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Lori Vallow Murder Trial Round 2? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, already.
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Speaker 2: Convicted in the murder of her two children, Colt Mom
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Speaker 2: Lourie Valo Meg's headlines yet again just in time for
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Speaker 2: her second murder related trial. I'm Nancy Grace, this is
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Speaker 2: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. That's right,
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Speaker 2: we haven't heard the last of Coltman Laurie Valo. In
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Speaker 2: the last days in Arizona, judge grants the convicted killer
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Speaker 2: Mom Laurie Valo's request for a mental competency evaluation before
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Speaker 2: her second criminal trial. Remember, son JJ was found in
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Speaker 2: Priestine condition dead, buried in a pet cemetery on her
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Speaker 2: then I guess fifth husband's property.
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Speaker 3: The Chad day Bell, while her daughter.
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Speaker 2: Tylely his body was found rendered down to basically nothing
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Speaker 2: but fat in a bucket, also buried in the pet
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Speaker 2: cemetery on Chad Daybell's property. Valo, along with the prophet
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Speaker 2: husband Chad Daybill, convicted and sent us to life behind
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Speaker 2: bars in Idaho just last year, now set to stand
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Speaker 2: trial in Arizona for allegedly conspiring to kill her fourth husband,
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Speaker 2: Charles Valo, and her niece's ex husband.
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Speaker 3: I mean she's murderous, of.
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Speaker 2: Course, Lori Valo cult mom plea it's not guilty to
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Speaker 2: the crimes. For those of you that need it, Let's
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Speaker 2: jog our memories, refresh, our recollections as we say, what
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Speaker 2: exactly did Colt Mom Laurie Valo do back home in
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Speaker 2: Idaho it all started.
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Speaker 3: It's amazing. I was looking at my notes way back.
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Speaker 2: When when I was writing about as I called her
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Speaker 2: then Doomsday cult mom, now cult mom Laurie Vallo and
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Speaker 2: brand new husband Chad day Bill, And the very first
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Speaker 2: thing I wat was have chill Thursday to produce their children.
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Speaker 3: That's how it all started.
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Speaker 2: When these two children seemingly vanish into thin air, they
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Speaker 2: go missing. Then we found out about this twisted cult.
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Speaker 3: That Laurie Valo.
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Speaker 2: I had become a meshed in and her prophet lover
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Speaker 2: turned husband, Chad day Bill.
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Speaker 3: That's how it all started.
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Speaker 2: When we couldn't find those children, that the search was
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Speaker 2: on and we speculated, are they being hidden away with
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Speaker 2: some of the cult followers. Are they in some aim
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Speaker 2: somewhere or some obscure home with the windows boarded up?
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Speaker 4: And why?
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Speaker 3: And actually that's what we hoped.
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Speaker 2: We hoped that as bizarre as it was, these children
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Speaker 2: were somehow spirited away and were being kept by cult members,
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Speaker 2: as horrible as that would have been, and then as
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Speaker 2: the days, the weeks, the months passed, we realized they
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Speaker 2: weren't being hidden, that somewhere, somehow they were dead. All
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Speaker 2: this happened while cult Mam Laurie Valo and her new
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Speaker 2: I believe four fifth confusing husband, the Prophet as he
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Speaker 2: calls himself, Chad Dabel, had gone to Hawaii and had
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Speaker 2: literally danced on the beach after their wedding ceremony, taking
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Speaker 2: wedding photos. You know how when you get married, a
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Speaker 2: lot of people go stage photos on the beach.
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Speaker 3: They actually did that.
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Speaker 2: Now, it probably was normal to the people standing around
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Speaker 2: them and watching them. But what those people didn't know
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Speaker 2: is that back home, Jj entirely had been brutally murdered
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Speaker 2: and buried on the Prophet Chad day Bell's property, actually
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Speaker 2: at his pet cemetery.
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Speaker 3: That's where the children were.
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Speaker 2: Then we began to speculate and wonder and investigate, well,
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Speaker 2: what about Tammy Daybell? She conveniently died right before their
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Speaker 2: Hawaii wedding. Then the evidence began to unfold, including coltman
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Speaker 2: Lauri Valo going on Amazon and buying a beach bacch
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Speaker 2: wedding dress and rings.
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Speaker 3: Before Tammy Day Bell died.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure when the jury heard that, their
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Speaker 2: heads were just spinning. Long story short, and proceeded from
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Speaker 2: there to an indictment for the both of them court wrangling.
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Speaker 2: Their trials were severed under the law, which means they
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Speaker 2: were tried separately. The first to go to trial Colt
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Speaker 2: Mom Laurie Valo, soon to follow the Prophet Chad de Bel.
