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Random Heathen Ramblings: S3, EP45 - Season Finale · Random Heathen Ramblings

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  Ln. Hello everyone.
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  Hey Len. Welcome to the season 3 finale,
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  the final episode of season, 3 of the random even ramblings
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  Thank you so much for being an ongoing supporter.
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  Got some special guests coming in here in just a moment.
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  Some of whom you have met before in either previous episodes or
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  just through you know, Association through other
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  platforms of Content. But I'm not gonna waste any time
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  and bringing them on here because they deserve to
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  introduce themselves. Like I said, Latias have Been
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  introduced before. So let's just go ahead and get
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  If you haven't yet, favorite, this podcast.
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  Subscribe to this channel. Do all the things that, you
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  appreciate all of your support. And let's go ahead and bring in
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  some of our guests for today's show, the final show the final
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  episode of season, 3 of the random even Raymond's podcast.
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  All right, folks, as I mentioned in the intro, we've got some
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  guests joining us today and some of these faces might ring a
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  bell. They may look familiar for you.
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  Going to go ahead and start with a fellow who I've been friends
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  with. Now for last few years, I've met
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  him through some fireside chat, Facebook groups, and some really
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  fun, really Fox, even related. Topics of discussion.
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  His name is Richard. So Richard, go ahead and
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  introduce yourself. I'm Richard Isler for customer.
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  He said Mission, I run a fireside chat on Facebook group
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  by weekly chat for heathens. Also my ordained Goethe and my
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  trade, I'm an industrial electrician.
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  Right on? And you're in the Kentucky area,
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  right? Or yes.
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  Yes, state of Kentucky, and you got this great like, I don't
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  know. Wizard.
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  Lee look going on about yourself.
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  That's pretty cool too. So yeah, thanks for joining your
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  first time participant in the a podcast.
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  I know you've been catching the show for a while now and like I
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  say we've been friends for a good bit, so I appreciate you
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  making yourself available and wanting to be a part of this.
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  So, yeah, good to have you. Next, I'm going to introduce
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  another new guest on the show who's been listening for some
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  time. And I made it kind of like a
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  public post here recently on my social media, friends list and
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  ask for some anyone that was interested to come on here for
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  the season 3 finale. And we got Brian here from Ohio.
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  So welcome to the show. Brian.
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  Fur color long time list of it. True.
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  I've learned a lot. You know, just outside Toledo
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  Ohio and I'm more inner. We're getting like yeah hold on
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  hold on a second Brian. We're getting a lot of feedback
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  on your side. There's like it's cutting in and
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  out. I don't know if it's a device
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  thing. Let's let's let's start over.
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  So Brian, go ahead. Okay.
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  Now you're taught now, you're totally silent.
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  Let me I'm going to move on. I'm going to move on to a couple
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  of others. You do the same thing that
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  happened before and i'll--. I'll we'll get this all sorted
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  out. So next next we'll come back to
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  you Brian, we'll get through that but we're going to talk to
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  Josh from scold are met or there's a there's a an intro
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  song at the at the beginning of my podcast every episode on
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  which is named after Are my channel midgard musings and it
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  was written by this guy so welcome to the show.
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  Josh, hey man, thanks for having me back on.
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  It's always a pleasure to chat with you Frank.
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  Yeah, it's in. It's always great to have you.
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  You've you've been on this podcast.
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  I don't remember exactly when it was but it was we were talking
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  about your father of the Wolves gotta know what you call it like
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  Outdoors guide or something. It's like yeah, I'll doors
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  toward God. Go back with nature as it should
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  be. So, yeah, you've been here on
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  this podcast for at least once before that, I can think of, and
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  you've been a longtime friend, we met in person, you know,
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  years ago when you were doing some bands, like black, metal
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  death, metal type stuff and now you're doing the school board
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  met or Nordic folk or whatever. I guess that would be the right
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  category. Also storytelling a big tiger
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  that's good. Having you on once again welcome
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  back to the Ryan. Can you hear us?
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  Yeah, I'm not hearing you Brian. Can you try one more time?
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  How about now can you hear me at all?
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  There we go. There we go.
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  Yes. Okay.
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  All right. Technology is wonderful, isn't
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  it? I hear you, man.
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  It's, it's, it's one of those great things to deal with.
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  But yeah, so you sound great and I'll turn it over to you to just
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  reintroduce yourself. Now that everybody can hear you.
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  So about the technical difficulties For most several
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  years now but just things that I don't.
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  With me, other learn in and and floor the hardened not free
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  Drew. Think of young and Brian, I'm
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  going to pause you there for a second buddy because I know
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  you're getting into stuff and it's and it's cutting in and out
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  real real bad again, not sure. Why is it?
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  It's not just me, right? Because everybody else having a
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  good time. I know.
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  It's cutting out sir. Okay okay.
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  Yeah I don't know man. I hate that.
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  It's like your every other word is is cutting in and out and
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  it's just like it's almost like a bad connection on your end.
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  Let me move up to 22. The final casting will see maybe
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  if it fixes itself along the way.
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  Again, apologies. So our other guest and a
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  longtime friend, a brother of Mine, He's earning my podcast.
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  Several, several times, welcome to the show.
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  Papa Olufsen of yoga teacher Workshop.
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  Thanks for having me on again. It's always a pleasure pleasure.
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  I love coming on and talking on the various topics and different
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  things that you do. It's a it's a great work that
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  you do for the community and midgard musings.
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  A lot of people appreciate it and your voice and your thought
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  and Bob will you give back? But yeah as you said Papa all of
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  a sudden from java to your Workshop here in the Blue Ridge
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  Mountains of Appalachia Carolina, drums, and rattles
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  other primitive. Instruments and rooms and all
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  that good Norse Pagan even type stuff.
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  Yeah, hell, yeah, man. You've actually provided.
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  I did it myself with a number of instruments engine and things
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  that are adorning my space back here.
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  Some of the things that has been introduced on Scogan mayor's
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  project, you know Josh has projects over me or something.
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  I think he's got is that am I correct in saying that you've
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  got some of Papa's instruments on some of your instrumental
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  tracks and stuff? Is that right?
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  Oh that's absolutely mad. I have a few items from him
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  which are my favorites. And then me and hims been in
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  talking of a couple more coming this upcoming year you know man
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  like it's like when it comes to his stuff.
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  It's almost like a potato chip you know you can't have just one
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  EK, it's for or tattoos, you know, you can't stop at just
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  one. It's addictive and it's the good
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  kind of addiction, I think. Oh, absolutely.
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  It's a healthy addiction. Absolutely.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  And it's something that, you know, as when you feed it, it
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  helps out, you know, a small business, a pagan owned and
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  operated business which, of course, you know, we're all for
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  and about, and yeah, I mean, APA stuff has been, I don't know if
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  the listeners and viewers realize this but pop is talents
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  have reached far and wide not just here in the domestic us you
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  know some beep. Some some of you may have heard
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  of This this guy who has a project called done, hi.
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  I'm Dan Haim. Have you want to whatever
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  however, you pronounce it done? Hame and you have, you pop a,
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  you've provided him with an item or two.
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  I believe correct. Maybe maybe not because he just
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  got it in there. He just kind of sitting there
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  thinking about it yet. His pictures, most beautiful.
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  It was it was like he was a he was in deep thought right there.
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  He was like, I'm the did I did? I don't know.
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  Maybe we're just having a great time tonight.
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  Just fighting with technology. This is.
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  Yeah, it keeps me out and We were wondering because like the
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  you know what we could see on the screen is like you were just
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  like you were like this Frozen in time just thinking about what
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  I just said. But I was what I was saying
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  about your who you've provided instruments for not just for
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  here in the US. But you've there's a guy that
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  people are, you know, made may know as down Haim and I believe
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  you've gotten to provide him with a knife.
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  Camera two, right? Yeah.
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  Michael Schafer's got a commemorative drum that I did
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  were just the general work. That he puts together there and
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  and some percussion sticks and But things all over the place.
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  Yeah. So yeah.
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  He's a he's actually a huge inspiration of mine for my
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  project, man. So to know that both of us have
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  an instrument made by you makes me makes me even more happier
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  that now, I've got to give a shout out to another brother of
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  mine. Cody, another Shaffer just felt
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  a little bit different for Elder.
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  Vaak, the yes, the musical project that he's got working.
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  Fantastic. Yeah, a little pieces and he's
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  very talented individual with any piece that he touches.
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  Yeah, that's for sure. Even when it comes to his
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  crafting, you know the all of the wire wrapped gems and stones
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  and things that he does. My wife has a piece that he made
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  that I commissioned him for for her birthday.
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  This year really nice kind of Crescent moon-shaped amethyst
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  stone that he that he did a wonderful job on.
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  So yeah, a big shout-out to Cody.
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  I'd love to get him on the show. I've actually asked him a couple
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  of times and whether it's due to scheduling conflicts or just a
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  He wasn't ready. No just to get out here and talk
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  and stuff which I totally respect and understand.
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  But you know Cody and you know you watching listening to this
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  man I'm I would still love to have you on this show when and
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  if you're ever ready so and if Cody is a listening to this as
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  well you know me and Cody have kind of started having a few
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  conversations here and there a lot and I'm also a huge fan of
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  his project. As you know, there's not many of
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  us Nordic Pagan from America artist.
