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  Speaker 1: It's the good reform it.
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  Speaker 2: Tonight Clive Palmer returns to Canberra. But look who is
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  Speaker 2: thinking of backing with his billions this time? And it
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  Speaker 2: turns out Anthony Aveneze was fooled by the leader of
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  Speaker 2: the Palestinian Authority when he controversially recognized a Palestinian state.
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  Speaker 2: I'll talk to the US ambassador to Israel, and I'm
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  Speaker 2: under far for being glad that Pauline Hansen at least
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  Speaker 2: is talking about what the big parties won't. But is
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  Speaker 2: ignoring or attacking her really going to make millions of
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  Speaker 2: a supporters change their minds. Plus Bill Gates's ex wife
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  Speaker 2: dumps on the billionaire after disgusting claims about him in
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  Speaker 2: the Epstein Files. But first, today we've got an insight
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  Speaker 2: into what a government looks like when it's spending so
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  Speaker 2: much that it runs out of your money. And we
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  Speaker 2: learn todayactly how this disastrous Albonomics works. It apparently goes
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  Speaker 2: like this. You spend so much that Australians get hurt,
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  Speaker 2: and then you spend even more to make them feel better,
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  Speaker 2: and you repeat and you repeat until the inflation explodes again,
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  Speaker 2: interest rates rise and we face a decade of deficits
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  Speaker 2: to come. Now, let me give an example of this
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  Speaker 2: albonomics from just today Chris Bowen, the Energy and Climate
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  Speaker 2: Change Minister. He's explaining how he is actually helping you
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  Speaker 2: deal with his power prices that are going way up
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  Speaker 2: and not down as it promised.
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  Speaker 3: The Prime Minister promised that labor Energy Plan would reduce
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  Speaker 3: household electricity bills by two hundred and seventy five dollars
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  Speaker 3: per year by twenty twenty five.
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  Speaker 4: Minister, why has this not happened? And will you apologize?
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  Speaker 5: I note that he's Electorate one one hundred and twenty
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  Speaker 5: eight Flynn. Households have introduced a cheaper home battery under
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  Speaker 5: our policy and a reduced did your bill by ninety
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  Speaker 5: percent or more? And in many cases have reduced their
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  Speaker 5: bill to nothing.
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  Speaker 2: Never mind that the power price is going up. Have
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  Speaker 2: a battery at reduced prices? Well, they're reduced prices because
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  Speaker 2: other taxpayers, you and me are forced to subsidize them
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  Speaker 2: at enormous cost. In fact, the cost of Bowen's battery
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  Speaker 2: program has blown out by about five billion dollars. That's
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  Speaker 2: albinomics for you. Now, the primis himself today explain this
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  Speaker 2: albinomics perfectly. He was asked if he took responsibility for
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  Speaker 2: the interest rate rise yesterday by spending, of course so much,
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  Speaker 2: the inflation is again going up and the interest rates
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  Speaker 2: have to try and knock him down. How many is it?
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  Speaker 2: Didn't answer that question at all. He's just boasted that
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  Speaker 2: he was offering more handouts now to ease the pain.
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  Speaker 6: We know the Australians are still doing it tight, and
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  Speaker 6: we know that cost of living pressures are real, but
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  Speaker 6: that's why we have measures to actually address cost of
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  Speaker 6: living pressures.
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  Speaker 2: And then Albinizi rattled through a list of these taxpayer
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  Speaker 2: funded bandages is now handing out, including these.
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  Speaker 6: Making medicines cheaper, which we did on the first of January,
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  Speaker 6: investing in more bulk billing and urgent care clinics, which
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  Speaker 6: we are doing, cutting student debt by twenty percent proposed
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  Speaker 6: by those opposite paid prack, and ten thousand dollars incentives
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  Speaker 6: for people to do apprenticeships in construction or in energy,
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  Speaker 6: and of course free take.
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  Speaker 2: Now, of course you're going to have to pay for
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  Speaker 2: all these handouts, and at some stage, of course the
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  Speaker 2: money must run out. In fact, it's running out already,
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  Speaker 2: and we saw that too. Today, Treasure Jim Charmers refused
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  Speaker 2: the DENI reports it is now looking cutting back on
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  Speaker 2: the fifty percent capital gains tax on property. Meanwhile, the
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  Speaker 2: Defence Minister today announced that the government would flog off
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  Speaker 2: sixty seven properties, buildings and land worth three billion dollars,
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  Speaker 2: all stuff that's owned by the Defense Force that the
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  Speaker 2: government said it didn't need.
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  Speaker 7: Today, the other and easy government is announcing the most
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  Speaker 7: significant reform to Australia's defense estate in our nation's history. Defence,
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  Speaker 7: as one of the largest owners of property in the country,
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  Speaker 7: had a very significant estate, much of which was not
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  Speaker 7: being used.
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  Speaker 2: Now. Of course, once the government pays the shift defense
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  Speaker 2: people the cheaper properties and fix things up for sale,
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  Speaker 2: the total saving is down to one point eight billion dollars,
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  Speaker 2: which the government claims will all go to Defense, which
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  Speaker 2: is in fact so badly strapped for cash that were
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  Speaker 2: sort of soldiers, ammunition and ships ready for sea. Now,
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  Speaker 2: like I said, part of the reason that the government
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  Speaker 2: is getting desperate is the government's spending too much and
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  Speaker 2: as a result we are in for a belting because
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  Speaker 2: this is the highest spending government in forty years outside
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  Speaker 2: the pandemic crisis, and it's all thanks to Albanomics. Never
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  Speaker 2: mind the inflation, never mind the interest rates going up,
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  Speaker 2: have another handout. That's how it works. But the bill
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  Speaker 2: for all that is coming. In fact, you're paying it already,
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  Speaker 2: and that is why so many economic economists and business
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  Speaker 2: leaders they're screaming for a cut and charms mega spending.
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  Speaker 2: But Albinomics it'll keep going because it really is just
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  Speaker 2: another Ponzi scheme, and like all Ponzi schemes, the money
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  Speaker 2: does run out. Disturbing new developments about one of the
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  Speaker 2: Albaniz the Govern's most shameful decisions, the Prime Minister's decision,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, last year to recognize the state of Palistine
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  Speaker 2: even though it has no agreed borders and has one
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  Speaker 2: half run by the Hemas terrorist group and the other
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  Speaker 2: half by the terrorist sponsoring Palestinian Authority, which by the way,
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  Speaker 2: hasn't allowed an election for twenty years now. That decision
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  Speaker 2: by Albanese it was actually praised by three separate leaders
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  Speaker 2: of their mus terrorist group. That should tell you how
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  Speaker 2: bad it was, how it encouraged terrorists. But don't worry,
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  Speaker 2: Anthony Albanesi said at the time he was making this
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  Speaker 2: call because the Palasinian Authority President Mahmoudabas had made him
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  Speaker 2: a lot of promises, promises to reform, to hold elections,
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  Speaker 2: to stop preaching due hatred, and to stop paying pensions
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  Speaker 2: to terrorists killed or wounded trying to kill Jews.