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Speaker 2: I'm looking back at these notes when we were still
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Speaker 2: looking for JJ andentyly believe it or not, we've gone
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Speaker 2: through investigation, indictment, and now sentencing after a very long
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Speaker 2: and tortuous jury trial. So many people have been affected
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Speaker 2: by what Laurie Valo and her husband, the Prophet Chad
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Speaker 2: Dave Bell, have done. There are dead bodies connected to
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Speaker 2: these two. We still don't know the answer to those,
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Speaker 2: but right now with me and All Star panel to
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Speaker 2: make sense of what we know. Right now, Mark Tate
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Speaker 2: is joining me from the Tate Law Group. Mark has
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Speaker 2: tried many many cases, including homicides. Sadly, on the other
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Speaker 2: side of the fence, Doctor Angela Arnold, renowned psychiatrist, joining
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Speaker 2: US out of the Atlanta jurisdiction. You can find her
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Speaker 2: at Angela Arnold MD dot com. Chris McDonough is joining
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Speaker 2: US director of the Cold Case Foundation, former homicide detective
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Speaker 2: for nearly three hundred homicides under his belt, those investigations,
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Speaker 2: many of which ended in a guilty verdict. I found
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Speaker 2: him at the interview room on YouTube and you can
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Speaker 2: find him at Colcasefoundation dot org. But first I want
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Speaker 2: to go to a very well respected journalist, host of
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Speaker 2: Hidden true Crime podcast and YouTube channel, Lauren Matthias.
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Speaker 3: What can you tell me about the prophet?
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Speaker 1: Oh?
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Speaker 5: I can tell you a lot about the prophet Chad
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Speaker 5: Dave Bell. You know, I'm actually in Rexford right now, Nancy,
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Speaker 5: and we have been to his house.
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Speaker 3: Hey, hold on, right there, Lauren. I'm gonna come right
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Speaker 3: back to you.
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Speaker 2: But doctor Angie, I want you to listen, especially to
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Speaker 2: what Laura Matthias to say. Because colet Mom and all
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Speaker 2: of her Kookie beliefs was still harmless until she got
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Speaker 2: with Chad day Bill. Then people started dying, Okay, So
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Speaker 2: that singally effect he had on her something I'd like you,
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Speaker 2: doctor Angie, to analyze.
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Speaker 3: Mark Tata. I want you to think about co defendants
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Speaker 3: under the law.
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Speaker 2: And Chris McDonough, we've seen a lot of murders where
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Speaker 2: usually the man masterminds it and the woman goes along
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Speaker 2: with it.
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Speaker 3: What she can't call nine one one jump in McDonough.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, you know in this saga, I hear Nancy as
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Speaker 6: you've been talking about it from day one. This is
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Speaker 6: a situation where the two personalities come together and quite frankly,
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Speaker 6: she seems to be the more dominant one over this,
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Speaker 6: you know, false prophet Chad, and it's really been interesting
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Speaker 6: to see that he's been just kind of tagging along,
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Speaker 6: but he has a tremendous amount of influence.
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Speaker 3: But what okay, well back on his satellite, Yes, please
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Speaker 3: do so.
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Speaker 7: I actually think it was Chad's belief system. Chad was
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Speaker 7: a doomsday author.
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Speaker 5: Chad had a scale where he rated people light to dark.
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Speaker 5: Chad would decide if somebody was a zombie, and he
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Speaker 5: is the one who labeled Tiley, sixteen year old Tylie,
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Speaker 5: Ryan Laurie's daughter, a zombie, calling her dark, calling her evil.
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Speaker 5: Chad was the one setting the stage with his belief system,
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Speaker 5: with his books. He was the speaker at these conferences,
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Speaker 5: these preparing the people conferences where he would talk about
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Speaker 5: the end of the world and how we would have
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Speaker 5: white tents and we would have to shoot the zombies
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Speaker 5: that came. And so these two, what they have done
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Speaker 5: is horrendous.
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Speaker 2: You know, sharing Lori Matthias speaking, who was there in town,
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Speaker 2: I guess that's Mark Ta go ahead, Mark, Yeah.
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Speaker 4: I was going to just jump in for a moment.
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Speaker 8: Mentioned something about us Bengali effect that this Chad Dave
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Speaker 8: Bell had, and I think it really is interesting because
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Speaker 8: you know, we just saw one of Charles Manson's followers paroled,
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Speaker 8: and I think that, you know, these types of cult
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Speaker 8: leaders are known to be very charismatic, and they make
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Speaker 8: the people who are working with them believe they're doing
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Speaker 8: what they're doing voluntarily in support, and so it really
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Speaker 8: is a control situation. And we have layered on top
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Speaker 8: of that with Chad day Bell this underpinning of his
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Speaker 8: religious beliefs, and of course everything he was saying is.
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Speaker 3: Can you please stop Mark te right there?
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Speaker 1: Tay Tate?
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Speaker 3: Yes?
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Speaker 4: No?
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Speaker 3: Yes or no? Have you ever given birth Mark Tate?
