
• 43:12
  You feel good, you feel rested, you feel strong, and
• 43:16
  then you bust out those sets and then you wait again.
• 43:20
  I wait, fucking maybe ten minutes. I'm just sitting around
• 43:23
  a ten minutes. Yeah, I watch a YouTube video, maybe
• 43:26
  I stretch, and then I get out and I do
• 43:28
  it again. So that those are the long day So
• 43:31
  when I have a lot of time, that's how I
• 43:33
  like to work out. I like to work out on
• 43:34
  these long two hour chunks.
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: I got small kids, bro, It's never happening.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but if you get up in the morning, you
• 43:39
  can do it. If you get up before everybody else,
• 43:41
  or if you do it and everybody's asleep, you could
• 43:43
  do it. But the point is if you want to
• 43:47
  like that, that's a way to get strong that I
• 43:50
  think you lessen your chances of injury. You've always got
• 43:53
  a chance of injury. You're lifting heavy things, but I
• 43:56
  don't lift things that are that heavy. And the heaviest
• 43:59
  thing I lift really my body. I do a lot
• 44:01
  of body weight squads, a lot of bodyweight stuff, pull ups, dips,
• 44:04
  chin ups, yeah, I do a lot of stuff. El's
• 44:07
  l chin ups. You know when your feet are extended
• 44:09
  and you're doing chin ups, like I do a lot
• 44:11
  of those, and I do those toe to bars. I
• 44:15
  do those like you're talking about those, huck but they're
• 44:17
  really good for your abs. I do a lot of
• 44:19
  abs stuff. I have like a heavy core ab routine,
• 44:24
  but I've always kind of done that. It's like really
• 44:26
  important for kicking. Like kicking, you know, people think it's
• 44:30
  in the legs, and it certainly is, but a lot
• 44:33
  of it is you're in the torque that you generate
• 44:35
  with your core. That's really where the power comes from.
• 44:38
  It comes from here. A real powerful kick is all
• 44:42
  for it's all and the leg kind of follows through
• 44:46
  with it. But when you dig into it, if you
• 44:49
  have a weak core, there's no way you're going to
• 44:51
  generate enough forced even get that leg moving correctly.
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: I love that we're fifty eight and talking about the
• 44:57
  importance of kicking and torque.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: I could think that way. I could think, do I think?
• 45:03
  I just think what I like?
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: I was just working on my double leg. What are
• 45:05
  you talking about? Who are you talking about?
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: But also more importantly, I do the work to make
• 45:09
  sure that my body can still do this at fifty eight.
• 45:11
  If you're like fifty eight and you're a mail man
• 45:13
  and you've been drinking every night and you haven't gone
• 45:16
  to the gym in six months, like, I'm gonna go
• 45:17
  kick the bag, like down, down, you get it?
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: Hurt started five minutes.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you gotta build like you say, Oh, Rogan hangs
• 45:25
  for two minutes, So I'm gonna go head for two minutes.
• 45:27
  First of all, you're not and you're gonna hurt yourself, Like, don't.
• 45:30
  If you want to start hanging, hang for fifteen seconds.
• 45:32
  Just do that every day for fifteen seconds, and then
• 45:35
  one day you'll be able to do thirty pretty easy,
• 45:37
  and then next thing you know, you'll be doing a minute.
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: I always say that to me, I say, don't. Hey,
• 45:40
  you're gonna get back to working out. You don't have
• 45:42
  to do an hour. Yeah, actually, get to start with
• 45:44
  ten minutes work. Start with ten minutes super light, literally
• 45:47
  ten minutes. You don't want to do much.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: Push ups, keep it fun, sit ups, body weight squats,
• 45:52
  that's it.
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: Feel the difference, so you feel like stimulated, you have energy,
• 45:57
  right instead of like my old trend, I love him luparata.
• 46:01
  He would say, stimulate, don't annihilate. He was the same way.
• 46:04
  He's sixty's seventy now, same thing.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because that's the thing about being a meathead. It's
• 46:10
  like your meat headedness can actually get in the way
• 46:12
  of progress. Yeah, like you guys actually learn better if
• 46:16
  you're not exhausted. Right, But there's like a lot of
• 46:19
  jiu jitsu schools that have you do shit like like
• 46:22
  when I used to train at Carlson Gracies, the warm
• 46:25
  up was so brutal. By the time you got to
• 46:28
  actually training, that was like a break. It was a break.
• 46:32
  I can hold on to this guy. You know, I
• 46:35
  don't have to fucking do somersaults over and over again.
• 46:38
  You would do all these different body weight things. They
• 46:41
  would do like duck walks and bear Cross. But their
• 46:45
  idea was, Hey, you should be fit enough that you
• 46:48
  could do all this shit and it's easy, and then
• 46:51
  you start training and then you're fit to train and
• 46:53
  it'll help your training, and there's they're right. They're right. However,
• 46:58
  if you're trying to teach people thing, the worst way
• 47:01
  to teach them is when they're exhausted. So if you
• 47:05
  can say, like Carl Gotch famously he's a famous catch
• 47:08
  wrestling guru who was a great wrestler back in like god,
• 47:12
  I think it was like the fifties and sixties, back
• 47:14
  when catch wrestling was legit, like they would they would
• 47:18
  catch wrestling. It's an American style submission wrestling that a
• 47:23
  lot of these submissions actually, you know, when you think
• 47:26
  about no Ken Shamrock, Ken Shermrock had a little bit
• 47:32
  of that for sure. You know. Ken Shamrock was he
• 47:35
  was a hybrid. You know, he did a lot of
• 47:37
  training in Japan and he did he was a leglock
• 47:40
  guy before anybody was. Like Ken Shamrock won some of
• 47:42
  the early UFCS with heelooks. Nobody even knew what the
• 47:45
  fuck was going on, and it was he was also
• 47:48
  a massive human being too, that was part of it.
• 47:50
  Like Ken Shermrock was fucking jack he was so strong.
• 47:54
  But their whole thing was all about conditioning. Like the
• 47:57
  lions Den. They had this famous crucible they would recruits through,
• 48:01
  Like if you want to train with the lions Den,
• 48:03
  you had to go through hell. They had this crazy
• 48:08
  like Bud style strength and conditioning routine. Then you got
• 48:11
  to spar. Everybody get to spar the whole team. They
• 48:13
  beat the fuck out of each other because back in
• 48:16
  those days, nobody knew what sparring light was all about.
• 48:19
  Now like everybody like knock each other out. Nobody beat
• 48:22
  the fuck out of each other. So it's like, but
• 48:24
  that's not You produce animals when you do that. But
• 48:28
  you're not going to produce the most technical guys from
• 48:32
  most of the people. Most of the most technical guys
• 48:36
  what they they think of. There's two you have to
• 48:39
  compartmentalize two different things like toughness, like in training, if
• 48:43
  you're doing cardio, if you're doing hill sprints, if you're
• 48:46
  doing you know, live drills, there's toughness, but then there's
• 48:50
  also you you got to really no technique, and technique
• 48:55
  is the king of all, and when it comes to MMA, sure,
• 48:58
  but in jiu jitsu it's even more. In mma, it's
• 49:01
  even more important because there's more aspects to the game.
• 49:04
  And if you were like, did you see the UFC
• 49:06
  this weekend, did you see Olivera versus Gamra, No bro?
• 49:09
  It was a tour de force of jiu jitsu. Really
• 49:13
  the moment Gamrack because Gamrat is a sick wrestler matalas Gameron.
• 49:17
  He's a nasty wrestler from like that part of the
• 49:22
  world that you're terrified of. I don't want to miss
• 49:25
  the old country, the hillsland Poland there you go, hard ass, motherfucker,
• 49:32
  beast of a wrestler, I mean, just a fucking animal.
• 49:35
  He took Charles Olivera down right away and was immediately
• 49:39
  in terrible trouble. Like every step of the way he's
• 49:42
  he was getting alma plata and triangled and this and that,
• 49:46
  and Olivera just dominated him on the ground. And then
• 49:51
  when it comes to stand up, Oh, Olivera is better
• 49:53
  at stand up than him, So they go on the
• 49:55
  feet and Gamrat's fucked. He is getting lit up on
• 49:57
  the feet by Olivera, and then Olivera text him down
• 50:00
  and strangles him, takes his back and chokes him out,
• 50:03
  the first guy to ever finish camera. But it just
• 50:05
  showed the importance of technique technique, finishing technique, not just
• 50:10
  holding technique and taking guy down technique, which Gamraan has
• 50:13
  a fuckload of. But he doesn't have the jiu jitsu
• 50:17
  technique that Oliver has. But he could have. He could
• 50:21
  have had that as good a wrestler as he is.
• 50:24
  If that guy just debt. And Eddie Bravo used to
• 50:27
  say this years and years and years ago. He was like,
• 50:29
  if these wrestlers, they all want to study like anti
• 50:32
  jiu jitsu, they all want to take everybody down and
• 50:35
  have you know, just avoid the jiu jitsu, avoid the submissions.
• 50:39
  That's what they concentrate on the most. He's like, instead
• 50:42
  of just learning all those submissions and just annihilating people.
• 50:47
  But they in their mind they were competing against jiu jitsu,
• 50:51
  so it was like, show we're the toughest, we're gonna
• 50:54
  get on top of my tribe. And Eddie was like,
• 50:58
  if they could just abandon that and fall in love
• 51:01
  with jiu jitsu, they'd be the most dangerous people a lot. Wow,
• 51:04
  Because they're already so interesting.
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: That's so interesting, and that makes total sense. Total So
• 51:09
  learn learning, learning your enemy, like really learning.
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: Really stop being on a team. Yeah, you're you're trying
• 51:17
  to be a fighter. If you're an m M A fighter,
• 51:20
  stop this. I represent taekwondo. Let's know you don't You're
• 51:23
  just you know you.
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: Have you and I talk about that. Don't don't let
• 51:27
  the fact that you have an idea in your head. See,
• 51:30
  we all have the we we've formed these ideas. A
• 51:32
  lot of those ideas are informed by where I am emotionally.
• 51:36
  To begin with, I'm defending something. Typically, I'm going to
• 51:39
  be defending h how I grew up, my parents, what's
• 51:43
  worked for me, all that ship, you know, yeah, my culture,
• 51:47
  and uh what happens is you get to you you
• 51:49
  start identifying with your ideas and it's just an idea.
• 51:53
  So be open to having your mind changed based on evidence.
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: Well, just don't be married to your ideas, that's for sure.
• 51:58
  But the most important thing is like think about Bruce Lee, right,
• 52:01
  what did he figure out? He figured out before anybody
• 52:05
  absorb what is useful take from all martial arts. You know,
• 52:09
  you don't have to p new thing anymore because jeet
• 52:13
  Kundeau is what we're all doing really well. If you're
• 52:16
  doing mma, you're doing jeet Kundeau. You're doing what he
• 52:19
  just said. Take a little bit of everything that works, yeah,
• 52:22
  no matter what it is.
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: But also like technique, like when you watch how they
• 52:26
  bring boxers up, like Virgil Hunter, you know in his camp,
• 52:30
  Andre Berto and Andre ward Man to watch how they
• 52:35
  like the old school boxers. I love watching them. I
• 52:37
  love watching how they train like they will they do
• 52:41
  stuff like everything you do like this guy coach Anthony,
• 52:44
  people like that. If you watch them, everything is considered
• 52:48
  and you work on your job. You work on how
• 52:50
  to set that job up. Gordon Ryan talks about that too.
• 52:53
  Like with jiu jitsu, start on the bottom, start on
• 52:56
  the bottom. How's your half guard?
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: What's it like?
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: How do you get out of amount? Start your your
• 53:02
  your entire repertoire your technique at the worst part and
• 53:06
  understand that. But with with boxing, when you watch like footwork,
• 53:10
  it's all footwork, man, it's such a different thing. It's
• 53:13
  like how you step where you punch from.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: Versus Terrence Crawford. Crawford always had his foot on the
• 53:19
  outside he was his perfect position, defense was flawless.
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: I love watching that.
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: That was a master class. It was a master class
• 53:27
  because there was one point in the fight where Terrence
• 53:30
  was pity patinum. So what he'll do is he'll pity
• 53:33
  pat you and then load up with big shots. But
• 53:35
  he was so dominant that he could stand in front
• 53:39
  of Canelo Oliva, who's one of the most feared boxer,
• 53:42
  one of the great st all time of a sport,
• 53:44
  no doubt, and Terrence Crawford is sitting in front of
• 53:47
  him going pat pat pat. Just it was crazy. I
• 53:52
  was like, look at his pitty patinum, which is almost disrespectful.
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, Alva said, he goes, I couldn't figure
• 53:58
  him out. How about that? I couldn't figure out. That's
• 54:01
  what I think fighting, it's at the highest levels. It's
• 54:04
  two people try to solve like, what are these patterns
• 54:08
  you're doing? How can I cut you off with that
• 54:10
  before you finish that pattern? Duran used to People would
• 54:14
  say when they fought Duran, they would say, he's reading
• 54:16
  my mind. And they would say he's reading my mind
• 54:18
  because he knew he could see what you were doing.
• 54:21
  He'd been there. He's like, I know where you're going
• 54:22
  with this.
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: Is also so raw. He might have been reading your mind.
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: The fuck man.
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: He was such a savage in his early days. Like
• 54:28
  people see Duran, you see Duran, Like when you fought
• 54:31
  Davey Moore and Iran Barkley and those guys. That's a Duran.
• 54:36
  That's thirty plus pounds over his best fighting weight. His
• 54:40
  best fighting weight was one thirty five, dude.
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: He fought by and Barkley was a I Ran Barkley
• 54:46
  was I think fought at sixty seven maybe even bigger,
• 54:50
  and he.
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: Fought him at that weight, yeah, and he knocked him out.
• 54:53
  Go see if you could find Roberto Duran versus ken
• 54:56
  By Cannon. This is when he won the lightweight title
• 54:58
  when he was young and like super skinny before way
• 55:02
  before he fought Leonard Crazy.
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: It's probably a black lie close to a human pit.
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: He was a fucking badger, dude, Just a ferocious man
• 55:11
  with excellent technique. That's hearing people.
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: But that's what not having enough food literally in Panama.
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and also a long history of combat sports and
• 55:22
  Panama as well. This is like it's not like a
• 55:25
  unique thing to be a boxer in Panama. So you're
• 55:27
  dealing with iron sharp. It's iron excellent technique. Oh it
• 55:31
  isn't it?
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: Heat boy?
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: Look how shitty it looks with yours of seventy two upscaled.
• 55:36
  So it's this is what every UFO video is, bro,
• 55:40
  he was so they use this ginea is Wow, it's crazy.
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, bro, when you when you, when you are a
• 55:46
  real boxer like that, that's what you do. You you
• 55:48
  don't look muscle bound.
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: Well in his defense, I mean he was a young
• 55:52
  man and he was, but he was a lot thicker.
• 55:54
  When he fought Leonard at forty seven, it looked a lot.
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: Better, That's what I like about it.
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: But he had him low a lot as well. He
• 56:03
  was very rough, like in the infighting case, great great infighter.
• 56:08
  Probably knew where the referee was too. You know, back
• 56:12
  then there was no instant replay. Ken By Cannon was
• 56:16
  very good too.
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: You ever see me getting a boxing with some sugar
• 56:19
  Ray Leonard in Sylvester Stalloane's house. You see that?
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: Pronounce? No, we're watching really good boxing.
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: Sorry, oh he got caught there.
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Ken By Cannon was legit damn wow. I mean
• 56:37
  it was a crazy fight, but he hid thirty five
• 56:40
  and this was for the lightweight title. But it was
• 56:42
  a crazy scrap of a fight. Man scooed ahead. So
• 56:45
  you could watch someone like the later action you can
• 56:48
  with something else, huh Oh yeah, who was world champion?
• 56:50
  You know, I've never heard of him until just now.
• 56:52
  It was a tough guy. I'm pretty sure that's how
• 56:55
  Duran won the title. I don't think Duran was defending
• 56:58
  the title. I think Durant.
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: Who look at that shot.
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: Bro. When you watch these guys and you think about, like,
• 57:07
  how long it takes to get this good at boxing? Yeah,
• 57:10
  thirty year time? No, he wasn't that all what I'm saying.
• 57:13
  I'm saying, but how much time is spent like trying
• 57:17
  to under fire, figure out when to connect to someone's face?
• 57:21
  I was saying, get ripped to the box.
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: That's his name. Crawford said this. This has been a
• 57:25
  thirty year career. He's been fighting for thirty years.
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, if you think about it. Well, and also
• 57:30
  Terrence Crawford has been fighting smart for thirty years. He
• 57:33
  doesn't get hit a lot.
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: That's like, which is nuts that Scot Hopkins. Hopkins never
• 57:37
  got hurt, I.
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: Mean until he fought Joe Smith and got knocked out
• 57:41
  of the ring.
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: He was felt on his.
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: Head fifty with a gray beard crazy.
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: Fifty by the way, fought from forty to fifty what
• 57:48
  nobody could beat him and in a division that required speed,
• 57:52
  never got hit. He's a genius. Yeah, he's one of
• 57:55
  the He's to me, like people talk about the greatest
• 57:57
  athletes and stuff, they never talk about what he was
• 57:59
  able to accomplished his age in that division. That's that
• 58:02
  has to be part of the conversation.
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: Well, by the time he fought Felix Trinidad, people thought
• 58:07
  he was done already. That was I think he was
• 58:09
  thirty six at the time. When he knocked out Trinidad,
• 58:12
  people thought he was over.
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: And then you know he just have You had him
• 58:15
  on this podcast.
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's awesome. Yeah, man, I'm a huge fan
• 58:19
  of that guy. So smart and you know his lessons
• 58:23
  from prison too. He's like, I'm never going back and
• 58:27
  they said to him when he's leaving soon. He was like, no, no, no,
• 58:30
  not me, bitch and just living. Yeah. Yeah, that's obsession. Yeah, Well,
• 58:37
  that's how you become a Bernard Hopkins.
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: That's how you get where you are. Too exactly.
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: The thing about Terrence though, was like Terrence is like
• 58:45
  an artist. Like what he did in there is like, God,
• 58:48
  I go watch clips from that fight over and over again,
• 58:51
  probably for decades. He's an artist. Yeah, Like what he's
• 58:54
  doing in there, it's like he's like not just beating you,
• 58:58
  He's he's beating Canelo Alva and kind of making them
• 59:01
  look a little silly and doing it with the highest
• 59:04
  stakes humanly possible with a guy that can break your
• 59:07
  face with one punch. I mean, he's missiles are headed
• 59:11
  his way and he's like, nope, nope, catch's not here,
• 59:16
  but I'm here.
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: Bam.
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: He hit him so many times where Canelo had whiffed
• 59:21
  and then he would counter. It's like, God, that's so pretty.
• 59:24
  That's so pretty, because like to be into in the fire.
• 59:27
  So like there's guys that could move real good and
• 59:30
  they were really hard to hit, like Willie Pep, you know,
• 59:33
  Willi Pep had crazy footwork Mayweather, but stand right in
• 59:36
  front of you. Though, it's a bad example because what
• 59:38
  I'm saying is like these guys that are hard to hit,
• 59:40
  that aren't moving, they're right in front of you and
• 59:42
  you can't hit them. That's Mayweather like. But there's guys
• 59:46
  that were They're hard to hit, but they were real mobile,
• 59:49
  like Michael ven Impage and Mma is a great example.
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: You can't hit them so beautiful.
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: She's moving in and out so fast, like you can't.
