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Audrii, 11, Fished From River: Nazi Sex Perv Suspect Takes Plea Deal · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. The twisted murderer who kidnapped
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Speaker 1: and killed an eleven year old girl, Audrey Cunningham, takes
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Speaker 1: a play deal what happened to Audrey. I'm Nancy Grayson.
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Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us
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Speaker 1: here at Crime Stories and on Serious XM one eleven.
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Speaker 1: First of all, take a listen to this.
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Speaker 2: At this time, I sadly announced that Audrey's body was
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Speaker 2: located at the Trinity River on the US Highway fifty nine.
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Speaker 2: As a result of today's developments, I will just continue
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Speaker 2: the Amber Alert for Audrey, and I want to thank
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Speaker 2: DPS Department of Public Safety for all their help in
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Speaker 2: this alert. The information that we have gathered in this
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Speaker 2: criminal investigation is substantial. My heart aches with this news,
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Speaker 2: and I expressed with my deepest sympathies and condolences to
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Speaker 2: everyone who who knew, who cared for and loved Audrey.
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Speaker 2: The Sheriff's office we will continue to process the evidence
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Speaker 2: that has been gathered to ensure that the justice for Audrey.
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Speaker 1: And you can hear the Polk County Sheriff Byron Lyons
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Speaker 1: voice cracking after he and his whole team volunteers you
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Speaker 1: name it tried to find Audrey alive. That did not happen.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to what else Shriff Byron Allons has
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Speaker 1: to say.
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Speaker 2: Thank you to Trinity River Authority following the water levels
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Speaker 2: so that the divers could reach the area, could reach
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Speaker 2: areas of interest. Due to the lowering, we were able
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Speaker 2: to contact tra Trinity River Authority. They slowed down the
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Speaker 2: outflow from the reservoir and it allowed the water to
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Speaker 2: go down and her body was discovered there in the water.
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Speaker 2: But I'm not gonna say whether it was Harris County
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Speaker 2: or Montgomery County or equoser. It was a conglomeration of
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Speaker 2: a lot of love and law enforcement networking together that
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Speaker 2: discovered her.
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Speaker 1: I've done a lot of dive searches, but never have
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Speaker 1: I seen water actually lowered in a body of water
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Speaker 1: in order to find a body. It's the body of
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Speaker 1: an eleven year old girl, Audrey Cunningham found. Joining me
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Speaker 1: in all star panel to makes sense of what we
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Speaker 1: know now, including a man that predicted the defendant would
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Speaker 1: attack again after the defendant attacked him, did he go
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Speaker 1: to jail? Hell no, that's why he was out to
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Speaker 1: murder Audrey. Yeah, that victim joining us, but first to
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Speaker 1: Bob Price, joining us Associate editor, senior news contributor. You
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Speaker 1: can find it at Breitbart dot com. Bob, thank you
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Speaker 1: for being with us. Tell me about the discovery of
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Speaker 1: this child. Thank you for having me.
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Speaker 3: On to discuss this horrific situation. So Sheriff Lines announced
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Speaker 3: they had recovered the body of this eleven year old
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Speaker 3: and this little girl. Just an absolutely tragic event. The
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Speaker 3: sheriff had taken mister McDougall around to various places he
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Speaker 3: had been that day. One of the places that he
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Speaker 3: took the Sheriff's department to was that bridge where they
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Speaker 3: found Audrey's body near one of the bridge pillars underneath
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Speaker 3: the bridge.
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Speaker 1: Stop right there, Bob Price, Number one. You think I
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Speaker 1: believe one thing that POC says technical legal term, piece
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Speaker 1: of crap. One thing he says, he's going to twist
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Speaker 1: this every way he can to his benefit. Hey, Bob Price,
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Speaker 1: when he was driving the police arounded, he say, oh, yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's where I put her body.
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Speaker 3: So what the sheriff explained is that he just took
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Speaker 3: them to places that he said he had been that day.
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Speaker 3: Kind of accounting for your time, so to speak.
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Speaker 1: Is it true this guy backed into a tree and
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Speaker 1: left and identifying mark from his bumper on the tree
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Speaker 1: when he was disposing of an eleven year old girl's body.
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Speaker 1: I think that's how they figured it out. They find
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Speaker 1: the backpack, they see that in mark on a tree,
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Speaker 1: and they know, well.
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Speaker 3: This is the place where the body was found. That
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Speaker 3: is about five miles down the river from where the
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Speaker 3: backpack was found. But yes, he reportedly did strike a
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Speaker 3: tree with his suburban and they were able to match
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Speaker 3: what I've been told, tire tracks and his bumper marks
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Speaker 3: to that location where the backpack was found, and then
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Speaker 3: the body was found lower down the river, and the
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Speaker 3: current's moving very swiftly there. This is just below the
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Speaker 3: lake Livingston Dam, and the water is high in the
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Speaker 3: lake right now, so they've been releasing a lot of water.
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Speaker 3: The current's been flowing rapid and that's why they were
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Speaker 3: able to lower the level of the lake, as you mentioned,
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Speaker 3: the river, in order to slow the currents down enough
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Speaker 3: that the divers could get in to where they suspected
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Speaker 3: her body would be end Sure enough, they've found us there.