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Speaker 8: No? But it's starting to feel like it in this interview.
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Speaker 2: Okay, no, No, that was a one that was just
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Speaker 2: a one word answer, because I don't give a flying
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Speaker 2: fig whose Bengali is. But when you are a mother
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Speaker 2: and you would go a long was somebody's idea for
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Speaker 2: you to kill your children?
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Speaker 3: You can go straight to h E Double l.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: It was proven in court that called my Laurie Valo
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Speaker 2: and the prophet husband Chad day Bell, murdered too. Valo's children,
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Speaker 2: seven year old JJ and sixteen year old Tyley, as
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Speaker 2: well as Chad Daybell's first wife, Tammy day Bell. Does
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Speaker 2: it never end with these two?
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Speaker 1: Now?
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Speaker 2: While JJ and Tyley were still reported as missing, and
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Speaker 2: directly after Tammy Dave Bell's murder, Valo and Dave Bell
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Speaker 2: married in Hawaii that very same year. Tammy died in October,
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Speaker 2: and these two murderers fly to Hawaii for a beachside
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Speaker 2: wedding the next month. That's not fishy at all, right,
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Speaker 2: JJ and Tirely were discovered in shallow grapes on Chad
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Speaker 2: day Bell's rural property in Rexburg months after they disappear
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Speaker 2: from home. The sixteen year old Tilely remains were burned,
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Speaker 2: seven year old JJ's body bound in duct tape. Now
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Speaker 2: after the murder trial in Idaho, Valos spent several months
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Speaker 2: in an Idaho mental hospital and following those months, Let's
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Speaker 2: see who was the judge? I recall it as Judge
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Speaker 2: Boyce ruled she was quote returned to competency and fit
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Speaker 2: to proceed in her first trial. Ido prosecutors claimed during
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Speaker 2: Valo's and day Bell's trial the pair had extreme, I say,
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Speaker 2: extremely bizarre religious beliefs, including the theory that people have
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Speaker 2: dark souls while others have light souls. They claim dark
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Speaker 2: spirits could be so dark that they were zombies, and
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Speaker 2: Vala and da Bill had to kill them.
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Speaker 1: They had no other choice right than to kill children.
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Speaker 2: Well, it ain't over yet. She is now facing charges
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Speaker 2: murder related charges in the death of husband Charles Vallo
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Speaker 2: and her niece's ex husband.
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Speaker 3: What exactly happened?
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Speaker 1: I want you to hear this rack.
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Speaker 3: Levinthhaal joining us from Fox. Take a listen. Our cut
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Speaker 3: to still more.
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Speaker 9: Questions than answers in the disappearance of an Idaho brother
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Speaker 9: and sister. Seven year old Joshua and seventeen year old
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Speaker 9: ty Lee haven't been seen.
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Speaker 7: In September, the kid's.
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Speaker 9: Mother, Lauri Valo, and her new husband left for Hawaii
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Speaker 9: about three months ago. Valo and her new husband are
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Speaker 9: members of a religious group preparing for the biblical end
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Speaker 9: of times, and they've been surrounded by sudden deaths. Her
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Speaker 9: brother killed her estranged husband last July, then he died
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Speaker 9: in December, and her new husband's former wife died in October.
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Speaker 3: Authority served a search warrant on day Bell's home Tuesday,
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Speaker 3: leading to the discovery of what now police confirm is
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Speaker 3: two sets of human remains in the backyard.
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Speaker 10: New developments and somber news coming out of the Lori
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Speaker 10: Valo case. Relatives of the Vallo family say that the
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Speaker 10: human remains found at the Idaho home of Valo's husband,
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Speaker 10: Chad Dabll, are in fact Valo's children, JJ Vallo and
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Speaker 10: Tylie Ryan.
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Speaker 2: You know, it's really hard if you're trying to parse
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Speaker 2: words and split hairs. Who is the mastermind between these
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Speaker 2: two but burying the children's remains Chad Dabell's backyard, I
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Speaker 2: don't know what kind of mastermind devised that, But it
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Speaker 2: wasn't that difficult for their remains to be found. We
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Speaker 2: had to get enough PC probable cause to search his property.
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Speaker 2: As the prosecutor described the way that Tyley was the murder,
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Speaker 2: especially the part when he pointed out yet again which
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Speaker 2: was already in autopsy reports.
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Speaker 3: That there were stab marks in.
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Speaker 2: Tiley's pelvic area that were not consistent with dismemberment. In
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Speaker 2: other words, he believes this teen girl, gorgeous young girl
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Speaker 2: who was a mommy's girl, was stabbed dead.
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Speaker 3: She was stabbed prior to dismemberment.
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Speaker 2: When Kay Woodcock began speaking, she listed out a series
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Speaker 2: of numbers, which I didn't really know what she was
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Speaker 2: talking about, but only she would know what those numbers were.
