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Fort Hood Soldier missing. Foul play suspected. Help us find Vanessa Guillen! · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: A gorgeous a man goes missing, and to compound it,
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Speaker 1: she's a soldier. According to many, the Army seemingly is
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Speaker 1: closing ranks around the search for Vanessa. But why crime
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Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace. I'm Nancy Grace. This is crime
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Speaker 1: stories and let's kick it off. Take a listen to this.
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Speaker 1: Investigators say, the twenty year old soldier was last seen
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Speaker 1: April twenty second at one pm. There was a fellow
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Speaker 1: where girl she was Sney that would co hold that
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Speaker 1: it was world party to your wife being like a dame.
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Speaker 1: Do you know it would be easy for her to
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Speaker 1: choose the other route and let her. She would come
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Speaker 1: home every weekend to Myra, says her sisters the world
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Speaker 1: to her, and she'd do anything to find her. I
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Speaker 1: love her and I'm not gonna stop. I'm not gonna
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Speaker 1: stop until I have her whistles, because I mean, I'm
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Speaker 1: time with the army. CID is encouraging anyone with information
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Speaker 1: to come forward, even if you choose to remain anonymous.
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Speaker 1: What the hay is going on? She's been missing since April. Guys,
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Speaker 1: you're just hearing our friend Nis your poor Jasmine Caldwell.
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Speaker 1: Where is Vanessa? Joining me right now and all star
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Speaker 1: paddles starting with Jim Elliott, renowned detorney, joining us from
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Speaker 1: butlersnow dot com representing multiple municipalities. Doctor Angela Arnold Psychiatrists
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Speaker 1: joining me from the Atlanta jurisdiction. Cloyd Steiger thirty six
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Speaker 1: years Seattle PD twenty two of that a homicide author
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Speaker 1: of Seattle's Forgotten serial killer, Gary Jane Grant. You can
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Speaker 1: find him at Cloyd Steiger dot com. Our longtime friend
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Speaker 1: and colleague from Texas Equisearch, a victim turned victim's hero,
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Speaker 1: Tim Miller. But right now straight out to Olivia, Levada
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Speaker 1: with k x x v TV. Olivia, thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us. I don't like this one bit. We've
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Speaker 1: been on this case from the beginning and I've seen
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Speaker 1: little to none movement on the search for Vanessa. In fact,
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Speaker 1: as you know, Olivia, I have just been gone on
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Speaker 1: an RV trip with my children and I hear remains
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Speaker 1: found near fort Hood and I went, oh, dear Lord
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Speaker 1: in Heaven, it's it's Vanessa. Turns out, if somebody else
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Speaker 1: that's been missing from fort Hood for a year, I'll
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Speaker 1: circle back to the other missing person, the other dead body.
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Speaker 1: Let's focus on Vanessa. Let's start at the beginning. Olivia,
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Speaker 1: I feel like the Army's not really helping as much
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Speaker 1: as it should, and I wonder are they trying to
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Speaker 1: cover something up. I can't help but wonder that. I
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Speaker 1: don't want to accuse them, but when they're not forthcoming,
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Speaker 1: it seems to take on a nefarious bent. Let's stick
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Speaker 1: with the facts. Start at the beginning, when Vanessa goes missing,
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Speaker 1: Olivia Levada, Yes, Nancy, Well, Vanessa Gain has been missing
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Speaker 1: since April twenty seconds, so that is just over two months.
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Speaker 1: We know that she is assigned to the third Cavalry
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Speaker 1: Regiment here at Courthood, and she was last seen on
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Speaker 1: April twenty second in the parking lot of her Regimental
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Speaker 1: Engineer squadron. That's the last time someone saw her. Now
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Speaker 1: you say, Olivia Levada, that she was last seen April
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Speaker 1: twenty two near her regimental squadron. So let me narrow
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Speaker 1: in on that. Was she inside or outside when they
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Speaker 1: saw her? They saw her in a parking lot. Parking lot.
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Speaker 1: When you say squadron, does that I mean near her
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Speaker 1: where she was working or near where she lived her
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Speaker 1: barracks near where she was working. Okay, how close were
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Speaker 1: her barracks where she lived too, where she worked. I
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Speaker 1: do not know the answer to that. I'm very curious
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Speaker 1: about that. I wonder if she's leaving work or if
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Speaker 1: she is coming back to work at what time of
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Speaker 1: the day was that she was last spotted, Olivia, if
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Speaker 1: you could refresh my recollection, there's been some discrepancies with
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Speaker 1: the timeline, but we know that she was seen sometime
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Speaker 1: around in the afternoon, around noon or one, and the
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Speaker 1: last time she actually had correspondence with eleven thirty now
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Speaker 1: right there, Kloyd Steiger thirty six years Seattle, PD. I
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Speaker 1: would think of all places the army would have surveillance videos,
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Speaker 1: so why don't we know what times she was in
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Speaker 1: the parking lots? Yeah, I was exactly thinking that same thing.
