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The Late Debate | 21 January · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Wait, welcome to the Late Debase.
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  Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the program. I'm Caleb Bond
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  Speaker 2: with Joe Hildebrand and freyer Leitch. Here's what's coming up tonight.
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  Speaker 2: You'll recall the anti Israel author who was uninvited from
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  Speaker 2: the Adelaide Writers' Festival that then resulted in the festival
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  Speaker 2: being canceled because so many people pulled out. Well, now
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  Speaker 2: she's mysteriously scrubbed or restricted her Facebook account where she
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  Speaker 2: expressed some.
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  Speaker 1: Of these offensive social media posts.
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  Speaker 2: I wonder why that might be anything to do with
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  Speaker 2: the legal action against the South Australian Prime Minister Premiere.
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  Speaker 2: I should say Malley wouldn't mind.
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  Speaker 1: If I upgraded him to Prime Ministra. I might more
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  Speaker 1: on that later.
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  Speaker 2: His book to Rea is off to the High Court
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  Speaker 2: to challenge the government's new hate speech laws in an
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  Speaker 2: effort to avoid being declared a terrorist organization.
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  Speaker 1: That's on the front of the OS and.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe the dope of the day to end all dopes
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  Speaker 2: of the day, I'll give you a tip if you're
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  Speaker 2: going to crash your car, may be.
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  Speaker 1: Steer away from the police station.
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  Speaker 2: But first, the breaking news tonight, of course that the
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  Speaker 2: Coalition has more or less imploded for the second time since.
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  Speaker 1: The federal election last year.
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  Speaker 2: You'll remember after the federal election last year the coalition
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  Speaker 2: split up, the Nats split from the Liberal Party and
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  Speaker 2: today after the three National senators who voted against the
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  Speaker 2: hate speech laws, that being Bridget mackenzie, Susan McDonald and
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  Speaker 2: Ross Cadell, all of whom were in the Shadow Ministry,
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  Speaker 2: were asked by Susan Lee to resign and they did so.
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  Speaker 2: There since being a National Party meeting tonight where they
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  Speaker 2: have decided that every Nationals front bencher will walk. So
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  Speaker 2: there's another eight of them, including the Leader of the Nationals,
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  Speaker 2: David Little Proud. So that is now eleven Nationals who
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  Speaker 2: have left the shadow ministry. It leaves zero Nationals in
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  Speaker 2: the shadow ministry. They basically have no representation in the
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  Speaker 2: upper echelon of the coalition. Now, now all of this
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  Speaker 2: has played out over the principle of whether or not
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  Speaker 2: these three senators were bound by the decision of the
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  Speaker 2: National's party room, which was to oppose the hate speech laws,
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  Speaker 2: or whether they were bound by the decision of Cabinet,
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  Speaker 2: which was to support these hate speech laws. Now I
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  Speaker 2: don't know whether you were watching Peti Credline earlier this evening,
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  Speaker 2: but she explained that previously the convention has been that
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  Speaker 2: you are bound by the party room over the decision
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  Speaker 2: of cabinet and there is precedence, as Matt Canavan outlined today,
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  Speaker 2: where if there is a disagreement between the National's party
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  Speaker 2: room and the cabinet, that members of the shadow Cabinet
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  Speaker 2: have been able to vote along the National party lines
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  Speaker 2: and against the Liberal Party. The last example that he
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  Speaker 2: could think of was in two thousand and eight when
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  Speaker 2: they voted on something to do with wheat and the
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  Speaker 2: Nationals voted in a different way to the Libs and
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  Speaker 2: no one was asked to leave the shadow cabinet at
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  Speaker 2: that point in time. It's hard to see how this
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  Speaker 2: does not result in the end of Susan Lee's leadership
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  Speaker 2: because it just leaves the broader conservative movement now in
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  Speaker 2: a really precarious position. We're back where we were after
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  Speaker 2: the last federal election, where of course there was a
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  Speaker 2: complete bust up between the Nats and the Libs. The
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  Speaker 2: coalition itself may actually survive this, but there's no real
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  Speaker 2: point in them being a coalition if they don't have
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  Speaker 2: representation in cabinet.
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  Speaker 1: So the whole thing is basically put.
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  Speaker 2: Susan Lee, I think is also put, this is just
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  Speaker 2: not a good thing for anyone on that side of defense,
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  Speaker 2: and it didn't have to happen. Why did Susan Lee
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  Speaker 2: have to ask them to resign given that there is
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  Speaker 2: precedence of Nats being able to go with their party
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  Speaker 2: room as opposed to the decisions of cabinet.
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's the thing right there. I think this was
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  Speaker 3: a fundamental calculation on behalf of Susan Lee and no
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  Speaker 3: doubt the team advising her, And I think it also
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  Speaker 3: speaks of someone who doesn't feel like they have authority.
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  Speaker 3: She forced them to resign because them crossing the floor
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  Speaker 3: as shadow ministers is an affront to her grip on
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  Speaker 3: the shadow cabinet and more broadly, on the leadership, and
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  Speaker 3: so in an effort to assert her dominance, she pushed
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  Speaker 3: them to resign, which you can understand why she was
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  Speaker 3: advised to do that. But I think the Nats have
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  Speaker 3: also read the room. They've looked at the polling that
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  Speaker 3: sees one nation outperforming the Liberal Party for the first time.
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  Speaker 3: Susan Lee is not cutting through. She already didn't have
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  Speaker 3: the numbers in the party room, and she was already
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  Speaker 3: on borrowed time. I think this does seal her fate,
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  Speaker 3: and it doesn't seem like the smartest move. I'm not
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  Speaker 3: sure what she thought she was gonna get out of this.
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  Speaker 3: If I were her, I would have brushed under the rug,
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  Speaker 3: moved on, try to reconcile in some way. But she's
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  Speaker 3: not in a good position right now.
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  Speaker 4: She's just not very good at politics. And if you're
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  Speaker 4: not very good at politics, you shouldn't be a politician.
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  Speaker 4: You could have seen this wedge coming from space, rest
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  Speaker 4: assured Anthony Albanez. He knows exactly what he was doing.