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Speaker 2: Fourteen hundred days since I haven't seen JJ this day
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Speaker 2: that she had all measured out, basically dissecting and chronologizing
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Speaker 2: the time since the children first went missing, and they
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Speaker 2: were missing for several months before they were ever reported
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Speaker 2: missing because Coleman Laurie Valid kept lying about where they
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Speaker 2: were with me. All Star Panel Chrismin Dunna is joining
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Speaker 2: US director Cold Case Foundation for mor homicide detective and
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Speaker 2: star of the interview rim on YouTube.
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Speaker 3: Chris, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: What they endured Little jjge seven Tyler a teen girl
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Speaker 2: sixteen at the time of their deaths, and that literally
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Speaker 2: made me want to strangle Colt Mom Lorie Valid, who
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Speaker 2: by the way, sat there and hid behind her lawyers
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Speaker 2: and looked completely disinterested. One time, one time, Chris Nindana,
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Speaker 2: I saw her, very briefly. What her face with a tissue?
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Speaker 2: What did you make of these two young people went through.
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Speaker 6: One thing we don't need to forget is she she
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Speaker 6: is a serial killer. When we think about the horror
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Speaker 6: that these children had to endure, the you know, the
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Speaker 6: child that's cut apart, put into a plastic container and
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Speaker 6: then buried. And this poor little autistic child, this little
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Speaker 6: boy whose last photograph is taken at you know, you
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Speaker 6: old faithful, she is evil to the core. I agree
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Speaker 6: with you one thousand percent.
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Speaker 2: You know when you said that that last picture at Yellowstone.
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Speaker 3: Those moments that she had with her.
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Speaker 2: Children, and knowing full well that she planned to murder them,
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Speaker 2: and doctor Angela Arnold while she's there, Angela doctor Angie
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Speaker 2: is a renowned psychiatrist. I call her doctor Angie. But
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Speaker 2: doctor Angie, the thought that you are taking that picture,
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Speaker 2: I mean, I've got all ours framed all over the
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Speaker 2: house of us at Yellowstone, because she knew at that
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Speaker 2: time of that picture she was going to kill them.
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Speaker 3: She knew what was going to happen, did JJ and Tyly?
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Speaker 11: You know, Nancy, That's why, that's why it's very important
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Speaker 11: for us to realize that she is not capable of
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Speaker 11: being rehabilitated. There is no rehabilitation in this woman's future.
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Speaker 11: The mental health providers that evaluated her couldn't even come
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Speaker 11: up with a.
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Speaker 3: Diagnosis for her.
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Speaker 11: And we watch a woman who cannot cannot bring any
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Speaker 11: remorse out of herself, no shedding of a tear, nothing,
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Speaker 11: She can't bring any remorse out of herself. And the
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Speaker 11: first step in rehabilitation, Nancy, is to acknowledge what you've
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Speaker 11: done and to have feelings associated with what you've done.
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Speaker 12: So this woman is.
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Speaker 11: Completely uncapable of being rehambed.
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Speaker 2: Laura Anthias wants in about the autopsy jump in, Lauren.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, thanks, Nancy. I saw the autopsy photos. I saw
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Speaker 5: the children on the crime scene, or what was left
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Speaker 5: of them, what was left of Tyley's pelvis.
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Speaker 7: I saw it. I saw the stab marks in her pelvis.
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Speaker 5: I saw JJ's face, and I saw the duct tape
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Speaker 5: chin to chin covering his mouth, so I assume he
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Speaker 5: couldn't scream, And I will never forget it. What happened
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Speaker 5: to those children is beyond imagination. You can hear it
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Speaker 5: over and over and over again, and when you see it,
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Speaker 5: when you see it, the evil knows no bounds. And
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Speaker 5: I just wanted to jump in and say that I
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Speaker 5: will never forget seeing JJ and Tyly ever and what
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Speaker 5: happened to them.
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Speaker 2: You know, Lauren Matthias, there were many, many times, and
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Speaker 2: this exact moment right now is bringing it back. That
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Speaker 2: would be in front of a jury showing them crime
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Speaker 2: scene photos, couldn't show typically couldn't show autopsy photos of people,
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Speaker 2: including children's bodies, and describing it for them and eliciting testimony.
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Speaker 2: And I would have to steal myself not to just
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Speaker 2: break down and cry. And the evil that can be
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Speaker 2: committed on other people, much less children. Now I'm thinking
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Speaker 2: about Tyley and the stab wounds into her pelvis. She
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Speaker 2: was largely skeletonized, there was some tissue left, but that
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Speaker 2: means that those stab wounds likely went through all the
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Speaker 2: way to her bone.
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Speaker 3: And the way that she was disposed of.
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Speaker 2: But I've seen the bucket, a photo of it, a
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Speaker 2: bucket full of basically these children were rendered.
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Speaker 3: Have you ever heard that phrase, Mark Tate.