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: At the mother Ship. Yeah, he was there, but I
• 59:59
  missed him.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: Tee you this boom. I mean, there's missiles come in
• 1:00:03
  his way.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: It's like pop.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: God. Bro, he's so slick, like every time Canolo would.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: Show that catch that body shot with his elbow, Yep,
• 1:00:12
  you're not touching catch it.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: And then and he did get tagged a couple of times,
• 1:00:17
  but even there as Canal rushes in, he gets popped.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: You make one mistake with Canelo though, you're you're going
• 1:00:22
  out like that? Yeah, that margin and he catches it.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: But that is so pretty look at that. And to
• 1:00:29
  do that two weight classes above his normal weight, that
• 1:00:34
  is a one weight class above the previous world championship
• 1:00:37
  that he held.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: Meanwhile, do you know that?
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Oh no, listen, man, when I talked to him,
• 1:00:43
  it was I talked to him on the podcast a
• 1:00:45
  couple of years ago before, and he wanted this fight
• 1:00:48
  really bad. How thick was he he was normal size,
• 1:00:51
  you know, but he did it the right way. He
• 1:00:53
  took a long time in between fights. He did a
• 1:00:56
  lot of dead lifts and a lot there's a lot
• 1:00:58
  of like strength and conditioning videos of and we see
• 1:01:00
  him like really working hard and really like put on
• 1:01:04
  quality mass where he did it slowly over the you know,
• 1:01:08
  he didn't get roided up and then just gain a
• 1:01:10
  bunch of muscle it's useless. He did it smoothly and slowly,
• 1:01:15
  so he kept all of his skills, but now he
• 1:01:17
  had more size, and now he had more strength, all skills,
• 1:01:20
  all speed, everything was still there. Because that's an illusion
• 1:01:23
  to people think you're gonna get slower if you get bigger.
• 1:01:26
  That's not real. That's it depends on. You're not gonna
• 1:01:29
  get unless you get really crazy bodybuilder big, like mister
• 1:01:33
  Olympia big. But Evander Holyfield didn't slow down when he
• 1:01:37
  moved up to heavyweight. He actually got more fit and
• 1:01:40
  picked up his punching power. You know. It's like you
• 1:01:43
  can put on muscle and you can get stronger and
• 1:01:47
  still be fast. And Terrence totally showed that in that fight.
• 1:01:51
  That fight was just that's that fight was Boxing is
• 1:01:54
  really all about.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I love it. It's like boxing is one of
• 1:01:57
  the few. It's such an honest place in this crazy
• 1:02:00
  world where I don't know where the fuck the truth is.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: Like, I don't know how you get the judges decision.
• 1:02:05
  That's a problem. That's a problem with them in may too,
• 1:02:07
  it is. But that's that.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: Even that is a little bit like I've been pretty
• 1:02:12
  good at predicting after the fight, kind of going I
• 1:02:15
  think this guy won.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: You know, he almost got fucked in that fight. He
• 1:02:20
  was only if he didn't win the last two rounds,
• 1:02:23
  he would have lost that fight.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: Well, can so loved.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: That's not good. I mean in terms of like a judge,
• 1:02:30
  you shouldn't be looking at how much someone's loved. You
• 1:02:32
  should be looking at of course everybody loves if once
• 1:02:36
  he gets into the ring. You have to judge him
• 1:02:39
  on his performance in the ring period.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: That's it.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: But you know human beings, you love somebody you already have.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: I know corruption, Brian, I know Vegas odds, I know gambling.
• 1:02:50
  There's a lot there is, There's a lot you have
• 1:02:52
  to take into consideration. A lot of these people live
• 1:02:55
  in Vegas. You don't think they know fucking are at gamblers.
• 1:03:01
  You don't think they owe money, You don't think maybe
• 1:03:03
  something's going on. Like a lot of these guys like
• 1:03:05
  and gals by the way, they were connected as super
• 1:03:08
  shady people back in the day and decisions were fucked
• 1:03:13
  with gambling odds. Ye, what was that when Bradley Bradley Wow? Yeah,
• 1:03:21
  that same lady. She also she had scored a few
• 1:03:25
  that were like what, but that was a big one.
• 1:03:28
  That was a big one. But that's also you have
• 1:03:30
  to think of that when you see a big fucking
• 1:03:33
  decision like that where it's funky, you gotta go. If
• 1:03:37
  I was a gambler, all you have to do is
• 1:03:39
  get one person. Say, if you're betting on a split decision,
• 1:03:43
  you have to just one person in the bag. You
• 1:03:45
  just got one person that scores it the other way,
• 1:03:48
  no matter what, and you give that person two hundred
• 1:03:50
  grand and now you're gonna make twenty million. That's real.
• 1:03:54
  Like people do stuff like that, at least they have
• 1:03:56
  in the past, of course they have.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: Well let me ask you this, as you you know
• 1:04:01
  with with AI and as as we get better and
• 1:04:05
  better at these videos that you can't tell whether it's
• 1:04:08
  real or not. You know, I really wonder it is good.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: Maybe just stop looking.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: That's what I was thinking. That's what I was thinking.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: We're wasting our lives staring at.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: That's right, mind. That's what my whole special is about.
• 1:04:18
  It's called false gods because that that has become that
• 1:04:21
  is what we're bent over in prayer with. We're always
• 1:04:24
  looking at it all. Yeah, scroll right. We're just a
• 1:04:28
  nation of drug addicts.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: If there's a drug that made you stare at your
• 1:04:30
  hand all day, fuck you'd avoid.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: That's literally the theme of what I wrote about. I
• 1:04:35
  was like, I'm I find myself, Like, I find myself gone,
• 1:04:39
  I'm not gonna look at my phone, and then I
• 1:04:40
  get sucked in and there's fun, good things to watch,
• 1:04:43
  whether it's old interviews, whether it's snippets of this, but
• 1:04:46
  it's a highlight reel.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: Man. It's like mining for gold, though in a really
• 1:04:50
  shitty spot, Like you're not getting a lot of gold
• 1:04:53
  every now and then you get a little gold flake
• 1:04:55
  something funny meme aha, and then I'll send it to
• 1:04:57
  all my friends, but I find out the really fun ones.
• 1:05:00
  They make it to me anyway. Yeah, like that's what
• 1:05:03
  I really want. I really want the funny things. So
• 1:05:06
  if the funny things like funny memes and shit like that,
• 1:05:08
  they'll make it to me no matter what.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: You know what I've done. I I was listening to
• 1:05:12
  a political podcast. My buddy walked by said something so
• 1:05:15
  cool because he's done really well in life, and he goes,
• 1:05:18
  he goes, oh, you're listening to the weather again, And
• 1:05:20
  I was like, fuck, man, I am. I'm either listening
• 1:05:24
  because I want somebody to confirm my bias, or I'm
• 1:05:26
  listening because I maybe want to hear something I kind
• 1:05:29
  of already know, or it'll be a different twist that
• 1:05:32
  somehow in my mind I can use as an argument
• 1:05:34
  against somebody I already disagree with you. It's all that shit,
• 1:05:38
  right I listen to I'm fucking reading novels Now, I'm
• 1:05:42
  not doing it anymore. I'm fucking done. Well, yeah, I'm
• 1:05:46
  just My problem is, I don't think you do this
• 1:05:49
  at all. But I do know there are people you
• 1:05:51
  can make a lot of money in the podcast space,
• 1:05:54
  in the influencer space if you draw strong, good guy
• 1:05:59
  bad guys narratives, and if you can make those narratives biblical. Please,
• 1:06:03
  Now you're really in the money, and I'm always worry
• 1:06:06
  of that. I'm always worried of that reductionist kind of
• 1:06:09
  idea that bring me. I do think there are sometimes
• 1:06:11
  there are good guys and bad guys. I think there
• 1:06:12
  is good and evil. I think that's worth a worthy
• 1:06:14
  conversation I have. But man, you gotta be careful about
• 1:06:18
  getting sucked into those narratives because sometimes it's not that simple.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: Well, it's also what we were talking about earlier. People
• 1:06:23
  that aren't good at anything in their life, and their
• 1:06:26
  life gets captured by whatever team they're on, whether they're
• 1:06:30
  Democrats or Republican Christ and that becomes your whole identity.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: So how do you avoid it?
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: You don't be a retard. Jesus Christ. It's a rig game.
• 1:06:39
  It's a rig game, and you get to jump in
• 1:06:41
  with your dick in your hand, Like what are you doing? Yeah,
• 1:06:43
  it's dumb. People always want me to say I'm a
• 1:06:46
  Republican or say I'm a Democrat, like I am. I
• 1:06:50
  mostly think in a left way, mostly, but I also
• 1:06:54
  am a firm believer in discipline and human.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: Nature, personal responsibility, personal.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: Responsibility, and willpower. I think willpower is a real thing.
• 1:07:03
  I've lived my whole life with it. I know what
• 1:07:05
  it is, and so to pretend that it's not. And
• 1:07:08
  some people, you know, they don't just need to get
• 1:07:10
  their fucking shit together. That's not that's not helpful for them.
• 1:07:14
  It's not really kind and compassionate because it's not being
• 1:07:17
  honest with them by telling people they're fine the way
• 1:07:19
  they are. No, you're not. You know, you should be
• 1:07:21
  on a goal of constant self improvement. Doesn't mean you
• 1:07:24
  have to be an asshole, you know. And that's the
• 1:07:27
  other thing. People that are weak bitches. They always want
• 1:07:30
  to conflate being disciplined and having personal responsibility with being
• 1:07:34
  an asshole. No, you can be a really nice person
• 1:07:37
  and still, you know, you don't. You don't have to
• 1:07:39
  be a shithead just because you take care of yourself
• 1:07:42
  and you're healthy. It's like, this is a scam exactly.
• 1:07:45
  It's a it's a cover that weak bitches. But let's
• 1:07:50
  calm down, you know, it's nonsense. It's like people just
• 1:07:53
  get so tribal. And the reason why they do it
• 1:07:55
  is because they don't have anything else in their life.
• 1:07:57
  They don't have anything that's really important and interesting in
• 1:07:59
  their life, so they get like completely captured by politics.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: You see this now with like, you've got to give
• 1:08:04
  Trump some credit for bringing peace to a part of
• 1:08:08
  the world where you know that's been worse since Moses
• 1:08:11
  had a party of the ways with the Pharaoh.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was a lot. They had to give
• 1:08:15
  up a lot, right, they had to give up how
• 1:08:16
  many Palestinian prisoners to.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: Two d and fifty A lot of them? Are you know,
• 1:08:21
  those poor.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: Israelis that have been there for two years and what
• 1:08:24
  has happened to those people during that time. But imagine
• 1:08:27
  being in an Israeli prisoner and you're in Gaza, starving
• 1:08:30
  or just starving and taking telling the fuck out of
• 1:08:34
  that place for two years and never thinking you're going
• 1:08:38
  to get home see your family though, fuck?
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 3: Or so are they released now? Have they been released?
• 1:08:43
  All twenty living hostages have been released. Some of them
• 1:08:47
  are in really bad conditions, so they didn't want to
• 1:08:48
  show them on the camera because they've got to be
• 1:08:51
  starving to death. Yeah, they're right in the hospital.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: Well they're probably never going to be the same again,
• 1:08:55
  you know. That's that's the thing about starving to death.
• 1:08:58
  It's like your organs have massive damage. I knew this
• 1:09:03
  guy his dad had been captured in Vietnam and tortured
• 1:09:10
  and starved, and he was never the same again physically,
• 1:09:13
  even after he came back and put the weight back on,
• 1:09:16
  like he's his body was fucked up from the torture,
• 1:09:20
  from and from the starvation and the stress. Yeah, yeah, yeah, everything.
• 1:09:24
  It's just amazing that.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: He survived No Sunlight Tunnel for two years.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, whatever, whatever Trump had to do to
• 1:09:32
  do this. What's fascinating is watching people's reaction where they
• 1:09:36
  don't want to reluctantly give him credit for it, because
• 1:09:39
  it's not just this. He's He's negotiated multiple peace agreements
• 1:09:44
  between African countries that have been at war for decades,
• 1:09:49
  and this is just one more that he's done on
• 1:09:52
  top of that. It's like people can't get past what
• 1:09:55
  they they think of him in terms of the bluster
• 1:09:59
  or maybe the Epstein files, or there's like, look, there's
• 1:10:05
  no perfect person that's going to be president, and to
• 1:10:08
  pretend it's Barack Obama is crazy. If you really look
• 1:10:12
  at Barack Obama's what his legacy and what he actually
• 1:10:15
  brought to the United States in terms of punishment of whistleblowers,
• 1:10:20
  Drone deaths, some fucking crazy number like plus eighty percent
• 1:10:26
  of the people killed by drones were innocent.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: Incredible, There's a lot.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: But that doesn't mean he wasn't a great spokesman and
• 1:10:34
  a great representative of America, because he certainly was, because
• 1:10:37
  he was brilliant and articulate and just seemed calm and
• 1:10:42
  measured and all those things are great. But the reality
• 1:10:46
  is this fucking country is bought and paid for by
• 1:10:51
  huge financial interests who would like us to go bomb
• 1:10:55
  places because they make bombs, they make weapons, and those
• 1:10:58
  weapons cost a upload of money, and they come up
• 1:11:01
  with all sorts of cute reasons why we should go
• 1:11:04
  fuck up Yemen.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: And have you had Lindy Lee on your podcast?
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: No, but I was gonna get to this point. But also,
• 1:11:10
  you have to have weapons because the rest of the
• 1:11:12
  world is fucked. So it's like you have to have
• 1:11:14
  this balanced perspective on this stuff, like we don't want war,
• 1:11:19
  we should never want war. You should celebrate a president
• 1:11:23
  that his core idea is no more war. So people like, yeah,
• 1:11:27
  but he bombed I ran right. I think you are true.
• 1:11:30
  I think it was like one of these things with
• 1:11:31
  Israel or a.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 3: Negotiator, I'll bomb the site.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: I'll tell him to leave Jesus Christ, because you know,
• 1:11:39
  Israel just bombing the shit out of Gaza and they're
• 1:11:41
  like they don't care about human shields and they're like,
• 1:11:44
  fuck you, you guy, you attacked us.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: It's over. We're gonna wipe you out. So this guy
• 1:11:49
  is what he's done is if it sticks. So here's
• 1:11:55
  the thing. Does it stick? I don't know. I mean
• 1:11:57
  they've always they've come to multiple peace agreements in the past.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 3: In hamas a sad murder literally thirty two members of
• 1:12:06
  one family because they were collaborating quote unquote with Israel
• 1:12:09
  in the street. Do you see that I shot them
• 1:12:11
  in there?
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: I shot a few guys I sawfused, So why I
• 1:12:14
  only saw one where there was the three guys they
• 1:12:16
  shot in front of everybody and they probably were. That's
• 1:12:20
  the thing. The Massad and the IDF are brilliant a right.
• 1:12:23
  The reason why they got all those pages to those
• 1:12:24
  guys that blew their decks off credible. It is because
• 1:12:26
  they're fucking geniuses, right. The reason why they invented pegasus,
• 1:12:29
  the ability to just listen to your fucking phone read
• 1:12:33
  all your text messages, get all your dick pics, all
• 1:12:35
  that stuff, because they're brilliant. And of course they infiltrate
• 1:12:40
  every organization. That's how they get all their information. They
• 1:12:43
  literally have a soldier that is so dedicated to Israel
• 1:12:47
  that they give their life to go pretend to be
• 1:12:49
  Hamas and probably even commit terror just so that they
• 1:12:53
  can be legit and then that person will feed all
• 1:12:56
  the information to Israel.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: I mean you have to have like the people who
• 1:13:00
  love Israel want like I you know, you could be
• 1:13:03
  one of those people, like I hate Zionists, I hate Zionism,
• 1:13:06
  I hate what they've done. I get it. But what
• 1:13:10
  they are doing is the like most black belt version
• 1:13:16
  of tribalism, the most black belt.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: Well because they're because they have to well, because every
• 1:13:21
  threat for Israel is existential. One of the things I
• 1:13:23
  think the strength of Israel. It's a fat fascinating idea
• 1:13:26
  because when Trump made a speech at the Kanessan bb Net,
• 1:13:31
  Yaho was booed by a lot of Israelis and Trump
• 1:13:35
  was hailed. And the point of that is that Israel
• 1:13:38
  is a democracy where they're constantly arguing with each other.
• 1:13:42
  There's there's there's constant debate, and your your job, if
• 1:13:46
  you're Prime minister or whatever, is always precarious because there
• 1:13:48
  are people who are always going to be critical and
• 1:13:50
  they'll be Israelis whereas there isn't this sort of monolithic
• 1:13:54
  sort of idea like the kanesse has. But the one
• 1:13:57
  thing that unifies israelis no matter what, they'll debate and
• 1:14:00
  you want to talk about the war in Gaza and
• 1:14:03
  how it's per prosecuted, you can. There's plenty of legitimate
• 1:14:06
  synth you you you level the place. That's fine, but
• 1:14:09
  don't make one mistake, you fucking when when they're threatened
• 1:14:12
  with their existence, you want to threaten the existence of Israel,
• 1:14:15
  they'll unify right quick, and they'll they'll fucking blow up pagers.
• 1:14:19
  They got a thousand ways to get to you because
• 1:14:21
  they have.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: To point out they do infiltrate those organizations, and they
• 1:14:25
  do do that.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 3: However, why are you smiling just now because I just
• 1:14:28
  sent Jamie.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: A funny meme. Oh, I'll send one. I'll show you
• 1:14:34
  one that's more offensive that we can't show in the air.
• 1:14:36
  But this one's one of my favorites.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 3: I saw that. I think you sent that to me,
• 1:14:43
  it's so funny.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: That's see that keep this Israel be like we took
• 1:14:47
  out a musk.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 3: Should be laughing. But that's fucking ridiculous.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: Road's funny. It is crazy. Listen, this is you want
• 1:14:57
  to live, You want to live your life. You can
• 1:14:59
  you gotta you can't decide what's funny.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 3: You gotta laugh.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: That's funny. I'm not mocking anyone's death, and I think
• 1:15:06
  that's a terrible thing that it happened at all. But
• 1:15:09
  it's also there's you know, this is the Charlie Kirk question.
• 1:15:12
  When Charlie Kirk was on Patrick Ben David, it's like,
• 1:15:14
  why did it take so long for them to respond?
• 1:15:16
  Was there a stand down order? Was there? Like? So
• 1:15:20
  people get all conspiratorial with stuff like that, and then
• 1:15:23
  things get real weird because there is this thing that
• 1:15:25
  we don't want to believe but we do know is
• 1:15:27
  true that there are certain groups in this world that
• 1:15:31
  are very motivated to have a war, and no one
• 1:15:34
  wants to believe that. Everyone wants to believe the only
• 1:15:36
  reason to have a military is because we're the just, righteous,
• 1:15:40
  great country of the United States of America, and we
• 1:15:43
  don't do anything unless we're defending ourselves or defending some
• 1:15:47
  other democracy that's being destroyed by communism or whatever. Right,
• 1:15:51
  we like to think that, yeah, that's not totally real.
• 1:15:55
  And Smedley Butler figured that out in nineteen thirty three
• 1:15:58
  when you wrote Wars a raun and that's still today.
• 1:16:02
  The idea that in twenty twenty five that that's not
• 1:16:05
  the case anymore, that would be very naive, right, And
• 1:16:08
  it's not just America from instability. They profit. And then
• 1:16:12
  it also Bill Clinton literally said that BB. And this
• 1:16:15
  is Bill Clinton's words, BB Netting. Yeah, who wants there
• 1:16:18
  to be a war so he stays in power? He
• 1:16:20
  said that Bill Clinton did recently he's like, fuck it,
• 1:16:23
  I'm old. I'm gonna start telling the truth. By the way,
• 1:16:27
  I love getting my dick sucked. Can I tell you
• 1:16:30
  that's the number one reason why I became president. They
• 1:16:33
  all wanted to suck it. Everybody wanted to suck it.
