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Orion Kerkering joins The Phillies Show: Talks New pitch and Game 4 of NLDS · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: This is a Ryan Kirkery lug them in The Philly Show.
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  Speaker 2: Ryan Kirkering joins the show today, Ruby Tomorrow, Junior, Jim Salisbury, Todds,
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  Speaker 2: the Lucky.
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  Speaker 3: It is the Philly Show.
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  Speaker 2: Beautiful day in clear Oata and we have a lot
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  Speaker 2: of We had a lot of fun today talking with
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  Speaker 2: Ryan Kirkering.
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  Speaker 4: No doubt we were geeking out a little bit on
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  Speaker 4: some of his h pitch grips. He's spent the winter
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  Speaker 4: and spring training here learning a new pitch which he'll
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  Speaker 4: he'll tell us about. And uh, you know, he also
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  Speaker 4: talked about the difficult way last season ended, and uh,
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  Speaker 4: I think this is a really mature guy who's going
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  Speaker 4: to bounce back nicely.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a guy that a lot I mean not
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  Speaker 3: a lot of people.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody in camp is really rooting hard for, always has
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  Speaker 2: been rooting hard for, and I think you will see why.
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  Speaker 2: So here we go our chat with Oryan Kirkering. Ryan,
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  Speaker 2: thanks for coming on the show.
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  Speaker 3: We appreciate it.
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  Speaker 2: We're here Clearwater Wednesday, and you just watched Zach Wheeler
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  Speaker 2: throw a bullpen and it's kind of fun. You've seen
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  Speaker 2: a lot of you guys down there watching our bullpen
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  Speaker 2: a live VP. Yeah, what do you think Zach as
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  Speaker 2: he comes back?
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  Speaker 5: Zach just being Zach. I think just seeing his stuff
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  Speaker 5: come back. You can see the excitement out there. Like
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  Speaker 5: I said last time I was talking together. So I
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  Speaker 5: think it's just always cool to see and just a
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  Speaker 5: great calibard pitcher as much as he is, especially in
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  Speaker 5: the last few years, or what he's done for this game.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's just awesome to get every little ounce
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  Speaker 5: it can.
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  Speaker 4: I always find it interesting how these guys when when
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  Speaker 4: somebody like Zach Wheeler or anybody really throws a bullpen,
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  Speaker 4: everybody comes out and watches, and I think, there's you're
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  Speaker 4: supporting your teammate, but isn't the fan in you coming
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  Speaker 4: out as well?
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  Speaker 1: For sure?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think just seeing just what he like I said,
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  Speaker 5: what he brings to the table every single day he
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  Speaker 5: brings on the mount, especially the many times he pitches,
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  Speaker 5: I mean through the regular season, postseason, it's always great
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  Speaker 5: to see what he does.
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  Speaker 4: How about anything you've learned from a guy like that
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  Speaker 4: having him as a teammate.
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  Speaker 5: I think just his composure every time he goes out
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  Speaker 5: there like it's nothing new, just want to win a ball,
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  Speaker 5: game every single time. It doesn't matter if it's I
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  Speaker 5: I said, regular season, early April, middle dog days of August,
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  Speaker 5: where it can be hot some places, cold some places,
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  Speaker 5: or it's October red October.
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  Speaker 1: So I think it's always cool to see that.
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  Speaker 2: And you've had an interesting spring. Of course you're kind
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  Speaker 2: of coming back from this hamstring strain.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, unfortunately.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but I mean you threw.
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  Speaker 2: Your pitching a game at the Carpenter Complex on Tuesday,
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  Speaker 2: So can you tell everybody how you're doing and how
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  Speaker 2: you think you're progressing, and do you have a chance
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  Speaker 2: do you think to be on the opening day roster.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's still up in the air right now
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  Speaker 5: for opening Day. And I think obviously, as you guys know,
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  Speaker 5: it's just as a relievery never know when you're gonna throw,
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  Speaker 5: whether it's back to back, three or four pitch day,
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  Speaker 5: off pitch, off pitch, you just.
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  Speaker 1: Never know how the game's going to go.