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  Speaker 6: The Palestinian Authority has reaffirmed it recognizes Israel's right to
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  Speaker 6: exist in peace and security. It has committed to de
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  Speaker 6: militarize and to hold general elections. It is pla to
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  Speaker 6: abolish the system of payments to the families of prisoners
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  Speaker 6: and martyrs.
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  Speaker 2: Mahmodobasa the Palastinian Authority have upheld almost none of those promises.
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  Speaker 2: The one exception yesterday, Yes true, Mamudebas did finally call
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  Speaker 2: for an election for the Palestinian National Council, but not
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  Speaker 2: until November. And even if the elections go ahead, will
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  Speaker 2: we actually let this council sit because the last time
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  Speaker 2: he did let it sit was in twenty eighteen. In fact,
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  Speaker 2: this council has met only twenty two times in sixty
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  Speaker 2: two years. But the rest of the promises, No, the
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  Speaker 2: Palasine Authority is not demilitarized. It doesn't call for an
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  Speaker 2: election for the presidency, which is the big one, and
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  Speaker 2: it still hasn't stopped paying pensions to the families of
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  Speaker 2: dead or injured terrorists, according to two reports in the
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  Speaker 2: past week, one quoting a US State Department documentary document
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  Speaker 2: not Anthony Albinezi frankly was fooled. He was lied to.
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  Speaker 2: What's going to happen? Is he going to reverse his decision? No,
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  Speaker 2: we're not going to recognize the Palestinian state after all,
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  Speaker 2: as if joining me from Jerusalem is the US Ambassador
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  Speaker 2: to Israel, Mike Huckabee. Mike Hackabee, thank you so much
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  Speaker 2: for your time. I'm really looking forward to talking to you.
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  Speaker 2: I've admirred you'll work for a long time. Do you
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  Speaker 2: see any genuine signs of reform from the Palestinian authority
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  Speaker 2: of the kind it promised in exchange from being recognized
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  Speaker 2: by countries like Australia, Britain and France.
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  Speaker 8: I would love to tell you that it is a
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  Speaker 8: reform in motion, but we're not seeing it. What we
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  Speaker 8: are seeing is a way of changing the manner in
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  Speaker 8: which the payments are done, but the payments are still
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  Speaker 8: taking place. It's being moved through a welfare system rather
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  Speaker 8: than a direct pay through what they call the Prisoner
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  Speaker 8: in Martyr fund. But the rhetoric continues and President of
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  Speaker 8: the BOSS has continued to say repeatedly that if there's
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  Speaker 8: only one penny left in the treasury, the last penny
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  Speaker 8: will go to the prisoners into the martyrs, which, by
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  Speaker 8: the way, that's euphemism for the terrorists. So it is
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  Speaker 8: still problematic. The US has a problem with it for
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  Speaker 8: many reasons, not the least of which is it is
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  Speaker 8: a violation of a US law called the Tailor Force Act.
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  Speaker 8: We cannot be helpful and we cannot provide financial assistance
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  Speaker 8: as long as the PA is providing money that enriches terrorism.
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  Speaker 2: But doesn't it frustrate you. Then all these countries have said, oh, well,
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  Speaker 2: you know, they bank these promises, they recognize the Palestinian state,
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  Speaker 2: they were cheered by Hamas and now they say nothing.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, they've been lied to, the promises are broken,
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  Speaker 2: and not a bet squeak out of them.
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  Speaker 8: It's very frustrating. It's exasperating. And last summer when French
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  Speaker 8: President Crone led the charge to unilaterally declare a Palestinian
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  Speaker 8: state and to have this big meeting at the UN
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  Speaker 8: in New York, it was really harmful to the process
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  Speaker 8: that we were trying to work through to do a
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  Speaker 8: couple of things. One was get the hostages free out
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  Speaker 8: of Gaza, and the other was to alleviate some of
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  Speaker 8: the problems that really our serious financial problems within the
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  Speaker 8: Palestinian Authority. But the reason their problems is because the
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  Speaker 8: Palestinian Authority made promises all the way back in twenty
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  Speaker 8: seventeen that they would stop the pay for sleigh as
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  Speaker 8: we the US calls it, and that they would also
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  Speaker 8: change the curriculum in their schools which teach children as
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  Speaker 8: young as the first grade to hate Jews, to aspire
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  Speaker 8: to kill them, and to know that the highest achievement
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  Speaker 8: in life is to kill as many Jews as possible.
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  Speaker 8: With that being cooked into the culture, it's very difficult
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  Speaker 8: to get to a place where peace will abound. So
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  Speaker 8: we started we the US saying, look that these reforms
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  Speaker 8: have to happen if you're going to have any release
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  Speaker 8: of tension between Israel and the Palestinian Authority. This is
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  Speaker 8: step one. Well, we haven't gotten this step one yet.
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  Speaker 8: So when Macron and Starmer and others were pushing for
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  Speaker 8: a Palestinian authority to be declared unilaterally, first of all,
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  Speaker 8: it violated the Oslo Agreement. Secondly, it absolutely stalled any
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  Speaker 8: progress at all in the hostage situation. Hostages were kept
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  Speaker 8: longer because of it. And the third thing, it ended
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  Speaker 8: any type of discussion that we were having with the
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  Speaker 8: Israelis to try to get this financial situation resolved, because
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  Speaker 8: quite frankly, as much as we were sometimes at odds
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  Speaker 8: with and disgusted with the Palestinian authority for continuing pay
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  Speaker 8: for sleigh and problems and education, we're not interested in
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  Speaker 8: seeing them collapse financially because all we know it could
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  Speaker 8: lead to a third into Fada, and right now that's
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  Speaker 8: not good for any anybody.
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  Speaker 2: Meanwhile, it seems that our government is working out ways
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  Speaker 2: of saying no politely to the invitation from Donald Trump
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  Speaker 2: to join the Board of Peace that the President wants
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  Speaker 2: to set up to rebuild and run Gaza once A
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  Speaker 2: as Terra's their disarm which actually they're refusing the board.