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Speaker 3: I asked Sheriff Yons yesterday if there was any evidence
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Speaker 3: that the body had been weighted down or in any
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Speaker 3: other way rigged where it would stay underwater, and he
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Speaker 3: declined to answer that commed. He did not say no,
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Speaker 3: which I would think he would say no if that
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Speaker 3: wasn't the case, But he declined to answer that.
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Speaker 1: Can I ask you something, Bob Price, what is so
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Speaker 1: unique about his bumper that does he have a hitch
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Speaker 1: on it that they could identify the mark on the
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Speaker 1: tree and match it to his bumper.
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Speaker 3: I'm not sure exactly how they matched that. It could
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Speaker 3: be that there was maybe evidence of the tree on
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Speaker 3: the bumper, something like that.
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Speaker 1: I'm looking at it right now. There's got to be
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Speaker 1: something unique about that bumper. Maybe there's some paint on
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Speaker 1: the tree that will match up. I mean, you know,
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Speaker 1: you can forensically identify a type of paint from a
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Speaker 1: car and trace it to the year, the model, the
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Speaker 1: make the works, and then go back to his vehicle
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Speaker 1: and find, if you take the time, forensic evidence of
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Speaker 1: treat residue on the bumper. That said, joining me now.
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Speaker 1: In addition to Bob Price, Associate editor, senior news contributor Breitbart,
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Speaker 1: longtime friend and colleague, the gold Standard Mark Class is
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Speaker 1: joining me. Mark Class, founder of Class Kids Foundation at
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Speaker 1: classkids dot org, has devoted his life to finding missing
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Speaker 1: children after his beautiful daughter Polly was kidnapped and murdered.
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Speaker 1: Made that perp rot in hell Mark Class. Just so
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Speaker 1: many thoughts colliding in my head right now, because when
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Speaker 1: Bob Price, our investigative reporter joined is speaking, he's talking
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Speaker 1: about the currents and the cold water and her body
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Speaker 1: under a bridge. All I can think about is this
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Speaker 1: little girl's body going along with the current. Did probably
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Speaker 1: face down in that cold, cold water till it lodged
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Speaker 1: under a bridge, an eleven year old girl Mark Class.
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Speaker 1: Let it rip well.
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Speaker 4: Listen, Nancy.
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Speaker 5: Before he lowered her body or tossed her body into
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Speaker 5: the river, he ex exposed this child to the worst
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Speaker 5: possible nightmare that anyone could even envision. I mean, she
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Speaker 5: was taken to this place, she was murdered by this guy.
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Speaker 5: She was most likely sexually assaulted by this guy, and
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Speaker 5: he went on with his day after this. This is
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Speaker 5: a guy that has a criminal history, somebody that is
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Speaker 5: known to have caused harm, yet he was given access
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Speaker 5: to this child. I don't understand this dynamic at all.
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Speaker 5: I don't understand what the priorities were with this little
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Speaker 5: girl's family that this guy could even have access to
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Speaker 5: then commit the horrendous and dastardly deeds that he did.
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Speaker 3: It's absolutely obscene.
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Speaker 1: Hey, who's the speaking.
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Speaker 5: It is obscene?
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Speaker 3: That was Bob.
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, hey, Bob, Bob Price. I was just about
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Speaker 1: to go to you. Bob Price investigated reporter joining us
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Speaker 1: from Breitbart, Bob something, and I want to go back
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Speaker 1: to mark class on this. But Bob Price, Yes, No,
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Speaker 1: isn't it true that the defendant in this case, Don
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Speaker 1: Stephen mcdougle, aged forty two, was spotted at a gas
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Speaker 1: station around nine am and at that time he did
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Speaker 1: not have Audrey with him. Is that correct?
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Speaker 5: Yes?
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Speaker 3: Video evidence has proven that up to be true. According
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Speaker 3: to what we've heard, it's just absolutely obscene that this
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Speaker 3: man who was within a thousand yards of this little
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Speaker 3: girl at any time. This father is very evident, the
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Speaker 3: man that's covered with neo Nazi tattoos, Arian brotherhood tattoos, ss.
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Speaker 1: A Nazi swastika for Pete's sake, yes, all of these
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Speaker 1: kinds of things, and in pictures he's doing the one
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Speaker 1: too ab Arian brotherhood. I mean it's like a does
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Speaker 1: a piano have to fall on your head to know
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Speaker 1: this guy is bad? Stay away from him. And I'm
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Speaker 1: following up, Bob Price, thank you for confirming that, Mark Klass,
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Speaker 1: you said this and chills, arms and legs. He just
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Speaker 1: went on about his day like nothing had happened. There.
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Speaker 1: He is filling up with gas after he's been driving
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Speaker 1: around and around and around with this girl's body, probably
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Speaker 1: in the car to find a place to dump her body.
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Speaker 1: And look, he's a sex offender. He's already played guilty
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Speaker 1: to trying to have sex, taking the underwear and the
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Speaker 1: pj's off a little girl, getting in bed with her.
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Speaker 1: How did he get access to another little.
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Speaker 6: Girl, Nancy? He showed up at a donut shop across
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Speaker 6: from the courthouse, which is a mile from the jail
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Speaker 6: the next morning. Talk about nonchalant.
