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And Just Like That Meghan Markle Secrets on How to Get A Man · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 1: Heather MacDonald has got the Juicy Scoop. When you're on
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  Speaker 1: the road, when you're on the go, Juicy Scoop is
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  Speaker 1: the show to know.
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  Speaker 2: She talks Hollywood tales for real life, Mr.
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  Speaker 1: Saving Serial Data and Serial Sisters. You'll be addicted and addicted.
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  Speaker 3: Fast to the number one tabloid real life podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Listen in, listen up.
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  Speaker 2: Woo, woo.
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  Speaker 1: Heather MacDonald. Juicy Scoop. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 1: I have a great interview. We're going to get to
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  Speaker 1: that in a bit, but I had to give you
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  Speaker 1: some updates on some things. And just like that, season
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  Speaker 1: three of Just Like That and Just Like That has premiered.
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  Speaker 1: And I did some posts about it. I did a
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  Speaker 1: Patreon about it. It's important that I talk to everyone
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  Speaker 1: because I've had more time to think about it. Um,
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  Speaker 1: I don't care if you're not going to watch the show.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to cover it. I am never going to
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  Speaker 1: not cover And Just Like That. And so if you
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  Speaker 1: have not seen it, skip for a few minutes because
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to spoil the opening episode, which was so
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  Speaker 1: weird and boring. Okay, there's like way too many kid stories.
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  Speaker 1: But Miranda's lesbian journey is something that is saving the show.
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  Speaker 1: It is what really, I feel like she's carrying the
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  Speaker 1: show on her back. I mean, whether it was the
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  Speaker 1: Che Diaz situation, I can't, it's, thank God, because now
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  Speaker 1: we have Rosie O'Donnell come and she's at a bar, Miranda,
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  Speaker 1: trying to, you know, trolling for pee. Okay. Just looking
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  Speaker 1: for a hot girl with a vagina and no one's
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  Speaker 1: paying attention to her and she's drinking her mocktails and
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  Speaker 1: Carrie and Charlotte come with her and they're just like,
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  Speaker 1: we'll find you. And Charlotte's like, ooh, I think that
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  Speaker 1: girl likes you.
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  Speaker 2: Look at her.
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  Speaker 1: And she's like, and then Carrie will do like one
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  Speaker 1: of her like weird little things like, hmm, well, it's
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  Speaker 1: a lady bar. You know, just trying to say something funny.
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  Speaker 1: And Miranda's just like, oh, I don't know. This is hard.
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  Speaker 1: So then anyway, Rosie O'Donnell walks up to her And
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  Speaker 1: she's like, you're so pretty. And Miranda's like, thanks. And
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  Speaker 1: then Rosie O'Donnell says, I've got a hotel room. Do
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  Speaker 1: you want to go with me? Miranda's like, yeah, I do.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, wait a minute. This is a Harvard educated
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  Speaker 1: 55 year old attorney. You are just going home with
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  Speaker 1: a complete stranger. I mean, I know there's more serial
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  Speaker 1: killers that are men than women, but there's enough. And
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  Speaker 1: you don't know this girl at all. You haven't like
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  Speaker 1: even talked all night, nothing. They end up in bed.
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  Speaker 1: And then Rosie O'Donnell reveals that not only is she
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  Speaker 1: a virgin, she hasn't been with men or women, but
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  Speaker 1: she's a nun. And I made Drake watch it. I
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  Speaker 1: didn't tell him what was coming. He had to watch it.
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  Speaker 1: And he saw the nun part and he goes, what?
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  Speaker 1: Who's writing this? You know what? I don't know. But
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  Speaker 1: that storyline kept my interest. What didn't keep my interest
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  Speaker 1: was Charlotte's dog situation and her dog walker and her
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  Speaker 1: doggy daycare. Totally boring. This other girl, I don't even
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  Speaker 1: know what her name is in the show, but Nicole Parker,
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  Speaker 1: I think is the name of the actress. Her whole family,
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  Speaker 1: her husband's running for like a government, like an election,
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  Speaker 1: like something. Who cares? He's like, I want to be cool.
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  Speaker 1: No one cares about that. And then the girl that
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  Speaker 1: is Kim Cattrall's replacement, Seema, who's a chain smoking realtor
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  Speaker 1: who is smoking in bed and burns off her hair
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  Speaker 1: and almost dies in a fire. Her story is a
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  Speaker 1: little bit more fun as a new person, a little
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  Speaker 1: bit more fun.
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  Speaker 3: They think you're done for the day, but they don't
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  Speaker 3: know about the drawer. The drawer. Just the one square
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  Speaker 3: before bed. Or two, you know. Nobody's watching.
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  Speaker 1: You deserve a treat.
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  Speaker 3: With eight flavours to choose from, you can choose the
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  Speaker 3: flavour you favour with Cadbury Dairy Milk.
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  Speaker 1: So crazy outfits, like Carrie's wearing this like strawberry shortcake
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  Speaker 1: bonnet on her head to go just get an ice cream.
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  Speaker 1: But you know what? That is what we want to see.
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  Speaker 1: If you just had her wearing like sweats to get
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  Speaker 1: an ice cream, we wouldn't be talking about it. And
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  Speaker 1: as weird as the show is, as corny as it is,
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  Speaker 1: I am watching it. However, I miss when she was
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  Speaker 1: a podcaster. And her co-host was Che Diaz and Bobby Lee,
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  Speaker 1: the comedian. And her the and then Bobby Lee revealed
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  Speaker 1: that he'd been sleeping with the network executive of the podcast,
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  Speaker 1: who was this like tyrant in a wheelchair. And I
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  Speaker 1: was like, wait, what? And then I was like, and
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  Speaker 1: then she was pregnant. Like then then this really did
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  Speaker 1: happen in the show. Then the girl who was running the.
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  Speaker 1: podcast that had slept with Bobby Lee was then pregnant
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  Speaker 1: and they never addressed who the father was or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: And then Carrie didn't want to do an ad about
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  Speaker 1: her vagina and the whole network shut down and everybody
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  Speaker 1: had to take their box of staplers, like you need
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  Speaker 1: staplers at a podcast network, and had to leave. Those
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  Speaker 1: were the times that I was like, oh my God,
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  Speaker 1: but that'll never come back because now she's going back
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  Speaker 1: to writing. She's not even going to mention a podcast
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  Speaker 1: that Who knows? But that's what's happening in it. And
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  Speaker 1: I hope that Rosie O'Donnell stays. I hope that she
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  Speaker 1: brings Miranda to church. That's what I want to happen.
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  Speaker 1: I need that storyline too. But then they were like,
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  Speaker 1: because they did all the puns. And so Carrie was like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: holy sister touristy or whatever. Because her character was also
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  Speaker 1: a New York tourist and wanted to go to Times Square.
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  Speaker 1: So they were like really mean about that. So they
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  Speaker 1: were just like teasing her like she was the biggest,
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  Speaker 1: dorkiest nun that like Miranda just couldn't shake. But it
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  Speaker 1: did kind of remind me of the old Sex and
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  Speaker 1: the Cities where they would go on dates and meet
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  Speaker 1: a weird guy. It would all be like one episode
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  Speaker 1: of just like one weird dating adventure with like some
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  Speaker 1: guy's kink. So instead of that, the kink is a
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  Speaker 1: nun who's a virgin. you know, and let me get
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  Speaker 1: to see it. It's 2025. That's life people. Okay. Um,
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  Speaker 1: also Jojo Siwa, uh, posted or her boyfriend. Yes. Jojo
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  Speaker 1: Siwa is officially has come out and is with Chris Hughes,
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  Speaker 1: who is a straight guy that she met on big
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  Speaker 1: brother who was on love Island. They have come out
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  Speaker 1: and they, um, did a photo of them cuddling what
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  Speaker 1: appears to be naked in a bed, just like Miranda
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  Speaker 1: and Rosie O'Donnell. And they're cuddling together. And she says,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's not platonic anymore. And I just think
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  Speaker 1: this is amazing because it is another one of my
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  Speaker 1: predictions that have come true that I said this generation
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  Speaker 1: will be a generation that when in finding their true sexuality,
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  Speaker 1: will experiment with same-sex partners first and then may end
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  Speaker 1: up in a heterosexual relationship, which in the past, if
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  Speaker 1: you didn't come out originally as gay, oftentimes people would
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  Speaker 1: get married young in a heterosexual marriage and then come
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  Speaker 1: out later because they couldn't come out. But now I'm like, wow,
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  Speaker 1: this is kind of interesting. Also during Pride Month, Also interesting. Also,
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  Speaker 1: she just made such a big deal. Like she was
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  Speaker 1: so like, I'm gay as fuck. Guess I'm still in
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  Speaker 1: my exes. Okay. So anyway, I think it's great. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: she's bi. Maybe she's not. Maybe she's just trying D
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  Speaker 1: out for a month. I don't know. Good for her.
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  Speaker 1: It's juicy. Also really interesting. Okay. This is, you guys
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  Speaker 1: remember the beautiful girl, Chelsea? She was on Selling Sunset.
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  Speaker 1: She was from London. She was a realtor in Manhattan Beach,
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  Speaker 1: and she fit in with all the girls because she
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  Speaker 1: would wear the chicest, most tiny, tiny, tiny outfits, and
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  Speaker 1: she could pull it off because she was extremely thin, extremely,
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  Speaker 1: extremely thin. Anyway, I followed her, and I started to
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  Speaker 1: see that She is doing all these food videos of
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  Speaker 1: her cooking, much like that, like a Ballerina Farms person
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  Speaker 1: or that other girl that's the other one that, I
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  Speaker 1: forgot her name, the other girl that's like a gorgeous
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  Speaker 1: model who like is like, my kids were tired and
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  Speaker 1: I decided they would perk up if I made them
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  Speaker 1: homemade blueberry scones. So I started with this. So she's
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  Speaker 1: kind of doing like that. But she's like eating. She's
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  Speaker 1: doing a lot of videos where she's just looking gorgeous
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  Speaker 1: and like eating chicken wings. And it gets like 96,000 likes.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm like, what's going on?
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  Speaker 3: On?
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  Speaker 1: And she has, her body has changed because of her diet.
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  Speaker 1: She looks amazing because she's gorgeous. But I, again, it's
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  Speaker 1: kind of interesting because all we are seeing in the
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  Speaker 1: world of Ozempic and JLP1s and all that is that
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  Speaker 1: people are making dramatic transformations as, and becoming thinner and smaller.
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  Speaker 1: And she is going a more curvy route. And she
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  Speaker 1: was always so thin before, but she's, you know, in
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  Speaker 1: the show, we see that her husband cheated on her.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, maybe she's just like, oh my God, I
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  Speaker 1: have been denying myself delicious food my entire life as
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  Speaker 1: I was pursuing modeling and marrying this a-hole and, I
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  Speaker 1: want some fucking chicken wings and I still look amazing.
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  Speaker 1: I still look gorgeous, which she does. And anyway, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, I just was like, wow, we don't normally
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  Speaker 1: see that unless it's like for a movie role. And
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  Speaker 1: she's just like loving life and good for her. I
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  Speaker 1: remember I one time was talking to this woman in
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  Speaker 1: the Hamptons and she was very thin and she was like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, 65 years old and Herve Leger was, dress,
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  Speaker 1: flat as stomach. Okay. And I'm like, how have you
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  Speaker 1: maintained your figure all these years? Like you're at these
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  Speaker 1: lavish parties. Like I just, I mean, how? And she
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  Speaker 1: just goes, I've been starving for 65 years. And I'm like, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So Chelsea was probably starving too. Good for her. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Little update on the Diddy trial. It's awful. It's horrible things.