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  Speaker 2: Straft Chartist as President Trump with chairman for life of
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  Speaker 2: that Board of Peace, and some say that the real
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  Speaker 2: plan is for its a morph into an alternative to
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  Speaker 2: the United Nations. Why should Australia join it? And will
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  Speaker 2: a refusal offend.
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  Speaker 8: I think it maybe is fair to say that a
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  Speaker 8: refusal wouldn't exactly be met with celebration. I'm not going
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  Speaker 8: to say that it has lingering consequences because I don't know,
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  Speaker 8: but I'm not sure why Australia would not want to participate.
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  Speaker 8: Think about this. Every Arab League nation, every single one
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  Speaker 8: assigned on to the piece Ariment, the Sea Spire, most
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  Speaker 8: European nations have. Most of the world's countries, even the
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  Speaker 8: ones in the Western Hemisphere, have done so. For Australia
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  Speaker 8: not to be a part of it, especially as much
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  Speaker 8: noise as they made last year about how we needed
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  Speaker 8: to do more for Gaza, and then now you have
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  Speaker 8: the opportunity and you say, yeah, we said a lot
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  Speaker 8: of that, but we didn't mean it and we're not
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  Speaker 8: going to actually do it. I'm not sure how Australia's
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  Speaker 8: government justifies not wanting to be a part of it,
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  Speaker 8: but that's something you can ask them more easily than
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  Speaker 8: I can.
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  Speaker 2: It's a true, mister Ambassador, that there is a plan
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  Speaker 2: to expand this eventually to becoming an alternative voice, hopefully
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  Speaker 2: of democracies through the United Nations, which seems to be
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  Speaker 2: too often a plaything of tyrannical regimes, authoritarian ones.
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  Speaker 8: I've not heard anyone really say that the purpose of
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  Speaker 8: the Board of Piece is to become an alternative to
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  Speaker 8: the United Nations. If those conversations are being held, I've
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  Speaker 8: not been a part of them. I really don't think
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  Speaker 8: that's what it's about. It's really about Gaza getting it
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  Speaker 8: back on its feet, trying to make it something that
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  Speaker 8: is livable. The reason it isn't livable is not because Israel.
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  Speaker 8: The reason it isn't livable is because Hamas refused to
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  Speaker 8: let hostages go and they put civilians right in the
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  Speaker 8: face of every time the Israelians would say this is
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  Speaker 8: a target, we're going to take it down because there
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  Speaker 8: are rocket manufacturing facilities going on, there are arms stashes
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  Speaker 8: being built, and so we're going to take it out,
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  Speaker 8: get away from it, and Hamas would force their citizens
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  Speaker 8: back into it. The suffering of Gaza is solely on
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  Speaker 8: Hamas for what they did October the seventh and what
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  Speaker 8: they continue to do for two and a half years
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  Speaker 8: after that. So it's very important to people understand why
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  Speaker 8: Gaza's the message is could have been Singapore. These people
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  Speaker 8: turn it into Haiti but I'm not looking at the
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  Speaker 8: Peace Board as an alternative to the UN. I'll be
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  Speaker 8: the first to admit, and I'm not speaking now for
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  Speaker 8: this president or the Secretary or the State Department, but
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  Speaker 8: I'm no fan of the UN. I saw what they
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  Speaker 8: did in aiding and a betting what Hamas was doing
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  Speaker 8: last summer, making it difficult to get humanitarian aid into
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  Speaker 8: the people. And when it did get in, what the
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  Speaker 8: UN si and ninety two percent of it ended up
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  Speaker 8: getting hijacked, stolen, inluded by Hamas.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, that's also that we've paid for in Australia, turning
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  Speaker 2: a blind eye to that kind of thing. Ambassador to Iran,
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  Speaker 2: which is funded Hamas and funded other terrorist groups like Hezbela,
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  Speaker 2: has now killed and reported thirty thousand Iranian protesters protesting
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  Speaker 2: against the regime. The US has hundreds of aircraft now
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  Speaker 2: parked over the border. It's got Nomada that's in the sea.
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  Speaker 2: He's offered irun ready to go, including an aircraft carrier
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  Speaker 2: group all ready to strike. Yesterday, the US shot down
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  Speaker 2: an Iranian drone that was flying at US ships in
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  Speaker 2: the Arabian golf there but Iran and the US I
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  Speaker 2: meanwhile supposedly discussing some kind of deal over Iran's nuclear
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  Speaker 2: weapons program. In particular, what's your call? Are we getting peace?
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  Speaker 2: Are we getting war?
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  Speaker 8: It's up to the Iranians. The presidents made it very
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  Speaker 8: clear that they're not going to have nuclear weapons, They're
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  Speaker 8: not going to have enriched uranium. I don't know how
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  Speaker 8: much clearer he could be. He's not only been clear,
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  Speaker 8: but he's been consistent. He's never said anything other than that. Look,
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  Speaker 8: the President would love to see a peaceful resolution. He
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  Speaker 8: would love to see the slaughter of the innocent people
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  Speaker 8: of Iran stop stop immediately. But Iran has to first
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  Speaker 8: of all stop killing their own people. That's upfront and center.
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  Speaker 8: But then they've got to decide whether they want a
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  Speaker 8: war or whether they want to continue to try to
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  Speaker 8: develop nuclear weapons that let's be honest, for forty seven years,
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  Speaker 8: they've been saying that we're going to take down Israel,
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  Speaker 8: and then they were going to take down the US.
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  Speaker 8: They've said all along, Israel is the appetizer, the US
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  Speaker 8: is the entree. It's death to Israel, death to America.
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  Speaker 8: And I don't think we can continue to be stupid
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  Speaker 8: and think they wouldn't do it because when someone tells
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  Speaker 8: you for forty seven years that their goal is to
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  Speaker 8: kill you, smart play is to start believing them and
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  Speaker 8: push back on them and say, look, you can either
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  Speaker 8: live in a world in which you decide that a
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  Speaker 8: peaceful future is possible, or you can live in one
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  Speaker 8: where we have no choice but to kick your butt.
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  Speaker 8: And that's what we did last summer. I think the
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  Speaker 8: President would love to avoid that, but he's already demonstrated
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  Speaker 8: that he's willing to do it again. We sometimes say,
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  Speaker 8: where I come from in America, there is no education
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  Speaker 8: in the second kick of a mule. It means that
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  Speaker 8: once the mule has kicked you and you're stupid enough
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  Speaker 8: to stand behind it again, you're going to get kicked again.
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  Speaker 8: So Iran might want to think about what President Trump
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  Speaker 8: is saying and what he's trying to offer them, whether
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  Speaker 8: they will come to terms and be realistic and sitting
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  Speaker 8: at the table.
