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Chuck in the Morning 7-30 Hour 1: Are the Seahawks being overlooked? Mariners Morning After and Camp Battles · Chuck in the Morning

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Speaker 1: Morning on your home for the Super Bowl champion twelve
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Speaker 2: You know what makes it special coverage?
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Speaker 3: That guy right there, It was just softy E and
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Speaker 3: I they if I can't stand the pressure.
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Speaker 2: They would not call it special. They're just our mech coverage. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: football's here, training camp coverage with the jackasses. But no,
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Speaker 2: not when Hugh Mellon's involved, it becomes special. Hey, great
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Speaker 2: morning to you all. We're out here at the Virginia
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Speaker 2: Mason Athletics Center for an other day of broadcasting here
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Speaker 2: on Sports Radio ninety three point three k JR FM.
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Speaker 2: A little nip in the morning here today, which I
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Speaker 2: find wonderful. My name is Chuck Powell. Our QB one
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Speaker 2: has been with us all week long. Hugh Millan to
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Speaker 2: break down the Seahawks for you. Here is we get
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Speaker 2: the football season underway. Travis Moger here today as well,
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Speaker 2: filling in for Ashley. She's got a couple of days off.
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Speaker 2: She can only take so much of Hugh and I together,
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Speaker 2: so she needed a break. No, she's had vacation plans
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Speaker 2: for a little while, so Ashley's out. Should be back
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Speaker 2: with us on Monday. But great to have you with
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Speaker 2: us here. And you've got getaway day today, so you
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Speaker 2: got your little boat ride in with your buddies. So
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Speaker 2: you're not gonna mail it in on me today, are you.
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Speaker 2: Oh I've already started to do that. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I can be good on that if you want.
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Speaker 3: But no, I had a good time with some someboddies
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Speaker 3: from college brothers as were inclined to call ourselves, tooled
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Speaker 3: around Lake Washington and eight on on Lake Union, and yeah,
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Speaker 3: I had had some great conversation.
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Speaker 2: All right, Well we solved most of the world's problems,
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Speaker 2: did you really? I would imagine the conversations get pretty
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Speaker 2: world solvy. Oh God, did they get deep? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah?
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Speaker 3: How about an hour? Is there a god? Did you
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Speaker 3: do that? We went the hour full of is there
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Speaker 3: a God?
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Speaker 2: Wow? Really lighthearted conversation, just you know, small talk. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: I just the weather, you know, Mariners, bro Bullpen and
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Speaker 2: and is there a God? Hey? Why you guys are
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Speaker 2: discussing Gabe Spire? Let me throw this into the conversation.
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Speaker 2: What do you think about this whole God existence thing?
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Speaker 2: Where do you guys stand on that? Right? It was?
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Speaker 2: It was fantastic. Hey, Yeah, great conversation. Really enjoyed it. Hey,
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Speaker 2: pass me a beer. Do you think Everson pitched us
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Speaker 2: the last game for the Mariners tonight? And oh, what's
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Speaker 2: the meaning of life? Look good? A good time with
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Speaker 2: the with the boys. That's uh, that sounds great. Well, Uh,
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Speaker 2: it's been a great week with you. And we've still
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Speaker 2: got a lot of conversations about the Seahawks to go
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Speaker 2: uh here today and we're gonna play spend the pin
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Speaker 2: again a little bit later on we got camp out.
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna squeeze it all in uh with Hugh in
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Speaker 2: our four hours set here together, Illinois.
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Speaker 3: Thing that pins become pins like an ink pin?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it is. I had to get corrected
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Speaker 2: on that when I was new in the business twenty
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Speaker 2: two years old. And just four seconds ago. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 2: but leave me. I got I get corrected. I've corrected it.
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Speaker 2: I will call it pen. But it doesn't sound good
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Speaker 2: if it's spinned the pen. It doesn't you know, spin
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Speaker 2: the pin does have a ring to it. Pretend that
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Speaker 2: it says, well, what's the pin? Yeah. I had a
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Speaker 2: producer of mine tell me one time. It's like, you're
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Speaker 2: a really talented kid. I was like twenty two years
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Speaker 2: old and he's like twenty five. Uh. And he goes, but, uh,
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Speaker 2: let me tell you something. You sound like a rube. Uh.
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Speaker 2: And so he started to refine my speech a little
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Speaker 2: bit from Southern Illinois. You know. I started keeping g's
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Speaker 2: on the end of words like nothing as opposed to nothing,
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Speaker 2: you know, like we say we get lazy in Southern
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Speaker 2: Illinois with stuff like that. And then yeah, he corrected
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Speaker 2: my pin pen, it's not a bullpen. It's a bullpen.
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Speaker 2: We're gonna spin the pin, yeah, but we're gonna spend
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Speaker 2: the penau is Well, I don't know what kind of
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Speaker 2: pin we're spinning. It's just we're Yeah. It could be
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Speaker 2: just like, uh, you know something, maybe I do needlework.
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Speaker 2: Maybe maybe I got into cross ditching. Maybe the audience
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Speaker 2: doesn't know that. Maybe that's the kind of pen understanding
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Speaker 2: mac macram Oh yeah, oh me and macromy I mean
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Speaker 2: we are we are lovers, all right. Well, uh, let's
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Speaker 2: talk about something that This has been a really interesting
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Speaker 2: conversation as camps get underway this entire offseason, and I
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Speaker 2: think for great reasons, the Rams have been a huge
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Speaker 2: topic football topic. I mean, you had the best defensive
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Speaker 2: player in the world arguably. You add another Pro bowler
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Speaker 2: in McDuffie at corner, you have a very interesting draft. You,
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Speaker 2: by the way, were very good, if not great a
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Speaker 2: year ago, just not as good as the Seahawks. You've
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Speaker 2: got the reigning MVP. You've got one of the most
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Speaker 2: interesting coaches. I mean, I don't get bothered by the
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Speaker 2: attention that the Rams got this offseason. The I just
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Speaker 2: got a lot of attention this offseason for all the
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Speaker 2: wrong reasons, pretty much just dominated by Brandon Ayut stories.