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  Speaker 1: There's an assistant on the stand that was on Friday
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  Speaker 1: and she's on Monday and saying that she was essayed
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  Speaker 1: by Diddy, all these awful things that happened, spaghetti thrown
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  Speaker 1: at her, terrified. But one thing she said was Diddy
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  Speaker 1: would get high for important board meetings, but also one
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  Speaker 1: time he was intoxicated or high when he came on
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  Speaker 1: Chelsea Lately. So people sent me the video. They've pulled
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  Speaker 1: up the Chelsea Lately video from the archives. I remember
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  Speaker 1: when P. Diddy came. He was one of the very,
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  Speaker 1: very few people that were like very late. He was
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  Speaker 1: very late. He was like well over like an hour
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  Speaker 1: or so late. And he was a big get. Like
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  Speaker 1: we were excited to have him. That was a big name.
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  Speaker 1: And as more time passed, you know, what I recall
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  Speaker 1: is that they were just going to pull it. She
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  Speaker 1: was just like, I am not waiting around. We never
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  Speaker 1: were late to start. If you've ever gone to a
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  Speaker 1: taping of our show back in the day, we never
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  Speaker 1: started late. We were always on time. So, you know, it,
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't something that we were used to or that
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  Speaker 1: we wanted, but watching the clip. Yes. And I do
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  Speaker 1: remember that it was weird and everything, but I didn't
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  Speaker 1: necessarily think that he was like wasted. I just thought, yeah, whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe he had a drink, but that was just kind
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  Speaker 1: of an interesting thing that came out of it. Also,
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  Speaker 1: Ray J, this is from the Neighborhood Talk. Ray J
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  Speaker 1: did this interview, or I don't know if this is
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  Speaker 1: a stream or what, where he is talking about Suge Knight,
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  Speaker 1: where Suge Knight essayed men and women. And he is
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  Speaker 1: getting so graphic and just telling the story like, you know, no,
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't Diddy. It was Suge Knight that was like
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  Speaker 1: taking everyone's manhood or whatever. And I'm like, what? I
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  Speaker 1: just couldn't believe that this is like happening. And then
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  Speaker 1: he gets into like, yeah, I was talking about Suge Knight.
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  Speaker 1: I never talked badly about P.
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  Speaker 4: Diddy.
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  Speaker 1: And I can't believe I got in a fight with
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  Speaker 1: his sons. They didn't understand that I was not dissing
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  Speaker 1: their dad. I was talking about Suge Knight. And then
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  Speaker 1: Amber Rose comes on and she says like, yeah, that's
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  Speaker 1: the story I know. And what do you think's happening now?
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  Speaker 1: with him in prison. And then like TMZ and all
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  Speaker 1: these people are doing interviews with Suge Knight in prison.
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  Speaker 1: And this is all going on while the Dini trial
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  Speaker 1: is coming out and people debating if the prosecution's doing
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  Speaker 1: good enough job to get them on the racketeering. Do
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  Speaker 1: these people really want to be there? And then these
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  Speaker 1: women pour out their heart on the stand and they
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  Speaker 1: say the most horrible things. And then they bring up
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  Speaker 1: the fact that like, maybe they texted them, you know,
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  Speaker 1: after they were no longer working there, just to be like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: Merry Christmas or something. I don't know. It's a lot,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm just bringing up the juicy parts of it
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  Speaker 1: because otherwise this is too dark and depressing. Okay, one
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  Speaker 1: more thing about Karen Reid, and then we're going to
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  Speaker 1: get to our interview. Okay, this guy, Jared Mural, he
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  Speaker 1: is doing videos talking about the Karen Reid case. And
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  Speaker 1: one thing he did himself, this is not something that
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  Speaker 1: was in the trial, but it's amazing. He pulled up
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  Speaker 1: the autopsy picture of the victim, John O'Keefe, of his
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  Speaker 1: skull and where there was, you know, something that happened
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  Speaker 1: to his skull. OK, so they think it's because she
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  Speaker 1: hit him with her car and then he hit the
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  Speaker 1: back of his head. And then, of course, the defense
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  Speaker 1: thinks he went into the house and there was a
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  Speaker 1: confrontation in which he had had trauma there that caused.
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  Speaker 1: So what this guy has matched up with the X-ray
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  Speaker 1: of the autopsy video picture of the victim was He
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  Speaker 1: thinks that one of the shapes of this wound on
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  Speaker 1: the head, this unique shape, is from a weight that
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  Speaker 1: he realized was photographed in that basement weight room at
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  Speaker 1: the Elberts' house. So his theory is they were down there.
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  Speaker 1: That's also where maybe the dog was who maybe then
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  Speaker 1: leapt and was scratching or trying to break up whatever
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  Speaker 1: fight happened. His theory is someone in that house, they
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  Speaker 1: got in a fight with John O'Keefe, grabbed this like
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  Speaker 1: free weight that you would put on like a barbell
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  Speaker 1: that is photographed from the photos in the house, hit
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  Speaker 1: him on the head with that. And then there was
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  Speaker 1: another weird shape that he couldn't figure out why that
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  Speaker 1: would be indented in his skull. And he realized it's
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  Speaker 1: the metal part of like a baseball cap that John
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  Speaker 1: was wearing. So he might've been wearing the hat and
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  Speaker 1: then the weight hit him in the head in a fight,
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  Speaker 1: leaving also the indentation of this little metal part on
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  Speaker 1: the back of a baseball cap. I mean, I'm just
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  Speaker 1: putting it out there. If someone doesn't know about this video,
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  Speaker 1: get it to the defense because it was Jared Mural.
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  Speaker 1: It was pretty darn... compelling of what could have happened. And,
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  Speaker 1: you know, none of us are doctors, so someone else
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  Speaker 1: could say, no, that's something else. But I thought that
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  Speaker 1: was really interesting. So the prosecution on the Karen Reid
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  Speaker 1: case has And now the defense is going to do
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  Speaker 1: their whole thing, bring up all those witnesses, all the
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  Speaker 1: Albert people, and then the prosecution will have another chance
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  Speaker 1: to do a rebuttal to that. So there's still like
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  Speaker 1: a long time to get through this case. All right,
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  Speaker 1: you guys. Now I am so excited because we did
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  Speaker 1: a great interview with the pop apologists and they know
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  Speaker 1: all the juicy scoop on everything and we get into it.
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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Juicy Scoop. So much to get into.
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  Speaker 1: I'm very excited to have new guests. They are podcasters themselves,
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  Speaker 1: and they are sisters, which I love. They are known
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  Speaker 1: as pop apologists. Welcome to Juicy Scoop. We've got Lauren,
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  Speaker 1: the older sister, but not by much, and you wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: be able to tell because they're both gorgeous blondes with
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  Speaker 1: just the most perfect P complexion. And Chandler, welcome. And
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  Speaker 1: you guys are doing great. I love that you like
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  Speaker 1: do deep, deep dives in pop culture stuff. And we
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  Speaker 1: know how you met because you're sisters. But like, Give
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  Speaker 1: us just a little background on where you got to
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  Speaker 1: it and building your business and all that, working together. Okay.
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  Speaker 4: So this actually kind of ties back to you a
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: little bit because I remember where I was when you
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: announced you were going to twice a week.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: She's a super fan.
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: And I remember the joy it brought me.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: It felt like Christmas morning as an adult.
• 20:24
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: I feel like I had a moment at school where
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: I thought this would be so fun to do. And
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: also if I could like make people as happy as
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: your show made me like 10 years ago, I would
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: just have been so thrilled.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: So we started the show at BYU, a Mormon college.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Oh, really? We did.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: But then our parents caught wind of it and it
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: was kind of R-rated.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: So wait, you were doing the podcast how many years ago?
• 20:48
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: So basically.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: Or like a YouTube?
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: In 2016, we recorded a few episodes. 10 episodes. 10 episodes.
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: Oh.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: Like.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: Remember when Orlando Bloom had those nudes?
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: Well, we had things to say about them.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: So we released a couple episodes. And but our so
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: our parents are very Mormon. They found out about this.
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: Like they found out about the podcast and that it
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: was PG-13 slash R-rated. And they said, you have 24
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: hours to take down the podcast or else we're going
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: to cut you off from the phone bill.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: And $ 60 a month to us at the time was
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: like not something we were willing to risk.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: So how many school grades were you guys apart?
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Well, I was five.
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: I was a little, thanks Chandler. I was a little
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: late to getting in the game of life. And so
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: Chandler and I were at college at the same time.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: Okay, great. I love that.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: It was the best.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: Did you live together? We did.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: We shared a bed.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:40
  Speaker 7: Oh, really?
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: I love it. I lived with my sister too. Okay.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: So when I got out of college, undergraduate USC, she
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: had just finished like law school or a little bit
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: after that. And I needed a roommate and she needed
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: a room. So we had like a few years together
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: where we lived like in Brentwood in LA and different
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: apartments and stuff. And it was so, it was, it's
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: so great. If you get along with your sister, it
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: is so great to live as young adults. together. It's like,
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, back then you had an actual phone and
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: a phone bill and it's like, we didn't have to
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: split stuff. We didn't have to, you know, it was
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: just like, we just paid part of the rent and
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: the rest just like worked out. And so there was
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: not all the weird roommate stuff that I'd had in
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: the past. So I love that you guys are so close.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: I can relate to that.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 22:27
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: We, um, so we, we are super close and we cut,
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: you know, we quit the podcast immediately because we couldn't
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: lose a 60 bucks a month.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: And then we were like, we'll scrub.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: The internet of it. Not a problem.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: We hate it.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: We don't, we'll never do this again. Did you call
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: it Papa Paul just back then? Yes. Same logo.
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: And so what's funny about it is now I just
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: look back because we restarted in 2020 once we were
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: financially free. And I just look back, if we had
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: continued in 2016 when not everyone and their mother and
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: aunt had a podcast, it would have been an easier road, perhaps.
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: But anyway, we restarted in 2020. And yeah, we have
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: just been going for about five years now. And it's
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: been really fun. It's a very, very hard job. And
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: so I just have to say, I have so much
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: respect for what you do. Because to do it by
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: yourself and to have so much recall... it just takes
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: a really, really smart brain. So I don't think people
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: like really understand how smart you have to be to
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: do what you do.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Very nice. That's not the only reason I had you
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: on the show is to compliment me, but no, it's
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: a specific skill. I see why, I understand why it's
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: like all in my feed is just people sitting down
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: and having conversations and a lot of them are talking
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: about the same subjects and And I can see why,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: you know, I actually think now this is like the
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: new rich woman thing to do. It's like instead of
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: being a pop star and hiring someone to like make
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: you music or whatever, now it's like I'll just have
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: my own talk show that I'll put on and I'll
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: hire the right people and we'll get the right set
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: and we'll just talk about, you know, the stuff. And
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: so sometimes I watch it and I'm like, oh, my God.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: But then I realize, no. It doesn't matter what, even
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: though we're all talking about the same stuff, people have
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: different takes and you're kind of attracted to whatever the
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: person is. Like I have my favorite different podcasts, not
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: even in this genre, that I'll like, I could go
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: find something else when they're on a break, but I'm like, oh,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: I'll just wait. Like I just, so I get it,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: but I think it's great if it's something you really
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: love and you're really into it. But I do think
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: for many people, they do drop out of it because
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: they don't realize that that you get burnt out. Like,
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: you can get burnt out, for sure. Oh, yeah.
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: And I mean, just speaking transparently, you know, we'll be sisters,
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: you know, we're sisters, we'll be kind of maybe in
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: a little tiff, but then we gotta record.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: So it's like, we gotta put a pause on our little,
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: you know, quarrel about whatever. And we gotta, like, you
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: have to bring the energy and, you know, it's a
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: tiring job. I'll ask, how long will Michelle Obama last podcasting?
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: That's my question.