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Speaker 1: There must be surveillance videos all over there, the gate parts,
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Speaker 1: coming and going from the fort. I don't know why.
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Speaker 1: Maybe they do have something they're just not sharing it.
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Speaker 1: I don't know why. I wonder why they wouldn't because
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Speaker 1: that would have her exact outfit on it and everything
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Speaker 1: you need to start a search back to you, Olivia
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Speaker 1: Leveda k x x V TV Olivia. It's my understanding
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Speaker 1: she was not in a typical army uniform. Please don't
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Speaker 1: get me wrong. My father was in the military, my
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Speaker 1: father in law was in the military. All for the military.
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Speaker 1: But when it comes to a missing person, I would
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Speaker 1: think that they would have that security surveillance video released
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Speaker 1: asap day one and I haven't seen any of it.
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Speaker 1: And the reason I ask is because she wasn't wearing
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Speaker 1: a typical army style uniform. To my understanding, what was
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Speaker 1: she wearing when she went missing? Olivia? She was wearing
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Speaker 1: a black tshirt and leggings, A black tshirt and leggings,
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Speaker 1: and that was okay to wear that to work? Am
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Speaker 1: I correct? That's what she was wearing. That's what we
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Speaker 1: were told she was wearing. It is interesting that she
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Speaker 1: wasn't in uniform. I've been informed that that is okay
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Speaker 1: to where to work. And what exactly did she'd do Olivia,
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Speaker 1: Based on what she did, specifically what was her job
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Speaker 1: within the military, I know that on that day she
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Speaker 1: was working in the armory room. To you, Tim Miller,
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Speaker 1: Texas Equisearch guys. Tim Miller his family a crime victim
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Speaker 1: of themselves. When his daughter goes missing and has found dead,
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Speaker 1: who takes upon himself to start looking for missing people
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Speaker 1: and has devoted his life to that. Tim Miller specifically,
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Speaker 1: she worked in the armory and that is a hands
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Speaker 1: on technical job. She was not required to wear full
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Speaker 1: army uniform. I have been told. The reason I'm bringing
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Speaker 1: that out, Tim Miller, is because for anyone looking for
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Speaker 1: Vanessa Gein, she's not gonna have been wearing green camouflage
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Speaker 1: fatigues that day. That's not what she had on. And
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Speaker 1: I'm curious, and I'm wondering if you are too, why
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Speaker 1: surveillance video of her exactly in that outfit has not
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Speaker 1: been released by Forthood And this is just the tip
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Speaker 1: of the iceberg. Well, you know what, Nancy, that's a
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Speaker 1: that's a good question. But they did not have surveillance. Uh,
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Speaker 1: you know, everybody was kind of beating the military up
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Speaker 1: in the beginning, and still today there was no surveillance.
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Speaker 1: She actually was not supposed to work that they and
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Speaker 1: then she got called in the work, which there's a
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Speaker 1: big question mark why why that happened? So when when
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Speaker 1: she was reportedly last seen us, there is a lot
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Speaker 1: of discrepancy in that whether she really was last seen
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Speaker 1: or not. Now this is that actually the fifth time
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Speaker 1: that we've been up here, and and you know, in
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Speaker 1: a perfect world, we're going to have surveillance cameras. In
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Speaker 1: the perfect world, somebody seeing something's going to come forward,
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Speaker 1: and unfortunately we don't live at that perfect world. We
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Speaker 1: somebody finally did come forward. They thought that they saw something,
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Speaker 1: and as we know, nancy to go ahead and get
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Speaker 1: to phone records and credit card records and things like that,
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Speaker 1: we have to have a judge go ahead and signed,
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Speaker 1: and there's got to be reasons for them to sign,
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Speaker 1: and we can't go deep in the investigation. But you know,
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Speaker 1: somebody did come forward, they thought they saw something. It
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Speaker 1: was very credible information, so then they could go ahead
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Speaker 1: and get the pen on some things. And that's what
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Speaker 1: actually put us out there by the Leon River where
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Speaker 1: we were searching. I'm not going to say what we
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Speaker 1: found out there. Of course, we did not find her.