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Speaker 2: They can have that attention. I don't care, but we
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Speaker 2: it really the way that camp started was we started
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Speaker 2: to kick off the football season. It felt like the
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Speaker 2: world champs were on the back burner, and now all
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Speaker 2: of a sudden, in this past week, the conversation is
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Speaker 2: why are these why are the world champs on the
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Speaker 2: back burner? So now that's the national conversation that's going
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Speaker 2: on out there, and I don't know, I want to
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Speaker 2: get your thoughts on it, just briefly mine are. I
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Speaker 2: guarantee you that's exactly how Mike McDonald wants it. So
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Speaker 2: I am one thousand percent the National Football League. If
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Speaker 2: they're doing it, and I don't think they are. If
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Speaker 2: they're overlooking the Seahawks, great, fine, go ahead and do it.
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Speaker 2: See how that works out for you. It didn't last year,
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Speaker 2: So I don't have a problem. I would like them
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Speaker 2: to stop saying, stop having the conversation of why are
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Speaker 2: the Seahawks getting overlooked? Go ahead and overlook us. That's fine. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: I'm very comfortable with being overlooked. If I'm Mike McDonald
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Speaker 2: in this group here in the in the locker room.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that the majority of coaches prefer to
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Speaker 3: have that underdog sentiment about your team, just exactly as
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Speaker 3: you just described. I do think that there are a
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Speaker 3: minority of relatively brash coaches that they kind of have. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: put the bulls eye honest, because if you if you
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Speaker 3: think about the Seahawks, we're pretty bullish, and I think
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Speaker 3: the rest of the country that looks at football as
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Speaker 3: relatively bullish.
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Speaker 2: About the Seahawks. Maybe not to be the title favorites
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Speaker 2: like this year, they're not.
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Speaker 3: But but you know, you know, most people recognize they're
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Speaker 3: a young team with a young coach, and you know,
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Speaker 3: probably Sam Darnold is the great unknown of you know,
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Speaker 3: just exactly how how long he can sustain what he's
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Speaker 3: done for the last couple of weeks or excuse me,
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Speaker 3: the last couple of years.
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Speaker 2: But I do think that there are some coaches.
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Speaker 3: When when when I got traded the Cowboys, they had
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Speaker 3: won the Super Bowl the year before, and Jimmy Johnson
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Speaker 3: was like, yeah, yeah, we're the Cowboys.
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Speaker 2: Of course we're gonna have the bulls eye. He relished it.
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Speaker 3: He had that University of Miami Bravado brought to the Cowboys, right,
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Speaker 3: and he knew he had a talented team. And so
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Speaker 3: if you think of of where the Seahawks would want
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Speaker 3: to be over the next five let's say, the best
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Speaker 3: best reasonable blue sky you could possibly think, Let's say
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Speaker 3: they let's say they went two more over the next
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Speaker 3: four years, or something, you know, something like that, a
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Speaker 3: little mini dynasty. Well, at some point people are going
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Speaker 3: to stop thinking of you as the underdog and they're
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Speaker 3: gonna think of you as the king of the hill.
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Speaker 3: And and so the paradox of of wanting to be
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Speaker 3: the underdog for a coach, if you carry out that logic, at.
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Speaker 2: Some point, they're they're they're opposed.
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Speaker 3: You can't you can't get your goals and and constantly
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Speaker 3: be the the underdog.
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Speaker 2: Does that make sense? If?
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Speaker 3: I mean, if if the Seahawks have a mini dynasty.
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Speaker 3: Let's say Mike McDonald has this this just in theory,
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Speaker 3: just talk theoretically, Mike McDonald desperately wants to be the
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Speaker 3: undock underdock. That's how he wants to motivate his team.
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Speaker 3: That's the edge that he wants his team to have.
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Speaker 2: Especially today, looking for that chip on the shoulder. Yeah dude,
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Speaker 2: let's yeah. Oh good.
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Speaker 3: There's four teams in Vegas that are are ahead of.
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Speaker 3: The Rams are at five plus five point fifty. The
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Speaker 3: Bills are at plus a thousand. This is not hypothetic,
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Speaker 3: this is actual. The Ravens are at depending on fan
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Speaker 3: duel or DraftKings, you're at a plus one thousand plus
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Speaker 3: eleven hundred, and the Seahawks are at a plus eleven
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Speaker 3: hundred or twelve hundred.
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Speaker 2: So they're they're they're half the odds. We're double the odds.
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Speaker 3: However, you want to look at the of the rams, right,
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Speaker 3: and so let's say that, Mike McDonald, that's exactly what
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Speaker 3: I want to be. I always, you know, I never
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Speaker 3: I want to be outside the top three. Every Well,
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Speaker 3: if you win the way you want to win, you're
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Speaker 3: not going to keep being the fourth or fifth team
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Speaker 3: in Vegas. At some point, you're gonna be, you know,
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Speaker 3: assume to be the best, and everybody is gonna be
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Speaker 3: gunning for you. Vegas is going to know it, the
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Speaker 3: rest of the league is going to know it, the
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Speaker 3: media is going to know it. Every fan base is
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Speaker 3: gonna lose their lungs when you come to their stadium
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Speaker 3: because they know it. Because because you've created that. So
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Speaker 3: so at some point you can't cling to I always
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Speaker 3: want to be thought of as the underdog. At some
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Speaker 3: point you're gonna have to shed that. Yeah, and so, okay,
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Speaker 3: I think what you're saying, But I would also say
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Speaker 3: in the interim for this year, yeah, go ahead and
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Speaker 3: do it again.