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  Speaker 4: And how do we know that he knows this because
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  Speaker 4: it was the opposition who were going around saying that
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  Speaker 4: he sees everything through a political prism, that he's you know,
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  Speaker 4: everything he does is as a political operator. So why
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  Speaker 4: on earth didn't they see this coming from space when
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  Speaker 4: this is exactly the sort of thing that in their
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  Speaker 4: mind he would do. And of course the answer is
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  Speaker 4: that they're just not that bright. They're just not smart
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  Speaker 4: enough to be able to see it. This is why,
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  Speaker 4: of course, he tied the hate speech laws to the
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  Speaker 4: gun laws and that's why he also knew and anyone
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  Speaker 4: who had paid any attention to the free speech debate
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  Speaker 4: over the past ten fifteen years or more know that
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  Speaker 4: this is something where Jewish people differ very very strongly
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  Speaker 4: from the majority of Conservatives, for whom free speech is
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  Speaker 4: a kind of you know, a hill worth dying on.
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  Speaker 4: The Jewish community has never supported the repealing of aighteen C.
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  Speaker 4: And we had this, I mean the Prime Minister raised
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  Speaker 4: in the Parliament George Brandis's saying people have the right
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  Speaker 4: to be bigots. You know now that debate so famous
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  Speaker 4: that the PM is quoting it more than a decade
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  Speaker 4: on as it was was central to the Turnbull government
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  Speaker 4: trying to change hate speech laws or you know, trying
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  Speaker 4: to restrict what you could and couldn't say that could
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  Speaker 4: cause humiliation or offense or whatever to someone. And of
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  Speaker 4: course that died in the water because it's very very
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  Speaker 4: very hard to do. Now, how could you not be
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  Speaker 4: in the parliament. How can you be in the Parliament
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  Speaker 4: when that is happening and not remember that it was
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  Speaker 4: the Jewish community who actually really supported keeping eighteen C.
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  Speaker 4: And if you are then going out on the attack
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  Speaker 4: and accusing the Prime Minister of not listening to the
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  Speaker 4: Jewish community and not doing what it is asking of them.
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  Speaker 4: How could you not possibly think, oh, well, hang on
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  Speaker 4: a minute, what if we don't do what the Jewish
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  Speaker 4: community is Clearly that's the mistake.
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  Speaker 3: You can't blanket say I want to support any policy
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  Speaker 3: position that's going to come out of this any lobby
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  Speaker 3: group on behalf of the Jewish community. You just shouldn't
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  Speaker 3: say that as the leader of the opposition. On the
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  Speaker 3: other hand, don't forget, they did get the most of
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  Speaker 3: the hate speech laws taken out of the bill, so
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  Speaker 3: Susan hasn't been a total failure. But I think this
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  Speaker 3: is a separate issue her handling of the National Party,
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  Speaker 3: and I think it comes more from her own sense
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  Speaker 3: of weakness in the party room than a fundamental debate
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  Speaker 3: around freedom of So they've.
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  Speaker 2: More or less fat and at the last hurdle. It's
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  Speaker 2: very interesting to note, of course, that the vast majority
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  Speaker 2: of Nationals didn't vote at all. They abstained, so their
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  Speaker 2: vote is not on the record now that the reason
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  Speaker 2: that they've done that remains to be seen. Perhaps you know,
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  Speaker 2: they were just saving their own bums and didn't want
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  Speaker 2: to get in the position where they would be asked
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  Speaker 2: to leave the cabinet if they voted against it, which
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  Speaker 2: was of course the decision of the Nationals party room.
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  Speaker 2: But three of them put their bums on the line
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  Speaker 2: and the rest of them have walked with them. So
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  Speaker 2: they have done this on principle, and I think that
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  Speaker 2: the Nats have in that way done the right thing.
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  Speaker 2: They've stuck by their guns. They've been principled about this,
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  Speaker 2: but they've also literally stuck by their guns, and that
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  Speaker 2: is the principal thing to do. You take a position,
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  Speaker 2: you stick by it. Good on them for doing so.
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  Speaker 2: But Susan Lee had done well up until this point
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  Speaker 2: in the coalition. I think was sort of had handled
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  Speaker 2: this well until this point.
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  Speaker 4: The final I don't think she has been I think
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  Speaker 4: she has been building a pire underneath her own feet
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  Speaker 4: and didn't realize that it just took one spark and
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  Speaker 4: the whole thing will go. Every time she went after
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  Speaker 4: the PM for saying he wasn't listening to the Jewish community,
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  Speaker 4: you can rest assured they knew.
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  Speaker 2: But I think but the Royal Commission was a success.
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  Speaker 2: I mean he was founded into bringing about a rural company.
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  Speaker 4: But again that the amount of pressure he was put
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  Speaker 4: under the accusation that he had blood on his hands.
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  Speaker 4: This is what made him say, right, you want to
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  Speaker 4: see blood?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but two things can be true. So I think
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  Speaker 3: she was right to go after him. But then she
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  Speaker 3: should have also anticipated this again.
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  Speaker 4: You have to pass you have to stop hate speech.
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  Speaker 4: And yet never had a plan for what she and
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  Speaker 4: the Libs and the and the and the gnats would
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  Speaker 4: do when he passed hates speech laws. Everyone knows that
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  Speaker 4: any hate speech laws inevitably going to trigger and freedom
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  Speaker 4: of spee. She's calling for something without having any idea
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  Speaker 4: of what she's going to do when she gets what
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  Speaker 4: she is calling for. She is the dog that caught
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  Speaker 4: the car. And this is why I just don't think
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  Speaker 4: she's cut out for politics. If you can't think even
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  Speaker 4: two steps ahead, how on earth are you going to
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  Speaker 4: be able to navigate the next more complex crisis.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, it's going to be interesting to see how
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  Speaker 3: this story develops, and I'm sure there are many people
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  Speaker 3: waiting in the wings to see what happens and whether
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  Speaker 3: there will be a leadership spill. But my message to
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  Speaker 3: them is either do it now or shut up and
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  Speaker 3: suck it. Up like this is your moment. If you're
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  Speaker 3: going to roll Susan, you've got to give the next
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  Speaker 3: person some time.
