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Elizabeth Holmes Lets Us See Everything? Selena's Vape Voice and Miley's Bowl Blues · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 3: and welcome to Juicy Scoop. We have so much to
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  Speaker 4: Of course.
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  Speaker 3: So first, before we– we have so much to get into,
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  Speaker 3: but I do want to talk about the hottest movie
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  Speaker 3: that– I mean, listen, you guys know I've talked about
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  Speaker 3: Elizabeth Holmes for years. I like to imitate her. I
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  Speaker 3: was obsessed with the Hulu show and all that with
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  Speaker 3: the one drop. So we knew that Nathan– what's his
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  Speaker 3: last name? Sorry. Can someone tell me his last– Friedman. Fielder. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: hold on. So we know that Nathan Fielder, who is
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  Speaker 3: very popular, I wasn't that familiar with his work, the
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  Speaker 3: rehearsal and all this, that he was going to do
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  Speaker 3: this documentary on her. And people were so excited. And
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  Speaker 3: the minute it came out Friday, I heard from people,
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  Speaker 3: you've got to see it.
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  Speaker 4: Everyone's been telling me about it.
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  Speaker 3: You were flying in from New York, so you have
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  Speaker 3: not been able to see it. And a lot of
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  Speaker 3: people are saying, just go see it without any spoilers.
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  Speaker 3: So I don't want to totally spoil it, but I
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  Speaker 3: did want to give my perspective because it's You're watching
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  Speaker 3: this documentary. He moves in with them. So Elizabeth Holmes,
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  Speaker 3: what I always thought was so interesting is after she
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  Speaker 3: was convicted of all this fraudulent stuff, that she created
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  Speaker 3: this machine. She lied about it. We saw it spelled
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  Speaker 3: out in the Hulu movie.
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  Speaker 4: She's been booed by some of the most smartest people
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  Speaker 4: in the world.
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  Speaker 3: Right. Fascinating. And she also got so much media attention
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  Speaker 3: because she was pretty attractive and she was making it...
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  Speaker 3: I know you don't think so, but for a nerdy girl,
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  Speaker 3: when she got her hair real blonde and put on
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  Speaker 3: that turtleneck and those big blue eyes, it And she
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  Speaker 3: was nerdy.
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  Speaker 4: And deep into her voice.
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  Speaker 3: The deep voice. And she was nerdy. So I think
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  Speaker 3: nerdy guys kind of were like, okay. And an old
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  Speaker 3: nerd was like, all right, and wanted to believe in
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  Speaker 3: this thing. And I saw the interviews with her in
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  Speaker 3: the beginning. And I was like, I remember going, wow,
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  Speaker 3: this is amazing that you could just go get one
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  Speaker 3: drop of blood could test you for like a million diseases.
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  Speaker 3: And so- I was very curious about this movie, and
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  Speaker 3: now everyone's talking about, was this real? Was it not?
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  Speaker 3: What did I really watch? It's really a documentary about
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  Speaker 3: making a documentary, because in my opinion. So it starts out,
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  Speaker 3: but he's a huge part of it. So you see
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  Speaker 3: the documentarian throughout it, which normally you wouldn't see. You'd
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  Speaker 3: see the person sitting in the chair and all that.
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  Speaker 3: And And then there's this element that they think is
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  Speaker 3: a big surprise, but to me, I'm just going to
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  Speaker 3: say I don't care, where they kind of reveal that
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  Speaker 3: the husband or the father has two kids. So she
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  Speaker 3: meets this guy. And I remember when I heard that
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  Speaker 3: she was with this guy, his parents are hoteliers. He
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  Speaker 3: comes from a lot of money, but he also has
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  Speaker 3: an MIT degree. And when you first see him, he's
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  Speaker 3: like hot. You're like, she's like so dorky. You're like,
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  Speaker 3: how did she like pull in this hot guy? And
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  Speaker 3: he's like fit and tall. But by the end of
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  Speaker 3: the movie, you're like, how did he get so ugly
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  Speaker 3: in just a couple hours of watching this?
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  Speaker 4: It's based off his personality?
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  Speaker 3: Yes. What gets revealed about him and all the different things.
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  Speaker 3: They present it in a way that you're like, okay.
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  Speaker 3: You know, you end up more confused when you leave.
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  Speaker 3: You're like, I still don't know this person. And the
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  Speaker 3: whole thing is like– but one thing that you– everyone
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  Speaker 3: walks away with, I believe, and this is why I
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  Speaker 3: think she did it, is you see her with these
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  Speaker 3: two young children who she has to leave. The dad
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  Speaker 3: then brings them every week. He moves to Texas.
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  Speaker 4: She was at the– she's at– Jen Shaw's prison.
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  Speaker 3: Brian's prison. It's called Brian prison camp or something.
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  Speaker 4: I call it Jen Shaw's prison.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. And they became friends when they were there. And
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  Speaker 3: you can sit out on the lawn with your kids
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  Speaker 3: and things like that. But he brings them every week.
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  Speaker 3: And I was like, hey, you know, that is pretty great.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know what his intentions are. He's obviously a
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  Speaker 3: decent dad. But then in the movie, after she's gone
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  Speaker 3: to prison, they come and there's like a walking lizard
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  Speaker 3: or iguana in their house. Like just hanging out. And
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  Speaker 3: I was like, well, that doesn't sound like a great parent.
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  Speaker 3: It was very weird. I'll just summarize it as this, okay?
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  Speaker 3: I think that Nathan pitched this movie or had the
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  Speaker 3: intention of this movie with all of it planned out
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  Speaker 3: in that anything I don't get from her, I'm going
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  Speaker 3: to bring in a man. This is the spoiler part.
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  Speaker 3: Amanda Siegfried is part of it.
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  Speaker 4: The actress that played her?
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  Speaker 3: Yes. I don't care that I'm spoiling this.
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  Speaker 4: I don't care either.
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  Speaker 3: I love a good spoiler. People are going to know
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  Speaker 3: about it if you see it. Now it's five days out.
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  Speaker 3: So she comes in and because she played her then
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  Speaker 3: can kind of share– Things that he like legally can't share.
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  Speaker 3: So they sort of like, and that's a big shock.
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  Speaker 3: But now people are picking it apart and being like, really,
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  Speaker 3: what was this? And I first thought, the reason she's,
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  Speaker 3: why would she allow this to happen since she's saying
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  Speaker 3: the media has portrayed me in all these ways, I
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  Speaker 3: want you to see me. I think it was someone
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  Speaker 3: convinced her, listen, people should see you in a way
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  Speaker 3: with your children because- if you're up for pardon, I
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  Speaker 3: don't think she'll get up for pardon, but like if
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  Speaker 3: you're up for like cutting your 11 years in half
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  Speaker 3: or something, I don't think there'll be an outrage to
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  Speaker 3: keep you in there longer because you lied to big, rich, ugly,
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  Speaker 3: dork investors. You are a mom and you're a weirdo.
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  Speaker 3: And then also she comes off where you're like, I
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  Speaker 3: think she's could have like had great SAT scores and
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  Speaker 3: gotten at Stanford, but I also think she's like really dumb.
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  Speaker 4: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: So it's like, she's like, but you have to be
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  Speaker 3: pretty smart to be like an ultimate grifter.
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  Speaker 4: Oh my gosh. She is the ultimate grifter. And a manipulator.
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  Speaker 3: And then on CBS This Morning, they had the Theranos whistleblower,
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  Speaker 3: Tyler Schultz, who's featured in the Hulu doc. Remember his
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  Speaker 3: grandpa was like kind of an investor and he worked
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  Speaker 3: at the place. Yes. And he was really the whistleblower.
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  Speaker 3: And even the grandpa was like, shut up. He comes
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  Speaker 3: on CBS Good Morning and he's like, this person I'm
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  Speaker 3: seeing in this movie is completely unrecognizable. Like this is
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  Speaker 3: not who walked in in the turtleneck and could tell
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  Speaker 3: these billionaires and charm, thus manipulate. And the lies, like
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  Speaker 3: if you just, but you know, people's memories are very short.
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  Speaker 3: So you're watching it and she's basically doing this thing
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  Speaker 3: and he'll be like, it's like you're going back and forth.
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  Speaker 3: So it's like, he'll say, Um, so what was the truth?
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  Speaker 3: The truth is my truth. And I conveyed it that
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  Speaker 3: the machine did work, but the chemistry is what was
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  Speaker 3: still taking time. And he's like, so it didn't work.
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  Speaker 4: You do that too well.
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  Speaker 3: It did. It, it, it worked. And I'm being, I'm
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  Speaker 3: being completely transparent with you in telling you that it
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  Speaker 3: was my understanding of, that the elements that we had
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  Speaker 3: were in conjunction with what we were trying to convey.
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  Speaker 3: And so I don't know why I'm here. I don't,
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  Speaker 3: I'm living in a parallel. So she says it all.
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  Speaker 4: And I mean, and she's still doing that voice.
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  Speaker 3: It's still, It's not as low. It's really like– I'm
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  Speaker 3: doing more of a caricature. Like Amanda, the actress, she
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  Speaker 3: really got it down where it's like really long stairs
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  Speaker 3: and it's a little bit low but it's not as
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  Speaker 3: low as like what I'm– it's more like you can
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  Speaker 3: see everything. You can be every– I want you to
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  Speaker 3: know that I want to know about it.
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  Speaker 4: I wonder if it's a personality disorder. She really believes
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  Speaker 4: her lies.
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  Speaker 3: She believes her lies. I also think she is desperate
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  Speaker 3: in that she's very reliant on this husband. They kind
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  Speaker 3: of make the husband the villain, and they reveal some
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  Speaker 3: things that are very politically.
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  Speaker 4: Incorrect about it. I'm okay for you to spoil it,
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  Speaker 4: because whoever sees this.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean.
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  Speaker 4: Spoiler alert.
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  Speaker 3: The husband comes off, and he's like... Later on, you
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  Speaker 3: realize that he made an avatar of her, so that
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  Speaker 3: if she's gone for a long time, he could profit
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  Speaker 3: off of her image. He... And so I'm like, how
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  Speaker 3: did this movie come about? Then it comes out that
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  Speaker 3: he wants to get paid. And they're like, does she
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  Speaker 3: know that he wants to get paid? Because normally, always
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  Speaker 3: in documentaries, the subjects aren't supposed to be paid because
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  Speaker 3: you're agreeing to document. it so that people will see
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  Speaker 3: you but i have always thought that's sort of a
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  Speaker 3: bullshit rule yeah Why is– why are they going to–
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  Speaker 3: they already said the profits of– they've already made their
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  Speaker 3: money 217 percent back or something in four days. So
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  Speaker 3: I was like, why shouldn't they make money off of it? Well,
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  Speaker 3: because then they would think it was compromised. Listen, I've
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  Speaker 3: been part of documentaries. I've never been paid. And then
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  Speaker 3: I have found out that other people commenting on this
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  Speaker 3: stupid pop culture bullshit have been paid. Yes, it's true.
