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Tarps Off Crew Sparks Cards Weekend, Defense Underrated? · Cardinal Territory: A St. Louis Cardinals Podcast

• 0:07
  Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to another edition of Cardinal Territory
• 0:11
  Speaker 1: Jim Hayes with Kyle Gibson and Lancelin. Hey, before we
• 0:15
  Speaker 1: get started, I did want to point out that since
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  Speaker 1: we started doing this, we've added two thousand subscribers. However,
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  Speaker 1: we're still looking to get more. We'd like to get
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  Speaker 1: to the seven thousand mark. So if you like Cardinal Territory,
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• 0:35
  Speaker 1: We're pushing towards seven k help us get it, okay,
• 0:39
  Speaker 1: So just a little background. Before we started this presentation,
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  Speaker 1: Kyle Gibson was in his shop in the middle of
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  Speaker 1: a torrential downpour, had a tin roof and it was
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  Speaker 1: very loud. So I politely asked Kyle Gibson if he
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  Speaker 1: could get to where it was quieter, and he ran
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  Speaker 1: to his car. And he's a hero because he got
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  Speaker 1: soaked as he got into a car. And now his
• 1:04
  Speaker 1: internet signal isn't that great, but he's here. So Lance,
• 1:08
  Speaker 1: let's give Kyle a run of a plug please, because Tew,
• 1:13
  Speaker 1: you look angry. You do look a little angry.
• 1:17
  Speaker 2: I know exactly what's gonna happen. Here right this is
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  Speaker 2: the old call into the manager's office. Hey, you know
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  Speaker 2: what you've been throwing really good. You've been doing everything
• 1:28
  Speaker 2: we've asked you to do, but the numbers game just
• 1:31
  Speaker 2: doesn't work, and we've got to release you.
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  Speaker 3: I've been in that meeting.
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  Speaker 2: It stinks, and I know that's going to happen at
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  Speaker 2: some point today because right now it's just not lining
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  Speaker 2: up for me with the rain, the bad signal. You
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  Speaker 2: had me run through the rain to get better signal
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  Speaker 2: and it didn't work. So the fact I'm surprised I'm
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  Speaker 2: still even on this show right now, I can't believe
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  Speaker 2: you didn't cut me off in the middle of it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, because I wanted to frame the heroic action of
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  Speaker 1: you running through the downpour. Plus you look wet, you
• 2:02
  Speaker 1: look so you look angry. I thought might as well
• 2:05
  Speaker 1: put them on. Don't you think that was the right time.
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  Speaker 4: And there's been a big, big, big thing about taking
• 2:12
  Speaker 4: your shirt off, so which figured you just get a
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  Speaker 4: wet shirt, you can take it off. You'd be a
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  Speaker 4: part of the part of the crew that was at
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  Speaker 4: the games this weekend. Let us know it's too well,
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  Speaker 4: you don't want to doesn't want to show off.
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  Speaker 3: You don't want to show off the Cereal Bowl. Take
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  Speaker 3: the shirt off. Back to the body. You had me
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  Speaker 3: run through prential downpour. I'm sitting in a car. I'm
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  Speaker 3: not in a changing room.
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  Speaker 5: Jim.
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  Speaker 1: It's still I still think you should do it. If
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  Speaker 1: if people need to be caught up on this. We
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  Speaker 1: had a big weekend in Saint Louis. The Royals were
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  Speaker 1: in town. Cards took to a three and Friday night
• 2:52
  Speaker 1: there was a club team from Steven F. Austin in
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  Speaker 1: town for the Division two up Baseball World Series. They
• 3:02
  Speaker 1: came to the Cardinals game, and let's face it, the
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  Speaker 1: Cardinals have been drawn as well as they were hoping,
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  Speaker 1: playing good baseball. The crowds are getting better and better.
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  Speaker 5: But this Steven F.
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  Speaker 1: Austin team didn't just show up. They showed up. They
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  Speaker 1: took their shirts off, they flung them around over their head,
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  Speaker 1: and they fired up the crowd. Now that's not where
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  Speaker 1: it ended, because the Tarps Off Crew, as they called themselves,
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  Speaker 1: created not just twenty guys. Then it was one hundred
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  Speaker 1: kids with their shirts off. Then it was a thousand
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  Speaker 1: and literally thousands and Oli Marmo. After that Friday night
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  Speaker 1: game said, he hopes that those guys come back for
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  Speaker 1: every game because they fired up the crowd. Then once
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  Speaker 1: all the information came in, the Cardinals invited them back.