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  Speaker 1: I think we come back to this y.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to have a look at the front of
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  Speaker 2: tomorrow's papers and how these counts.
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  Speaker 1: We'll come back to me.
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  Speaker 3: Let's move on. Now, there is a new phenomenon where
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  Speaker 3: parents find out the gender of their baby and they
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  Speaker 3: are disappointed. Now what is interesting here is most parents
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  Speaker 3: now preferring or would rather have girls instead of boys.
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  Speaker 3: Now this reverses the historical trend. Traditionally, families would rather
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  Speaker 3: have a boy carry on the family name, the legacy,
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  Speaker 3: but now that is changing. In Japan, seventy percent of
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  Speaker 3: parents who can only have one child would prefer a girl.
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  Speaker 3: Data from some fertility doctors in a US suggests as
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  Speaker 3: much as eighty percent of US families, if they could
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  Speaker 3: choose between a boy or a girl, would choose a girl.
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  Speaker 3: And the question I think we have to ask you
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  Speaker 3: is why is it? And I would say it's probably
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  Speaker 3: because boys and men have been so demonized they have
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  Speaker 3: actually become second class citizens. If I think, who's going
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  Speaker 3: to have an easier ride through school, through university, through
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  Speaker 3: their early career, probably a girl. I think it's actually
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  Speaker 3: much harder to be a boy these days, so I
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  Speaker 3: can understand some of being anxiety parents would have if
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  Speaker 3: you know, they find out they're having a boy in
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  Speaker 3: the twenty first century.
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  Speaker 2: That's hard because interesting This is from a two psychologists
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  Speaker 2: throughriting in the Olds today, Rachel Sampson and Phil Bird,
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  Speaker 2: and they've described this quote gender disappointment as like something
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  Speaker 2: that people are presenting to clinicians with and they're saying
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  Speaker 2: they are filled with dread and anxiety and worry about
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  Speaker 2: the possibility of having to raise a boy, which seems
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  Speaker 2: crazy because it's like, I mean, you're having a child.
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  Speaker 2: It's like one of the greatest miracles on earth, right,
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  Speaker 2: and you're.
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  Speaker 1: Like, oh my god, it's not the gender. I expect
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  Speaker 1: that this is going to be difficult.
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  Speaker 2: Parenthood is sometimes difficult, of course, but I think it's
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  Speaker 2: become fashionable now to have a girl, and girls have
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  Speaker 2: become fashionable, and look, there had to be some level
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  Speaker 2: of correction because of course, you know, we've seen what
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  Speaker 2: happens when you put too much weight on having a boy.
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  Speaker 2: V China, when they had the one child policy for
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  Speaker 2: economic purpose.
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  Speaker 4: They just left the girls on the side of the mountain.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, for economic purposes, there was six selective abortion.
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  Speaker 2: Women would have girls and just chuck them away like
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  Speaker 2: they didn't want to have girls, because if you can
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  Speaker 2: only have one baby, they want the boy because he's
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  Speaker 2: going to bring home the bacon.
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  Speaker 1: It's better for the family.
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  Speaker 2: And historically that has been the case, so a correction
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  Speaker 2: of that phenomenon is not necessarily a bad thing. But
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  Speaker 2: the pendulum has now swung too far and we've gone
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  Speaker 2: to the other side and it's now so fashionable to
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  Speaker 2: have a girl that everyone wants a girl instead.
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  Speaker 1: What about the pool boys.
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  Speaker 4: Well, here's a couple of interesting things. Firstly, if you
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  Speaker 4: actually have proper equality, which I think we pretty much
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  Speaker 4: do now, you don't need to have a correction at all,
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  Speaker 4: because of course the girl can go and become just
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  Speaker 4: as much of a breadwinner as the mail com and
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  Speaker 4: someone will ride and say, actually there's a difference in
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  Speaker 4: the pay scal but it'll be all right.
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  Speaker 1: But it's not as fashionable.
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  Speaker 4: But it's not as fashionable. And there are a few
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  Speaker 4: Facebook feminists who have sort of said talked about their disappointment,
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  Speaker 4: you know, you know, getting predinant, finding out it's a boy,
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  Speaker 4: and thinking, oh no, I wanted to raise a little
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  Speaker 4: you know now that you know, haven't you heard you
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  Speaker 4: haven't heard this phrase pulling a face?
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, how can you say that about your own
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  Speaker 3: It was a few years ago, but someone wrote a
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  Speaker 3: sort of piece in probably The Guardian or somewhere saying
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  Speaker 3: how I came to terms with.
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  Speaker 4: The fact that I had a you know, a straight
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  Speaker 4: boy as a child, or but they probably hadn't guess
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  Speaker 4: his sexuality it maybe it was transitioning later on, but
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  Speaker 4: I reckon.
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  Speaker 1: Clementine Forward wrote something like that.
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  Speaker 4: It does sound rather fodish. But the interesting thing is
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  Speaker 4: if it is being done for sort of ideological reasons,
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  Speaker 4: because girls do much better at school, and and they
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  Speaker 4: developed much quicker and much get much smarter, and probably
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  Speaker 4: just are much smarter, so you know, there might be that.
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  Speaker 4: But if it's been done for those sort of ideological reasons,
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  Speaker 4: the obvious repercussion of having more women than men, much
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  Speaker 4: more women than men, there's already a bit more women
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  Speaker 4: than men is that you will increase the population because
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  Speaker 4: you increase your capacity to reproduce. So you know, obviously,
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  Speaker 4: you know, a guy can't actually unless you know, again,
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  Speaker 4: unless elymy, it doesn't matter. It's the problem. But the
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  Speaker 4: problem is not the lack of the problem is the
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  Speaker 4: lack of harriers.
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  Speaker 1: So it's it's actually good the blokes, is what you're saying.
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  Speaker 4: No, well we've got more bird. It's good for the
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  Speaker 4: it's good for the blokes because you get more birds.