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  Speaker 3: So you can get paid.
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  Speaker 4: You can definitely get paid.
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  Speaker 3: People get paid.
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  Speaker 4: The American's Next Top Model documentary, some people were paid
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  Speaker 4: for that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm like, so he, they present that he
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  Speaker 3: wanted to be paid for it.
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  Speaker 4: But isn't he an heir? Does he need the money?
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  Speaker 3: I looked it up. They said he's worth $ 10 million,
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  Speaker 3: which is, you know, a lot of money, but they
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  Speaker 3: have small kids. They have to be on this earth
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  Speaker 3: for another 80 years. I don't know, you know.
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  Speaker 4: There's a family not taking care of him anymore either.
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  Speaker 3: Right, and then he's got some, then they tried to
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  Speaker 3: do it again. They're like working on another, like, science
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  Speaker 3: thing together, which is just insane. And so he.
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  Speaker 4: Elizabeth and her husband.
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  Speaker 3: And her husband, Billy Evans. So I did some more research.
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  Speaker 3: And one of the producers of this is Jack Davis
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  Speaker 3: of the Davis. It's one of the biggest entertainment, multigenerational families, USC, Annenberg,
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  Speaker 3: oil companies. This guy's uncle was married to Kim Richards.
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  Speaker 4: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: And then so he's like a grandson of the main money.
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  Speaker 3: His aunt I went to college with. So Jack Davis,
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  Speaker 3: I think, might have known Billy Evans. And he works
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  Speaker 3: for a, you know, he's a producer on A24 and
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  Speaker 3: kind of, I think, said this would be a really
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  Speaker 3: good thing for you. I think, A, we're going to
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  Speaker 3: see a human side of her. Maybe people will sympathize
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  Speaker 3: with her. But also it could be a big deal.
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  Speaker 3: And so he said, you know, I'd like to get
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  Speaker 3: paid for this. And they're not married because she owes
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  Speaker 3: millions of dollars of restitution. But I'm kind of like,
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  Speaker 3: why shouldn't he get paid? I was sort of like,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm not. So they kind of reveal
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  Speaker 3: that to be like, oh, my God, like this guy
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  Speaker 3: is the villain and he's like running her.
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  Speaker 4: But they're going to make millions off of this documentary.
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  Speaker 3: Yes. And he definitely does not come off good, which
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  Speaker 3: is so interesting. But then there's still this part of
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  Speaker 3: me that I'm like, listen, I know there's a lot
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  Speaker 3: of women in prison right now that have kids. And
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  Speaker 3: a lot of women are in prison for the crimes
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  Speaker 3: that their partner did. They get caught for helping with
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  Speaker 3: the drug dealers, whatever. And their partner is not bringing
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  Speaker 3: those kids every week. So I'm just sort of like,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. But he comes off awful.
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  Speaker 4: Based off the documentary that you've watched, did it change
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  Speaker 4: your mind about her?
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  Speaker 3: You know what it got to me is that some
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  Speaker 3: people that are professional liars, love bombers, grifters, shady business people,
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  Speaker 3: American greed, the reason why people are so fixated on
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  Speaker 3: a Dirty John or a love bomber is because– You
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  Speaker 3: just keep going, why? Why would they do this? What
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  Speaker 3: did they get off on it? Is the thrill walking
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  Speaker 3: into an open house and acting like you're going to
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  Speaker 3: buy this house and seeing the realtor get all excited
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  Speaker 3: because you are flashing around your fake watch and I
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  Speaker 3: don't know what the thrill is because I'm not a liar.
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  Speaker 3: So I think that's what it is. I think she's
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  Speaker 3: just the top of the chain of being like a
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  Speaker 3: fricking weirdo that nobody understands. And then they zoom in
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  Speaker 3: on like her big blue eyes and you're like, okay,
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  Speaker 3: I'm appreciating seeing your fucking pupil. I don't need to
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  Speaker 3: see your pores. I don't need to see Nathan's pores either.
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  Speaker 3: But it's this kind of way that they do it.
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  Speaker 3: And it's really brilliant. Like it's brilliant filmmaking. It's brilliant storytelling.
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  Speaker 3: There's twists and there's turns. It's three hours long and
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  Speaker 3: you're really not bored. And I mean maybe for some
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  Speaker 3: younger people they might feel it could.
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  Speaker 4: Have been cut down to two. I've only heard good
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  Speaker 4: things about it.
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  Speaker 3: But it is really amazing because it's fascinating. And because
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  Speaker 3: she's a woman, female criminals are also more fascinating than
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  Speaker 3: male because there's less of them including– financial scammers. At
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  Speaker 3: this level? Yeah, women do it, but it's sort of fascinating.
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  Speaker 3: And the fact that you see her and she's polite
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  Speaker 3: and sweet and nice and breastfeeding and caring towards her kids, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it's like a fascinating study, but you leave not knowing anything.
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  Speaker 3: So when they're like, you can see everything, you see
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  Speaker 3: that the letters are cut off And the truth is
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  Speaker 3: you really can't see. You really didn't get everything.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I can completely get the thrill of what
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  Speaker 4: she was able to do because she was able to
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  Speaker 4: convince some of the smartest, richest men in the world
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  Speaker 4: into believing her grift. That alone I can imagine making
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  Speaker 4: her be like, oh my gosh, look at what I did.
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  Speaker 4: And now everyone's talking about her.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 4: We're talking about her. Everyone on every level, every media site,
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  Speaker 4: they're still talking about her. How many years later?
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  Speaker 3: And this kind of happens with housewife grifters too, which
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  Speaker 3: we'll get into. Yeah. She and her husband focused on
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  Speaker 3: this one thing that they claim she never said that
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  Speaker 3: was written in the New York Times. In the New
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  Speaker 3: York Times, they did an article, an interview with her,
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  Speaker 3: and it says that she said, they were portraying a
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  Speaker 3: character that I created. And she said, I never said that.
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  Speaker 3: I said they were portraying a character, not a character
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  Speaker 3: that I created, a character. And they go back and forth.
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  Speaker 3: And in the end, Nathan doesn't get a real answer
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  Speaker 3: from The New York Times. There's no no one showed
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  Speaker 3: receipts on either side if she said it or not.
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  Speaker 3: And it's like they focus on one little thing, not
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  Speaker 3: the 600 times she said in the deposition, I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: About her stupid, dumb blood machine. Like they focus on
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  Speaker 3: this one little thing because it was like that article.
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  Speaker 3: You know how like Housewives will be like.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: It's all over the press. And you're like, no offense
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  Speaker 3: to reality blur, but that isn't all over the press.
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  Speaker 3: That is not all over the press. And, you know,
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  Speaker 3: and you said this one thing about me two years ago.
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  Speaker 3: And it's like, I get it because it's your life
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  Speaker 3: and it was a lie. And I've been there, too.
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  Speaker 3: But it's kind of interesting when there's so many bigger
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  Speaker 3: lies that she's going to take this one little moment
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  Speaker 3: from a New York Times article and be like, you remember?
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  Speaker 3: Remember in Pretty Wild, the TV show on E! that
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  Speaker 3: famous scene where the girl is so mad that in
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  Speaker 3: Vanity Fair, she was part of the Ringling. Oh. And
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  Speaker 3: that part in Vanity, and she talks to the Vanity Fair,
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  Speaker 3: and she's like, you wrote in the article that I
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  Speaker 3: had Louis Vuittons. They were not Louis Vuittons. They were
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  Speaker 3: kitten heels from Bebe. And so she's like, I don't
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  Speaker 3: like that you're portraying me as this like rich girl.
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  Speaker 3: When they weren't, you were wrong about my shoes. So
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  Speaker 3: maybe you're wrong about, and like they focus on one
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  Speaker 3: little thing. And- So that's– I mean.
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  Speaker 4: I've only heard great things about this documentary.
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: You have to see it because– I will. It causes
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: a lot of interest. But I think– in conclusion about this,
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: I think he planned it out knowing that he had
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: Amanda in his back pocket to come in and be
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: this thing. Because I don't think that A24 would think
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: that just a documentary following her around for 30 days
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: before she goes to prison for 11 years being sad
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: and crying in a dimly lit rented cottage in San
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: Diego would do it. Okay. And I also think that
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  Speaker 3: the motivation was in convincing her to do it. Let's
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  Speaker 3: show a side so that maybe your time will be
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: cut in half or a pardon or something that you're
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: actually a traditional mother and let's play on the mother card. And,
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: and then also he is a weirdo. And they were
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: two weirdos.
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: Coming together for love.
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: Come together that are like very dependent on each other.
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: And there is love there, but there is coercion and
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: manipulation and control happening.
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: On what side?
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: It appears to be he controlling her. But then you're
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: kind of like, I don't know. Because they're so like
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: they're weird and like the weird science smart side. But
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: then like she didn't get comedy. And I've had that
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: where I've interviewed people and I'm like, oh, they're not
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: getting I'm joking. And so he proves that by showing
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: this old funny bit who's on first with Abbott and Costello,
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: which you'd never seen, never heard of, which is normal.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: It's a very old black and white bit. But he
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: was like. he films that and you see that she
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: does not understand joking, which is also kind of a
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: sign of being on the spectrum and things like that
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: and just being like socially awkward. And that her partner
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: who also got convicted of these crimes who were CEO
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: was this older man. You might feel some sympathy, like
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: maybe she's just a girl that gets influenced by men,
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: which no matter how smart you are, no matter how
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: powerful you are, if you're a woman, no matter what
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: year it is, you can still be manipulated and controlled
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: by a man because that's the nature of our genders.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: So I think there's that.
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: Wow. So I'm seeing based off the documentary, you were
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: convinced that she was an innocent party. She was an
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: innocent party.
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: So it worked.
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: A24, you did that.
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: No, but I do think... that if we find out
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: that instead of doing 11 years, she only did four
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: and a half, I don't think people will be up
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: in arms and angry about it at all. And I
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: think that she will have a career and be a
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: fascinating person and maybe be a Real Housewives of San
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: Diego or wherever she is. Like, I think people will
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: still be fascinated by her afterwards. So I think her
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: fame may never go away.
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: People are still talking about Elizabeth Holmes. How many years later?
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: Well, they are because of this. Yeah. I definitely don't think.
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: But they're still interested.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 20:19
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• 20:21
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  Speaker 3: very big news about Selena Gomez, which is very interesting.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of people have said that her voice sounds different.
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  Speaker 3: It's changed. And just a history on Selena Gomez, she
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: had lupus, got a kidney transplant from her best friend,
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: who then was no longer her best friend, and has
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: been seen– vaping and things and cigarettes from over the
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  Speaker 3: years and people would get mad and if you were
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: the friend you'd be like why does my kidney have
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: to be subjected to smoke well now she did a
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  Speaker 3: video saying you're saying now people are saying her voice
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  Speaker 3: sounds different and she said my voice sounds different because
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: i have vaped for years and it's never going to
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: go back to what it is it sounds like this
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: and here's my psa don't vape which i'm like that's
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: good You shouldn't. I think she has to admit it.