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  Speaker 2: Time will tell Ambassador Mike Huckabee, I'm very grateful for
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  Speaker 2: your time, thank you so much. After the break, Andrew
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  Speaker 2: Hasty cuts loose on that Big Fire, said that the
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  Speaker 2: government announced today of defense buildings. Now the ambanis. The
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  Speaker 2: government says that three billion dollar defense sell off it
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  Speaker 2: announced today is of defense forces buildings and land it
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: doesn't actually need. Some of the buildings are empty, broken up.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to save money by selling them.
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  Speaker 9: Shame on the Albaneze government for the way they have
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  Speaker 9: destroyed the morale of our fighting men and women, and
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  Speaker 9: shame on the Albanese government for the news today that
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  Speaker 9: they are selling off our prime defense land and bases
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  Speaker 9: across our country. Labour is selling off historic bases like
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  Speaker 9: Victoria Barracks in Sydney and Melbourne, central to the ADF's
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  Speaker 9: identity and history. Labour is selling off important bases like
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  Speaker 9: Irwin Barracks in Perth, home to the thirteenth Brigade and
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  Speaker 9: the heart and soul of our Army Reserve in the West.
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  Speaker 9: Labour is selling off key bases like h Mays Penguin,
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  Speaker 9: which provide an important presence and capability in Sydney for
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  Speaker 9: the Royal Australian Navy.
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  Speaker 2: And Labour is.
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  Speaker 9: Selling off land near sensitive bases like Swan Island and Victoria,
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  Speaker 9: putting at risk important capabilities. The Albanese government are not stewards,
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  Speaker 9: They are wreckers and they are wrecking our inheritance. They
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  Speaker 9: are pushing our fighting men and women and their families
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  Speaker 9: further away from the cities that we depend upon for
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  Speaker 9: the recruitment of our soldiers, sailors and airmen. Why for money?
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  Speaker 2: That was the man that the Liberals told this week, No,
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  Speaker 2: we don't really want you as leader. You're to extreme.
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  Speaker 2: Andrew Hasty former essays captain knows a bit about the military.
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  Speaker 2: He was the defense spokesman for the Liberals, now sitting
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  Speaker 2: on the back bench because, like I say, the Liberals
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  Speaker 2: think he's a bit too out there. Join me as
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: the political panel. Cameron Milner, former chief of staff, the
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Laby leader, Bill short and our director of g Exo's strategies.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: And Michael Costs, the former New South Wales labor treasurer.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Cameron the big defense sell off good housekeeping or is it?
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: As Andrew Hasty there suggests that a desperate search for cash,
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: both spent th with government going broke.
• 20:43
  Speaker 10: Well, it's a shocking fire sale, Andrew, shocking fire sale.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: I mean this.
• 20:46
  Speaker 10: Goverment report's been there for since parting twenty twenty three.
• 20:48
  Speaker 10: It was so embarrassing it wasn't for it to be released.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: They threw it out.
• 20:51
  Speaker 10: When there's no opposition left in Parliament. But thank goodness
• 20:54
  Speaker 10: for Andrew Hasty when standing up for the dignity, the
• 20:57
  Speaker 10: dignity of our defense forces, because these are bases that
• 21:01
  Speaker 10: house families and officers who aren't paid much but have
• 21:04
  Speaker 10: the privilege of living in close areas of the city,
• 21:06
  Speaker 10: in areas which you've got that much.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: History and culture attached to them.
• 21:09
  Speaker 10: So no, an absolute fire sale, total disgrace that Miles
• 21:13
  Speaker 10: is going around there for goodness sake, one point eight
• 21:16
  Speaker 10: billion dollars. He couldn't find that somewhere else. No, it
• 21:19
  Speaker 10: says a huge problem about the defense budget and the
• 21:22
  Speaker 10: priorities of this government.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: Michael Costum is interesting. There there was Andrew Hasty trampling
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: right over the portfolio responsibility of Angus Taylor, the guy
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: that the conservatives say, well, if we're going to have
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: a new conservative leader of the liberals, who we wanted
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: to be Angus Taylor, not Andrew Hasty. But there's Hasty
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: making all the running. What did you make of this
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: fire sale? What do you make of Hasty's response?
• 21:48
  Speaker 11: Well, I think he's fundamental point about defense morale.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: I can verify that that's the case.
• 21:54
  Speaker 11: I mean, we have a Defense force across all the
• 21:58
  Speaker 11: defense branches lacking in morale, and part of that is
• 22:02
  Speaker 11: due to the shameful lack of investment in defense equipment.
• 22:06
  Speaker 11: I'm talking about the front line equipment, the stuff you
• 22:08
  Speaker 11: need to actually have a defense.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: And you know, we can all refer back to.
• 22:12
  Speaker 11: The Virgin flight pilot that alerted us to the Chinese
• 22:18
  Speaker 11: off our shores. Look, I'm a bit more open to
• 22:22
  Speaker 11: this given where I've come from. I mean, if there
• 22:25
  Speaker 11: are defense assets that are not needed that you know,
• 22:28
  Speaker 11: can be sold off, they should be. But I think
• 22:31
  Speaker 11: they're can have a real problem with Victoria Barracks in
• 22:33
  Speaker 11: Sydney and Victoria Barracks in Melbourne. These are heritage structures
• 22:38
  Speaker 11: that I just don't think they're going to sell. But
• 22:39
  Speaker 11: the bottom line on this, even if they do all
• 22:41
  Speaker 11: of this, the poultry one point a billion, that's less
• 22:44
  Speaker 11: than three percent of the you know, the defense budget,
• 22:47
  Speaker 11: the current defense budget, and you know inflation's running at
• 22:50
  Speaker 11: higher than that, so you know, in real terms, we're
• 22:52
  Speaker 11: still going backwards.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: And the Cameron also today, of course, was the government
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: refusing to rule out interest to the Capital gain stacks
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: as well. I mean, it's starting to look like, you know,
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: desperate search in the back of the couch for loose
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: change here or there are a few billions here there,
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: just to try and keep the wheels rolling.
• 23:15
  Speaker 10: Well, Albertiez always had a secret tax agenda, always hesitated
• 23:18
  Speaker 10: secret tax agenda. And the capital gains tax will be
• 23:20
  Speaker 10: in just another one of these ones. And this is
• 23:22
  Speaker 10: the problem because they don't feel like there's any opposition,
• 23:24
  Speaker 10: because I don't feel under any pressure at all. All
• 23:27
  Speaker 10: these ideas have been rolled out in trialed, and we're
• 23:29
  Speaker 10: going to see far more of them because you're right,
• 23:31
  Speaker 10: it's a tax and spending government and they spend too
• 23:34
  Speaker 10: much and now they get to taxes too much.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Michael, what did you make of this proposal or this
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: refusal to rule out a proposal?