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  Speaker 5: So I think workld wise, I think trying to figure
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  Speaker 5: out here soon next week or so before it break
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  Speaker 5: and then, but it felt really good out there and
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  Speaker 5: felt really good composure wise, stuff wise, I'm just ready
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  Speaker 5: for we've got going on.
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  Speaker 4: Next and new season brings a new pitch, absolutely, Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: and I.
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  Speaker 2: Brought a baseball, so and then that's the camera, so
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  Speaker 2: if you can show so you're throwing a splitter.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So it's kind of a mix of everything.
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  Speaker 5: So it's kind of I have a hard time pronating sometimes,
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  Speaker 5: but some guys, I'm a good superner.
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  Speaker 1: That's why I think I thoroughly go with the sweeper
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  Speaker 1: all the time.
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  Speaker 5: Just I'm so used to the supernation of it, so
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  Speaker 5: I can never like pronate and be able to have
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  Speaker 5: the how Sanchy and like other guys in the league
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  Speaker 5: have such great change ups because they have the great
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  Speaker 5: supernation of it. So for me, what we've done is
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  Speaker 5: try to kick it a little bit. So try to
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  Speaker 5: like spike the index of it and try to put
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  Speaker 5: my inside middle finger on this.
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  Speaker 1: Scene like the horseshoot here.
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  Speaker 5: That way it kicks down and it has the split
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  Speaker 5: action with it, so I can just throw it like
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  Speaker 5: a fastball and just keep the same velo or at
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  Speaker 5: least try to keep the same arm action and through behind.
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  Speaker 4: It is that the kick change we hear so much
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  Speaker 4: about it.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly this, so it just gives leeway for it.
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  Speaker 5: So like how it's released with some guys, it just
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  Speaker 5: comes out this way. So the last thing that touches
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  Speaker 5: is the middle finger. Maybe some pitches ring finger, depending
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  Speaker 5: on each guy. But how it comes out, it will
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  Speaker 5: kick over this way. And that's why I have like
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  Speaker 5: the dirty access or the dirty spin to where it
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  Speaker 5: spins and the air resistance behind it will go armside.
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  Speaker 4: Amazing the technology that's going into pitch shaping and then crazy,
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  Speaker 4: it's amazing.
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  Speaker 1: Just here here, here call the day. Now, let's let's
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  Speaker 1: do this, let's do that.
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  Speaker 5: Let's try to help you that we can throw those
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  Speaker 5: pitches that way if you're not Like back in the day,
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  Speaker 5: it was just oh, you're just not that guys, you're
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  Speaker 5: not gonna throw it.
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  Speaker 1: Now it's all right.
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  Speaker 5: We can kind of not force you to throw it,
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  Speaker 5: but we can like help you with how you throw
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  Speaker 5: as a just a different pitcher.
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  Speaker 3: You are so so okay.
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  Speaker 2: So the season ends and you're reflecting ey your season
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  Speaker 2: and you're reflecting, You're you're looking ahead at twenty twenty
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  Speaker 2: six and you're going, all right, how can I get better?
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  Speaker 2: Who first approaches you or who like who had the
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  Speaker 2: idea of the splitter? Like I think that's kind of
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  Speaker 2: interesting how this whole thing develops. Is it like a
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  Speaker 2: text from Caleb mark Lower, the assistant pitching coach, like
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  Speaker 2: a couple weeks after the season, is it you going
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  Speaker 2: to them?
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  Speaker 3: What's how does that? What's the What was the beginning
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  Speaker 3: of that process?
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  Speaker 1: I think it was just at first, kind of joking around.
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  Speaker 5: I think probably even like twenty four, just joking around
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  Speaker 5: of like let me throw a cutter, let me throw
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  Speaker 5: a curveball, just to mess with them and just like
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  Speaker 5: almost like poke a bear at them. But then like
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  Speaker 5: last year, kind of talking with it more, going through
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  Speaker 5: like the slumps and the ups and downs and kind
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  Speaker 5: of seeing like what guys are looking at since last
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  Speaker 5: year they had a full year of video on me.