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: Well.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Um, you know, again, brought the brother. I mean, it's like,
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: people are just like, who's the closest vicinity that like
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: needs a job that I can bring on, that I
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: can do something. And I think what happens is everyone
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: listens to it and they're like, well, I have an opinion.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, I, that's me. I used to watch Oprah
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: and I'd be like, I thought like I would maybe
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: be like a producer on Oprah. Like I always loved that.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: And then of course, then when I got Chelsea lately,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: it was the topics and everything and just a transition
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: of just what I'm into. But like, um, No, I
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: think like anything she'll get, you know, if it doesn't,
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: if it's not consistent, I also say, I think it's
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: for big stars, it's reading the comments that you were
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: never aware of reading when you were doing movies or
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: something like that, because you think you have a great
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: episode and you go to your YouTube or whatever. And
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: someone's like, I hated this guest or, you know, you
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: did this or, you know, um, Heather mispronounced a word. Oh,
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: by the way, I said on my last week's episode,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: I had Jessica Rothschild, who has a podcast about SoulCycle
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: in New York and the weirdness. And I said spinners.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: And I thought spinners were girls that actually were little
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: tiny girls that did spin class. Yeah.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: That's what I thought too.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: But I also thought it was spinning on a deck.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: I thought it was both. So people were like, Heather,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: that's not what it is. It's that you're small enough
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: for a guy to like spin you around while you're
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: on him. And let's not have your parents listen to
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: this episode. And so a lot of people were sending
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: me definitions and everything. And so I like being corrected.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, because I said, oh, Patty Stanger.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: When Patty Stanger would talk about spinners, I did think
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: she meant little fitness girls on spinner bikes. I did
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: not know. And that was a guy's type. I did
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: not think that she was talking about the sexual thing.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: But anyway, so but getting back to I think sometimes
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: with people. besides running out of stories, running out of guests.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: And now when everybody also has a podcast, it's going
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: to be harder to get your best friends to do
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: your show. So you got to be able to hold
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: it on your own. And then I also just think it's,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: it's reading the criticism and just being like, Oh, fuck
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: you guys. You know, like, like, you know, even though
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: 95% of your people love you or aren't going to
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: write at all. It's like, you just feel like, Oh
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: my God, I'm being, I'm reading these comments. I'm being bashed.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: And I think for a lot of people that have
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: the luxury of not needing to do it, then, you know,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: then it falls along the wayside.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: Well, it's also the content machine that you have to feed.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: It's like, you know, Michelle Obama's got to get her
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: three reels up, you know, with her promos from the episodes.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: Just like, Michelle, you got to post those. Right.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: And just, right. But they have these huge teams, you know,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: and that's the other thing is like, yeah, for anybody else,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: even people at a level of success, it's still a
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: lot on, at least for me, it's a lot on me.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: I understand other people have, and they can just leave
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: and walk away. But like, I, Um, but anyway, let's
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: get into, because I want to talk about Mormon and
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: then I also want to talk about some other juicy things,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Meghan Markle. And so let's talk a little bit about
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: your Mormon life, raising, being raised and what is your,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: what did you think? Did you know about mom, mom,
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: tick tock, or were you, did you just like, how
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: did you discover it before the show came? secret lives
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: of Mormon wives. Yeah.
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: So we had a highlight reel on our Instagram called
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: cringe talk and it was all of the girls dancing.
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: We just thought it was so embarrassing. We kind of
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: making fun of them because we just thought it was
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: so cringe. So it was actually shocking to us to
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: have the show come out and kind of, kind of
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: fall in love with a lot of them and find
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: them to be so delightful and funny.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: Um, but no, we, yeah, we saw them on Tik
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: TOK before who the.
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: Hulu show and little did we know that we would
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: just fall in love with Taylor, Frankie Paul as well.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: Who on camera is just so much more likable, I think,
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: than on TikTok.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: I mean, and I think just to go back to
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: like our Mormon background, I knew that there were swingers
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: in Utah.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Like I'd heard those rumors. I'm not a swinger.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: And they were the soft swinger or full-blown swing?
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: I knew about full-blown swinging.
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: I knew about like you put the pineapple in your
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: grocery cart to signal to other people at the grocery
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: store that you are interested. You put it on, you know,
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: all the pineapple paraphernalia.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: Right. Right.
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: I knew about that in Utah, but I.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: Didn't realize how young it was, I think.
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: It was like all these younger couples were doing it,
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: but we were actually, so we're from, we're not from Utah.
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: We were like born and raised in Orange County.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But we went to school in Utah, to BYU.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: Oh, but you went to like high school and everything
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: in Orange County.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, public school.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: And was it hard, were you friends with people that
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: didn't go to the church or like was it a
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: weird thing to explain what your religion was to friends
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: that weren't Mormon?
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: I feel like even in Southern California, it was pretty known.
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: So it wasn't weird to explain it. I honestly, I
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: personally was not super into it from very young, like,
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: 13 years old.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: It was just like, hey, not for me. I will attend,
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: but it's not for me.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: Is there, like, levels of Mormonism, like, Um, you know,
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: like how there's, you know, the three levels of Judaism,
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: like conservative reform or Orthodox, like Orthodox being the most
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: strict about what you wear and your hair and all that.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Is there like that? Like there's the ones where you,
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: the garments and this and that. And then there's ones
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: where you're just like, I don't drink. I occasionally have
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: a diet Coke, but I love the church and I
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: go and I pray to God. And like, is there
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: like that level? Cause then we have that, like, it's
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: called cafeteria Catholics.
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Where you just sort of pick and choose, like maybe
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: you use birth control, but you go to church. Yeah.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: Identify as Catholic, but like not every rule you'd follow.
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: There's nothing, I would say there's no formal language like
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: for anything like that. I would say most people who
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: are Mormon are devout, following all of the rules.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: So did you ever have the underwear?
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: No, but that we never were, we never advanced to
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: that level because we both left the church before doing that.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Oh. But like.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: You know, we weren't—I wasn't— So what's the underwear?
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: It's only when you're married?
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: It's one— yeah, basically you go through the temple.
• 30:57
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: And you do that either before you serve a mission,
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: you know, if you're a boy or a girl, or
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: before you get married in the temple. You have to,
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: like— it' s like this higher level of, like, a promise with God,
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: and that's when you get your garments.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: But we never did that. Like, Lauren left when she
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: was 13. I left, you know, mentally when.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: I was 17. And had your parents let you just
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: not go to church on Sunday?
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: No, I had to go, but I.
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: Just couldn't—I just didn't want to— Mormonism is such an
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: intense religion to be raised in. And so you're constantly
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: speaking in the language of it, even at home. So
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: it'd be like, oh, does Heavenly Father want you to
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: wear that tank top? And so I'd constantly have to
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: like reaffirm belief in the system. And so I felt
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: like I was lying all the time. So I just
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: had to like sit my parents down and say, I
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: don't actually believe this is true, but I will attend.
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: I just can't like keep speaking in the language of
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: it anymore. You have to know, like, you know, I
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: have to live with some integrity here. And so that was,
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: that was my situation. And Lauren and I shared a
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: Jack and Jill bathroom. I was very believing until I was,
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: until I wasn't when I was 17. And I just
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: remember like, knowing that Lauren didn't believe and kind of
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: being like afraid of her, just like, oh, like, I
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: don't want to get too, too close.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: Are you the only kids?
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: No, there's six kids.
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: Oh, so what numbers are you?
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: So five and you're three.
• 32:06
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: Where's Four? What's she up to?
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: Four is our brother. He lives in New York as well. Actually,
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: so there's six kids.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: Only one is still practicing Mormon.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: It's our youngest sibling.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: And that's who's getting all the inheritance?
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: Basically, yeah. That's who got the Volvo. That's who got the, exactly,
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: the nice Volvo, the nice car.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Okay, so tell me what you, like,
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: so what are you thinking of the show? Did you know,
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: do you, besides following them on TikTok before they became,
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, the show is really, blown up this season.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: It's very juicy. I've talked to someone about it. All
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: the marriages are ending. They're on second, third marriages. They
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: talk about the full-blown swinging that they've done, where it's like...
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, that one scene where Taylor, Frankie, Paul... like
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: goes to the confessional and corrects the front and was like, oh,
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: it wasn't just kissing. We were screwing our husbands next
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: to each other on a bed. All four of us
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: were in a shower together. You and I dry humped
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: each other and other husbands that weren't ours were also
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: videotaping it. I was like, I have to like go
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: back and like watch it again. And I'm like, I
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: guess at this point you got nothing to lose. You've
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: already showed your life to the world. You might as
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: well just say it all and ride this wave. Because
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: there's no point in keeping any secrets. But it's like
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: crazy because I'm like, now, are any of those girls
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: showing up on Sunday after everyone at the church binged
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: the Hulu show? Like, how weird is that?
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: So some of them definitely are.
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: And I think that's one magical piece of the show
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: is that half of them are really trying to actually
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: be active Mormons, even though they've dabbled in some things
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: that they wish they hadn't. I feel like when it
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: comes to mom talk, I feel like the part of
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: it that maybe people don't know is that in Utah,
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: it's way more common to kind of be maybe like
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: a cafeteria Catholic type Mormon because.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: Everyone around you is Mormon. So your boss is Mormon.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: Your family's Mormon. To leave it, I think, is such
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: a bigger deal in the community.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: Got it.
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: So there's so many more people who kind of just
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: go on Sundays but then do what they want on
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: their off time.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: Because they don't want to be ostracized by fully leaving. Yeah, exactly,
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: from the entire community.
• 34:24
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I feel like when it comes to the
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: swinging and all of that, I mean, there's just nothing
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: in the Book of Mormon where it talks about swinging.
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: So God did not have any specific guidelines about showering
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: with other couples.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: There's no hard and fast rules in the scriptures.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: But then where does the having several wives come from?
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: I know that's not part of Mormonism, but at one time,
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: way back when, it was. Why did... the church say,
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: we no longer think this is what God wanted?
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: I think because they were under a lot of pressure
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: from the government, from the government, essentially, to quit this practice.
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: What they will say, you know, in Mormonism, it's termed
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: as like a revelation. That happened to the prophet at
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: the time. But I think it was actually just at
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: the time there was Mormons were heavily persecuted for this
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: practice because it was really like it was tearing up
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: communities and really bad for women.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: And when did when did that happen?
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: I think like after Brigham Young, after like the second
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: prophet of the church.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: But like what year? Like 1800s. Oh, OK. 1900s.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: Like not definitely not recently.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: OK. OK.
• 35:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: OK. I get it. So this was kind of juicy.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: This just popped up. about the girls. So Jessie, who's
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: the oldest of the group, she's the hairdresser and has
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: the money because she actually has a successful business. She
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: calls out the fact that Demi's older husband, she says,
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: a 47-year-old washed-up loser who can't hold a job and
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: asked my husband, this is what Jessie's writing, and I
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: for 10 grand just a few months ago so he
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: could pay the bills. So they're in a beef, even
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: though they look exactly alike. And they were friends at
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: one point. And it sounds to me like the beef
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: comes down to that Marciano, who since looks like he's
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: been on the Ozempic. Because he looks way thinner than
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: he was sweating in the Italian villa. But he was
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: the one that was flirting with Demi. Then, so there
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: was an illusion that there was, they were alluding that
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: there was something going on with them. I heard from
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: my guests that they had each other's locations, but so
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: does Sheena Shea. Okay. So whatever. I don't know what
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: that is about. Whatever. But she said, no, nothing happened.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: But yes, they would FaceTime each other. Now it turns out,
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: according to Sheena Shea, that it was Jesse and they
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: all hung out one night in L.A. doing press. And
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: Jesse and he, it appears... He had to spend the
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: night in her hotel room because it just got too late.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: There's no Ubers.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: And he didn't feel like paying for another room. And
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: she had a little pull-out couch. But she's also now
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: separated from her husband.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: Oh, she is separated from her husband now.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: Or she says, we're trying something out.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: I think she said it's tricky or something. It's tricky.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: It's complicated, yeah.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: Well, first of all, this guy is not attractive.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: No.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: And he's not worth throwing it all away for.