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Speaker 2: That's fine. Yeah, I'm not worried about it. I will
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Speaker 2: just say this, I think it's more of the fan
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Speaker 2: base that gets worked up over it. And again I'd
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Speaker 2: give the same message to you, Why do you why
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Speaker 2: do you want them to be front and center? You
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Speaker 2: know it worked so well, you know, just kind of
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Speaker 2: creeping up on everybody all season long, and by the
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Speaker 2: just improving week to week, and by the end of
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Speaker 2: the year, the conversations like started not just locally with us,
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Speaker 2: but nationally, like is this the best team in the league?
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Speaker 2: Those things started to creep into the conversation. And by
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Speaker 2: the time we get to the Super Bowl, who cares
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Speaker 2: if a bunch of fools and other markets haven't watched
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Speaker 2: the Seahawks and don't know what they're talking about. Like
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Speaker 2: to me, when I was around football people, and I'm
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Speaker 2: not even talking about Seattle people. When I would travel
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Speaker 2: and or talk to a buddy on the phone, guys
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Speaker 2: who who have sports talk show hosts that have known
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Speaker 2: over the years, or whatever the case may be, by
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Speaker 2: the time we got past the chit chat, you know,
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Speaker 2: small things like meaning of life. By the time we
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Speaker 2: got to just talking about sports, The first things out
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Speaker 2: of their mouths were, damn that, damn the Seahawks are good.
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Speaker 2: Like the people that knew knew last year by the
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Speaker 2: time we got to the Super Bowl. And some of
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Speaker 2: those loud mouth jackasses, you know, they probably watched highlights
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Speaker 2: of the Seahawks during the course of the season in
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Speaker 2: one ear out the other. Who cares if they don't
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Speaker 2: recognize how good the Seahawks? Who how good the Seahawks are?
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Speaker 2: But the ones that know, they know. I mean, this
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Speaker 2: team has made out of substance. This team has some depth.
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Speaker 2: This team is young, it's getting better, and I think
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Speaker 2: that I think the entire fan base should be happy
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Speaker 2: keeping that secret to ourselves. I agree.
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Speaker 3: I think there's also some objective reason. Is why you
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Speaker 3: would put the rams in front of the sea off?
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Speaker 2: For sure? No question? Yeah, if I get that.
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Speaker 3: If you if you look at the net inflows versus
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Speaker 3: the the outflows, yeah, in terms of free agency, and
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Speaker 3: I just said, okay, what what's the best way to
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Speaker 3: measure this?
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Speaker 2: Because I wanted to have a way to objectively measure it.
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Speaker 3: And I thought, well, the total contracts, that's a lousy
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Speaker 3: way because a lot of the second or third years
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Speaker 3: or what have you? Or are you know, they're just fluff,
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Speaker 3: you know the no everybody knows that. You know, the
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Speaker 3: last year you're gonna make eighty million, but you're gonna
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Speaker 3: they're gonna make a decision about you long before that,
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Speaker 3: so it's not the average. I think it's better to
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Speaker 3: say the guaranteed. And at first I ran the spreadsheet
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Speaker 3: the total guaranteed, but then some guys are getting four
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Speaker 3: year contracts, some guys are getting three, some guys are
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Speaker 3: getting two. So I actually thought the best metric is
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Speaker 3: the guaranteed average per year.
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Speaker 2: I thought that was the best.
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Speaker 3: And when then and then you run it through every
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Speaker 3: every free agent change to the team. So I got
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Speaker 3: to call them of their last year's team, and I
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Speaker 3: got to call them for this year's team, whatever sort it.
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Speaker 3: And the Seahawks come in second to the bottom. Only
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Speaker 3: the Packers had had more net outflows. And that's because
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Speaker 3: of the backup quarterback Malik Willis. He goes to Miami
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Speaker 3: for forty five million guaranteed on a three year that's
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Speaker 3: a fifteen million So if you erase that because I
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Speaker 3: put an asterisk to that, because Malik Willis was not
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Speaker 3: the Packer quarterback. They didn't lose Jordan Love, they lost
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Speaker 3: their back will quarterback. So if you can put an asterisk,
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Speaker 3: which I think is fair to do, then the Seahawks
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Speaker 3: because become the number one net.
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Speaker 2: Loss team in free agency.
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Speaker 3: Then moreover, they only had four draft picks, which was
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Speaker 3: tied for the lowest. Now, they did use a next
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Speaker 3: year's pick to pick up both Phillips, but Stevens Bo Stevens.
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Speaker 3: I used to coach a kid named both both Phillips. Uh,
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Speaker 3: I got my bow's mixed up. And they did not
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Speaker 3: get Bo Jackson. They get both Phillips, they got both
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Speaker 3: Stevens as the right guard, and they used the next
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Speaker 3: year's pick and uh.
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Speaker 2: And So.
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Speaker 3: I think I think just objectively, you say, okay, what
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Speaker 3: kind of transactions did you make since the Super Bowl?
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Speaker 3: And and then you could look and say, okay, the
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Speaker 3: Seahawks they took a dip with they had more talent
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Speaker 3: drain than they had talent acquisitions.