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  Speaker 5: So now it's okay, now it's going to two full
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  Speaker 5: years of video on me, more experience. I know what
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  Speaker 5: pitch obviously, sweeper is to go to. So now it's like,
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  Speaker 5: what can help lay off the sweeper? I can just
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  Speaker 5: throw that more So we kind of collectively decided like, hey,
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  Speaker 5: let's try to lean on splitter and see where it
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  Speaker 5: goes versus a power cutter. Maybe that which wouldn't make
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  Speaker 5: too much sense because it's just more left or right right.
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  Speaker 5: So we're trying to find something that evens out a
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  Speaker 5: little bit, and we thought split was probably the best
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  Speaker 5: decision for it because it helps with the two seam,
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  Speaker 5: and it helps like differentirate the two and then keep
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  Speaker 5: off the sweeper.
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  Speaker 4: So basically you got one the sweeper going that way, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: and the two are going that way yep. And when
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  Speaker 4: this becomes in your arsenal, it'll go down.
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  Speaker 1: More straight down yeah, and then the four will just
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  Speaker 1: keep riding up top rail.
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  Speaker 4: And get the ball moving all those directions.
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  Speaker 2: Would want to be a hitter, I mean, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: That's why I love those videos where they shows like
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  Speaker 2: the balls and spread apart.
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  Speaker 5: That's what you're trying to, Yeah, just move it like
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  Speaker 5: throw it over like I'm trying to throw it fastball
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  Speaker 5: down the middle and sweeper off of it. Two seam
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  Speaker 5: middle in and then sweeper or splitter down and into
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  Speaker 5: a writing right. And so that those conversations started after
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  Speaker 5: the season. I know you said you were kind of joking, Okay,
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  Speaker 5: So that starts after the season, and and then you
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  Speaker 5: have to find a grip that will work for you.
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  Speaker 5: When I talked to you a couple of weeks ago,
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  Speaker 5: you said, uh, he said, basically, I went on YouTube
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  Speaker 5: and I found, Yeah, Logan Gilbert's like, Logan Gilbert's got.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe one of the best splitters in all Major League Baseball,
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, he has a video on YouTube. Does someone say,
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  Speaker 2: like go watch this or have you done this enough
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  Speaker 2: where you're like, let me look up Logan Gilbert splitter
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  Speaker 2: and see if there's a video out there of it.
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  Speaker 3: A little bit both.
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  Speaker 1: So Lowie sent me a couple pitch grips.
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  Speaker 5: Kale sent me a couple of pitch grips to kind
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  Speaker 5: of try and see, and then I was like, hell,
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  Speaker 5: you guys just said, like what pitching ninja. I'm just
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  Speaker 5: going there and see who's got it pitching ninja splitters.
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  Speaker 5: He was the first video, so just kind of looking
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  Speaker 5: through again, just picking his brain through like the video
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  Speaker 5: of it. So okay, I think what's cool is like,
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  Speaker 5: as much as a fan of what you can see
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  Speaker 5: and like at the insights of big league guys, it's
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  Speaker 5: still like it helps us because that's when we go
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  Speaker 5: on daily day basis of like picking each other's brains
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  Speaker 5: and like try to open that world of it.
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  Speaker 2: So what about that So is that basically your grip
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  Speaker 2: for the split? Is that basically how he throws his?
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  Speaker 2: I wish no, okay, okay, so it's yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's different.
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  Speaker 5: His is more like almost across the seam, So it's
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  Speaker 5: like he's almost going like fully complete just because he's
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  Speaker 5: that good and got big enough fingers. So for me,
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  Speaker 5: because I'm more sweeper, I don't think I can really
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  Speaker 5: hold that consistently and like be comfortable with that grip.
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  Speaker 5: So I think for me, it was just trying to
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  Speaker 5: find what was comfortable enough to like I can get
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  Speaker 5: my tempo and not get out of my tempo and just.
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  Speaker 1: Be ready underneath. Yeah. Yeah, so it's.
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  Speaker 5: About like right here underneath comes like a four scene
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  Speaker 5: and you're just tucking it and just letting it ride
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  Speaker 5: out of the hands and just hopefully get that dirty
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  Speaker 5: spin top spin and drop down to its amazing.
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  Speaker 4: All these pictures will show their grips on videos and
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  Speaker 4: you feel like they're giving away secrets. But I guess
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  Speaker 4: you guys all learn from each other exactly.