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  Speaker 4: But it's it will increase the global population. And this
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  Speaker 4: is usually from the left to a saying need to
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  Speaker 4: decrease global population as climate change and we're eating up
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  Speaker 4: too many of the planet's resources. Well, but the handbrake
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  Speaker 4: on that is a limit to how much you can.
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  Speaker 4: But I guess all the women that they choose to
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  Speaker 4: have will choose not to have.
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  Speaker 2: Kids because well, yeah, it's true, i'll have to it
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  Speaker 2: might be a boy set up.
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  Speaker 1: Maharim.
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  Speaker 2: Now, I suppose while we're talking about kids, of course,
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  Speaker 2: whether the male or female, you do have to send
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  Speaker 2: them off to school. And increasingly now parents are choosing
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  Speaker 2: to send the kids.
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  Speaker 1: To private schools.
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  Speaker 2: Public schools seem to be out of vogue now, and
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  Speaker 2: I suppose that's not terribly surprising when you see some
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  Speaker 2: of the stuff the kids are taught in public schools
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  Speaker 2: these days. When I was a kid, and certainly before
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  Speaker 2: I was a kid, there was something wrong with sending
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  Speaker 2: a kid to a public school. You sort of knew
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  Speaker 2: they were going to get a decent education. You could
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  Speaker 2: pay more to send them to a private school. But
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  Speaker 2: I turned out alright, I think you turned out public school,
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  Speaker 2: didn't you. So there you go, two shining examples here.
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  Speaker 2: But of course private schools are exceedingly popular now. And
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  Speaker 2: I couldn't believe this figure I read in the newspaper today.
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  Speaker 2: The newschool papers have crunched the numbers and found that
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  Speaker 2: private schools are going out and starting bankruptcy proceedings against
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  Speaker 2: people at twice the rate of the big banks. That is,
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  Speaker 2: private schools are bankrupting parents over unpaid fees twice as
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  Speaker 2: much as banks are pursuing people for not paying their mortgages.
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  Speaker 1: I know, it seems really very unchristian. Now, well, the numbers.
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  Speaker 2: Are relatively small, it should be noted. In the last
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  Speaker 2: four financial years, at one hundred and twenty eight families
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  Speaker 2: have been pursued by private schools, but only sixty two
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  Speaker 2: people in that same time in the entire country have
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  Speaker 2: been pursued by the bank for bankruptcy for not paying
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  Speaker 2: their mortgage, and it made me wonder. I mean, look,
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  Speaker 2: there are some people who are just bad at dealing
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  Speaker 2: with their finances, and maybe they think we'll I'll pay
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  Speaker 2: the mortgage before I pay the school fees. That may
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  Speaker 2: explain some of it. But also thought, is there an
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  Speaker 2: element perhaps of because parents don't want to send their
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: kids to public schools anymore. There may be a lot
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: of parents over extending themselves and saying I've got no
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: choice but to send them to a private school that
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: they can't really afford, and then they find themselves in
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: this position of not being able to pay the fees,
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: and then eventually the school says, well, you've got to
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: pay up.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: We're going to take you to court and bankrupt you.
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: Exactly right. I mean, there's a whole industry growing now
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: of loans and credit card loans and all sorts of
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: personal finance arrangements to help people pay private school fees
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: where you have to go into debt to pay school fees.
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: The other thing that I've seen that's very increasingly popular
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: as well is grandparents will pay private school fees. That's
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: become very popular. But look, it's a hard position for
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: these schools to be in because someone's got to pay
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: for these kids to go to school. And if you
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: know that the school's not really going to chase me
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: if I don't pay, well, how do you actually stop
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: that from becoming the attitude and ultimately just making the
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: school poorer? So they don't really have an option. But
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: it is scary the levels of debt that Australians are
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: in generally in terms of housing, but now also university
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: school fees. I mean, it's all just adding up.
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, they're interesting thing here. It's all I suppose
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: about the hierarchy of need. But so people will pay
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: and we've seen this. Food Bank's done a report on it,
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: and Vinie's and Salvos who I with say this all
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: the time. People will pay their mortgage or their rent
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: even before they buy food. So there's reports of families
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: not putting food on the table, not even having enough
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: their kids because they think it's more important to have
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: it over their heads because without that, your whole world collapses. Obviously,
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: these are usually not people who are going to sending
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: their kids to private schools, however, and the reason why
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: most kids most parents send their kids to private school
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: is they look at the school that is best performing.
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: They look at the napland results, the ones that are
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: getting the highest atars or whatever, highest chance of getting
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: their kid to UNI, which a lot of most middle
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: class families would think is just a part of the
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: new normal. It never used to be, but it now
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: is that they just have to do it, and so
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: I've got to do everything to get my kids through it.
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: The problem is it's all those families doing that that
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: are actually sort of hollowing out the state schools and
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: making their atars or their average performance go down, and
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: then more and more people pull them out of the
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: state system even when they can't afford it. And then
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: you have to have an amazing principle come in and
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: turn the whole school around. And they've done that. Soun's
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: gone to a great public school like that. But this
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: flight from the state system is actually what is causing
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: the very problem that these people who are taking their
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: kids out of the state system are trying to avoid so.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: To fulfillment prophecy exactly. Well, if you're struggling to pay
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: the school fees and you're going to Europe or going
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: on holidays, well your priorities maybe a little bit off,
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: But here is an innovative idea for you from young people.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: Is an ne trend where they will sub Maybe Joe will.
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: Tell us about ideas.
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: Basically, what's happening is people will sublet their bedroom and
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: put it up on Facebook or some sort of website,
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: so people can rent their room for two three weeks
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: while they're away on holidays. One example, someone put up
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: a room in New Town, so for two weeks it
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: can pay five hundred and fifty dollars. And this is
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: an example they're sub letting their room, and there are
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: plenty more examples like this. I get this. If you're
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: in Sydney for a short period of time, you're looking
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: for affordable accommodation, it doesn't get much better than fifty
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: dollars a night, which is what a lot of these
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: work out to. I mean, that's cheaper than a hostel.