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  Speaker 1: They came Saturday. Did it the end? They were crazy
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  Speaker 1: shirts off. Ollie invited them in the clubhouse where they
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  Speaker 1: took their shirts off. Some of the Cardinal players took
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  Speaker 1: their shirts off. Ali Marmel did not take his shirt off,
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  Speaker 1: but they got to meet the players. It was a
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  Speaker 1: whole thing. So my question is, gentlemen, this sort of
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  Speaker 1: happened organically. It wasn't set up or anything. But isn't
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  Speaker 1: this the kind of thing that sometimes Kyle can be
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  Speaker 1: a jumping off point for a team when something catches
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  Speaker 1: fire like that. Mason Wins said it was the two
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  Speaker 1: most fun games he's ever been part of, the two
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  Speaker 1: that this tarps off crew showed up. Can't that be
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  Speaker 1: a jumping off point for a ball club?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? I think it could be.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think they've played really well this year,
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  Speaker 2: so I mean, I don't necessarily think they need, you know,
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  Speaker 2: a jumping off point, but I think it could be
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  Speaker 2: something that leaks into celebrations, leaks into something they do
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  Speaker 2: on the on the field. At some point to pay
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  Speaker 2: homage to the people that started it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's one of your thoughts. When you see literally
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  Speaker 1: thousands of young men with their shirts off in support
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  Speaker 1: for the home team.
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  Speaker 3: I think you're looking at more of us. Yeah, that.
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  Speaker 4: Was such an old man question that where's his socks?
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  Speaker 4: Like mid Calf too? You know what I'm saying, Khakis
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  Speaker 4: mid sat mid Calf.
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  Speaker 3: Light off the first one after that question.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say this is more of a rallying
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  Speaker 4: for the fans. I think you're gonna start maybe seeing
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  Speaker 4: a different type of atmosphere at Bush because of how
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  Speaker 4: it kind of agdn as the weekend went, and could
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  Speaker 4: be fun and could bring a different element to Bush game.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, we've all played in different ballparks that have
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  Speaker 4: different little skits in there in there in the in
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  Speaker 4: the stands. Oakland comes to mind when they're out there
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  Speaker 4: banging on the drums and doing their stuff like that.
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  Speaker 4: So you know, maybe tarps off is the new rallying
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  Speaker 4: cry for the Cardinals fans when they're trying to get
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  Speaker 4: a rally going or something like that. So it brings
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  Speaker 4: a different element to the ballpark. It's about to be
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  Speaker 4: summer break, kids, are gonna be out of school this week.
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  Speaker 4: You know, maybe that's just something for the you know,
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  Speaker 4: catching some catching some free sun free violumin d with
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  Speaker 4: your tarpsh off at the at the stadium the summer.
• 6:11
  Speaker 1: So for the record, Kyle and Lance, I'm a reporter,
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  Speaker 1: regional cable journalism done at a very high level.
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  Speaker 5: I report.
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  Speaker 1: I don't become the story. Therefore my shirt stayed on.
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  Speaker 1: Now I do want to tell you this too. Listen,
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  Speaker 1: if I if I took my shirt off, there would
• 6:32
  Speaker 1: be suddenly a ton of reports of a bigfoot sighting. Okay,
• 6:38
  Speaker 1: I look like a sasquatch. I'm not doing it.
• 6:40
  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 2: Let's see if we could guarantee to get to seven
• 6:42
  Speaker 2: thousand subscribers if you took your shirt off. I think
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  Speaker 2: I think we're going to do it.
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  Speaker 5: You got all right, I'll mak it.
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  Speaker 3: Jim's doen a lot less for a lot less.
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  Speaker 5: I promise you that.