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Speaker 1: Yes, Mark Class, what you said just before Lanta jumped in,
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Speaker 1: Hey guys, Lanta Shadwick, high profile lawyer out of Texas
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Speaker 1: who has made her way out of the courtroom to
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Speaker 1: join us. Former Harris County judge and prosecutor Atlantashadwick dot
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Speaker 1: Com also added, as she's right, Mark Class, The guy
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Speaker 1: didn't just go for gas. He was propped up at
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Speaker 1: a donut shop. This is after he is disposed of
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Speaker 1: an eleven year old girl's body in that cold water
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Speaker 1: mark class.
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Speaker 5: Well, this man has absolutely no value for any life
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Speaker 5: other than his own, or he wouldn't have been able
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Speaker 5: to do that. His conscience would have stopped him. He
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Speaker 5: has no conscience. He's just a killing machine who, for
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Speaker 5: some inexplicable reason, was out and about with an eleven
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Speaker 5: year old girl. I don't know what anybody was actually
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Speaker 5: expecting the results of this union to be, but my god,
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Speaker 5: I'm my god. If you could only turn back time.
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Speaker 7: And talk about detached.
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Speaker 6: He goes to a donut shop, which.
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Speaker 8: Is right across from the courthouse. You can throw a
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Speaker 8: ball and hit the judge's window. I mean, if down
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Speaker 8: the street from the jail, what kind of narcissist or
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Speaker 8: detached individual is this?
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Speaker 6: You're going to go downtown where the cops are.
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Speaker 1: Crime stores with Nancy Gray, an eleven year old girl,
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Speaker 1: Audrey Cunningham kidnapped and killed. Why not the death penalty?
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Speaker 1: From what we understand, officials say that there was evidence
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Speaker 1: don Stephen McDougall, although he was charged with capital murder,
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Speaker 1: got a deal for life without parole because, as they say,
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Speaker 1: intellectual and developmental disabilities. In any event, what happened to Audrey?
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Speaker 1: Why was he allowed to be around eleven year old Audrey?
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Speaker 1: And he's out having a donut Mark Class A donut.
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Speaker 1: He's pumping his gas after driving. Don't you know he
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Speaker 1: went in all these acutest routes trying to figure out
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Speaker 1: where to hide this girl's body, this little eleven year
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Speaker 1: old girl with that big smile, and now he's got
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Speaker 1: to fill up his gas take and get a donut.
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Speaker 5: Really well, I don't know what even to say about
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Speaker 5: something like this, Nancy. I mean, one has to look
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Speaker 5: back to this guy's criminal history and to see how
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Speaker 5: he's been better in his medical history, and to see
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Speaker 5: how he's been diagnosed. I've spent my life trying to
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Speaker 5: keep people like this away from little children. You put
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Speaker 5: out the information, you educate people, you raise awareness, you
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Speaker 5: get laws passed. But still there are families that are
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Speaker 5: willing to allow something like this, allow a known monster
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Speaker 5: to have access, unfettered access, apparently to their little children.
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Speaker 4: I don't know what anybody expects the outcomes of these
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Speaker 4: kinds of situations to be. It's just it's unbelievable, it's uncivilized,
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Speaker 4: it's it's nightmarriage. It's spawned from the devil himself.
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Speaker 1: Have you looked at this guy's tattoos. I'm not trashing tattoos,
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Speaker 1: don't care. You want to ink up your body, have
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Speaker 1: at it. But when you put swastikas an Arian Brotherhood
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Speaker 1: tattoos all over your body, you're like a walking billboard.
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Speaker 1: You might as well walk down Third Avenue in New
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Speaker 1: York City with a sign that says I am a
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Speaker 1: piece of crap. Stay away from me. I mean, who
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Speaker 1: puts a Nazi swastika on their arm in playing view?
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Speaker 1: And it insists on wearing the sleeveless wife beater t shirts.
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Speaker 1: He's proud of it. Jump in.
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Speaker 9: He's walking billboard for the penitentiary system if we you
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Speaker 9: know to your point? And I think Mark is an
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Speaker 9: absolute warrior for children around this country. He speaks with authenticity,
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Speaker 9: and when we think about this guy being out on
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Speaker 9: the streets, it's just horrendous that he would have had
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Speaker 9: access to this small child.
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Speaker 1: Guess what I'm holding in my hand right now, guys,
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Speaker 1: a wrap sheet. It goes all the wait back to
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Speaker 1: two thousand and one, possession of pot Cleveland, two thousand
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Speaker 1: and two, Assault of a public servant, don't know what
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Speaker 1: that was two thousand and three, drugs two thousand and three,
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Speaker 1: assault two thousand and three, more marijuana two thousand and five,
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Speaker 1: Evading arrest two thousand and six. Theft keeps on going
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Speaker 1: and meth. Now he's onto meth, and they say pot's
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Speaker 1: not a gateway drug. Okay, whatever, two thousand and seven.