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Speaker 2: So I think that's fair. And then the other part
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Speaker 2: of it is, I think it's totally fair if I'm
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Speaker 2: if I if you come to the Truck Palace sports book,
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Speaker 2: I'm making the Rams the favorite. Yeah, not just to
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Speaker 2: win the NFC West, but to win the Super Bowl.
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Speaker 2: I'm making them the favorite this year. But I just
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Speaker 2: that adds even more reason two. Don't get worked up
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Speaker 2: because the national audience can't decide whether or not the
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Speaker 2: Seahawks are any good. Yeah, the Seahawks are great. They
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Speaker 2: are defending world champs. They're gonna be better this year.
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Speaker 2: But the Rams are gonna probably be better too, So
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Speaker 2: good luck forty nine ers.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think that you could you could say
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Speaker 3: the Rams. Okay, let's say you were to concede or
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Speaker 3: stipulate that the Rams are the better.
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Speaker 2: Team in twenty twenty six.
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Speaker 3: That on paper, on paper, Yeah, you still have the issue. Okay,
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Speaker 3: what about the inter You know what about five years
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Speaker 3: down the road? You know what about three, five, seven
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Speaker 3: years down the road? Seven might be a little long
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Speaker 3: to project, but but the two to five years I
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Speaker 3: would much rather be Seattle, Yeah much. At some point,
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Speaker 3: you know, Matthew Stafford is going to give way to
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Speaker 3: Ty Simpson. I think that was a reach for ty
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Speaker 3: Simpson at thirteen, and then you know Miles Garrett, He's
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Speaker 3: gonna be thirty one. If they rely on Aaron Donald
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Speaker 3: this year of course he's gonna get older. So that's
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Speaker 3: an old team and they've used a lot of resources
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Speaker 3: to acquire you know, Miles Garrett and the like and
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Speaker 3: Trent mcduffels, and that is important to me as somebody
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Speaker 3: that loves sports.
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Speaker 2: For roster construction, I mean, I know everybody. He loves
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Speaker 2: to use the phrase go all in.
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Speaker 1: No.
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Speaker 2: Those are that's saved for teams that have been close
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Speaker 2: have an older roster and they like, let's just put
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Speaker 2: all of our chips in to try to win now
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Speaker 2: and then we'll be fine with rebuilding. I'd much rather
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Speaker 2: be the team that's already won a champimpionship and feels
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Speaker 2: like we're at the beginning. We're not. We're not at
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Speaker 2: the end, we're not at the middle. We're at the
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Speaker 2: beginning of something here, and I think that's where the
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Speaker 2: Seahawks are. So chatter away, all you fools. You're not
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Speaker 2: gonna bother me with your seahawk over looking at I'll
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Speaker 2: pretty much just two stories really today. Usually my headline
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Speaker 2: list is pretty lengthy, but it's not really Today. We've
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Speaker 2: got Seahawks training camp, which we're going to discuss. We
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Speaker 2: got Hue here for four hours. Greg Bell is gonna
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Speaker 2: be bumped from seven oh five to eight o'clock here today.
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Speaker 2: Drake Thomas is going to take his spot at seven,
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Speaker 2: so we'll we'll chat with the linebacker today at seven
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Speaker 2: seven oh five ish on the radio program. But plenty
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Speaker 2: of training camp conversation, even though the team did not
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Speaker 2: practice yesterday. And then there's the Mariners, who lost last
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Speaker 2: night to the Los Angeles Dodgers four to two. Started
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Speaker 2: to get the bats going late against the Dodgers' bullpen,
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Speaker 2: but for whatever reason, could not solve Eric Lower and
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Speaker 2: did not play good defense, which we'll get into here
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Speaker 2: in a moment. But the Dodgers do keep the Mariners
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Speaker 2: from winning back to back games at Dodgers Stadium four
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Speaker 2: to two, the final score, still a chance to win
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Speaker 2: the series. But Bryce Miller has been moved out of
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Speaker 2: this Game's kind of strange. He's been backed up to Friday.
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Speaker 2: You're already on a six man rotation, and now Bryce
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Speaker 2: doesn't feel up for going today, and yet he feels
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Speaker 2: like he's going to be able to pitch on Friday.
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Speaker 2: And so guess who gets moved up. Brian Wu the
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Speaker 2: guy that has struggled severely on the road. You would
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Speaker 2: much rather have Brian Wu right starting your home the
20:20
Speaker 2: start of your home nine game homestand on Friday. But
20:25
Speaker 2: instead it'll be Brian Wu going today, not Bryce Miller
20:29
Speaker 2: against Roki Sasaki. And you never know what you're gonna
20:32
Speaker 2: get from Roki Sasaki. He can dominate you for eight innings,
20:35
Speaker 2: or he could walk eight guys in the first inning.
20:38
Speaker 2: That's what you're facing here today, game number three of
20:42
Speaker 2: the series. We are four days away from the Major
20:44
Speaker 2: League Baseball trading deadline. We'll talk a little bit about
20:47
Speaker 2: that today. Did Emerson Hancock pitch his last game as
20:51
Speaker 2: a Mariner last night? Certainly a worthy discussion today. And
20:55
Speaker 2: don't miss Friday Tacoma, Rayniers I get to lay eyeballs
20:59
Speaker 2: on Michael Royal and Las Montes assuming they're not going
21:02
Speaker 2: to be called up by the homestand but Brendan Donovan
21:07
Speaker 2: might still be down there. We shall see. But Raynier's Friday,
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Speaker 2: don't miss it. I'll be on the call with Riley
21:14
Speaker 2: pay Friday night in Tacoma. Coming up next, we'll go
21:18
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Speaker 2: Good morning, It is Chuck and Hugh with you from
21:44
Speaker 2: Seahawks training camp. But that doesn't mean we won't honor
21:48
Speaker 2: our responsibility to play depressing music talking about the Mariners
21:52
Speaker 2: and Mariners Morning After. That's just what we got to do.