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: Having said that, I do genuinely wonder how many of
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: these actually get filled, because of course it's a nice
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: idea that someone want to rent your room while you're away,
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: but would they really.
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: It's like I said, of slightly more intimate form of AIRBNBA. Basically,
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: isn't it now? I mean I tried it myself. I
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: rented my bed out for a week, but unfortunately the
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: tenant decided not to pursue the offer when she found
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: out you.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Were in it.
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: I see that coming from space, didn't you, mate. That's
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: like an omnibus bill that you can really see that.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: I've got to try harder as.
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: I'm not surprised by this at all, and it's the
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: sort of thing you sort of do anyway, isn't it.
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: I mean, we went away for a week and we
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: had a friend of ours stay in the house because
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: he wanted to have a Sydney holiday with his family.
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: And now that I think about it, we really should
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: have charged him for it. That was a real nice opportunity.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, subletting is not a new thing.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: It's gone on for a long time, but it's like
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: normally for a period of time, like I'm going away
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: for two months or something, right, It's uncommon to see
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: it done for just a few weeks.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: But it makes sense.
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: But to Saanda, like, I mean, you go and stay
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: in someone's house it's their holiday house that they live in,
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: or they go and visit that you've got all their
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: stuff locked away somewhere and you're always be a level.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Of provision you expect from an AIRB and B that
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: you wouldn't expect if you're simply subletting someone.
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: It's a line there as well, like you're not you
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: don't feel like you're sleeping in though you know someone
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: is obviously.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, because there's also a thing you can do
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: where you there's websites where people sign up for house sitters,
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: and quite often what you're find is people will go
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: for an overseas holiday and they will house sit someone's
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: place overseas, and then while they're overseas, someone else who
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: is in Australia is.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: House sitting their house.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: So you're essentially you're giving each other free accommodation. I mean,
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: it does make sense, it makes total sense.
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: But in the old days you actually pay someone or
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: you give someone something to house it for you when
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: you're away. Yes, and now someone's figured out, he goes,
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: hang on a minute, No, they should be paying us.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: I didn't thought of doing it.
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: That's trump esque.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: Because I pay someone to come and feed the cats
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: and stuff.
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: I should she should be paying me exactly.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: She's the woman who comes with you. If you're watching
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: gin you've got to start paying me to come and feed.
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: That's right, and bring the cat back. Please pay the
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: ransom now onto some real news. I mean you thought
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: the coalition imploding or you know, Iran exploding, or Venezuela
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: being invaded or Greenland being bought. You know that was news.
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: You are wrong with an r O n G my friends, No,
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: just kidding, As Donald Trump said, it spelled with a W.
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: Because this is the story of the century. Brooklyn Beckham,
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: the multi billionaire NEPO baby, I just found out it's
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: NEPO not NEPO who is the offspring of They.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: Wouldn't say You wouldn't say nepotistic, would you? Nepotism?
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but that's got a tism artistic at the
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: end of it. If the o's just hanging, you know,
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: like if you're okay, if you if your car is
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: getting repossessed, you don't don't get a repoman the repo
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: man theism anyway, that's sorry, I shouldn't be pre emptying
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: at That's topic seven down the lard anyway. So David
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: Beckham has finally broken his silence on son Brooklyn's family
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: feud bombshell. He has been silent for the last week ever,
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: since Brooklyn Beckham started posting a series of Instagram posts
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: saying that his family was just all about the brand. Really, jeez,
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: I hadn't thought that. I just thought they were natural,
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: sort of down to earth mister and missus Smith, kind
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: of every day guys. But now you think about it, Yeah,
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: I guess when you marry someone called Posh Spice who
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: has her own clothing label, maybe the brand does have
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: something to do with it. Oh you know. David Beckham
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: is the most famous football superstar and Thai English history anyway,
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: so he's complained about this. He's also complained about them
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: just doing stuff so they can post it on Instagram.
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: He made all these claims on Instagram, where he posted
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: it repeatedly as well, and he also said that Victoria's mum,
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: Posh Spice or Victoria Beckham Nay Spice, ruined his wedding
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: by stealing the first dance with him instead of him
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: dancing with his bride and then dancing inappropriately with her son,
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: which sadly for everyone, or at least half the population,
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: he failed to elaborate on anyway. David Beckham has been
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: silent on the matter. And not just because he had
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: an unusually high pitched voice, but because he was quite
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: traumatized apparently by it. He has now broken that silence
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: and we have all eleven seconds of it. Take a look.
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: They make mistakes. Children are allowed to make mistakes. That's
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: how they learn. So that's what I try to teach
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: my kids. But you know, you have to sometimes let
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: them make those mistakes as well.
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: And I tell you what, if letting your kids make
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: mistakes is good parenting, then David Beckham and I have
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: something very very much in common because he is letting
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: his kid make an absolute how I reckon, I'm team
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: dB all the way.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: I think he's been pretty gracious in his comments. I
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: want to know that he made those comments at the
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: World Economic Forum.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: No, I think Look, I think it's different if you're
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: the Royal family.
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: I am.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: I think it's different Harry's family. No, I'm not team Harry.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: This is why I'm qualifying my statement. If you're the
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: royal family, Meghan married Harry knowing all of the baggage
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: that that came with, you are actually marrying an institution.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: But the Beckhams are just a family. I know they're famous.
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: I know they're very wealthy, but clearly there are dynamics
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: going on in this family that are very unhealthy if
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: what Brooklyn has said is true, like his mum at
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: the eleventh hour refusing to provide his wife's wedding dress
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: and then.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Design.
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: Executive producer and investigative reporter James Birdles has done a
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: deep dive into this client and he has concluded it
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: is absolutely one. He's fact checked it. It's fair.
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: Okay, So you think Brooklyn Beckham's lying, then.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: I think, yeah, I think really, I think there's a
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: Nippo baby drama call.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: I think have a great deal of talent.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: He's married into a family that's even richer than his.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: He's alleged, I know, good on him for doing so.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: He's allegedly a and his family has supported his endeavors
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: in photography, including help publish a book of his photography.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: Look up his photography. There's one of the photos in
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: his published.