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Speaker 1: Enticing child. There you go, there you go. That should
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Speaker 1: have been a child molestation, Church felony. More aggravated assault,
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Speaker 1: unauthorized use of vehicle that I guarantee you that was
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Speaker 1: planned down from a theft by receiving stolen property being
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Speaker 1: a car twenty fourteen, theft of property, reckless driving, assault
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Speaker 1: for bodily injury, harassment twenty three, resisting arrest. You know,
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Speaker 1: hold on just a moment. Why am I reading the
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Speaker 1: rap shape? I have a victim with me right now.
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Speaker 1: Elick Brian the third who was assaulted by this perv
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Speaker 1: Don Steven McDougall in two thousand and ten. Elec Bryan
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Speaker 1: the third, what happened?
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Speaker 7: Well, he started working at.
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Speaker 10: The place I was at, which was where I was
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Speaker 10: We worked in an oil change place at Crosby, Texas. Yep,
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Speaker 10: And some friends brought him over to my house and
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Speaker 10: he got a little bludger it when he was drunk
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Speaker 10: and started making comments and actions towards one of their wives.
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Speaker 1: Well well wait, wait, wait, wait, wait wait wait, Eleck
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Speaker 1: Brian the third, what kind of comment did he make
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Speaker 1: to a woman?
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Speaker 7: Oh, he was basically he was grabbing her and hitting
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Speaker 7: on her, like he was trying to do inappropriate things
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Speaker 7: with her.
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Speaker 1: Have sex with her pretty much, Yes, ma'am. Did he
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Speaker 1: touch any of her private parts? Grabber in your breast?
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Speaker 1: What was he saying?
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Speaker 7: He was just talking. I don't know if he's where
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Speaker 7: he touched her because I wasn't that part of it.
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Speaker 7: But she would come out and said that he was
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Speaker 7: groping her and that he was saying lewd things about
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Speaker 7: her and how he wanted to have sex with her.
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Speaker 1: Sure he didn't say I want to have sex with you.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure he says something along the lines of I
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Speaker 1: want to f you. I gave up cursing, so sorry
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Speaker 1: about that, Elie Brian the third. And this is in
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Speaker 1: a public place with a group of women and men around.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, this was at my house.
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Speaker 1: So, Elick, if he would do that in front of
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Speaker 1: grown men and women grope a woman, what would he
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Speaker 1: do with an eleven year old little girl all alone
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Speaker 1: in his suv or all alone in her home and
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Speaker 1: defend herself. She couldn't defend herself. And in her mind,
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Speaker 1: this is daddy's friend. You know how hard it is
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Speaker 1: to get child molestation victims to speak out. They don't
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Speaker 1: even understand what's happened to them. And this is daddy's friend.
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Speaker 1: What's she gonna do? She probably thinks, well, daddy knows.
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Speaker 7: And it is that they went on vacations together.
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Speaker 1: Okay, what how do you know this? Please tell me
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Speaker 1: what you know, Elick. Brian the third, There is.
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Speaker 7: A Facebook pooch called Justice for Audrey Cunningham and there
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Speaker 7: are pictures on there of them in a vehicle, Dawn
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Speaker 7: and Audorie and a group of family members going on
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Speaker 7: vacation to Florida back.
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Speaker 1: To you getting attacked. So the woman comes out and says,
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Speaker 1: this guy is groping me. Then what happens, Well.
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Speaker 7: Her husband tries to fight him. Then I stop him
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Speaker 7: and we just throw him out of the house.
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Speaker 1: You don't, right, the husband better try to fight him.
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Speaker 1: If David Lynch didn't punch the daylights out of him,
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Speaker 1: if it were me, we'd be looking at a divorce
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Speaker 1: lawyer right now. So the husband goes in, he tries
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Speaker 1: to take a swing at McDougall. You break it up,
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Speaker 1: and then what happened?
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Speaker 7: So he basically just I just forced him out of
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Speaker 7: the house thumb he's got to go okay, and you
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Speaker 7: know he's beingligerent with me at this time. And I
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Speaker 7: pushed him out the door. And then a little time
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Speaker 7: goes by and I heard somebody beating on the door.
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Speaker 11: It's him.
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Speaker 7: He has a knife and he stabbed it at my
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Speaker 7: door trying to get back in the house.
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Speaker 1: Then what happened.
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Speaker 7: I grabbed my shotgun and I open up the front
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Speaker 7: door and he comes at me with the knife and
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Speaker 7: I hit him in the face with the gun with
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Speaker 7: the barrel of the gun and give me back out
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Speaker 7: the door, and we call the cops.
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Speaker 1: He came at you with a knife.
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Speaker 11: Yes, ma'am.
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Speaker 1: Then what happened?
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Speaker 7: Like I said, I hit him in the face with
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Speaker 7: the barrel of the gun and pushed him out and
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Speaker 7: slammed the door and called the cops.
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Speaker 1: Well, so far you're the only one that has gotten
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Speaker 1: justice with this guy, Don Stephen McDougall. And it seems
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Speaker 1: like even the barrel end of a gun didn't teach
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Speaker 1: him a lesson, because here he is with this eleven
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Speaker 1: year old girl. Doctor Kendall Crowns helped me out. Guys
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Speaker 1: with me. Renowned chief medical eg examin or Tarrant County lecturer,
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Speaker 1: Texas Christian University Medical School has performed literally thousands of autopsies,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Crowns, thank you for being with us. Please give
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Speaker 1: me some good news, if there is any good news
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Speaker 1: right now. Forensically, did the cold water help us in
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Speaker 1: any way to determine cood cause of death?