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  Speaker 5: I mean sometimes I know some guys will do it
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  Speaker 5: different pitchcript to mess with people and see what they say.
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  Speaker 5: Like I've heard different stories it's like, oh, this is
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  Speaker 5: how I hold.
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  Speaker 1: My my curveball like this.
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  Speaker 5: But then I've seen guys where it's like, no, this
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  Speaker 5: is actually how I hold it, and then they throw
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  Speaker 5: it this way, and so it's like it's funny. You
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  Speaker 5: just never know what type of guy you see with it,
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  Speaker 5: so it's just different. You never know who you're gonna get.
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  Speaker 5: So sometimes it's like it's a jokester, sometimes not, or
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  Speaker 5: sometimes it is just how they throw it. And then
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  Speaker 5: it's just because I think everyone knows, like with Gilbert,
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  Speaker 5: he's got the gross splitter, so it's like even though
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  Speaker 5: it's coming you can see out of the hand, it's
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  Speaker 5: like it's still hard to hit base a split finger
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  Speaker 5: fastball right right.
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  Speaker 2: And so then do you start, like you start playing
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  Speaker 2: catch with it, you know in the off season, just yeah,
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  Speaker 2: just and then do you get you get immediate feedback,
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  Speaker 2: I suppose right for sure?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure, and catch away partners see where it goes.
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  Speaker 5: Some days are better, some days are different. What kind
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  Speaker 5: of tweak because you know how it is. There's some
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  Speaker 5: days that the slider's going really good and there's other
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  Speaker 5: days it's like just going terrible. So you just don't
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  Speaker 5: want like, oh, today's just not a good day, that splitter.
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  Speaker 5: Let me change every single thing. You're just kind of like,
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  Speaker 5: let me take baby steps of like is this consistent?
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  Speaker 5: Is this getting better? Just getting worse? And try to
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  Speaker 5: tweak it from there.
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  Speaker 4: At what point in your catchplay do you say to yourself,
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  Speaker 4: I think I got it.
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  Speaker 1: It can happen quick for some guys.
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  Speaker 5: I think so, yeah, it's like that's how it was,
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  Speaker 5: like me and my sweeper, like in high school learning it.
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  Speaker 5: But I think now, like I think the sinker, I
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  Speaker 5: started to throw it in twenty three coming up, and
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  Speaker 5: then it took me almost like all twenty four to
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  Speaker 5: really get fine tune in a little bit, and then
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  Speaker 5: twenty five I felt like I was able to dot
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  Speaker 5: it up pretty good. Mostly get a lot of ground balls,
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  Speaker 5: get a lot of backdoors varieties for a hip, a
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  Speaker 5: couple lefties. But I think just overall, it takes sometimes
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  Speaker 5: the guys sometimes just that specific pitch to actually feel
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  Speaker 5: comfortable and be able to throw wherever and whenever.
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  Speaker 4: A slider sweeper, they're like cousins.
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  Speaker 1: Right basically, I think they're the same thing.
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  Speaker 5: Though you do yeah because sayang, because now I'm just
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  Speaker 5: kind of like I always called it a slider. Now
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  Speaker 5: with the new game of like, oh no, that was
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  Speaker 5: a slider, this is a sweeper. I'm just kind of
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  Speaker 5: like it's a ball that goes right to left, that's all.
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  Speaker 4: What's the grip in the armstroke like on a sweeper.
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  Speaker 5: So like for me, I know some guys are like
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  Speaker 5: more high on the horseshoe like up here, but mine's
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  Speaker 5: more like almost like a traditional curveball. And then how
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  Speaker 5: I supinated. It's like I think of like a sideways
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  Speaker 5: like curveball. So how it comes out, It comes out
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  Speaker 5: like this that pops out, and like watching video, it
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  Speaker 5: will gyro spin, but then it'll catch about maybe like
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  Speaker 5: fifty feet like right before home plate, and then I'll
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  Speaker 5: get dirty spin. So that's why it takes off so
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  Speaker 5: much like so late. So that's why I like talking
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  Speaker 5: with the hitters. It's like, no, that was a late sweeper,
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  Speaker 5: like that was a late slider, because some guys will
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  Speaker 5: have like more of the gyro spin and then it'll
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  Speaker 5: tilt a little bit last second and that's how it
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  Speaker 5: gets more the air resistance and it'll cut cross.