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: Book, elephant.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: Can't is the elephant and it's just a shadow? You
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: can't actually see the elephant?
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: And haven't got published book of his photographybe it's the
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: elephant in the room.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: Well, it is the elephant in the room. I mean,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: for goodness sake, his family has tried their best and
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: then you know, he goes off.
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: Mary's a girl.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: That's fine.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: Clearly the wife and the parents don't get along. These things,
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: things happen in families. Why do you have to play
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: it out publicly?
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: Just go and do your business.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I guess I don't post on social media
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: if I have a disagreement with my family.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: No, I know.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: But your family also doesn't post you on social media
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: to create the image of having a perfect family. So
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: if you're in that space, then that's kind of the deal.
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: Not deeply ironic that he says all his family does
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: is and then he formed for social media.
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: I am reluctantly team Brooklyn guys, but I'm open to
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: being convinced.
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: Just for the record, you asked if I thought he
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: was lying, and I just wanted to say absolutely, for
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: legal reasons, I think he was speaking his truth.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: That's all.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Well done, That well done, Joe, I con tell I
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: think we're all in a unity ticket that we're not
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: on team Randa abdel Fatar. She is, of course the
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: woman who was meant to speak at the Adelaide Writers
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: Week and then the whole thing imploded because she was uninvited, because,
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: of course, she posted stuff on social media that, if
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: you took one look at, it might lead you to
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: think that she had some interest in what Hamas did
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: on October the seventh, including, of course this stuff which
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: you've seen before, where she posted an image of a
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: paraglider with the Palestinian flag on the parachute. Of course,
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: we know the paragliders flew into Israel on October seven
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: when they committed the largest slaughter of Jews since the Holocaust,
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: et cetera. All seems a little bit saish.
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: Oh, yes, I know, seriously, as Randas speaks her truth.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: And by the way, she'd said about that post that
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: when she put it up she didn't understand the death
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: toll at that point, because she put it up on
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: the eighth of October twenty twenty three. She said she
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: didn't understand the death toll of October seven at that point.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: But the Odds reported yesterday that she left it up
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: until March twenty twenty four as her cover photo on Facebook,
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: so she had enough time to sort of work out
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: what the death toll was. Yeah, I know, at what
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: point do you no longer live that up, but you'll
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: know that she's launched legal action against the premiere, not
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: the Prime Minister, as I said earlier, of South Australia,
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: Peter Malanowskis.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: She sent him two concerned notices.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: Now and she has now removed everything from her Facebook page.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: And I just wonder why that might be.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: Could it be that Malanowskus, you know, would be going
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: to use the truth defense in comments he has made
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: publicly about doc to abdil Fatar, and that he might
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: have leant on some of the stuff that she has
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: posted online in order to do that, And so maybe
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: it makes sense to just sort of scrub some of
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: this stuff from the public record.
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: I think her scrubbing her social media makes her look
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: so much worse. I mean, at least if you are
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: a rabidly anti Israel activist, then own it. Given that's
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: what you've built half your career off, Maybe just own
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: that fact. Don't now such.
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: Positions are reasonable and not extreme and perfectly justifiable based
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: on the facts and what they're doing. Why would you
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: need to correct?
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: Clearly she's had some legal advice, thanks going do you
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: realize what you're posting on social media? This doesn't look
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: very good for you. But she is also someone that
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: has refused to call HERMAS a terrorist organization. She participated
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: in the doxing of six hundred Jewish creatives who were
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: in a group chat to support each other because of
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: the anti Semitism they were confronting. She's also a rank hypocrite.
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: In twenty twenty four, she petitioned to have a Jewish
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: writer banned from a writer's festival, and now she's complaining
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: about being banned. I mean, the double standards, the hypocrisy,
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: and the victim complex, as if the pro Palestinian left
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: wing activist crowd don't dominate the art sector already. Oh no,
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: one time one of us got canceled. Where such victims
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: get over it?
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: I just want to know, like why why where were
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: all the sort of you know, pro Israel or Jewish
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: voices on the Adelaide Writers' Festival where there was going
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: to be this free exchange of ideas as well, this
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: whole thing, Like if it's all about free speech, why
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: was everyone sympathetic? Yeah, I know it's a good person.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: I know, that's what As I wrote in my column
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: in the Advertiser last week. You know, I've been writing
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: in the pages of that newspaper for at least a decade,
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: and I've never been invited to the Adelaide Rights Week.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: So does that mean that, by the exclusion of not
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: being invited that your free spece my free speech is
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: of course, it's the prerogative.
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: Of the honest. I've read the book and I didn't
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: get invited to one single right, your.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: Free space, your free speech has been denied, Joe, exactly business.
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: But I'm just a quick tip though to Randa and
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: the legal team, if you're going to delete all your
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: social media posts, do it before, okay, because they've already
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: got a solid advice.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: Exactly Well. The hypocrisy doesn't stop there. The UN Human
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: Rights Council has voted on having an extraordinary meeting to
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: discuss the situation in Iran, and a bunch of countries
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: voted no to this. Most interestingly, South Africa voted no
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: to a special meeting of the Human Rights Council, who
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: you'll remember, just a couple of months ago was taking
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: Israel to the ICJ for jennocide. Now sixteen and a
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: half thousand people have potentially been slaughtered and no, no,
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: no human rights Council meeting required here, so hypocritical. But
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: what we're seeing coming out of Iran as more videos
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: trickle out, is truly horrific, and the international community has
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: to step up. And if the UN is silent now,
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: then that just shows their true colors. They're a complete hypocrites.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: It is unbel it's not unbelievable. Of course, we've seen
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: it and we're only seeing it now because the restrictions
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: on the internet untile thecommunications out of Iran are being lifted.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: And take a look at some of this vision here.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: These are the explosions the people running. The awful stuff
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: that's been going on in around that we've not been
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: able to see for the last couple of.
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: Weeks, gets right out of them.
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: That's up, that's up, that's up, that's up, that's what's up.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: Just awful.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: And of course the eye tollers took over because the
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Shah was too dictatorial, you know, so.