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Speaker 1: We didn't find her in the search continues, but we
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Speaker 1: certainly found things that appear to be evidence that was
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Speaker 1: taken in and literally being processed as we speak. I
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Speaker 1: think that we're getting closer. I feel as if some
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Speaker 1: things are going to break In defense to the military,
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Speaker 1: of course, they really did not have anything to go on,
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Speaker 1: and again as if somebody would have came forward earlier,
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Speaker 1: we probably would not be here today. But now, of
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Speaker 1: course we got to work with what we have. You're
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Speaker 1: so right about that to Millerne, as you said to
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Speaker 1: start with, it's not always a perfect world. You say
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Speaker 1: there was not surveillance video, but I find it very
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Speaker 1: difficult to believe that there's not somebody manning a yate
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Speaker 1: or a post going in and out of forhood that
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Speaker 1: would have been able to identify Vanessa again if she
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Speaker 1: had left that day Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,
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Speaker 1: we were talking about the disappearance of a gorgeous young
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Speaker 1: girl just twenty years old. She was in small arm
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Speaker 1: machinery repair for some reason, as you just heard, she
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Speaker 1: was not supposed to work that day, but she mysteriously
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Speaker 1: got called in and then goes missing basically before lunchtime
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Speaker 1: is done. One sargeant came forward and said that he
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Speaker 1: saw her, and then later recanted that. Why now we're
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Speaker 1: hearing no surveillance video in the area where she went missing.
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Speaker 1: Who would have known there were no cameras there? Where
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Speaker 1: is twenty year old Vanessa Gain Take a listen now
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Speaker 1: to KCN TV news anchor. Military officials needing your help
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Speaker 1: locating this missing Fort Hood soldier. This is twenty year
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Speaker 1: old Private First Class Vanessa go In. She was lasting
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Speaker 1: Wednesday afternoon and the parking lot of her squadron headquarters
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Speaker 1: on base. Authority say her car, keys, ID card, and
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Speaker 1: wallet were all found in the armory room where she
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Speaker 1: was working earlier in the day. A be on the
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Speaker 1: Lookout or BOLO known as has been issued to surrounding
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Speaker 1: law enforcement and an extensive search is underway. Gillian is
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Speaker 1: by foot two, one hundred and twenty six pounds and
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Speaker 1: was last seen wearing a black shirt. Anyone with information
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Speaker 1: on her whereabouts should call military police. Did Jim Elliott,
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Speaker 1: attorney with Butler Snow, legal counsel for multiple municipalities. Jim Elliott,
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Speaker 1: You earlier heard Tim Miller for Texas Equisearch state that
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Speaker 1: there was not really enough evidence for PC probable cause
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Speaker 1: to get cell phone records, credit card ATM and so forth.
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Speaker 1: I completely disagree. The family has repeated over and over
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Speaker 1: that she would not have left without telling them. There's
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Speaker 1: no sign, hide her hair off, her her cell phone,
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Speaker 1: her car keys, her up, her car keys, her ID
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Speaker 1: card and her wallet, not cell phone. We're all found
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Speaker 1: in the armory room where she had been king that day,
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Speaker 1: but she's not seen since lunchtime. If you were going
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Speaker 1: to go on a walk about or disappear off with
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Speaker 1: your boyfriend, let's say, on your own, you wouldn't leave
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Speaker 1: in the middle of a work day. She had been
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Speaker 1: called into work. If you were going to leave and
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Speaker 1: didn't want anyone to find you, you would leave after work,
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Speaker 1: not just go a wall at work. So what does
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Speaker 1: it take to get a subpoena ducas teak in a
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Speaker 1: subpoena for documents for instance, cell phone wreckers, triangulation, that
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Speaker 1: sort of evidence we really need. What do you have
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Speaker 1: to do, Jim Elliott? Well, you know what you have
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Speaker 1: here is kind of an interesting mix of jurisdictions because
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Speaker 1: you have a local police and then you have of
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Speaker 1: course the federal property and the right of the military
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Speaker 1: police to control the matter. So that probably played a role, frankly,
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Speaker 1: and hesitation to move forward, be specific, be blunt with me,
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Speaker 1: what do you mean it probably played a role? What
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Speaker 1: probably played a role in what the local police probably
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Speaker 1: were hesitant to exert jurisdiction because of the role of
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Speaker 1: the Milton police and the federal government well, in other words,
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Speaker 1: they're stepping on their own. Let me just say belt
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Speaker 1: take a listen now to ABC thirteen Houston News reporter
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Speaker 1: Steve Campbell. Vanessa Gain's sister says the missing soldiers parents
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Speaker 1: keep pleading for information, praying for a miracle. The Army
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Speaker 1: is battling back, rowing criticism and outrage on social media
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Speaker 1: that they're not doing enough to find one of their own.
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Speaker 1: The Army released photos saying they show soldiers searching Forthood
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Speaker 1: for any sign in the missing twenty year old. A
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Speaker 1: sergeant said in a news release, quote, no one really
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Speaker 1: understands how much we're searching. I hope we can find her.
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Speaker 1: And as much as I know America has faith in
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Speaker 1: us to protect this country and to fight for our nation,
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Speaker 1: I feel like they should have faith in us to
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Speaker 1: know that we are doing everything possible to find her.
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Speaker 1: End quote. Texas Equisearch told us they'll be back in
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Speaker 1: Clean next week helping the military. The news comes just
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Speaker 1: a day after the Army says they're launching an investigation
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Speaker 1: into allegations Gian was sexually harassed on base prior to
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Speaker 1: her disappearance. It's hard because if it happened inside the
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Speaker 1: military base, it has to be someone that had access
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Speaker 1: to get inside. Every time that I come, I get fingerprinted,
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Speaker 1: picture taken, everything, driver's license checked, everything, so I'm allowed in.