• 23:45
  Speaker 11: Well, I mean, you know how many times has this
• 23:47
  Speaker 11: been floated, Andrew? And how many times are they backed
• 23:49
  Speaker 11: off at the last minute. Look, the bottom lining here
• 23:52
  Speaker 11: is here's a government that spending is out of control.
• 23:55
  Speaker 11: You know, you've got a treasure that doesn't understand where
• 23:57
  Speaker 11: inflation comes from.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: You know, he thinks it's external. I don't know, sunspots or.
• 24:01
  Speaker 11: Aliens or maybe the illuminatis responsible for inflation.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: In this country where.
• 24:05
  Speaker 11: Clearly it's a domestic issue and immigration, government spending, you know,
• 24:11
  Speaker 11: and failed energy policies what's driving this. So rather than
• 24:14
  Speaker 11: fix that up and get some productivity gains and realize
• 24:16
  Speaker 11: that the economy's under strain, these guys.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: Are looking for more taxes.
• 24:21
  Speaker 11: Now, more taxes is to fund more spending and clearly
• 24:25
  Speaker 11: that'll exacerbate the inflation problem. You know, we've got an
• 24:28
  Speaker 11: economic Ignoramas running the treasury unfortunately, Andrew.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Meanwhile, Cameron billionaire Clive Palmer dropped in on Canberra and
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: suggested he might start funding the national system instead of
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: one of these loopy parties he forms or takes over.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: He talked to Matt Kenavan, who's obviously the great talent
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: in the Nationals at the moment, and he whacked Liberal
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: leader Susan Lee and her party have liten as a filth.
• 25:00
  Speaker 12: Wealthy is Australian and former life member of the Liberal
• 25:03
  Speaker 12: Party and spokesman for the National Party. I can tell
• 25:06
  Speaker 12: you the Liberal Party is a party full of bankers.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: And what was interesting was that he finally had a
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: good word for One Nation leader Pauline Hanson, up to
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: a point after he's spent a few elections trying to
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: compete for conservative supporters with these various political parties he's
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: been trying to run and funding at enormous expense.
• 25:27
  Speaker 12: Hereies Paulie and Hanson's been a great person over many
• 25:32
  Speaker 12: years with a torch telling us what's wrong. So I
• 25:35
  Speaker 12: to be a light inside of the darkness. But we
• 25:38
  Speaker 12: need more than that. We need to know what are
• 25:40
  Speaker 12: the solutions, Canery Milner.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: If Clive Palmer does this time spend some of his
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: many millions on the Nationals instead of one of these
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: fruit loop parties, will that change anything?
• 25:58
  Speaker 10: Well, I mean, let's not forget that he actually funded
• 26:00
  Speaker 10: the L and P when the L and P started
• 26:01
  Speaker 10: in Queensland as a political force. When they joined as
• 26:04
  Speaker 10: a proper coalition that's held together, he helped fund them.
• 26:06
  Speaker 10: He bankrolled that start, so he has had that history
• 26:09
  Speaker 10: and that heritage. But I'm not sure money alone is
• 26:11
  Speaker 10: going to fix their problem, Andrew. I mean, the Liberals
• 26:13
  Speaker 10: and Nationals outspent label of like fifty million dollars or
• 26:16
  Speaker 10: something like that was the figures the other day, and
• 26:18
  Speaker 10: yet they lost lost really badly. So money is alone
• 26:21
  Speaker 10: is not going to fix their problems.
• 26:26
  Speaker 11: Michael Cliffe Palmer is the kiss of death. You know,
• 26:30
  Speaker 11: I'd be making sure there was nowhere near him. I mean,
• 26:33
  Speaker 11: you know, they're bonkers to even think about that. Look,
• 26:37
  Speaker 11: he does make one point that I agree with, and
• 26:39
  Speaker 11: that's on the policy. And we had Barnaby Joyce this
• 26:41
  Speaker 11: week talk about you know, state owned bloody coal fire
• 26:45
  Speaker 11: plants and you know also you know the inland rail
• 26:48
  Speaker 11: again and all these old Blackjack McEwan type projects. I mean,
• 26:53
  Speaker 11: if that's where the One Nation is going to go,
• 26:55
  Speaker 11: they're going to come across a very quick on policy.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: Do you agree with that, Cameron?
• 27:04
  Speaker 10: Look, I think so, And I think if you look
• 27:05
  Speaker 10: at Nigel Ferrage and reform, they suffer when they talk
• 27:08
  Speaker 10: about taxes and economics. Where they're on immigration and borders,
• 27:11
  Speaker 10: they're very strong, but they seem to actually lose.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: Votes when they start talking about the economy.
• 27:15
  Speaker 10: So you're right, Michael, as soon as one nation comes
• 27:17
  Speaker 10: under pressure about what they would actually do if they
• 27:20
  Speaker 10: were the opposition or get you know what they do
• 27:22
  Speaker 10: with economics, I think they'll actually pull back on their votes.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: So that's my experience. Well, that just under loans the
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: point of made for a while. Now they desperately need
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: to get someone of business and financial acumen in their corner,
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: preferably someone who with some political experience, but a top
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: businessman will do. They claim they've got someone in mind,
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: but yet to see it, and I guess they're yet
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: to put their name on the dot alone. Cameron Milner,
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: Michael Costa, thank you very much to you both after
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: the break. Are we really wrong to say paul In
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: Hanson at least talks about the right issues. I'll get
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: Rowan Dean to answer one of our ferocious critics. I say,
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: yet again, this split between the Liberals and the Nationals
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: is so deep that I cannot see the coalition getting
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: together again, not soon at any rate. And if they
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: do anything, they cobble together is probably not going to last.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: Today there were more talks between Liberal Leadercis and Lee
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: and Nationals leader Dave Liddle Proud no progress at all.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: A lot of the Liberals, not all of them. They
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: want to fight for teal votes in the city. The
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: Nationals want to fight for one nation votes in the country,
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: and I can't see anyone making a team out of that.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: Even the Liberals can't agree among themselves which way to
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: go and that actually could end up to be the
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: worst split. And you know those who back Andrew Heysey,
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: they're actually being blasted for trying to take the Liberals
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: to the so called Here's Paul Kelly Douen of The
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: Australia making a stir and Sky News a couple days
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: ago with this spray of Andrew Hasey and the Liberal rate.