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: And then, of course, extreme conspiracy theorists believe that, you know,
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: as a lizard took her over and entered her body
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: and it's not her and it's a totally different person
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: or you know how they think celebrities have been swapped?
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: I don't think that's the case. I think she's telling
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: the truth. We've seen her vape. I think she did vape.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: I think it did affect her voice. And I do
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: think this is a really good lesson.
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: And I'm not surprised that she vapes, especially being as
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: famous as she is. A lot of that is sort
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: of trying to help ease anxiety. And she's had a
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: lot of people, the Justin Bieber fans, everybody expecting a
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: lot from her. So I'm not surprised that she leaned
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: on something to kind of ease that anxiety. But as
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: the former best friend, I'd be pissed. I done gave
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: you a part of me. We're no longer friends and
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: you're abusing your body this way. I'd still be pissed
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: if I was the friend. As someone that just comments
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: on this stuff, good for you.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: Yes. And I... I remember I was years ago, I
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: was in a grocery store and I saw a magazine
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: and it was literally Selena Gomez and it was like
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: my best friend and it wasn't the girl that gave
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: the kidney. And I did a funny thing on Juicy
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: Scoop about it and that And the episode came out
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: and all of a sudden it was like my social
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: media was going crazy and I just didn't understand. And
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: I was like, wow, Selena Gomez, all these teenagers have
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: time to send me snake emojis and like threaten my life.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: How is this? And so I honestly did get scared
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: at that time. I didn't understand bots and I didn't
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: understand how maybe her team or whatever would work. And
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: it did keep me, it made me, I removed the video. Wow.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: And I, cause I did a clip of it, remove
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: the video. And I was like, um, okay, fine. And
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: I had to like block a million bots and all
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: this other stuff. And then I realized, oh, you know,
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: she doesn't, or her team doesn't want this being discussed.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: So one way to shut it down is just inundate
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: a content creators page. So you're like, you know what?
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: There's other bitches to talk about. Fuck this.
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: It kind of worked. It did work. But that's not
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: the first time I've heard.
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: That about her. I am now going to give her
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: flowers because I do want people to stop vaping. I
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: do think it's horrible. I do think it's even worse
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: than cigarettes. I predicted cigarettes would come back as a
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: way of flexing. I can spend $ 12 on a box
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: of cigarettes. I'm Dorit, you know. And– All of it's bad.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: All smoking is bad. Vaping is bad.
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: But she's a singer.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: It's all horrible for you. You only have your lungs.
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: She's a singer. You shouldn't be vaping, smoking, doing any
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: of that stuff.
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: Especially if you suffer from lupus and have a borrowed kidney. Borrowed?
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: Do you have to give it back?
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: I mean, let's hope the other girl's new best friend
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: doesn't need one.
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: I'd want it back.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: I think obviously they had some type of arrangement. And
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: when she's been asked about it in the past, the
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: best friend, she's kind of been lightly treading about it.
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: She probably signed an NDA.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure. Everything. And I'm sure there's financial something.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: How could you not? But I do appreciate that she
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: got addicted to vaping, obviously. Yeah. Is addressing it and
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: warning people.
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: And she's one of the most followed human beings on
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: the planet.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: I know. I saw the people trying.
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: They were coming for you. But, no, she really has
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: a huge fan base. So her saying that is a
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: good thing.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: Like if she could even influence anyone from putting down
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: that vape and going, I don't want to sound like
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: the old commercials with the, I am talking to you. No.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: You know, like with a little cigarette through the lady's throat.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: That's what we saw growing up and that kept us
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: from smoking. And then I think vaping came and everyone
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: was saying, oh, it's better than smoking. And no, it's not.
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: No. I mean, we've heard that for many, many years now,
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: but people are still vaping.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Okay. Victoria's Secret Fashion Show came back.
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: I don't really understand. So it went away. It stopped
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: for a while during 2020 because people were like, everybody,
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: every different body should be on there. Every ethnicity, which
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: I agree with every ethnicity. I agree with different bodies
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: and different styles. You're selling lingerie. So why shouldn't it be?
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: It seemed like it went away. Wasn't there also like
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: Epstein's friend who was involved in Victoria's Secret? I don't know.
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: I feel like Epstein was involved in a lot of
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: people's businesses on some shape or form.
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: Anyway, so they decided to bring it back. Yeah. And
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: all these people, including Nicole Kidman, were like in the audience.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: And Megan Thee Stallion performed. And everyone's basically just wearing
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: like a G-string. Yeah.
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: Megan Thee Stallion looked– I'm gay.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: Gay.
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: Megan Thee Stallion, though. Looked amazing.
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: She's gorgeous.
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: Oh my God.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: And she was killing it. And so I'm like, I
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: love it. You know, also in light of like this,
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: the Shane Gillis controversy about wearing booty shorts. It's like,
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: take that Shane Gillis. Everybody was fucking naked on this
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: one runway and looking amazing. And so Kylie Jenner wore
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: the fantasy bra. And it's always like, who's going to
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: wear in the past? It was a hundred million dollars.
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: I don't know. It's 50. It was a $ 50 million
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: fantasy bra. So it's all real diamonds. I don't know
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: why they couldn't go lab, but whatever. Supposedly, how would
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: we know?
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: We wouldn't know.
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: How would we know if it was lab or fake
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: or cubic zirconia? It's still going to be just as
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: sparkly on her tits.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: She comes out. Timothy is smiling with Chris Jenner. Are
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: they still together? Yes. Chris Jenner was there. You look amazing, sweetie.
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: And she just is a happy, glowing person. And she
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: came out. This little weird skirt was weird.
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: Why Kylie? Why not Kendall? She's the model.
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: I think Kendall's already done it.
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: Okay, yes.
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: And when Kendall was a little girl, her dream was
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: to be a Victoria's Secret model. She said, like, that's
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: my goal. She got it. I don't know. I mean,
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: all these things. How do we bring eyes on this brand? Kardashians.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: That's not the fanciest brand. It's in the mall. It's whatever.
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: And your computer. with Skims, you know, like, so I
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: don't know. I think they just were like, how do
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: we bring the most eyes and bring this runway back
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: where we're celebrating?
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: That's interesting. They're competing with Skims and they got someone
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: from the family to be involved.
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: You know, they all have like skin care. They all
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: have clothing lines. But then they also do brand partnerships
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: with Aloe and with other things that would compete with Skims.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: And they just don't– that's why I'm kind of like, well,
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: I guess the true thing that you should take from
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: it is like there's enough from everybody and we're not
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: competing with each other. And you can buy these.
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: Did you see the big– we didn't have this to discuss,
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: but did you see the good American controversy on TikToks?
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: Yes. So let me just explain. So I'm seeing all
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: these influencers going, I was so excited I got invited
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: to a good American pop-up. Come for treats and giveaways
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: and walk away with stuff. So when you get invited
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: to things like this, most likely you're going to walk
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: away with a big fucking bag of goods. Hopefully at
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: least one pair of jeans and maybe like some T-shirts,
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: a water bottle, and you're taking photos and whatever. Well,
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: they– from what my understanding is, is they– invite they
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: must have had some big team they invited so many
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: influencers people flew in from it yeah and some of
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: them are doing videos and they're like look I only
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: have 4,000 followers yeah I shouldn't have been invited but
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: I was so if I was invited who else was
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: invited we all came and then what they.
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: Some of them didn't even make it inside They could
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: never get inside.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: And it was raining. So people were waiting out, dressed up,
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: waiting to get in.
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: Has Khloe spoken and said, I'm sorry? No.
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: I haven't seen anything.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: I think the new thing is don't address it. Be quiet.
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: There'll be a new story tomorrow. It's about my sister
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: today wearing a $ 50 million bra. I didn't invite all
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: these influencers. My team did. I'm not going to apologize
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: for my team. And now everybody that wasn't aware of
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: Good American, because like I see Good American all over TikTok.
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: You don't have to go to the mall to buy it.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: It's not cheap, but people swear by the jeans, say
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: they stretch and all that stuff.
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: So... Some people think that that was also the plan.
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: Like a way of going viral.
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: To have it be like a rat fuck. Yeah. Just
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: to get everybody then telling– I got– because if these
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: people don't have a lot of followers, they're going to
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: tell their followers, guess what, guys? I made it. I
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: got invited to a Kardashian pop-up and it was a disaster.
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: So now we get another– the whole point of inviting
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: them is to– Do the promotion for us. That's what
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: influencing is.
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: And now they're doing it anyway but not in a
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: good way.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: So I guess what? All press is good press?
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: I think so. I mean it's not going to make
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: someone not buy the jeans because some influencer that didn't
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: deserve to be there anyway didn't get a free pair
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: of jeans. Like now you're like, okay, well, let me
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: see what's so great about these. Oh, actually that girl–
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: Looks pretty good on them. All right, I'll buy a pair.
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: I think it's a good lesson for influencers and content
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: creators because I'm sure you get tons of emails and
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: invitations to go to different things. You have to really
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: start looking through those things, asking questions in regards to it.
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: Why am I invited? Is there a budget? Are you
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: going to pay for me? Are you going to cover
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: any of these expenses? And that should be your answer. Yes,
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: there's certain things that you should make an effort and
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: go to because maybe it will put you in front
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: of faces that you would never be in front of.
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: But then you have a life lesson like this because
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: there are people that were invited that had millions of
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: followers that were waiting online in the rain and that
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: did not make it in.
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: Right. If you get an email with a great investment
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: opportunity for Theranos Laser 2 to help– Test blood disease.
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: I'm going.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: Maybe don't invest in that. No, but there is something
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: that's been going around for a few years.
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: That's a perfect example of millionaires and billionaires that were
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: scammed by Elizabeth Holmes.
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: So you shouldn't feel bad, any of you influencers.
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: You shouldn't. You shouldn't feel bad, but you should. A
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: couple of people got on planes. You should invest if
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: you're putting any money forth. Now, if you live down
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: the street in New York and you walked over and
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: you're like, oh, fuck this line.
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: Did I get invited? I need to look.
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: You probably did.
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: I get tons of emails.
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: But then sometimes you're like, why didn't I get invited? Like,
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: what the hell? When you see some of the people
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: at like a Bravo event, I'm like, God, geez.
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: That happens all the time.
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: But it is just some, who's ever in charge of that?
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: It's just, they're trying to do their job as quickly
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: as possible. And if you're not at the top of
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: their mind or whatever, but there is a scam that's
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: been going on in the podcast world for a few
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: years now, which is you'll get an email. Like I've
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: gotten so many emails. We'd like to– first it started
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: out as $ 3, 000. Now it's $ 4, 000 to be a guest
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: on a podcast that's– most of them are not similar
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: to me but some have been. It's a total scam.
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: They have an email that looks real. They have it
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: like producer for this podcast. And then they go, it's
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: a $ 4, 000 appearance fee if you'll be on this show.