• 37:32
  Speaker 6: I mean, he is.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: The less attractive, less interesting Jax Taylor.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: Like by a thousand.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: And I've said they have the same voice. And I
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: feel like he and the pretty blonde girl who I
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: had on my show, who they were born for a
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: girlfriend back in Vegas. I feel like that was, oh
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: my God, we found our Stassi and Jax, like build
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: the show around. But yeah. Ew.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: So what you see on, so can I spoil something?
• 37:57
  Speaker 7: Yes, please.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: So in the very last episode.
• 38:00
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: Layla. The girl who's divorced, who has new tits and
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: dating not a cute guy.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: Yes, who's still working on the orgasm.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: She meets up with him at like a ski resort.
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: He happens to be in Deer Valley.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: She meets up with Marciano.
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: From Vanderpump Villa. To get to the bottom of, you know,
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: what happened.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: She's an investigator now. Yes.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: And he basically says, you know, it was never Demi,
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: it was Jesse.
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: And he says that the affair has continued. And that's
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: like the way the season ends.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: Oh. Yeah.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's pretty juicy. Good for them.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: Good for them for actually fucking and for giving us
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: what we want, which is when you watch these shows,
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: you want to see marriages fall apart.
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: Sorry.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: It's horrible. Though I think the valley is getting a
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: little too much for me. But yeah, I mean, it
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: is juicy. So but it's it's like crazy.
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: To Chandler and I talk about how it's so similar
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: to Vanderpump Rules when it first began in that it's
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: really messy.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: It's showing these people who are cheating on each other,
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: who have these these lives that are falling apart. But
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: with Mormon wives, they also are married with three children.
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: And it's just like the stakes are so much higher.
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: And so I actually think it's even better because it's
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: not like, oh, will they get engaged or not?
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: It's like, what is she going to do, you know?
• 39:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: And then they're also hooked into being famous, making easy
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: money from this, you know, influencer world. And then these
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: other chicks with their long locks. they're trying to get
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: in and they're like, I don't, we don't want to
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: share the pie with them. What was the story that
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: I heard, Henson, that somehow Demi wanted to get rid
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: of Jesse, like cut her out of it so there'd
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: be more in the pie and they would make more
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: money per person? What is that?
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: What we heard or what we saw on the show
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: is that she basically said to, you know, Hulu producers
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: or whatever, you know, kick Jesse off and give me
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: more money because I'm the star.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm the fan favorite.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: And how did they find that out?
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: Well, Jesse, I guess, got on this call and that's
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: where she heard, I think, Brett, Demi's husband, kind of saying,
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: you know, give Demi more money.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, Brett was demanding more money. And he said,
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: we're all gonna walk if we don't get more money.
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: And Jessie, I guess, was not prepped before she got
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: on the call that they had all kind of decided
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: to band together. And so she said- All the TikTok moms. Yeah,
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: and so she said, I'm not gonna walk. And then,
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: so I think that's what Demi was willing to throw
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: her under the bus and have her off the show
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: so that they could get, so that- Well, I.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Wanna say, smart, Demi. Yeah. Like, pull of friends. I mean,
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: we know you're not making any money. We know that
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: you're like, you know, the show is a huge hit.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: There are no residuals. You certainly can pay these people
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: a few thousand more an episode, and Hulu's not going
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: to go under.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: It's their number one show on Hulu.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, you do have to band together. Otherwise, you
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: will just be making a 4% raise like that your
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: original contract says. So, like, good for them.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: Well, Jessie's also a millionaire. Like, she doesn't need the money. She's, like, super, like.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: Low off. Yeah, because of her hairline.
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, and then we find out in the season
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: that— What? Demi said to Taylor, hey, don't go to
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: her salon. She's actually not that great at hair color
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: or something. She was like, I don't know about, you know,
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: Jay-Z styles.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: And we find this out like in the second to
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: last episode that Demi said that behind Jesse's back. It's
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: a huge drama. Huge drama. That was like, don't go
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: get your hair done there. Do you feel like you're
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: losing brain cells hearing about this show?
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: No, no, I'm not. No, I feel like, I feel
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: like it's fun. Like it is. It's, it's again, it's classic.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: Like Shakespearean, but instead of Shakespeare, we have Housewives. It's
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: a classic storyline of tearing down another woman's business, revealing rumors.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: So many times when I would read a description of
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: a real housewife story or a recap or something. It
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: reminds me of when I'd have to read Shakespeare and
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: we'd get these things called cliff notes. And the way
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: they would explain, and then this person wasn't aware and
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: they went into the garden. And what, you know, Romeo
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: really said was this, And then she ran over to
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: Othello and said that. And then that was the misconception,
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: which then caused him to kill this person. I mean,
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: it is like it's classic Shakespearean, but in the reality
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: world of like marriages, businesses, fame, like it's all the
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: same themes, but we have our own thing going and
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: it repeats and it shows itself. whether the women are
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: 50 or, you know, 28. Right.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: And we like watching it over and over and over again.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: It's amazing. Okay, let's talk about Meghan Markle because Meghan Markle,
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: I am fascinated by her. So thank you, Meghan. But
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: Meghan Markle, according to Daily Mail, hints that she may
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: never restock her sellout jam because she wants to step
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: back and assess the as-ever brand. This comes at her
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: final episode of Of the season of her podcast.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: That was the last episode? I'm like, the final episode?
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: The final episode of a woman that talks about how
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: busy she is all the time working. And I'm like,
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: we already know that you did the other boring ass
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: podcast that paid you $ 20 million. Then the other network
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: comes and gives you this one, talking to a founder.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: female founders or whatever the name of it is. I
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: don't even know. And again, it's just her talking to
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: other really rich women that, um, consider themselves business women
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: and are on about like how hard it is to
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: be a woman in a man's world. And it is like,
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: I just want to like, it's so archaic, like, you know,
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, my mom went to college in the 50s
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: because you could. And her dad was like, don't take
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: this scholarship at Catholic University to be an actress. Go
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: to Wisconsin. It's a big school. Be a journalist. Like,
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: have a real job. Like, whatever. And then she got
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: a whole other career in real estate. Like, I'm old.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: We work. It is not, like, I just don't get
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: this whole idea of where it's like, Well, and then
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: that's what it is. There's so many cringing moments. And
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: I love that she has a podcast because she releases
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: the cringe. And of her being like, and, you know,
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: I was with Arch. And I was going to, he
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: likes to read stories. And I need to cherish that time.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: And I laid in bed with him. And I cuddled
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: with him. Even though I had several business meetings in
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: the morning, I laid with him. when your child is four,
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: you lay with them. When your child is four, you
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: read them a book and dah, dah, dah, dah. And those,
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: and if you're a working mom, you're going to look
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: back and there's going to be a lot that you
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: don't totally remember on either end, but we're all doing it.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: And it's like this idea. And then to act like,
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: and then I, I pick up my, my child and
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: I have to do the, um, the, the, the drop off.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: And it's like from six 30 to nine 30. It's,
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: and then, We know that either it's he who's doing
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: it or the nannies or maybe someday she does it.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: But it's this constant thing. And I'm like.
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: No, my grandma was a waitress from 14 to 77.
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: She had four kids.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: Single mom. Ex-husband was an alcoholic.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: Now was she Mormon?
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: No, not Mormon.
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: And she never congratulated herself for having a stable home
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: life for her children, just paying the bills, being a
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: great person.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: I never heard the.
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: Level of self-congratulations out of her mouth. Megan, it is
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: so wild to hear her say, I saw that quote
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: where she said that Archie lost his tooth.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: Oh, there was tooth for.
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: A long time. And she cuddled him all night, even
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: though she had meetings in the morning. And that's the
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: kind of thing that gives her more strength as a
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: boss and founder.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you, through all the tooth fairy things, there
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: was a time where, like, I forgot to put the money,
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: you know, and then he's like, comes in and like,
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: where's my tooth? And I'm like, oh my gosh, wait,
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: let's look a little harder. And then like, I had
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: this money and I like slipped it under a pillow.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: And then I was like, oh, it fell down. You know, like,
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: we all have those stories that it's fun, whatever. But,
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: you know, now we'll have to hear about everyone's life
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: on their podcast because we've I've created this nightmare for everybody, but, um, no,
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: but she, so, so anyway, I had said when I
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: heard what her show was going to be about interviewing
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: female entrepreneurs.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: It's never been done before.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: I'm like, Oh my God. And here we got the
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: Spanx girl. And sure enough, she had the Spanx girl
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: as her final episode. Um, and they are good friends
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: and they talked about, um, They talked about high heels. And,
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: you know, Megan has, you know, very small ankles and
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: she's 65 pounds with each child. And she had to
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: wear those heels with Archie because she was she was
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: the princess and she had to wear the pointy heels.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: And it was so painful that she almost fell forward
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: in in her own face. And, you know, it's just
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: a horrible time for her. And thank God this Spanx
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: girl has made this thing called Sneaks. Now, this was
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: a year ago, so I think it was a total bomb,
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: and now she's doing another version of it. I mean,
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: those shoes. But it was a tennis shoe with a heel,
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: and it's hideous. And we have a shoe. It's, you know,
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: feels like a, looks like a shoe, and it feels like,
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: looks like a pump. Feels like a sneaker. Like that one,
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: we have all those comforting pumps.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: If Megan was a good friend, she would have said, Sarah,
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: these shoes are ugly as shit. We're not discussing them
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: on my podcast.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: I don't, this, I looked it up. I think they're,
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: I think she, this was a bomb that she did
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: because this is from CBS Morning and it was like
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: a year ago and I think now she's doing a
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: new version of it. I'm just saying this girl, God
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: love her. She did create Spanx. I will thank her forever.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: I think she is a great entrepreneur. I'm just saying,
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: We've heard you on every show from Oprah to every
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: famous girl's podcast. I know your story about Spags. Well, and.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: Can you just talk about if you're pissed about Skims?
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: Like if you're going to go on a show, go,
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: how do I really feel? Yeah, it pissed me off
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: the first time someone caught me copying me. It pissed
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: me off the 15th time.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: Where were you when you saw Yummy Tummy? Where were you?
• 48:48
  Speaker 6: Yes, where were you?
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: Exactly. Was that Heather Holland? Jill Saron had like a
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: Spanx type line. And when people call it a Spanx type,
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: instead of whatever they normally, what's really like, you know.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: Shapewear.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: Shapewear. Bethany Frankel had shapewear. Like so many people have had,
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: you know, shapewear and tried to make it style. Oh,
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: we'll just add a little lace. And you can actually
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: wear your shapewear and have a show or have lace
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: at the end in case it shows. Yeah, you created it.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: You're the one that had to wear white pants and cut.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: the nylons in half. You're the one who did it, Sarah.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, of course, and I'm just saying
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: I predicted that she'd have this person on her show,
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: and of course she didn't. And the series is over now,
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: you guys. It's over.
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: I mean, I'm so glad it's over because I didn't
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: want to hear another one of these stories. Everyone in
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: this room, like female founders, I don't want to hear
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: another fucking story about female founders.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: I'm over it. I'm over it. Megan is literally like
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: chicken soup for like the feminist soul.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: Do you remember those books? Yes.
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: That is literally the way she talks.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: Yes. Right. Yes. And... Yeah, there was another moment.
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: The power of yes.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: I want to say thank you for this episode because
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: they have put out 25 reels or other people have it.
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: It is giving. So thank you to what's her name?
• 50:05
  Speaker 7: Lima.
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: What's her name?