• 29:10
  Speaker 13: What they are mainly concerned about is the political and
• 29:15
  Speaker 13: ideological civil war going on in the right of politics
• 29:19
  Speaker 13: to take politics further to the right.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 29:21
  Speaker 13: What they're saying is this is the key to unseating
• 29:25
  Speaker 13: the Labor government. That's not the case at all.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: And in The Australian today, Kelly doubled down on what
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: he called right wings shot jocks. He said, backing in
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: their handsome voters. Two short impacts so we can see
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: center right of politics and helps the consolidate alban Ezi.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: But then those of us who agree that, well, look,
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: in fact, yes, mass immigration, Pauline, it is dangerous, multiculturalism
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: is divisive, climate change policies are destructive, and the national
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: symbols are under attack. What do we to do? We've
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: been saying yes for years, we've got to shut up
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: now and not criticize the Liberals are doing little about this,
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: and not note that Hanson at least speaks with conviction
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: on these issues. Are we supposed to ignore the millions
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: of Australians who themselves have decided she speaks for them
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: one in four voters now, who themselves have deserted the
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: Liberals to let them face their worst poll result in history. Well,
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: conservative commentators or so called shock jocks, right wing ones,
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: whoever they are. Look, they did not create the support
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: for Hanson. This idea that you know, we sit there
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: and everyone then listens to what we say and goes well.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's ridiculous. People think for themselves. The parties,
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: the big parties, they created Hanson by failing, and Hansen
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: attracted them by promising action when the big parties would not.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: As simple as that. Joining me is Ron Deane, to
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: in chief of The Spectator Australia, hosts of Outsiders every
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: Sunday at nine am, and hosts of his own show
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: on Friday's a seven pm Rowan, let me just pass
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: it on. You must stop encouraging Pauline Hanson. You are
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: just helping Anthony Albanezi.
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: Okay, exactly. I always enjoy reading Paul Kelly. I often
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: get an unintentional, perhaps unintentional laugh or smile out of it,
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: and I wonder if I'm one of the ones he's
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: talking about. But this time, this column this morning, which
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: I kind of read with a sense of dread and
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: a sinking feeling, he describes basically conservatives or the wish
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: for the Australian population to have a conservative government, as
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: some kind of collective madness, I think is his term.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: And regardless of Paul Kelly's analysis, which I'm sure is
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: accurate and correct, the conclusion which he should have made
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: but didn't make, but the inevitable conclusion from his column
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: is that our democracy, the Australian compulsory preferential voting system
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: with no methods of recalling a government.
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: Does not work. Now that is far scarier.
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: That's a much scarier column to write than I If
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: you vote this, well that way, you're going to get
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: this or not get that. Because what Paul Kelly is
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: saying is it no matter how many people decide that
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: one nation's policies appeal to them, and by the way
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: Paul Kelly says, one nation has no policies. You disproved
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: that yesterday with Pauline Hanson, trottled out a raft of
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: policies to do with the slashing the NDIS, slashing government spending,
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: slashing immigration, a lot of things that need to be done.
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: They are policies. But what Paul Kelly is.
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: Saying is that if you can't have that, but we're
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: the Australian Electric can't have those policies. We are stuck
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: with a choice between labor and Liberal or labor and Coalition.
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: And that's it.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: Lump at, folks, because that's all you've got. That's the
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: only conclusion to be drawn. And I'm sure Paul Kelly
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: is correct. Maybe that's all we do have. We are
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: lumped with a system where you get a UNI party,
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: you get three years of this party and three years
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: of that party, regardless of the wishes of the electorate.
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: Now that means our system does not work and a
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: democratic system that does not deliver what the populace the
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: Demos wants is a failed system which will ultimately collapse
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: under its own weight. And that is the real danger
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: of what Paul Kelly wrote today. And I would say
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: to you Andrew that the policies that one nation are
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: putting forward. I would argue probably more or less have
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: the same a majority, the sixty to forty majority that
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: we saw during the Voice, the same majority that we
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: saw in polls for things like Australia Day, the same
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: majority we see on people and what people are prepared
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: to pay for that zero, the same polls we see
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: people are worried about immigration, are worried about cost of
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: living and so on. Basically, there is a sixty forty majority.
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: I've been saying this for a year in this country.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: It is the voice majority. Now if our political system,
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: the algorithm, if you like, of our proportional voting system,
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: cannot deliver to the people of Australia the government that
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: they want, then we are in real, real trouble. Now
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: we sort of the last election Albaniz in two thirds
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: of a popular of the population of Australia voted against
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: Anthony Albanese's government. Yet we are saddled with a massive
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: majority for labor in Parliament. Already we know there's a
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: problem with the system. Paul Kelly is saying the system
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: does not work.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: LOOKI correct in saying that this one nation juggernaut is
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: going to destroy the Liberals as currently presenting themselves. It's
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: going to it is It's true, paul Answer says, just
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: go to you know, it's just going after labor, which
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: is in fact going to destroy the Liberals and Nationals
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: under current policy settings and leadership set. That is absolutely true.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: But I'm just wondering what we're supposed to do as
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: conservatives who actually have been arguing for some of the
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: things that Pauline Hansen is arguing for now or has before.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: Are we supposed to ignore the fact that one in
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: four Australians are suddenly saying they want Hanson and we're
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: supposed to deplore that they would even think of doing this.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: I don't understand it. I mean, ignoring Hanson doesn't work,
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: and the Liberals just trying to attack her doesn't work.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: Criticizing it for thirty years doesn't work. I mean, she
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: now seems a strong woman with convictions. So what should
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: the Liberals do instead? Shouldn't it be how about offering
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: the people that like her better policies and a promise
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: to actually deliver them.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: We've been saying that since Tony Tony Habbit was destroyed
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: by Malcolm Turnbull there's been a rot within the Liberal
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: Party which they don't seem prepared to confront, and it
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: goes through the lobbyists in New South Wales and all
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: sorts of areas. But the bottom line is there is
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: another truth hidden deep within Paul Kelly's article, which I'm
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: sure he would be terrified to own up to as
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: the truth, and that is that we need the.
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: Australian The Australian public.
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: If they want to get rid of the Labor Party,
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: have to vote a massive majority for one nation because
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: the Liberals and the Nationals can't do it.
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: That's the truth hidden deep.
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: Within Paul Kelly's article that unless we see a massive
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: amount of people saying, you know what, Okay, she's been
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: in there thirty years.
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: I didn't like her to begin with. I didn't like this,
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: I didn't like that.