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  But you know, I'm going to have to drag him out at the state he
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  lives. And we're going to have to do a
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  tour Cody. We're going to get together and
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  do it to her man. That'd be all.
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  That would be, that would be. So we're all here guys, like to
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  some degree to various degrees. I know we were running into some
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  audio and technical things, Richard, I you might be muted.
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  So when and as you're able to say something, just unmute
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  yourself and whatnot, but you This is the, this is the final
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  episode of season, 3 of the random even ramblings podcast
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  and each each year is a season. I know different Productions,
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  divided their episodes and seasons of differently.
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  Lot of them will do it quarterly or you know semi-annually or
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  whatever but I've just run every season of the podcast as a year.
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  So season 1 was the first year that I started doing this and
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  then two and three thereafter. And this, this episode marks 45
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  episodes for the season, which means almost every week for this
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  whole year of 2022. I've, I've produced something
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  in, like, you know, the guests that have come on.
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  Some of you who have, of course, return for this and then new
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  guests and making new friends. You know, it's been a really
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  awesome year and I just want to first of all, thank all the
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  listeners. Thank all the viewers for And a
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  part of this. Because like, Brian for
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  instance, hopefully, your will be able to hear you better
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  throughout the, the podcast because you were one of the ones
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  that share, you know, wanted to kind of introduce a topic as it
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  were for the for the ramblings of tonight, which I think is a
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  great one, you know. But you're as you had mentioned
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  with me offline, was you know, I've been listening for a while
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  and, you know, I think you mentioned first-time, caller
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  longtime listener. But always, I laugh about that
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  all the time because I guess Ivan time.
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  Maybe dating myself but that's you know, when you listen to Old
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  like radio shows Casey Kasem, and yeah, yeah yeah yeah.
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  So I can hear me now is 0. That is that it that is great.
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  Whatever you did. I abandon the laptop and went to
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  the cell phone. That's okay.
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  Okay, cool, awesome yes. Oh you sound great look, great.
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  And so let me let me, let me rewind a bit then and now that
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  you've got a good setup here, introduce yourself please.
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  And for everybody. All right, thanks Jesse.
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  I've been, I've been listening to / watching your podcast since
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  since season one. I think, since the very
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  beginning. If, if I didn't catch you, right
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  when you first started, I shortly thereafter went back to
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  the very beginning. So I'm pretty confident in
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  saying, I've watched them all and I appreciate what you do.
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  It really is, like, like Papa said, it's great for the, for
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  the community of heathens, especially for people.
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  Like me, that are solitary in nature and I'm a solitary
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  practitioner. I've learned a lot mostly from
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  all my my books, you know, there's of vast wealth of
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  knowledge in books on our religion, but I love the Insight
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  that you give, so I appreciate that.
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  Appreciate you man. Thank you for saying such and
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  yeah so you can your you mentioned your solitary
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  practitioner or, you know, you kind of stick to yourself with
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  it. Is it is it just an again?
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  If I'm asking questions that are a bit too personal, you don't
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  care to answer then just say I'm going to, you know, table that
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  or whatever. But is it is it out of choice or
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  just because of the area that you're in.
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  That there's there's less or 20 that you're aware of or that
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  you're aware of other pagans of like mind, you know, it's a
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  little, it's mostly by choice. I belong to several Facebook
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  groups, not several, a couple one, being a in Ohio, Pagan
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  group where I'm at Norse Pagan group and there's plenty out
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  there. There's plenty of us out there
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  especially that are like-minded. The don't distort and manipulate
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  our religion for nefarious purposes.
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  If you know what I mean, and many inclusive groups.
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  I just I'm very driven, I'm very passionate my Here is very
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  important to me. My family is very important to
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  me and I love the community but maybe someday when life settles
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  down a little bit I'll join a kindred or a tribe and actually
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  practice with some other heathens but for now I'm content
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  the way it is. That's great.
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  I like how you said, you know, certain groups that that twist
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  or manipulate things. I recently got told that I
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  twisted the law R22, I forget what the exact words were.
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  But that people had to watch out for what I said because I twist
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  The lure to my own. I don't know benefit or
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  something. I'm like it's stories first of
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  all, it's mythology. How do you know?
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  Whatever. I guess.
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  If I tell the story My in my own way, I give if I give Thor, New
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  York, Brooklyn accent. I guess.
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  I'm twisting the, you know, I guess I'm twisting the Lord.
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  But, you know, there's always a weird.
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  You're also told that your gatekeeping information by
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  providing information. Yeah.
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  And I like it works. But you learn something new
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  about yourself apparently. So there you go, guys.
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  I'm a gatekeeping by providing information on things.
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  So there's a new one for you. Yeah, yeah.
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  Well, some could argue that story, may have manipulated the
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  Lord to so, you know, oh yeah. The biggest one of them.
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  All right, but he's the guy that we were supposed to, you know.
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  Quote-unquote use as a source material.
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  Right? Right.
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  Let's so yeah. I mean, I think, you know, Josh,
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  you're out there in the Kings Mountain area of North Carolina.
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  And, you know, Papa, you're in the Blue Ridge and Richard your
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  You want to Richard. Actually, if you want to unmute
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  and mention your, in Kentucky, we mentioned before, but you've
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  gotten yourself if you have a kindred or sorcerer or at least
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  you did at one point in time. Maybe.
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  Yeah, further than he did. It one time we had some issues I
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  won't get into but right currently got a start of a new
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  one but I also have the Facebook groups.
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  So And which anybody free to join them is all about putting
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  knowledge out there. We don't twist, we put knowledge
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  on had discussions. So if that's your into groups
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  and we have the video chats every other week or try to
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  anyway. You know, my work schedule,
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  which has been crazy here lately.
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  Sure and well, that's all of us, right?
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  I mean like we all have our own separate lives and that's that's
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  one of the things I wanted to just again.
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  Really Thank each of you for because you all have your own
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  lives, we are all in different time zones.
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  And you, you found time to make to come on here and talk about
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  stuff, you know, with me. And then for everybody to listen
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  to and hopefully make it a beneficial thing for those that
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  are, you know, Finding their way and even re and Order paganism
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  in general because we're all, you know, all of us are probably
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  identify if we want to call it as Norse pagans or at least to
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  some degree have that you know. I would eat them at the
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  aesthetic, the approach to how we see the world, Our World
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  Views Echo, similar ways, but we all practice things differently,
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  you know, some of us are maybe a bit more animistic.
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  Some of us are a bit more. I mean, I don't know, just, you
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  know, various ways of doing things but we've at least met on
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  on some common ground and that's a nice thing.
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  I think that, you know, social media offers is it gives people
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  the opportunity to discuss and share ideas, and then if you
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  know it fits it fits. And if It doesn't then the it
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  doesn't have to be, you know, we don't have to feel that you know
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  every Norse Pagan group out here is something we have to be a
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  part of and I for one and pretty select in careful with which
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  ones I joined. Just because again it can
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  consume us, it takes up so it can just take up so much of our
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  time and take our Focus away from what's really important,
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  you know, our hearts, our homes, Our Lives, you know, and I'm the
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  same way. And I'm very selective about the
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  group's, you know, much like, Brian, you know, I'm a little
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  bit of a solitary as well, and you get in some of those groups.
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  And sometimes, I just shake my head at the argument that's
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  happening and, and the bizarreness that's going on in
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  them. And I'm like, you know, this is,
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  it's not why I am the way I am. And I'm here for, you know, he's
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  an respect for, you know, one brother to another its it's some
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  of them get a little out of hand for me to man, so I'm very, very
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  selective in. What is the sorry?
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  Go ahead, good. No, I was just saying, you know
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  and you know, with both my outdoor business surrounded, you
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  know, some Norse paganism and then obviously, you know, my
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  musical project as well. I'd like to be in those groups
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  so that I could share that. But, you know, you always have
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  that one in there, just got something to say and it's like,
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  no matter what, what what is this.
• 24:22
  If you can think of it, probably the most I don't know off the
• 24:26
  wall argument or thing that you were either a part of or that
• 24:30
  you just saw and you go man on this.
• 24:31
  Is it I'm out because it just is there anyone that stands out in
• 24:35
  your mind? Well, for me, it's some of the
• 24:38
  ones I've seen is where, you know, someone's trying to say
• 24:40
  they're more Pagan and another person.
• 24:42
  It's like a man is to each their own and at what level they want
• 24:48
  to go down this path. And so for me to sit there and
• 24:51
  watch someone One, you know, criticize somebody because you
• 24:55
  know they do it differently. I mean it's it just gives me a
• 24:59
  headache and then it disappoints me, you know, a little bit there
• 25:03
  to see it. That's usually when I start
• 25:06
  seeing that in a group, it's just me when I'm like, all
• 25:07
  right, I'm out. You're not taking enough to be
• 25:11
  here or something. Alright, I had a guy recently
• 25:18
  and and I actually kind of like the the the back-and-forth
• 25:21
  engagement that I get from this one.
• 25:22
  Regular fella. I guess it's fella on the
• 25:26
  Facebook Fate on the on the midgard, musings, Facebook page,
• 25:31
  this thing behind me this this Banner behind me.