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  Speaker 4: Now with the with the the kick splitter, uh, huh
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  Speaker 4: Are you looking for differential off your fastball? Are you
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  Speaker 4: more looking for movement.
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  Speaker 5: Movement, move profile just because it'll help if it's the
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  Speaker 5: same velo. I think the other day I think it
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  Speaker 5: was like eighty six eighty eight, so about the same
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  Speaker 5: speed as sweeper, same general profile, at least closer than
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  Speaker 5: the two scene and stuff like that. So I think
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  Speaker 5: seeing a slower speed for lefty going away from you
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  Speaker 5: and then versus a sweeper coming at you, so I
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  Speaker 5: think it opens door a little bit between a backfoot
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  Speaker 5: sweeper or down the way split and just seeing the
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  Speaker 5: difference of like, oh I can cheat to that, it's like,
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  Speaker 5: oh no, that's going away from.
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  Speaker 3: It, okay.
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  Speaker 2: And then one other cool thing I think about learning
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  Speaker 2: a new pitch, which you had mentioned a couple of
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  Speaker 2: weeks ago, which I guess I didn't really consider, is
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  Speaker 2: that not only do you have to find the grip
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  Speaker 2: get comfortable with it, but then you also have to
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  Speaker 2: figure out how you grip the ball or when you
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  Speaker 2: grip it when you gloves so you're not like flaring
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  Speaker 2: your glove out when your splitter, So like, what's that
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  Speaker 2: is that? Is that a difficult process too to figure out?
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  Speaker 2: How you do it, because these guys are so good
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  Speaker 2: at picking tipping pitches. His Zeus got crushed two starts
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  Speaker 2: last summer exactly tipping. So what's how do you kind
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  Speaker 2: of figure out how to grip it when to grip
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  Speaker 2: it so it looks like you're all your other three pitches.
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  Speaker 5: Uh catch play a lot just during bullpens, try to
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  Speaker 5: figure out what's comfortable what's not. Like I think I
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  Speaker 5: think Gilbert does it, but I know like a lot
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  Speaker 5: of other guys do it. They'll like pre grip splitter.
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  Speaker 5: So it's like me talking with Lowe, talking with Klo,
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  Speaker 5: I'm talking with Caesar about like what they think which
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  Speaker 5: which I do, And they're like, just do whatever you
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  Speaker 5: think is comfortable, Like whatever you think you could do
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  Speaker 5: consistent and comfortable and not like it's caesarier said than
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  Speaker 5: done than tip. But just are natural as humans, we
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  Speaker 5: pattern a lot.
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  Speaker 1: So I think it's just.
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  Speaker 5: Not getting that routine of the pattern of it and
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  Speaker 5: just seeing what I can do consistently without tipping.
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  Speaker 4: Was this all good for you this winter, having a project,
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  Speaker 4: having something to focus on after the tough way things
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  Speaker 4: ended last year?
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  Speaker 1: For sure?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think just it's a working progress every single day.
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  Speaker 5: So I think having something to do, having something to
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  Speaker 5: learn a little bit more, finding something cool to do.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's what helped a lot for sure.
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  Speaker 4: What was the key kind of and bouncing back from that.
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  Speaker 5: I think just talking about it, I think more than
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  Speaker 5: anything versus kind of I won't say running away from it,
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  Speaker 5: but just like telling people how you feel about it.
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  Speaker 5: It was like, yeah, it sucks, but you gotta just
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  Speaker 5: keep moving on because it's not baseball is it's mess
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  Speaker 5: up in the first out, there's still twenty six, twenty
• 14:34
  Speaker 5: seven ounce left of the game, So it's just you
• 14:37
  Speaker 5: keep moving.
• 14:38
  Speaker 3: That's how it is.
• 14:39
  Speaker 4: You're amazingly accountable, amazingly mature, in my opinion. Where does
• 14:43
  Speaker 4: that come from.