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Speaker 11: The cold water will slow down the decompositional process, so
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Speaker 11: it will preserve injuries better instead of the injuries being
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Speaker 11: obscured by the body decomposing will be kept intact. So
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Speaker 11: in that manner, it'll aid the investigators with the case
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Speaker 11: because there will be west decomposition.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Kendll Crowns, You've perform so many autopsies. When you
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Speaker 1: see a child like Audrey laying there on your autopsy table,
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Speaker 1: I don't know, are you like me? Sometimes I don't
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Speaker 1: know to cry or be angry or just throw up,
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Speaker 1: just vomit. How do you do it?
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Speaker 11: There's always an emotional component with children, but you have
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Speaker 11: to always say to yourself, you're here to get the answers.
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Speaker 11: You're here to catch those people that have caused this stath,
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Speaker 11: or for that matter, to exonerate people that have been
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Speaker 11: blamed for it. So you're there to get answers, and
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Speaker 11: you can't let your emotions cloud your judgment, are making bias.
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Speaker 1: Ellie Brian the third who was assaulted by this same
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Speaker 1: guy Don Steve McDougall now person of interest suspect in
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Speaker 1: the brutal murder, and I guarantee you the rape. I'm
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Speaker 1: an eleven year old little girl, defenseless. My guess is
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Speaker 1: alone in the car with this guy who is living
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Speaker 1: in a camper in daddy's backyard. You are quoted saying
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Speaker 1: that he came back to your house and started stabbing
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Speaker 1: the door and the tires of the cars. He pulled
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Speaker 1: a knife on you and came at you. Most important,
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Speaker 1: you're not surprised to hear he's involved in Audrey's disappearance.
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Speaker 1: Why do you say that.
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Speaker 4: Not at all?
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Speaker 7: Because it was just a couple of years ago, I
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Speaker 7: saw it on Facebook where somebody was looking for information
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Speaker 7: on him because he was sending lude pictures to their
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Speaker 7: little girl.
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Speaker 1: Dear Lord in Heaven, slow it down, Eb. The third,
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Speaker 1: what did you just say?
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Speaker 7: Somebody had posted on Facebook about him, a picture of
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Speaker 7: him and his name, saying that he was sending lud
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Speaker 7: pictures to live.
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Speaker 1: To their daughters. Mark Class. Does it never end with
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Speaker 1: this guy?
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Speaker 7: Well, I think that's an important point.
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Speaker 5: I mean, this guy is an habitual criminal. This guy
22:48
Speaker 5: has been doing gastardly horrible things his entire life. And
22:52
Speaker 5: exactly where does the prosecutor get off thinking that being
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Speaker 5: light on this guy is somehow going to change it
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Speaker 5: and make it better for the next individual that has
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Speaker 5: to face him. Obviously, this guy has done how many years,
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Speaker 5: over twenty years of criminal activity, NonStop criminal activity, assault,
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Speaker 5: going after little girls, doing all of these horrible things.
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Speaker 5: Yet here he is on the street in a car
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Speaker 5: with a little girl. And who is he. He's daddy's friend,
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Speaker 5: you know what, Nancy, He's daddy's friend until he isn't
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Speaker 5: daddy's friend. He's daddy's friend until he takes her out
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Speaker 5: of the car and starts doing whatever that hell it
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Speaker 5: is that he did to her that made him believe
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Speaker 5: he had to throw her dead body into a river.
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Speaker 5: It's just pure evil. Why is this guy even existing?
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Speaker 5: Why is this guy even on the face of the earth. Certainly,
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Speaker 5: why is this guy in society?
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Speaker 1: I'm about to go to our shrink. Karen ll start
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Speaker 1: joining us out on New York Renown TV radio. Trump
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Speaker 1: expert and consultant Atlanta Shadwick set it up for me.
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Speaker 1: Here is a with this long record. You were a prosecutor,
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Speaker 1: you're a judge. Now you're a high profile lawyer in
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Speaker 1: this jurisdiction, Livingston, Texas. You know what, every time I
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Speaker 1: would get a case, it could be a car theft,
24:13
Speaker 1: it could be a nickel bag, it could be any
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Speaker 1: number of things. And if I saw the defendant had
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Speaker 1: a gun, all I could think about was my fiancee Keith,
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Speaker 1: getting murdered, and I would insist on jail time every
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Speaker 1: time I could get it. Why in the h e
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Speaker 1: double l with this guy crawled into a little girl's
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Speaker 1: bed and wrestled off her pajamas and her underwear. Why
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Speaker 1: did he get a cheap plea and walk out free,
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Speaker 1: walk out free?
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Speaker 6: I don't know what they do in Brasouria County, but
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Speaker 6: that won't fly in Pole County, East Texas. I'm just
24:55
Speaker 6: telling you right now.
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Speaker 1: And another thing there he is I have to find
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Speaker 1: out from so Elick Brian the third that this guy
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Speaker 1: is in sending lewd which means his penis. That's what
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Speaker 1: that means, pictures to her daughters on Facebook. He's not
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Speaker 1: even trying to hide it. For Peinte's sake, that was
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Speaker 1: never prosecuted. I'm just hearing about that the first time
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Speaker 1: right now, Lenna.