21:56
Speaker 2: Our astrology signs say that's what we were chosen to
21:59
Speaker 2: do to my horoscope, and they're like, don't change a thing.
22:05
Speaker 3: You're gonna just follow that horoscope.
22:09
Speaker 2: It said, you're going to be tempted to change things today,
22:12
Speaker 2: but stick with it. Now you're getting into inside jokes.
22:17
Speaker 2: You gonna let it. The people in or are just
22:21
Speaker 2: on by. I can save you here. Who doesn't believe
22:25
Speaker 2: in horoscopes or astrologies that does that pretty clearly. Well,
22:29
Speaker 2: my comment was, you said you're a Gemini.
22:31
Speaker 3: If if you had a convention in Sea York Stadium
22:34
Speaker 3: of all geminis, you did a Myers brig personality test
22:38
Speaker 3: on everybody in the stadium, you'd get just as much
22:40
Speaker 3: variance of all the Geminis as you would with the
22:43
Speaker 3: general population. It is a complete, utter, unexplained nonsense. How
22:49
Speaker 3: people are into this personality of your freaking sign. There
22:54
Speaker 3: might take and and my other that I don't have
22:57
Speaker 3: a strong opinion about it.
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Speaker 2: I am a Gemini. I am a Gemini, and I
23:01
Speaker 2: don't know what other horoscopes or other signs are you,
23:05
Speaker 2: but mine does fit me. I'll say that, Well, yeah,
23:08
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know what those are supposed
23:10
Speaker 2: to be twinn I'm gonna I got two personalities, and
23:13
Speaker 2: there is no doubt about it. There is zero doubt
23:16
Speaker 2: about it. I think a lot of us think that
23:18
Speaker 2: we have two personalities.
23:19
Speaker 3: And I bet you if you looked at the other
23:21
Speaker 3: eleven signs, you'd say, oh, that kind of looks at me.
23:24
Speaker 2: It looks like me too. I'll tell you that the
23:26
Speaker 2: Mariners aren't geminis. They have committed to not being consistent
23:30
Speaker 2: this year. There's just one there. Oh, there's one person well, yeah,
23:37
Speaker 2: they have decided, you know, if we start playing, well,
23:40
Speaker 2: we're gonna put an end to that. Okay, yeah, that's
23:43
Speaker 2: what they want. Personality. Yeah, there's one personality there. Hey,
23:47
Speaker 2: we start performing, well, we're not gonna ride with that.
23:50
Speaker 2: We're just gonna put an end to it immediately. Yeah.
23:52
Speaker 3: Well, I've noticed this Easter egg hunt that we're on
23:55
Speaker 3: to find the one game or the one home run
23:58
Speaker 3: that turns the season around.
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Speaker 2: I think the list is up to like nine circle
24:04
Speaker 2: that one. See, that's it. That's the time. Well, they
24:08
Speaker 2: did put on an impressive show, probably their most impressive
24:11
Speaker 2: show offensively all season long, two nights ago. Could they
24:15
Speaker 2: make it two in a row. Last night against the
24:17
Speaker 2: mighty Los Angeles Dodgers, Emerson Hancock takes the mound for
24:21
Speaker 2: the Mariners. Certainly could be his last start as a Mariner,
24:25
Speaker 2: considering how much trade talk is circling around that sweetheart
24:30
Speaker 2: of a young man, Emerson Hancock. And he did not
24:33
Speaker 2: pitch poorly last night. He just really didn't get much
24:36
Speaker 2: defensive help whatsoever. Of course, the Mariners fall behind in
24:40
Speaker 2: the first inning. They have now allowed a first inning run.
24:43
Speaker 2: I think in six consecutive games. Andy Pahi's hits a
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Speaker 2: home run to make it one to nothing. Then West
24:50
Speaker 2: and Wilson can't handle a grounder in the third and
24:54
Speaker 2: it leads to a second Dodger run. And if West
24:58
Speaker 2: and Wilson doesn't have problem with a grounder again in
25:01
Speaker 2: the fourth, here's your highlight on a two two round
25:05
Speaker 2: ball and.
25:06
Speaker 3: It gets past Wilson that scores.
25:12
Speaker 2: Three nothing. Aaron Goldsmith on the call Mariners that TV.
25:18
Speaker 3: I think Aaron Goldsmith is phenomenal, right that he works
25:22
Speaker 3: for Fox at time, so he's sensational. I think that
25:26
Speaker 3: that was an insufficient call of that play gets passed,
25:31
Speaker 3: could mean a CNI ground ball that that the shortstop
25:36
Speaker 3: can't get nor can the third basement get passed. I
25:39
Speaker 3: don't think he's descriptive enough that ball should have he
25:43
Speaker 3: got a glove on it. He kind of dove. He
25:46
Speaker 3: didn't seem like he needed to dive. It didn't seem
25:50
Speaker 3: like the range. So between the rains and the uh
25:54
Speaker 3: and and just booting the ball with his glove on
25:57
Speaker 3: two back to back, that was terrible.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was terrible at that position. I would have
26:04
Speaker 2: called them both errors, but because he left his feet,
26:07
Speaker 2: they called them both singles. I think Aaron was under
26:11
Speaker 2: the weather last night, because that did not Aaron, from
26:14
Speaker 2: beginning to end did not sound like Aaron. I don't
26:17
Speaker 2: know what was going on there. Uh. But also you
26:20
Speaker 2: know he's trying to protect the player in that situation,
26:23
Speaker 2: as in Mariner's employee. I'm sure we don't have to
26:27
Speaker 2: West and Wilson is. I mean, he's only on this
26:32
Speaker 2: roster because of injuries and because of our inability to
26:36
Speaker 2: hit left handers, and they got desperate and they went
26:39
Speaker 2: out and find somebody off the scrap heap. And he's
26:42
Speaker 2: an athletic dude. He's big, strong dude. He can play
26:45
Speaker 2: multiple positions, but he's probably playing like his worst position.