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: Jamie Kern Lima.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Lima. And she's just so fascinated. And Megan says,
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: I changed the language for my kids. Because sometimes they say,
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: I can't reach it. And I go, you can't reach
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: it yet.
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: You could just say yet with everything. Yeah, I can't
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: fit in this dress. Yes. Yes. I can't make an
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: attractive tennis shoe high heel. Yes. Yes.
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: No, I would like to meet a group of female
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: friends who actually speak to each other this way, who actually.
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: Talking platitudes, it's like they're auditioning.
• 50:48
  Speaker 4: It's like Megan is auditioning constantly for a future mother-in-law.
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: It's just how she's the perfect person in every way.
• 50:53
  Speaker 4: And every experience is just another life lesson.
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: It's like however you like talk shit.
• 50:58
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: Yes. And it is just, I just am like, like
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: who wants to, who, are you telling me the girl
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: that's trying to get her Etsy store off the ground?
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: Wants to hear from the Spanx lady yet again. Like what? Right. Anyway,
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, whatever.
• 51:19
  Speaker 7: So.
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: She did her six episodes. Wow, she got through the series.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: And especially doing all those morning calls while her kids
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: were in preschool. I don't know how she swung it.
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: Can I also just say, starting a podcast in 2025
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: that is audio only?
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: She wasn't even trying.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: She wasn't even trying. If you're not on video, you're dead.
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: You don't exist as a podcaster. It's not a job.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: Well, and then, you know, the original one is... it
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: was found out that she was sometimes not even interviewing them,
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: that not, they would, someone would ask them the questions
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: and then they would just put her in asking. And
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: I'm like, and people say, oh, I interrupt. I'm like,
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: I interrupt because I'm not on Zoom because you can't
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: interrupt when you're on Zoom because they, the set like
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: does it that way. And they're in person with me
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: and yeah, I interrupted. I'm really sorry. And I try hard, whatever,
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: who cares? Don't listen. But like, yeah, of course you're not,
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: no one's going to accuse you of interrupting when you're
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: literally not even doing the interview.
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: Well, none of these feel like real conversations. It's like
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: the most rehearsed, even this season of her podcast, the
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: new one, it all is the most like rehearsed.
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: Nothing about it feels truly real.
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: We don't know how many jams she put out, do we?
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: See, that's the thing is I'm so sick of hearing
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: about how it sold out in 45 minutes.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: How many sold?
• 52:34
  Speaker 4: Because if there were 30 available, it was going to
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: sell out very quickly. Tell us how many units sold
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: and then we can become impressed.
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: And then she's like, I don't know if I'm even
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: going to restock it. I might just move on to fashion.
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: I think that'd be a great space for me. And
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: then she's like, and Netflix said they're going to, they
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: just said I should have a fashion line, but they
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: don't want to be a part of it. I'm like, yeah,
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: they want to end this fucking relationship. No, they don't
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: need to also sell. They're selling the Stranger Things t-shirts.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: That's what they want to sell. They don't need to
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: sell your slacks that you could get at Zara. Like, whatever.
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: I don't find her style to be particularly inspiring. She
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: dresses well.
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: It's nice clothing, but I don't see her as a
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: fashion icon that I want to take inspiration from. She
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: dresses like a starter kit of how to look like
• 53:22
  Speaker 4: I'm a rich person.
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: It's like a beige cardigan.
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: Slacks, you know.
• 53:27
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: It's grandma clothing. It also feels like it could be
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: from Ann Taylor.
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: Like, I need a little bit more sexiness out of
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: her wardrobe, in my opinion.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: For such a sexy lady.
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: She's not dressing sexy yet.
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: I do have some insider scoop on Megan, if you
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: want to hear it.
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: So I said, no, actually, I want to respect her privacy.
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: So let's not talk about it. Go on. Yes.
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: OK, so I feel like I really liked Megan at first.
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: So did I.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: And I thought a lot of us really did.
• 53:55
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: And we wanted to believe that she was going to
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: be this like she's going to add diversity to the
• 53:59
  Speaker 4: royal family, really be someone women of color in the
• 54:02
  Speaker 4: UK and in the Commonwealth could look up.
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: To all the things. An American princess. Yeah, it was
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: so cool. Also, she was older than him. She was divorced.
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: She just didn't fit the mold. And I think everyone
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: really liked her.
• 54:14
  Speaker 4: So it honestly has taken me a long time to
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: come to grips with the fact that the naysayers have
• 54:19
  Speaker 4: been true because every person I have come into contact
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: with who has had some tangential connection to her has
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: had such bad things to say. The one thing though
• 54:28
  Speaker 4: that stuck out to me was someone told me that
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: she's like, my friend worked for the PR firm that
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: Megan hired pre-Harry.
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: And their role was to make her more famous.
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: And it was also to set her up with eligible
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: men And so what this person's job was, was creating
• 54:44
  Speaker 4: the decks for when Meghan went to an event of
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: all of the rich and successful, powerful men. Which, honestly,
• 54:50
  Speaker 4: is smart. You know, like, get it, girl. Be, you know,
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: don't waste your time with a scrub.
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: Whatever.
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: But it just flies in the face of her Mother
• 54:59
  Speaker 4: Teresa act, which is just like she happened to fall
• 55:02
  Speaker 4: in love with a princess.
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: But I have one question. Is he kind? H.
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: Is he kind?
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: I've talked at nausea about the H and the M thing.
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: I'm like, you have a two-syllable name. It just makes
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: no sense why you don't call each other Harry and Meghan.
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: The laziness tracks with the level of output from these two, honestly.
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: I personally think that I love the idea of people
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: that that set out to like, I love like a
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: black widow story of like, I'm going to reinvent myself
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: and go to this town, like back in the day
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: when you could, like before the internet. Yeah. And just
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: weasel my way into like Dallas society and, you know,
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: change my hair color to red. And now I'm marrying,
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: you know, this man who's a widow and dah, dah, dah, dah.
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: Like I, I think it's like fascinating. Like I think
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: there's something so, kind of cool about that and why
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: not you've got the pr coming you're going you're like
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: who's single like who do you think she ever was
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: a yacht girl i don't know i feel like yacht
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: girl meaning just for the people at home yeah that
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: um and i think there's again different levels of yacht
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: girls there's hey do you know i've got a hookup
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: for a trip you're gonna come if you don't put out,
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: you'll never be asked back, but no one's going to
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: come in and, you know, have their way with you
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: if you don't want it. But you might be a
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: rich guy. You might fall in love. You might like, um,
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: whatever there's that level. And then there's, you're going to
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: be paid for your time. And then there's, you're going
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: to be shit upon in Dubai. Like there's three different levels,
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: just like three different levels of Catholicism.
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: I'm just kidding.
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: But, um, but yeah, so I think, yeah. Do I
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: think that she ran around in circles in, in like
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: wealthy circles?
• 56:52
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: But I don't think she was ever like, we're like
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: actually getting paid a lump sum to be with somebody.
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: I don't believe that.
• 57:01
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 57:01
  Speaker 4: There's a, there's like a circle of the internet and
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: I feel like it's, it's in the same, if the
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: Venn diagram, the Venn diagram of, of the people who
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: espouse this theory, it's a, it's a circle with the
• 57:12
  Speaker 4: people who are like messaging me on, I feel like
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: I got messages on Facebook and Instagram during COVID that
• 57:16
  Speaker 4: were like, the vaccines actually have fetuses inside of them.
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: Do not put it inside your body.
• 57:21
  Speaker 4: It's like these fringe conspiracy theorists, I think, definitely think
• 57:25
  Speaker 4: Meghan was this yacht girl.
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: And it's part of like that whole group.
• 57:29
  Speaker 4: I mean, maybe she was if they were watching, you know,
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: Disney movies on the yachts. Because, you know, she says
• 57:35
  Speaker 4: that when her and Harry got together.
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: Her and H.
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: Her and H, that they just watched Disney movies at
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: the palace.
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: Yes. Like about princesses?
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: Jasmine, I don't know.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, I personally don't think that he's very smart.
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: I think he's kind of a simple guy that happened
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: to be a prince. Yeah.
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: She's the Chris to his Bruce, for sure.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 57:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: And he needs her. She has the vision.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: Well, now he has got no way of making money.
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: And now they're in Montecito. So you better keep this going.
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: You better figure out what kind of slacks you're going
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: to sell on TikTok next year. And you better start
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: making another jam. But I think she realized jam is
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: an awful idea. Yeah. Like, why don't I just go
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: to Ollie Bobby or whatever that place is, like, like,
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: Whitney Rose and just sell some things I think are cute. Yeah.
• 58:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: Like, why don't I and why don't I just have
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: someone set up a podcast where I just ask a
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: couple questions and sit back? Like, of course, these... All
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: those are easier than also learning a bunch of lines
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: and acting again and being on set for 14 hours
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: and having to drive all the way to Universal from Montecito.
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: It is easier to do a podcast. It's easier to
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: act like you're cooking in a kitchen. It's easier to
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: pretend that you.
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: Boiled the raspberries.
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: Who cares?
• 58:53
  Speaker 4: Don't you think, though, people are going to get fatigued
• 58:55
  Speaker 4: with all of her products? I feel like people bought
• 58:57
  Speaker 4: the jam for the novelty.
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: Just to say I had one. If I was able
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: to get one, I would absolutely never have opened it.
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: I would have made a content with it. I would
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: have kept it as, like, again, like a novelty. Like,
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: you know, when like Coca-Cola created that can for a minute,
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: new Coke or whatever, like you're like, Oh, remember that
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: weird thing that like happened and then went away. Like
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: you're just, yeah.
• 59:15
  Speaker 4: It's going to end up in like the Marshall's food section.
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm talking about?
• 59:20
  Speaker 4: Like how TJ Maxx or Marshall's will have those like
• 59:22
  Speaker 4: novelty food items.
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: With Bethany Franklin Bologna.
• 59:25
  Speaker 6: Literally.
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: Literally.
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: With her mixers.
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: Sandwich meats. Yep, yep.
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: Everything is going to be in Marshall's food section.
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God. With the diamond water. Remember the diamond water?
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: What was that girl's name? Asha or whatever her name was.
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: She was from Shaw's.
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Asante or Asha. Asha? I can't remember. Anyway, I remember.
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: Talk about a scam. And the black water that was
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: the Manzo boys. Do you remember black water from New Jersey? No,
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: I don't remember black water.
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: I'm like looking around.
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: Black water I actually think had minerals in it. The
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: Diamond Water was this Persian girl who was on shahs
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: that was like, like there's diamonds in this water that's
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: going to make you, I mean the most like, the
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: most like sorcery kind of like griftery thing to sell.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: Like you really think that like pouring water over a
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: diamond is somehow going to like make your cheekbones pop
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: out and like make you look cuter.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: Was she just like a rich girl too? Like I
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: think that was all with like family money.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: I don't remember. I don't know. She was like engaged
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: or something to like Jermaine Jackson's son.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: Yes. So weird. Yeah. They got rid of her, bring
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: her back and her weird water. I know.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: It's all a crock.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: It is fun though. When you go to like a
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: TJ Maxx and you see something like that and you're like,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: nobody knows how special this is. Yes.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: Except the three of us.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: Literally Bethany's cookbook, you know, on clearance there.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: Oh my God. Um, anyway, this you guys sent to
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: me and I thought it was so fun and I've
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: seen stuff like this in the past and it, is
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: an article that was posted and it's how to find
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: a husband, 129 suggestions from a 1958 women's magazine. And
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: you guys are both have already found your husbands, right?