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Speaker 6: Well, and not only that there was a stabbing in
25:22
Speaker 6: August that he was being held on since I guess
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Speaker 6: Friday with regard to an aggravated assault with a deadly whimp.
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Speaker 6: That's a clue in Texas. That's what we call a clue.
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Speaker 1: That's what I call a similar transaction. David Stanley, Yes, yes, yes, yes, okay.
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Speaker 1: Karen Stark, I've set it up for you with me
25:45
Speaker 1: as psychologist Karen Stark at Karenstark dot com. That's Karen
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Speaker 1: with a C in case you need her. Karen number one.
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Speaker 1: Who is this guy? Except I hope about to enter
25:57
Speaker 1: death row? But who are these people that kept letting
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Speaker 1: him off over and over and over.
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Speaker 12: It's impossible to understand how he was able to get
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Speaker 12: away with this. It just doesn't make any sense. He
26:12
Speaker 12: is a psychopath. There is no surprise at all that
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Speaker 12: he was out there and committing these crimes and after
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Speaker 12: young girls. And he's a walking advertisement with those tattoos.
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Speaker 12: He's telling you who he is.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I know all that, no offense, Karen, Sorry, I
26:31
Speaker 1: know all that. I can see all that. I'm asking
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Speaker 1: you what is he psychologically? Who is he and how
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Speaker 1: is he managed to charm people to let him into
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Speaker 1: their lives? Nancy?
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Speaker 12: A textbook case of a psychopath. He has no conscience.
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Speaker 12: He could be out there eating a whole meal after
26:48
Speaker 12: he killed her, and yes, you're right, there's no doubt
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Speaker 12: in my mind that he sexually assaulted her, that he
26:55
Speaker 12: probably raped this little eleven year old. And he does
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Speaker 12: not have a conscience, just like Mark said, so it
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Speaker 12: doesn't mean a thing to him. He could be out
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Speaker 12: there and then do it again and again and again,
27:08
Speaker 12: and it just is shocking. I don't have an answer
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Speaker 12: for why he kept getting off and being.
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Speaker 1: Allowed to be out there.
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Speaker 12: In addition to which, why was he living on the property.
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Speaker 12: How could somebody not see with the way that he
27:23
Speaker 12: presented himself that he was a danger to this little
27:28
Speaker 12: girl and should never have been around her.
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Speaker 1: My Price joining me associate editor, senior news contributor bright Bart.
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Speaker 1: You can find me at brightbart dot com. Bob Price, again,
27:39
Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. I understand that Audrey's
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Speaker 1: body was lodged on something underneath a bridge. Is that correct?
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Speaker 3: Yes, I was down there by the river, and I
27:51
Speaker 3: noticed a large number of uniformed practical police officers in
27:57
Speaker 3: the area. There were boats in the area, probably thirty
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Speaker 3: to forty people right in that one area where the
28:02
Speaker 3: body was found. And that is unusual based on what
28:05
Speaker 3: the previous day's activity had been at those locations. So clearly,
28:10
Speaker 3: sometimes Sunday night, or excuse me that Sunday night, these
28:14
Speaker 3: days are running together now Tuesday night, Monday night, excuse me.
28:18
Speaker 3: The Equoshearch people we believe discovered using their sonar, discovered
28:23
Speaker 3: that her body was lodged down there. The currents were
28:27
Speaker 3: too strong at that point in time to get her out,
28:31
Speaker 3: and so the police were there to secure that area.
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Speaker 3: Later on Tuesday, they declared it to be a crime scene.
28:38
Speaker 3: As of this morning, we have an update that the
28:41
Speaker 3: district Attorney, Shelley Sitton, has now filed the capital murder
28:44
Speaker 3: charges against Donald Don Stephen McDougall. And this is not
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Speaker 3: the only child he was hanging around with in recent months.
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Speaker 3: There's another little girl who's a friend of Audrey's. Audrey
28:56
Speaker 3: went to her birthday party, and Stephen McDougall thinks that
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Speaker 3: going to eleven year old girl's birthday parties is a
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Speaker 3: cool thing to do. And these parents, who obviously know
29:06
Speaker 3: who this guy is, I think it's okay for this
29:09
Speaker 3: neo Nazi Aryan nation hate group wearing ketsure. I can't
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Speaker 3: even describe all this stuff, you know, for them to
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Speaker 3: bring this thug, this animal to their children's birthday party.
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Speaker 1: You know, I'm thinking back Atlanta, Shadwick. I want to
29:28
Speaker 1: hear your thoughts on this. I remember when the twins
29:29
Speaker 1: were born, they were very premature, and we have a relative.
29:33
Speaker 1: He's perfectly nice, but he smokes. I wouldn't even let
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Speaker 1: him come in and visit the twins because he smoked,
29:42
Speaker 1: and I didn't want. You know, nicotine can trigger sudden
29:46
Speaker 1: infant death syndrome, and it hurt me to do it. Oh,
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Speaker 1: I love him, but he couldn't come in. So how
29:55
Speaker 1: in the hell do you let a Nazi Arian brother
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Speaker 1: around your children.