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Speaker 2: Mark Tate, veteran trial lawyer joining us from the Tate
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Speaker 2: Law Group.
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Speaker 3: Out of Savannah.
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Speaker 2: Rendering rendering, that's what you what people do in slaughterhouses
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Speaker 2: to animals, and they tear apart the.
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Speaker 3: Body and try to get rid of it.
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Speaker 8: You're exactly right now, we hear right right up here.
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Speaker 8: The world capital of fruitcakes is Claxton and they have
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Speaker 8: lots of chicken rendering plants there as well. And you're right.
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Speaker 8: It's an absolute destruction of the entire body. And so
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Speaker 8: not only did you have here this unbelievably vile, hateful,
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Speaker 8: terrifying thing that'ssed on some kind of cult preaching or teaching,
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Speaker 8: but you have this effort to try to I guess,
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Speaker 8: encourage more rapid decomposition of the body. So you know,
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Speaker 8: folks have talked about whether this person is going to
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Speaker 8: be rehabilitated. That's clearly ludicrous. That can never happen.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Cult my Laurie Valo in the headlines again granted a
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Speaker 2: mental health exam as she heads into her.
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Speaker 3: Second murder related trial.
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Speaker 13: Nancy Lourie Vello was granted a competency hearing relating to
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Speaker 13: the additional charges filed against her. Once again, court appointed
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Speaker 13: doctors deemed Lorie Valo Dabil fit to face charges, this
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Speaker 13: time for conspiring to kill her estranged husband, Charles Bellow
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Speaker 13: and her niece's ex spouse. Now Lori Vello's fourth husband,
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Speaker 13: Charles Vello, was shot and killed by Valo dave Bel's brother, Alex.
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Speaker 13: He told police he acted in self defense and he
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Speaker 13: was never charged. Alex later died himself. So now Lourie
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Speaker 13: Vello moves forward to her Arizona trial.
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Speaker 3: It never ends with this woman. What exactly happened?
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Speaker 2: You know, when I first heard about the indictment to
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Speaker 2: Chris McDonough, I was less than impressed by a grand
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Speaker 2: theft charge being thrown in because I was concerned about
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Speaker 2: the actual murders.
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Speaker 3: But they were right. They were right.
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Speaker 2: Because greed, greed taking part in conspiring to murder Tammy.
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Speaker 3: Dave Bel's completely innocent woman.
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Speaker 2: But when I was looking at those pictures of Tyley
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Speaker 2: just you know, starting her life as a young and
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Speaker 2: brother and sister so in love with each other, having
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Speaker 2: so much fun, all their lives ahead of them, having
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Speaker 2: their own families and get togethers and happy moments. Just
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Speaker 2: look at little JJ's little snagglety tooth tea all they
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Speaker 2: had to look forward to.
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Speaker 3: It's so young.
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Speaker 2: And then the pictures of Tammy Dabill working as a librarian,
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Speaker 2: working with underprivileged children, coming home from a long day,
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Speaker 2: thinking she was going to get a good night's sleep,
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Speaker 2: and never waking up after her body was dug up, exhumed,
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Speaker 2: when we find out she was asphyxiated, smothered dead, and
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Speaker 2: for what For life insurance proceeds four hundred something thousand
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Speaker 2: dollars and continued Social Security benefits for these two. It
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Speaker 2: was all about greed, which takes me back to that
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Speaker 2: grand theft charge yarge is just overwhelming. I mean, Chris mcdana,
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Speaker 2: you've processed, investigated, handle over three hundred homicides. To think
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Speaker 2: of money as motive, how much more cold blood it
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Speaker 2: could she be?
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Speaker 6: You know, she is so past feeling nancy to your
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Speaker 6: point that you know the seven deadly sins, right greed
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Speaker 6: being one of them. She literally, while preaching a spiritual
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Speaker 6: persona had made a deal with the devil and he
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Speaker 6: came collecting after he required a prerequisite of those children's lives.
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Speaker 6: And this is what makes her so, I think challenging
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Speaker 6: to understand, because there she is dancing on the beach
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Speaker 6: in Hawaii, whe her ukulele and the lags and all
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Speaker 6: the stuff that comes along with that, and yet withinside
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Speaker 6: of her mind and the individual with her, she knows
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Speaker 6: that her child, both of her children, have been one
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Speaker 6: of them at least dismembered and buried. And yet she's
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Speaker 6: just in this other place, and it is driven by
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Speaker 6: this unbelievable sense of I want more. It's hard to
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Speaker 6: understand it.
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Speaker 3: Certainly, I want more everything, Chris.
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Speaker 2: I want more men, I want more sex, I want
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Speaker 2: more power, I want more money.
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Speaker 3: I want a different lifestyle without these children. And when
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Speaker 3: what Kate Woodcock described the way that caught my Lori
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Speaker 3: Valo talked about little JJ as a quote demon. I mean,
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Speaker 3: he is a little.