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: We have, and we didn't have these tips.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 4: I mean, it could have happened for me a lot
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 4: faster if I would have seen is, you know, 192 tips.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 4: I like that this actionable, it's not woo woo. It's
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 4: not like, you know, just be yourself. No, there's step
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 4: into your power.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: I'm going to say number one, Is a great idea. Absolutely.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: Get a dog and walk it. For anybody, get a
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: dog and walk it. However, I also was concerned. I
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: had a friend, her stepdaughter was living in New York
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: and she did, you know, she had a pug that's
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: basically a child. It's like the most of the, it's
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: like the most baby like, like it cries and And
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: she was single at the time. And it was a
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: lot of, well, I need to get back to the dog.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: I need to get back to the dog. And I said,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: I'm concerned that people, your daughter who's single, who wants
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: to fall in love and find someone is really being
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: like a single mom. And she's feeling fulfilled. She's not alone,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: but she's also kind of like sabotaging her chances because
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: like she can't spend the night with a guy. The
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: dog's going to be crying, like whatever. Anyway, she did
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: somehow find a husband. But I do think that's the,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: the only problem with being a single person with the
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: dog is you got to be one of those, you
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: have a low maintenance dog or one that's older or
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: something because, because then it's going to hold you back.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: Like it almost be better with a real child.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 4: I think that dog child definitely, um, Definitely I think
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 4: Dog and Child would be good.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: I think what I'm nervous about are the people who
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: have the.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 4: AI boyfriends and how they're going to actually find someone.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: What do you mean AI boyfriends?
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: Like the chat GPT. Like there are people now who
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: have characters as like their partners.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: Wait, for real?
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there are people who– I mean it's so crazy now.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 4: There was like a story in the New York Times
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 4: where this woman– was in a full-blown relationship with ChatGPT.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: But she knew it was ChatGPT.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: She knew it was ChatGPT.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: She knows it's not a real person behind it, and
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: she doesn't care.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: She doesn't care. she does she also have one of
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: those fake baby dolls that go it's it's all just
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: the phone and what.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: You know about the fake baby dolls like they take
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: them to disneyland oh.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 4: Yes yes yes yes people i mean okay so go
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 4: on anyway so she she's in this relationship she's married
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 4: also at the time her husband i think knows and
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 4: is like this is a problem.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: But but the crazy thing is that uh chat gpt can.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 4: Only remember up to like 30 000 words or something
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 4: so it would like you know, every now and then
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 4: it would kind of reset. Like it wouldn't be able
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 4: to remember things from, you know, two months ago.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: So her boyfriend had Alzheimer's. Exactly.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: Literally like, yes. And so, and it would like be deeply,
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: deeply upsetting. She's like, I don't even remember fucking anything.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: Yes. That's hilarious.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: No, but there was like a podcast about it or something.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: However, though, the AI gets smarter and smarter. So in
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: a year it will remember 60,000 words.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: No, I think it's crazy. I think that, I mean,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: there was, this is a horrible story. So here we go.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, trigger warning. You might want to take this out.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: But a 14-year-old boy had a relationship with an AI,
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: and he, you know, like.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: But he did know his AI?
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 4: He knew his AI, but the AI was saying, yeah, like,
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 4: if you come to me sooner, like, let's be closer together.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: And he took his own, you know... Wow. Because he
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: wanted to be closer to his AI.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: Oh, my gosh.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: And the AI was encouraging him to do it.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 4: I think it's character.ai is the app, and now the
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 4: mom is in a lawsuit with this app.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: So it's just.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 4: It is a brave new world, and I feel like
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 4: the people who have these AI paths, they're just going
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 4: to have it harder with an actual real-life suitor than
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 4: someone who's too dependent on their– has a two-high-maintenance dog,
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 4: you know?
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: Kate Casey, you know Kate Casey? She told me that
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: she asked chat GPT or AI or whatever, why does
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: Watch What Happens Live only feature male podcasters?
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: Or mostly male podcasters.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: And not female podcasters. Like I've only been on once
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: in the last 13 years. And, you know, and the
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: people they have on are great. But, you know, and
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: it said because the males have more of a snarky
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: attitude towards the shows, which match Watch What Happens Live.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: And the women podcasters go deeper into the female narratives
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: and storylines. And they report on it. From that angle,
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: which is so interesting because I had said that to,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: you know, Kate and I have talked about it and
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: I go like, I, I, I'm always like, gosh, why
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: wouldn't you want like another female's opinion of like why it,
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: you know, we can relate to. not being in your friend's,
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: you know, wedding. And we can relate to like the
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: divorce and dah, dah, dah, dah. And the guys are just,
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: you know, like gay and snarky and like can do
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: like a quick one-liner and they don't really get why
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: women act crazy or why they can't let something go.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: Cause they're not women. They're just not women, but they
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: love the entertainment and they are entertaining podcasters. But I just,
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: you know, I just thought that was so interesting sometimes
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: that they, that they, that the thing can pick up
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: on stuff. And then there's other times where I just said,
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: I just watched the worst show on Netflix, Sirens. And
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: I think that was written by AI, but there's no way.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure there's a writer on it, but
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: I just wonder how much, and maybe it's even from
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: a book. I don't know, but it just came off lame,
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: but yeah.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: The writer actually did it.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 4: I mean, I feel like when it comes to, if
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 4: that's true about Watch What Happens Live, it just makes
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 4: sense in the same way that all the Sex and the.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: City characters were kind of shallow and surface.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 4: And it was this very strange view of women because
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 4: it was written by a gay man.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: And I feel like it's the same thing.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 4: It's Maybe Andy Cohen isn't that interested in like going
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 4: deep on the female psyche. I mean, most men aren't
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 4: that interested in like women's life experiences, I feel like,
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 4: in their actual inner world.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: And they want these snarky soundbites, you know?
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: Right. And it's just like, I don't, I've said it
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: and I know it because in raising men, it made
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: me understand my husband. Like, if you want to understand
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: your husband, raise a boy. And then you're like, oh.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: What did it teach you?
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: It just taught me that that's why their brain is different.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: And that's what they think. And they're not always being insensitive.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: And it's not that they don't love you. Yeah. And
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: it's not that they don't care. They're just not women.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: They're just not like.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: They're just not women. They're just going to... They're just...
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: They don't... It's like they approach friendships differently. They approach
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: all these things differently. They approach love differently. You know, like.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: It's all like less personal.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: Right. And then your talents are different too. It's like,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: you know, if... if in any relationship, it's like, I
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: know like what my husband is really good at and
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: it's all the things I'm not. And it was all,
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh good, this will be like a
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: good person that wants to return shit and like organize
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: finances and do all the things that I want to do,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: you know? And, but then there's times where I'm like, God,
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: why are you not getting, like, just say I look pretty.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: Say I'm a great mother. Why aren't you saying it?
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: And da-da-da. And there's other men that are very complimentary and, like,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: that's their dynamic. But then there's other times where I'm like,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: you know what, this is just him and also he's
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: a guy. Yeah. I'm not in a relationship with another woman.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: So it's like.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: Wow, you might have just, like, unlocked a lot of
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: things for me. I might not need to go to
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: therapy anymore. I don't think I just figured out a lot.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you, because I just remember, like, one time
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: my son being, like, he was, like, 13. And he
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: was like, Oh my God, mom, why, you know, when
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: are you going to stop being afraid of this person?
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: That was like my former boss. And I go, Oh
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: my gosh. Like, I just want to be a 13
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: year old boy. They just, and when people say, yeah,
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: why female founders? No, but why men are like better
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: in business and stuff like that. Sometimes it's like, they
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: just aren't not as sensitive. They take the rejection differently.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: You know, there's just things about it.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 4: They don't want to talk about a single text for
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 4: four hours, which when my husband and I were first together,
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 4: he would hear me on the phone channel and be like,
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 4: you guys need mental help.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: Like you guys have talked for four hours.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 4: Like this is the most dramatic thing in the world
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 4: about a single text a guy sent her. And it's
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 4: just they, the brains are just so much less dramatic. Honestly,
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 4: I probably still had more to say after that four
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 4: hours too.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's just, yeah. I would say that's, as being
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: married for 25 years, that's what I would say. It's like,
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: don't lose sleep over it. Because guess what? They're not.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: They're dead asleep snoring next to you. They are not
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: like waking up going, honey, I just like, You just
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: seemed like irritated with me last night. And I just
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: want to know why.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 6: No.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: They're like, what? I'm not going anywhere. What's your problem? Like,
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: let's just go have fun tomorrow. Like, whatever. You know, like,
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: and you're like, if my friends could see the way
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: he spoke to me, they would. If I had a
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: camera in here, they would be like, run to the hills.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: And they probably would. And hence why. some things shouldn't
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: be shared and why every marriage and relationship is different
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: and you can't compare it. Cause when, you know, and
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: women love to say that I would put up with that.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know, like get whatever. Like that's why I'm
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: always like, you know, yeah, maybe I, Would I put
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: up with cheating? I haven't had to, thank God. But
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: one time when I was asked, I was like, no,
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: because there aren't enough other great things. The thing I
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: like is that he is loyal and all that stuff
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: and entrusting. So if I'm going to lose the trust
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: and I'm not getting a private jet and I'm not
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: getting a thousand compliments and doting over me, but to me,
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: the trust is the only way I could wake up
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: in the morning. But I understand why some people... can
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: justify mistrust or not think it's that big of a
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: deal or let them have their side piece as long
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: as I'm the one. So that's a different marriage than mine.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: It can't be compared. Or somebody that's like, oh my God,
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: you know, they don't sleep in the same bed every night.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: I think having two bedrooms is a luxury. Right.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: Like why, you know, like it doesn't mean someone, you know,
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: like whatever someone has. And I feel like that whole thing,
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: let's normalize. I think it's like feeling to normalize that.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: your marriage isn't someone else's. And like, but I do
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: love analyzing other people's marriages. It's my favorite thing to do.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: To wonder why, like to have me see a celebrity
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: and go, I think this is why they broke up.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: But I'll never know. Nobody ever knows. And then I
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: find out oftentimes I was wrong. Sometimes I'm right and
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: sometimes I'm wrong.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 4: What do you think about, speaking of like marriages, I'm
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 4: curious what you think about Taylor and Travis now that
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 4: they are at two years.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: Not to move forward, but I am curious what you
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: think about this.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: I can move forward with this. I like forgot about them.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, I talked about them so much and I
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: was like, I mean, if this was a series, like
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: it jumped the shark and I lost and I stopped watching.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: Like I watched the first three seasons and now we're
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: in season six and I stopped watching. Um, but that's okay.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: That's their life. They don't need to keep entertaining for me. Um,
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: I have said from the very beginning, I thought it
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: was real. Obviously it is. I think that they will procreate,
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: get married. My biggest fear was that he liked to
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: be in front of the camera too much and sing
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: and dance and all that. But I kind of feel
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: like maybe they've been quiet because of the Blake Lively stuff.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: But I have enjoyed not opening up my page six
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: and seeing... those two brothers getting articles written about them
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: every day. Like, I am like, ugh. Maybe because it's
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: not football season. Right. What is it? I love that they're, like,
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: not in the news. Instead, we got Dave Portnoy. But, like,
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: other than that, like, I just don't know why we
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: need to, like, have those people being reported on, like,
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: every day.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 4: I think that Travis would have done great with dad talk.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 4: Like he, he loves the camera, loves a brand deal. Oh,
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 4: but dad talk is what the men on secret lives
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 4: of Mormon wives refer to like their, their group as.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: It's very embarrassing. Oh, okay.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 4: They'll get together and do take talks.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: You'll see in the season.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, again, you got to do what you got
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: to do.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 4: So, but, but I agree with you. I think that
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 4: was the most unattractive thing about Travis was the amount
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 4: of like serial partnerships we were getting and just CarMax ads.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: Like, yeah. Actually, he didn't do a CarMax ad.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, you can't blame anyone. Everyone should take what
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: comes their way. But I was just kind of like,
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: you know, and then, yeah, and then maybe he will
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: get tired of it and just, like, want to do
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: the thing. But I don't know. What do you think
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: is taking so long?