• 14:46
  Speaker 5: I think just seeing the older guys and the veteran
• 14:49
  Speaker 5: guys on the team and just being accountable and obviously
• 14:52
  Speaker 5: just being a fan of sports. You kind of see
• 14:55
  Speaker 5: where it's like, oh that guy didn't look good, like
• 14:57
  Speaker 5: not talking to the media whether he wanted to or no,
• 15:00
  Speaker 5: or whether he liked it or not, or what happens,
• 15:03
  Speaker 5: and let the emotions get to it.
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: But I think just.
• 15:07
  Speaker 5: Even though it's it was a shitty moment, kind of thing.
• 15:11
  Speaker 5: It was just as long as you're accountable and you
• 15:12
  Speaker 5: just kind of talk about it and just let it
• 15:14
  Speaker 5: be and just say, hey, fucked up, then that's what happens.
• 15:18
  Speaker 5: And I think also just seeing how like Balm did
• 15:20
  Speaker 5: it too, I guess specifically where it's like I want
• 15:23
  Speaker 5: to say, it's a similar situation but kind of in
• 15:25
  Speaker 5: the same way where it's like, you know, you messed up,
• 15:27
  Speaker 5: but if you just stay accountable, especially in Philly, and
• 15:29
  Speaker 5: I think that's all they cared about.
• 15:32
  Speaker 4: I think the fans appreciated. I think you're gonna get
• 15:34
  Speaker 4: a standing ovation on an opening day.
• 15:36
  Speaker 5: I really do.
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: I do.
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: I do.
• 15:38
  Speaker 4: I think people and you're a human, the people in
• 15:42
  Speaker 4: the seats are human and you have that connection.
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so.
• 15:46
  Speaker 5: I think it just shows the little vulnerability and shows like,
• 15:49
  Speaker 5: hey messed up, like I said, and just I'm here
• 15:51
  Speaker 5: to keep moving on forward.
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: I mean, you had like Bradley to reach out to you.
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: If any of those guys be talking to those guys
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: since their first conversations or.
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: You know, you did have a lot of people reach
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: out to us for sure. That was pretty cool.
• 16:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, not a whole lot recently, just kind of letting
• 16:06
  Speaker 5: season go, but I'm sure he's soon reach out a
• 16:09
  Speaker 5: little bit and see how everything's going with it.
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and then I think a lot of people are
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: excited about this bullpen.
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: You start this you start this season this year with Doran,
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: you sign Brad Keller, you got Alvarado back, You're in
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: there bowling banks. I mean, Kyle Bachiss has looked really good.
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: I don't know who else is gonna be in the bullpen,
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: But what has you kind of excited about this group?
• 16:34
  Speaker 5: I think it's just a good group of guys overall,
• 16:36
  Speaker 5: on and off the field. I think just it's a
• 16:39
  Speaker 5: fun bullpen, especially with Ali being back. I think just
• 16:42
  Speaker 5: having the laughter in there. Duran's out there with the
• 16:45
  Speaker 5: laughter of it, Tanner always just talking his ears off
• 16:48
  Speaker 5: with everything and how he is, and then just kind
• 16:51
  Speaker 5: of I think everyone just being a kid out there almost.
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: I think that's what makes it fun and just kind
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: of putting each other's like foot out there for each
• 16:58
  Speaker 5: other and just kind of be on each other's back
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: and just always be there.
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: How much did the feel of the bullpen changed last
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: year when you when you got Duran.
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: I think it changed a lot in the good ways,
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: just because I think we're able to settle in a
• 17:12
  Speaker 5: little bit more.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: I would say no one was panicking.
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: Over like what we were doing or what roles were,
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: just because roles were kind of I wanna say, up
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: in the air, but it was we had a closure
• 17:22
  Speaker 5: by committeees, so we weren't sure what was going to
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: go on.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: So now I think it's sentencedone.
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: Obviously Duran's got the ninth unless obviously postseason is always different,
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: so you never know. But I think overall, it's just
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: you know that there's a group of guys that if
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: the starter gets hurt on the first pitch of the game,
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: and all we gotta do is go through one through
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: eight and just keep it close and then let Durant
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: get the ninth, or if whatever baseball happens and we
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: go to the extras for whatever reason, we got each
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: other's back to keep.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: So it's funny you mentioned we know Alvarado is just
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: loud and gregarious and laughs lot.