• 25:35
  He made a comment. He's like you know that's not a
• 25:37
  that that has that at. That's not nor so, right?
• 25:39
  It's sunk so low manic. It's got Solomon, you know,
• 25:46
  Hebrew Kabbalah is Amman and everything.
• 25:50
  I'm like, yeah, I know doesn't matter though.
• 25:52
  It was a gift and it was a gift from a friend and it's been here
• 25:55
  for a long time and it's going to Island by the way.
• 25:57
  I also know that the rooms that are going around, it are out of
• 26:01
  order it a little bit and that there's a blend of both Elder
• 26:04
  younger and Anglo-Saxon rooms on there too.
• 26:06
  So I get it. But what's your point?
• 26:09
  You know, I, you know, right, it's kind of like, I guess into
• 26:13
  whatever degree, you know, it's engagement and that's how I look
• 26:16
  at it from. That's how I look at it from a
• 26:19
  lot of angles is that I'm Getting engagement as a content.
• 26:23
  Creator engagement is is everything.
• 26:26
  So, hey, you know, that any press is good.
• 26:29
  Press I guess if you want to look at it in that sort of way
• 26:32
  and I'm not, you know, I'm not, I'm not out here, trying to bend
• 26:37
  anybody's, you know, approach to heat and rear or paganism.
• 26:41
  To be my version of it. It's just information, sharing
• 26:44
  and knowledge and stuff. And I thought, you know what,
• 26:46
  I'm still learning to and that's what a lot of this is about is
• 26:49
  just sharing of knowledge and getting to learn some things,
• 26:51
  you know. And we have a new, we have it,
• 26:54
  we have it. I'm just going to pause real
• 26:55
  quick because we have a another guest that just joined the
• 26:59
  podcast, we are recording. So this guy here, he's actually
• 27:04
  been on several podcast with me. One of which was while he came
• 27:07
  out to Tennessee to visit from Missouri.
• 27:10
  Welcome to the chat Patrick Walsh, my friend in your ass.
• 27:19
  How's it going? There he is.
• 27:24
  Thanks for joining man. How you feeling?
• 27:27
  Not too bad, just getting ready for the holidays and this
• 27:32
  brutally cold weather, which I know you're very excited about.
• 27:37
  Yeah, well we were just we were all just talking and I'll get
• 27:42
  into introductions and stuff a little bit, you know, after the
• 27:44
  fact as we already kind of got into the meat and potatoes, but
• 27:46
  we got we got Papa all of us in here.
• 27:49
  Got Josh from school, go to my or we've got a new guy guest on
• 27:53
  here is name is Brian. We got Richard Bissell up in
• 27:55
  Kentucky and now we got you. So you know, we got the whole as
• 27:58
  they said when I was a kid. We got the whole family here.
• 28:03
  The whole damn family. Yeah, so it's great.
• 28:08
  That you could join Patrick. You've been.
• 28:11
  I said, a long time supporter of the channel.
• 28:14
  Even before I started doing the podcast, I think you were one of
• 28:16
  the very like, very First few hundred people to subscribe and
• 28:22
  start watching my videos on the YouTube channel and it's great
• 28:25
  that you're still around that you've, you know, come out and
• 28:28
  visited me here in Tennessee and got to be on a podcast in
• 28:31
  person. And now here you are on the
• 28:33
  season 3 finale. So, good to have you back here.
• 28:41
  So we were just talking, just to kind of bring you up to speed
• 28:44
  about practicing Henry having, you know, solitary Roaches to
• 28:49
  hear than re Brian is a guy that's you know chooses to
• 28:53
  practice is self. And you know Josh over here is
• 28:57
  in North Carolina and same thing.
• 28:59
  You know and we all find ourselves that way I think at
• 29:02
  least at some point in time I am fortunate to have a small
• 29:06
  network of people in my area that I've been able to grow
• 29:10
  really close to and with, as an extension of my inner circle, my
• 29:15
  inner Hearth. So they're like family, and from
• 29:17
  that. From those relationships have
• 29:20
  blossomed. The growth of our tribe 30 folk
• 29:23
  people of the Thundering storm. So you know it's a one thing I
• 29:30
  was thinking of is you know with social media.
• 29:32
  It's a lot of the reason why we're all here together on this
• 29:37
  episode is because of social media you know.
• 29:40
  So it definitely has its benefits and if it's leverage
• 29:45
  and properly and you know then officially I think it can work
• 29:49
  Wonders. It Can it can be the start of a
• 29:51
  really good thing for us in our respective spiritual growth or
• 29:57
  our religious growth, you know. Because you know Make those
• 30:00
  friends like you know that way anymore it's you know, used to
• 30:03
  be you would just know the people in your immediate town or
• 30:06
  surrounding areas and now we've got this wild and crazy social
• 30:11
  network networks and we can do stuff like this so it's pretty
• 30:16
  cool. Like that like a virtual Hoff?
• 30:20
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 30:21
  In a way. I like that turn.
• 30:24
  You know the Hoff was a was a central kind of Temple.
• 30:30
  If you want to call it as such in Scandinavia uppsala was one
• 30:34
  that we know of the Heathen Temple or of uppsala old Upsala
• 30:40
  Sweden. And, you know, it was that the
• 30:43
  central Gathering Place for the public to come and honor
• 30:50
  venerate worship their old gods. They Add very specific things
• 30:53
  that were done at certain and specific times in Upsala.
• 30:59
  I think it's Adam of Bremen who? Yeah.
• 31:02
  Documented the nine-year sacrifices.
• 31:05
  And some of the themes that were done up in the net area and what
• 31:09
  it was like which you know, we were kind of talking around and
• 31:13
  about earlier about you know, Source material, you know,
• 31:17
  somebody mentioned snore. I think I might have been you
• 31:19
  Josh or Brian one of his growing mentioned.
• 31:22
  Snorri sturluson, you know, and then and how much people tend to
• 31:27
  try to call him or use him as a source material.
• 31:30
  And I say, you know, one of the one thing that that's, that's
• 31:34
  really wild. I think that, I like to think
• 31:36
  about with history, any kind of historical stuff.
• 31:38
  If you're going to take that kind of an approach has history
• 31:41
  has always been twisted and bent to, you know, make a certain
• 31:48
  like, you know, yeah, there's a historical facts of whatever.
• 31:50
  But the person who documented It is the historian, The Scholar,
• 31:54
  the whoever it was that documented it there.
• 31:56
  They're going to have the sum of their bias leaking to in tell
• 32:01
  ya. So at the end of the day it's
• 32:03
  kind of like why are we even why are we even going that far back?
• 32:10
  Why are we trying to reconstruct at times things that were done
• 32:14
  in ancient times when we're here.
• 32:17
  Now, in modern times, why do we find the need to do that?
• 32:24
  You think anybody can feel free to chime in?
• 32:27
  But it's it was a question that I was asking myself.
• 32:31
  You know, why what what what about the past and Nemours, us
• 32:35
  so much that we want to recreate it or reconstruct it.
• 32:38
  Well, you know, right? I think if I could, I think it
• 32:42
  leads. It gives some people a sense of
• 32:45
  credibility to what they believe, I guess.
• 32:49
  Maybe like like the Bible would to Christians.
• 32:52
  It's it's something that's very, very old that has documentation.
• 32:58
  And but the reality is in our, in our faith, there's there
• 33:02
  really isn't a lot of source material and the source material
• 33:07
  that there is Is can it truly be trusted based on who who wrote
• 33:12
  it when it was written, they're biased and their views.
• 33:17
  And I think that the great thing, one of the things that
• 33:20
  really attracted to me when I was searching for my faith was
• 33:25
  the fact that that Heathen read Norse paganism, whatever you
• 33:29
  want to call it and which is also great because you can refer
• 33:33
  to it in any way you want. Is it largely up to it?
• 33:38
  Reputation of the practitioner how and that's I love it in the
• 33:43
  Facebook groups in the social media when there's arguments of,
• 33:47
  well, this is the way that you should do it and that's the way
• 33:50
  you should do it. Because at the end of the day
• 33:53
  like who who's to say who's right would you know it's not
• 33:58
  like Catholicism where there's rituals and practices that
• 34:03
  everybody does because quite frankly much of what we believe.
• 34:08
  I believe we know was lost to history.
• 34:11
  So credibility, I think is what people search for when they're
• 34:13
  looking back to the past that long ago to support their faith
• 34:20
  and then all of our Social Circles and in social media, and
• 34:25
  these groups in these Pages, it's always pounded Roots, Roots
• 34:29
  Roots, so everybody wants to go back.
• 34:32
  Find those roots, learn about those roots and build up from
• 34:36
  there, but people get caught up in the roots alone and forget
• 34:41
  that. We have to have a trunk.
• 34:43
  You have to have branches and have leaves true.
• 34:46
  Yeah, this is 2022, not 502. Now so even if you are able to
• 34:54
  find out 100 percent through whatever, textual information
• 34:58
  that this is how something was done them, they were living very
• 35:02
  much. Different lives than what we're
• 35:04
  living. Now, we're not out here.
• 35:07
  Farming, and plowing with a stick, we're going to the
• 35:11
  grocery store. Are there ways to honor old ways
• 35:16
  and old traditions? But we have to remember that
• 35:18
  we're leaving now. Yeah.