• 1:16:37
  Once I was in that office, they did. So I
• 1:16:40
  fucked up. And I got one girl with a big mouse.
• 1:16:42
  She was a little young. I fucked up.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 3: I got crazy spot on a dress.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: But he's he was saying this, and I guess he
• 1:16:49
  was just saying, look, look, the Epstein files are coming out.
• 1:16:52
  Let me just fucking get real. Let me just get real.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 3: See if I go into your head, what do you
• 1:16:57
  think your best assessment of what Epstein? Who was Epstein?
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: Well? I don't know, right, So I'm just guessing. Everybody
• 1:17:07
  wants to say he was working for the Masade. He
• 1:17:10
  very well could have been. He could have been working
• 1:17:12
  for the CIA. He could have been a guy who
• 1:17:16
  is on his own but also working with them, right,
• 1:17:22
  like a guy that they used but they never fully endorsed,
• 1:17:27
  and a guy who could move money around.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 3: He definitely couldn't laundering money.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: The moving money around stuff was very weird because he
• 1:17:35
  had money through no way that anybody could ever explain.
• 1:17:38
  He had an enormous amount of money through no way
• 1:17:41
  that nobody could ever explain, which you know, if you're
• 1:17:44
  a state funded you're funded by Israel, and Israel's funded
• 1:17:48
  by America, and you know there's also NGOs and nonprofits,
• 1:17:51
  and there's ways to move money around where you can
• 1:17:53
  give this guy money. So he was like Weinstein, who
• 1:17:57
  is an economist, right, Weinstein's a legitimate mathematician. Eric. Yeah,
• 1:18:01
  So when Eric met him, his first inclination was he
• 1:18:05
  was a fraud.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 3: He's a construct?
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a construct? And did he tell you the whole
• 1:18:09
  story about the girl sitting on his lap? So the Epstein,
• 1:18:12
  while he's meeting with Eric Weinstein for the first time,
• 1:18:15
  has a beautiful girl sitting on his lap and he
• 1:18:18
  a woman. I shouldn't say girl. She was He said
• 1:18:20
  she was like in her twenties and she's sitting on
• 1:18:23
  his lap and he's bouncing around her tits.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 3: Are juggling, asking math questions.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, target serious. So he was obviously nerd fishing. He
• 1:18:34
  was fishing for nerds, and I think he caught a
• 1:18:36
  lot of nerds in that net. There's a lot of
• 1:18:38
  those guys that wound up going to that island. They
• 1:18:40
  probably thought this is great. We get to party, and
• 1:18:44
  they probably felt like they were rock stars because they
• 1:18:47
  get to hang out with the intellectual elite on an
• 1:18:50
  island with a guy who is just a billionaire philanthropist,
• 1:18:53
  who's eccentric, who just loves women. He's a professed bachelor,
• 1:18:56
  and it all seemed too good to be crude, true,
• 1:18:59
  because so he was. I think he was an asset,
• 1:19:03
  whether or not it was for the massage strictly, or
• 1:19:07
  Israel strictly, or the United States strictly. Whether it was
• 1:19:10
  a CIA thing, I don't know, but I think it
• 1:19:13
  was probably a part of a blackmail compromise effort, because
• 1:19:18
  those guys, there's a fucking dirty secret about these people
• 1:19:22
  that are in Congress and they party. Okay, they're regular
• 1:19:27
  guys and regular women, and they're in their thirties or
• 1:19:31
  forties or whatever they are, and every now and then
• 1:19:33
  they do coke and they get drunk and they community.
• 1:19:36
  Remember that DC madam that had a whole book of
• 1:19:40
  people and then she wound up committing suicide. She said,
• 1:19:42
  I'm not suicidal, and yeah, because there's probably a lot
• 1:19:47
  like that, and those kind of honeypot operations. They let
• 1:19:50
  these freaks know like, hey, you're gonna be safe with me.
• 1:19:53
  Charlie will take care of everything. Look, Bill Clinton used
• 1:19:55
  to come here. Don't worry about it. We're gonna go
• 1:19:57
  to the earth.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 3: And that's a big endorsement. It's like President here, secure.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: Area exactly on the island with Bill.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 3: This is fine, and all these girls show up and
• 1:20:06
  you're like, well, this is Christmas.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: In July, I was really interested in strength theory, he'd
• 1:20:11
  like to talk to you about strength therey. So you're
• 1:20:13
  sitting down there having cocktails while Bill Clinton's getting a
• 1:20:15
  massage from some girl was rubbing her tits against the
• 1:20:18
  back of his head while she's a massage. Yeah, like
• 1:20:21
  that's really interesting. Hey, I'm good, I'm kind of tired.
• 1:20:24
  I'm gonna take it.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 3: That another thing about black holes.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think they all thought that it was
• 1:20:31
  this lovely exchange of powerful people and brilliant people, and
• 1:20:36
  then they were just getting dirt on all of them.
• 1:20:38
  Guys cheating on their wives, Guys whether knowingly or unknowingly,
• 1:20:42
  having sex with underage girls. Maybe maybe some guys that
• 1:20:46
  was their thing. Sure, does it seemed like with Epstein
• 1:20:49
  that was his thing. Yeah, yeah, Yeah, that's what I
• 1:20:52
  think too. That's I don't think there's any evidence to either.
• 1:20:55
  I think it's all been I don't think there was
• 1:20:57
  collected with that plead deal. And I don't think there's
• 1:20:59
  any list of kind of points, no smoking gun. That's
• 1:21:02
  all I know about that.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 3: I think it's all been, you know, taken care of.
• 1:21:05
  I think that it's I think every file, but that's
• 1:21:09
  the truth.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: Why do they have all those files? What they paraded
• 1:21:11
  around with these binders, because do you remember those photo
• 1:21:15
  ops that they said, like, look, they did like a thing,
• 1:21:18
  we have the Epstein files right here, and they had binders.
• 1:21:21
  Like what kind of political theater is that if you
• 1:21:23
  don't really have the Epstein files the theater.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 3: And what I mean by that is, I think like,
• 1:21:29
  if they are keeping something quiet, it's because it's it's
• 1:21:33
  video of underage girls or it's video of the victims
• 1:21:37
  who don't want that to be out there, and that's
• 1:21:40
  you can't the Justice Mortman cannot make that public. They cannot,
• 1:21:43
  they cannot bring that to Congress. That's all sealed for
• 1:21:46
  their privacy, right.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: Well, that is the argument. But then they're saying now
• 1:21:49
  that there are no files, they're saying there's no video.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 3: I believe that is, don't you.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I think they have video. I think
• 1:21:56
  if you've got an island and you want compromise on people,
• 1:21:59
  you can't just have here. I would say, I watched
• 1:22:02
  him fuck that girl. Yes, let's sue him. No, that's
• 1:22:05
  not how it works. You have to have video and
• 1:22:07
  then you have to show it to the guy like
• 1:22:10
  mister Clinton, have a seat.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I would agree with that, except for I
• 1:22:14
  think if there is video that's somewhere in the archives
• 1:22:18
  of an intelligence agency, that's not getting out. And I
• 1:22:21
  think when he had that plea deal in two thousand
• 1:22:23
  and eight, he got tipped off. Remember, and when the
• 1:22:27
  FEDS or whoever, when I think it was the Florida
• 1:22:30
  Police Department came to kind of collect all the evidence
• 1:22:32
  in Palm Beach, those computers weren't there anymore. So all
• 1:22:35
  that shit was scrubbed, all that shit was taken out.
• 1:22:38
  So and part of a plea deal is you don't
• 1:22:41
  you don't collect evidence. There is no evidence when you
• 1:22:44
  have a plea deal. Nobody is collecting any evidence, you understand.
• 1:22:48
  So it's not like we're going to collect evidence. No, No,
• 1:22:50
  the part of the plea deal is we are not.
• 1:22:53
  This investigation is over. You plead you do your time
• 1:22:58
  in this jail where you have to You can go
• 1:23:00
  out and play golf during the day, but you have
• 1:23:02
  to come back. And no, he was under home arrest.
• 1:23:04
  He would only have to go there like a couple
• 1:23:06
  of days a week, right, he'd be in he'd have
• 1:23:08
  to go to the county jail in Pompeach the day right.
• 1:23:14
  So that's what I'm saying is I think all that
• 1:23:16
  show he.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: Did like weekends that he did like weekends in the jail.
• 1:23:19
  I'm not kidding. I think they allowed him to work money.
• 1:23:22
  It's not just money talks, it's influence. And the guy
• 1:23:26
  who is the arresting sheriff was told this guy was intelligence. Yeah,
• 1:23:31
  that's what he was told. So I would assume that
• 1:23:34
  that guy's telling the truth because he's the sheriff. He's
• 1:23:36
  got no reason to lie or whoever he was right.
• 1:23:40
  But I think there's a lot of super powerful people
• 1:23:43
  that are very, very very wealthy, and they have the
• 1:23:46
  ability to say whether or not things get out.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 3: I think it's interesting how some ideas take root and
• 1:23:55
  and stay strong. Like you know, sometimes you'll just find
• 1:23:59
  that people will just all of a sudden, everybody will
• 1:24:00
  start agreeing on one thing, like that whole transgender movement
• 1:24:03
  that that just came out of nowhere in a way,
• 1:24:06
  and it had been around, had been percolating, but it
• 1:24:08
  gets co opted and then all of a sudden, everybody is.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: Just well, it's foreign governments for sure involved me to
• 1:24:14
  what extent you mean, like thoughts and stuff like foreign
• 1:24:17
  foreign influence China. Chinas spent a lot of money pushing
• 1:24:20
  transgender ideology on America.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes sense.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is not if you're a transgender person,
• 1:24:27
  hearing this is not to deny you. I'm just saying
• 1:24:30
  that what what China has done was push people further
• 1:24:34
  and further towards not just acceptance, but indoctrination. And I
• 1:24:41
  think they also want outrage. They want us fighting with
• 1:24:45
  each other about stuff, so like they'll they'll push all
• 1:24:50
  kinds of crazy stuff, like one of the things that
• 1:24:52
  is really nuts that I used to bring up and
• 1:24:55
  people would say, this is ridiculous. Who believes this. It's
• 1:24:59
  that pet ophelia is not a crime, that it's a
• 1:25:04
  sexual orientation. This lady who's running for governor of California,
• 1:25:08
  this crazy lady, Katie Porter, that screams at her staff
• 1:25:12
  get out of she looks like the way she talks,
• 1:25:17
  like the way she talks when when the cameras are
• 1:25:20
  rolling and she doesn't think anybody's gonna see it, like
• 1:25:23
  what a monster is. But she did one of those
• 1:25:26
  interviews where she was talking about pedophilia and she was
• 1:25:29
  talking about.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 3: Minor attracted people. You mean maps, Yeah, see.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: I used to say that that they're talking about this
• 1:25:36
  in certain universities and people like that is never going
• 1:25:38
  to go anywhere. No one's going to buy into that.
• 1:25:40
  This lady's running for the governor of California and she
• 1:25:43
  said that what is her exact quote on minor attracted
• 1:25:48
  persons or people that are but she was talking about
• 1:25:52
  criminalizing that.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 3: Well, can I tell you what that philosophy is there,
• 1:25:57
  because I've actually read about it. Here's the idea. You
• 1:26:00
  you're a pedophile, which means, by the way, really weird thing.
• 1:26:04
  You can look at this up Jamie. A lot of pedophilia.
• 1:26:06
  Pedophiles are left handed. Did you know that?
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: Well, look out left.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 3: Well, the significance there is that it's neurological. Right, there's
• 1:26:12
  a there's a there's a condition in the brain. Right, Okay,
• 1:26:15
  So you you're attracted to minors, it just happens to you.
• 1:26:18
  It's a curse. Holy shit, I see a seven year
• 1:26:21
  old or whatever the fuck it is. Okay, So the
• 1:26:24
  idea is this, you have this affliction. You might be
• 1:26:27
  a you might be a person who's otherwise uh, pays
• 1:26:31
  his taxes, loves his mom, loves his friends. But right,
• 1:26:35
  now watch now they have this overwhelming urge the way
• 1:26:38
  somebody would have say, if they're a gambler or whatever
• 1:26:40
  the fuck it is, and they have no one to
• 1:26:42
  talk to because if they go to a therapist, the
• 1:26:45
  therapist has to tell the police, right, okay, so now
• 1:26:48
  you have no one to talk to. So the idea,
• 1:26:51
  just this is the idea is if we destigmatize pedophilia
• 1:26:54
  and call it a minor attractive person and and you're
• 1:26:57
  allowed to talk to a therapist without having to be incarcerated,
• 1:27:02
  the idea would be, maybe they can get help and
• 1:27:06
  they won't touch kids because a professional can help them,
• 1:27:09
  et cetera, et cetera. That's the idea. I understand the
• 1:27:13
  I understand the I guess philosophy behind that, but it's it.
• 1:27:19
  We get into this very dangerous territory where everything becomes
• 1:27:23
  medicalized and everything becomes an excuse. So all of a
• 1:27:27
  sudden we find out and we may supposedly says this,
• 1:27:30
  Maybe in twenty years we find out serial killers just
• 1:27:32
  had something wrong with their brain, and if we had
• 1:27:34
  the same lesion on our brain, we'd be the same way,
• 1:27:37
  you know, But it doesn't mean you don't put those
• 1:27:40
  people away because they are a danger to society.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: There's a guy in Austin who stabbed a bunch of
• 1:27:46
  people at the university and I think it was in
• 1:27:48
  twenty seventeen, and he's getting released. He killed a kid
• 1:27:52
  you can't killed a very promising musician, and he went
• 1:27:58
  to a mental institution. So they they, I think they said,
• 1:28:02
  not guilty for reasons of insanity. So this guy's been
• 1:28:05
  on his medication and he hasn't hallucinated in a couple
• 1:28:08
  of years. So now they're releasing him from this mental
• 1:28:11
  institution to some sort of a home where they monitor
• 1:28:15
  them closely.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 3: Now until you can actually cut out.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: There. Didn't represent Kate Porter say about minor attracted persons?
• 1:28:21
  So what did she say? Actual statement? Context? So what
• 1:28:24
  is her statement?
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 3: So she said she didn't say that minor attracted persons
• 1:28:28
  or pitiphiles an identity, nor did she say it's not
• 1:28:30
  a crime. She her actual comments have been repeatedly misrepresented online.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: Right, but I saw the video. What did she say
• 1:28:38
  in the video? She never said it's not a crime.
• 1:28:41
  Her comments were solely focused on condemning baseless and dangerous
• 1:28:46
  rhetoric against LBG.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 3: Well, how is that lgbt She was saying that people
• 1:28:51
  were making equivalence between LGBTQ community and groomers.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 2: But let's Listen's listen to what she actually said. See
• 1:28:58
  if you can find the video for saying it, because
• 1:29:01
  then we'll get more understanding of it. Just use the
• 1:29:04
  AI and here's just see if you can find a video. Yeah,
• 1:29:12
  I think that's it. Here it is. Yeah.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 5: I wanted to start with miss Robinson if I could.
• 1:29:17
  Your organization recently released a report analyzing the five hundred
• 1:29:23
  most viewed, most influential tweets that identified LGBTQ people as
• 1:29:30
  so called groomers. The groomer narrative is an age old
• 1:29:36
  lie to position LGBTQ plus people as a threat to kids,
• 1:29:40
  and what it does is deny them access to public spaces.
• 1:29:44
  It stokes fear and can even stoke violence. Mister Robinson,
• 1:29:47
  according to its own hateful content policy, does Twitter allow
• 1:29:52
  posts calling LGBTQ people groomers?
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 6: I mean, Twitter, along with Facebook and many other have
• 1:30:00
  community guidelines. It's about holding users accountable to those guidelines
• 1:30:05
  and acknowledging that when we use phrases and words like
• 1:30:09
  rumors and pedophiles to describe people individuals in our communities,
• 1:30:14
  that our mothers and our fathers, that are teachers, that
• 1:30:16
  are our doctors. It is dangerous and it's got one purpose.
• 1:30:21
  It is to dehumanize us and make us feel like
• 1:30:23
  we are not a part of this American society. And
• 1:30:26
  it has real life consequences. So we are calling on
• 1:30:29
  social media companies to uphold their community standards, and we're
• 1:30:32
  also calling on any American that's seeing this play out
• 1:30:35
  to hold ourselves and our community members accountable. We wouldn't
• 1:30:39
  accept this in our families, we wouldn't accept this in
• 1:30:41
  our schools. There's no reason to accept it online.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: That's fair.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 5: I mean, I think you're absolutely right. And it's not
• 1:30:48
  the allegation of groomor and pedophile. It is alleging that
• 1:30:51
  a person is criminal somehow and engaged in criminal acts
• 1:30:56
  merely because of their identity.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: That's what it is. So it's taken out of context,
• 1:31:02
  so you're connecting. It's connecting gay people and trans people
• 1:31:06
  to pedophilia by calling them groomers.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 3: It's why important to watch her what she actually said,
• 1:31:10
  instead of getting your fucking information in snippets from TikTok
• 1:31:15
  from other people. Who have opinions. You're being game.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: Well this is why a lot of people like hated
• 1:31:20
  Charlie Kirk the same thing and totally misunderstanding. Well, yes, yes,
• 1:31:25
  but also could have been avoided, you know, by not
• 1:31:28
  saying it the way he said it. Like there was
• 1:31:30
  some certain things that he said, Like one of them
• 1:31:32
  when he was talking about Catangie Brown Jackson, who's a
• 1:31:37
  Supreme Court justice who graduated from Harvard magna cum Lottie
• 1:31:42
  so like saying that you got what is the exact
• 1:31:47
  words he used, Like you didn't have the intellectual ability
• 1:31:53
  to be taken seriously.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 3: He said that DEI will put people right, but sass
• 1:31:58
  of power.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: I know what he's But what I'm saying is his
• 1:32:02
  saying what he said that was fucked was you took
• 1:32:07
  the spot from a white person. Like I know what
• 1:32:11
  he's doing. He was trying to make a point, and
• 1:32:13
  he was trying to make a point that affirmative action
• 1:32:16
  we should be living in a meritocracy and that we
• 1:32:18
  shouldn't be having lower standards for people. But she didn't.
• 1:32:22
  There's no evidence that she had any lower standards. So
• 1:32:25
  the part of the problem with Katangi Brown Jackson's like,
• 1:32:27
  you might disagree with her. She qualified, yeah, and I
• 1:32:31
  disagree when they asked her about what is a woman
• 1:32:34
  when she was getting confirmed, and she's like, I'm not
• 1:32:37
  a biologist, right, but you're a woman and you have kids,
• 1:32:40
  So like, cut the shit you're giving into an ideology.
• 1:32:43
  Now you know what a woman is. A woman is
• 1:32:45
  a biological female human being. Does that mean that there
• 1:32:48
  aren't men who feel like they're a biological female human
• 1:32:50
  being and they have genders for you, No, it doesn't
• 1:32:52
  mean that that's true too. But when you ask me
• 1:32:55
  what a woman is, it's a biological female human being
• 1:32:59
  that is responsible for every fucking life that's on earth.