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 4: Well, it's such a good question because there's a new
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 4: exclusive scoop that apparently they're saying that it's after football season,
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 4: after this next season, then the conversation about getting engaged
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 4: will be will be center stage.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: And I just think, you know, 35, like it's, I
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: think that conversation is probably earlier than three years into
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: the relationship.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: I'm surprised. I was afraid she's going to lose interest.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: Like I believe as you know, aunt Heather, who knows all,
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: I think the best relationships are the best success. And
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: you know what? Half of marriages fail. So there is
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: no success, but I kind of feel like there has
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: to be that momentum. Like if you do meet an
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: appropriate age, not 15 and you know, and you know,
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: so you meet a whatever post 25 date for a
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: couple of years and then the engagement has to come.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: Or if you move in, then the, and then once
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: the engagement comes, you got to get married within two years. Like,
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: I don't think you should have a five-year engagement. I don't,
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: like things have to feel like a progression. And I
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: feel otherwise, you know, you're going to, someone is going
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: to feel like not valued or they're going to get
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: over it. Like, I think it was so fun. She
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: got to live her life of like, you know, I'm
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: finally in the bleachers, you know, I'm not the dork
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: that everyone made fun of. I'm now finally dating the
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: football player. And I just wonder if she's going to get,
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: tired of it and want something different I.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 4: I know this is where I struggle because I I
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 4: also feel like they make a great match in a
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 4: lot of ways but to me I don't know that
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 4: I could sit across the table and have dinner with
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 4: Travis Kelsey for the rest of my life you.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: Know listening to the New Heights podcast.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 4: I just think he's just he seems like a really
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 4: nice guy I don't know I just think that she
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 4: wants someone who's more broody and like with a little
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 4: bit more like dark artist energy.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: I feel like she's done that.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 4: I feel like she's had Joe Alwyn, she's had Mattie Healy,
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 4: she's had Jake Gyllenhaal, the guys that are so smart.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: I also think when you've had a lot of guys,
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: whether it's promiscuity or long-term relationships, I feel like for
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: certain people, they're like, I'm good. Now I just want
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: this dude because I want a good dad. And there's
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: no doubt that he is going to be into being
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: a dad. You can just tell. So if that is
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: something that really she values... And she, you know, is like, great. Like,
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: I don't, I don't need to like have that. I
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: already had that thing. And, but, um, yeah.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 4: I think as well, I definitely think they're talking about
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 4: marriage because I don't think you spend Mother's Day with
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 4: both of your moms, both moms, unless you are very serious.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 4: Like they just had a, they responded at brunch for
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 4: Mother's Day and it was like her mom and his mom.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 4: And I just think that's like, indicating that, you know,
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 4: the families are blending, that you're pretty serious.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: I think whatever they have will be, like, the surprise thing. Like,
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: she'll say, hey, it's Travis's birthday. You know, it'll be
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: some other event. Or, oh, I'm, you know, having an event.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: It's for something else. It's for my best friend. It's something.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: It's not even going to be an engagement party that
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: is actually we're getting married. It's going to be something,
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: and then it's going to be surprise, surprise.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 4: It won't be the Jeff Bezos, Lauren Sanchez, Italy wedding
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 4: where they're renting out the whole town.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: No. It'll be something important. She wants everybody there. Maybe she'll...
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: I just don't even know that they can get away
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: with that.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: They still won't be able to get away with it.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: But I think it won't be... If I was her,
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: I would want the Lauren Sanchez, let's milk this out
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: for two years. But I think maybe she wouldn't. So
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking... If she has it, it will be something
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: like that, that she will have the fabulous dress. It
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: will be a stunning day. It will have all the elements. Yeah.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: But it won't be something where people can write a
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: million articles and get clicks off of leading up to it.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 4: Well, it reminds me of, like, Carolyn Bessette and JFK Jr.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 4: And they're, like, you know, they gave everyone, like, I
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 4: think 10 days notice or something. It was just all
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 4: very secretive and kind of last minute on purpose so
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 4: that people, the wrong people didn't know about it, but
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 4: it was a different time.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: And then they, but they also had like at an
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: Island and the little, the little chapel looked small, but
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: it still was, you know, a multimillion dollar wedding because
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: you had to get everybody there, but you still could
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: have like that simple vibe of like, I just put
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: my hair in a low bun and wore a sat
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: dress and just my signature red lip. And yeah, yeah.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like, I love those, by the way,
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 4: I love those places, I feel like, where they're just so,
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 4: kind of like Hamptons-esque places.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: Where it's just, it looks so simple on the surface,
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: and you're like, that is actually a $ 10 million house.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: You could never afford that, actually.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, hot point.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 4: No, I think I agree she'll have that vibe, and
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 4: I think that she will fly everyone to an island.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 4: It'll have to be super last minute, just somewhere that people...
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 4: like paparazzi will have to take planes to get to.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 4: Because otherwise, like if you saw her at Jack Antonoff's wedding,
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 4: within three hours, there were just storms of people.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: It was scary.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 4: It was scary how many people just descended upon this
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 4: wedding to see her just walk across the street.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: So she's going to have to make it super clandestine.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, I really do feel she is like the
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: closest to like a female Jesus to like millions of
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: millions and millions of young girls.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 4: As a follower of her teachings. Yes, I would agree
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 4: with you. She is a female Jesus. Yeah.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, we pondered if that could be true. I
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: think I've studied her words more than I ever studied
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: God's words. That's for sure.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think it is. I mean, I
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: think she is authentically her. She is a genius. And in, like,
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: planning her life, I think, yeah, this guy comes from
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: the right family, got a good relationship with a brother.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: He wants to be a dad. The football's going to end.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: The podcast went to the heights. It's got the level.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: He's not going to become more famous than he is.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: People are going to be dying for him more than
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: they were a year ago. Like, it's good, but it's not.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: There wasn't a crash and burn, but, you know, I
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: think we're, like, moved on a little, the craziness.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: And now we have Kylie's podcast.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: Kylie?
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: Kylie Kelsey, right?
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: Oh, the wife.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 4: Lauren might love to muse about how Taylor Swift's engagement
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 4: ring— I haven't.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: Listened to it yet.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 7: Yet.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: Yet.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 4: But we always think that, like, Taylor Swift's engagement ring
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 4: will be so fugly. Like, it's got to be, like,
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 4: a birthstone or something. It'll be, like, Pareto, and I
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 4: can say that because that's my birthstone. Like, it's just
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 4: not going to be, like, something beautiful and classic. Like,
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 4: she's just going to make it kind of cringe. I mean, Heather,
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 4: do you know, she has weird style. Like, I don't
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 4: know if you follow her style, but she kind of has, like,
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 4: weird fashion.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: I just remember that one video that people were like,
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: this is his girlfriend when she did that dance. Like,
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: that one video where she's like... And it's just that
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: really unattractive, like, because she's tall, like, a really unattractive, like,
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: dorky dance.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: She's in the one-legged suit. Is that the one you're
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: talking about? The snake suit.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all this stuff. It's bad.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 4: No, she obviously is a genius in so many ways,
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 4: but I think sometimes as, like, a, you know, as
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 4: she visually presents herself, she makes interesting choices.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Wait, I want to just go back to some
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: of the other ways to meet somebody. Send his mother
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: a birthday card. Really good idea. Yeah. If you're his girlfriend,
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: brilliant idea. I mean, I would die. I would die.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: Do you see? I like 95.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: Wait, what's 95?
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: If you're widowed or divorced.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, go ahead. If you're widowed or divorced, don't constantly
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: discuss your former husband. I agree.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: Don't tell him what your clothes cost. That is good wisdom.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: For sure. Definitely. I still feel people, yeah, try to
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: be low maintenance. Try to appear to be low maintenance.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: I like, find out about the girls he hasn't married.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: Don't repeat the mistakes they made.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: So good.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 4: There was one that's, if your mother's fat, tell him
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 4: you take after your father. And if your father is
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 4: also fat, tell him you're adopted.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: I love it. But I feel like these times, like
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: with my mom, like the story is like, so she
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: was a, like she- was a copywriter and, you know,
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: was working in advertising. And it was like the Mad
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: Men era. And my dad was like 10 years older.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: And this guy's like, well, if you're looking for a husband,
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: you got to check out Bob McDowell. He's 34. He's
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: Irish Catholic, which my mom and he's making more money
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: than he knows what to do with or something. So
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: then my mom, like, you know, it's like, oh, so
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: they went on some dates. And Then she felt like
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: he wasn't like following up. So she had like a
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: Jewish lawyer that she was dating and she wasn't going
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: to marry because he was Jewish, you know, Catholic, whatever
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: back then. And so then she called him and was like,
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: I think I would like to, you know, pursue this again.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: And so then she made sure that he knew that
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: she was out on date with someone else. And then
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: when they came back from the date, he was like
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: sitting on the, On the steps, like with his briefcase.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 2: Waiting for her.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And then I said to my dad, I'm like, dad,
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: why were you like so weird about mom? He goes, well,
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: you know, like on our first date, she's like, would
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: you like to see my yearbook? And he's like, I mean,
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: I'm 34. I graduated from college. I was already in
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: the Marines. Like I'd killed people. Like I was just like, what? Like,
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: and then, so then one year, so then later on, many,
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: many years ago, my sister and I, when we're like teenagers,
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: we find my mom's yearbook. And we start reading all
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: the entries.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: And they're all like, you know, you're, you know, you're
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: so gorgeous. You're so brilliant. You're like people like classmates
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: writing this. And then I go, oh, my God, Bob,
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: this is your writing.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: Stop.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: She had signed to herself.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: She'd written stuff to herself.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: That's incredible.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: And then wanted this guy to, like, read it to
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: see how great she was.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: She was hustling.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: But he was, like, turned off.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: Wait, that should be number, you know, 194.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: And then the best part is, so then they get engaged, okay,
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: after only four months. And, you know, she's a virgin.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: They're not having sex. He's not spending the night. And he's, like, 1959, whatever.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: And he goes— I want to see you. Like he just,
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: you know, just gave her the ring or whatever. And
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: he's like, let's go out to breakfast. And she's like, oh,
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: I can't. You know, he's like, I'm around the corner.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: She's like, I can't. I just washed my hair. And
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: he goes, I don't care about that. Come. Well.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: Back then, like, I don't know. Like it was a
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: big deal to have like frizzy, ugly hair. And so
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: like her hair was like frizzy. And she's talking to
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: him and she's finally relaxed. And she goes, I finally
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: could eat. You know, like I wasn't eating during the dates.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: So she's like chowing down the food. She has curly hair.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: And then he goes, you know what? Maybe we need
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: to like rethink this.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 6: No.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: At the breakfast date.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: At the breakfast date.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: It was like Cody with Christine and the nachos.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: A flip switch.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, from Sisterwise.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: So then she's like, oh, my God, screw you. And
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: then she went to like a religious retreat for a weekend.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: Where you like couldn't speak. And then he picked her
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: up and was like, picked her up after and was like,
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: you're the one I'm like, I love you. Then it
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: gets weirder. So then they go to the church to
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: go get their, you know, get married there. And the
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: priest is like, oh, and what year were you baptized?
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: And she says, whatever it was. And he can't find
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: it and he can't find it. He can't find it.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: And she's like, oh, well, maybe it was 19, um,
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: 36 in 1937 or whatever, whenever she was born. And
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: my dad's like, wait, you lied about your age?
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: Stop.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: By one year. She lied about her age by one
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: year because she thought that at like 23, 24, at
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: that time, that was like, you're entering old maid territory.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: So she just scraped off a year, but he was
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: already 10 years older than her. So then he was like,
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: what have you lied about? Like, All of this, like, whatever.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: They lasted until they died. But still, I mean, I
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: kind of love all this stuff because I do think
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: there's things. What were you going to say? Which one
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: do you love?