26:49
Speaker 2: Putting him over there at third base, I mean, yeah,
26:52
Speaker 2: I can't catch or play shortstop, but I think he's
26:56
Speaker 2: for us to be trying to win a division and
26:59
Speaker 2: we've got and Wilson playing meaningful innings at third base
27:04
Speaker 2: is just it is. It's less than ideal. And I
27:09
Speaker 2: mean athletically put him in a straight line. At his size,
27:13
Speaker 2: he can move pretty well, but he's like Herman Munster
27:16
Speaker 2: over there the first song. Yeah, I like, I mean
27:27
Speaker 2: he was, he just there was there's no lateral movement
27:31
Speaker 2: over there, and and he just clunked both of those plays.
27:34
Speaker 2: And Emerson Hancock deserved a better faith than that.
27:37
Speaker 3: Well, when you're wearing boots that are eight inc is
27:39
Speaker 3: to all, it's harder to get down for those scround balls.
27:41
Speaker 3: But was very disint He first came into my awareness
27:46
Speaker 3: on when they pinched or I wouldn't say pinch ran,
27:49
Speaker 3: but the uh uh, he was the he was the
27:54
Speaker 3: designated second base. He was the ghost runner on an
27:59
Speaker 3: X raining game. A grumb ball to the short stop. Yeah,
28:03
Speaker 3: he just he just runs in. The short says, well,
28:05
Speaker 3: if you're gonna do that, I'll just take it to
28:07
Speaker 3: the third basement and we'll take you out.
28:10
Speaker 2: So he shouldn't.
28:11
Speaker 3: I mean there was there was athletic, but I was like,
28:14
Speaker 3: there was no Little league mistake.
28:16
Speaker 2: There was no plan to have him on the roster
28:18
Speaker 2: playing meaningful minutes of this. But you're down to Donovan
28:21
Speaker 2: and JP's got a wrist, and you're so bad against
28:24
Speaker 2: left handers, and Wilson actually has been hitting against lefties,
28:29
Speaker 2: but you're so bad overall against lefties. You're trying to
28:32
Speaker 2: get anybody in the lineup that can get a base
28:34
Speaker 2: hit for goodness sake. So he's playing meaningful innings and
28:37
Speaker 2: he shouldn't be. And last night its handcock. Yeah, it
28:41
Speaker 2: absolutely did. Uh. The Mariners did finally start getting some
28:45
Speaker 2: hits in the hitting the ball hard in the eight
28:48
Speaker 2: the ninth innings against the Dodgers' bullpen, for some reason,
28:51
Speaker 2: they couldn't touch Eric Lower, but they then couldn't find
28:55
Speaker 2: a hole. In the eighth the ninth inning. Oscar Hernandez
28:58
Speaker 2: has never made a play that good defensively in his
29:02
Speaker 2: entire life to rob extra bases from Mitch Garver, and
29:07
Speaker 2: so the Dodgers end up taking the game by a
29:09
Speaker 2: final score of four to two. Here is the skipper
29:11
Speaker 2: Dan Wilson after the game. Yeah, different kind of a
29:14
Speaker 2: ball game tonight.
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Speaker 4: You know, I thought Emerson, you know, threw the ball well,
29:19
Speaker 4: you know, I had a couple of jams you know
29:21
Speaker 4: there where he was able to you know, work out
29:23
Speaker 4: of it with with limited damage. I thought he gave
29:26
Speaker 4: us a chance and and uh, the way the bullpen
29:28
Speaker 4: through the ball, you know, kept it very close for
29:32
Speaker 4: us and you and let me start over, you know,
29:37
Speaker 4: kept kept the bullpen close, and you know, kept the
29:39
Speaker 4: game close, and it gave us a chance to late
29:41
Speaker 4: to kind of tack on and offensively. You know, just
29:44
Speaker 4: kind of a different night tonight. You know, yesterday found
29:47
Speaker 4: a lot of barrels. Today a lot of contexts, not
29:49
Speaker 4: a lot of barrels, and a couple of walks to
29:52
Speaker 4: get us some traffic here and there. But outside of that,
29:55
Speaker 4: you know, I'm just just not much going and uh,
29:58
Speaker 4: you know, chuck the night there until late. You know,
30:01
Speaker 4: we found more barrels late and you know, try to
30:05
Speaker 4: jump back into it, but I just won't able to
30:07
Speaker 4: do it there at the end.
30:09
Speaker 2: There was a follow up about the lack of consistency
30:13
Speaker 2: from the offense and philosophically what have they done to
30:17
Speaker 2: try It's just a question he has not answered all
30:20
Speaker 2: season long. Either he doesn't have the answer, or that
30:24
Speaker 2: risks Dan calling out like he's worried that that calls
30:28
Speaker 2: out one of his coaches or one of his players.