• 6:54
  Speaker 1: If we suddenly have seven thousand, I don't know what
• 6:58
  Speaker 1: that meant, but I'll roll with it. If we get
• 7:01
  Speaker 1: to seven thousand, right, I'm talking about by the next show,
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  Speaker 1: the one after next time we're all together, I will
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  Speaker 1: I will take the shirt off if we get to
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  Speaker 1: seven thousand now on Saturday. On Saturday, I'll do it
• 7:15
  Speaker 1: because look, we're all on the same team. We all
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  Speaker 1: have a role to play. On Saturday, we're waiting for
• 7:22
  Speaker 1: the Steven F. Austin Crew Club baseball team to show up,
• 7:27
  Speaker 1: and everyone's kind of what if these guys had a
• 7:29
  Speaker 1: game in the morning. They said they were coming, and
• 7:32
  Speaker 1: everyone was waiting for them to show off. So I
• 7:34
  Speaker 1: do a hit during the game. Okay, I'm out here
• 7:37
  Speaker 1: with these guys waiting for them. They're not here yet,
• 7:40
  Speaker 1: but there's some other young kids. And as I threw
• 7:43
  Speaker 1: it back the chip, I said to the like ten
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  Speaker 1: young people around me, Hey, if you guys want to
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  Speaker 1: get it started and take the shirts off and get
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  Speaker 1: the crowd going. And I'm not kidding you, Like, within
• 7:55
  Speaker 1: ten seconds there was one hundred guys waving their shirts
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  Speaker 1: over their head and the loud it was so loud. Anyway,
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  Speaker 1: as I'm done with the hit and I'm going back
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  Speaker 1: to another area in the stadium, an older gentleman older
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  Speaker 1: than me came up to me and said, I was
• 8:12
  Speaker 1: just trying to watch the game. You started this. He
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  Speaker 1: started yelling at me. So as a regional cable journalist.
• 8:19
  Speaker 1: Sometimes you're going to be the focal point of playing,
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  Speaker 1: but you can't please everyone. Kyle, loudest stadium you ever
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  Speaker 1: played in, the loudest crowd. I'm talking about individual game
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  Speaker 1: that you were ever in where the crowd was noticeable
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  Speaker 1: and impactful.
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  Speaker 3: Philly in October twenty twenty two.
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  Speaker 2: Not close, Not close. I mean we're talking when when
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  Speaker 2: Hoskins and Harper in the colin nearby had Rick Gale readings,
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  Speaker 2: So Philly, you know what.
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  Speaker 3: I'm out of here. I'm done. I'm gone. You know
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  Speaker 3: what that's messed up? The ring stop? The rain stop?
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  Speaker 3: You guys know what? You wait for.
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  Speaker 5: A reason?
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  Speaker 3: DFA, Oh he's back. He won't go. He won't go
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  Speaker 3: without a fight.
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  Speaker 5: What you got?
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  Speaker 2: You guys been looking for a reason.
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  Speaker 3: Kick me out of here all day. So I'm out
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  Speaker 3: of here, you know what.
• 9:22
  Speaker 2: I'm going back into the shed where I don't have
• 9:24
  Speaker 2: to hear this stuff and to me. In the meantime,
• 9:27
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go create a thousand emails and create some
• 9:30
  Speaker 2: YouTube accounts, and I'm gonna get a subscribers. And then
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  Speaker 2: we got Jim with his carp off on Thursday.
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  Speaker 3: Can't wait?
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  Speaker 2: You guys can go the rest of your show before
• 9:40
  Speaker 2: you d f A.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, I've done this too. Before you DFA me, I'm
• 9:43
  Speaker 3: opting out of this show.
• 9:44
  Speaker 2: You got it?
• 9:49
  Speaker 5: He does not like to.
• 9:50
  Speaker 1: Apparently he's had uh interaction with the df A before.
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  Speaker 5: It's never fun. That was half df still.
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  Speaker 3: Fresh, it's still fresh from last year.
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  Speaker 1: What's the the loudest crowd you ever played in front of.
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  Speaker 3: I've had a.
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  Speaker 4: Couple, but the one that makes the most sense that
• 10:07
  Speaker 4: will resonate with Cardinals fans is twenty eleven in the
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  Speaker 4: World Series in Texas when we couldn't even hear people's
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  Speaker 4: people talking on bullpen phones.
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  Speaker 3: So I would say that's the one that will go
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  Speaker 3: with today.
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  Speaker 4: I've played in some good ones with whether it's playoffs
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  Speaker 4: in New York when you're you know, heck, World Series
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  Speaker 4: in Boston and thirteen was loud. So there's some good
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  Speaker 4: ones out there. But the one where I actually like
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  Speaker 4: where it caused problems. Now, who knows what were the
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  Speaker 4: real reasons for those problems. There's been so many stories
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  Speaker 4: over the years, but the twenty eleven in Texas, we'll
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  Speaker 4: go with that one.
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  Speaker 5: Well, the crowd was loud.
• 10:47
  Speaker 1: There's no question, And I guess we're leaving his his
• 10:50
  Speaker 1: slot up there as an homage to Kindle Gibson for
• 10:54
  Speaker 1: walking in the rain. It but that really wasn't the
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  Speaker 1: reason for the misunderstanding the bullpen. Let's be honest about that.
• 11:02
  Speaker 5: It wasn't. Which may have been loud, but let's be honest. Lance.