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Speaker 6: Well, there's there's two theories to that, not taking up
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Speaker 6: for him or anything like that.
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Speaker 11: But there's a social.
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Speaker 6: Media video post of an individual who's had altercations with McDougall.
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Speaker 6: And she said he's charming.
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Speaker 7: He works for you.
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Speaker 6: You wouldn't believe anything. And then boom, and she was
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Speaker 6: in the car with them. He took a cell phone
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Speaker 6: away from her.
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Speaker 1: Whoa, whoa, wha, wha, wha wait wait, wait, drinking from
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Speaker 1: the far Roger first, Eli Brian the third tells me
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Speaker 1: about this guy coming at him with a knife. Nothing happened,
30:37
Speaker 1: He walked right out of jail. Then I find out
30:39
Speaker 1: he's trying to send we believe pena shots to little girls. Now, well,
30:45
Speaker 1: what happened with the woman in the car. Why did
30:47
Speaker 1: he take away her cell phone?
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Speaker 5: I do not know.
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Speaker 8: She knew she was in trouble, but she I don't
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Speaker 8: believe charges were filed.
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Speaker 6: I don't believe she went to the authorities.
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Speaker 3: But she's talking.
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Speaker 1: Now, why would he take away her cell phone?
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Speaker 8: That's not good so you can't use it to call
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Speaker 8: for help.
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Speaker 1: Okay, just having a hard time taking all of this.
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Speaker 1: In Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Don Stephen McDougall got
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Speaker 1: a deal for life without parole because, as they say,
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Speaker 1: intellectual and developmental disabilities. Are you kidding me? Because after
31:36
Speaker 1: he was charging this, he went on social media and
31:39
Speaker 1: declared he did nothing wrong and used every trick in
31:42
Speaker 1: the trade to cover his tracks. You know what, this
31:46
Speaker 1: guy was intellectual and develop mentally developed enough to cover
31:51
Speaker 1: his tracks and have the wherewithal to lie about his
31:56
Speaker 1: guilt and innocence. What happened to Audrey mcdonaugh, director Cole
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Speaker 1: Case Foundation, former homicide detective, host of a YouTube channel,
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Speaker 1: The Interview Ring where I found him? Chris McDonough, I've
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Speaker 1: done a lot of water searches and diving myself, but
32:13
Speaker 1: I've never seen a body, an entire body of water lowered,
32:20
Speaker 1: the water level lowered to get to the victim. Tell
32:24
Speaker 1: me how it's done, because you have you know.
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Speaker 9: That was a great investigative move by law enforcement in
32:30
Speaker 9: this case, by working with the Trinity River Authority engineers
32:35
Speaker 9: and basically as we're where, there's a reservoir above and
32:39
Speaker 9: so what they do is they close the what they're
32:42
Speaker 9: called lockgates, which controls the flow of water downstream because
32:46
Speaker 9: everybody knows water goes in one particular direction, and that,
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Speaker 9: in of itself then opened up an opportunity for the
32:54
Speaker 9: search forensic diving teams. Maybe they've got dogs on boats
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Speaker 9: where sometimes you can get the scent.
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Speaker 1: And remember everybody, dogs can smell your scent, your clothes,
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Speaker 1: a dead body, you name it, even in water. Go ahead, Chris, yes, ma'am.
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Speaker 9: And so whenever you have a body dumped into water,
33:21
Speaker 9: there are a lot of considerations from an investigative aspect
33:26
Speaker 9: have to be taken place almost immediately. The first one
33:30
Speaker 9: question I want to know is did she have Was
33:34
Speaker 9: she alive when she went into the water.
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Speaker 1: Oh, dear Lord in heaven, why don't you make me
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Speaker 1: think about that. I haven't even considered that. To doctor
33:43
Speaker 1: Kindle Crowns, let's follow up on what Chris mcdunna just said,
33:47
Speaker 1: Crown's chief medical examiner, Tirett County, this jurisdiction, Texas, Doctor
33:52
Speaker 1: Kittle Crowns in a nutshell, no Latin phrases, no medical terms.
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Speaker 1: How do you determine and if this child was alive
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Speaker 1: when she was put in the water.
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Speaker 11: So usually when an individual drowned, there will be changes
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Speaker 11: in the body that she can find, which includes uh
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Speaker 11: fluid on the lungs called pomery edema. They will often
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Speaker 11: swallow a lot of water into their stomach, so you
34:17
Speaker 11: look for that. Those two are the main criteria for
34:21
Speaker 11: looking for a drowning.
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Speaker 1: You're saying, doctor kimmel Kraus, to tell somebody drowned alive,
34:26
Speaker 1: they're putting the water alive. You'd find pulmonary edema. I
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Speaker 1: thought that was water around the heart.
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Speaker 11: Water around the heart would be in the paracardial factors
34:36
Speaker 11: of spects surrounding the heart. But you wouldn't see any
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Speaker 11: water in the heart. You'd see water in the.
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Speaker 1: Lung water or fluid. You mean lake water, late water,
34:44
Speaker 1: lake water? Okay, just question, why did you say she'd
34:48
Speaker 1: have pulmonary edema? Ay? What is that? Two? When you
34:52
Speaker 1: so easily said she'd have late water in her lungs?