30:31
Speaker 2: And you know, Dan's got the worst press conferences in
30:35
Speaker 2: the history of sports. I mean, there's just really no
30:38
Speaker 2: substance to them. But he, to a fault, is going
30:41
Speaker 2: to protect every single person under his watch and never
30:45
Speaker 2: ever come close to throwing somebody under the bus. So
30:48
Speaker 2: he just refuses to answer the question about offensive consistency
30:52
Speaker 2: and the lack of it.
30:53
Speaker 3: So drilled down on that, what what would you be
30:56
Speaker 3: trying to get from him? If if if, if he
31:00
Speaker 3: if we doubled his candor, I would like that's it.
31:04
Speaker 2: I don't want him to. I mean, he has the
31:07
Speaker 2: respect of those people in the locker room because of that,
31:09
Speaker 2: and I know that's the way he wanted to be
31:11
Speaker 2: treated as a player. And he you know, probably cringed
31:15
Speaker 2: if a manager threw him under the bus or a
31:17
Speaker 2: teammate under the bus. So I know that's that's the style.
31:20
Speaker 2: But candor is it just like it's okay to just say, hey,
31:24
Speaker 2: we're struggling with this, and we're working on a few things,
31:27
Speaker 2: and and and if we had the solution, you know,
31:32
Speaker 2: we would be hitting better.
31:34
Speaker 5: But it is, you know, just a little more like
31:37
Speaker 5: we're really bothered by this, rather than rather than just
31:42
Speaker 5: answer it as hey, you know, you know that's baseball,
31:45
Speaker 5: and you know, you know.
31:46
Speaker 2: We yea, we make contact. We just couldn't find barrels
31:50
Speaker 2: and then we found barrels, couldn't find holes, you know.
31:52
Speaker 2: I mean, it's the same press conference every single It's
31:55
Speaker 2: a description, and people would like to have like a
32:00
Speaker 2: few answers. Why do you think that it's struggling? What
32:03
Speaker 2: what's gonna turn this thing around? You just never get
32:06
Speaker 2: in right. Well, think of it like a broadcast booth.
32:08
Speaker 3: You have a play by play guy and you have
32:12
Speaker 3: an analyst, right, and they both perform vital jobs.
32:17
Speaker 2: So what you're.
32:17
Speaker 3: Saying is that he responds like a play by play guy.
32:22
Speaker 2: He really does.
32:23
Speaker 3: When we really want him to respond like an analyst. Yeah,
32:26
Speaker 3: and he won't give you analyst stuff. He's just gonna
32:29
Speaker 3: give you a play. It's a recitation of what we
32:33
Speaker 3: just saw. Yeah, yeah, that's what he does. And wins analysses.
32:41
Speaker 3: I think that you know, he mentioned you found barrels.
32:43
Speaker 3: He had five home runs the night before. And this
32:47
Speaker 3: goes again to each of the both this year and
32:51
Speaker 3: last year twenty ninth and doubles second to last in doubles,
32:55
Speaker 3: I would think that a consistent offensive team would find
33:00
Speaker 3: slugging more proportional. I think it's the Mariners have a
33:06
Speaker 3: disproportionate amount of their slugging prowess, if I can even
33:11
Speaker 3: use that word, or lack thereof, it is tied to
33:14
Speaker 3: home runs.
33:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. And you know, and now you don't.
33:17
Speaker 3: We don't talk about triples because all triples are doubles
33:20
Speaker 3: in the right field corner, and you don't have enough
33:23
Speaker 3: of them to be meaningful. But doubles are meaningful, yes,
33:26
Speaker 3: And the ratio of doubles to home runs I would
33:29
Speaker 3: think for the consistent teams would be a lot more
33:35
Speaker 3: even out than what the Mariners have exhibited, not just
33:37
Speaker 3: this year, but last year as well.
33:39
Speaker 2: I mean, you're built to hit home runs and you're
33:40
Speaker 2: not hitting enough of them. You you've really never hit
33:44
Speaker 2: enough doubles, and I don't know why that is. Brendan
33:47
Speaker 2: Donovan was supposed to help some of that, and you
33:50
Speaker 2: don't really emphasize the manufacture of runs when everything else
33:55
Speaker 2: is going. You just kind of sit around and wait
33:58
Speaker 2: for the home run. And obviously, you know we're not
34:02
Speaker 2: getting cal Rawley any close of a version of him.
34:07
Speaker 2: Julio is not taking the step forward. Hadn't had a
34:10
Speaker 2: bad year, but man, we keep waiting for him to
34:13
Speaker 2: take that big step forward. I mean it's just from
34:16
Speaker 2: night to night. I mean, you think you get a
34:17
Speaker 2: little momentum and then it dissolves. A guy like Eric Lower,
34:21
Speaker 2: I mean, that is, without question, the worst starting pitcher
34:24
Speaker 2: that the Dodgers have. He is like number eleven on
34:26
Speaker 2: their depth chart. They've had so many injuries, he'd be
34:29
Speaker 2: like their eleventh starter. And he's one hitting us through
34:32
Speaker 2: six innings last night. It's maddening, it is. But you
34:35
Speaker 2: have a chance today to take two out of three
34:39
Speaker 2: from the best team in Major League Baseball, defending World champs.