• 11:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say that that wasn't the reason for
• 11:10
  Speaker 4: the for the mishap. So uh, you know, I always
• 11:14
  Speaker 4: get everyone's always asked like what happened? I remember Derek
• 11:17
  Speaker 4: Lucas always telling me he goes. They said, he said,
• 11:22
  Speaker 4: Mott or Lynn he goes. I know what I heard.
• 11:25
  Speaker 4: They're not easy to get confused. I was I did
• 11:28
  Speaker 4: I got up? Who I thought I was supposed to
• 11:30
  Speaker 4: get up? Or who I was told to get up?
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  Speaker 4: So I think that you're looking at a time and
• 11:34
  Speaker 4: the thing or during that time that was my spot.
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  Speaker 3: I got up every game, I think that they got up.
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  Speaker 4: And then once I started getting loose, they realized and
• 11:43
  Speaker 4: once I came in, they realized I had thrown what
• 11:45
  Speaker 4: almost sixty pitches of the night before and multiple winnings
• 11:48
  Speaker 4: of work and realized, oh, this might not be a
• 11:50
  Speaker 4: good idea, and then they got met up quick and
• 11:52
  Speaker 4: then so I think that's kind of more what happened
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  Speaker 4: than maybe not being able to hear over the bullpen
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  Speaker 4: phone or the crowd.
• 12:00
  Speaker 1: Can I ask you to repeat this again? I probably
• 12:03
  Speaker 1: over the years asked you about this maybe a dozen times.
• 12:07
  Speaker 1: But you're on the mound and Tony LaRussa came out.
• 12:11
  Speaker 1: Can you explain what that exchange was all about?
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  Speaker 4: Uh So when I first came in, I came in
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  Speaker 4: and he gave me the ball, and he kind of
• 12:20
  Speaker 4: gave me a side eye like like, and then nothing
• 12:25
  Speaker 4: was really said. And then Yachty I started warming up.
• 12:28
  Speaker 4: Next week, I know, balls were coming out of the
• 12:30
  Speaker 4: dugout at Yadi rolling across some plate and they were
• 12:33
  Speaker 4: like hey, like stop warming up or something like that,
• 12:37
  Speaker 4: and I was like what. And then YACHTI comes out
• 12:39
  Speaker 4: and they're like, hey they I don't know what's going on.
• 12:42
  Speaker 4: They told me that pretty much. They told me to
• 12:44
  Speaker 4: come out here. Then Tony comes out of the dugout
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  Speaker 4: or he goes hey, we're gonna intention Yatti comes out
• 12:49
  Speaker 4: and goes, hey, I don't know what's going on here
• 12:50
  Speaker 4: intentionally walked this guy. I was like, okay, because that
• 12:53
  Speaker 4: was never said why when Tony was out there. So
• 12:56
  Speaker 4: then he comes out and tells me that we intentionally
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  Speaker 4: walk him. He comes back out and goes, I don't
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  Speaker 4: know what's going on. And then here comes Tony and
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  Speaker 4: then Tony goes, hey, you weren't supposed to be in,
• 13:05
  Speaker 4: and I was said, all right, well, here he goes
• 13:08
  Speaker 4: and he took the ball from me.
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  Speaker 3: That was it. That was all all I recall.
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  Speaker 4: And so I came in to intentionally walk someone in
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  Speaker 4: the World Series and then Mott came in and got
• 13:18
  Speaker 4: the next guy out, so you know, no harm was
• 13:20
  Speaker 4: done on our end, but except you know, maybe they
• 13:23
  Speaker 4: want to give more time to warm up, so they
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  Speaker 4: had me come in and throw eight warm up pitches
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  Speaker 4: and four intentionally, you know, an intentional walk.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. It was a wild little experiment experience for.
• 13:34
  Speaker 1: Me, reliving a World Series full paw and having Kyle
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  Speaker 1: Gibson walk in the rain and then get defaded. This
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  Speaker 1: Okay, the cards starting rotation has really come together era
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: right around three. Over their last twenty games, the bullpen
• 15:03
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• 15:08
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  Speaker 3: What do you say, Lance, who's the starter? And do
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  Speaker 3: we know the starters on Tuesday?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll look at that.
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna go with I think he is a good pick, obviously,
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• 16:11
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  Speaker 1: Lance, So we talked a little pitching because that's shaping up.
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  Speaker 1: We talked a little bit the offense needs an uptick.
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  Speaker 1: We talked about fans with their shirts.