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: He's very funny. Uh here, he was joking around the
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: other day in the clubhouse.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: I had to walk out because I was laughing so hard.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: Banks very chatty, great guy. But you said Doron is
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: actually pretty funny. Yeah, we have not probably seen too
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: much of that. He was joking the other day about
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: his secret pitch he's throwing a split change. Yeah, he
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: was kind of laughing about it. I don't want to
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: tell you what it is, and you kind of acknowledge it.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: But he's describe his personality because that was kind of
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: I had not really seen him joking around so far,
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: but he does do.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: That a little bit.
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he's quiet about it, but he's always good. He's
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: always got a quick laughter here and there. It's never
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: I wouldn't say, like I said, it's never gonna be
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: like ALVII, but it's always just a quick, subtle like,
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: oh that was good.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: That was a good joke. And like we always try
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: to joke around as much as we can.
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: I think the more we joke around with each other,
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: I think the more comfortable we get, and the more
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: comfortable and putting each other behind each other thing helps
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: and try to build the comb already between each other
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: and push each other have that tough love moments, and
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: when you have that tough love moment or have.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: The nurturing moment.
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: When you have the nurturing moment, the learning all on
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: and off the fields of you know, me and Tanner
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: always talk all the time about mechanics of what he
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: can do better, what I can do better, and just
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: kind of pick each other's brain.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: So I think it just builds that back and forth,
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: like the brotherhood behind it.
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: Did what did you?
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: Did you?
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: What did you think the first time he saw the
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: light show Durand's Light Show?
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: Did you?
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: Could you actually see it or were you talk too
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: far away?
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: In the bull play, No, we could see it. We
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: can see it. Pretty cool. It was awesome.
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: Saw some pregame of it when they were trying to
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: test it out and stuff like that. So we're able
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: to see like the spider walking right field. So obviously
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: we couldn't see that unless we poked our heads all
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: the way out there. But it was cool to see
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: with all the fans interacting and then seeing the big
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: scoreboard and left field and just how everyone just interacted
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: him going out there.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: It was pretty cool.
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: I guess in that moment you kind of become a
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: fan a little bit. I would think, right hundred percent, yeah.
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: Because you just know, like in joking, when it's like
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: eighth inning happens and we got like a three run lead, especially,
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: it's like you almost want to take your cleats off
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: at that point, right, it's like, oh, this game's don
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: over with Durant's gonna come in and close the door
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: and nine pitches, three strikeouts and y's it.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: Well, I also know fans.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: I mean seriously, though, fans, if the Phillies are up
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: three runs are less going into the ninth inning or
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: in the eighth inning, they legitimately don't want you guys
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: to score another run if they stayed that late in
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: the game, because they get they're like.
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: Oh no, now he might not come in and pat yea,
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean.
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: It almost gets us Like I say that in my head,
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: it's like, are gonna get a boo die if we
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: go out there if it's like a.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: Five run and it's like, hey, you've been thrown a
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: couple of days, Like go through out there.
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: I'm like, I'm gonna get a bude because I'm not
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: Duran coming out with the light show.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: But no, it's always cool.
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: We talk about fans. Who was your favorite player as
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: a kid.
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: When you were young fans, Oh, there's a lot it
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: was raised fan growing up as kids. So I always
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: grew up like ben Zobris ev Longoria. That's why it's
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: fun to see, like when Ceas is here, you can
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: go through his glory days of stuff, and like through
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: the first couple of years, there'd be a few days
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: where we're just whole ship with each other. I mean like,
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: oh remember this guy, Remember that guy, and like see
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: how his personality.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Was through the team and stuff like that. So it
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: was always cool to see.
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: Did you remember do you remember the World Series against
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: Tampa Bay?
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: Oh?
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was cool. I liked it.
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: Went to the trying to think it was game one
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: or Game two when they're in Tampa. Yeah, So it
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: was pretty cool to see that way and just kind
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: of full circle of things.
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: That's awesome.
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: How many games and years you go to over there
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: as a kid.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: Like five.