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: And then you look up the show and it's like
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: some guy who's like a wellness inspirational guy. And your
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: first thought is like, well, wow, that could be like
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: a whole new audience and shit. I want $ 4, 000. But
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: we know it's a scam and they've done it. People
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: have gotten it from me. And so really what the
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: final thing is, is if you go the distance with it,
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: they say, well, it's going to be a Facebook live event.
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: And then Before they do it, before you do the
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: fake interview, somehow you have to give them access to
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: your Facebook.
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: Oh, I did hear this.
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: And then they fuck you that way. I don't know how.
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: Why would you ever do that?
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: Well, I know a comedian that did get caught and
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: he talked about it. And it just screwed up that.
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: Section of his social media and that– then they have
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: access to those people. They could pose as him. I
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: don't know what because I don't know if it really
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: results in dollars or what. But they hijack your thing.
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: And so beware.
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: It's not real.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: But also it's true. Before you spend any time being
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: excited about an email, investigate a little bit. But this
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: was a legit thing. Yeah, it was. They just didn't–
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: Just know that you're not– there's– I mean I guess
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: the question to be asked would be like, Well, how
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: many influencers were invited?
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: It seemed like hundreds. It's a long line.
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: Or a thousand. I mean, like maybe that would be
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: the question to ask. How exclusive an event is this?
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: Don't assume.
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: Ask more questions.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: Or say, like, will I be on a list? Do
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: I have to wait in line, you know?
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: At my big age, I'm not waiting on lines anymore.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: No, of course not.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: Like, never.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: I'm not waiting on lines. Miley got some heat. She
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: was at Hollywood Bowl. Yes. Sold out shows. Yes. And
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: after her Friday show, people got on the TikTok and
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: started to share that, you know, a lot– her fans
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: are people that like, oh, my God, they love her
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: from Hannah Montana. But they also are like, she's such
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: an inspiring– you know, she's quite poetic and stuff. And
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: she got me through a breakup and this, that. Well,
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: she is tired of singing her old songs. She didn't
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: want to sing them. And she also was like, hey,
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: I don't even know if I want to perform anymore.
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: So I agreed to taking these two dates or three dates.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: And like, we'll see if I'm still feeling it after
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: is basically what she has said in interviews. And then
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: on stage Friday, got a lot of criticism for not
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: singing all the words, doing the mic. Now you sing it.
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: Party in the USA. Okay. okay, party in the U.S.?
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: So everyone had to sing it. And so now everyone's
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: singing it around you, which sometimes is really annoying.
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: Especially if you're going there to hear.
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't want to sing it, and I don't
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: want this loser that I've never met next to me
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: at the Hollywood Bowl singing it. Yeah, and I don't
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: want that. So then anyway, she addressed the criticism last night. Yes. And,
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: you know, did one of her things like, I don't know,
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: I'm present with you today. I'm present with you tonight.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: And the Sunday Hollywood Bowl people, we're going to show
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: the Friday people like they're losers. I don't know. But
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: I don't think as a performer you should ever reveal that,
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: that you're like in a place where you're like, I
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: don't know if I want to do this anymore. This
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: is a test run. I'm sick of singing these old
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: corny songs. Like if they're on your playlist and you're
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: going to do them, People spent thousands of dollars. They
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: got a sitter. They got dog sitter. They like, you know.
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: People flew in.
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Just you need to get yourself together, do a
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: great fucking show and then retire.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: Because she doesn't need the money.
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: Don't reveal that you just aren't feeling it.
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: And you have a right not to feel it because,
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: you know, Dolly Parton passed away a month ago. Like
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: that's not enough of a reason. Sorry.
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: It sounds greedy because it sounds as if she's getting
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: a big bag for these shows and she's like, I
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: really don't want to do this, but. She's not giving
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: the full picture of why she decided to do it.
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: And clearly she's getting paid a lot to do it,
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: but she doesn't want to do it.
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: Right. Exactly. And that's what it felt like.
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: And that's not good for your fans. But I think
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: hopefully the.
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: People that went Sunday got a few more lyrics from her.
• 38:34
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  Speaker 4: You have a song?
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  Speaker 3: I have a new song dropping this Thursday. There's pre-links.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, let me just see if I can sing. Grab
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  Speaker 4: It's on tune, too. This is coming from a professional singer.
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  Speaker 3: Yes. So I had– we got it all together.
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• 43:11
  Speaker 3: So you can listen– you can download it for free
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  Speaker 3: theme song after 11 years. Okay. Because I had your
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• 43:28
  Speaker 4: Well, congratulations on that. Thank you. That's not an easy
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: thing to do. Have you mentioned to the world before
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: that you sing?
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: I've done little singing on the show and stuff like that. Yeah.
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: But jokingly?
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, jokingly. But like I was like a theater kid
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: and stuff. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: That's amazing.
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: So we'll see. What's the name of the song? I'm
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: telling you, it's a really hip song. I did it
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• 43:53
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• 43:57
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• 43:59
  Speaker 4: Do you get pissed off, though, when you see housewives
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: that really have no theater background, can't sing, then they
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: have huge success, like hypocrisy and bullshit?
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: Hypocrisy and bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. No, absolutely not. Because, listen,
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• 44:20
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• 44:24
  Speaker 3: You could tell that she kind of had love for
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: her in the movie. Because she played her and it
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: was her best acting moment. So for me, I will
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: never have anything but love for all the housewives, even
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: if they don't like me.
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: Who doesn't like you?
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: I don't know, but I've done it a lot. Mostly
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: they like me because I do, I never say someone
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: should get fired. I sometimes say, oh, this person's annoying
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  Speaker 3: or I imitate them or whatever. But I also think
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: they've given me so much fun to do impersonations and
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  Speaker 3: all that stuff And I say, be a DJ. Sell
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  Speaker 3: your caviar. Do whatever. These side gigs. Because you're not
• 45:05
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• 45:08
  Speaker 3: enjoy you for eternity. Your kid may hate you for
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: the rest of your life for doing it. So fuck yeah.
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: Put on your bad hair extensions and make some coin.
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: Well, shout out to the- No problem. To the, what
• 45:19
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• 45:21
  Speaker 4: producers of their show. That was very smart. That's amazing.
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: That was very smart. And they came together. I mean,
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: those girls are quitting and firing every day. But- It
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: was a smart thing because it wasn't Bravo, because it
• 45:31
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• 45:35
  Speaker 3: don't know who was the ringleader of that.
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: But it was smart.
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: But it was very, very smart. But with these girls,
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: it is a very entertaining show with all of them.
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: And amazing editing. They're doing a great job. And now
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: the showrunner that's in Salt Lake is over in New York.
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: And you can tell just based off the editing. It's
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: so good. done so well.
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: Well editing you know in regular film if you get
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: a great comedic editor it's they have a comedic eye
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: yeah so you get and there is a lot of
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: comedy in housewives yeah and i appreciate the comedy sometimes
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: some people it's not that funny i like to lean
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: into the funny the drama is good too but you
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: if the women are funny and big personalities we don't
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: need to you don't need to destroy their business you
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: don't need to expose that their husband's gay If you're
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: funny enough, you don't have to go, I'm turning it
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: up a little bit.
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: And then it's just funny. If you have a good–
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: and this is what I say all the time about Housewives.
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: You don't need a storyline if you have a good personality.
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: You don't need a storyline. I don't care anything about–
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: I could care less about what could be going on
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: in your personal life. If you show up for work
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: and you're funny, you're interesting, you're engaging, you're shady, you
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: don't need a storyline. I could care less.
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah. In this, they're in San Francisco. Oh, Lord. So
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: just to catch people, they go on a group trip.
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: And now we know Lisa Barlow came up with the song,
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: Baby Gorgeous. You're just baby gorgeous. And people realized they
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: kind of liked her voice when they had like a
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: talent competition. And she did, away in a manger, no
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: crib for his head. And people are like, wow, that
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: sounds kind of good. So she did a song and
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: then she– now she and Meredith have joined forces. Who's
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: now a DJ. And I think it's smart that they did,
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: even though at one time the greatest hot mic moment
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: was Lisa Barlow with a mic on saying, I fucking
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: hate her, her fake fucking family, renting houses, sleeping with
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: half a New York. She's a fucking bitch. I don't care.
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: And she had to apologize for that for three years. Well,
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: now Meredith is like, who cares? And Meredith and her
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: new face and they join. And I think they should
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: join because. Yeah. They, I believe, are what gay guys
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: would go, mother. Like, they are mother. They're gorgeous. They
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: really are moms. They're good moms. They're dedicated moms. And
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: they are like above, I believe, something about them is above.
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: They're more iconic in the world of Housewives than the
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: other cast members.
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think that's why you see the cast
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: members so focused on them and saying like, oh, you're
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: not great. You're doing this. You're doing that. And I
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: feel like the other cast have made them even more
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: iconic than they probably normally would have been.
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: And I think they realize like we're the two brunette beauties.
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: We are iconic. We are funny. We don't give a shit.
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: We really don't like these people. Let's join forces.
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: And they saved this week's episode.
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: And they go and they practice their song while they're
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: in the glam. We see that. And it really doesn't
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: have any other lines, I don't think, than hypocrisy. It does.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: It does.
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: Hypocrisy and bullshit. I'm bored.
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: And, of course, manipulations.
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Okay. Well, I just want to say my song
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: has full-on refrains, different choruses, different moments, different paragraphs of
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: very clever stuff that's iconic to me and my show.
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: But anyway, I love it. Like I said, it's funny
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: and it is catchy.
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: It's safe.
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: Lisa Barlow, again, out of all the housewives I've met,
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: most everybody is very nice. Why wouldn't they be nice
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: to me, you know, based on what I do and
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: stuff is fine. But I do like her a lot.
• 49:33
  Speaker 4: Is she your favorite of the cast?
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, she's the most fun to impersonate, too. Yes. And
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: I just kind of relate to her like with her
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: two sons and being a mom and doing her thing.
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: And I don't know. And I'm like– and the fact
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: that her biggest crime could be that she leaked something
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: to a blogger or to a podcaster. They all do that.
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: They all do that.
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: They all do that. So I don't think that's a crime.
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: You know? I mean– so in it– Let me see
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: what else I was going to say. So right now
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: you sent me this. This was the video from the
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: drag brunch where Whitney got very drunk. She has not
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: drank since.
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: Allegedly.
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: She got– oh, okay. Well, who cares? Well– A lot
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: of these women– listen, I was the first to kind
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: of have like housewives do a live show with me.
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: And they were not comfortable doing live stuff. So when
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: people do that, they get very nervous and they do drink. Mm-hmm.
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: Which can lead to sloppy shit. Yeah. And so she
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: gets up there and she brings up this thing that
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: happened on the plane where Meredith was very mad at
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: Brittany because Brittany brought up that– Seth was cheating. Seth,
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: who's her husband, who– She said, hey, we filed and
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: then we made sweet love in a bathtub. And now
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: we're back together selling caviar while I do DJing and
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: we are fine. So but she got pissed on the
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: flight back and I guess was like jerking Britney's.