34:44
Speaker 2: And the first pitch is at seven to ten, Brian
34:47
Speaker 2: Wu going against Roki Sasaki tonight. That is your pitching matchup,
34:51
Speaker 2: all right. More from Seahawks training camp in a moment
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Speaker 2: Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM. One man leaves
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, let's time the camp battle here on Thunderdome,
35:27
Speaker 2: Chuck Kyle, Hugh Mellenwether Seahawks training camp. The sun's broken out,
35:31
Speaker 2: It's now splashed across this football field, gorgeous complex, and
35:37
Speaker 2: we got our QB one here to talk to some
35:38
Speaker 2: Seahawks football. We got Drake Thomas coming out of the top,
35:41
Speaker 2: So I'm just gonna squeeze in a quick little camp
35:43
Speaker 2: battle here talk about the linebacker position before he gets here.
35:47
Speaker 2: We know Ernest Jones the spot is locked up. I'm
35:50
Speaker 2: pretty sure Drake Thomas is gonna be a starter this
35:52
Speaker 2: year at linebacker, but I guess there's room for Tyres
35:55
Speaker 2: Knight to still sort of make things uncomfortable for Drake.
35:59
Speaker 2: He has shown things in special teams, for sure, and
36:02
Speaker 2: at various times in his career. But do you see
36:05
Speaker 2: a camp battle at all here? Do you see a
36:07
Speaker 2: way where Tyrese Knight fights his way above Drake Thomas
36:11
Speaker 2: or with Drake Thomas in this defense?
36:13
Speaker 3: Probably not, but I wouldn't rule it out. If I'm
36:17
Speaker 3: betting who's starting against the Patriots at weekside linebacker, I
36:21
Speaker 3: think it's Drake Thomas. I think he's earned it. I
36:25
Speaker 3: was surprised when he emerged. I think it's it's one
36:30
Speaker 3: of many, many, almost a countless list of of attributes
36:36
Speaker 3: or circumstances where I would point to Mike McDonald and
36:41
Speaker 3: his brilliance because you know, here was a guy that
36:45
Speaker 3: anybody could have got for anything, and and you kind
36:47
Speaker 3: of look at him.
36:49
Speaker 2: You know, he's short and.
36:52
Speaker 3: Short, stocky guy, you know, been cut. He was with
36:55
Speaker 3: the Raider, you know, just kind of bouncing around. And
36:58
Speaker 3: the idea that Mike McDonald's awe something in him and
37:01
Speaker 3: then saw a starter in him. You know, I just
37:08
Speaker 3: think it's it's it's again. Mike McDonald has this vision
37:13
Speaker 3: and it's like he reverse engineers. He goes, I know
37:15
Speaker 3: what the finished product is supposed to look like, how
37:18
Speaker 3: do I get there? And having a guy in Drake
37:21
Speaker 3: Thomas that is so sound in terms of his assignment
37:26
Speaker 3: that what he lacks in athleticism he makes up for
37:31
Speaker 3: with anticipation being in the right spot. His first step
37:35
Speaker 3: is is right.
37:37
Speaker 2: Uh.
37:37
Speaker 3: He is physical in a in a short you know,
37:40
Speaker 3: you know, he's short, there's only so much.
37:42
Speaker 2: Power you can get.
37:42
Speaker 3: But he's he's stocky and uh, and and he just
37:47
Speaker 3: was you know, almost without error, his his his his
37:53
Speaker 3: assignment grade, I would imagine internally is as as good
37:59
Speaker 3: as anybody on that defense.
38:00
Speaker 2: Wasn't a consistent basis I imagining it just it just
38:03
Speaker 2: seemed like he just kept getting better. It just all
38:06
Speaker 2: season longer, just kept seemed like game to game he
38:09
Speaker 2: was making a better impact.
38:11
Speaker 3: Well, his biggest impact play was the interception with the
38:15
Speaker 3: forty nine ers were driving, they could have pulled within
38:18
Speaker 3: a couple of points in the fourth quarter, and he
38:23
Speaker 3: he's lot in that coverage. He ends up having to
38:26
Speaker 3: to match Christian McCaffrey to the flat, which is essentially
38:31
Speaker 3: man and man, and uh, you know, ball was a
38:34
Speaker 3: little behind bobbles and he had incredible hands to be
38:39
Speaker 3: to be able to make that play, get his feet down,
38:41
Speaker 3: complete the interception. Very athletic play, yeah, in those two respects.
38:47
Speaker 3: And so yeah, I think I think that you know,
38:50
Speaker 3: you make a play like that, and and all of
38:53
Speaker 3: your teammates see that on the tape, and and all
38:56
Speaker 3: of your teammates know what a big play that was,
38:59
Speaker 3: and so I think it it engenders more confidence.
39:03
Speaker 2: So I would agree that he.
39:05
Speaker 3: His his impact continued Jacksonville. He was doing really good
39:09
Speaker 3: things as a pass rusher. Uh so, so I you
39:14
Speaker 3: know he made uh he made Mike McDonald made a
39:19
Speaker 3: fool out of me because I would have I would
39:20
Speaker 3: have been scratching my head head, you know, right when
39:23
Speaker 3: you told me, okay, well, Drake Thomas's beat out Tyree
39:26
Speaker 3: s Are you sure?
39:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hear. He's got his eye on me and
39:32
Speaker 2: he's going to try to figure out how good a
39:33
Speaker 2: football player I can be for the end of training camp.
39:36
Speaker 2: So that's a real project he's taken on. But you
39:41
Speaker 2: never know, maybe I'll Thomas, I want to be a
39:44
Speaker 2: part of a camp. I would start with holding for Yeah. Yeah,
39:48
Speaker 2: that's a good starting baby, start starting spot right there,
39:53
Speaker 2: uay today, holding tomorrow JSN. All right, well, Drake's gonna
39:58
Speaker 2: enough talking behind us, bas He's gonna join us right
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Speaker 2: here at our set. Next Sports Radio ninety three point
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