• 35:26
  Good. I think it's good.
• 35:28
  No, the old sources in the for the foundation.
• 35:33
  But like I said, you know, we are living in 2022.
• 35:35
  So yeah. Bridge, that Gap to so you know
• 35:40
  isn't that's your foundation, how I can Foundation of your
• 35:43
  house. You don't have any foundation is
• 35:45
  going to be very strong you know you need something.
• 35:49
  I mean, I had somebody even say that the way I do, I'm going to
• 35:55
  paraphrase the way they said it. But the, the spirit behind what
• 35:58
  they were saying, was that along the lines of, You Know, the Way
• 36:04
  That the old gods were approached and the way that the
• 36:09
  gods were interacted with, in ancient times, was the way that
• 36:14
  it worked back then, so how can we expect them to be
• 36:18
  approachable? Now unless we're doing it the
• 36:21
  way that it was done back then and not to my, you know, my
• 36:24
  response to that was I find it hard to believe and again,
• 36:28
  there's no there's no way to back this up there.
• 36:30
  Any quote, unquote Source material but I find it hard to
• 36:33
  believe that as Humanity has evolved and has progressed and
• 36:37
  has become more Innovative and whatnot over time.
• 36:39
  That I find it. Very hard to believe that the
• 36:42
  sacred and that the Divine have not done the same thing to some
• 36:46
  degree in their own way. Rightly.
• 36:50
  So sure it might be a bit nostalgic.
• 36:54
  It's kind of like, you know, when you know and we're all
• 36:56
  different age, you know, we come from different Generations
• 36:59
  ourselves here. We got a pretty diverse
• 37:01
  audience, I think as far as our guests and even listeners out
• 37:04
  here, you know, we all come from different backgrounds.
• 37:07
  There's there's things that that will touch our nostalgic parts
• 37:12
  of ourselves, right? Like I was, I was talking to my
• 37:14
  wife last week and I was she was asking about like my Family's
• 37:20
  traditions for celebrating Christmas, which we didn't have
• 37:23
  any because we I was very, very young when they abandoned the
• 37:28
  celebration of Christmas because of religious reasons, right?
• 37:31
  But I have very slight and I have some memories of being a
• 37:34
  very small kid and then, there were some things, I remember
• 37:36
  having a Christmas tree and I remember having this one thing.
• 37:38
  You guys, anybody here, Richard, you might know, Emmett Kelly.
• 37:42
  Anybody here? Remember Emmett Kelly.
• 37:44
  He was a, he was a, he was a performer.
• 37:47
  He was a circus performer and he, he I guess it was a sad
• 37:50
  clown and he was very he, like, kind of was the, the Trailblazer
• 37:54
  for a lot of clown performers and stuff.
• 38:00
  But I remember my dad happened this like figurine, he was about
• 38:04
  two and a half, maybe three foot tall of Emmett, Kelly his nose
• 38:07
  with glow and this and that and it started a.
• 38:11
  It started me going down this memory lane of things that we
• 38:16
  had around the house that were antique and old.
• 38:19
  And then Nostalgia kicked in and I go oh wow, and it really
• 38:21
  touched a certain part of myself that made me happy and made me
• 38:24
  feel, you know, good. And I think maybe that's kind of
• 38:28
  the same thing with, you know, again this is my own gnupg but
• 38:33
  that when you know if you learn Old Norse or if you learn old
• 38:39
  Saxon, some of these all dead languages that aren't spoken
• 38:42
  anymore and you speak to the sacred or you do certain
• 38:45
  ceremonies or rituals in those languages, if it's probably
• 38:49
  Almost like the same thing or something similar for them in a
• 38:52
  way like he's speaking my language.
• 38:53
  Now I remember that from days gone by or wherever and again,
• 38:57
  that's my own U PG. But I think maybe there's
• 38:59
  something to think about with that and maybe again, we there
• 39:03
  there's a part of ourselves that recognizes the how it makes us
• 39:07
  feel. And we Maybe live that part out
• 39:11
  in or ceremonial stuff too. something I've noticed I'm
• 39:17
  sorry, I was going to say I've noticed it's like almost like a
• 39:23
  conditioning believe that we don't have, like, some kind of
• 39:29
  like starting point and practices, you know, somewhat
• 39:33
  did back in the early days that we lose credibility, you know,
• 39:37
  an interesting thing about other things like, you know,
• 39:41
  Christianity and Catholicism is, they have a sacred text and it's
• 39:44
  very Is is created by an old men in power and not release us from
• 39:49
  the swords of divinity or anything like that.
• 39:55
  That's a good point. The yes, quote-unquote sacred
• 39:58
  texts again. It goes back to like, write the
• 40:01
  the bias I mean, People want to, you know, Christians especially
• 40:06
  what the Bible says, what the Bible says.
• 40:08
  Well, the Bible was was written by people who were under the
• 40:11
  Kings threatening, you know what I mean?
• 40:14
  So you pretty much had to do with the King said or else, you
• 40:17
  know what I'm saying? And, you know, you can make the
• 40:20
  argument or they can make the argument that well, it was
• 40:22
  divine inspiration. It was, you know, these these
• 40:25
  holy people who were moved or inspired to speak or write but
• 40:30
  at the end of the day, like well there were certain things that
• 40:32
  we know. No, we're left out of what the
• 40:37
  current publication of the Bible is there's there's books,
• 40:42
  there's a whole entire, you know, series of texts that were
• 40:47
  left out of the original manuscripts.
• 40:50
  Why is that where they less men? Where they were?
• 40:52
  They less inspired with you know?
• 40:55
  Yeah. So I do Hussein Hussein, say
• 41:01
  something next, maybe Papa whoever, I don't know.
• 41:03
  I was going to say something to eat before we come too far away
• 41:06
  from snorri, and I don't mean to sway anybody.
• 41:11
  But in relation to his credibility, John's more you
• 41:14
  wear. A lot of hats and his dog who
• 41:17
  serve a lot of positions and different things.
• 41:22
  But on his credibility and this is a fun story that I learned at
• 41:26
  the It's Nori staffa in Iceland while visiting their the kind of
• 41:32
  guy he was, we hear stories from him, that not a lot of about at
• 41:37
  one point in time, he was serving under a Chieftain there.
• 41:41
  A couple of Ruffians came to town and decided that they
• 41:45
  wanted to marry one of them wanted to marry the chief and
• 41:48
  Slaughter in. This was a problem.
• 41:49
  He didn't want that. So he consults Nori.
• 41:52
  What do I do? And the answer was to put them
• 41:55
  to work. We want this road built through
• 41:57
  town, what's having to do that, if they want to marry your
• 42:00
  daughter and see if it works. And it did, they busted bought
• 42:03
  got it done? Okay, it's time to do it.
• 42:06
  Well, we lost they built the road, they're going to marry my
• 42:11
  daughter. He's going to marry my daughter.
• 42:12
  What do I do? You know, ask them for something
• 42:15
  even more impossible. We want this this cost bring
• 42:19
  this sort of Grotto type thing. We've got it nearby but it needs
• 42:22
  Dugout. Get them in there to did that.
• 42:24
  And then now you've got a road and something that other people
• 42:27
  are going to come to bring business to the table, to get
• 42:30
  some in there to do that didn't think they were going to finish,
• 42:34
  but they did. And he says, now what the guys
• 42:36
  are on their way out, they dug this thing.
• 42:40
  So he takes a big stick and beat them over the head as they're
• 42:44
  coming out of this hole and ends the whole thing and guess who
• 42:49
  marries The Chieftains daughter a short time thereafter snoring.
• 42:55
  He was very about his own, his own rise of his own gain and
• 43:00
  anything that he was doing and he froze, again, whether it be
• 43:10
  the stress that you passed down, where the marriages and he was
• 43:18
  foot but maybe not the most honest.
• 43:22
  Yeah. So there's, you know, I mean,
• 43:26
  who is anymore or who was back in the day, you know what I
• 43:30
  mean? Like there's there's there's a
• 43:32
  weird dichotomy to this whole concept of, you know, honesty
• 43:37
  and honor and all of that. It was a different again,
• 43:43
  different time, 1000 1200 her long years ago, you know, and
• 43:47
  those things meant something different a little bit back
• 43:50
  then. You know, like if it meant that
• 43:51
  you had a lie or Things around for the betterment of your own
• 43:56
  then. Well, then that was good for you
• 43:58
  and it was good for your inner. And there was there was I think
• 44:02
  a an inherent understanding of universes outer.
• 44:05
  You know, there's maybe nothing of particular ancient Origins
• 44:09
  about your daughter yard, but it definitely has, you know,
• 44:14
  Ancient World Views is that, you know, what's within is sacred?
• 44:17
  What's within is order? What's within is lawful what is
• 44:20
  within is good? And what is without is subject
• 44:24
  to To kind of the laws of the Jungle, right, the laws of the
• 44:28
  wild. It's anything goes.
• 44:31
  So there's a problem with reliving that or reconstructing
• 44:37
  that now and today, it's the world's not quite so not, not
• 44:41
  much like that in a lot of ways anymore, there's a lot of Gray
• 44:45
  areas. It seems a lot more complicated
• 44:49
  patients to. Hmm.