• 1:33:03
  It's like it's a very important distinction thing. Every human
• 1:33:07
  being on earth came from a woman.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 3: Like this goes back to you and I talking about
• 1:33:11
  when you're busy and you're trying to you're running a business,
• 1:33:14
  you're building a brand, you're trying to write jokes, whatever
• 1:33:16
  it might be. I don't have time to Like it's
• 1:33:20
  like the rest of us are trying to. I got kids,
• 1:33:22
  and I got bills, and I got a lot of
• 1:33:23
  stuff I have to do.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: It's it's really hard to do everything to watch a
• 1:33:26
  snippet on TikTok, and then you get an opinion to someone.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 3: I also don't have time. What do you mean by pronouns?
• 1:33:32
  Right now? I'm busy over here like I right.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 2: But you're also not indoctrinated. You didn't go to school
• 1:33:39
  in two thoy and fifteen, you know. But I have
• 1:33:42
  a theory a long time ago.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 3: Here's my theory. I want to hear what you think
• 1:33:44
  of this. I was thinking about this. I think part
• 1:33:47
  of the transgender thing, at least in colleges and among
• 1:33:51
  and it's interesting how it took root in places of
• 1:33:54
  higher education. I think what happened was there was currency
• 1:33:59
  and being a minority. There was currency in being oppressed.
• 1:34:03
  There's currency in being somebody who's marginalized and struggling. There's
• 1:34:07
  there's there's something when you are not that, when you
• 1:34:09
  are not in those positions, there's when you're looking at it.
• 1:34:13
  Somehow it got a little bit romanticized.
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 2: Well, especially if you're an advantaged, advantage white kid, then
• 1:34:21
  you can be non binary'.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 3: That's what you get to be a minority. And if
• 1:34:28
  you're black, brown indigeness, you had to go through slavery
• 1:34:31
  hundreds of years of brutal colonization. But when you're white,
• 1:34:35
  you can be blond hair, blue eyed, come from a
• 1:34:37
  great family. But you can be a minority on the
• 1:34:40
  same level as somebody who's black because you feel like it,
• 1:34:44
  because you you're your feeling, you have your feelings, you
• 1:34:48
  feel like a minority. Therefore, I don't have to pay
• 1:34:51
  a price for anything. Oh yeah, but I get to
• 1:34:52
  be on I get to be on the same level.
• 1:34:54
  I can be a bigger minority than Dave Chappelle, who's
• 1:34:57
  a black man, because you know, he's he he's attacking me,
• 1:35:01
  so now I can attack him because I'm the most
• 1:35:04
  vulnerable minority. And I think I hate to be cynical,
• 1:35:08
  but that's a big driver for a lot of people.
• 1:35:11
  And you know, I'm not saying that transgender people don't exist,
• 1:35:13
  but there's a certain yeah.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: But there's also this cultural narrative that's supporting that makes
• 1:35:19
  you a good person on the right side of things.
• 1:35:23
  Did you see the debate they had a debate on Vice.
• 1:35:26
  Vice does these weird debates And the way they did
• 1:35:29
  this one was very strange. It was about, uh, it
• 1:35:32
  was women and these feminists and these other women that
• 1:35:38
  were talking about trans people and whether or not trans
• 1:35:42
  people are women, and it got super performative and.
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 3: ERL said it, I want to do this on my podcast.
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: It got super performative and suit it was like transmit women,
• 1:35:55
  Like that's not an argument, Like do what you're saying.
• 1:35:57
  This lady has a point about showers and locker rooms
• 1:36:01
  and competing in sports. And this is to deny that
• 1:36:05
  this is a point here plays.
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 6: Trans women be included in feminist conversations?
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 3: How about in women's spaces?
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 4: Yes, they're women.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what's the question? Women are women?
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 4: So I want to come at this from the.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 2: So.
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 4: So I play semi pro basketball, semi pro volleyball. So
• 1:36:29
  when it comes to like athletic spaces, I don't think
• 1:36:32
  that trans women should be allowed into athletic spaces because
• 1:36:35
  I don't think it's a fair I think as female athletes,
• 1:36:38
  we work so incredibly hard for the little opportunity there
• 1:36:41
  is in women's sports because there's no barrier, there's less
• 1:36:45
  opportunity in some industries, there's less. It's not no, no, no,
• 1:36:49
  it's based on the market. Okay, So again, we work
• 1:36:53
  very hard for the little opportunity that we're given, and
• 1:36:57
  the problem is like, we can't compete. We can't. Like
• 1:37:02
  I'm six ft. If I go up against a six
• 1:37:04
  foot guy and I played basketball with him.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 3: He's going to body me.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 4: And even if, even if I have years more of training,
• 1:37:13
  And so it's like you're taking away the little opportunity
• 1:37:16
  that we're given and we all work so hard for.
• 1:37:18
  It will be the end of women's sports.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 2: Confidence.
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 4: Can't make me bench for the guide benches, can't make
• 1:37:27
  me hostile.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 2: She's sharing and.
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 3: I'd have to.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 4: She's a woman who said.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 2: Kill it, kill it. The woman who dressed like a
• 1:37:41
  man with short hair said she's trans.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 3: That's a trans man, by the way, it's a man. Yeah,
• 1:37:46
  that's a man who's now a woman.
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 2: See that, I don't have a problem with Try that.
• 1:37:51
  You could go ahead do that. That doesn't bother me
• 1:37:54
  at all. Like if trans men want to invade men's
• 1:37:57
  spaces and pe next to us with a funnel, go
• 1:38:00
  for it. I do not care at all. You know why,
• 1:38:02
  because you can't rape me. Right, That's the real problem
• 1:38:05
  with trans men is that men are creeps, especially in
• 1:38:09
  female prisons. Yes, yes, female prisons is a huge, one,
• 1:38:12
  huge one, but it's also just female locker rooms, like
• 1:38:15
  some guy with his dick hanging out is pretending he's
• 1:38:17
  a woman. That's real too. There's trans women and then
• 1:38:21
  there's perverts who enter into these spaces. This is you've
• 1:38:25
  given them a Willy Walker golden ticket.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 3: It's like it's like pedophiles who found a safe haven
• 1:38:30
  when they could put on the robes of a priest.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 2: And the crazy thing is like a lot of these
• 1:38:34
  things like that one in La with that the health
• 1:38:38
  club that was they got protested because they kicked a
• 1:38:42
  trans woman out of the locker room. Multiple time sex offender, Yeah,
• 1:38:47
  multiple times.
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 3: That happens sometimes.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 2: So someone who's a fucking freak who decides, oh, I'm
• 1:38:55
  a woman now and I'm just gonna let my dick shine,
• 1:38:58
  just polish it up in front of these lay right,
• 1:39:00
  so you can just oil up your dick in front
• 1:39:02
  of you know, some people are just trying to get
• 1:39:04
  to yoga class.
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 3: I think that conversation has been one, yeah, has.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: Not totally look at those ladies.
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 3: That's a while ago. That was a yeah, it was
• 1:39:15
  five years ago. I think though, here's what here's what
• 1:39:18
  I think is importantion just that what say Yeah, it's
• 1:39:23
  Katie Porter energy.
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like what that's the same energy.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 3: They well, they stopped the conversation, right, you gotta I don't.
• 1:39:28
  I'm not going to talk to you. I've already made
• 1:39:30
  it in my mind. Well, that's a religion, right, that's
• 1:39:32
  a religious.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 2: That's a religion. Yeah, you're you're going along party lines
• 1:39:36
  the same way you would, you know, by not eating things.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 3: That are haram I try to, I try to. I
• 1:39:43
  think that if you're going to be like karam is
• 1:39:46
  is an Arabic term for essentially against God in the
• 1:39:50
  way it's forbidden, I think means forbidden.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 2: But I said.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 3: Only if you're if you're smart, I think of your frowning,
• 1:40:01
  you're allowed to. I'm not sure how you know.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 2: It's really crazy. The number one place in the world
• 1:40:05
  for the longest time where people got transgender surgeries was Iran.
• 1:40:10
  And it wasn't because they were supportive of transgender people.
• 1:40:12
  It's because they were punishing gay people. So the only
• 1:40:14
  way yeah, yeah, so the only way to be a
• 1:40:18
  gay man in a gay relationship, one of you, motherfucker
• 1:40:21
  is going to have to lose a dick.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 3: Now, I wonder if that's true. I heard that it
• 1:40:26
  is true, is it?
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's true. Yeah, yeah, they would punish that's gay people,
• 1:40:32
  tonish somebody that way. Yeah. I don't know if it's
• 1:40:35
  still number one. But I think that's also the origin
• 1:40:39
  of lady boys in Thailand. I think a lot of them. Yeah.
• 1:40:42
  I think for a long time it was illegal to
• 1:40:44
  be gay in Thailand. I saw some very convinced. Well,
• 1:40:47
  that's the thing is you're going to be a trans person.
• 1:40:50
  Being a small Asian really helps. Not right, but trans
• 1:40:58
  people like the mountain as a trans since surreal, it's not.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 3: Going to GOA is not going to make a pretty woman, right.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 2: Imagine him being on that volleyball team.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 3: They're not going to find we have no height. He's
• 1:41:07
  a woman, I mean she she's a woman.
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, trans women and women. What's the question?
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, good luck, what's the question?
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 2: What is the what are you saying you should be
• 1:41:16
  studied in the museum? They should get one day they're
• 1:41:19
  gonna look at that lady and that ideology like look
• 1:41:21
  at this virus that infected these People's bring crazy.
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 3: It's but you know, I think, like with the Charlie
• 1:41:27
  Kirk thing, when people were celebrating right, horrible, But I
• 1:41:30
  was saying, man, we better hold ourselves to it. If
• 1:41:32
  you want to be somebody who's let's call I call
• 1:41:35
  myself a traditionalist or whatever the fuck it is. Maybe
• 1:41:37
  I'm a little right to center depending on this subject.
• 1:41:38
  Maybe I'm left in this. But I thought that was horrific.
• 1:41:41
  But you got to hold yourself to a high fucking standard. Meaning,
• 1:41:45
  you know, Trayvon Martin's killer, George Zimmerman, he signs autographs
• 1:41:49
  at gun shows. He signed skittles, you know. I know
• 1:41:52
  they had a struggle and stuff, but that was a
• 1:41:54
  kid who was doing no crime at all. He was
• 1:41:56
  just being harassed by guy was and and and that
• 1:42:00
  guy's gun sold for something like two hundred and fifty
• 1:42:02
  thousand dollars. So how do you think his family feels?
• 1:42:05
  How do you think people on that side? So don't
• 1:42:08
  be a fucking hypocrite. It's really easy to be a hypocrite.
• 1:42:11
  And what Charlie Kirk was guilty of doing nothing other
• 1:42:15
  than taking his ideas and pitting them against all comers.
• 1:42:18
  That's beautiful, right, And if.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: You disagree with those ideas, the real way to handle
• 1:42:23
  it is to address them, Peter with a better idea.
• 1:42:25
  But the problem is most people don't have an opportunity
• 1:42:29
  to communicate with him, and so they see these young
• 1:42:31
  kids communicating with him on these college campuses and him
• 1:42:34
  trouncing these young kids, and you see things getting you know,
• 1:42:38
  combative or argumentative, and then you see clips, and so
• 1:42:42
  the clips, the little tiny ones like you don't have
• 1:42:45
  the intellectual capacity to be taken seriously and so you
• 1:42:49
  had to take your spot from a white person, Like
• 1:42:52
  just that clip is a real problem because he didn't
• 1:42:55
  have to say it that way, but I know what
• 1:42:57
  he was trying to say. What he should have say
• 1:43:00
  is a more qualified person because in reality, the people
• 1:43:03
  that get discriminated the most, and when it comes to
• 1:43:07
  particularly universities, are Asians. So if you wanted to like
• 1:43:12
  have a theory of white supremacy, that goes out the
• 1:43:17
  window when you look at standards at universities, have right
• 1:43:20
  because the people that they discriminate against the most.
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 3: Are Asians Chinese, because they do so well crush they
• 1:43:29
  crush rush because they have old school immigrant mentality. As
• 1:43:33
  Joey Diaz likes you, you'll never see by the way,
• 1:43:34
  you will never see a Chinese or an Asian, but Chinese, Korean,
• 1:43:37
  a Japanese person. You'll never see them complain you and
• 1:43:41
  will complain. But Bobby's different. Bobby's different a few.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 2: Bobby's also if you made it through the net, that
• 1:43:46
  will complain.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 3: Bobby's a comic. Bobby's like a great comics with different
• 1:43:49
  but it is.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 2: But I'm just jo for the most they don't all
• 1:43:52
  have discipline as the part, but they are hard working,
• 1:43:56
  like as a group, tell they're hard working people, and
• 1:44:00
  they rarely complain and they rarely protest. So when they
• 1:44:04
  have to sue Harvard, it's probably because of something real.
• 1:44:08
  And it turns out it was because of something real.
• 1:44:10
  And it's not just Harvard, it's multiple universities have higher
• 1:44:14
  standards that they apply to Asian people because the Asian
• 1:44:17
  people work harder and because they don't want their school
• 1:44:19
  to be overrun by Asians.
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 3: But I say, tough shit.
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 2: If you can't compete, this is auto a meritocracy.
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 3: They did the same thing to Jews in the fifties
• 1:44:29
  and Harvard. All these Jews are getting into Harvard. They're like,
• 1:44:31
  we have to have a quota that it's gonna be
• 1:44:32
  overrun with Jews.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 2: Shit, but then there's also the reality that people that
• 1:44:39
  live in poor communities have way shittier schools and way
• 1:44:42
  less funding and way less hope, and that's bad for everybody, right,
• 1:44:46
  So I don't think the solution is to let unqualified
• 1:44:51
  people in. And this is like affirmative action pissed a
• 1:44:55
  lot of people off. I think the solution is find
• 1:44:57
  the root of the problem and tump pump a bunch
• 1:45:01
  of resources into cleaning up communities and making these schools better,
• 1:45:05
  and making these communities better and coming opening community centers
• 1:45:09
  and giving people a chance to get the fuck out
• 1:45:12
  of whatever, give them some trades or skills, or teach
• 1:45:16
  them sports or music or something that gives them hope
• 1:45:19
  that they can do outside of gang banging and selling crack.
• 1:45:22
  And you know, the thing that I always point to
• 1:45:26
  is that that could be you, if you were born
• 1:45:29
  in that area. That would be you. That's a human
• 1:45:31
  being that's trapped in this community. I don't think the
• 1:45:35
  solution is take this guy who's got sees and give
• 1:45:38
  him a job over a guy who gets straight a's.
• 1:45:41
  I think the solution is find out why this guy
• 1:45:43
  has sees, where'd he come from? Why has this place
• 1:45:46
  been ignored. If we're really if leaders are real leaders,
• 1:45:50
  why would you ignore the most disenfranchised people in the
• 1:45:53
  world unless you're using them as political pawns. What you
• 1:45:56
  should do is try to figure out a way to
• 1:45:58
  make it profitable for businesses, the same way Haliburton, Like
• 1:46:03
  when we blew up Iraq, Haliburton came in and made
• 1:46:05
  a shit ton of money rebuilding things. Make it profitable
• 1:46:08
  to make these fucking communities safe again. Make it profitable
• 1:46:11
  to rebuild.
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 3: But you have to start with telling the truth, okay,
• 1:46:15
  and people don't want to, so you we can't even
• 1:46:17
  get out of the fucking gates. So if I say
• 1:46:20
  something like the biggest problem in some communities, by the way,
• 1:46:24
  certain white communities, definitely in certain black communities, the biggest
• 1:46:28
  problem is fatherlessness. If I say that, there are plenty
• 1:46:31
  of people that say that's that's we're already I'm already
• 1:46:34
  going to push back because you're already being racist. But
• 1:46:37
  I can't have a conversation. Statistic right, it is seventy So.
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 2: You know that's one of many problems.
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 3: Right, But I had I never forgot when it comes
• 1:46:48
  back to Chinese stuff. I remember when So if you
• 1:46:51
  look what the Chinese did to Manchuria in the in
• 1:46:54
  the thirties, Irish Changa wrote a book about it.
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 2: That thing.
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 3: It was called the Rape of Non King. She did
• 1:46:59
  all the job, that's right, Japanese. I'm sorry, the japanesehip
• 1:47:02
  Chinese and and I was chaining ended up killing herself.
• 1:47:05
  And I think her mother or someone said it was
• 1:47:08
  because of the just the trauma of doing the research
• 1:47:11
  of what they did.
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 2: Well. They had contests to see who could kill the
• 1:47:14
  most people in a short amount of time with their sword.
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 3: It was the most ferocious killing besides I think Rwanda
• 1:47:19
  in the history, but a concentrated number. And I said
• 1:47:22
  to my Taekwonda teacher I was in college and he
• 1:47:25
  was Korean, and I said, why haven't the Chinese asked
• 1:47:29
  for some kind of reparation. Why haven't they sort of
• 1:47:32
  like asked for formal apologies and stuff. And he said,
• 1:47:36
  because in an Asian culture, Chinese, Korean culture, Japanese, the
• 1:47:40
  idea is this. The Chinese said, oh, well, that happened
• 1:47:44
  to us because we allowed it to happen. We didn't
• 1:47:48
  we didn't have our guard up, we weren't strong, and
• 1:47:51
  it'll never happen again, because you're never doing that to
• 1:47:53
  us again. And it was really fucking wild. I was like, damn, man,
• 1:47:56
  that's all. That's a crazy thing. But that's that's inherent
• 1:48:00
  to that culture, which is radical responsibility, Like you're responsible.
• 1:48:04
  I don't give a fuck. Chinese people have dealt with
• 1:48:07
  a lot of discrimination. I believe the word chink comes
• 1:48:11
  from them working on the railroad. So the sound of
• 1:48:14
  the ching ching, you know, like that, Yeah, I think
• 1:48:17
  that's where it. Look that up, Jamie, that's where.
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 1: That that that.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 3: But they suffered a shitload of discrimination and they just
• 1:48:23
  set up shop anywhere in the worst neighborhoods, whatever it was.
• 1:48:27
  There's always Chinese restaurant right now, probably in the Congo.
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 2: Let's find out. Let's use Perplexity, which is one of
• 1:48:31
  our sponsors, thank you, and see if that's where the
• 1:48:34
  origin of the word chink came from. Even saying that
• 1:48:36
  right there, so we could just clip that out. Oh
• 1:48:39
  they're using they're using slurs.
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 3: They're using slurs.
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 2: But that does make sense.
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 3: Because they just they're no excuses. They just excel. You'll
• 1:48:49
  you'll learn how to play a fucking classical instrument fluently
• 1:48:52
  and be great in finance.
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 2: How did they get people to work on the railroads,
• 1:48:57
  specifically from China? Like, what was the organ I think.
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 3: They came here. I think it was part of the
• 1:49:01
  gold Rush, and I think a number of them came
• 1:49:04
  here on the West Coast, I think through San Francisco.
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 2: And how do you wind up being the predominant workforce
• 1:49:11
  of the need?
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 3: They needed labor? They need.
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 2: So etymology sorry from iron chink fish butchering Machine nineteen
• 1:49:25
  oh five replace many Chinese laborers and fisheries and reinforced
• 1:49:28
  the slur's prominence as a racist term during that period.
• 1:49:32
  Oh wow, so that's crazy. So instead okay, So the
• 1:49:38
  derogatory application may also stem from a resemblance to chink,
• 1:49:41
  meaning a narrow opening or a crack, like a chink
• 1:49:43
  in the armor. Huh, butering machine?
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 3: Well, I guess.