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: So it wasn't like season ticket or anything, but it's
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: like if it was cool enough to go, oh, they're
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: playing Yankees, let's go watch the Yankees, because that's when
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: they had a ra Jeter Pasada canoe and they were
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: like when it was Boston, it was like big Poppy
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: Pad trying to think, gosh, Johnny Damon, think Coco Cris.
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: Towards the end of his career and stuff like that.
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: So it's kind of cool to see like those guys
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: and like grew up watching and you've pitched there.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: I haven't pitched there yet.
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: You haven't pitched there yet.
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: No next year, next year? Wow, So I got a
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: little ways to check off that bucket list.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: Did you pitch over at Steinburner Field last Yeah? Yeah,
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: that does not count.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: It doesn't count at all.
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: That does not count.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: So I'm just hoping we get back here.
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: Hopefully it doesn't mess up with the lockout next year
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: and stuff like that, and that would just mess up
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: our schedule of whatever. The hundred and sixty two we'll
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: play everyone, So hopefully just be able to play it
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: drop at some point and be cool to check off
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: that bucket list.
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: It's actually I think it's a great place to watch
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: a game. It's not the most attractive stadium from outside,
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: but the sight lines are very good and the press
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: box is excellent, great vantage point. I don't play.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: That's right, that's right. Well, Ryan Man, thanks a lot
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: for joining us. It was fun. Thanks for showing us
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: how you're gonna throw your splitty and yeah, and.
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: Showing people one more time the diving.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: Can you describe what seems shifted? Wake is?
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: I remember talking to that's that's the word throwing around
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: a lot. Yeah, And I only asked that because I asked.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: I had Mark Lloyd try to explain it to me
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: once in San Francisco. I couldn't and he went through
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: this great explanation. And then if somebody put a gun
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: in my head said what is it, I don't think
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: I could do it.
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: So I mean it's think it's similar to like the kickness,
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: like the kick change of it, Like it seems shifting,
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: so how it rotates out of the ball, Okay, and
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: so like we'll have diagrams too, where it'll be like
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: it looks like a baseball like this, and then it's
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: how you like you put pressure on it or like
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: how much pressure the ball comes out because you want
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: it like as center mass as you can.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: That way, it's like true spin, true efficiency, like true
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Rye kind of like.
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: Zax ball just because he has great extension, yeah, great
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: force behind it obviously throws hard, so like his center
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: mass is like pretty dialed in. Now some guys like
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: me just because my finger's a little wider, like I'm
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: not inconsistent because instead of throwing it like here with it,
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: I maybe throwing like that with it on the like
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: just the slightest movement of like me whatever coming up,
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: and then like the hand shifts a little bit. I
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: clipped my leve a little bit, so the ball moves
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: just even by one scene, it changes the whole ball.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: So I think it's just crazy how that one little
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: instance of.
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: It or like the I don't know.
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: For me, I'm like a texture guy, So like if
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: the ball was like too slick, I don't like it
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: at used to like the leather of it, because then
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: my my thumb can't push off on the scenes well,
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: or I can't like flick the baseball well, and it
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: has this weird like seam shifted and it moves differently
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: or like doesn't have the same movement profile or like
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: the same good feel behind the baseball.
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: In your mind when you seek all this movement. And
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: you guys are like scientists, but are you Is your
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: ball a swinging miss or weak contact?
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: Depends on the situation. Okay, there's some situations where.
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: Like Kyk when I walked to him in the last game,
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: I was like second and third obviously it's key k
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: during the postseason.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: But it's like I got free base Pius on deck.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: He wasn't doing well all the time.
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: But I think just in those situations like okay, guy,
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: free base, I'm gona try. We can miss here and
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: see what happens. And there's those situations where it's like
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: I'm trying to think like Colorado, it's very hard to
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: get strike out there, just because the irresistance on the ball,
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: the spin axis on the ball and stuff like that.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: It's hard to get good, depthy pitches there.
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: It's like there, I'm just going in trying to get
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: weak contact ground balls and just let them get out
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: of themselves.
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: It's great stuff.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: That's great stuff.
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: Man.
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Ryans again, I appreciate it.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: I appreciate it.
• 25:30
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