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Speaker 1: You're hearing the voice of Vanessa's sister Myra, just to
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Speaker 1: get on base to see her sister. Now keep this
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Speaker 1: in mind, the sister Vanessa who's missing, is at the
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Speaker 1: army base Furthood. The family lives a couple of hours away, Jackie.
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Speaker 1: If you could remind me how far away they live,
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Speaker 1: like an hour and a half, two hours away, and
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Speaker 1: Vanessa would come home every weekend to see her family
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Speaker 1: and her boyfriend. And let me tell you right up front,
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Speaker 1: the boyfriend has been placed in a different city at
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Speaker 1: the time Vanessa goes missing. That's the first place you
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Speaker 1: always look. So if the sister has to go through
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Speaker 1: that in order to get on base, that tells me
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Speaker 1: some stranger didn't look on the base and snatch Vanessa.
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Speaker 1: Now straight back out to Olivia Levada k x x VTV.
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Speaker 1: What can you tell me about these sex harassment complaints
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Speaker 1: one that she Vanessa spoke of just before she goes missing. Yes, so,
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Speaker 1: from my understanding, from what I've been told. A few
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Speaker 1: weeks before she went missing, she shared with several sexual
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Speaker 1: harassment encounters. What I was told is there was one
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Speaker 1: instance where a sergeant walked in on Vanessa when she
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Speaker 1: was showering, and she felt very uncomfortable about that. Another
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Speaker 1: example that's been shared by the family is that a
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Speaker 1: sergeant was saying something inappropriate in Spanish to Vanessa. And
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Speaker 1: they've also shared that a sergeant a sergeant had been
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Speaker 1: following her when she ran and as she exercised. Okay,
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Speaker 1: right there, Chloe Sier thirty six years Seattle, p. D.
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Speaker 1: Twenty two of that on homicide. You got a guy
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Speaker 1: allegedly following you when you jog. I mean, hello, that's
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Speaker 1: like a red flag being waved right in her face,
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Speaker 1: is Floyd? Yeah, sure, you know, And that'd be it
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Speaker 1: shouldn't be that difficult to identify this guy and find
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Speaker 1: out where he was and check his alibi and zero
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Speaker 1: down on him. Who knows if they've done that, but
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Speaker 1: he's obviously the first place to check. After year, right,
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Speaker 1: the boyfriend would be the first place. Not so much
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Speaker 1: on a military basis, he's not military. His access as
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Speaker 1: a problem. So the first thing you got to know
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Speaker 1: is the guy who did this is probably military and
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Speaker 1: go from there and this is the first place you look.
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Speaker 1: Yeahs again in defense of the army. Fort Hood is
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Speaker 1: about two hundred fourteen thousand acres, so that's a huge
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Speaker 1: area to search. Jackie's telling me the family is in Houston,
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Speaker 1: about three hours away, so it's my understanding Vanessa would
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Speaker 1: go home on weekends. Very curious the way this whole
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Speaker 1: thing is playing out. Joining me right now is are
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Speaker 1: announce psychiatrist in the Atlanta jurisdiction, Doctor Angela Arnold. Doctor Angela,
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Speaker 1: do you know the vast majority of women that are
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Speaker 1: sex harassed at work never say a word? Why is that?
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Speaker 1: Doctor Angela? I believe it's for the exact reason that
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Speaker 1: Vanessa said a word. They're they're fearful for their job.
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Speaker 1: Who's how do they know how that is going to
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Speaker 1: be taken? And it's it goes on. I'm sorry, you're
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Speaker 1: cutting out on me. Could you repeat that place? It
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Speaker 1: goes on all the time, Nancy. I have patience come
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Speaker 1: to my office. I have all different kinds of patients
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Speaker 1: that come and see me, and they talk to me
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Speaker 1: about the sexual harassment all the time. And how there
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Speaker 1: is absolutely no one that they can talk to about
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Speaker 1: that because they fear for their job. Or let's say,
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Speaker 1: if you are in a position just let's just pretend
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Speaker 1: as a prosecutor and you get sex harassed by let's
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Speaker 1: just say a judge, what are you going to do?