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 2: But the fish butchering machine was about it's an iron
• 1:49:52
  It was doing the work of the Chinese people. So
• 1:49:55
  that's why they called it an iron chink. It's like
• 1:49:57
  a slur of the machine. It's not like they were
• 1:50:00
  named after the machine. Initially applied to Chinese immigrants, it's
• 1:50:05
  used broadly to target Eastern Asian people in general. So
• 1:50:08
  what was the origin When did it start? Well, some
• 1:50:11
  of it so eighteen eighty, I'm coinciding with it increased
• 1:50:17
  Chinese immigration to North America during the late nineteenth century
• 1:50:20
  when anti Chinese sentiment was strong. Yeah, it seems like
• 1:50:23
  it's just short for China. All right, bad, no worries.
• 1:50:26
  It makes sense though. It sounds like one of those
• 1:50:29
  things somebody says in.
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 3: A barbershop from a Chinese person.
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 2: Interesting, Well, he probably believes it too, he needs used ai.
• 1:50:38
  It's not always right, you know, there's it's only based
• 1:50:40
  on what's out there. You know, there's things that are
• 1:50:44
  just not factually correct, or there's a problem where whatever
• 1:50:49
  government or agency or whatever you're researching has pushed so
• 1:50:52
  much propaganda through that the standard of what standard of
• 1:50:58
  care or standard of education or standard of whatever. Is
• 1:51:03
  this incorrect stuff? Like one of the weird things that
• 1:51:05
  Huberman was saying when he was talking to one of
• 1:51:10
  his colleagues who is a physician. Uh, and he said,
• 1:51:14
  what percentage of what is in the medical literature is incorrect?
• 1:51:20
  And he said fifty percent.
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 3: Yah, I heard that.
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 2: It's crazy. Fifty percent in medical school is incorrect. So
• 1:51:26
  you could research something like that, and you know, and
• 1:51:30
  it's in the medical literature, so that AI would assume
• 1:51:34
  that it's correct, But it is not correct because people
• 1:51:38
  are full of shit, right, and they don't like to
• 1:51:41
  be corrected, and they don't like to admit when they're wrong,
• 1:51:43
  and they don't like to talk acts. And they also
• 1:51:45
  don't like to rewrite history books and they don't like
• 1:51:47
  to rewrite things. Like they push back real hard against
• 1:51:51
  that stuff. You know, like this idea that we're always
• 1:51:54
  on this like constant search for truth. So yeah, some
• 1:51:57
  people and some people on are constant search to protect
• 1:52:00
  their ego and the reputation because they've said one thing
• 1:52:03
  in the past, so that they start to lie, yes,
• 1:52:06
  and they books about it, right, and they have to
• 1:52:08
  lie and office gate because they can't admit that they
• 1:52:11
  were wrong.
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 3: I remember this guy who said he came up with
• 1:52:14
  the whole theory on echinesia which is good for colds,
• 1:52:17
  and then they this exhaustive study about echinaesia and they
• 1:52:20
  were like, listen, we've done twenty five studies. It doesn't
• 1:52:23
  make a fucking dent. Which I can attest to it
• 1:52:25
  because I just take a shipload of it fucking st
• 1:52:27
  stay stick of shit. Yeah.
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 2: People used still say echination golden seed, that's right, And
• 1:52:31
  I took those two and I used to take the
• 1:52:32
  ship out of those give me diary hippie chicks. Fuck man,
• 1:52:36
  it's their idea.
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he need to take Okay, somebody gave it to
• 1:52:41
  me and it was on the tail of my cold,
• 1:52:42
  and I was like, I'm better. And then I was like,
• 1:52:43
  I'm taking this fucking fuck off.
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 2: What is the benefit of What do they say achinesia does.
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 3: Viral and anti viral? Anyway, the guy who came up
• 1:52:53
  with the idea, he goes, I'm still taking it. That
• 1:52:55
  was his response.
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 2: Well, let's find out what this. What does the studies show,
• 1:52:58
  asked perplexity. What the study show about echinaesia?
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 3: I saw that with oil, looked at ceed oils. Apparently
• 1:53:05
  there's no studies that say it's bad for you.
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's bad for you, is it? Yeah, it's
• 1:53:08
  it's industrial lubricant. It's not really just if you know
• 1:53:12
  all the process that's involved in making it. It's also
• 1:53:16
  not nearly as healthy as olive oil. And you can
• 1:53:18
  get olive oil. Just use olive oil. Stop fucking round
• 1:53:21
  or use beef. It's not human food, man, it's processed
• 1:53:26
  bullshit like that. Just that alone, Like olive oil is
• 1:53:30
  fucking super healthy for you, really good for you, and
• 1:53:34
  you can use that, So why do you why are
• 1:53:35
  you use all that bullship? It's also it's disgusting, like
• 1:53:41
  the way they make it. If you're seeing the way
• 1:53:42
  they make seed oils, what does it say? Immunion cold prevention.
• 1:53:47
  Many studies suggest echination may help support immune function and
• 1:53:50
  possibly reduce the number and severity of upper respiratory infections
• 1:53:53
  some trials. Some trials found a small reduction in cold
• 1:53:57
  risk or illness duration, while high quality review show little
• 1:54:00
  to no statistically significant benefit over placebo. That's all we
• 1:54:05
  need to know. We're we're good. That's it. You would
• 1:54:08
  read them.
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 3: But again that's part of science, right, Like you you
• 1:54:10
  you look at that, you do a study, you see
• 1:54:12
  what works, right, and if it doesn't, it doesn't right
• 1:54:14
  because their stuff is complicated. Sure, you know how you
• 1:54:17
  do a study. What you leave out?
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 2: Also who's funding the study.
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 3: Who's funding the studies? Huge, whether or not how big
• 1:54:24
  was the study? Yeah, all that stuff, Yeah, and then
• 1:54:27
  a lot of the stuff is also like you have
• 1:54:28
  to have expertise in that field to even understand the research.
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 2: Also, studies are much like corrupt boxing judges. It's like,
• 1:54:37
  what's the purpose of this? Like, what are you trying
• 1:54:40
  to do? You're trying to make a lot of money.
• 1:54:41
  If you're trying to make a lot of money, you
• 1:54:43
  can make a study where you can take a dosage
• 1:54:45
  that's preposterous and give it to a group of people
• 1:54:49
  and this fucks them up, and then you have a
• 1:54:51
  great base of saying this is a dangerous drug.
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 3: Right they did think.
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 2: I was watching this guy who's on Patrick Bett David's show.
• 1:54:58
  There's something that I did not know. Do you know
• 1:55:00
  that heroin was created? It was termed as a solution
• 1:55:05
  to morphine addiction. Wow, but it is morphine, it's just
• 1:55:10
  slightly different. It's just like methodone's fucking terrible for you,
• 1:55:15
  And that's what they used to get people off of heroin.
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 3: I remember I knew people who would go to the methadone.
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 2: We'd call them the Methadonians when those play in pool
• 1:55:22
  at Executive Billiards in White Plains, New York. It was
• 1:55:25
  right down the street from a methadone clinic and the
• 1:55:27
  Methadonians would get their method. Heroin was originally created a
• 1:55:31
  supposedly non addictive substitute for morphine, intended to treat morphine
• 1:55:35
  addiction and serve as a cough suppressant. Wow, now here's
• 1:55:39
  what's really crazy. Do you know that when they were
• 1:55:43
  inventing this stuff, one of the things that they also
• 1:55:45
  came up with was a seed of menafin and a
• 1:55:48
  seed of menifin they didn't want people to take because
• 1:55:51
  in studies they show that it fucks wraps up like
• 1:55:55
  this is like all these crazy liberals who are not
• 1:55:58
  they're taking tyre and all because our f K Junior
• 1:56:00
  said don't take it. It's like, thank you, I'm taking
• 1:56:02
  tyland off and I'm pregnant. Maybe it's okay to take
• 1:56:05
  tiland off you're pregnant. I don't know. But what I
• 1:56:08
  do know is it's the number one source. A seed
• 1:56:11
  of menaphon is the number one source of acute liver
• 1:56:13
  failure in America. Five hundred people die in America every
• 1:56:18
  year from liver failure because of taking a ceed of menifin.
• 1:56:22
  So don't take it, or it's or it's or it's
• 1:56:26
  a dose thing, right, so I know it's most certainly
• 1:56:28
  if the woman's pregnant and her temperature goes way up,
• 1:56:31
  it can for the baby.
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 3: So there's a there's a there's a dose that you
• 1:56:35
  take that apparently is okay, right, so you can take it.
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 2: Perhaps, I don't know how you would find. I don't
• 1:56:42
  having another woman with the exact same body take thiland
• 1:56:45
  all and not have a problem and one that takes nothing.
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 3: It doesn't think I asked you about Remember the meat
• 1:56:50
  thing where I talked to this guy who.
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 2: Said that, hold on, what is this said, Jamie is
• 1:56:55
  Ceedomnafin has no direct chemical or historical connection with the
• 1:56:58
  invention or development of heroin. Yeah, no, no, that's not
• 1:57:01
  what we're saying. No, they they developed is bayar. They
• 1:57:04
  developed a seed of menafin as well. It wasn't that
• 1:57:07
  it had a connection to heroin. It was just another
• 1:57:09
  thing that they developed that they didn't want to release
• 1:57:11
  because they founded that it had problems. But this is
• 1:57:14
  a guy on Patrick Pett David not He wasn't saying
• 1:57:16
  that it was developed as a substitute for heroin as No,
• 1:57:19
  it's not nothing like heroin.
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 3: Did you see what Patrick Matt David said about Porter.
• 1:57:25
  Who about Katie Porter or whatever her name is.
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 2: No, I didn't.
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 3: It was so funny. He goes, I just want to
• 1:57:30
  shout out to Katie Porter. She's fantastic. He's just like,
• 1:57:33
  just keep going, man, I just keep talking that way.
• 1:57:35
  And he was just but the way he was doing it,
• 1:57:37
  it sounds like he was supporting her, but it was
• 1:57:39
  just like, just keep on going. You're telligentic. This is fantastic.
• 1:57:43
  You're great. He's fucking so funny. I love that guy.
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 2: He's a great guy.
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 3: I love that dude.
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 2: Get along with this is that that is an unfortunate situation.
• 1:57:53
  And now she's right now drowning in anxiety the wave
• 1:57:59
  of the people that are attacking her, and even unjustly
• 1:58:02
  because of the clip that we pulled up where she
• 1:58:04
  was talking about people connecting groomors to just regular LBGT
• 1:58:07
  people or LGBT people. The uh, just the wave of
• 1:58:14
  hate that's coming her way, especially when she yelled her
• 1:58:16
  staff get out of my fucking shot, like, we all
• 1:58:19
  know that kind of person.
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we all know you are.
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 2: That's who you are. That's the real We've seen people
• 1:58:25
  like that, we know those kind of people.
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know, I I actually as I get older,
• 1:58:30
  I think how you think and what you actually hold
• 1:58:34
  in your mind in your heart, even if you try
• 1:58:37
  to keep it a secret, it comes out. It will
• 1:58:39
  always come out.
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 2: That's why podcasts are so good.
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 3: Fuck yeah, man, It's like, listen, your brain is a garden.
• 1:58:44
  You got to deweed it. You got to keep your brain.
• 1:58:47
  You got to keep your mind on the good things.
• 1:58:49
  People are gonna fuck you over.
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 2: You got to.
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 3: You got to. You gotta forgive them, or you have
• 1:58:52
  turned your own back on your future. All those little challenges. Yeah,
• 1:58:56
  you're gonna have You're gonna have hardship that goes on.
• 1:58:58
  You're gonna come home, your wife is gonna need you
• 1:59:00
  got kids. You can't bring that shit home. That That
• 1:59:02
  is the discipline. That's being a warrior, not all this
• 1:59:05
  fucking other stuff like I'm fucking practicing my double and
• 1:59:07
  singing like I have no idea why I love my
• 1:59:09
  son's taking jiu jitsus. I like to teach them. But
• 1:59:12
  at the end of the day, the challenges are keeping
• 1:59:15
  your mind and your heart pure. And I never used
• 1:59:18
  to speak this way, but as I get older, that's
• 1:59:19
  kind of really what I believe because it's kind of
• 1:59:21
  fuck you're not getting away with it.
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 2: Well, that's why you should stay off social media because
• 1:59:25
  you'll have enemies all day long. And there's a lot
• 1:59:27
  of people that are our age that are complete addicts,
• 1:59:30
  that are just especially the left people for whatever reason.
• 1:59:33
  But I shouldn't say that. I know a lot of
• 1:59:35
  people on the right they're addicted to it too, But
• 1:59:37
  it's just addicted to these arguments that people have constantly
• 1:59:40
  every day and calling people assholes and losers, and you're
• 1:59:43
  just carrying around all that bullshit with you all day.
• 1:59:45
  That's exhaust which is why I don't do it. I
• 1:59:47
  mean I could. I could go in on fucking every
• 1:59:50
  person that ever wronged me or this that he said
• 1:59:53
  bad things about me, Like come.
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 3: On, I always do that. I say, listen, I have friends,
• 1:59:57
  I'm getting hate. I'm like, listen, dude, getting hate.
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 2: You're doing something right, or you're a cunt, and maybe
• 2:00:03
  you should get your shit together.
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 3: Maybe the people are right you're a cunt.
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 2: It's you never know, like you know, there's a certain
• 2:00:09
  amount of criticism that you should respect. You should look
• 2:00:12
  at it and go. But a lot of it is
• 2:00:13
  straw man criticism, and the reason why people are doing
• 2:00:16
  is not really they're not really criticizing you or what
• 2:00:18
  you stand for. They're making up a thing. I like,
• 2:00:21
  attend that you stand for that thing, and then they're
• 2:00:23
  attacking that.
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 3: I get I get checked that. Sometimes I no longer
• 2:00:27
  like I'll read a book and I'll become an expert.
• 2:00:29
  Like I'll read a book half a book on nutrition.
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 2: You'll read a fucking headline. I read a.
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 3: Headline, bro, and I'm and you better sit down at
• 2:00:37
  my feet because I got some shit to teach you.
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 2: And I said something to Terrence Howard once that I
• 2:00:42
  will never forget really important thing. He said, stop teaching,
• 2:00:47
  Stop trying to teach people. You're not an expert. Wow. Yeah,
• 2:00:51
  And you know, in his case it was very personal
• 2:00:54
  because Terrence was talking about mathematics and physics, and yeah,
• 2:00:58
  it was very important for him because like, because you know,
• 2:01:01
  we know Eric very well, and but there's a lot
• 2:01:03
  of people who think Eric's an idiot, which is hilarious,
• 2:01:05
  it's hilarious, it's funny. Good luck with that, and smart people.
• 2:01:09
  There's smart people that decided he's an idiot and a fraud.
• 2:01:11
  And I've seen videos where smart people are tearing him apart,
• 2:01:15
  and I'm like, that's interesting, Okay, that's so uncharitable and
• 2:01:19
  not necessary. And even if you have criticisms about the
• 2:01:22
  way he communicates, you gotta understand that the way he
• 2:01:24
  communicates to him is normal, right, because he's really fucking smart.
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 3: He's an inherently decent, beautiful person.
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 2: He's a great guy. He's a great guy. He's a
• 2:01:32
  genuinely great guy. And he's, you know, not the kind
• 2:01:35
  of guy that goes out of his way to try
• 2:01:36
  to ruin other people. He's not doing that at all.
• 2:01:39
  And so I get that there's a there's a currency
• 2:01:43
  in criticizing people like you can get clickbait headlines and
• 2:01:46
  clickbait videos. But that all comes at a cost too,
• 2:01:50
  because I'm never going to really respect you because I'm
• 2:01:52
  gonna think that what you're doing when you're doing that
• 2:01:55
  kind of stuff is I get it. It's because if
• 2:01:57
  it's a business, you're doing it on YouTube. It's the
• 2:01:59
  best way to get licks. But this this just gross
• 2:02:02
  going out of the way to attack people. It's not
• 2:02:05
  smart now, because you're gonna be that guy forever and
• 2:02:08
  then one day you're like fifty or sixty, and you've
• 2:02:13
  built your whole brand on being a cunt.
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 3: But also that same critical that same critic comebacks to you.
• 2:02:18
  It comes, it turns around, it comes back at you
• 2:02:20
  when you try to do something, because being good at
• 2:02:23
  anything is very hard. Like I got I'm fucking dropping
• 2:02:26
  my special and I got to write a whole new
• 2:02:29
  I've been writing all new shit. That's fucking hard. Not
• 2:02:32
  repeating yourself, trying to like shake up your paradigm. It's
• 2:02:35
  really hard. And you go through some days where you're like,
• 2:02:38
  I'm never gonna write a joke again, right.
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 2: And if somebody sees you on one of those days
• 2:02:42
  where you're eating dick, they're like, oh my god, he's terrible. Right, Okay,
• 2:02:46
  Well I've seen people say that about Louis, Like a
• 2:02:48
  friend of mine saw Louis and the cellars, like, oh
• 2:02:50
  he sucked. I go, no, it shouldn't suck, dude. He's
• 2:02:53
  got new bits that are brand new. And if you
• 2:02:56
  see an hour from a year from now, that hour
• 2:02:58
  will be a polished masterpiece. But it doesn't come out
• 2:03:02
  of the box perfect. And the only way to ever
• 2:03:04
  develop it is you have to have the courage to
• 2:03:07
  trot these ideas out and try to find where the
• 2:03:09
  funny is in them, And sometimes the funny isn't there,
• 2:03:12
  and you think it is, and you go looking around
• 2:03:13
  and go, all right, folks, it's there's no other way
• 2:03:16
  you kid try as a comedian to navigate those waters.
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 3: But you know, I did an interview on a radio
• 2:03:22
  thing and this fucking guy who was he had just
• 2:03:25
  started doing stand up, was criticizing the quote unquote that
• 2:03:30
  right wing hack comedian named Jim Brewer, and I went,
• 2:03:34
  I turned that interview. I was like, are you calling
• 2:03:37
  Jim fucking Brewer a hack? Do you know how funny
• 2:03:41
  that motherfucker is? You know how hard fun You know
• 2:03:43
  how hard is to be to do what that dude does, Like,
• 2:03:45
  shut the fuck up. You've never done you have ten
• 2:03:48
  minutes of material. Shut up? That guy's That guy kills me.
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 2: You ever see his.
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 3: Routine about the fucking when his cat got the shit
• 2:03:58
  kicked out of him by a raccoon. Dude, who's your mother?
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 2: Now?
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 3: He just got this shit get he's.
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 2: So physically it's so funny, physically funny. Oh and he's
• 2:04:08
  been really funny since I met him. Yeah, he's never
• 2:04:10
  met him in like ninety one or ninety two funny.
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 3: Then he was great goat boy.
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 2: He was phenomenal. And he's a great guy too. He's
• 2:04:17
  a great guy. And it's just like people are always
• 2:04:20
  trying to build themselves up by taking other people down.
• 2:04:24
  And it's historic. It's been going forever. It's always the case,
• 2:04:27
  and it's normal. Like when you're young and you're coming
• 2:04:30
  up and you see people that are doing better than
• 2:04:31
  you're like, fuck that guy. It's normal, but it's not beneficial.
• 2:04:35
  It's not good for you.
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 3: You can get it to inspire you. Yeah, I've done.
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 2: What they do. I've hated on people. I definitely did
• 2:04:42
  when I was younger. It's just not smart. It's not
• 2:04:45
  it's not a good strategy for life that help you.
• 2:04:47
  It's you know, your identity gets too wrapped up in
• 2:04:51
  conflict and it's just like super unhealthy.
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 3: People our age who are still doing that shit. Of course,
• 2:04:57
  Mark Marrin don't say it. I mean, I don't get it.
• 2:05:01
  You know, I'm like, I don't know, I get it.
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 2: He's sad. He's sad. He wants other people to hurt.