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: She was I believe whatever they said happened on that
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: flight in regards to Meredith. Freaking out. Making comments and
• 51:11
  Speaker 4: doing all the things. And you know if you're annoyed
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: with someone, you might, if you're going to the bathroom,
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: shake their seat on your way to the bathroom. I
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: believe that 100% happens.
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: But nobody has footage or audio or anything. But then
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: Whitney Rose goes, she totally assaulted Britney. There is proof.
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: There is receipts. But I can't share about it because
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: there's bigger people that are protecting them and there's lawsuits. Yeah.
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: What the fuck does that mean?
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: I think it basically means that the only reason why
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: that we haven't seen footage and we haven't– because I'm
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: sure someone has footage of that. I would not be shocked.
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: if Bravo is protecting Meredith, just because it's a federal
• 51:54
  Speaker 4: crime what they're accusing her of.
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: Because they're in the air?
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they're in the air.
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: So I always knew that it was touchy and why
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: Meredith was just like, why they're both saying, Lisa's saying
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: it's slander, this is slander. Because they know it's never
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: going to come out because Bravo's trying to protect themselves
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: as well. That's a huge liability for Bravo, NBCUniversal. For
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: something like that to happen in the air, someone... may
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: have been bullied and harassed and maybe.
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, Meredith even said it. She was like,
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: it's not true. If it was true, I would have
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: been arrested. Yeah. This is what I think. I think
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: it was pretty outrageous. She probably was buzzed and she
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: probably was very angry. And she probably was like, what's
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: this stupid little twat who's still a friend of talking?
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: Why would she bring this up? She was either told
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: to bring it up or she wanted to bring it
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: up to have the camera on her. Yeah. It would
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: bother me a lot because in the end, that whole
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: thing that it was about, it was a TikTok her
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: telling a story in which she had no proof of it.
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: The real story was because that girl finally came forward
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: and she goes, it was like a secondhand story. It
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: wasn't someone who said, I was driving the Uber.
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: And I saw it myself.
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: What?
• 53:09
  Speaker 4: Or that she saw it herself.
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: Right. It was like, You know what it was? Oh,
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: my God. It was that she read a Reddit, which
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: is no anonymous Reddit that said I was an Uber
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: driver and Seth had a girlfriend in the backseat in Ohio.
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: No proof to it. No nothing. And for all we know.
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: could be a producer on the show. I believe that
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: Real Housewives producers are Reddit. The amount of storylines and
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: fights among cast members that have come from them reading
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: Reddit shit, from someone screen grabbing a Reddit thing and
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: DMing them on Instagram and making them read it and
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: get infuriated. Because when you read something in writing, whether
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: it's Reddit or anything, and it's not true, it can
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: I think that's the biggest thing that screws up people
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: where they go, I had to give up social media.
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: If they were like at least a little bit of
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: a public figure. Yeah. You go down that thing of
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: lies being told about you and it is painful.
• 54:07
  Speaker 4: And people believe it.
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: And you don't know. It could be your sister writing that.
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: It could be your best friend. It could be your ex-employee.
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: It could be your producer. It could be someone wanting
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: to stir something up on this show. We have no idea.
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: It's anonymous. Yeah. Yeah.
• 54:20
  Speaker 4: And people believe it. And all you have to do
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: is put it out there and people believe it.
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: There's no proof to it. So- In the end, it
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: was a girl on Reddit– I mean a girl on
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: TikTok talking about a Reddit that she read. And that
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: is what Britney brought up. So it's not true. It's secondhand.
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: Secondhand reading.
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: I mean there's so much about Seth that we see
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: on camera.
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: That we can run with. They were honest that they
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: separated and like dated other people. So it was like
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: if at this point she is solid with her marriage
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: and then this happens on the show again, who knows?
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: But if that is or if that's the image that
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: we have our thing going on and– it's not true
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: or it is true or I don't know, but I
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: could see why that, but even what was being presented
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: was not true. So I could see why she got
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: really pissed. But in doing this, I can also see
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: why producers and Bravo people are like, Meredith is a
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: huge part of the show. Just like Lisa Barlow. They
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: are at the top. They are at the top. They're
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: the more iconic ones. And then we've got the little
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: Brooks on Gen Z or whatever, next gen. And then,
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: you know, we're not, We're not– and if it was
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: a producer that told Britney to bring this up, then
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: we really– Liability. Then we're really just– we're not going
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: to address it. So Whitney probably got word of it.
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: Whitney's mad at– I still don't know why Whitney is
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: mad at Lisa Barlow. Because when I was at that
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: Kyle White party, like they came up to me and
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: they were– no, they came up to– they were talking
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: to Giselle. And Whitney and Braun went and they were saying,
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: beware of Lisa Barlow. She'll use things against you and
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: all this other stuff. And I still was like, okay,
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: I still don't know what she did to you because
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: I've watched the show. And then Bronwyn, that's when Bronwyn
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: told me, oh, I'm like, how are you doing? You know,
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: this is when we knew they were separated. She's like, oh, great.
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: I've got a 32-year-old boyfriend keeping my bed warm in Montana.
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: I'm like, what? And I'm just imagining a guy like
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: literally under the covers like waiting. She's like, I'm like, oh.
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: And she's like, he's a model. I met him during, yeah,
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: I met him during Fashion Week in Paris. And we
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: just really hit it off and And I'm like, does
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: Todd know? And she's like, no, not right now. And
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: he's being really nice to me and I would like
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: that to change. And so I'm like, hey, your secret's
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: safe with me.
• 56:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: I like Juicy Scoop, but I'm a girl's girl who's,
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: I'm going to side with the woman who's married to
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: the fucking grump from the cartoon Up.
• 56:43
  Speaker 4: Kissing and farting.
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: Any day over anybody. Like, I don't need to, I
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: don't break stories. I don't need, I'm not doing whatever. So,
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: but I'm like, You're telling me I think you wanted
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: to get it out.
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 56:54
  Speaker 4: And that happens all the time with housewives. They are
• 56:57
  Speaker 4: in your DMs or they will send someone else to
• 56:59
  Speaker 4: go in your DMs to spill a story. I'm not
• 57:02
  Speaker 4: like that either.
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: I'm not spilling unless I've done some due diligence on
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: the story. But I'm not surprised you went to hoping
• 57:10
  Speaker 4: that you would probably break this.
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: I was just like, good for you. I'm like, I'm
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: not going to fuck up your money. Like, let Todd
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: think you're getting back together and go back to Montana
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: and enjoy this dude. Maybe you will get back together. Wait,
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: whatever works for you. Listen, every marriage is fucking weird.
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: Everyone has a different agreement, whatever that is. There's women
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: that have the greatest degree, you know, seem to have
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: the greatest marriage ever, but they have to get on
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: their knees every night and whatever. And they're like, but
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: like what I got for it. Hey, whatever works for you, whatever. Like,
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: I don't care. It's interesting but that's why these shows
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: work and why women aren't treated by them because we
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: do like seeing if someone's marriage is worse than ours.
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: So we're like, I like that. I love it. I
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: don't know.
• 57:53
  Speaker 4: So– But is the relationship real? That's the tea.
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: OK. I think– You mean do you even think they
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: ever boned?
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: You're saying– Bronwyn and Brandon Goode.
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: Because the cast member starts talking on the episode that
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: she jokingly said– Bronwyn goes, well, every time I do something,
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: I buy something for myself. When I went to the Emmys,
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: I got a necklace. When I went to this, I
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: brought myself earrings. And then she's like– and then I–
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: what did she say? When she goes, and I got
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: with Brandon, I treated myself to that. And they're like,
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: what did you buy? She's like, Brandon. Brandon. And so
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: they thought, does this mean that you're really paying him?
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: And now there's a rumor, the rumors about the husbands,
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: that there's a rumor that she paid him $ 15, 000 to
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: fly to San Francisco and hang out with her and
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: be on the show, which you wouldn't have to do
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: if it was your real boyfriend. Now, if you were
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: screwing a guy and he's like, hey, Bronwyn, I'm down
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: to bone you and stuff, but I'm going to miss
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: a job. I'm not paying to fly out there myself.
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: And she was just like, why don't I just give
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: you 15K to make it worth your while and we'll
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: have fun and you get to be on camera. And
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: he's like, cool. Maybe that was it. But still, that
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: is an exchange.
• 59:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that is an exchange.
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: That is not a real boyfriend.
• 59:14
  Speaker 4: No, you're not paying your boyfriend.
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: $ 15, 000. I cannot wait three more days to be without you.
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: So I'm going to get on a plane and meet
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: you in San Francisco. That's different than thanks for the $ 15, 000 Zelle.
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: I'll be at the hotel.
• 59:27
  Speaker 4: It's so interesting. I'm so glad you told the story
• 59:29
  Speaker 4: about how she came up to you with information because
• 59:32
  Speaker 4: she's speaking to a lot of people. And from what
• 59:35
  Speaker 4: I've heard from some sources that she also revealed to
• 59:39
  Speaker 4: some people that he was upset during filming, that he
• 59:42
  Speaker 4: wasn't getting enough camera time.
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: Brandon.