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Speaker 1: Jeopardize your case and let the victims down cause the mistrial,
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Speaker 1: I mean there are put yourself and yeah, and whatever
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Speaker 1: judge would want you put yourself in Vanessa's shoes if
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Speaker 1: she was being if she were being sex harassed at
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Speaker 1: work and she complained, would it ruin her career in
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Speaker 1: the army, which she had always wanted to do. She
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Speaker 1: had always wanted to be in the Army. Crime Stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace, we were talking about the disappearance of
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Speaker 1: a beautiful twenty year old young woman whose future was
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Speaker 1: bright within the Army. Now her family is begging to
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Speaker 1: help find her. For us to help find her, the
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Speaker 1: tip line is two five four four nine to five
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Speaker 1: seven seven six seven repeat two five four four nine
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Speaker 1: five seven seven six seven. Now that is for the
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Speaker 1: Army CID. I want to give you another number. This
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Speaker 1: is for the League of United Latin American Citizens two
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Speaker 1: one four nine four one eighty three hundred two one
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Speaker 1: four nine four one eighty three hundred. Won't you help us?
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Speaker 1: Please find Vanessa. I've spoken at length with her sister,
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Speaker 1: who was often too straught to even speak of it. Guys,
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Speaker 1: I find it very difficult to believe that there's no
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Speaker 1: connection between Vanessa discussing sex harassment at work and then
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Speaker 1: suddenly she goes missing. Take a listen to KHOU eleven's
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Speaker 1: reporter David Gonzalez. The twenty year old soldier was last
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Speaker 1: seen on April twenty second. Her cell phone has not
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Speaker 1: been found, but the rest of her belongings were found
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Speaker 1: on the post. Vanessa's family claims she disappeared after telling
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Speaker 1: them she had been sexually assaulted. Congresswoman Sylvia Garcia joined
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Speaker 1: them in a call for action. We need to get
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Speaker 1: to the bottom of this. We need to make sure
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Speaker 1: that we look at every single complaint, every single allegation
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Speaker 1: that is being made in this case. Outside of wourhood,
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Speaker 1: supporters continue to hold vigils and protest, demanding answers. There's
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Speaker 1: the same in the military. We leave no soldier behind.
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Speaker 1: We cannot leave Vanessa behind. We cannot leave her family line.
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Speaker 1: They all want to see a more transparent investigation. Vanessa's
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Speaker 1: family says all the chaps high school grad wanted to
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Speaker 1: do was served this country this past June tenth. It's
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Speaker 1: been two years that she's been serving for our country,
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Speaker 1: and I just don't find it fair that they, whoever
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Speaker 1: this is, took advantage of her circuit liberty away joining
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Speaker 1: me Olivia Leveta k xx VTV reporter Olivia, I'm very
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Speaker 1: curious as to the entry exit point of Fort Hood.
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Speaker 1: Is there surveillance video there? And is there a gate
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Speaker 1: that is armed? Is somebody there? So I have gone
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Speaker 1: on to Forthood to do several stories. As we mentioned earlier,
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Speaker 1: it's not easy to access Forthood. Forth Hood has several
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Speaker 1: exits and entries, several gates. There's also there's always armed
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Speaker 1: guards at the gate. When I go to Forthood, I
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Speaker 1: have to be escorted onto the military post. They have
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Speaker 1: to check your ID. So, like I said, several entrances
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Speaker 1: and exit and there they are all armed and guarded.
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Speaker 1: So how the hey would Vanessa have gotten off the
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Speaker 1: base and nobody noticed if every exit is covered by
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Speaker 1: an armed guard. Straight back out to our friend Tim
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Speaker 1: Miller with Texas equisearch. What about that, Tim, If she
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Speaker 1: is off that base, how did she get off with
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Speaker 1: nobody seeing her? Well, you know what, you can drive
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Speaker 1: off that base with nobody seeing you. You are not
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Speaker 1: checked when you go off that base. I've been on
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Speaker 1: that base many many times. No, you can drive off
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Speaker 1: that base. Driving back on the base, then you got
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Speaker 1: to show your visitors pass or your military ID. But no,
22:51
Speaker 1: I feel as over the spot that she went off
22:54
Speaker 1: of the base. We went off that exit several times,
22:59
Speaker 1: and no, you were not when you drive out nobody.
23:03
Speaker 1: That's a critical piece of the puzzles. You're checked when
23:06
Speaker 1: you come in, but not when you leave. Let me
23:08
Speaker 1: ask you this is that your experience Olivia, Levada, where
23:11
Speaker 1: you checked when you left? Yes, I agree with him
23:14
Speaker 1: you basically, when I leave, I am not escorted off
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Speaker 1: of courthood. So she could have left without anyone noticing
23:22
Speaker 1: whether she was in the front seat of a car
23:24
Speaker 1: or the backseat or in the trunk of a car.
23:27
Speaker 1: Let me go back to you, Tim Miller, Texas equa search.
23:30
Speaker 1: You are searching. You have been searching a body of water.
23:35
Speaker 1: What led you there? Well, you know there's things again
23:39
Speaker 1: in the investigation that literally just popped up where they
23:42
Speaker 1: could go ahead and get some subpoenas and search wants
23:45
Speaker 1: and stuff that led us there. Now we do know
23:48
Speaker 1: where Vanessa's phone ended up. I mean the area her
23:53
Speaker 1: phone has not been located. But yeah, the military jumped
23:58
Speaker 1: on that immediately. We know the area that the phone
24:01
Speaker 1: went dead, and I can say that area where the
24:03
Speaker 1: phone went dead is very very close to where Now
24:06
Speaker 1: wait a minute, wait a minute, hold on just a second.