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: It's very sad. I was chatting to an Iranian person
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: over the weekend who has family in Iran, and she
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: was saying, every morning there are piles of bodies that
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: line the street. They come with trucks that they pile
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: the bodies into and then they come with massive hoses
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: to hose down all the blood. So it is beyond
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: anything we can imagine. The levels of slaughter are devastating.
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right, and they're now saying, just from the
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: January eight and nine massacres that it could be more
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: than twenty thousand. That's what human rights grew to say,
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: and possibly even more than that. Interesting thing about obviously
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: the eye Toller is a absolute contemptible fundamentalist, But it
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: was economic reasons that were the main driver of the
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: revolution in nineteen seventy nine, and it's economic reasons that
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: are driving these protests now. And I reckon that more
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: than ideology could be what finally tips.
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: But it's hard. You're fighting against some brutal terrorist regime
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: with your bare hands, Like, how do they stand a chat?
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: Well, I got to say, those people who are standing
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: up to the regime are terribly brave people, and they
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: are paying with their lives, and look, it's hard to
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: think of bigger bravery than that. After the break, we'll
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: get into the papers. Of course, more on what is
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: going on with the Nationals. Will show you how all
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: of tomorrow's front pages are covering the biggest stories in
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: the country in.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: A long time. Don't care why?
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: All right, let's take a look at how the papers
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: are covering this story of the blow up between the
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: Nets and the Liberal Party. On the front of the
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: Daily Telegraph tomorrow it says damn Nation coalition in the
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: mid shadow Cabinet resignations. Over on the Advertiser, great headline here,
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: NAT's all folks, how good is that Nationals quit front bench?
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: Lee under threating no elis crisis. David has little to
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: be proud of.
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: They've had them all up now there's none left for anybody.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: They've had some fun over there at the tires of
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: Jemma Jones and the team on the subs desk have
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: done their best there. On the front of the Canberra Times,
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: NATS acts as Lee lays down law. Senators resign from
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: front bench, clearly to make it boring, clearly the well
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: clearly the The deadline for the the Canberra Times was
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: before the resignation of everyone else, because it's the coalition
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: is on tenter hooks after these three senators resigned. So
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: they've gone to print before all of this has happened.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: And never mind, maybe they'll put out a later edition
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: that has.
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: An updo'pened in their hometown.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: No I know, but the Australian has gone out with
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: the updated version in full resignation. Lee crisis as NAT's
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: front benches quit en mass coalition crumbles. The Nationals have
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: walked out of Susan Lee's shadow cabinet over the country's
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: new anti Semitism laws, putting the opposition leader's job in
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: peril and leaving the Conservative movement in its weakest position
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: in decades. Nationals leader David Little Proud in his entire
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: front bench quit the shadow ministry after the Opposition leader
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: accepted the resignations of their colleagues Bridget McKenzie, Susan MacDonald.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: And Ross Cadell. Earlier that day.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: The Nationals party room had decided to ditch their Liberal
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: colleagues on Tuesday night, and their senators went on to
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: vote against Anthony Albanese's post Bondai massacre crackdown on hate
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: groups and radical Islamic preachers.
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: And it's a worst position in decades, I would say
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: eight decades, like since the.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: Actual deformation the Liberal Party.
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: Robert Yeah, I can't think of a single other.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: Because because beyond beyond the breakup very short, as it
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: was shorter than even some breakups I've been through that
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: they had after the federal election. I think it was
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: the eighties was the last time that they had a breakup.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: So you know, it is highly unusual for all of
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: this to happen.
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: They were never on a primary of twenty one. No, no, no,
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: This is like the labor split which kept them out
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: of power for almost two decades.
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: And I mean that's the risk here. A fractured right
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: wing vote doesn't actually help anyone, and even a bleeding
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: to one nation. And this is why something has to change.
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: There has to be a circuit breaker in the Liberal
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: Party because they cannot afford.
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: Losing votes then compromise or say something through gritted teeth
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: that they don't particularly like or agree with, just so
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: that can win election. If you don't want to win
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: an election, why are there. You're just there to collect
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: your parliamentary pintrip exactly.
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: You have to be pragmatic. And I've been saying this
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: for weeks, but I think now it's really this is
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: where we're standing. The Liberals are facing the possibility of
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: entering a Tory style death spiral if they cannot stop
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: the bleeding to one nation. Will They won't win. They
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: just can't win because the preferences don't flow cleanly from
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: one nation to the Liberal Party. They're going to have
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: to be forced into some sort of messy coalition with
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: one nation. It's not going to be good for anyone.
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: And as you said, Joe, that labor split was what
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: kept Labor out of power for twenty years. That's what
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: the Liberal Party is facing right now. And I don't
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: see how under Susan Lee's leadership at this point that's
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: going to change.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: Well, look, at least just keeping us in the job.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: There's a senior Liberal Mpea quoted in this story in
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: the other saying, un least she that is, Lee can
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: get this under control in the next week and a half.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: It's unclear how she will survive. It's clear that the
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: Nets want out of this. And John Howard also says
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: that Susan Lee made the right decision in asking the
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: three National senators to leave the shadow cabinet. Anyway, There'll
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: be plenty more to talk about on this. I'm sure
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: we'll be talking about it again tomorrow. Another story on
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: the front of the OS radicals ratchet up legal fight
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: planning radical Islamist group his book Toia is vowing to
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: take Labor to the High Court in order to avoid
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: being labeled a hate organization. As Jewish leaders warn Anthony
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: Albanezi and Susan Lee, they will need to revisit hate
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: speech laws after the Anti Semitism Royal Commission. After the
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: hate group's cracked down passed with the support of the
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: Liberals amid a coalition split.
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: His Book to Rea.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: Rapidly dismantled its online presence. Its website and affiliated media
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: platforms were taken down within hours of the bill passing Parliament,
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: but its spokesman blamed the laws on Israel and Zionists
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: and said its lawyers would be pursuing to have any
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: hate ban struck down. And it looks as much as
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: I hate his Book to Rea, they may not be
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: altogether stupid in running this case, because the government admitted
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: and Tony was very explicit in saying that these laws
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: will sail extremely close to what can be done constitutionally,
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: and it may well even be unconstitutional.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: Someone's now going to challenge it and see how far
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: you can take it.