• 59:44
  Speaker 4: Yes, Brandon. So I wasn't surprised that she brought him
• 59:47
  Speaker 4: to Mary's son's funeral, which I thought was odd. Like,
• 59:50
  Speaker 4: why are you bringing this new relationship to such a
• 59:53
  Speaker 4: serious thing? And in my speculation, I think you brought
• 59:55
  Speaker 4: it because you thought maybe cameras would be there to film.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: And also carrying the storyline that this is a bigger deal.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: Because not only is she leaving the 67-year-old grump that
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: ate her cherry, he was a perpetual cheater on her.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: So when you are a young thing and you marry
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: a guy 27 years older than you with an awful
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: body and an awful personality– I'm.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 4: Not going to let you do that to the Todd father.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: And he still chooses to cheat on you. It is
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: pretty humiliating. So I think it's good that you got
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: rid of him, but you also want to one-up it
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: to the world.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 4: Bronwyn is very calculated. I've been saying this since her
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 4: first time on the show, her first season. She came
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 4: on the show to get her divorce.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, for sure.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 4: And she's just proven that to me episode after episode
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 4: after episode. And it's very interesting to me that she's
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 4: not concerned with Todd taking care of her. She's still
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 4: living her very lavish lifestyle. And I have my speculations
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 4: on why. I think she has more information on Todd
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 4: and his cheating, philandering ways that might be very damning
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 4: and damaging to him, allegedly. So I think that's why
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 4: she's not worried about finances or them having any sort
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 4: of issue. I think she's playing that up for people
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 4: to feel sorry for her.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 4: But the Brandon of it all was very interesting because
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 4: it's very clear. I didn't expect when I saw Brandon
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 4: on the show that I would have other thoughts. I
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 4: was like, oh, he's not interested in her at all.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 4: I didn't get– I did not.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: Get– You didn't see the bad chemistry between the two
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: of them.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 4: I did not see any chemistry between them at all.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 4: I already knew it wasn't a real relationship, but I
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 4: didn't expect– he seemed to be more interested in hanging
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 4: out with the girls as opposed– and being on camera
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 4: than being her man or interested in her.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: So then when she was on Watch What Happens Live,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: Annie brought it up and she goes, oh, please, that
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: was six boyfriends ago. And he is the poster boy
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: in the new ad called Blue, which is Khloe Kardashian's scent.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: And he's in the episode because she's like, oh, my God,
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: this is the first guy that's like touched me in
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: four years. And by the way, this looks exactly like that.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: Those other ads. Yeah.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 4: There's nothing special about it.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: What's that other perfume that they're always like in white
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: and like blue waters and like grease and it's.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 4: Always like– I know what you're talking about. I can't
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 4: think of the name but it's nothing original about this
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 4: at all.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 4: And this is like his second job, you know.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And– Good for him. Like good for him, whatever.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: But they may have like boned or whatever and had
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: an agreement. You think he's gay or– Oh, no.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 4: And I don't want to speculate on that.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: I don't either.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 4: I didn't expect what I saw on the show. I
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 4: was just like, oh.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: I think that's always the go-to if you're a model.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: And there's no proof to it or anything. No, no.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 4: But what I definitely don't believe is this was a
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 4: real relationship. It was very– I think it was very–
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 4: and people have done it all the time. The Kardashians
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 4: have done it all the time. I definitely believe it
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 4: was something to heighten his career.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: But also couldn't a booty call No Strings Attached? That's
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: someone would say that's not a real relationship. So like
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: it could be that they're not declaring their love for
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: each other and they're not talking on the.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 4: Phone for four hours. Very similar to her coming up
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 4: to you trying to get this story out there. Sources
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 4: that came to me. It was very similar situation. So. Oh,
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 4: so this is coming from a very close source to
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 4: the situation that he wasn't happy and that this wasn't
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 4: a real relationship.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: OK.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 4: Allegedly.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: OK. Good scoop there. Thank you. Real House on Potomac
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: is popping.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 4: It's so good.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: Popping like the cherry blossoms that it is.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 4: It's so good this season.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: The first thing that's happening, well, let's just talk about
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: the thing I've covered most about this is the Wendy,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: Professor Wendy, who was like very annoying and obnoxious. She's
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: no longer a professor. She's no longer a professor. She's
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: the one who had this horrible thing happen where she
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: was robbed. Her house was robbed and then they realized
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: that some of the things that she put as things
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: that were stolen, she was wearing in photo shoots. And
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: then they looked into it deeper and FBI got involved,
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: I believe, federal. Isn't it a federal thing?
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 4: No.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: It's insurance fraud?
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: No?
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 4: I don't think it's federal. The FBI definitely wasn't involved.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 4: But the police were definitely involved.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: Okay, fill in what you know then because maybe I
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: don't want to say the wrong thing.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 4: The police ended up getting a search warrant. This was
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 4: the day that they were arrested. And apparently at least
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 4: 15 of the items that they claimed were stolen when
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 4: they were away in Jamaica with their family. And they
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 4: came back and they were running through the breezeway and
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 4: all that other stuff. Apparently 15 of those items– They said.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: People ran through the breezeway to get in?
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 4: It's a joke.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: Oh, okay.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 4: But she mentions the breezeway. She's talking about they went
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 4: up and– so she says– She claims that there were
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 4: these 15 items that were stolen. And apparently at least
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 4: 15 of those items were found when the police came
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 4: and did a search warrant of the home. So there
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 4: were at least 15 items. Some of these items they
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 4: claimed that were stolen. Apparently there were receipts in regards
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 4: to them being returned a few years ago. A picture
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 4: of her wedding ring was she was on the red
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 4: carpet and they were like this was after the alleged burglary.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 4: So from what I've heard during the season, you're seeing
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 4: it sort of play out right now where it seems
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 4: like she's trying to blame Eddie for it, why they
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 4: have separate legal teams.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: Eddie's her husband.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Eddie SFO. And it also appears now what you'll
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 4: probably see during the season is that they're going to
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 4: change that because during the actual legal case, they weren't
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 4: able to get a court date for Wendy early. So
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 4: now they're going to be tried together in January.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: But still with different legal teams.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 4: Different legal teams that are working together.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: Because there's emails from Eddie saying like, what, can you
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: put more items down?
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 4: Put more items down. We're trying to get it up
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 4: to like $ 420, 000. They never received the $ 420, 000 because the
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 4: alerts were set out there in regards to when they
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 4: first were making these claims through different insurance companies, not
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 4: revealing that they were making these claims to different insurance companies.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: Well, I wonder if... The fact that it's almost like
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: an attempted murder. Like you get less time for an
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: attempted murder than if you were successful. And so I
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: wonder if– because they never did receive the big payout,
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 3: if that will help their defense a lot in that.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 4: And they also don't have a history of criminality. They've
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 4: never been arrested before.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: Right. So if they were trying or thinking about it
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: and they have kids and they don't have a history, yeah,
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: and they're– But, I mean, the fact that she shows
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 3: up in the first episode with a brand new G-Wagon.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 4: And she calls it– Psalms 91.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: Yes, a religious– because I believe in God. I mean, listen,
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 3: she's– I remember they're Catholic. They're Nigerian Catholics. They had
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: the– I remember they had the kids have a first
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 3: Holy Communion. So it's just all about it. It's just
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: so disappointing because it was like highly educated. He's a lawyer. Yeah.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: A lawyer. And now he's going to be a realtor. Yeah.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: And so it was like how could he be a realtor? Well,
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: he hasn't been convicted of any felonies yet. But if
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 3: he was to be convicted of a felony, then he
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: wouldn't be able to practice real estate, at least in California.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 4: I don't know what it's like. And he wouldn't be
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 4: able to practice being an attorney either. And that's his
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 4: whole stick in regards to promoting his real estate. I
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 4: can also be your attorney.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 4: It's a very interesting move when you have months away.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: But, I mean, you imagine giving him your listing and
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: letting him free reign over your house for three hours
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: during an open house?
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 4: Well, here's the thing. I'm more concerned if I've given
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 4: you my listing and all of a sudden, oh, I
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 4: was convicted. I need to leave. You know what I mean? Like,
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 4: why would you get into real estate? I think it's
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 4: part of their storyline this season. But one of the
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 4: things that I've heard, allegedly, a lot of my tea
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 4: has been confirmed this season already. It's only episode two.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 4: Including Giselle in this week's episode calling– Wendy a scammer.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 4: What we're going to see during the season is them
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 4: not wanting to talk about this.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: Wendy and Eddie.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, not wanting to talk about their case, understandably.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: Right. I'm sure the lawyers are like, please shut up. Yeah.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 4: But they're doing a reality show and all the ladies
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 4: are like, you're pretending like everything is okay. What's going
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 4: on with this case? We have to talk about it.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 4: You're coming back to see what's going on with this.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 4: I heard allegedly that she went to production and the
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 4: network and saying that they cannot talk about my case
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 4: because you see at the top of the season, Giselle
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 4: is bringing this up and talking about this and, again,
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 4: called her a scammer, which we saw in the second episode.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 4: So after that, after she finds out about that, she's like,
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 4: we cannot talk about my case. I have children. And
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 4: so everyone this season is walking on eggshells about her case, understandably,
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 4: like I said.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: And what is the grand dame who did Significant Time?
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 4: Significant?
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: Hello.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: Was it? Nine months? I guess we're a half-life.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: I don't want to spend nine months in prison for
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: the DUI. So is she on Wendy's ass or is
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 3: she being sympathetic to Wendy, being that she also had crime?
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 4: She is... I think for the rest of the season,
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 4: you'll see her being a little more sympathetic. In this
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 4: week's episode, you're seeing her go up against Wendy in
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 4: regards to some of the things she said at the
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 4: reunion because Wendy doesn't see it for her because Wendy
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 4: claims that she was there for Karen during her legal case,
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 4: and she doesn't feel that Karen afforded her the same.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 4: She just told her to shut the F up at
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 4: the reunion, and Karen is spinning it as well. I
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 4: only told you that to prevent you from saying anything
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 4: that might hurt your case because of my experience. I
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 4: don't believe that, but fine.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 3: And then this other girl, Tia.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 4: Tia Glover.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: So is she in this photo? No, she's over there.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 3: So they meet her on the first episode. And Stacey,
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: who is now back with her ex-husband, they're forming their
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 3: family together. But she was accused of hiring a boyfriend
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: and paying a boyfriend. Yeah, TJ, who worked with her
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: at QVC. And that she needed a storyline and hired
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 3: a boyfriend. And she, like Elizabeth Holmes, was just like,
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: I don't know what you're talking about, Andy.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 4: That is a perfect example.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 3: This is not true. It's just not true. And she's like,
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: you know what? You lie long enough and people move along.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 4: That's true.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: They move along, you know?
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 4: And she's a fan fave now.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: And so she's like, well, and then she goes, well,
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to enjoy what I'm going to say
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 3: to you, Tia. But several of us have received the DMs.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: Of your husband being on heterosexual, because it would be juicier.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 4: We don't know that.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 3: We don't know that?