• 44:51
  Yeah, these are different. If you live in an apartment
• 44:54
  building or an apartment complex, you have no say in who
• 44:57
  becomes your next door neighbor. Whereas back then you knew
• 45:01
  exactly who your next door neighbor was because, you know,
• 45:03
  their family for generations and generations.
• 45:07
  They were either. Almost land was entrust to your
• 45:10
  neighbor. As now, your neighbor is more
• 45:12
  stranger. Yeah.
• 45:15
  Yeah, Terry Turner he's different but in a gar Gar right
• 45:24
  now that kind of has a neat segue into a topic that Brian
• 45:27
  was actually going to is the reason why we wanted to talk
• 45:31
  about this and it's it goes into some discussion with.
• 45:35
  I think maybe the bride if you want to take the lead on this
• 45:38
  but ancestor veneration but also the importance of of the VT R,
• 45:45
  the land material, whose fatir the localized Spirits that we
• 45:51
  share space with and coexist with.
• 45:54
  Yeah, yeah, you know when you when you did the the episode on
• 45:59
  ancestral veneration, you know it really it it it key to part
• 46:05
  of my belief that I have had for quite a while and I think that
• 46:10
  I'm probably like a lot of new heathens.
• 46:13
  When I was new, you know, I placed a lot of emphasis on the
• 46:17
  gods, the aesir, the Vani Odin, you know, I know, I know on
• 46:22
  social media, a lot of people say that they, you know, have a
• 46:26
  strong connection with one God or another God.
• 46:29
  And that's and that's great, that's fine.
• 46:31
  If that's how they choose to, to practice.
• 46:35
  But as I've progressed along kind of, in my knowledge and my
• 46:39
  beliefs and stuff, I found that really commonly overlooked
• 46:44
  aspect. In our faith is is one the
• 46:48
  veneration in. Of the of our ancestors who are
• 46:52
  still with us, even in Death, from helheim, or wherever they
• 46:57
  may be, that they're, they're still with us.
• 47:02
  And then also, like you said, the vae tear the, the who's
• 47:05
  fatir in the land, they tear the the spirits of of the house, the
• 47:09
  inner dwelling and and of the land in my, in my practice, as a
• 47:14
  solitary practitioner, I probably give more veneration.
• 47:19
  Do more ritual in offer, more sacrifice to the vet here, you
• 47:28
  know, because I believe that they are more invested in my
• 47:32
  fortune than the gods. I believe that that that the
• 47:36
  gods are largely selfish. If I could say some of them are
• 47:44
  very, very self-serving and they would help human beings here on
• 47:49
  midgard. If, if it served them but our
• 47:52
  ancestors and the end of a tier are much more invested in us and
• 47:57
  our well-being and are much more willing to to Aid us and things
• 48:03
  that we cannot accomplish ourselves, then the gods.
• 48:06
  Maybe that's, that's why I really wanted to bring up that
• 48:10
  topic to see which gentleman had this had to say about that and
• 48:13
  give some insight. That's something that's
• 48:17
  typically overlooked a lot because, you know, the primary
• 48:20
  focal point seems to be, you know, the beings of power, you
• 48:24
  know, like, oh no door Freya, but that's a something.
• 48:27
  I personally after hearing that would like to take a more closer
• 48:30
  look at because, you know, I'm kind of one of those guilty
• 48:33
  people who were, I often the gate and Overlook the moments
• 48:39
  where I have no spiritual epiphanies, or a special moment
• 48:43
  is more up than that. With the Lambert's here in,
• 48:45
  where I see a sacred animal, like a hawk, or a deer, or just
• 48:49
  the trees themselves, and being an atmosphere where you feel,
• 48:53
  you could Escape, you know, whatever is bothering you or
• 48:57
  find this source of inspiration that you've been seeking, you
• 49:00
  know, and often more awesomer. So often than not, these special
• 49:04
  moments are something that are organic, it just happens rather
• 49:08
  than something, you're trying to force like a ritual or, you
• 49:12
  know, Yeah. I mean I'm gonna jump in here
• 49:20
  real quick unless anybody else had to say something, you know,
• 49:23
  there's a, there's a place for it all, you know, there's
• 49:27
  there's definitely a place and a time for You know, the sacred to
• 49:34
  be involved and we see this, you know, repeated in again you know
• 49:40
  we talked about Source material or whatever it was.
• 49:43
  You know what we do know of, is that when the gods were
• 49:45
  involved, there were people, there there was a community,
• 49:48
  there was a Larger Gathering because the gods were tribal,
• 49:53
  the people were tribal, first of all.
• 49:54
  So that it makes sense that they would see their higher beings as
• 50:01
  being structured in the way that their society was structured to,
• 50:05
  you know, so you had tribes of the Gods, you know?
• 50:07
  And and the stories reflect the, the lifestyles that People lived
• 50:14
  back. Then, you know, and the way
• 50:16
  things were done to for the betterment of the, of the groups
• 50:19
  and of the society as it were at that time, one of the other
• 50:23
  things that we do also know of, in some material is that, you
• 50:26
  know, the localized, God's the house, you to call the history
• 50:31
  tear another name. For that, that I've seen is
• 50:33
  cough God, the actual guardian of the home was a deity, a
• 50:38
  sacred part of the, you know, a spirit of the Sacred that Kind
• 50:45
  of go with the family, you know. So if they you know left they
• 50:49
  would it would it would go with them and they would have to kind
• 50:52
  of set up a its own alter, its own Sacred Space in the home
• 50:56
  again to you know make it comfortable.
• 51:00
  And sure that the protection that that that deity offered was
• 51:07
  Was was was still there and that they would still get those
• 51:10
  things. And I think we see that now in
• 51:13
  today with with some of that you say that who's prettier, whether
• 51:17
  it's how it manifests, how they how they make themselves known,
• 51:23
  you know over the Whether it's through our little totems or
• 51:28
  little column Idols or whatever. God pulls, you know, the I've
• 51:33
  seen some people use kind of like the Nisa Common word is
• 51:40
  gnome or that sort of thing. They they more like they they
• 51:50
  have stayed EFI but they put they put their the sacred being
• 51:55
  into the form of something. Whether it's again, a god, polar
• 51:58
  whatever. And then that's their focal
• 51:59
  point and that's who they Gift to regularly offer to regularly.
• 52:05
  So, as to make sure that the area that they live in is
• 52:11
  protected and well kept. And then, of course, the fates
• 52:16
  here of the land, are those living entities that exist in
• 52:21
  the spirit of the wild around us?
• 52:23
  You know, like Patrick saying, you know, the Hawks the, you
• 52:27
  know, the various spirits that we all share.
• 52:31
  Space with go ahead. Papa, I was rambling on a
• 52:33
  visited thing. That caught me that they all
• 52:37
  share is that We engage in exchange with them, throughout
• 52:45
  ritual, or offering, or whatever it is.
• 52:47
  We do set up an altar or place, or recognize and acknowledge, or
• 52:53
  spend time with them, it's all an exchange in an exchange is
• 52:56
  relationship. And relationship to me.
• 53:00
  I think is the most fundamental part in practice when it comes
• 53:04
  to any sort of veneration, whether it be your ancestors,
• 53:08
  the land will tear of useful to you.
• 53:12
  So on it's it's a working relationship.
• 53:18
  It definitely is. And I like to think of
• 53:22
  Relationships. As you know, sometimes you have
• 53:27
  good ones and sometimes you have bad ones even even with people
• 53:31
  right? And I don't think that we could
• 53:33
  maybe neglect the that possibility with the Unseen,
• 53:39
  right things that we don't have a Visions.
• 53:41
  What year are neglected, they become spiteful and all the
• 53:44
  sudden you've got things falling over or out of place and all
• 53:48
  kinds of stories that reflect that Yeah.
• 53:51
  Have you guys anybody here like in, have you ever had an
• 53:54
  experience like that? I do.
• 53:55
  But I don't want to be the first one to say.
• 53:57
  Have you guys ever had an experience?
• 53:59
  Where, you know, you felt like your this fatir were maybe
• 54:04
  feeling a little bit neglected? Yeah, usually my stuff
• 54:10
  disappears around here when we forget about them or start
• 54:13
  feeling neglected. Randomly, you know.
• 54:25
  I have on myself, we have what 233 Alters inside and one
• 54:30
  outside now. So, so you forget about your,
• 54:36
  you neglect, your his fatir and then they take some things or
• 54:38
  whatever he is that what you're saying?
• 54:40
  Yeah, I think that that I've experienced it before.
• 54:52
  Looking back, but not so much since I became a follower of the
• 54:59
  faith, looking back on my life, I could see where I had
• 55:04
  experiences like that, you know, but I'm fairly diligent in in
• 55:10
  honoring. I have several altars in my
• 55:12
  house, too, and outside, spend a lot of time outside both in the
• 55:19
  yard and in my workshop. And I have Small places to make
• 55:23
  offerings all the time so I try not to be a neglectful mortal.
• 55:35
  About you, Josh, you're talking too much.
• 55:40
  Sorry there. Oh man, you know it say man, you
• 55:44
  know, I have some Alters as well.