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so a few years ago, and I think it
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: is actually one of the reasons why some Jewish groups
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: had concerns about the choice of Royal Commissioner because she
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: was sitting on the High Court when this decision was taken.
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: But the High Court found that there was while it
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: wasn't actually explicitly written in there, there was an implied
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: right to freedom of political communication or political expression in
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: the Constitution. Now that's again talk about sailing close to
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: the wind and implied right. And so if the hate
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: speech laws are found to have violated that, then the
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: Constitution would obviously override it. But you know what, like
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: I just reckon, let it play out, but let the
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: government roll out. You know, every single thing that his
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: book Toier has said about Jews or Israel, things that
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: it's still saying even as it claims it's not guilty
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: of hate speech. You know, this isn't you know, you know,
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: this isn't hate speech. This is just all part of
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: a sinister Jewish conspiracy, like the kind the Nazisi is
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: to talk about.
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: An excuse that it's Israel or Zionis. There are Muslim
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: majority countries that have banned his Bookterier. They're way more hardline.
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: A lot of nothing in the uk ad Anesia, India.
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: Plenty of countries have banned his with TIA because their
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: goal as an organization is to establish a califae and
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: they do.
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: Not have much I'm going to do my column on this.
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: I won't say too much more, but they do not
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: have much support in the mainstreamism community here either, So
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: don't worry about that.
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: Well, let's let's move on to the Herald Sun now
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: and the headline over there is school hack warning. Australia's
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: e Safety Commissioner warned the Victorian government about major flaws
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: in its cybersecurity systems six years before external hackers gained
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: access to the data of hundreds of thousands of students. Now,
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: this has obviously been a huge data breach in Victoria,
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: but of course the government was warned this was a possibility.
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: But what do you know, nothing was done about it.
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah they did. They closed down all schools that he
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: don't be too safe. I'm told of course everyone they
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: had to learn online. So it's about six years ago. Now,
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: Trump Tower splits Coast is the roaring headline on the
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: Gold Coast Bullard and I got to say I got
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: a good feeling about this. Put Tom Tait and Donald
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: Trump together spells magic anyway. A young Gold Coast worker
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: start a petition to support the Trump Tower. This guy's
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: a go getter to support the Trump Tower and Surfers Paradise.
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: As the development faces a wave of opposition, Record Jordan
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: Quatien hoy Newan twenty six, a resident worker and investor,
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: says the prime vacant beach front site south of cavil
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: Moore must be developed. I don't know. I'm I've got
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: to say, I think that the people opposing this, I
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: reckon they've got a case. I mean, I'm just not
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: sure that Surfer's Paradise is ready for high rise development. No,
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: I know, I just just ruined the character, the heritage,
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: character of villageatmosphere essentially just going to be that.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: They're upset that it's going to be a Trump tower, right,
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: they don't want the name Trump on the like. If
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: there is anywhere in the country where a Trump Tower
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: would be appropriate and fit right in, it's the Gold Coast,
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: for heaven's sake.
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: What is wrong with you the most modest building on
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: the stage.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: If you don't like it, what are you doing living
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: on the Gold Coast for goodness sake. Anyway, after the break,
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: speaking of things, you might go do I do on
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: the Gold Coast, go to a rave.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: But have you ever seen a rave where no.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: One is drinking and they're doing it at nine in
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: the morning at the front of seven eleven.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: Nor have I. But we'll show you after this.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: I tell you what this chap is allegedly just saying it.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: He is allegedly the best one of these we have
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: ever shown you.
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: The day.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: And alleged drunk driver.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: Yes, I'm just making the point clear, But my god,
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: if it's actually if he's actually done this, well, I
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: mean the car was crashed. This guy has to qualify
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: as like one of the dopiest dopes of the day
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: that you have ever seen. So this chap allegedly was
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: drink driving and he blew point one seven six, so
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: he's a fair way over that the legal allegedly has
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: had rather enticing evening, it would seem, and then thought
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: allegedly that he would go and drive allegedly his motor
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: vehicle and then thought, well, what a great idea to
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: crash their car into the front of the cop shop.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, come on, if you're drink driving, of all
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: the places, and you shouldn't be drink driving to begin with.
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: But of all the.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: Places to crash into the police station, you couldn't make
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: it any easier for that.
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: It's so bad. I think that is our best open
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: of the day we've had in a long time, or
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: something else that is pretty weird and confusing. Down in Melbourne,
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: seven to eleven has hosted a morning rave in the
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: car park of the Brunswick store starting at nine a m.
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: Lasted for four hours. They had hundreds of people there
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: dancing to celebrate the release of a new energy drink
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: at the seven to eleven store. Have a look. Look,
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: I know it's weird, but what a fun way to
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: start the morning dancing sunlight.
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: It for defending them, can't you see? This is what
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: the end of days looks? Yes, young people dancing when
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: they're not even drunk, I know, not even high because
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: of a seven eleven.
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: Well maybe they're taking promo they've had an energy drink,
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: but I mean, good as night in the morning, I
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: want to be in bed.
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: With the EPISO blame so let me let me leave
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: me leny. God, when I was young, we did things.
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah it properly. Yeah, I did it properly. We didn't
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: need any pill testers anyway, Another beautiful or inspiring scene
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: for you to contemplate as you rest your head this
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: evening is the Aurora Australis, And yes it really is.
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: The Aurora Australis the Great Southern Lights because you can
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: now actually see them in Australia. They've actually been visible
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: in many parts of Australia, not just Tasmania, but ride
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: up all the way up to even Queensland and across
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: the w A. Or you could just stay inside and
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: watch them on TV instead, which is what I did.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: Well, a sound thing to do, but isn't nature just
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: magnificent the things you can see in the world. Well, anyway,
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: I'm off to a rave, so I may or may
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: not see you tomorrow night. Thank you so much for
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: joining us up next he is the reader Pannehy Show.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: Good Night,