24:09
Speaker 1: Because we first had reports that her phone had the
24:14
Speaker 1: Army told the sister her phone pained in Belton, a
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Speaker 1: twenty minute drive from Fort Hood. But then the sister
24:21
Speaker 1: Myra told me she was advised that was incorrect, that
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Speaker 1: the phone did not paying in Belton. So I hope
24:28
Speaker 1: that's not what you're talking about now, that that actually
24:31
Speaker 1: was a false paying Nancy, when they pained the phone,
24:36
Speaker 1: that was a false one. The phone actually went dead.
24:39
Speaker 1: We know what time the phone went dead that day
24:42
Speaker 1: that she did disappear, very very close to where she
24:45
Speaker 1: would last see and White. You just said her phone
24:51
Speaker 1: went dead that day, very close to where she was
24:55
Speaker 1: last seen. Did I understand that correctly? You understood that
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Speaker 1: her phone goes dead the day she goes missing in
25:03
Speaker 1: that parking lot at Fort Hood? Is that right? That
25:06
Speaker 1: is correct? And now if the phone is turned off,
25:11
Speaker 1: believe it or not, they can still preck that phone.
25:14
Speaker 1: The only way the phone would have win dead that
25:18
Speaker 1: quick is probably if it was thrown in water. So
25:22
Speaker 1: we feel as though that is very strong possibility. There's
25:25
Speaker 1: a bird bath lake that is right there. We actually
25:28
Speaker 1: so and are that. We've done extensive searches for her phone.
25:32
Speaker 1: The phone has not shown up. But when I was
25:34
Speaker 1: sownar in that lake, it has such a grassy bottom
25:38
Speaker 1: and everything would be nearly impossible to fight to located.
25:42
Speaker 1: I'm hearing two different things, Tim Miller from Equasearch, and
25:47
Speaker 1: I think both of what I'm hearing from you are true.
25:50
Speaker 1: It's just that I don't understand it. We were told
25:55
Speaker 1: she was last seeing a parking lot there at Fort Hood,
25:57
Speaker 1: near the armory where she worked. Correct. Now you're saying
26:03
Speaker 1: that you searched the area where she was last seen
26:07
Speaker 1: and that was near water. Those two don't fit together.
26:12
Speaker 1: Are you telling me there was a search there was
26:14
Speaker 1: a spotting of her near the water after she was
26:18
Speaker 1: in the parking lot. Possibly her phone was thrown in
26:22
Speaker 1: the water, and that's where it went dead. That's why
26:24
Speaker 1: the last pin was so close right there to where
26:27
Speaker 1: she was working. Is the water near where she was working? Yes, ma'am.
26:32
Speaker 1: How close? Oh eight some a mile? Oh okay, Now
26:36
Speaker 1: now now I'm understanding what you're saying. I thought you
26:38
Speaker 1: met the phone was in the parking lot somewhere, but
26:42
Speaker 1: you're saying she was last saying we think in that
26:45
Speaker 1: parking lot, although that sergeant then recanted that and her
26:49
Speaker 1: phone pained near the water. Yeah, well, and near the
26:54
Speaker 1: water is near the armory. Yeah, So whether that phone
26:59
Speaker 1: was thrown in that water or not, we don't know. Uh,
27:03
Speaker 1: you know, from the from where it was last thing
27:07
Speaker 1: than where it went dead. We felt as though, and
27:11
Speaker 1: everybody fell as though that strong possibility was put in water.
27:14
Speaker 1: That's why it immediately died and there could couldn't get
27:18
Speaker 1: out into Can you tell us the phone was turned
27:21
Speaker 1: off or if it just went dead? Can they tell that? Yeah,
27:25
Speaker 1: they can tell that. And if the phone was just
27:27
Speaker 1: turned off, it would still get power reports if the
27:31
Speaker 1: phone was traveling. But the phone went immediately dead, and
27:36
Speaker 1: that's why they feel as though that phone was thrown
27:39
Speaker 1: in in some water to immediately kill it Crime Stories
27:53
Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. Guys, we are talking about the disappearance
27:57
Speaker 1: of a twenty year old private first class in the
28:00
Speaker 1: Army of Vanessa Again and a lot of mystery is
28:04
Speaker 1: shrouding the facts around her disappearance. We believe she went
28:10
Speaker 1: missing there at work, called him mysteriously on a day
28:13
Speaker 1: off at Fort Hood. This is just days after revealing
28:17
Speaker 1: she had been sex harrassed multiple times within the Army.