• 55:46
  And I spent a lot of time Outdoors to reconnect as much as
• 55:50
  I can. And you know, this year for me,
• 55:55
  you know, Macy, musically side, things have been going great.
• 55:59
  But personal was, you know, I've been going through troubles like
• 56:02
  anyone else and I tell you something that really kind of
• 56:05
  Hit me hard this year, was I've been going through a lot.
• 56:10
  Of stuff and then my son's 14th birthday.
• 56:16
  I had to put his beloved dog down on his birthday and we've
• 56:21
  had that dog for literally 13 years and I think I even had
• 56:27
  made a post. I was like what did I do to to
• 56:30
  endure this? You know, and I had to sit back
• 56:32
  a minute and think on myself like and I've have been so
• 56:36
  focused on so much other things and I felt like that was it Go
• 56:40
  call for me that I had to kind of sit back because that hurt
• 56:43
  and it was a it was a really hard day you not only for myself
• 56:47
  but my family you know especially my son.
• 56:49
  This was his dog. So yeah man that I think that
• 56:52
  one was a little bit of the wake-up call for me is like, hey
• 56:55
  man, you just kind of been away for a little bit.
• 56:57
  So I take it the way I cared and and move forward.
• 57:03
  Thanks for sharing that that of intimate moment, you know, like
• 57:07
  that's that's powerful. And at and it opens a window to,
• 57:13
  you know, our souls that are it opens up a vulnerable part of
• 57:17
  ourselves, you know when we share stories like that so
• 57:21
  thanks for sharing. It was a you know we're all men
• 57:25
  here been at my son. My son looked at me.
• 57:28
  He's like Dad, I don't I don't think I've ever seen cry
• 57:31
  playing. I'm like who knew it would take
• 57:34
  a freckled Little Chihuahua to make this happen but you know
• 57:38
  but it was a lot man. It was like said As a lot of
• 57:40
  things had been going on with my life and when I had to do that
• 57:45
  moment, it just all hit me at once and I was like, wow, it's,
• 57:50
  you know, and I did ended up that weekend.
• 57:51
  I spent a lot of time outside, man.
• 57:53
  And reconnected trying to find myself, you know, a little bit
• 57:57
  more. Yeah.
• 58:00
  Takes that time, you know, something, you know, it does it
• 58:03
  sometimes, it's it's that's what's needed.
• 58:07
  You know, one particular thing that I remember happening and it
• 58:13
  was a so we have, like, I think a lot of us, do we have pets,
• 58:16
  you know, house pets and it may not necessarily be this for
• 58:21
  every everybody but for us, you know, our they tear our
• 58:28
  Manifested in a lot of the way, a lot of times through the
• 58:32
  animals in our home, you know. So, if the animals in the home
• 58:36
  or upset, it's a for us, at least here.
• 58:39
  It's a reflection into the, the state of the home itself, you
• 58:42
  know, like kind of use that as a gauge, you know, and try to do
• 58:46
  the best we can to make sure that they're comfortable, that
• 58:48
  they're taking care of that they're treated well and that
• 58:51
  they're, you know, loved and all that.
• 58:53
  And as as a general rule, we keep a pretty peaceful, you know
• 58:58
  about And I like to think that it's, you know, our work as
• 59:02
  people but also recognizing and acknowledging.
• 59:06
  The the Unseen that manifest itself through the scene, you
• 59:09
  know, through these, you know, spirits that week that we
• 59:12
  coexist within that medicine manifest themselves.
• 59:14
  I remember this one time, I had some, I don't know spices, our
• 59:19
  seasonings or something out on our counter and they were, there
• 59:23
  was something going on. I don't even remember the exact
• 59:26
  circumstances but there was some turmoil.
• 59:28
  All right, and in the spices that were on the counter just
• 59:32
  got tipped over and pushed off of the off of the counter space.
• 59:37
  And I'm like, you know, these were jars of spices like like
• 59:40
  not like Savory spices, like hot like capsaicin spices, like
• 59:44
  Reaper stuff. You know, I really spicy things
• 59:47
  and it just go like randomly knocked over and just rolled off
• 59:51
  the thing. I'm like, why, you know, like
• 59:54
  there was no physical presence that I The obviously that that
• 59:59
  could have gone over there and just knocked over a jar of
• 1:00:03
  Reaper flakes, you know? And I'm like, hmm, you know?
• 1:00:07
  And and again our Roo are things like that all the time meant to
• 1:00:12
  be signs or Omens. I don't think so.
• 1:00:14
  You know, one of the things I see a lot of the time is, you
• 1:00:19
  know, people automatically think that if they see a pair of crows
• 1:00:22
  flying over them that it's happen or they, you know, they
• 1:00:24
  they they ate they try to like, I don't know if it's for First.
• 1:00:29
  Or if they just a, you know, crows.
• 1:00:30
  Do. What crows?
• 1:00:31
  Do you know and birds? Do others.
• 1:00:33
  Do and all the wild does with the wild does and it doesn't
• 1:00:35
  necessarily mean that every single time.
• 1:00:37
  You see that particular thing that it's an omen or a sign.
• 1:00:42
  But there are times when it could and it might, but it lies
• 1:00:46
  on that person in what's going on for that individual or what's
• 1:00:51
  happening in their lives. If whether or not the sign is
• 1:00:54
  there, to be seen, because what happens for one person is meant
• 1:00:58
  for that Person or for those people it's not always going to
• 1:01:00
  be the same for everybody. So you know for me at that
• 1:01:04
  particular time that was a sign that was an omen that I read is
• 1:01:07
  saying. There's somebody's not happy
• 1:01:09
  here, right? You're making a mess there,
• 1:01:12
  kicking things over in there and there and they're making
• 1:01:14
  themselves known as hey, you got some work to do here.
• 1:01:18
  There's, we're not happy, right? You know, I love how you you
• 1:01:24
  brought up the crow reference Manning and I'm on the opposite
• 1:01:27
  side of that Spectrum. Remand if I see crows and
• 1:01:30
  ravens. I'm like ecstatic.
• 1:01:33
  I just get, I get it. Like, brings joy to me to
• 1:01:36
  observe them in nature and listen to him talk, you know,
• 1:01:39
  like last weekend being my wife were doing a vending and we were
• 1:01:44
  set up outside. And I watched, I watched a group
• 1:01:47
  of crows, just fighting over a piece of bread.
• 1:01:50
  And I was just sitting there like laughing like, well, these
• 1:01:52
  creepy, you know, but dinners the people that are, you know,
• 1:01:54
  they think it did brings all bad luck, but I'm totally opposite,
• 1:01:58
  man. I just exactly watching them and
• 1:02:00
  love hearing them talk to each other, you know.
• 1:02:05
  I got a raven at worth it every day at lunchtime.
• 1:02:08
  He's out there waiting on me back by with area.
• 1:02:11
  I work in I go out back to smoke and that's not where he's been
• 1:02:14
  in there for about. I guess our little over a year
• 1:02:17
  now I've been every day I take my lunch and get shared with
• 1:02:21
  him. He's got you on the clock man.
• 1:02:24
  He knows what they're super smart man.
• 1:02:28
  Oh you know, I go ahead, go ahead.
• 1:02:32
  I had a pipe Crow. You as a pet for a good while
• 1:02:36
  had adopted her? She was about seven years old
• 1:02:38
  when I adopted her man. And after, you know, having that
• 1:02:42
  as a pet, I really got to see just how intelligent those
• 1:02:46
  creatures are. The funny thing is, she became
• 1:02:49
  my guard Birdman. No one in the family, nor my
• 1:02:52
  wolf dog could come in the room. If I was in the room and she was
• 1:02:55
  out because she would just attack everybody, but me, but,
• 1:02:59
  uh, she was, she was great to have man.
• 1:03:01
  We play games. I would try to hide quarters and
• 1:03:04
  stuff. Don't you?
• 1:03:04
  Just go find them and bring them back and I would, I would sit
• 1:03:08
  there with a guitar and with work on riffs and she would run
• 1:03:11
  up and down the Fret. Helping me play man.
• 1:03:13
  They're they're very interesting birds man.
• 1:03:15
  You know that I grew up with a mom that like parrots.
• 1:03:18
  And you know, and haven't heard was like a whole nother thing
• 1:03:22
  and they need a lot, they love attention.
• 1:03:25
  So that's just something cool. Yeah, they have that ability to
• 1:03:31
  also, like I mentioned parrots, like, corvus the birds, they,
• 1:03:35
  they have that ability to mimic speech and and stuff.
• 1:03:40
  Yeah, yes she would see, I told her how I taught her how to
• 1:03:46
  death metal Grail, which was It's, you know, again I live on
• 1:04:24
  a river. Basically, close to the to the
• 1:04:25
  Stones Rivers, you know? So is it uncommon to see herons
• 1:04:29
  Here? There and Everywhere?
• 1:04:31
  No, but when I see one, it doesn't really even matter where
• 1:04:35
  they are. I just get all giddy and excited
• 1:04:37
  because there's, there's, there's a, there's a spiritual
• 1:04:39
  connection that I have with the Heron, you know?
• 1:04:43
  So for again, it's I think each individual experiences is meant
• 1:04:47
  for Those people and forth or for that, for that person.
• 1:04:52
  That's not meant for others, you know.