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: But you've got to give her the consistency and she
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: is talking about the things that matter to two thirds
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: of the Australian population. Unless that two thirds of the
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: Australian population prepared to go, okay, now I'm going to
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: go for one nation this time.
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: I'm going to see what happens.
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: Unless that happens, we're going to be stuck with another
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: labor government. So the bottom line, it's quite a compelling
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: argument that if I were in One Nation I would
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: be putting forward very strongly, is that we one nation
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: needs a massive majority and people who want to see
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: conservative policies in this country better start thinking about that,
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: and the Liberals and the Nationals better start thinking about that.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: As well well. I actually think that One Nation's more
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: doable target is to simply have a big blocking vote
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: in the Senate, and they will certainly have more senators
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: than the National Party. I'll be intrigued to know if
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: this bubble continues, and I'm not saying it will. I
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: don't know, I suspect not, but if it does, they
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: will have a big say in the center and they
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: could have really put a stick in the spokes there. Rondine,
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: thank you so much indeed for your time. So it's
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: interesting the Liberal MP who could fight Pauling Hanson on
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: her own turf is, as I've said before, Andrew Hasty,
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: but his party told him he couldn't be leader to
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: extreme as interesting in parliament today, who's reading the Art
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: of War, that Masterpiece of Warfare by Sun Su that
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: sounds like he does mean business. Somebody what lines he
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: was going for? Quotations? You know, one is appeer weak
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: when you were strong, and strong when you were weak.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: Or the supreme art of war is to subdue the
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: enemy without fighting. Or is it simply that in the
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: midst of chaos there is also opportunity and that is
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: certainly the case for Andrew Hasey Right now after the
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: break Bill Gates's wife and disgusting claims about her ex
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: husband in the Epstein files, the wife of mecabillionaire Bill
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: Gates has spoken out big time after the dump of
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: the Epstein files this week. It's a real mic drop
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: moment and she's absolutely buried her ex husban. You know,
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: it's not really just the former Prince Andrew whose reputation
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: will be destroyed forever by the release of these files
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: this week with the US Justice Department, Gates two is finished.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: The Microsoft founder was not just a friend of the
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: pedophile fellow billionaire Jeffrey Epstein, but even worse. Epstein writes
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: in these files that Gates caught a sexually transmitted disease
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: from one of the Russian women that Epstein's supplied and
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: asked for help to secretly get his wife Melinda to
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: swallow antibiotics. Now Gates denies at all. It does seem
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: a baroque story, and he denied it again today.
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  Speaker 14: It's actually true that I was only at dinners. You know,
• 39:42
  Speaker 14: I never went to the island. I never met any women.
• 39:45
  Speaker 14: And so you know, the more that comes out, the
• 39:46
  Speaker 14: more clear it'll be that although the time was a mistake,
• 39:51
  Speaker 14: it had nothing to do with that kind of behavior.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: But check out Melinda Gates's reaction yesterday when asked about this.
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  Speaker 15: The emails in the files suggest that Bill Gates had
• 40:04
  Speaker 15: additional affairs, and that he tried to get medication to
• 40:07
  Speaker 15: treat a sexually transmitted infection, and that he was going
• 40:11
  Speaker 15: to give you the medicine without you knowing. His representative
• 40:16
  Speaker 15: has said all of this is false. It is not
• 40:19
  Speaker 15: on you to have to respond to the details of
• 40:21
  Speaker 15: that alleged behavior. But I wonder what your dominant emotion
• 40:27
  Speaker 15: is when you read these news articles with these details.
• 40:34
  Speaker 16: Sad just unbelievable sadness. Unbelievable sadness. Right, and again I'm
• 40:46
  Speaker 16: able to take my own sadness and look at those
• 40:49
  Speaker 16: young girls and say, my god, how did they how
• 40:54
  Speaker 16: did that happen to those girls?
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: And there was this suggesting that Linda Geist isn't buying
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: a husband's claims that he did nothing wrong, but maybe
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: the divorce was very brutal and she hasn't got over that.
• 41:08
  Speaker 16: It's beyond heartbreaking, right. I remember being those ages those
• 41:11
  Speaker 16: girls were. I remember my daughter's being those ages, right.
• 41:15
  Speaker 16: So for me, it's personally hard whenever those details come up,
• 41:20
  Speaker 16: right because brings back memories of some very very painful
• 41:26
  Speaker 16: times in my marriage. But I have moved on from that.
• 41:30
  Speaker 16: I purposely pushed it away and I moved on. I'm
• 41:34
  Speaker 16: in a really unexpected, beautiful place in my life, so
• 41:39
  Speaker 16: whatever questions remain there of what I don't can't even
• 41:43
  Speaker 16: begin to know all of it. Those questions are for
• 41:45
  Speaker 16: those people and for even my ex husband. They need
• 41:48
  Speaker 16: to answer to those things, not me well, and I
• 41:51
  Speaker 16: am so happy to be away from all the muck.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: Joined me a Jamtonini columnists and coming Intoations consultant karlind Russo,
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: commentator and President of the West Australian Liberals Jemy. These
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: Epstein files are so absolutely devastating to the reputations of
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: so many rich and famous people. Does that make the
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: release of them good or unfair, because none of them
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: really you know, there's no trial or anything, and there
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: they are hung out to dry.
• 42:22
  Speaker 17: I have a view, Andrew, that nothing disinfects like sunlight.
• 42:26
  Speaker 17: And there was so much conjecture and rumor around this
• 42:32
  Speaker 17: particular individual, Epstein that is, and the behaviors and what
• 42:37
  Speaker 17: went on. I think the only thing that was ever
• 42:41
  Speaker 17: going to answer the question in a definitive way was
• 42:43
  Speaker 17: to release these files so that those people for whom
• 42:48
  Speaker 17: this was going to be material are able to respond
• 42:52
  Speaker 17: to what the files contained. Now, Ah, yes, it's uncomfortable
• 42:58
  Speaker 17: for some people, but also I look and go again,
• 43:02
  Speaker 17: nothing in disinfects like sunlight. And some of the language
• 43:05
  Speaker 17: around this story I think has also been really off
• 43:09
  Speaker 17: from some of some sections of the media, like describing
• 43:12
  Speaker 17: underage women. There's no such thing as an underage woman.
• 43:15
  Speaker 17: It's a girl, it's a child, it's a minor, whatever
• 43:18
  Speaker 17: you want to call it. So from my perspective, open
• 43:22
  Speaker 17: open the floodgates, let's see what's in there, and let
• 43:24
  Speaker 17: things fall as they may.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: Yes, but Caroline, we've got to then, you know, people
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: are assuming that Jeffrey Epstein a liar, a pedophile, a corrupt,
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: pusher of influence, etc. That he tells the truth in
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: these documents. That may not be the case. So I
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: really don't know. I'm conflicted here. I agree I prefer
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: the sunlight, but you know, some innocent people might be
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: absolutely smashed by this.