28:22
Speaker 1: Now the case has gained the attention of the beautiful
28:26
Speaker 1: and talented Salmahayak. Take a listen. It's been almost two
28:31
Speaker 1: months since Vaness again has been heard from or seen,
28:35
Speaker 1: and her family has continued to push for answers. But
28:37
Speaker 1: this week it seems there's been a new energy brought
28:40
Speaker 1: to her case. Salmahayak posted about the missing Fort Hood
28:44
Speaker 1: soldier twice in twenty four hours, and that's major because
28:48
Speaker 1: she has fifteen million people who follow her, which really
28:52
Speaker 1: increases the visibility on this case. And then this last
28:55
Speaker 1: night in Colleen, a rally held with hundreds of people
28:58
Speaker 1: chanting her name, wearing shirt with her face on it.
29:05
Speaker 1: This is just such a mystery to Guin's family. They
29:08
Speaker 1: say this isn't like her at all. She hasn't been
29:11
Speaker 1: seen or heard from since April twenty second. All of
29:14
Speaker 1: her things were found in the armory where she was working,
29:17
Speaker 1: except for her cell phone. Her family says she was
29:20
Speaker 1: having a problem with someone else at Fort Hood before
29:23
Speaker 1: her disappearance. They are keeping hope that the twenty year
29:26
Speaker 1: old Houston native is still alive. Let me give you
29:30
Speaker 1: the tip lines again. Army CID two five four four
29:34
Speaker 1: nine five seven seven sixty seven. Possibly a better number
29:40
Speaker 1: is LULAC League of United Latin American Citizens two one
29:44
Speaker 1: four nine one four eighty three hundred repeat two one
29:48
Speaker 1: four nine four one eighty three hundred. Not only has
29:54
Speaker 1: some hyatt joined in the effort to find Vanessa take
30:00
Speaker 1: a listen at you. ABC thirteen Houston reporter Steve Campion.
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Speaker 1: Congresswoman Sylvia Garcia is now involved after family said Vanessa
30:08
Speaker 1: expressed being sexually harassed prior to her disappearance. The military
30:12
Speaker 1: says they've received no credible information about those allegations. A
30:17
Speaker 1: spokesperson told us in a statement, quote, we are completely
30:20
Speaker 1: committed to finding Vanessa and aggressively going after every single
30:24
Speaker 1: piece of credible information and every lead in this investigation.
30:28
Speaker 1: We will not stop until we find Vanessa. End quote.
30:31
Speaker 1: Today we learned Texas Equisearch founder Tim Miller plans to
30:34
Speaker 1: return to Fort Hood as they hope to help in
30:37
Speaker 1: search efforts. Would I suggested wild play was probably involved
30:41
Speaker 1: in you know, my experience, and I'm gonna say yes,
30:45
Speaker 1: I mean that, this is certainly shoutnut. I suspect that.
30:49
Speaker 1: I think everybody else that's been involved suspects that. But again,
30:54
Speaker 1: investigator as keeping it closer, their rest and the outrage,
31:00
Speaker 1: the growing concern seems to be only mounting by the day.
31:03
Speaker 1: Her family plans to go to Ford Hood on Thursday. Again,
31:07
Speaker 1: the reward is now over fifty thousand dollars for information
31:12
Speaker 1: about Vanessa. As a matter of fact, it's fifty thousand
31:15
Speaker 1: dollars and growing. And then, to further muddy the water,
31:22
Speaker 1: we find out that remains are found near Fort Hood
31:25
Speaker 1: Army Base and they are another young person, another young
31:31
Speaker 1: service person in their twenties. To Olivia Leveda k xx VTV, Wow,
31:38
Speaker 1: that's quite the coinkie. Inc that a nobody at Fort
31:43
Speaker 1: Hood seems to know anything about Vanessa Gin's sex harassment concerns.
31:49
Speaker 1: And to another body, of a missing person pops up
31:54
Speaker 1: at Fort Hood. Wow, that's certainly something, isn't it. What
31:58
Speaker 1: can you tell me about the remains found? So the
32:02
Speaker 1: remains were found this past Friday, CID, the US Army
32:08
Speaker 1: CID received the tip about a body in a field
32:13
Speaker 1: just a couple of miles away from Courthood and Friday
32:19
Speaker 1: night we were all there was a lot of speculation
32:21
Speaker 1: on who that person could be. We knew the Army
32:24
Speaker 1: was involved. I also knew that there were two missing soldiers.
32:29
Speaker 1: Vanessa Gean has been you know, taking headlines and things
32:32
Speaker 1: like that. But we've also been looking for private second
32:36
Speaker 1: class Gregory Morales since August twenty nineteen, and it was
32:42
Speaker 1: later confirmed that it was him after almost a year
32:47
Speaker 1: of him being missing. In him just vanishing from Kaleen,
32:52
Speaker 1: which is the city right outside Courthood. Now that's why
32:55
Speaker 1: understanding that this young man was last seen driving his
32:58
Speaker 1: own vehicle, find it very difficult to understand. Why did
33:02
Speaker 1: he just happen to turn up body only in a
33:05
Speaker 1: field about a mile away from Fort Hood? Where was
33:08
Speaker 1: his car? What happened to him? And isn't it true
33:11
Speaker 1: he had issues and he was about to be discharged
33:14
Speaker 1: from the Army. Correct, Yes, this is this is true.