• 1:04:54
  I think Patrick, you even have some similar things with it with
• 1:04:57
  with the hawk. I think it's the four years
• 1:05:00
  recently for me, it's been the out, the deer.
• 1:05:04
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:05:05
  There's been this sacred place. I've been frequenting for cheese
• 1:05:09
  about over before I started actually pursuing you know Norse
• 1:05:13
  paganism but I'll really started to To engage in this path and
• 1:05:19
  really, you know, applied to my life.
• 1:05:21
  The more I came to this place the more special became and I
• 1:05:25
  would always see these deer. And when I was younger I always
• 1:05:29
  thought they were kind of skittish, but then when I really
• 1:05:32
  stepped outside that stereotype of really start to really see
• 1:05:35
  them more. As like, you know, the chest
• 1:05:37
  creatures. And the who is also a symbol of
• 1:05:48
  of all sacredness and now obviously this place for so
• 1:05:56
  long, I finally found a deer carcass I'd like six months
• 1:06:03
  before. I finally had the privilege of
• 1:06:05
  are collecting a deer skull and then I'll some other phones to
• 1:06:09
  sit upon my altar actually really quick.
• 1:06:11
  I'll show you guys my dearest call that I got right over here.
• 1:06:16
  I'm not sure if you can see it or not.
• 1:06:18
  Yeah, yeah. It's a good Shake That Thang
• 1:06:25
  you. It also see mentioned the Hawks
• 1:06:27
  to though that's always been something anytime.
• 1:06:29
  I see what actually it's like is today when I went to Walmart to
• 1:06:32
  get some mom's some gifts, I see this hawk flying over and this
• 1:06:37
  immediately I stopped and I was doing this like, oh, gosh, hello
• 1:06:40
  Mia. Alex.
• 1:06:41
  This is very special though. For me, it's, it's bald eagles.
• 1:06:48
  I live in an area where there they're coming back and, and I
• 1:06:52
  see one just about every day. I'll see one and it might be the
• 1:06:56
  same one, because they have quite a huge territory.
• 1:06:59
  But every day, I see it and I just, I get filled with joy.
• 1:07:04
  I'd love to see him, you know, for one, I find like a spiritual
• 1:07:09
  connection to it, but for another just knowing that at
• 1:07:13
  least, that part of nature is Back in this area, you know,
• 1:07:17
  we're, we're starting to get otters back.
• 1:07:20
  I saw mink the other day, so we're starting to get those.
• 1:07:23
  The red foxes are coming back. So, you know, in this area that
• 1:07:27
  I live on, right, right by Lake Erie.
• 1:07:29
  We're really, really blessed and fortunate to have a lot of the
• 1:07:32
  spirits of the land coming back and thriving.
• 1:07:36
  And whatnot is really is really great to see That is awesome.
• 1:07:42
  Quiet Lake Erie. Yep.
• 1:07:45
  Yep, but too far away from there, let's go.
• 1:07:49
  Your, we don't, we don't have bald eagles too much here in the
• 1:07:53
  Carolinas, they're here, but they're rare, and I actually for
• 1:07:58
  my outdoor business back over to summer, had took a group out
• 1:08:02
  kayaking and one flew over. And I almost had a panic attack
• 1:08:06
  because I was like, I have never never seen one are two.
• 1:08:09
  I never seen them. Till I got into Midwest.
• 1:08:12
  So see you in the mirror in the Carolinas and for him to be
• 1:08:14
  flying over the river while I was, you know, giving these
• 1:08:17
  people a Toro and how they kayak down a river.
• 1:08:19
  It was, it was amazing. See that?
• 1:08:21
  They're beautiful creatures. Yeah. but you Papa This is like
• 1:08:32
  your leg that mean you live. It it's you know I feel like
• 1:08:37
  come and go on they change I've made connections with lots of
• 1:08:44
  different animals in different times when there's been
• 1:08:48
  something along my path that I needed to to learn or to work
• 1:08:52
  on. And sometimes it's presented by
• 1:08:55
  the elk or fox or the hall. But I think the one that has
• 1:09:01
  stayed throughout and is the Raven, I actually have that
• 1:09:05
  tattooed on my head here. That's what you stayed for me,
• 1:09:11
  throughout my entire life and journey in.
• 1:09:15
  More of a companionship in that relationship by Spirit than just
• 1:09:20
  acquaintances or familiarity that you might find.
• 1:09:23
  As you have these encounters your experiences with other
• 1:09:27
  spirits, that have something to keychain the show at the time.
• 1:09:35
  Yeah. And I mean, there's, you know,
• 1:09:37
  myself, you know, thanks to your handiwork, you know, the drum
• 1:09:43
  that's, you know, right here in the back, the small one, that's
• 1:09:47
  a bison, skin drum, I have the big one that you guys can see
• 1:09:51
  kind of partially behind me here.
• 1:09:52
  That's made of goat and and the rattle that is kind of poking.
• 1:10:00
  Its It's hammer head above the Bison.
• 1:10:03
  Drum is made of bear. Skin, ya know.
• 1:10:06
  And so there's, there's all different kinds of things that
• 1:10:09
  when we, you know, for at least for me, you know, when, when we
• 1:10:14
  use these these instruments, when we use these tools, when
• 1:10:17
  we, when we incorporate these items into our into our
• 1:10:22
  practices, it's you almost can't help.
• 1:10:26
  But kind of drift into this trance like state of of
• 1:10:31
  connecting with the spirit of that animal and Everything that
• 1:10:35
  it means, you know, I mean, sure, my philia is a heron and
• 1:10:39
  for my spirit work that's that's the form that I take for those
• 1:10:43
  types of activities. But, you know, the ferocity of
• 1:10:49
  the bear and the tenacity of the bison and the, the agility of
• 1:10:55
  the goat. I mean, just all these things
• 1:10:56
  that you can come up with and think of when you I don't know
• 1:11:02
  partake of their their remains. You know, and then this way,
• 1:11:05
  it's a really a wild thing. And I mentioned early on the
• 1:11:08
  podcast before some, you came on about animism for me in my
• 1:11:14
  growth and in my, you know, progression in Heathen, re so
• 1:11:17
  much of where I've gravitated toward towards over.
• 1:11:21
  The years, has led me down this path of animism and connecting
• 1:11:27
  with the spirits of the land that I codes, you know, exist
• 1:11:30
  with and and around and it's and it's become such a wholesome.
• 1:11:34
  Lifestyle with that that I didn't have to force, it was
• 1:11:38
  just already there and it was just ready to be tapped into,
• 1:11:42
  don't know how you guys have experienced that.
• 1:11:45
  But it sounds like from everybody's comments that
• 1:11:48
  there's a little bit of that element.
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  Yeah. And all of us still.
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  Very awesome. And really cool is I think about
• 1:11:59
  the weeks leading up to what I was going to go visit you, I
• 1:12:02
  remember how I was telling you all City pick.
• 1:12:04
  When I go my little walks around my leg and I be like oh Jesse
• 1:12:08
  check this out. I see this Herring really cool
• 1:12:13
  is like the spirit of be was there.
• 1:12:15
  You know, preparing a getting me, ready to make that journey
• 1:12:18
  to come visit. You that Association in that?
• 1:12:24
  That's pure with me when I go please, you know, nature walks,
• 1:12:27
  you know. I remember that, I remember you
• 1:12:31
  sharing that with me before you came out here and it was an old
• 1:12:35
  For the both of us, in a way you shared it with me and I said,
• 1:12:38
  you know, I'm just there to making sure you're alright,
• 1:12:40
  making sure you're ready for the journey, you know, it was like
• 1:12:43
  kind of a neat thing that, you know, you had that, you know,
• 1:12:46
  Association that you kind of put towards me.
• 1:12:48
  And I course felt that as well. And so yeah it's stuff like that
• 1:12:54
  that, you know, these types of meetings, these types of
• 1:12:57
  engagements, you know, start with a conversation or a
• 1:13:01
  friendship over long distance and then who knows what it can
• 1:13:04
  be. Um, I mean you know, Josh you up
• 1:13:06
  there in the Kings Mountain, recently had a chance to, you
• 1:13:10
  know, share in in in in a personal relation of meeting
• 1:13:14
  with a lot of really good people, Papa's fluted, you know,
• 1:13:18
  all the included then. And that was very wholesome for
• 1:13:24
  me and when and how did it all start you know, right, well a
• 1:13:30
  lot of it had to do with you, you know I meant pop up through
• 1:13:34
  you. Indian me and Papa started,
• 1:13:37
  engaging the conversation and he invited me into his home and and
• 1:13:41
  I bet a lot of his friends and now I have more people, I can
• 1:13:44
  call friends and you know down here like me and Brian have both
• 1:13:50
  in the same situation of being in solitary, man.
• 1:13:52
  It it was nice to be around kindred spirits and I honestly
• 1:13:58
  man I was the biggest smile. I think I've had on my face in a
• 1:14:00
  long time and someone at your captured a picture of us.
• 1:14:04
  With some cigars in the be small and it was like no one ever.
• 1:14:07
  Captures a picture of me smiling.
• 1:14:09
  Like I didn't catch the I didn't even see any profit shares.
• 1:14:12
  It I'm like, dang you papa the beer?