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Speaker 11: Well, because if you're alive and you're thrown into the water,
34:57
Speaker 11: when you're alive, you'll be gasping and inhaling the water,
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Speaker 11: so you would pull that into your lungs and into
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Speaker 11: your stomach or into your airways. And into your stomach.
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Speaker 11: You would find that in the autopsy.
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Speaker 1: How do you examine the lungs to determine there's water
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Speaker 1: and how do you well, I mean too into still
35:16
Speaker 1: equals four. How do you determine that water was from
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Speaker 1: the lake or do you really even have to?
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Speaker 11: So you can do it with the autopsy, the lungs
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Speaker 11: will be heavy and full of fluid, and then on
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Speaker 11: histology or microscopic examination you can look for debris from
35:31
Speaker 11: the lake water in the ways.
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Speaker 1: Yes, debris from the lake water. How do you get
35:37
Speaker 1: the water in any debris therein out of the lungs
35:43
Speaker 1: in order to analyze.
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Speaker 11: It, Well, you wouldn't get it out. You would actually
35:46
Speaker 11: take sections of the lung at autopsy that then would
35:50
Speaker 11: be processed and turned into microscopic sections to look out
35:53
Speaker 11: under the microscope, and that debris would still be there
35:56
Speaker 11: because it would be entrapped in the airway.
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Speaker 1: My price is joining me investigative reporter, Associate editor, senior
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Speaker 1: needs contributor Breitbart Bob, I know that there was a
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Speaker 1: recreational lake. Is she found in the lake or is
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Speaker 1: she found in the river that feeds into and out
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Speaker 1: of the lake.
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Speaker 3: So Lake Livingston is the second largest lake in Texas,
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Speaker 3: and she was found below the dam in the Trinity River.
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Speaker 3: The lake is a contributing waterway to the Trinity River,
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Speaker 3: about five miles downstream from where the dam is and
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Speaker 3: from where the backpack was found. So it's still unclear
36:36
Speaker 3: at this time if she entered the water or was
36:39
Speaker 3: placed in the water near the dam and floated downstream
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Speaker 3: and became entangled in the bulk in the pilings of
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Speaker 3: the bridge, or if McDougall, because he said he went
36:50
Speaker 3: to that bridge that day that area, did McDougall place
36:54
Speaker 3: her there and trap her in that area where her
36:57
Speaker 3: body would, hopefully, on his part, never be found.
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Speaker 1: Mark Klass joining me, founder of Class Kids Foundation class
37:03
Speaker 1: kids dot org. Mark, let me talk to you about
37:07
Speaker 1: the defendant. You've dealt with so many child killers. Do
37:14
Speaker 1: you think this guy intentionally put her in the river
37:18
Speaker 1: so her body would travel far from the disposal spot?
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Speaker 5: Yeah?
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Speaker 12: I do.
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Speaker 5: I mean, I think he was trying to disappear her.
37:26
Speaker 5: I don't think there's any question about that. But I wonder,
37:30
Speaker 5: listening to this guy's history and listening to what this
37:32
Speaker 5: guy's been allowed to do, if this little girl ever
37:36
Speaker 5: had a chance. I mean the minute this guy stepped
37:39
Speaker 5: on that property and was allowed to stay on the property.
37:44
Speaker 5: I think that this child was doomed. And I think
37:46
Speaker 5: that the supervising adults around her should have understood and
37:50
Speaker 5: realized that, and they didn't. They failed their child in
37:53
Speaker 5: the worst possible way. It's absolutely unbelievable. Who lets with
37:58
Speaker 5: Neil Nazi live on your property? A Neil Nazi lets
38:02
Speaker 5: a Neil Nazi live on their property, particularly somebody that's
38:06
Speaker 5: got the uniform that proudly wears the swasti because it
38:10
Speaker 5: proudly carries his criminal history that looks forward to more
38:14
Speaker 5: Mayhem and more mayhem. And it's always escalating, Nancy, these
38:18
Speaker 5: things always escalate. And at the end, and we talked
38:21
Speaker 5: about this hundreds of times, at the end, there's a
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Speaker 5: dead little girl or a dead little boy and we
38:27
Speaker 5: all go, well, gee, how could this have happened? Well,
38:29
Speaker 5: sometimes it's inevitable, you know.
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Speaker 1: Mark, You're right, inevitable. I feel like Audrey never had
38:39
Speaker 1: a chance. The twisted murderer who kidnapped and killed an
38:44
Speaker 1: eleven year old girl, Audrey Cunningham, takes a play deal.
38:49
Speaker 1: Why not the death penalty? From what we understand. Officials
38:56
Speaker 1: say that there was evidence. Don Stephen McDougall, although he
39:02
Speaker 1: was charged with capital murder, got a deal for life
39:06
Speaker 1: without parole because, as they say, intellectual and developmental disabilities. Again,
39:16
Speaker 1: a child disappearing related to a route to school is overwhelming.
39:24
Speaker 1: The evidence reveals so much intent to commit a heinous act.
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Speaker 1: Sometime there just ain't no justice. Goodbye friend,