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Speaker 2: Face just illuminated from inside that was such a happy,
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Speaker 2: happy child. I want you to hear Kay speaking in
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Speaker 2: our cut nine.
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Speaker 3: Listen.
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Speaker 14: She should have answered my calls, She should have spoken
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Speaker 14: to me. I would have given her the money. She
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Speaker 14: could have let JJ entily live and had a million dollars.
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Speaker 14: She could have been free to be Chad's mistress and
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Speaker 14: foot the bill with the money from spilled blood, JJ
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Speaker 14: and Tyly.
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Speaker 4: Could have been with.
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Speaker 3: Us, living happy lives.
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Speaker 14: Instead, she took all that away, all because she is
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Speaker 14: a money hungry, powermongering monster.
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Speaker 4: And I will only have the precious memories.
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Speaker 3: To cling to.
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Speaker 14: Now. Memories are how I feel the love I so
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Speaker 14: desperately miss through the heinous acts of his mother, the.
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Speaker 12: Deplorable woman that chose to be his mother, the woman
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Speaker 12: that five years earlier made the conscious decision to stand
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Speaker 12: up trying to judge the sport, to provide for, share
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Speaker 12: love and protect him.
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Speaker 2: You know, to Laura Matthias, who has been covering this
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Speaker 2: case since it started, I try not to say story
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Speaker 2: because these are real people and real pain and real suffering.
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Speaker 2: You know, when I'm listening to Kay Woodcock describing the
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Speaker 2: children and how precious they were, they all all everybody
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Speaker 2: that spoke tried to describe how disinterested called Mamy Vale
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Speaker 2: was during the proceedings.
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Speaker 3: How she acted like she was, you.
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Speaker 2: Know, not even there had such contempt for what was happening.
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Speaker 7: That is who she is.
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Speaker 2: How would she react during trial when the description was
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Speaker 2: being given of how her children were murdered?
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Speaker 5: She actually fought to not be in court. She didn't
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Speaker 5: think it was fair that she had to sit there.
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Speaker 5: You know, maybe she was embarrassed.
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Speaker 3: I don't know.
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Speaker 5: We had to do a sidebar that forever because she
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Speaker 5: didn't want to sit through listening to her children's autopsy reports.
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Speaker 5: She just didn't think that she needed to be there
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Speaker 5: for that. And then when she came back out yet
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Speaker 5: that is how she sat. She looked down, and she
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Speaker 5: sulked the rest of the time. There were some tears,
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Speaker 5: but you have to wonder what would you look for.
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Speaker 5: Were they for herself because she had to sit there
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Speaker 5: and couldn't get away, or were they for the children
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Speaker 5: she brutally murdered. I have a feeling it wasn't that.
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Speaker 2: Could you tell us again, Lauren, what you saw of
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Speaker 2: the crime scene photos of the children?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll never forget it.
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Speaker 7: You know, there are things.
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Speaker 5: In your life that you'll never unsee, and this is
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Speaker 5: one of them.
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Speaker 7: But I've been covering this case for three and a
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Speaker 7: half years.
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Speaker 5: I had heard what the children had gone through, I
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Speaker 5: had heard some insider information, and nothing could prepare me
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Speaker 5: for what I saw JJ bound with duct tape, and
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Speaker 5: like I said, I'll bring it back like The duct
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Speaker 5: tape around his mouth was the most upsetting to me
28:58
Speaker 5: because there's only one reason for that.
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Speaker 7: There's only one reason, and it's to make sure.
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Speaker 5: He can't scream, you know that, to keep him quiet,
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Speaker 5: that he knew what was going on, that he suffered,
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Speaker 5: that they tortured him. That's the only reason for duct
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Speaker 5: tape on the mouth. And I will never not see
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Speaker 5: his little seven year old face there and to think
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Speaker 5: who did it to him, the people that were supposed
29:23
Speaker 5: to protect him. You know, Tylie's palabus was the most
29:27
Speaker 5: intact thing of her entire.
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Speaker 7: Body, and you could see what.
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Speaker 5: They called chop wounds and stab wounds in her pelvis.
29:37
Speaker 5: And an anthropologist had to come into it, an anthropologist
29:40
Speaker 5: that does.
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Speaker 7: Remains for ancient burial sites.
29:44
Speaker 5: That had to be the person that came in and
29:46
Speaker 5: testified about what Tylee Ryan went through, sixteen year old
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Speaker 5: Tylli Ryan. And then they referred to finding her necklace
29:52
Speaker 5: that she was wearing that day and the chop wounds
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Speaker 5: and stab wounds in her pelvis. That had nothing to
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Speaker 5: do with dismembering her or getting rid of her. Why
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Speaker 5: there were there what they did to her, will never know,
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Speaker 5: But that's just a hint of what she went through.