• 2:05:08
  That's what it is. It's just not chle Well it's
• 2:05:10
  also he's patho logically jealous, like he's been path he's
• 2:05:15
  like literally mentally ill. Like do you understand Mark? When
• 2:05:19
  he first started, when he was just first coming up,
• 2:05:21
  was friends with Mitch Hepburg, and then Mitch Hedberg hit
• 2:05:23
  and he couldn't be friends with him anymore. Really, yep,
• 2:05:25
  stop being his friend. Same thing with Louis c K.
• 2:05:28
  Louis c K and him were tight. Louis blew up.
• 2:05:30
  Mark didn't. He had to fucking hate him, and he
• 2:05:34
  turned on him, talk shit about him, talked about him openly,
• 2:05:38
  and then he became successful. And the years where Mark
• 2:05:42
  was successful were the best years of Mark because Mark
• 2:05:45
  was fun. Like I've had ups and downs with Mark.
• 2:05:47
  I've gone through this with him, like three or four
• 2:05:49
  different times where we he gets upset at me and
• 2:05:54
  then we talk and then are we good. We're good,
• 2:05:56
  like he likes to do that. It looks talk shit
• 2:05:58
  about you and then you confront him and he says,
• 2:06:00
  you're right. And with me, Mike, my relationship with him
• 2:06:04
  was really complicated because when I was an open micer,
• 2:06:07
  I was twenty one years old and I was just
• 2:06:08
  starting out. Mark gave me a compliment once that really
• 2:06:11
  helped me. He came up to me and he goats
• 2:06:13
  nay Man, you're really funny. He just keep doing what
• 2:06:15
  you're doing. Don't listen to anybody else, just keep doing
• 2:06:17
  what you're doing. I was like, Wow, thank you.
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 3: That's his best side. That's my good side. And he's
• 2:06:21
  not all bad.
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 2: And he was a young guy back then, right, so
• 2:06:24
  he was just being cool. And then over time, obviously
• 2:06:28
  I became more famous than him and more successful than him,
• 2:06:31
  and he.
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 3: Does not like that.
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 2: He fucking hates that. And the only time we were
• 2:06:35
  cool was Mark was number one. So Mark the podcast
• 2:06:40
  took off, and you got to realize it took off
• 2:06:41
  when he was deep into his forties, right, and it
• 2:06:44
  was the number one podcast in the country, and he
• 2:06:46
  was on Rolling Stone magazine, and you know, he had
• 2:06:50
  his own show on IFC, The Marin Show. And he
• 2:06:53
  was fucking great.
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 3: He was cool to hang with.
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 2: He was fun because he didn't have to compare himself
• 2:06:59
  to anybody anymore because he was a success, Like he
• 2:07:02
  could look at his own success. He was doing a
• 2:07:04
  television show, he had his podcast. Everything was great, and
• 2:07:09
  we were cool, like we're friends, like I'd seen him.
• 2:07:11
  I gimm hug, I said, what's going on. We would talk.
• 2:07:13
  We're like, we're friendly at the store. We never hung
• 2:07:16
  out off you know, off site, but we were friendly,
• 2:07:20
  like we had pushed all the beef aside and even
• 2:07:22
  did my podcast. We had a great time. And then
• 2:07:27
  I started getting more successful, and then my podcast passed his.
• 2:07:31
  Then my podcast became number one, and then the Spotify deal,
• 2:07:35
  and that's when he started talking about me. So he
• 2:07:37
  started talking about me long before all this Trump stuff.
• 2:07:41
  This Trump stuff is just the most recent iteration of
• 2:07:45
  this bizarre thing that he does with people. And the
• 2:07:49
  first thing was he had decided that I was an asshole,
• 2:07:54
  like just because the podcast took off, but it was
• 2:07:57
  it was not a big deal. It was like I'd
• 2:07:59
  heard people will say that he was saying things. But
• 2:08:01
  then after the Spotify deal, the Spotify deal was a
• 2:08:06
  real problem, and that's when he started coming after me.
• 2:08:09
  And it was about vaccines. Like so he was talking
• 2:08:12
  about me on stage about vaccines. It's like, by the way,
• 2:08:16
  everything I said was correct. The people that I had
• 2:08:19
  on my podcast were like Robert Malone, who got criticized
• 2:08:22
  with he has nine patents, in the creation of m
• 2:08:25
  RNA technology.
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 3: He's a vac he's a vaccinologist.
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 2: He took the vaccine himself and had a horrible adverse event,
• 2:08:33
  which is when he started becoming critical of it. And
• 2:08:35
  then he started doing the science and looking into the
• 2:08:37
  papers and the research, and he was trying to sound
• 2:08:39
  the alarm. He was right, he was right all these
• 2:08:42
  doctor Pierre Corey, he was right. Peter McCullough is the
• 2:08:46
  most published doctor in human history in his particular field
• 2:08:51
  of expertise, which is it's kidney dizzy. I don't I
• 2:08:57
  don't exactly. He's a scientist, very well credit and acredited scientists.
• 2:09:03
  So these are the people that I had on that
• 2:09:06
  we're talking about this stuff. It had nothing to do
• 2:09:10
  with that. With that Maren was upset at. It had
• 2:09:13
  to do with chealousy.
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 3: I think though. It's another thing. I think some people
• 2:09:16
  have a very traumatic experience when they're younger, could be
• 2:09:20
  high school, and you represent an avatar of that experience.
• 2:09:25
  So we just spent I don't know, the first fucking
• 2:09:28
  third of this podcast was about fighting, working out and
• 2:09:30
  all that stuff. There's a physicality there. You you are
• 2:09:35
  a physical guy. You're physically imposing. You know, you can
• 2:09:39
  choke somebody unconscious, punch them in the face, blah blah blah.
• 2:09:42
  That that that meatthead persona that kind of like uh
• 2:09:47
  forward tilt, that yang energy, that very hyper male energy.
• 2:09:52
  Some people have a very bad experience with that kind
• 2:09:54
  of energy when they're young.
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 2: They might be I understand, but you have to judge people.
• 2:09:58
  And of course you get straw people and pretend that there.
• 2:10:02
  He likes to pretend that I'm like a mean Jobe.
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 3: But that's what I'm saying is that you've got to, like,
• 2:10:06
  as an adult, after a while, you have to come
• 2:10:07
  to terms with whatever emotional reaction you have to whatever
• 2:10:11
  this avatar is that you've put all this stuff on
• 2:10:13
  which we all do. I think you've got to take
• 2:10:15
  your tell After a while, you got to go, hey,
• 2:10:17
  this is where I got to let go of all
• 2:10:19
  that stuff and I got to take the person at
• 2:10:21
  face value.
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but this is a you're talking about introspection and
• 2:10:24
  he doesn't have that. That's not him. He does when
• 2:10:26
  confronted and he'll he'll apologize like that's his whole thing.
• 2:10:30
  Are we good? We're good? And then you hug it
• 2:10:31
  out with people. He also lies, Like one of the
• 2:10:35
  things he lied about is he did a podcast with
• 2:10:38
  Howie Mandel, and Howie Mandel asked him if he had
• 2:10:41
  problems with comedians, like, no, I don't have any problems
• 2:10:44
  with any comedians. I've never had any problems comedians. Like,
• 2:10:45
  what are you talking about? He said, A problem with
• 2:10:47
  every single comedian that's more successful than him, Bill Burr,
• 2:10:51
  Louis c K, Dave Chappelle, Me, Tony Hinchcliff, everybody that
• 2:10:56
  passes him all of a sudden, and he talks about
• 2:10:58
  them on stage. And the thing really drove me nuts
• 2:11:01
  because that sent THEO into a real spiral. It yeah, yeah,
• 2:11:05
  well THEO went into a spiral and that was a
• 2:11:08
  big part of him getting attacked was Maren talking about
• 2:11:11
  him on a special, saying that he'd have Hitler on
• 2:11:13
  his podcast. Well, why is he saying that? Does he
• 2:11:16
  think that's true? Does he think it's Does you think
• 2:11:17
  that THEO has anybody on his fucking show, including Bernie
• 2:11:23
  Sands talk to learn, He'll talk to people, and you
• 2:11:27
  know he will talk to anybody on his podcast. That's
• 2:11:29
  not what the thing is. The thing is that Maren's podcast,
• 2:11:33
  which was number one. Isn't even in the top one
• 2:11:36
  hundred anymore. I don't even think it's in the top
• 2:11:39
  two hundred. It went away, and it went away not
• 2:11:43
  because he did anything. He didn't get arrested, there was
• 2:11:46
  no scandal. People just stopped being interested in it. And
• 2:11:50
  I think that hurts the most, and why.
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 3: Did they stop being interested?
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 2: It's not good. It appears a part of it, like
• 2:11:56
  the conversations that he has are fine, but the beginning
• 2:11:59
  of the podcast is he's like self indulgent rants about
• 2:12:04
  life and him doing things. And there's a thread dedicated
• 2:12:08
  on like Reddit where people fast forward to the time,
• 2:12:12
  like they give you the time stamp of when he's
• 2:12:14
  done ranting, so you could just get to the interview
• 2:12:17
  because nobody wants to hear it, like it's like it's
• 2:12:20
  an inside yeah joke, but it just that's the reality
• 2:12:27
  is it's like THEO pasted him, like rocketed past him,
• 2:12:31
  and now he has like the number two or number
• 2:12:33
  three podcasts in the world.
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 3: Sometimes there's there's a thing that people do when you're
• 2:12:37
  older where you say that person passed me, and then
• 2:12:39
  you criticize the culture that got them pasted it.
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 2: Right, Well, the things, but the things that Maren never
• 2:12:45
  developed an audience for his comedy, and he always felt
• 2:12:47
  like he deserved it, and that's what drove him the
• 2:12:49
  most nuts. He always felt like he deserved it. But
• 2:12:53
  it's like, you deserve what you get. You know what.
• 2:12:55
  He has a record for one of those ticket things,
• 2:12:59
  what it's ticket Master or whatever, one number one for
• 2:13:02
  selling single seats.
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 3: That's interesting. Oh, that's really interesting. So people with no friends,
• 2:13:09
  that's interesting.
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Really fuck sad people, Sad people that identify the
• 2:13:14
  way he behaves in I.
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 3: Always look at it this way, like, I you know, somebody,
• 2:13:18
  we were doing this thing and Ryan Reynolds people talking
• 2:13:21
  about how he gets hater, he gets criticized, and I
• 2:13:23
  was like, look, man, I don't know about that. I
• 2:13:26
  just know that I tried really really hard to be
• 2:13:28
  Ryan Reynolds.
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 2: I did.
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 3: I tried my hardest. I was an acting class. I
• 2:13:33
  went on every fucking audition. I got it. I did okay.
• 2:13:35
  I was on a couple of sitcoms and some movies
• 2:13:37
  and stuff, but for whatever reason, I didn't. I'm not
• 2:13:41
  Ryan Reynolds, you know why. I'm just probably in some
• 2:13:45
  ways hate to say it. I think I'm really good
• 2:13:47
  at comedy, but maybe I'm just not as good, or
• 2:13:49
  maybe just for whatever reason, I didn't do it, maybe
• 2:13:51
  he was smarter in this other area.
• 2:13:53
  Speaker 2: But either way, the real man there can only be
• 2:13:55
  like a couple of runs.
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 3: But I'm not gonna hate on because of it.
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 2: Thousands and thousands and thousands of people that are trying.
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 3: I tried hard man.
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 2: But see that's the difference between that and comedy. See
• 2:14:07
  comedy is it much more of America? Talker, much more
• 2:14:10
  of American very much. If you're funny, you can get
• 2:14:13
  an audience. And there's there's Jim Brewer's audience, and then
• 2:14:17
  there's Neck Bargazi's audience, and there's Kevin Hart's audience, and
• 2:14:21
  there everyone can. You can get an audience. Like you
• 2:14:23
  just have to put your work out there and people
• 2:14:25
  resonate with your work. And you might not like these guys.
• 2:14:29
  You might say this guy sucks or that guy sucks,
• 2:14:31
  and I like this guy. No, no, no, it's fine.
• 2:14:34
  You're allowed to have personal taste, just like there's personal
• 2:14:36
  taste in music that I don't like. But the proof
• 2:14:40
  is in the pudding. Do you people come to see you,
• 2:14:43
  do you put asses in seats they enjoy the time.
• 2:14:46
  Or is it an angry bomb where you're on stage
• 2:14:50
  ranting about other comedians. Well that's Maren and he does
• 2:14:54
  that all the time. Tim Dillon was just saying he
• 2:14:56
  was doing that in La the other day, just ranting
• 2:14:58
  about other comedians that are the the odd Comedy Festival,
• 2:15:02
  which is all, you know, like legitimate area of criticism
• 2:15:06
  if you can make it funny, like because you know,
• 2:15:09
  you're working for the Saudi government and they've definitely done
• 2:15:11
  some stuff that's fucking horrible. But the root of it
• 2:15:16
  all is not real. It's not that he cares so
• 2:15:20
  much that he wants everyone to do the right thing.
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 3: That's not it.
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 2: It's he's upset that all these people are getting attention.
• 2:15:26
  He's upset that all these it's very childish and but
• 2:15:29
  he'll make it look like, you know, he's the righteous side,
• 2:15:33
  the left, the progressive, he's the voice now and he's
• 2:15:36
  gonna fucking you know, we got work to do, We
• 2:15:38
  got to get these fascits out. No, it's it's but
• 2:15:41
  it's about him getting more attention. That's what it ultimately
• 2:15:44
  is all about. And that's unfortunate. And I'm not mad
• 2:15:48
  at him. And if I saw him and I talked
• 2:15:50
  to him, we were cool. I'd give him a hug.
• 2:15:52
  But he wants to pretend, right, But he wants to
• 2:15:55
  pretend that everybody else is bad and mean. And this
• 2:15:58
  is this is like the reason why they're successful or
• 2:16:01
  they're they're hacks, some dumb shit, like you know, you
• 2:16:07
  can stop making fun of trans people. They can't get healthcare.
• 2:16:10
  That's one of the things he said, Like, what are
• 2:16:11
  you talking about. They can't get healthcare. Healthcare is care
• 2:16:15
  that makes you healthy. The law that got passed was
• 2:16:18
  stopping chemical castration drugs and surgery for underage children that
• 2:16:25
  are confused and you know how many kids by the way,
• 2:16:28
  these these things that they call like hormoneers, but hold
• 2:16:34
  on hormone blockers, that's not what they originally were used for.
• 2:16:39
  We know that, like medicine can be used off label, right,
• 2:16:42
  And the idea of that initially was there was only like,
• 2:16:45
  you know, one hundred different kinds of medicine, and you
• 2:16:47
  could figure out what would work and you could prescribe
• 2:16:49
  it for different things and off label uses. The stuff
• 2:16:53
  that they're using that they're calling puberty blockers is the
• 2:16:57
  same drugs that they used to give to sex offenders
• 2:17:01
  for chemical castration. It's the same drugs. It's chemical castration drugs,
• 2:17:07
  and you're giving it to children. And then there's this
• 2:17:09
  narrative that it can be reversible.
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 3: No it's not.
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 2: No, you go through, you're gonna have a micro penis
• 2:17:14
  for the rest of your life. You can have fucked
• 2:17:16
  up vocal cords, you get your your whole body is
• 2:17:19
  going strokes. There's a lot of like weird fucking side effect.
• 2:17:24
  It's so evil to me, right, So his straw man
• 2:17:27
  is transgender people can't You should stop talking about it. Man.
• 2:17:31
  They can't get medical care. They can't get healthcare. You're
• 2:17:33
  happy like that has never been the case.
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 3: That's what you're saying. The problem is just trying to.
• 2:17:38
  Speaker 2: Get you to limit the amount of things that you're
• 2:17:40
  talking about that people want to hear. That's really what
• 2:17:43
  he's doing. It's like a really selfish, self oriented fucking thing.
• 2:17:48
  It's not righteous, that's what's the crazy thing about it.
• 2:17:51
  And people are gonna find that out. Man, They're gonna
• 2:17:54
  dig into you. They're gonna listen to the things you
• 2:17:57
  say and what the way you behave and the things
• 2:17:59
  you've told about saying, you know, like that the whole
• 2:18:02
  reason why everybody voted for Trump is because they wanted
• 2:18:04
  to say the word retard. That's a straw man, like
• 2:18:07
  it was a really funny bit. I get it. Okay,
• 2:18:09
  it's not that good a bit, but it's a straw man.
• 2:18:11
  That's not true. What everybody wanted was they realized there
• 2:18:14
  was a crazy thing happening where the border was wide open, right,
• 2:18:18
  and twenty million people got it in four years that
• 2:18:20
  weren't supposed to be here, right. But does that mean
• 2:18:23
  that you support everything that they're doing now? Or are
• 2:18:26
  they're kicking people out?
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 4: No?
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 2: No, this storming into the fucking home depot and arresting people, No, no,
• 2:18:32
  that's not cool either. The military in the street I
• 2:18:35
  think is a dangerous precedent. But also why are you
• 2:18:38
  allowing people to just riot on the streets and burn
• 2:18:41
  down buildings?
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 3: Like, yeah, why do you have to lock up toothpaste
• 2:18:44
  in Washington, DC? Toothpaste? You have to lock it up
• 2:18:46
  San Francisco is good.
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 2: No, It's like there's a balance to be had here
• 2:18:51
  and there's a conversation to be had, but it's not
• 2:18:54
  in straw Man arguments where you're saying that the only
• 2:18:57
  reason why people want is they wanted to say this.
• 2:19:00
  Comedians are just voting for fascism.
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 3: Now I want this is why with my podcast, like
• 2:19:04
  I was, I got to a point where I was
• 2:19:06
  having I was interviewing people, right, it was great. But
• 2:19:09
  the problem is I don't after a while for me
• 2:19:13
  like there are too many people like you who do
• 2:19:14
  it really well. I would love and I don't know
• 2:19:16
  if I'll be out. I think I talked to you
• 2:19:17
  about this just to get people on two different sides
• 2:19:21
  to have a discussion, just to find out, like just
• 2:19:24
  to kind of get to it. So, in other words,
• 2:19:27
  can we just try to approach this as solving a
• 2:19:29
  problem we don't like to.
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 2: Be the right to people.
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 3: It's hard to get him though, but that's really.
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 2: Hard to get him. But it also has to be
• 2:19:35
  two people that are actually just trying to state their points.
• 2:19:38
  You know. It's a really good example though recently Coleman
• 2:19:41
  Hughes had He's great, had Dave Smith on his podcast,
• 2:19:46
  very good conversation, super balanced, intelligent, calm level, especially from Coleman.
• 2:19:53
  Coleman's so good. He's a killer, He's so good, and
• 2:19:56
  it was, you know, one of the rare times where
• 2:19:58
  I think Dave was kind of oft in certain situations.
• 2:20:01
  It's great, Dave probably looks great, you know, it's great.
• 2:20:05
  I mean, had a very interesting point about the Wesley
• 2:20:08
  Clark thing. You see that I did. Yeah, but like
• 2:20:10
  he never saw the memo. He was told what was
• 2:20:12
  in the memo. He's like, you understand that if you're
• 2:20:14
  running a history book, that wouldn't even be you couldn't
• 2:20:17
  even put that in the book.
• 2:20:18
  Speaker 3: Which is it was accurate. It's absolutely accurate.
• 2:20:21
  Speaker 2: It's accurate. It doesn't mean that they didn't actually do
• 2:20:23
  that though, and it seems like that's that is exactly
• 2:20:25
  what happened, which is like kind of convenient.
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 3: Well he addressed that too, but I know what you're saying.