• 43:56
  Speaker 18: I'm a bit conflicted to Andrew, to be honest. And
• 43:59
  Speaker 18: the thing is because because of the rumors and the
• 44:01
  Speaker 18: conjecture and all those things that Gemma referred to, because
• 44:03
  Speaker 18: that has been happening for some time. You know, there's
• 44:06
  Speaker 18: a lot of people who were just mentioned in passing
• 44:09
  Speaker 18: in these records, but simply by saying, oh, such and
• 44:12
  Speaker 18: such was mentioned in the Epstein files, it has that
• 44:16
  Speaker 18: pejorative type glaze to it, which I think is unfortunate
• 44:19
  Speaker 18: for people who are quite literally mentioned in passing and
• 44:22
  Speaker 18: had nothing necessarily to do with the behavior. The thing
• 44:26
  Speaker 18: that I find really extraordinary, and this takes me back
• 44:30
  Speaker 18: to my legal career, is a lot of the people
• 44:32
  Speaker 18: who were involved here are very senior people, sophisticated. I mean,
• 44:37
  Speaker 18: the behavior is very ghost but broadly sophisticated, educated people.
• 44:42
  Speaker 18: I cannot believe the things that have been put in email.
• 44:46
  Speaker 18: And I've always said to basically anyone who will listen.
• 44:51
  Speaker 18: But you say it to God, you say it to
• 44:53
  Speaker 18: all sorts of people. Do not put things in writing
• 44:55
  Speaker 18: that you do not want to see a next to
• 44:57
  Speaker 18: an affidavit or in this case, dumped into the internet
• 45:02
  Speaker 18: ether for all to see. And I just find that
• 45:06
  Speaker 18: the carelessness and some of the brashness, like Fergie referred
• 45:10
  Speaker 18: to sending an email to Epstein saying that Eugenny was
• 45:14
  Speaker 18: off on a shagging weekend with her boyfriend. I just
• 45:17
  Speaker 18: thought that that was so incredibly ghosh. Why would you
• 45:21
  Speaker 18: put that in an email?
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: And why She also said, you know, you see the
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: documents that that Fergie, the Dutch ex duchess, was bringing
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: her two daughters to see the pedophile six days after
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: he was released from jail. I mean, it's just staggering.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: I just don't agree lack of morals to these.
• 45:46
  Speaker 17: People because you just said it then, Andrew, I mean,
• 45:48
  Speaker 17: that's that's enough of me. He's a convicted pedophile, and
• 45:52
  Speaker 17: I just don't. I don't if you're going to weigh
• 45:54
  Speaker 17: out the balance of averages on what's best to protect
• 45:57
  Speaker 17: or to release release it all, release it all.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: Yep, yep. Well in this case, I don't know that
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: we are surprised to hear what a grift Sarah Ferguson
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: and her husband, Ex Prince Andrew are, But my god, Caroline,
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: the ABC and Sydney Morning Herald have very sad news.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: The Sydney gain Lesbian Madigras had to cancel this official
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: Sydney Madigra party. It's held after the March big deal.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: It's been canceled because it always loses enormous money and
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: there's no sponsor now to cover the losses. But my
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: question is, why don't the people going there just pay
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: for it themselves. They pay tickets to cover the costs.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: Why don't they expect they're free or heavily subsidized party.
• 46:44
  Speaker 18: It's extraordinary, isn't it. You're exactly right close it all
• 46:47
  Speaker 18: off ticket it and everyone can pay and it can
• 46:51
  Speaker 18: stand on its own two feet.
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: It reminds me.
• 46:53
  Speaker 18: Of those couples who want to get married and they
• 46:56
  Speaker 18: want to have every every single of full luff at
• 47:01
  Speaker 18: their wedding. But you know, they want the bridal party
• 47:03
  Speaker 18: to pay for the honeymoon, and they want the parents
• 47:06
  Speaker 18: to pay for the food, and they want these but
• 47:08
  Speaker 18: they want people to pay for everything so that they
• 47:10
  Speaker 18: can have the party. Either don't have the party or
• 47:15
  Speaker 18: live within your means. And the same advice I give
• 47:18
  Speaker 18: to the Sydney Marti Gras.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: Are you joined in that advice, Gemma.
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: Oh sure.
• 47:26
  Speaker 17: I mean you know, the price is what the market
• 47:28
  Speaker 17: will bear, and if there is demand, the market will come.
• 47:30
  Speaker 12: And pay for it.
• 47:30
  Speaker 17: I mean it's not complicated. I mean the Sydney Marti
• 47:34
  Speaker 17: Gras is globally famous as an event. I don't understand
• 47:37
  Speaker 17: why they're not bold enough to just back themselves, throw
• 47:40
  Speaker 17: a great party, do the maths. I mean, heaven for forbid,
• 47:44
  Speaker 17: run a budget, back yourself, throw a banger of a
• 47:46
  Speaker 17: party and people will turn up.
• 47:48
  Speaker 16: It's not complicated.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: Just to finish with some very Australian footage to Victorians
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: fishing off angle Sea, feeding and patting a great white shark. Look,
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: it's great for the austraand reputation. You know, we're out
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: there with the dangerous wildlife. But I'm not sure that
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: local swimers and surface down there are going to thank them. Caroline,
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: what do you make of that?
• 48:14
  Speaker 18: Well, look, we all go to the beach and every
• 48:17
  Speaker 18: time you go into the water, you're entering into their
• 48:20
  Speaker 18: home and their territory. I look at those teeth and
• 48:24
  Speaker 18: it gives me a shudder, but in another weird way,
• 48:26
  Speaker 18: I kind of find it a.
• 48:28
  Speaker 11: Little bit cute.
• 48:30
  Speaker 18: Obviously, when you're in the boat, it's a little bit different,
• 48:33
  Speaker 18: but it's very interesting to see some of the unusual
• 48:37
  Speaker 18: interactions between species.
• 48:39
  Speaker 17: How many times have I sat on a beach with you,
• 48:41
  Speaker 17: Caroline going it's a bit oily today, and I've been right.
• 48:43
  Speaker 17: I'm like the shark whisper that fills me with absolute horror.
• 48:48
  Speaker 17: That shark is not playing at You're next.
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: Sharry is waiting, carolind Russo, thank you for your time.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: Sherry marks and his back