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Speaker 13: Nancy, let me jump in here. Lori Valoda bel did
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Speaker 13: indeed address the court during her sentencing. Let's listen.
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Speaker 4: We'd like to start by quoting John from the New
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Speaker 4: Testament in the Bible. In John chapter eight, verse seven,
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Speaker 4: Jesus says, he that is without sin among you, let
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Speaker 4: him cast first, cast a stone at her. Then in
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Speaker 4: verse fifteen, Jesus says, you judge after the flesh. I
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Speaker 4: judge no man. And yet if I judge, my judgment
30:39
Speaker 4: is true. Jesus knows me, and Jesus understands me. I
30:49
Speaker 4: mourn with all of you who mourn my children and Tammy.
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Speaker 4: Jesus Christ knows the truth of what happened here. Jesus
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Speaker 4: Christ knows that no one was murdered.
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Speaker 7: In this case.
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Speaker 4: Accidental deaths happened, suicides happened, Fatal side effects from medications happened.
31:21
Speaker 4: I have a different perspective in life because in two
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Speaker 4: thousand and two, when I was pregnant with Tylie, I
31:28
Speaker 4: died in the hospital while in labor with her. They
31:32
Speaker 4: tried to stop my labor. They put me on the
31:35
Speaker 4: table and they put something in my ivy and I
31:37
Speaker 4: felt my spirit falling to the floor. I was standing
31:43
Speaker 4: near my pregnant body, watching the doctors try to revive me,
31:46
Speaker 4: which took them a few minutes. In that time, my
31:51
Speaker 4: sister Stacy was standing to my left. I turned to
31:55
Speaker 4: hug her and was surprised that her spirit was as
31:59
Speaker 4: tangible as a physical body.
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Speaker 7: Because I knew I.
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Speaker 4: Was in spirit and she was in spirit. She said
32:06
Speaker 4: she needed to show me some things and we went
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Speaker 4: to heaven. I later returned to my body. Because of
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Speaker 4: this experience, I have access to heaven and the spirit world.
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Speaker 4: Since then, I have had many communications from people now
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Speaker 4: living in heaven, including my children, Tylie, Ashlyn and Joshua Jackson,
32:32
Speaker 4: my sisters Stacy and Lollie, my aunts and my uncles,
32:38
Speaker 4: and my grandparents. I have had many communications with Jesus Christ,
32:43
Speaker 4: the Savior of this world, and our heavenly parents. I've
32:47
Speaker 4: had many angelic visitors have come and communicated with me
32:51
Speaker 4: and even manifested themselves to me. Because of these communications,
32:57
Speaker 4: I know for a fact that my my children are
33:01
Speaker 4: happy and busy in the spirit world. Because of my
33:06
Speaker 4: communications with my friend Tammy Dabell, I know that she
33:11
Speaker 4: is also very happy and extremely busy. I have always
33:17
Speaker 4: mourned the loss of my loved ones, and I have
33:20
Speaker 4: lost many in this mortal world. However, I know that
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Speaker 4: more than most people. I know where they are now
33:30
Speaker 4: and what they're doing. I know how wonderful Heaven is,
33:34
Speaker 4: and I'm homesick for it every single day. I know
33:39
Speaker 4: we all lived in heaven before we were born on earth,
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Speaker 4: and we were all adult spirits in the heavenly realm.
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Speaker 4: We chose to come to earth as mortals. Heaven is
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Speaker 4: more wonderful than you can possibly imagine. I do not
33:55
Speaker 4: fear death, but I look forward to it.
33:59
Speaker 7: I do not.
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Speaker 4: I did not want to return to my body when
34:02
Speaker 4: I was out of it, even though my son Colby,
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Speaker 4: who I adored more than anything, was only six years
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Speaker 4: old at the time and I was about to give
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Speaker 4: birth to this new baby girl that I wanted so badly.
34:17
Speaker 4: I was a young mother, and you would think I
34:20
Speaker 4: wouldn't want to leave my children, But as I stood
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Speaker 4: in heaven, I did not want to go back. I
34:25
Speaker 4: thought they would be fine without me, because I was
34:29
Speaker 4: peaceful and I was happy, and I was home. But
34:35
Speaker 4: then I was told by Jesus that I needed to
34:39
Speaker 4: go back and complete things that I had covenanted or
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Speaker 4: promised to do before I was born. This caused me
34:45
Speaker 4: a lot of distress because I knew heaven was my
34:49
Speaker 4: real home and I only wanted to be there. I
34:53
Speaker 4: was free from pain, emotional and physical. But then I
34:57
Speaker 4: was shown how I would help my children and others
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Speaker 4: in the future, so ultimately I did agree to go
35:04
Speaker 4: back to my body. Tylie has visited me. She is
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Speaker 4: happy and very busy. Tylie is free now from all
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Speaker 4: the pains of her life. Tylie suffered horrible physical pain
35:24
Speaker 4: her whole life. I sat with Tylie in the hospital
35:29
Speaker 4: year after year after year, while she screamed in pain,
35:34
Speaker 4: when the morphine wasn't even enough to take away the
35:36
Speaker 4: pain of her pancreatitis. I sat there while she cried,
35:40
Speaker 4: and I held back her hair while she threw up.