• 2:20:30
  It's like again, but it's.
• 2:20:32
  Speaker 2: Also like a brilliant debate. Yes, and never never learned
• 2:20:36
  you learned things from that You're not gonna see Mark
• 2:20:38
  Mariny one of those.
• 2:20:40
  Speaker 3: And that's the bummer. It's like, if you if you
• 2:20:42
  have these ideas you're standing on and you're vocal with them,
• 2:20:45
  right then you should be willing to put them on
• 2:20:49
  the table and see how they war against another idea.
• 2:20:53
  Speaker 2: And pain the other person's perspective. The problem is, like
• 2:20:57
  Dave has been saying it one way for the long time,
• 2:21:01
  and when Coleman said that, I think the correct response
• 2:21:04
  is that is true. Yeah, you got a really good point.
• 2:21:07
  Speaker 3: You won.
• 2:21:07
  Speaker 2: However, you didn't really win because they did do exactly
• 2:21:11
  what was in that memo. I mean they did over
• 2:21:14
  to so every single country except Iran.
• 2:21:16
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, because he said, in fact, we did
• 2:21:19
  it with a number of other regimes. But there were
• 2:21:20
  I think three or four countries in that memo that
• 2:21:22
  they we haven't done that with.
• 2:21:24
  Speaker 2: Right, but they've been going after those specifically, and those
• 2:21:28
  a lot of them did get topples. But it's also yeah,
• 2:21:31
  and it is interesting that that is a strategy that
• 2:21:34
  the United States employees and that we do topple regimes,
• 2:21:37
  and that we you know we do. We have in
• 2:21:39
  the past, we have been involved in that, and to
• 2:21:41
  deny that, I think it's kind of crazy, right, And
• 2:21:44
  we also really do a good job of taking advantage
• 2:21:47
  of opportunities. And when nine to eleven happened, that's when
• 2:21:50
  they passed through the Patriot Act, Like that's when they started.
• 2:21:53
  Speaker 3: Taking us the birth of the surveillance state, sir. Exactly,
• 2:21:55
  they know they know everything about you. I talk about
• 2:21:57
  this and specialists like they know a woman's pregnant based
• 2:22:00
  on her migratory shopping patterns their interest. Okay, so they
• 2:22:03
  can based on your migratory shopping pattern, they can pick
• 2:22:07
  up that you're that you are with child, and you
• 2:22:11
  don't before she knows it, before she knows it.
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 3: Okay, that's what's crazy. They they have cameras with full
• 2:22:17
  gate recognition, so the way your gate changes how you
• 2:22:22
  walk is in the cloud there that is a signature
• 2:22:25
  for you. Okay, forget your biometrics, cover your face all
• 2:22:28
  you want. They have cameras that can pick up how
• 2:22:32
  you walk. The mathematics of how you walk is just
• 2:22:34
  like your fingerprint. They also have a laser that can
• 2:22:36
  shoot in your heart into your body and pick up
• 2:22:39
  your heart signature.
• 2:22:40
  Speaker 2: Sir.
• 2:22:41
  Speaker 3: So good luck hiding from the state. It's here and
• 2:22:45
  that's it. You're privacy.
• 2:22:47
  Speaker 2: One of the things that they were saying when it
• 2:22:49
  came to the abortion debate that I thought was very
• 2:22:53
  interesting that I hadn't considered, is that they were they
• 2:22:57
  were talking about prosecuting women that left a state where
• 2:23:02
  abortion was illegal and went to a state where it
• 2:23:05
  was legal and then returned, and that they were going
• 2:23:08
  to do this based on apps. So women have apps
• 2:23:11
  where they track their ovulation, and that they could get
• 2:23:14
  the data from these apps and then fund It's outrageous.
• 2:23:18
  And it's also that's where it gets really creepy because
• 2:23:21
  it's a lot of Christian fundamentalists. Well, it actually hinge
• 2:23:25
  becomes of religion, It actually hinges on murder. Right, So
• 2:23:29
  if you if somebody came across state lines and murdered somebody,
• 2:23:32
  you could do that. That's that's absolutely legitimate.
• 2:23:34
  Speaker 3: When you define abortion as murder, Okay, then then that
• 2:23:38
  is there is a there are strong legal grounds to
• 2:23:42
  establish that precedent.
• 2:23:44
  Speaker 2: Sure, but your area are not supposed to be prosecuting, say,
• 2:23:47
  if you're in Texas, you're not supposed to be prosecuting
• 2:23:50
  someone for the actions that they did in Oklahoma. That's
• 2:23:52
  it's murder.
• 2:23:52
  Speaker 3: That's a federal crime.
• 2:23:53
  Speaker 2: Okay. So they if they approach it that way, yes, yeah,
• 2:23:57
  so you you.
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 3: Certainly were republic but and and so there are statutory laws,
• 2:24:02
  but they do not supersede in many cases federal law.
• 2:24:05
  If it's something like murder that's a capital crime.
• 2:24:08
  Speaker 2: The problem is you're getting giving men the ability to
• 2:24:10
  track women's behavior in a way that I think it's
• 2:24:13
  a huge problem, very fucking creepy. Also, when there's a
• 2:24:16
  significant portion of this country that believes women should have
• 2:24:18
  access to abortions and for you to say no and
• 2:24:22
  it's their body, that that gets slippery is where we
• 2:24:26
  get into. It gets real slippery, and that gets into
• 2:24:29
  more of a libertarian area, you know where. I think
• 2:24:32
  that's probably where I land a lot of the time.
• 2:24:36
  Speaker 3: Now you're sounding like a leftist slash libertarians.
• 2:24:40
  Speaker 2: So well, right, I'm very labling when it comes to
• 2:24:42
  live and let live and accepting people for whatever it is,
• 2:24:46
  whether they're gay or whether from another country. Like I'm
• 2:24:49
  open to everybody. I want you to just be cool,
• 2:24:51
  be nice and be cool and try to do a
• 2:24:54
  good thing with your life and enjoy yourself and harm others.
• 2:24:57
  Speaker 3: When you're running, when you're when you're so when you
• 2:25:00
  have policy, the problem is we get into the weeds.
• 2:25:02
  Technology creates problems that are major because typically I think
• 2:25:07
  with Roe v. Wade, the abortion was legal until the
• 2:25:11
  fetus was viable on its own Okay, So once the
• 2:25:14
  fetus was if it could be the cutoff, the thing
• 2:25:17
  was without the mother. If it needs the mother, then
• 2:25:20
  it's still you can still a part of the month.
• 2:25:23
  Speaker 2: Now if the.
• 2:25:23
  Speaker 3: Baby's eight months, No, but what happens when technology can
• 2:25:31
  keep a six week fetus alive and bring it to term?
• 2:25:36
  Now you're dealing with Now you can't make the argument,
• 2:25:40
  but it will be Technology is good. So now now
• 2:25:43
  the problem becomes, now what are you doing?
• 2:25:46
  Speaker 2: Now?
• 2:25:46
  Speaker 3: We have to redefine. So the people who believe in
• 2:25:49
  abortion or a woman's right to choose have to redefine
• 2:25:52
  what it is. And the only way to get around
• 2:25:54
  that is to say that that a woman can make
• 2:25:58
  that choice until the baby is born. And that's where
• 2:26:00
  you get. Politicians say you believe that babies should be
• 2:26:03
  killed up until they're about up until a woman's crowning,
• 2:26:06
  and we get into this whole thing, and then you know, yeah, well.
• 2:26:10
  Speaker 2: It also is a uniquely human issue and that it
• 2:26:13
  does get blurry. Like as much as I say I am,
• 2:26:19
  I think a woman it's her choice, especially at early stages.
• 2:26:24
  You know, if someone is pregnant for four weeks, that's
• 2:26:26
  your choice. I don't think anybody should be stepping in. However,
• 2:26:31
  everybody with any kind of a heart or an everybody
• 2:26:35
  loves babies. When you get to like eight months or
• 2:26:38
  seven months, you're like, whoa, that is a full on baby?
• 2:26:42
  Which is And then when you see what they do
• 2:26:45
  when they do have late term abortions, you could see
• 2:26:47
  the body parts like I don't know if you've ever
• 2:26:49
  seen it, Unfortunately I can't watch. I've watched some of
• 2:26:52
  those videos. And then you've also seen people who were
• 2:26:56
  working for Planned Parenthood who are colloss talking about sorting
• 2:27:01
  through these parts.
• 2:27:03
  Speaker 3: I guess you have to be that way, don't you.
• 2:27:06
  There's no other way, I guess.
• 2:27:07
  Speaker 2: But there's some of those Project Veritas type videos where
• 2:27:10
  you know people are behind the scenes Darknessman, it's so dark.
• 2:27:15
  But they don't think there's anything wrong because they think
• 2:27:19
  that abortion should be legal and abortion is a leftist
• 2:27:22
  position and a woman should have a right to choose.
• 2:27:24
  So in their mind, this is what's happening, and like
• 2:27:26
  here's a leg and here's a heart, and here's this
• 2:27:29
  is where ideology.
• 2:27:30
  Speaker 3: You have to be super inflexible, right, you got to
• 2:27:33
  be like, well, this is what I believe. No matter what,
• 2:27:35
  and I can't live that way now.
• 2:27:37
  Speaker 2: Fuck, that can't be if you're not grossed out by
• 2:27:39
  a little baby hand that just got sucked out of
• 2:27:41
  a woman's vagina with a vacuum cleaner, that's kind of crazy.
• 2:27:44
  Speaker 3: Bob Geldof said something that was so interesting. You remember
• 2:27:47
  Bob Geldof shor We are the World, and he was
• 2:27:50
  talking about Gaza, right, and you can get into a
• 2:27:53
  really you can get into a debate about Gaza. I
• 2:27:55
  don't I leave that shit alone because I'm not going
• 2:27:56
  to get into that because you can talk about Israel
• 2:27:59
  turning in the surface of the moon. There's plenty of
• 2:28:02
  criticism in that direction. You can talk about what they
• 2:28:04
  did in October seventh and all that stuff. But he
• 2:28:07
  said something wild. He said, look, there are a lot
• 2:28:10
  of kids who are starving or at least malnourished, are
• 2:28:13
  really hungry, whatever it might be. And he said something,
• 2:28:16
  He asked a question I thought was great, you get
• 2:28:18
  into the debate. He said, but hey, who are we
• 2:28:22
  as human beings? As people? Who are we like There's
• 2:28:25
  got to be something we can do. There's got to
• 2:28:27
  be something we can do, whether it's Israel, whether it's
• 2:28:29
  Palestinians to at least get that kid fed, at least
• 2:28:33
  to stop that kind of stuff, and that I think
• 2:28:36
  sometimes there's a question to ask. You've got to throw
• 2:28:38
  all your ideology out of the window. You gotta throw
• 2:28:40
  all your politics out the window and go hold on.
• 2:28:42
  This is called the stop everything button. I'm gonna push
• 2:28:45
  it right now. I'm just going to stop everything, and
• 2:28:47
  we got to stop and make sure those kids are fed.
• 2:28:50
  Speaker 2: Lass. Your ideology has gotten so dark that you think
• 2:28:53
  of those kids as an other. You don't think of
• 2:28:56
  those kids as kids. Those kids are orcs.
• 2:28:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what the don To always says that the
• 2:29:02
  seeing nothing no other is is the way ultimately realizing
• 2:29:07
  that you and that person back to what you said
• 2:29:10
  you'd be that person to under those circumstances.
• 2:29:13
  Speaker 2: And then there's a cold hard reality of environment and culture. Right.
• 2:29:17
  If you grow up in this radical.
• 2:29:22
  Speaker 3: Let's not get it twisted. It doesn't mean you're an
• 2:29:24
  intellectual and say everything is everything. Okay, we're not being
• 2:29:27
  relative is here.
• 2:29:27
  Speaker 2: What I'm saying is, if you live in a part
• 2:29:29
  of the world that's fucked, you're going you're going to be.
• 2:29:32
  Speaker 3: Four, which is then we have to go hold on,
• 2:29:34
  there is a there is a better way, and there
• 2:29:37
  is a bad. There's a worse way when you lose
• 2:29:40
  that side of that, like, there's there is a better way,
• 2:29:43
  there's good, there's evil, there's better, there's worse, And that
• 2:29:47
  takes some time to understand the meaningful difference.
• 2:29:49
  Speaker 2: Have you ever talked to Evan ay For about his
• 2:29:51
  time in Afghanistan? Yes, some of the things that he
• 2:29:54
  told me, the things that he saw and the things
• 2:29:56
  that he like personally witnessed. Yes, he's like, you really
• 2:29:59
  get this feeling like he just just can't. Yeah, can't.
• 2:30:03
  You can't deal with this Like and this is my
• 2:30:05
  thought on that, It's like, I wonder if that's what
• 2:30:08
  life was like all over the world thousands and thousands
• 2:30:12
  of years ago. I wonder if like kind, nice people
• 2:30:15
  were like an aberration and if most of the war
• 2:30:18
  like we're seeing in places like Afghanistan, these warlord driven
• 2:30:23
  mountain communities of people that are like I wonder if
• 2:30:27
  that's like how most of human history was.
• 2:30:29
  Speaker 3: I believe it was. I believe it was because you
• 2:30:31
  had you had that. Darryl Cooper said the greatest thing
• 2:30:34
  about the Middle East conflict. He said, it's a part
• 2:30:36
  of the world where people have to give up who
• 2:30:37
  they could be for who they have to be. And
• 2:30:40
  that's a beautiful way to put it, because because that
• 2:30:42
  is that is, that is what we are so man
• 2:30:45
  as Americans, especially a certain kind of American, we're so
• 2:30:49
  lucky because I get to be who I get to
• 2:30:51
  try to be who I want to be. I don't
• 2:30:55
  have to settle for who I have to be. I
• 2:30:57
  don't have to watch my kids go hungry and and
• 2:31:00
  do some bad shit because my kids couldn't get water.
• 2:31:03
  I'm gonna be slitting some throats. But I never had
• 2:31:05
  to face that stuff. I never had to embrace the
• 2:31:07
  angels of my darker nature just to survive. And it's
• 2:31:10
  a luxury, man.
• 2:31:11
  Speaker 2: And you also never had to like those people never
• 2:31:15
  get to stray from that path because they're in that
• 2:31:18
  path from the time they're a child. And if they
• 2:31:19
  make it to be thirty and they're living like that,
• 2:31:21
  it's a miracle.
• 2:31:21
  Speaker 3: If you lose an election in a lot of countries,
• 2:31:23
  you die. You don't live to another see another day.
• 2:31:26
  Speaker 2: How about Mexico, we were talking about the amount of
• 2:31:28
  assassinations in Mexico. I had called ron On and explained
• 2:31:32
  it to it. He was like, they're all working for
• 2:31:34
  the cartel. That's what it is. It's cartel on cartel violence.
• 2:31:37
  Speaker 3: That is so crazy.
• 2:31:38
  Speaker 2: And it's like why is that? Because drugs are illegal
• 2:31:41
  and so only the outlaws all the drugs and we
• 2:31:43
  are the ones who buy it, and so we prop
• 2:31:46
  up this fucking illegal market that's right next door.
• 2:31:49
  Speaker 3: We're the biggest market in the world for that stuff,
• 2:31:50
  I know.
• 2:31:51
  Speaker 2: And it's just it's that's another human problem, Like, so
• 2:31:54
  what do you do? Do you make everything legal, because
• 2:31:56
  then you're gonna have drug addiction and you're gonna have
• 2:31:59
  all sorts of problem and people go to overdose that
• 2:32:01
  probably wouldn't But is that better than like allowing people
• 2:32:04
  to overdose accidentally unfentanyl because they just wanted to bump
• 2:32:07
  of coke.
• 2:32:08
  Speaker 3: You can stack bodies, that's one way to do it.
• 2:32:10
  You can actually, like he was saying, treat it like
• 2:32:12
  an insurgency and stack bodies like we did with isis
• 2:32:16
  we solved that isis problem? Nobody who ever talks about
• 2:32:18
  that We solve that isis probably six fucking months. Yeah,
• 2:32:22
  well that Trump said, I'll tell you what you guys
• 2:32:25
  let's take the gloves off and just go to work,
• 2:32:27
  and we stacked bodies and that kind of went away
• 2:32:31
  in six months. It is if you want to get
• 2:32:33
  really ugly, there's one aspect of it. You can do that,
• 2:32:36
  and I believe that's possible. And the reason I believe
• 2:32:38
  it's possible for some countries like the United States, is
• 2:32:41
  because we've done it and that'd be pretty ugly. Or
• 2:32:45
  the other thing is to maybe look into legalizing or
• 2:32:50
  taking the profit out of that kind of behavior. That's
• 2:32:53
  the second thing. The third thing you could do you
• 2:32:56
  could do is you could actually go to the cartels,
• 2:32:59
  which is controversial, but I know it was on the
• 2:33:01
  table and cut a deal, which is tell you what, guys,
• 2:33:05
  tell us where all the fentanyl is, all the fentel
• 2:33:07
  factories in this country in New Mexico, no fenel, no
• 2:33:10
  human trafficking. But you can sell let's say, marijuana and cocaine.
• 2:33:14
  How's that sound You heard about that too? Yeah?
• 2:33:16
  Speaker 2: Now i'd heard that involved like a financial exchange.
• 2:33:19
  Speaker 3: Sure, and yes, that's right, and also pay us some reparations.
• 2:33:23
  So here's here's I don't know, five billion dollars today,
• 2:33:25
  We'll give you five billion dollars in about five years,
• 2:33:28
  which is crazy. Listen, listen, it's a deal, right, right,
• 2:33:31
  these are business people.
• 2:33:33
  Speaker 2: But do you really think that they would honor that deal?
• 2:33:35
  But that then essentially you're opening up the door to well,
• 2:33:38
  they're just a pharmacy. Now, they're a pharmacy for illegal
• 2:33:41
  drugs that we can't stop from coming in. So at
• 2:33:43
  one point in time, should we just accept the fact
• 2:33:47
  that people want to buy drugs and sell drugs? Because look,
• 2:33:50
  if cocaine was pure, how many people would be just
• 2:33:52
  doing a bump every now and then on a Saturday night.
• 2:33:54
  Speaker 3: I can't sustain it. If you want to do blow.
• 2:33:57
  Nobody did a bunch of blow. Nobody had a lot
• 2:33:59
  of problemt But here's and it got better than that.
• 2:34:01
  Speaker 2: The problem that's a bunch of blow. Some people don't
• 2:34:04
  do a bunch of blow, but they'll occasionally do blow.
• 2:34:07
  But no, no, no, that's not what I'm saying. Some
• 2:34:09
  people can just party on the weekend. Right, we don't
• 2:34:12
  think that's the case because we think everyone's a crackhead.
• 2:34:15
  Everyone just loses their whole life. Like we don't even
• 2:34:18
  know because it's illegal, right, we don't know how Like
• 2:34:21
  this doctor Carlhart's position. You know, doctor Carl, others.
• 2:34:24
  Speaker 3: People can actually use drugs recreationally and be fine. That's
• 2:34:27
  him and he's the individual responsibility. They're adults, Columbia. And
• 2:34:32
  he's like, the problem is this propaganda about what drugs are.
• 2:34:35
  He's the heroin guy.
• 2:34:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he tries heroin. He don't do it that way. Sorry, dude.
• 2:34:40
  He can't say he's the hero but he's brilliant and
• 2:34:45
  he's a very interesting guy. When he talks about it,
• 2:34:47
  You're like, you're getting the perspective of a very educated
• 2:34:51
  person who was a complete clean, sober person until he
• 2:34:58
  became a clinical researcher. And then as he's researching these
• 2:35:02
  drugs and doing like actual scholarly work, he realizes like, oh,
• 2:35:07
  they don't this is not real at all. This propaganda's nonsense.