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 4: We don't know that. And that's one thing that I
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 4: said during my recap. I'm like, we don't know what website.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 4: Was it Grindr? I need to see the photos myself.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 4: It could be, though. I'm not alleging anything.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 3: So he uses his own name, his own face, to
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: meet women, and he claims to be single. And she
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 3: asks her all that, and she's like, yes, that's all it.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 3: So what do we know about– this is insane. So
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 3: you're on– this is second– this girl was on last season.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 3: So your wife is already– she's on a reality show.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And you're on a dating website.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 3: On Rhode Island, their infidelity thing was that the podiatrist
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 3: had this mistress all these years and then the girl
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 3: got on the reality show and is like, oh, fuck.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: But this one is like you're currently on a reality
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: show and he's like, Yeah, I'm just going to go
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 3: get on this dating site. Like this is insane.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 4: Not funny. But the interesting thing that we find out
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 4: in the second episode this week is the fact that
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 4: this wasn't the first time that she's caught him on
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 4: a dating website. So this is not the first time.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: So it is real. It's not someone posing.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 4: He admits in the episode that he definitely was on
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 4: a dating website.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: And then we just have to watch her be like,
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 3: these bitches trying to ruin my life storyline again.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 4: In these new interviews, she's blaming Stacey for bringing it
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 4: to camera. But we saw it was Ashley. Ashley went
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 4: down to the reality rundown event and was gleeful in
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 4: revealing this information.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah. She had her drag brunch moment.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 4: But Tia's insistent that Stacey wanted to bring this to camera.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 4: I'm sure she did. But your friends Giselle and Ashley
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 4: were also bringing it to camera. They brought it up
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 4: during the OG lunch with Karen. They're making faces about this.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 3: It's like, listen, if you have juice like that, that
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 3: is not just privy to you. It's one thing if
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 3: two people went off camera, went on a hike and
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 3: was really like no cameras around. It didn't come from
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 3: multiple Bravo content creators talking about it. And you really
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 3: did run to the producer or get on camera and reveal,
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 3: which some housewives have done that. And that really truly
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 3: is like a betrayal. But everything more than that is
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 3: fair game. You're on a reality show. It's out there anyway.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 3: You're doing your job.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 4: But how do you feel, especially as a married woman,
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 4: would you want a friend to come to you with
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 4: that information? Because, you know, sometimes it puts you in
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 4: a very precarious position. Like the friend might not believe
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 4: you and be mad at you and end the friendship.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 3: Wait. So do I want my.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 4: Friend– You had a friend that was in Giselle's position
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 4: that finds out this information.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 3: Giselle or Stacey? I thought it was, wait.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 4: Well, Giselle was the one who got the information too.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 4: Stacey and Giselle got the information. And Tia's mad at
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 4: Giselle because Giselle did not bring the information as her
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 4: friend to her.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think you've got to, if she's
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 3: really your friend. But they all hate each other on
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 3: these shows. And they all are tit for tat and
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 3: someone screwed her over. But no, I think something like that,
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 3: I would be like, I'd be like, this is what's
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 3: out there. Other girls know. It's probably going to be
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 3: brought on camera. So you can get ahead of it
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 3: or you can wait for the bomb to drop at
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 3: a dinner. That's what I would tell them.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 4: But apparently Tia is more upset at Stacey for, I
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 4: guess she, She says that more will come out during
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 4: the season in regards to Stacey's involvement. But I feel
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 4: like you're more mad at Stacey than you are at
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 4: your own husband. And this is the second time doing it.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: It's one thing to cheat, okay? It's like, you know,
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 3: there's couples that have like a don't ask, don't tell policy.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 3: Or as long as it's not in the house or
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 3: you're a professional football player, so as long as it's
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 3: on the road, fine. But you don't have babies with
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 3: anybody but me. Whatever people have. Whatever people have their agreement.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they have their things, their rules.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 3: People have their agreement. But to go on... Know it.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 3: Every person that gets matched with you is going to
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 3: see you. And there's a lot of women that watch
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 3: this show.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 4: But apparently he was on this dating website and he
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 4: never met anyone.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 3: I heard a great story that, okay, so from somebody
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 3: after the news came out about Dorit and PK breaking up.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 3: So this is a once removed story. Okay. Okay. A
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 3: friend of mine. went to New York to visit her friend.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 3: And when she got there, that girlfriend was talking to
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 3: PK before it was announced that they were broken up.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 3: And she, that friend, doesn't watch Housewives. Had no idea
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 3: who he was. And it is my friend's opinion that
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 3: he was hitting on her, pursuing her, asking her to
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 3: join them for dinner. Now, it could be, yeah, we
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 3: weren't in a great place. Maybe he's trying to get
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 3: her In this act, maybe he just wanted to talk
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 3: to a cute girl for the night. I don't know.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: Whatever.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 3: Some people are social and it doesn't lead to anything else.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 3: But there is a case where I think a lot
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 3: of these guys are so stupid that they don't realize
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 3: that they're pretty famous by association because their wife is
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 3: on the show. And women that watch the show are
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 3: dying– For those gotcha moments with like– I.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 4: Mean– Especially if they don't have anything going on. Giselle
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 4: has nothing going on.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like if he had like a secret girlfriend or
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 3: if he like picked up a chick in Vegas or
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 3: on a work trip or something. That's like one thing.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: But to actually put your face on the internet to
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 3: be chosen and matched up with. Yeah. Like, yeah. I
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 3: mean maybe she's like– Acting all mad, but she also
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 3: wants to divorce his ass.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 4: They don't have chemistry on camera. It's a weird relationship,
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 4: and clearly they've had their issues. My biggest question to
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 4: Tia would be, she revealed this last season, was the
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 4: fact that he's from Chicago. They've been together almost 30 years.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 4: She's never been to his hometown of Chicago.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 4: You don't find that weird? Especially because it's Chicago. It's
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 4: not bumble-nuck-nuck, you know, middle of America. It's Chicago. Good food,
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 4: good living. Like, you've never gone to visit any of
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 4: his family there?
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 3: So she never went to his hometown in Chicago?
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 4: Never.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 4: In 30 years.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 3: All right. I'll tell you what I think is super interesting. Okay?
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 3: We're going to go over to– I just want to
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 3: go over to Real Housewives of OC. When I interviewed
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 3: Emily a few years ago, probably like four or five
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 3: years ago, I– was like, so your husband's Mormon. And
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 3: I'm like, are the kids being raised Mormon? And she's like,
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 3: you know, we've never talked about that. And I was like, what?
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 3: And then like the next season, the storyline was Annabelle
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 3: wants to be Mormon. And then like she got baptized
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 3: or something, but they've never like brought it up since.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 3: And I was like, how do you not talk about
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 3: a religion and a religion that's like very specific and
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 3: has very specific rules. It's not just like, well, I
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 3: was raised Baptist and he was raised Lutheran or something
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 3: where it's like adjacent kind of like, it was just
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 3: kind of, I was like, what? Hmm. Very weird.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 4: Very weird.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 3: Oh, and speaking of that, what about, okay, the last
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 3: episode of Real Housewives of OC in Japan. Mm-hmm. She's like, oh,
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 3: my God, look how funny. Look what Annabelle just sent me.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 3: She's like, which thing is dad watching on YouTube? Because
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: it was like his YouTube history. And it was like
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 3: funny pranks or how to please a woman in bed.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 3: Did you see that? No. Yeah. And she's like, ha, ha, ha.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 3: And everyone's like, well, at least he's doing his homework.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, OK, you just said you guys sleep separately.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 3: That you're in the worst part of your marriage. But
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 3: three episodes back, you said you had sex twice in
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 3: one day. I don't think someone that's been married for
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 3: 17 years is suddenly going, you know what I'd like
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 3: to do? I'd like to know how to go down
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 3: on my wife better after I'm billed with resentment that
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 3: she's in Japan and I'm with these fucking kids. I'm
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 3: pissed off. I hate that she's thin and gorgeous and
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 3: having a blast. And I still am like a bitter
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 3: old thing. I'm like, is that not the biggest clue?
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 3: Like that maybe he's dating someone else? I thought that
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 3: was so crazy.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 4: So you think that he's cheating?
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 3: I don't.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's very possible.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying he is, but I don't think I
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 3: would immediately go, oh, my God, my husband is so wonderful. He,
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 3: after all these years, wants to learn new skills on YouTube?
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 4: I think because what triggered me in this instance was
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 4: that they're creating another storyline. It sounds like it's a
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 4: storyline because she obviously is like, He's not cheating on me.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 4: This is a storyline.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 3: She didn't say cheating. I don't know. I have to
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 3: watch it back. But I think she was like, isn't
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 3: that funny? And it was like, good for you, Shane.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 4: But if they had real marriage trouble, wouldn't that be
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 4: like your first instance? Like, why is he looking that up?
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 4: He's not even pleasing me.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 3: But they're acting like we have marriage trouble. So is
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 3: that nice that he's looking it up to please me?
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 4: It's not real.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 3: After 17 years?
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 4: It's not real. And this is why people can't stand Emily.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 4: This is exactly why people get– I like– I liked,
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 4: past tense, liked her on the show, especially her relationship
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 4: with Gina because I feel like it's real. But these
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 4: last couple of seasons, it's definitely giving– especially this season.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 4: People are not watching. People are very upset with this
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 4: new season of OC.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 3: It's so boring.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 4: This is my conspiracy theory. I think they didn't want
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 4: to shake things up for season 20 because they wanted
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 4: to celebrate the 20th anniversary of Housewives. So they didn't
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 4: want to shake things up.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 3: Do you think it's also a send-off goodbye? Yeah.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 4: Well, I don't think permanently. This is a moneymaker for them.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 4: This is a moneymaker for them. So I don't see
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 4: them getting.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 3: Rid of it. But they might do what they did
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 3: with New Jersey.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but it takes two years to do that. They're
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 4: not going to celebrate 20 years on year 22.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 3: No, I'm saying after this.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 3: Kind of have a real shakeup. Yeah. Like which three
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 3: can like be the anchors and then bring in like
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 3: a whole new crew. Yeah. That then can live their
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 3: lives and divorces and remarriages for the next 20 years.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 4: Exactly.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Like it's kind of like
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 3: a 20-year gig.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 3: Like you kind of want to get someone like 35 to,
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 3: you know, have them go.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 4: Which is what they're doing. They're trying to skew younger.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 3: And they're just– because when they all started, they were
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 3: all like 40. Yeah. So you get those like ripe
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 3: years of like where are we now? The kids are
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 3: a little older, you know, whatever. But going back to–
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 3: and then we finished New York, Real Housewives of New York,
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 3: had the moment where Psy, they start talking– Well, really,
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 3: Carol brings it up. Carol's like, oh, my God.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 4: Carol definitely brought it. She was itching to bring it up.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 4: She kept on giving little Easter eggs. She was trying
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 4: to cue everyone, like a producer, to talk about the
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 4: Epstein of it all. She's like, oh, everyone's, you know,
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 4: if you look at my Google, she kept on bringing
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 4: it up.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, I had her come on my show.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 3: Let me see. It would have been after 2020. I
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 3: think I'm going to share this episode of of the
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 3: Carol episode, maybe on Patreon or something, because it is
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 3: really interesting because I, the whole story came out on
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 3: Juicy Scoop about how she went to London. She didn't
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 3: want to be in New York for Christmas while, you know,
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 3: the first year after her husband passing, she went to
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 3: London by herself. A mutual friend of theirs got a
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 3: hold of, I call it Ghislaine. She calls her Jalene
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 3: or Jalane. I don't know how the fuck to still.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 4: Say this horrible word.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 3: I call her Ghislaine. Okay. That's her name. To me, Ghislaine.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 3: All predator. And Ghislaine's like, oh, hi. You know, like
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 3: Prince Andrew would love to like take you to dinner.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 3: And at the time he was single and they went
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 3: to dinner in like a ballet. Nothing romantic happened. And
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 3: she said then, maybe not in that interview, but later
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 3: on when we talked, she said, I know that maybe
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 3: right around when she was about to film this or
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 3: before she filmed it and it was all coming out
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 3: again that she was in the Epstein Files. We got
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 3: on the phone and she said, she would never be
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 3: interested in, in Carol DeBolco or whatever. And whatever her
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 3: last name is, I go, who's that? She goes, that's
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 3: my maiden name. And I go, oh, I didn't even
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 3: know that. And she goes, the point is she was
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 3: a social climber. And I knew that. I knew there
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 3: are people that in New York, especially that wanted to
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 3: get to know me or be my friend because of
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 3: the connections to the Kennedys and everything. And so then,
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 3: you know, and she is right. When you're a woman,
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 3: people are friends. You're in a friend group for a
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 3: few years and it kind of fades off. It's, Sometimes
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 3: it's through school, sometimes through friends, other society.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 4: This is something I talked about in my interview with
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 4: Crystal Kung Minkoff.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 3: Yes, okay.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 4: Where she was talking about her 14 friends, which we
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 4: find out it's not really 14 friends. And she recently
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 4: revealed that she ran into them. So I would love
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 4: to pick your brain on, especially because you're in these
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 4: circles here in L.A. when it comes to friend groups
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 4: and things like that. Because she basically said they tried
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 4: to ruin her because she got the gig on Real
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 4: Housewives of Beverly Hills.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 3: This is what I think happened. I think it can
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 3: be a very shallow thing. And there are groups of
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 3: women that go and they form the group and you
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 3: want to be part of the group and there's fancy
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 3: lunches and it's a birthday every month and all this
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 3: stuff and all these things. And I think she was
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 3: part of one of those things. And I think throughout
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 3: the years, several of them were probably reached out to
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 3: maybe be on Housewives. And this is my opinion. Yeah.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 3: I think she shit-talked housewives. I think she shit-talked housewives, said,
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 3: I would never do it. It's so tacky. My husband's
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 3: a major, my husband produced Lion King. Like, I know
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't do that. But then when they reached out
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 3: to her, she got wet. And she was like, yeah,
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 3: I want to fucking be a star. Like, why wouldn't
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 3: I want to be? Like, why the hell not? Sounds
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 3: fun to me. So then when she got it, they
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 3: were like, what a fucking hypocrite. And that's why I
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 3: think they were like, pissed and jealous, pissed and jealous.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 4: But does that justify them saying she said things about
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 4: other people in the group that may not have been true?