35:42
Speaker 4: And I am the only person on this earth who
35:46
Speaker 4: knows how much Tylie suffered in her life. She had
35:50
Speaker 4: pain every single day. She never felt good. Her body
35:56
Speaker 4: did not work right. And I don't know if that
35:58
Speaker 4: was from complications for me, the dying while she was
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Speaker 4: being born, or something else, but she had a very
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Speaker 4: difficult life. She was sexually abused by her own biological
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Speaker 4: father since she was three years old, and she was
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Speaker 4: forced by family court to go visit him for ten
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Speaker 4: years against her will. I fought for her in court.
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Speaker 4: I protected her. I tried to protect her with my
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Speaker 4: whole life. I tried to protect her. I worried about
36:29
Speaker 4: her every single day. Tyler had to get her ged
36:33
Speaker 4: because she couldn't go to school every day, because she
36:36
Speaker 4: never felt good, she felt sick. Nobody knows this because Tylie,
36:42
Speaker 4: like myself, tries to put on a good front, tries
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Speaker 4: to be a happy person, tries to have hope in life,
36:49
Speaker 4: tries to know that she's here for a purpose and
36:51
Speaker 4: that she has an eternal purpose to be on this earth.
36:54
Speaker 4: But I never stopped worrying about her. One of the
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Speaker 4: times that Tyler came to me as a spirit after
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Speaker 4: she died, she said, she commanded me and she said
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Speaker 4: to me, stop worrying, Mom. We are fine. She knows
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Speaker 4: how I worry and how I miss her. The first
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Speaker 4: time JJ visited me after he passed away, he put
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Speaker 4: his arm around me and he said to me, you
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Speaker 4: didn't do anything wrong. Mom. I love you, and I
37:30
Speaker 4: know you loved me every minute of my life.
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Speaker 1: JJ.
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Speaker 4: Joshua Jackson was an adult spirit and he was very
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Speaker 4: very tall when you put his arm around me. He
37:49
Speaker 4: is busy, he is engaged, he has jobs that he
37:53
Speaker 4: does there, and he is happy where he is. His
37:57
Speaker 4: life was short, but JJ's life was meaningful. JJ was
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Speaker 4: a wonderful person and touch the lives of everyone, and
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Speaker 4: I adored him every minute of his life. My eternal
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Speaker 4: friend Tammy Day Bell has visited me on several occasions.
38:16
Speaker 4: She came to bring me peace and comfort, and I
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Speaker 4: know that she is extremely busy helping her family, especially
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Speaker 4: her children and grandchildren. And I have a great love
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Speaker 4: for Tammy. My beautiful children, Tylie, Ashlyn and Joshua Jackson
38:38
Speaker 4: rest safely this day in the arms of Jesus. My
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Speaker 4: wonderful friend, Tammy Day Bell rests safely this day in
38:47
Speaker 4: the arms of Jesus. And I look forward to the
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Speaker 4: day when we are all reunited, and I too will
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Speaker 4: rest with them in the arms of my Jesus.
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Speaker 2: What will be the outcome off her net murder related trial.
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Speaker 2: I always say, when you don't know a horse, look
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Speaker 2: at her track record.
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Speaker 1: Nancy.
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Speaker 13: I don't think anyone would have seen this coming. A
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Speaker 13: judge has ruled that Lori Valo Dabel can represent herself
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Speaker 13: at her two upcoming trials in Arizona.
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Speaker 1: The judge's decision.
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Speaker 13: Came just one day after two doctors agreed that Valo
39:24
Speaker 13: is mentally fit to stand trial. The judge asked Valo
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Speaker 13: why she wanted to represent herself. She said, quote, for
39:33
Speaker 13: the past five years that I've been incarcerated, I have
39:37
Speaker 13: taken upon myself to study case law and criminal rules
39:40
Speaker 13: of procedure in the state of Idaho and Arizona as
39:45
Speaker 13: well as federally. I have real trial experience. I have
39:49
Speaker 13: participated in three different full trials from beginning to end.
39:53
Speaker 13: She also told the judge that she had studied family
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Speaker 13: law for ten years before her twenty twenty now The
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Speaker 13: judge did warn Valo of the dangers of not having
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Speaker 13: an attorney, but Valo said she understood and will take
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Speaker 13: the risks. The trial date for the Charles Valo murder
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Speaker 13: conspiracy case is set for March thirty first, twenty twenty five.
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Speaker 3: We wait as just as un fALS. Goodbye, friendly