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  Speaker 5: Aw.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think we talk enough about the Cardinal defense. Now,
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  Speaker 1: if you go by defensive run save, they're near the
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  Speaker 1: top of baseball. There's some other defensive metrics that I
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  Speaker 1: don't necessarily buy in errors things like that. Maybe they're
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  Speaker 1: not at the top of the league, but you watch
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  Speaker 1: the games. The Cardinals almost every game make a play
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  Speaker 1: that could be game changing. I think these guys have ranged.
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  Speaker 1: It's not just when it's right now dealing with a
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  Speaker 1: knee issue. We'll find out more tomorrow. Weather Hole plays
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  Speaker 1: great defense. They're strong up the middle. Pa has when
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  Speaker 1: he's back there pretty solid, and whoever's in center has
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  Speaker 1: been great church It could be Victor Scott the second.
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  Speaker 1: Do we not talk enough about the Cardinal defense.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think they get the credit yet because
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  Speaker 4: they're so young, right, I think you're looking at when
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  Speaker 4: you look at great defensive teams, they have three or
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  Speaker 4: four Gold Glovers or multi time gold Glovers. These guys
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  Speaker 4: are too young to even have them yet, except for Mason,
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  Speaker 4: so I think once you look at this group in
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  Speaker 4: two years down the line, three years down the line,
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  Speaker 4: there's gonna be multiple guys with gold gloves. I think
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  Speaker 4: that's when they're going to be like, oh, they really
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  Speaker 4: were a good defensive team. But right now they don't
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  Speaker 4: have any of the hardware, so people don't give them
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  Speaker 4: respect as they should yet because of the lack of hardware.
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  Speaker 4: So it will come with time with this group, I
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  Speaker 4: think all the way around, I don't think there's anywhere
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  Speaker 4: on the field that you can say there's a below
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  Speaker 4: average defensive player.
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  Speaker 3: There might be a number or somewhere.
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  Speaker 4: Along the lines where they're like, oh, this guy grades
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  Speaker 4: below average, but I would say the only only person
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  Speaker 4: you can maybe do that too is uh Walker and Wright,
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  Speaker 4: and I think he's a very very average defensive player,
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  Speaker 4: and maybe with ability to throw the ball and stuff
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  Speaker 4: like that, he diet grade higher than average.
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  Speaker 3: So nobody.
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  Speaker 4: As a pitcher, you always look behind you and you're like, man, okay,
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  Speaker 4: I gotta keep the ball on the ground, or I
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  Speaker 4: gotta you know, I gotta keep you know, I don't
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  Speaker 4: want it you kind of you you do those things.
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  Speaker 4: I gotta I gotta pitch a little differently because I
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  Speaker 4: know that I might get myself in trouble here and
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  Speaker 4: there if you're sitting standing on the mount. If I
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  Speaker 4: was standing on the mount and I looked around at
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  Speaker 4: each position, I'm okay, I can just go attack the
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  Speaker 4: hitter the way I want to and do the things
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  Speaker 4: I need to do because I know that everybody's got
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  Speaker 4: their job covered and that's a very comfortable thing. And
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  Speaker 4: I think that's why the pitching is doing what they're doing,
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  Speaker 4: because there's no like, hey, I need I need to
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  Speaker 4: keep them all the air, I need to keep them
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  Speaker 4: all off this side of the field, blah blah blah.
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  Speaker 4: So when you have that, you can go execute a
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  Speaker 4: game plan and just pitch instead of trying to force
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  Speaker 4: things and keep yourself out of trouble because you know
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  Speaker 4: certain plays won't be made. Right now, they make the
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  Speaker 4: plays they're supposed to, and then they also seem to
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  Speaker 4: make that play that matters that to save two or
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  Speaker 4: three run double with two outs or something like that,
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  Speaker 4: right instead of being oh, there's gonna be airs. Every
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  Speaker 4: team's gonna have airs, but they make the play when
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  Speaker 4: they need to to make sure they don't have the
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  Speaker 4: big inning or the you know, the late inning thing
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  Speaker 4: or something like that. So I think that's why they're
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  Speaker 4: not getting what they know, the love they deserve, because
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  Speaker 4: it's not because a couple of airs here and there,
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  Speaker 4: and those are gonna happen it with youth also, so
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  Speaker 4: good defensive team all the way around, you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, doesn't get enough love. In my opinion, I think
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  Speaker 1: he's gonna be a goal glover Burly at first base.
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  Speaker 1: He scoops everything, and you know he's kind of a
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  Speaker 1: bigger so he doesn't always look graceful. That guy scoops everything.