33:18
Speaker 1: He was just days away from being discharged, and you're
33:24
Speaker 1: exactly right. He was last seen driving his car in Kaleen.
33:28
Speaker 1: I know that there wasn't a reward for information leading
33:35
Speaker 1: to his whereabouts until recently, so I'm not sure if
33:40
Speaker 1: that had something to do with the tip coming in,
33:43
Speaker 1: But like I said, we've been covering stories on him
33:47
Speaker 1: for months. To Chloyd Steiger thirty six years Seattle, PD. Cloyd.
33:52
Speaker 1: So you've got two young service people, very young in
33:56
Speaker 1: their early twenties. One is about to be discharged, very curious.
34:00
Speaker 1: Why had he made some sort of a complaint about
34:04
Speaker 1: something that was happening. Was he having an issue at
34:07
Speaker 1: Fort Hood? And then you have Vanessa Gian who is
34:11
Speaker 1: having is being sex harassed. According to her, I have
34:16
Speaker 1: no reason to disbelieve her, and now she goes missing.
34:19
Speaker 1: That's quite the coincidence, Cloyd Stiger. It is although Fort
34:24
Speaker 1: Hood is a very big base with a lot of
34:26
Speaker 1: people there, and you know that I lived there Fort Louis, Washington,
34:28
Speaker 1: which is a comporablie sized space, and things like that
34:32
Speaker 1: happened here too. People go missing and vanish without a
34:36
Speaker 1: trace or their bodies are found, Yeah, pretty regular, but yeah,
34:40
Speaker 1: I mean individually. Yeah, it's a big thing, just like
34:44
Speaker 1: any big city. It is a big city, so of
34:46
Speaker 1: all the people who live there and things happen, and
34:48
Speaker 1: maybe they're related, but maybe they're not. That's true. They
34:51
Speaker 1: can't be lumped together. But to me, that's a big
34:55
Speaker 1: red flag too, Doctor Angela. Arnold Kaiser's joining us from
35:00
Speaker 1: the Atlanta jurisdiction, Doctor Angela. The army is saying they
35:04
Speaker 1: knew nothing about the sex harassment complaints. What do you
35:08
Speaker 1: make of that? I mean, that could be true. I'm
35:11
Speaker 1: not sure that I buy it. Well, I don't buy it.
35:14
Speaker 1: She made a complaint. How could they not know about it?
35:18
Speaker 1: So did they cover it up from the room beginning?
35:20
Speaker 1: She did not make a formal complaint, doctor Angela. She could.
35:25
Speaker 1: I know where you're getting that. She complained to her family.
35:29
Speaker 1: She did not con file a formal complaint because she
35:33
Speaker 1: was afraid it would ruin her army career should be over.
35:40
Speaker 1: And she's probably right, and I believe she was very
35:43
Speaker 1: afraid that she because she never mentioned the person's name,
35:47
Speaker 1: did she? I do know that she mentioned to her
35:50
Speaker 1: family the name of a fellow officer that burst in
35:53
Speaker 1: on her while she was taking a shower. But I
35:56
Speaker 1: think that there were other issues, other sex harass complaints
36:01
Speaker 1: that were happening to her, either with a co worker
36:05
Speaker 1: or a superior there at fort Hood. So to Jim
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Speaker 1: Elliott attorney, Butler snow joining us, isn't it true? Although
36:15
Speaker 1: the law says it, there's not supposed to be retaliation
36:19
Speaker 1: once you file a sex harrassment complaint, very often there
36:23
Speaker 1: is retaliation. Isn't that true? Absolutely? And I you know
36:26
Speaker 1: that happens a lot of that is so earlier to
36:29
Speaker 1: your guess earlier comment about why women, I guess others
36:34
Speaker 1: don't bring those because they know they will be in
36:36
Speaker 1: that effect their career. You think, anty, I'll say, I
36:40
Speaker 1: mean to me, gosh, murdering someone in retaliation for sexual
36:45
Speaker 1: harassment allegation seems ridiculous. But let's think about the other
36:49
Speaker 1: person that would ruin their career as well, ruin their career,
36:53
Speaker 1: ruin their relationship with their why or girlfriend, that they
36:57
Speaker 1: have one even number of things, any number of repercussions. Guys,
37:02
Speaker 1: we joined the search for Vanessa gain two one four
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Speaker 1: nine four one eighty three hundred. Nancy Grays crime story,
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Speaker 1: signing off goodbye friend,