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 4: Because that's what she claims.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 3: I mean, we didn't read what those things were on
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 3: page six. So whatever it was, was within their insular
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 3: thing of non-famous people, but that are rich and probably
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 3: have been tapped over. You know, when you're in this,
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 3: I'm sure so many people have been Hey, are you interested?
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 3: Or maybe one interview and it doesn't go anywhere. Maybe
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 3: they do one interview and the husband is like, hell no.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 4: So I think– And that's where she says it begins.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 4: She says the one friend that really started all of this,
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 4: Bravo definitely were interested in her. However, her husband wouldn't
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 4: let her do it.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 3: So then she– that woman is jealous, totally jealous that
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 3: Crystal did it. Crystal had every right to say yes.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 3: And if Crystal changed her mind, fine. And if Crystal
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 3: shit-talked and made fun of some girl that was up
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 3: for it that didn't get it and then she got
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 3: it and looks hypocritical, they have a right to go,
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 3: you're hypocritical. But I can see also why walking to
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 3: a party and seeing all those women being embarrassed and
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 3: also during that time people were like, who loses 14 friends?
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 3: Maybe you are like an annoying loser.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 4: But she says it wasn't actually 14 friends. It was
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 4: like seven.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 3: You know, but you can also like change schools and
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 3: find other friends and And now, you know, she was
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 3: on the biggest show, Housewives. She still is able to
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 3: keep herself in the limelight. She's really nice. She had
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 3: a huge business that they wouldn't let her promote when
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 3: she started the show or even let us be aware of.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 3: So they painted her out the first year to be some, like,
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 3: geisha girl. We're like, what are you talking about? Like,
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 3: she met him as a college graduate. They've been married
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 3: 20 years. Yeah. So when she came on my show,
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 3: I liked revealing like, wow, that wasn't true. You're very
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 3: down to earth, very normal.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 4: She was a very easy interview. I'm sure you interviewed
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 4: a lot of people, but it's like some people are
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 4: like hard to interview, but she was very easy.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 3: I think she's like a completely nice, normal person. I
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 3: think what happened to her happens not to a lot
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 3: of people because there was the element of fame. Yeah.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 3: In normal group settings or whatever, people just kind of
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 3: like ghost people away. In real life with real women. Yeah.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 3: you know, maybe you don't get invited to one thing
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 3: or you can't go. And people are like, you know what?
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 3: Can we just keep it to the four of us?
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 3: That was actually more fun. She kind of dominates. And
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 3: then all of a sudden that person's off and then
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 3: you're like, I got kicked out of the party, like
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 3: the Hillary Duff situation or whatever. And it's like sometimes
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 3: it's not that huge. And sometimes you're the one that
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 3: wasn't organizing the shit and you're the one that wasn't
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 3: starting the group texts. And so now you're– It keeps
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 3: being more and more distancy and now you're not in
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 3: the group that you once were five years ago.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 4: I think it's a life lesson when it comes to
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 4: friendships and the depth of friendships. I'm a strong believer
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 4: you don't need that many friends. I don't need 14
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 4: close super friends or even seven. If you have one
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 4: good friend, that is enough. I think sometimes when you
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 4: have these large groups of friends, things like this happen,
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 4: especially when you add the element of fame.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 3: Right. And just to conclude, I thought Psy's attack on
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 3: Carol flopped.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 4: You think?
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 3: I do.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 4: I don't think so.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 3: I do because I feel like she kept coming at
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 3: her and she's like, really? You haven't been to the
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 3: Epstein Island? I'm like, what? First of all, women like Carol, okay,
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 3: were not invited to the Epstein Island, okay?
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 4: She's too old.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 3: She's too old. No. Okay. you know, could she invite
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 3: you to a dinner?
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 4: I think Cy did the job of what producers wanted
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 4: her to do.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 3: Oh, 100%.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 4: And what the audience wanted to hear.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 3: I wonder if that's why they even asked Carol back, though.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 3: I think Carol is great. I think Carol is smart
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 3: and witty and kind of helps keep it going along
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 3: and is a single woman.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 4: And she was upgraded. Remember, she was supposed to be
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 4: a friend.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think she's great, TV. And I think she's
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 3: down to be there again. And I think it was
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 3: good that she addressed it that way. And I don't
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 3: think there's anything– there isn't anything criminal about it.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 4: I originally didn't think anything of Carol and the Epstein
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 4: of it all. I knew there were a lot of
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 4: famous people's names that were being thrown out there.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 3: So I mean she met Ghislaine. They were friends. They
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 3: were in a social circle. They wrote some emails and
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 3: she– the one email that Ghislaine whatever wrote to her
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 3: was like, being cheeky about like, you're my favorite person,
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 3: but I might find a new favorite friend. Like, oh,
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 3: ha ha, whatever.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 4: What about the framed picture?
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 3: The framed picture is, she took a photo of, wait,
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 3: what do you mean framed?
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 4: There's a framed picture in one of the pictures in
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 4: the Epstein files of just Carol. And it's not even
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 4: the photo that she took for her book.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 3: Oh, it was in her room?
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 4: It was in one of the rooms over there.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 3: I mean, it could be that she was happy to
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 3: have a famous friend, but I mean, she did take
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 3: a photo of her. And then I think Carol just
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 3: was like, And they were like, we need an author photo.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 3: And then she was like, actually, I just really like
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 3: this one. Like, I don't want to do a whole
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 3: photo shoot and gave her photo credit. I really think
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 3: it was like.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 4: But I would say I didn't think anything of it
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 4: until I saw Carol explain it on Real Housewives of
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 4: New York. And I was like, you're really downplaying this friendship.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 4: And now I'm starting to look at you a little
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 4: suspiciously about how she downplayed the level of friendship. I'm
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 4: not saying they were super close or best friends, but
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 4: she really made it seem like she wasn't my friend.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 4: She was like a social climber. That was it. So
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 4: it kind of made me look at Carol a little
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 4: differently in regards to it all. At first, I didn't
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 4: think anything about it.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 3: And hopefully Carol can come back and just go. Someone
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 3: who's like.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 4: I'm sure she will. She's been in the comment section.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 3: Who's been on the phone with her for.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: And really.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 3: And I really asked all the questions because I know
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 3: a lot about the Epstein stuff. And I was. Fascinating.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 3: And I also remember the day that Chelsea came back
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 3: from New York, Chelsea Handler, and said, I went to
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 3: the weirdest fucking thing at Jeffrey Epstein's house and talked
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 3: about the dinner and that Katie Kirk invited her. And
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 3: I'm like, Epstein, like the guy that this is after
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 3: he did the time with the weekend prison. But he
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 3: was back living in New York having socialite events and
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 3: people were going. But no, she didn't hang out with
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 3: him again. No, she didn't go to the island. But
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 3: was she at that dinner? Yeah, and she's never lied
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 3: about it. So it's like I get that part too.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 4: Hence why I never really thought anything of it when
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 4: they said that Carol was in the Epstein Files because
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 4: there are a lot of people that are in Epstein
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 4: Files that did nothing. However, it was that scene and
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 4: them talking about it made me kind of like, okay,
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 4: so what? Why are you downplaying this so much? It
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 4: felt a little off to me and it kind of
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 4: made me go like, hmm, maybe.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, of course.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 4: But I'm not mad at Psy. Of course you've got
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 4: to think. Psy did the job of producers.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 3: You've got to think about it when it's out and
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 3: you're on a TV show. You've got to kind of think, okay.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 4: If anything, Carol should send Psy a gift basket because
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 4: she clearly wanted to bring it up. So Cy was
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 4: there to ask you all the questions that people have
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 4: been asking on social media. Yeah, you're right.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 3: You're right.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 4: And that preview that they give us in regards to
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 4: when she's on the street and they're like, Epstein files.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 4: I believe production added that in. No one in New
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 4: York is doing that. No one cares. No one even
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 4: probably even knew that was Carol.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 3: Totally agree. Thank you so much for coming. This was amazing.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 3: And I want you to tell everybody where they can
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 3: find you, follow you, subscribe.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 4: Yes, everything from TikTok to Twitch to Patreon, everything is
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  Speaker 4: The Kempire. And, of course, on YouTube, Kempire. I have
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  Speaker 4: a whole new web series that's coming out on Patreon,
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  Speaker 4: so people should follow me there as well. And I
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  Speaker 4: always have to say this. You were one of the
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  Speaker 4: very first to embrace me and support me. You have
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  Speaker 4: no idea how much I appreciate that, especially because there
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  Speaker 4: are not a lot of black faces that are in
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  Speaker 4: you always highlighting that. me anytime I'm here in New
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  Speaker 4: York or here in LA to come through and have
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  Speaker 4: these conversations. So I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I really appreciate you saying that. Thank you so much.
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  Speaker 3: I love having you. I think you do great work.
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  Speaker 3: I'm so excited for your future. And yes, of course,
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  Speaker 4: Exactly.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Christmas shopping has already started in our house. My daughter
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  Speaker 2: is so organised, already planning Christmas gifts from Macaulay. Hair
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  Speaker 2: care for her aunt and a fab fragrance for her bestie.
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  Speaker 2: But the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. I'm
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  Speaker 2: an early bird, buying one present a week from now
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  Speaker 2: till Christmas, which makes budgeting less stressful. I can buy
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  Speaker 2: in-store or online from Macaulay.ie for home delivery or free
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  Speaker 2: click and collect.
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  Speaker 3: So easy.
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  Speaker 2: Gifts they'll cherish at prices you'll love.