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  Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be a gold glover. Do you
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  Speaker 1: do you see that in the yeah? So yeah, it
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  Speaker 1: takes time.
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  Speaker 4: And at first base it is such a weird one
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  Speaker 4: right if you if you the airs are not there.
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  Speaker 4: And I heard learning this a long time ago. Every
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  Speaker 4: once in a while you make it, you know, you
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  Speaker 4: make a diving play. You know, a picture can get
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  Speaker 4: to first and stuff like that. Instead of that, uh,
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  Speaker 4: you maybe make sure you go down on your knees,
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  Speaker 4: the old uh, the old special you know exactly who
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  Speaker 4: who the guys are that make sure they leave their
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  Speaker 4: feet in the right times to make him diving place
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  Speaker 4: when they don't have to be diving place. But that's
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  Speaker 4: how you win gold gloves at first base and stuff
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  Speaker 4: like that. You range two areas that other people don't
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  Speaker 4: to make sure your range value in your and your
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  Speaker 4: things go up. So U baally smart enough to figure
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  Speaker 4: that out when it comes that time, and I think
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  Speaker 4: he'll do. He'll be very very well equipped to handle
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  Speaker 4: that when he needs to make his range values and
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  Speaker 4: things like that go up. So that's when he's going
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  Speaker 4: to start winning them.
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  Speaker 5: You know. Jeff Soupon was a really good.
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  Speaker 3: There's a mething to this. You got to you gotta
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  Speaker 3: know the voters in the in what they do.
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  Speaker 4: It's like, hey, this guy's on the mound today, he
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  Speaker 4: can cover first Well, I'm going to go in the
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  Speaker 4: hole a little bit more than I normally would because
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  Speaker 4: my range.
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  Speaker 3: Value is going to go up, and I just everybody's good.
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  Speaker 1: Many years ago, Jeff Supan, who's been on our podcast,
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  Speaker 1: good dude, wonderful guy, actually good pitcher for the Cardinals,
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  Speaker 1: and one year they didn't bring him back, and uh,
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  Speaker 1: he went to Milwaukee and I was talking to someone
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  Speaker 1: in the front office about that and they said, I
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  Speaker 1: don't think he's gonna have the same kind of numbers
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  Speaker 1: because they don't have any defense behind him. And it
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  Speaker 1: dawned on me that sometimes a starting pitcher owes whatever
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  Speaker 1: he's accomplished terms of v r A and wins partly
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  Speaker 1: to the defense. And then I thought, boy, quarterbacks in
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  Speaker 1: the NFL usually go in and buy big gifts for
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  Speaker 1: their offensive line. They buy them cars, golf carts help
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  Speaker 1: come big name, big money starting pitchers. Don't buy golf
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  Speaker 1: carts or other vehicles for the middle infielders that help
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  Speaker 1: them post those kind of numbers.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that you're looking at catchers kind of
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  Speaker 4: get that love, right, more so than you know, they get.
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  Speaker 3: Watches and things like that.
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  Speaker 4: I think that the big money starting pitchers, there's not
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  Speaker 4: there's so many games, right, so many different things we
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  Speaker 4: don't have, like the hey, you need a golf cart
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  Speaker 4: because five days a week you have practice fields.
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  Speaker 3: Right, we're gaming every day, so there's not a whole lot.
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  Speaker 4: But you take care of those guys in other ways.
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  Speaker 4: I like to take them to team dinners, pay for
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  Speaker 4: their meals, you know. You know, there's certain little ways
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  Speaker 4: to go about doing those things. And there's a lot
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  Speaker 4: of guys that do those do those little things as
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  Speaker 4: the course of the year goes on and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 4: So football is a little different, right, you have your
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  Speaker 4: O line would be like catchers to us, and then
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  Speaker 4: you have your receivers and this and that tight ends
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  Speaker 4: and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 3: That would be like more of the position players.
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  Speaker 4: So catchers get taken care of like O line than
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  Speaker 4: the rest of them get taken care of in a
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  Speaker 4: different way.
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  Speaker 1: All it's good to hear, because, let's face it, a
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  Speaker 1: lot of starting pictures have made a lot of money,
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  Speaker 1: and I think they should spread around.
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  Speaker 5: Some of that money.
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  Speaker 1: That's going to do it for this edition of Cardinal Territory,
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  Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed it. A little rough around the edges.
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  Speaker 1: We'll see it for the next episode. Hopefully that one
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  Speaker 1: won't suck.