• 2:35:11
  Like the heroin addiction thing. He's like, it's like the flu.
• 2:35:14
  It's like you just you feel like shit for a
• 2:35:16
  couple of days, then you get over and you're fine.
• 2:35:18
  Speaker 3: It's like, it's not well, he's I mean, you're right
• 2:35:21
  that most most people use drugs recreationally and it doesn't
• 2:35:24
  move in their life. So again I I I subscribe
• 2:35:29
  to that idea like, let let people do. They're gonna
• 2:35:33
  do it anyway, by right, they're gonna smoke, we they're
• 2:35:35
  gonna do blow. They're gonna do that shit.
• 2:35:36
  Speaker 2: But it was woulded. This is my position. I think yes,
• 2:35:40
  But if they did make it legal where you can
• 2:35:42
  go to CVS and buy heroin or go to CVS
• 2:35:45
  and buy cocaine, you're gonna get a lot more people
• 2:35:47
  that buy it and try it because it's now legal.
• 2:35:50
  You know, so you're get a lot more drug use
• 2:35:52
  initially because our culture is fucked up. Our culture is
• 2:35:57
  like designed to accept legal things a very detrimental like alcohol,
• 2:36:01
  which is hugely geni one of the worst ones, bigger
• 2:36:04
  than cocaine. Yeah, well that's all. That's one of the
• 2:36:06
  things that Hunter Biden said. You ever hear hear Hunting
• 2:36:08
  and Ryden talk about crack, No, it makes you want
• 2:36:10
  to try crack. It's amazing. He did this interview with
• 2:36:13
  what is that guy's name, Andrew Callian, and he did
• 2:36:18
  this whole thing where he described how amazing crack is.
• 2:36:21
  I swear to god, it makes you want to try crack. Yeah,
• 2:36:23
  but you know, he asked him, you think crack is
• 2:36:25
  safer than alcohol. It's like, yeah, probably, yeah, it's probably safer,
• 2:36:29
  and it probably well.
• 2:36:29
  Speaker 3: First of all, crack is devastating quickly, like you'll wake
• 2:36:32
  up in three years and have no house and be
• 2:36:34
  on the street. Alcohol you can be an alcoholic for
• 2:36:36
  forty years before you realize, holy fuck, I got nothing
• 2:36:38
  going on.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah that's true.
• 2:36:40
  Speaker 3: So I again, I mean, I think that the idea
• 2:36:44
  is you can legalize it. There's a lot of money
• 2:36:46
  enforcement and uh, you know, or you can stock bodies.
• 2:36:51
  Speaker 2: Well, in the Battle Make a Day, people used to
• 2:36:53
  snort cocaine and if you took the freebasing, you had
• 2:36:56
  a real problem. Like that was Richard Pryor. Richard Pryor
• 2:36:59
  was fine until he started.
• 2:37:01
  Speaker 3: Most of us are gonna go prebasing his crack, but
• 2:37:04
  most of us would like most of us are busy, right,
• 2:37:07
  Like you're gonna have people that are gonna fuck their
• 2:37:08
  lives up, just like they do with alcohol and everything
• 2:37:10
  else and cocaine and crack. But most of us, even
• 2:37:13
  if it's exactly but if it's around, we'll navigate it
• 2:37:17
  exactly how we're gonna navigate social media.
• 2:37:20
  Speaker 2: Exactly how we navigate alcohol.
• 2:37:21
  Speaker 3: Right at least you're starting, you're gonna start to see
• 2:37:24
  people are going to start to realize they're being gamed
• 2:37:27
  by bots. By the most extreme examples, your algorithm is
• 2:37:31
  lying to you. So pretty soon what happens you say
• 2:37:33
  things like I'm not gonna fuck. I'm not I'm gonna
• 2:37:35
  get off social media.
• 2:37:36
  Speaker 2: I don't listen. It's like ten years before they figure
• 2:37:38
  that out there.
• 2:37:39
  Speaker 3: Right, Okay, but it takes a while and then we'll
• 2:37:41
  have another problem. But I I just think every time
• 2:37:44
  you try to uh fucking or just make the world, yeah,
• 2:37:49
  make the world, fix the world with force, right, and
• 2:37:53
  get better, It's kind of like squeezing a balloon. The
• 2:37:56
  gas is the air is going to go on another
• 2:37:58
  part of the balloon. As I get older, I'm like,
• 2:37:59
  I don't know, man, there might be a much easier
• 2:38:01
  way to do this shit.
• 2:38:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, personal responsibility is huge, but also counseling, Like
• 2:38:06
  if you're going to allow drugs that you do, would
• 2:38:08
  have to be a whole support system set up to
• 2:38:11
  help people with addiction. But then also this should bring
• 2:38:13
  in ibogain. I mean what they're doing with ibogain in Texas,
• 2:38:16
  with veterans and with people that are drug addicts, They've
• 2:38:19
  had tremendous results. It stops your addiction dead in its
• 2:38:22
  tracksy right, With one session, eighty percent of the people
• 2:38:26
  never never return, and with two sessions, ninety plus percent
• 2:38:29
  of the people never return. Alcohol to anything, to heroin, alcohol, cigarettes, gambling,
• 2:38:35
  whatever it is, whatever you're hooked on.
• 2:38:37
  Speaker 3: Doesn't zempic work for that shit too?
• 2:38:39
  Speaker 2: Zempic seems to have some sort of an effect on
• 2:38:41
  that as well. Yeah, yeah, as some sort of craving
• 2:38:44
  your addictions. Yeah, because it's like it stops appetite. So
• 2:38:48
  I wonder if it stops like an appetite for like
• 2:38:50
  wild shit too. Yeah, come on, Seve, Yeah, like people
• 2:38:54
  that are gambling addicts. Yeah, apparently it helps. I think
• 2:38:56
  that the peptize and all that shit technology is going
• 2:38:59
  to make it that we can figure out a way
• 2:39:01
  to control a lot of that ship. I think so too. Yeah,
• 2:39:04
  I think they'll They have very good drugs.
• 2:39:06
  Speaker 3: For alcohol, very good drugs. You can take a drug
• 2:39:09
  for alcohol. The problem is it's not the alcohol. The
• 2:39:11
  problem is when you take away somebody's addiction like alcohol.
• 2:39:14
  Speaker 2: Then they still have for something.
• 2:39:15
  Speaker 3: But no, but it's also like you hold all the
• 2:39:17
  fun of your life. Do you know that when you
• 2:39:20
  get up, when people get gastric bypass and and they
• 2:39:24
  they stop eating, suicides go up for them because eating
• 2:39:27
  was how they fucking dealt with all their problems. Like again,
• 2:39:33
  you're you're you're taking away the addiction, but you're not
• 2:39:36
  getting to the source because you've got to be able
• 2:39:38
  to replace that ship.
• 2:39:39
  Speaker 2: You got to m a triathlete like that lady, which.
• 2:39:41
  Speaker 3: Is why you got to go to church. I'm a
• 2:39:45
  man of God a church now do you Yeah?
• 2:39:49
  Speaker 2: In church? Manytimes? I like it.
• 2:39:50
  Speaker 3: I gotta I go to Red Rocks.
• 2:39:51
  Speaker 2: Don't tell people where you go. Sorry, you're gonna come
• 2:39:53
  see you hang out that famous right behind you. Maybe
• 2:39:57
  you start Bible if you're on the right page.
• 2:39:59
  Speaker 3: This is this is my fame. People go, you know
• 2:40:00
  Joe Rogan, can you get this thing to him? I
• 2:40:03
  got a deal.
• 2:40:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to sell shoelaces.
• 2:40:07
  Speaker 3: I don't even do.
• 2:40:07
  Speaker 2: I don't.
• 2:40:08
  Speaker 3: I love that. Sometimes people have just come up with
• 2:40:10
  like today, great idea. It's like, you know, it's a
• 2:40:13
  good thing, and you were like, I'm just not interested.
• 2:40:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't want to be in business with anybody. No,
• 2:40:19
  it's not fun. I've tried it. Yeah, it's not a
• 2:40:22
  good time.
• 2:40:22
  Speaker 3: I do have I do have a business proposal. Yeah
• 2:40:25
  with you, I have an idea.
• 2:40:27
  Speaker 2: I'm sure you do.
• 2:40:28
  Speaker 3: I have one idea.
• 2:40:29
  Speaker 2: I'm busy.
• 2:40:29
  Speaker 3: I've brought you. I've brought I brought two ideas to you.
• 2:40:32
  Speaker 2: They all suck. Tell Everybody's special.
• 2:40:39
  Speaker 3: My special special false Gods. The mother Ship. I'm very
• 2:40:45
  proud of it. I think it's going to be great.
• 2:40:46
  Speaker 2: Who for you? Uh?
• 2:40:49
  Speaker 3: Dana? Who's Sam Tripley's a lady, Dana so much and
• 2:40:53
  she's that's the second thing she did. She did man
• 2:40:55
  tears and this is I'm dropping this tomorrow, beautiful, and
• 2:40:58
  this will air tomorrow.
• 2:41:00
  Speaker 2: Today. So what is listening? Oh, shits today. If you're listening,
• 2:41:04
  it'll be tomorrow, but October fifteenth, exclusively on YouTube.
• 2:41:09
  Speaker 3: That's a fucking hum. Now I'm back to square one.
• 2:41:11
  I'm gonna shoot my next one at the mother Ship.
• 2:41:13
  I'll see you tonight, but I say I'll.
• 2:41:15
  Speaker 2: Be there tonight.
• 2:41:16
  Speaker 3: I'll be there too. Thank you for the time, my pleasure.
• 2:41:18
  Speaker 2: My brother is always good to hang out.
• 2:41:19
  Speaker 3: Oh hey, and come see every wend other Wednesday at
• 2:41:22
  Brian Redman's club. Uh sunset strip. We do acting off
• 2:41:27
  do you know about my show?
• 2:41:28
  Speaker 2: Oh no, what's that?
• 2:41:28
  Speaker 3: Oh dude, I take I take all the all the
• 2:41:31
  comics in Austin and we see who the best actor is.
• 2:41:33
  So you've got to like do things like die in
• 2:41:35
  slow motion? Who does that the best? Or redo the
• 2:41:38
  scene from the notebook as ms Piggy and Donald Trump
• 2:41:41
  is fucking hilarious. Peyton Ruddy is a fucking killer in it.
• 2:41:44
  Speaker 2: That's great, dude.
• 2:41:45
  Speaker 3: That's It's been so amazing and we haven't promoted it,
• 2:41:48
  but I'm starting to promote it now because we're gamifying it.
• 2:41:50
  We have teams and see who can do the best,
• 2:41:52
  like you know, interpretation, we have we have up close acting,
• 2:41:55
  so we have a camera on your face.
• 2:41:56
  Speaker 2: This is another thing that pisses me off about all
• 2:41:58
  these comics talking about the Austin scene. There's so many
• 2:42:00
  things going on here, this idea, there's so many clubs.
• 2:42:03
  People have like made this again this straw man, like
• 2:42:07
  you have to have an N word joke, and you
• 2:42:09
  have to have a trans joke like that. Fucking club
• 2:42:12
  is so diverse, incredibly diverse, but naturally yes, with no effort.
• 2:42:18
  It's all just funny.
• 2:42:19
  Speaker 3: Who's the funniest.
• 2:42:21
  Speaker 2: People are funny in all shapes and sizes, from all
• 2:42:25
  walks of life. Whatever struggle you've had, that manifests itself
• 2:42:28
  in humor. It exists. There's tons of people in that
• 2:42:31
  club that are gay. Most of the candidates capped, most
• 2:42:35
  of the comedians, by the way, are liberal. So that
• 2:42:37
  throws that out the window, this whole idea that it's
• 2:42:39
  some fucking right wing comedy club, Like, stop it. Most
• 2:42:44
  of the people there are liberal, correct, most of them correct.
• 2:42:48
  But it's just this walled garden thing when people are
• 2:42:50
  on the outside and the like. There wasn't there hasn't
• 2:42:52
  been a scene here before, right, And then you have
• 2:42:54
  the scrubs that were here, like they ruined the komedy scene.
• 2:42:57
  Like you guys had nothing. Shut up, stupid lazy hole.
• 2:43:03
  You had nothing. There was there was You didn't even
• 2:43:05
  have a comedy club. When I moved here, Cap City
• 2:43:09
  was closed. You know how I know because I was
• 2:43:10
  gonna buy it. I was looking. I went to look
• 2:43:13
  at the fucking place where Cap City used to be,
• 2:43:15
  and I was gonna purchase it. That's how I know
• 2:43:17
  it was under good club. Now that's the new one
• 2:43:20
  that's a different on. The old one was great too,
• 2:43:22
  which is like an event center now. But yeah, the
• 2:43:25
  new one is great.
• 2:43:26
  Speaker 3: But but there's a comedy Here's there are a lot
• 2:43:29
  of other clubs that are going that are really fine
• 2:43:31
  quaking a.
• 2:43:31
  Speaker 2: Cave because we made it so that. First of all,
• 2:43:34
  you've got a club that has two days of open
• 2:43:35
  mic nights, and you've got a real guy in Adam
• 2:43:39
  Egan who's a real talent coordinator that really helps the
• 2:43:42
  development of comedians. And he doesn't really like conscious, takes
• 2:43:45
  it very serious, takes it very seriously, and he's like
• 2:43:49
  he really loves comedy. He really wants to help people,
• 2:43:51
  and he gives great advice and he gets amazing.
• 2:43:53
  Speaker 3: Adam actually watches set, he sits in the audience and.
• 2:43:56
  Speaker 2: Watches his job very seriously. Believa. I mean that's why
• 2:43:59
  I brought him in. I mean, he and I were
• 2:44:01
  the founders of the Mothership. I mean it was like
• 2:44:04
  we did it together. I wouldn't have done it without him.
• 2:44:06
  I wouldn't have done it without him and without Carrie
• 2:44:08
  and a lot of the people that came from from
• 2:44:11
  the store. And this is a place that we're it's new,
• 2:44:17
  and so if you're on the outside and you're not in,
• 2:44:19
  you try to find some criticism. That's like, criticism is
• 2:44:22
  fine if you're telling the truth. But there's a bunch
• 2:44:24
  of people that are making things up because they're trying
• 2:44:26
  to attack something that they can't be a part of.
• 2:44:28
  That's and most of the reason you can't be a
• 2:44:30
  part of is because you're cut. You're a cut you're
• 2:44:34
  a cut person.
• 2:44:35
  Speaker 3: We have no cuts. A lot of money.
• 2:44:37
  Speaker 2: No, we try to limit it and we have you know,
• 2:44:39
  we've we've actually banned some cunts, you know, because people
• 2:44:43
  were shitty people. And like we're trying to have a
• 2:44:45
  real positive place where you can just get better at
• 2:44:48
  this art form. It's a love fest every time we
• 2:44:51
  go there. Everybody's having a good time, and you're gonna
• 2:44:53
  have people that have better experiences there and worse experiences there.
• 2:44:57
  One of the things, like someone was saying that she
• 2:44:59
  went to a com Many show and Justin Martindale went
• 2:45:02
  on and then the next guy who came on started
• 2:45:04
  saying all these slurs about him. Yeah, you know who
• 2:45:06
  The next guy was, Brian Holtzman. Okay, so if you
• 2:45:11
  know Brian Holtzman's act. It's a character he plays that's
• 2:45:14
  a complete maniac. And everyone he goes on. He went
• 2:45:19
  after Kim Condon the other night. Kim Condon has this
• 2:45:21
  great set, she's in the Little Boys, great set, very funny.
• 2:45:25
  He goes on and he goes an amazing watching women
• 2:45:28
  try to do things men do.
• 2:45:30
  Speaker 3: What are you doing?
• 2:45:31
  Speaker 2: Attention te in attitchen.
• 2:45:33
  Speaker 3: It's a character. He's the sweetest, He's the sweetest human being.
• 2:45:37
  Speaker 2: The sweetest human beings.
• 2:45:38
  Speaker 3: So he did this with Justin jo kid.
• 2:45:41
  Speaker 2: He fucking said, he like commented on it when this
• 2:45:45
  girl was talking about it. Yeah that happened, Like, yeah,
• 2:45:48
  that happened with Brian Holtsman, you fucking asshole. You know
• 2:45:50
  what he's doing. He does that with me, He does
• 2:45:53
  that with everybody, every single person he goes on after
• 2:45:56
  he shits on them to set the tone, and then
• 2:45:58
  he shits on everything. He ships on the tech guys
• 2:46:01
  walking around with the south By Southwest. He goes crazy.
• 2:46:05
  He's funny as shit too. He's a legend, Like, you
• 2:46:08
  know what he's doing this so that maybe this one
• 2:46:11
  comic didn't know, maybe no one told her, but she's
• 2:46:14
  like spreading all this ship that it's like this hateful environment.
• 2:46:18
  Speaker 6: It's not.
• 2:46:18
  Speaker 3: It's true.
• 2:46:20
  Speaker 2: I know you wish it was, because then it could
• 2:46:23
  suck and you're not a part of it.
• 2:46:24
  Speaker 3: Some see how many come, See how diverse the faces
• 2:46:26
  are in the fucking muggaship. It's the United Nations, dude, Yeah,
• 2:46:30
  it really is.
• 2:46:30
  Speaker 2: It really is.
• 2:46:31
  Speaker 3: And including because of Tony. There are a lot of
• 2:46:34
  people who are who are disabled, who would never have
• 2:46:38
  a fucking stage. But because they did some ship on
• 2:46:41
  kill Tony, Tony like you know, facilitated the fact that
• 2:46:46
  they have a place to perform every single fucking night
• 2:46:48
  and a community. And then, by the way, they've earned it.
• 2:46:50
  I'm not saying they haven't.
• 2:46:51
  Speaker 2: Yes, and kill Tony. They have a very unique pathway
• 2:46:55
  where if they can really bang out a solid minute
• 2:46:58
  and kill so they can have a career. Yeah, you
• 2:47:01
  can have a career.
• 2:47:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And then timm me no breaks. He does acting
• 2:47:04
  off by the way, Oh I'm sorry, Timmy, dude, that
• 2:47:07
  dude is he'll just come up with ship out of
• 2:47:09
  him and Peyton running Will fucking and Danny Martinella. They'll
• 2:47:12
  hit you as ship and we're just.
• 2:47:14
  Speaker 2: Like, holy fuck. And that's Wednesday night at what time
• 2:47:17
  Wednesday night?
• 2:47:17
  Speaker 3: We do it at seven. We're doing it on October
• 2:47:20
  twenty second. Come see what we do. It's gamified, it's
• 2:47:23
  faere is.
• 2:47:24
  Speaker 2: The best place to find out when you guys are
• 2:47:26
  going to be there? Is it? The website?
• 2:47:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah? My comments yeahs for his website and and my website,
• 2:47:33
  but also my my Instagram stuff I post about it
• 2:47:35
  beautiful and Nick Collins and my buddy Nick Simmons. Who
• 2:47:38
  are my openers?
• 2:47:38
  Speaker 2: You know? Nick say yeh yeh. He's funny.
• 2:47:40
  Speaker 3: A ship's funny, very fucking great. We gotta get him in.
• 2:47:42
  We gotta get those Those guys are all auditioning too,
• 2:47:44
  they're going through the whole process. So it'sastic great. Guys.
• 2:47:46
  Speaker 2: All right, you're a false God's available on YouTube. Come
• 2:47:50
  see me all right, love you buy everybody