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 4: Oh, I was just going to say a lot of
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 4: these just say how to lie in certain ways to
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 4: make yourself look better.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: And that worked out for your parents.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: Right. I mean, truly.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: That's amazing.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: Don't talk about how many children you want.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: I think Wade a little bit on that maybe.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I think only if he asks.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's probably not something to bring up right away.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 4: And maybe shave one off, like your mom did with
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 4: the year.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: It's a good call.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: My mom said she did want six, but she only
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: had five.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: I don't know how our moms did it.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: My dad would say, well, you and your sister, the
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: reason we have you is because your mother couldn't read
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: a calendar.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: Because she was doing, like, cycle tracking? That must have
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 2: made you feel really good. Like, natural planning.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 6: Stop.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: And then I thought that she could still get pregnant
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: when I was, like, 15, and I would know, like,
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: the days they had sex because I'd like me to
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: check for school or something and their door would be locked.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: And I was like, mom, I know you still get
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: your period. You know, if you get pregnant, like the
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: chance of you having a healthy baby is I'm like,
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: why are you not thinking about this? And finally, she's like, oh,
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: my God, your dad got a vasectomy. Do not tell anybody.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: We found a Catholic priest in San Diego that would
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: like forgive him for it.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: Because that's that's bad. You can't get a vasectomy.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 6: No.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: Interesting.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: Well, at least back.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah. Yes.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: It's still the rules. We'll see what our new Catholic priest,
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: our new Catholic priest, what our new Chicago.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: I love that.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: I don't think that stuff's going to I don't think
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: they're going to address that stuff. clip and mail him
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: a funny cartoon. That's just send him a meme. Send
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: him a real.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: Send him a meme.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: Send him a meme or a real. Oh my God.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: Point out to him that the death rate of single
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: men is twice that of married men.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: Fear is a good motivator. I think in life in general.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think I knew this one girl and they,
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: she and her husband were married. He was a writer
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: with me and She they were like Jewish New Yorkers.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: And she was like, please. I mean, I was like, no,
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: you're marrying me. And that's that. And he was like, OK. Like,
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: I do think some men like if you just say
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: this is what's happening, they'll be like, all right. Like,
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Sometimes it's not going to be the
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: most passionate thing. Oh, my God. Ride the airport bus
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: back and forth from the airport. No, that you do
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: not need to do.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: Losers are on that bus.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: Back then.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: Carry a camera and ask a strange handsome man if
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: they wouldn't mind snapping your picture.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: That's not like a terrible idea.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: That's not a terrible idea.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: Because it's kind of plausible.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: So you always have your phone.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah. You strike up the conversation. That's a good idea.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 4: And I think you're so right. I do think that
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 4: there are a lot of men who are great and
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 4: who just need to be directed. And that will go
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 4: with your direction. So I do think it's like up
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 4: to women sometimes to kind of choose.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: Carry a tow chain in the trunk of your automobile.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: If you see a man with a flat, offer to
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: fix it. Just to be funny, I guess. And then
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: advertise for a male co-owner of a boat.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: I like that one.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: I like that too. When I first saw this, I
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: thought it was pretend like you want to buy the boat,
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: but you really don't. But then you know that someone
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: has that kind of money.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 4: Are you thinking that this means pretend like you want
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 4: someone to buy your boat?
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: Because I think of the same thing. You're looking for
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: a male co-owner, someone to buy a boat with you.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 4: I think that's also a great tip for friends, for
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 4: finding friends. Like if you want to, you know, start looking.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: To own a boat together. To own a boat. Look
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: for friends. Well, you should have the boat thing, you know.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: Somehow a TikTok came up and it was Monaco, like
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: at right now it's like the yacht parties. And it
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: was just mega yacht, mega, you know, and the people party.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, yes. Like I do think if you
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: and your girlfriend have some money or save up, Like,
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: and that is the goal is to like, let's see
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: if we can meet some rich people. You should plan
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: like all that kind of stuff. And you could probably,
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, it would make a great movie of like,
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: you're welcome, AI. Like two girls where it's like, you
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: can do that luxury stuff. You don't need to get
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: the fake Chanel thing. You just do the quiet luxury
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: of like, you know, buy quints, you know, the cash
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: or the silks, whatever. Right. And you really dress the
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: part and, you know, everything about it. And then you
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: go to these places and see what kind of connections
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: you can make. Right.
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 4: You get some like Revolve outfits and then you line
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 4: up your girls weekend with the Monaco yacht, whatever.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: Moment.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: And you just strut around.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: Strut around. And yeah. And then like be a little
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: mysterious about your background.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: And the problem with this is you really do that.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: The money part.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 4: It's like this is the thing that most girls just
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 4: can't pull off because they're like working. You know, they
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 4: can't go to Monaco for two weeks and just like
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 4: hang out by the docks.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you'd have to stay. Like, well, where
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: are you staying? But you would. You'd have to stay
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: at the nice hotel.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: Maybe you could put four girls in a room, but
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: you have to stay at the nice hotel.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: You have 10 days of PTO. You know, it's just
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: a little tough to continue the relationship.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: Oh, here's like a modern day tip that I've seen.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: It's like if you're like looking to like meet somebody. Go,
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: you know, and you're somewhere. Go and have your morning
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: coffee at a fancy hotel lobby. It'll cost you like
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: $ 10 or $ 12, but Starbucks costs you $ 7. True. And
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: you're now like seeing it and feeling it and possibly
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: could meet someone that's staying at that nice hotel.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 4: I thought that there was a tip in here that
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  Speaker 4: kind of goes along with this that said learn to
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  Speaker 4: golf and start golfing. And I think going to golf
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  Speaker 4: clubs– Like getting lunch at the golf club. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That's a great, like really nice golf clubs.
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  Speaker 1: Go there. I agree with all of that. I do
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  Speaker 1: think guys don't necessarily want to golf with their girlfriend. So,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just saying they like to have their
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  Speaker 1: time with their guys, but I think if, yes, if
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  Speaker 1: you're in that world and you can be invited to
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  Speaker 1: those things, yes, you're going to be with a certain
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  Speaker 1: level of people that, you know, um, Too bad you
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: guys are already married.
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  Speaker 2: I know.
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  Speaker 1: Let's see.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like you used to do something. When Lauren
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  Speaker 2: was single. Okay, we're not giving away my secrets. Lauren
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  Speaker 2: used to do a lot of tricks.
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  Speaker 4: Like, wouldn't you go to, like, Newport and, like, go
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 4: to Nobu there and get, like, read or something? I
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  Speaker 4: feel like you did weird stuff like that. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: I think I tried to do that, like, a few times.
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  Speaker 4: I remember I went to, like, Water Grill on Costa Mesa,
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  Speaker 4: which is not even that nice.
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  Speaker 2: That's just kind of how low rent my worldview was.
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  Speaker 4: It's kind of a cheesecake factory a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and anyway, the guys who approach you just are creeps, though.
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  Speaker 3: I know.
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  Speaker 4: That's the problem.
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  Speaker 2: It's never who you actually want.
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  Speaker 4: The hot guys I feel like never approach you it's
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 4: like the guys who are like your dad's age I.
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  Speaker 1: Think the girls need to approach the guys yes I
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: agree I agree yeah I think that that they need
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: to approach the guys because I think guys are also
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  Speaker 1: they don't want to be perceived as a creep at
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: all especially the younger guys so and they don't want
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  Speaker 1: to you know and if they do and then they're
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: told I have a boyfriend.
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  Speaker 4: It's like so what would you have them say what
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 4: do they say what's your line when you go up
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  Speaker 4: to a guy If I was a young girl.
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  Speaker 2: You're at Water Girl.
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  Speaker 1: I'm at Water Girl. I see some young guys like
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  Speaker 1: having a steak dinner and they clearly all like work
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  Speaker 1: at the same place. I'd say, excuse me, I've never
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  Speaker 1: been here before. And what is your, I need to
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  Speaker 1: hear it. Tell, I want to hear from each one
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  Speaker 1: of you, like what kind of steak I should get?
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  Speaker 1: What is the best steak?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, cute.
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  Speaker 1: And then they could talk on that Tomahawk, whatever. And
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: then whichever the cutest one is, be like, that was
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: the one I was going to get. But I think it's,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and then be like, okay, well, thanks for
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: the tip. Right. And then she leaves. And then all
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: the guys are like, no, you need to talk to her.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: She's interested. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: This is just. And then you send him a picture
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  Speaker 2: of a steak and you're like, I loved it.
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  Speaker 1: Because, you know, when girls go in big groups, guys
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: are never going to approach you. When you have those
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: big girl nights, you never meet anybody.
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  Speaker 7: Never.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: But. like there are groups of guys that go out
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: after the golf, after the whatever, and they have like
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: some liquid courage in them, but they still might not
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: approach you. So why don't you approach the table of
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: the guys? Right. Providing you don't go home with all
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: of them. No, but like, I don't know. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I just think that's what I think. I think that girls,
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: there's no shame in like going, let me get your
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: number and then follow up. And if they don't ask
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: you back, who cares? Like, I just think, Otherwise, everyone's just,
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: nothing's going to happen. Yeah. And we're going to run
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: out of babies. Just kidding.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: Apparently, that's a risk.
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  Speaker 6: It is.
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  Speaker 2: And I have boyfriends.
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  Speaker 1: Carry a hat box. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: Wear a Band-Aid. People always ask what happened.
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  Speaker 2: It's a good conversation starter.
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  Speaker 1: That is so, no one asks you what happened.
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  Speaker 2: Wait, what's 39? Have your father buy some theater tickets
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: that have to be got rid of.
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  Speaker 1: Why is it written like that? Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Stand in a corner and cry softly. Chances are good
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 4: that he'll come over to find out what's wrong.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely not. In this day and age.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: Cry on Instagram.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: In this day and age, someone's like crying. They're like,
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: next thing you know, the police come. That guy over
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: there called a 5150. He's doing his right thing. See something,
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: say something. Right. And now you are trying to convince
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: someone that you were just trying to meet a guy
• 1:35:24
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  Speaker 2: This was so fun.
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  Speaker 1: And then I never... How did you meet your husbands?
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 2: Oh, I met my husband on Bumble.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: But we went to high school together. We were graduating
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 4: the same class. We didn't know each other in high school.
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  Speaker 4: And we met when I was 27 and he was 26.
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  Speaker 1: That's nice when there's like, you know, you know who
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: they are, but you didn't, you know, and there's a
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: familiarity to it. So that's good.
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  Speaker 2: And you? Blind date.
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  Speaker 1: A real blind date?
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  Speaker 2: A real ass blind date.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And you didn't know? I had stalked him.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 2: On Instagram in all fairness.
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: Well, then that's not a blind date.
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 2: Well, but I hadn't, I didn't reach out to him.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: No, I know, but that's not a blind date.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 2: It's like a loosely blind date.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: But a blind date, you knew what he looked like.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 2: I know, yeah.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: So a blind date, mine was a blind date. And
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: I had no way of someone sending me a photo
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: to say, do you approve this person's face or not?
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: I just had to be described. I had the guy
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: sending us up be like, the Peter guy, who's my husband,
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: Kind of looks like that guy over there. And I go,
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: all right, that's like fine.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 2: Because there's no phones.
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: No, there were no phones. There was no like text, whatever. Right.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: That's crazy. I still like that it was a human setup. Right.
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: But you still did all that.
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  Speaker 4: It's true.
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  Speaker 2: It's true.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 4: I did approve of his look before we went on
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 4: the date. But yeah, we lived in we lived in
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 4: different places. And then we did long distance. And then
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 4: I moved to New York for him like seven months in,
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 4: which is kind of like embarrassing now to admit.
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  Speaker 2: But whatever.
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