• 1:14:19
  Has it? You know.
• 1:14:25
  It makes me want to go back by Big Beard.
• 1:14:27
  I had he's so he's like Saruman over here Gandolfini.
• 1:14:35
  I know I just I just trimmed mine too, and I'm feeling bad
• 1:14:38
  about it. I'm in the company of such great
• 1:14:41
  beards and then I'm over here, just like nothing.
• 1:14:46
  Well, you know, I got all this to ya, make up for it, but
• 1:14:53
  you're just, you're just, you're probably got you.
• 1:14:56
  You probably got it all black, braided down your chest and
• 1:14:58
  everything to I bet you wildebeest or something, and
• 1:15:03
  he's got his back. Braided Dan my back.
• 1:15:09
  Tell me about it. That's why he likes the bald
• 1:15:14
  eagle. I think the reason why I tend to
• 1:15:28
  lean towards the so much you know as we're having this
• 1:15:32
  conversation is kind of Current to me that there because the
• 1:15:38
  representation of these land material within the animals, and
• 1:15:42
  the land, and the trees and the rocks and everything.
• 1:15:46
  It's a, it's a tangible representation of the spirit
• 1:15:49
  world. It's something that I can see
• 1:15:51
  that I can touch in some cases, you know.
• 1:15:54
  And maybe that makes it easier for me to find a connection to
• 1:16:01
  rather than the mystical That we cannot see with our eyes, you
• 1:16:07
  know? That kind of just want to share
• 1:16:09
  that thought, is that occurred to me?
• 1:16:13
  Good, that's a good observation. I really respected a fire that
• 1:16:20
  too, because it's kind of one of the reasons I don't really like
• 1:16:24
  go to Odin that much as I hold it as a very sacred, you know,
• 1:16:27
  time. And, you know, I love it.
• 1:16:30
  When a really feel to invest myself fully rather than the
• 1:16:34
  day-to-day and mundane would be more appropriate to go towards
• 1:16:38
  you all the land, it's here for, you know, the house, you know.
• 1:16:43
  Oh yeah. And it's you know, to like I
• 1:16:44
  think Brian mentioned it earlier, it's there more, you
• 1:16:48
  know, there's a, there's one thing I've been thinking of this
• 1:16:50
  whole time and I'm just, I can't remember the exact stanza or the
• 1:16:55
  exact Saga, but I want to say, it is in The Saga of agiel
• 1:17:02
  scholar Grimson where the ships that would come in that and
• 1:17:09
  stuff. They were, they would cover
• 1:17:10
  those those dragon. Headed things on the front of
• 1:17:14
  their ships when they would come into Port because it would
• 1:17:17
  scare, they were they're worried about scaring.
• 1:17:19
  The they tear, they were worried about scaring the spirits of the
• 1:17:22
  land and they didn't want to do that because it was bad.
• 1:17:26
  You know, you know, the vator were there as I protectors and
• 1:17:30
  Guardians and such. So they had, you know, those
• 1:17:33
  people had a sense of, you know, being on the good side of the
• 1:17:36
  material as much as you as much as you could sew it.
• 1:17:39
  Again, it's more tangible. It's the That we exist within
• 1:17:43
  around on a day-to-day basis, the gods are in the sacred realm
• 1:17:48
  and they are not interacting with our day-to-day stuff on a
• 1:17:52
  personal level, to any degree, you know, and it when it's when
• 1:17:56
  it's time to engage with the gods, when it's time to appeal
• 1:18:00
  to the gods, it's done in a very ceremony as way and it's done in
• 1:18:03
  a very religious way and it's done with other people and it's
• 1:18:06
  not to say that it can't be done on an individual level.
• 1:18:08
  Because again, I feel that it can be theirs.
• 1:18:10
  There may not be specific sources that say it, and We
• 1:18:12
  already talked about the validity of all that and why we
• 1:18:15
  feel we need to reference sources, but just as a
• 1:18:18
  disclaimer, right? Like we know for a fact that
• 1:18:20
  when the gods were engaged and stuff, it was done in on a
• 1:18:25
  communal level with with other people.
• 1:18:27
  Whereas everything else going on day-to-day, you know,
• 1:18:31
  individually. Perhaps was more localized and
• 1:18:36
  then and that's with, you know, the the lifestyle that people
• 1:18:40
  live, it was they were sharing space.
• 1:18:42
  As with all right, you know, the creatures on the land, all the
• 1:18:46
  critters, all the problems still honoring that even to this day
• 1:18:51
  and in more ways than we think and Iceland and not just the
• 1:18:56
  Icelandic also truer or those the reading in that look.
• 1:19:01
  If you look at the Icelandic Kroner, their former currency
• 1:19:07
  on. One side of it, you'll find an
• 1:19:09
  emblem that features a giant A dragon, an eagle.
• 1:19:20
  There's one other. I think it's a servant that it's
• 1:19:24
  a bowl. We are going to bowl a giant and
• 1:19:27
  an eagle and that goes back to a story that while they were
• 1:19:32
  sailing before Iceland was settled.
• 1:19:34
  They attempted to get ship near land to go in and explore.
• 1:19:40
  But they sailed up and they Chased Away by a giant with an
• 1:19:44
  iron staff that came down. So we sailed around some more
• 1:19:47
  and we're chased Away by an eagle and then each of these
• 1:19:50
  things were the land that's here protecting the island.
• 1:19:53
  And so they still honor that story and the land was here to
• 1:19:56
  this day on their currency. It has beautiful Following also
• 1:20:04
  true. But I mean, the currency is
• 1:20:07
  therefore for all the people. It's a it's just an agreed-upon
• 1:20:10
  thing there. It's not If a thing, it's just a
• 1:20:14
  common belief, they all share. Yeah, they've had they keep some
• 1:20:21
  of their country's Traditions, their people's Traditions alive
• 1:20:25
  and just some of the most mundane ways we've gotten away
• 1:20:32
  from that largely here in North America, you know, I mean, I'm
• 1:20:37
  glad to hear like, at least with us here today, you know, talking
• 1:20:40
  about the It's that we in each place on it and like, Brian.
• 1:20:44
  You know you're saying that, you know, some of the animals that
• 1:20:48
  have either left the area or have been sparse are returning.
• 1:20:53
  That's a good sign, that's, that's a good.
• 1:20:56
  That's a good omen. Something's working something
• 1:20:58
  that's being done on the, in the, in the background, whoever
• 1:21:01
  whatever, you know? However, the collective group of
• 1:21:04
  people, when enough rocks, get thrown into a pond, you know,
• 1:21:10
  you make enough ripples, you make enough waves, things
• 1:21:13
  happen. There's, there's this effects,
• 1:21:15
  they called The Butterfly Effect, whatever.
• 1:21:16
  But, you know, there's there's a reactionary thing that happens
• 1:21:19
  and I feel, you know, if one drum is beating, it doesn't
• 1:21:23
  resonate so loudly. As if 100 drums are beaten and
• 1:21:28
  1000 drums are beaten or or 10,000 feathers are waived and
• 1:21:32
  it creates this storm or whatever.
• 1:21:35
  When there's there's one there's more people doing these types of
• 1:21:38
  things and hopefully conversations like this are
• 1:21:41
  sparking That that that fire to be ignited and allows stuff like
• 1:21:48
  what we're talking about to happen, to get us back to a
• 1:21:51
  point. Again not not retract not to go
• 1:21:55
  back so far that we're, you know, not being Progressive but
• 1:21:59
  that we're getting back to a point of a wholesome and
• 1:22:01
  holistic existence as a species because you know, we've done
• 1:22:07
  some really wacky shit over the years to ruin a lot of stuff
• 1:22:10
  man. And maybe some of what this type
• 1:22:13
  of activity is causing is positive.
• 1:22:18
  Positive reinforcement, positive action to Make a change and make
• 1:22:23
  it make it. Make a good difference.
• 1:22:25
  Least I like to think so. Yeah point you made is a your
• 1:22:30
  matching and it's like I feel like a lot of people get the
• 1:22:33
  idea that I'll back in the early days that people have more
• 1:22:37
  sacred, you know, Union with the gods rather than we do now.
• 1:22:43
  But I think this sayable partially true but also an
• 1:22:46
  illusion because I feel like the guys could be more present than
• 1:22:48
  ever if you know individually or as a Hold that, we make that
• 1:22:53
  effort to make it, you know, present and more, you know,
• 1:22:56
  palpable. Well to that point, I would say
• 1:22:59
  that there's again, it goes back to how the gods were engaged and
• 1:23:04
  stuff on the communal levels. Because again, it, you know,
• 1:23:07
  when people get together and make a bun, or make a poster or
• 1:23:11
  do something, it's it, you know, it resonates louder.
• 1:23:14
  So you're going to grab the attention more.
• 1:23:17
  So, you know, so with all of the things that are being done,
• 1:23:20
  it's, I think again, it Has the same impact or could potentially
• 1:23:25
  have the same impact. We're trying to.
• 1:23:29
  We're trying to make a difference here, man.
• 1:23:30
  Like, we're trying to make good good changes.
• 1:23:32
  We're trying to write it back to back to, you know, maybe Our
• 1:23:37
  Roots but but, you know again enforce the good and use those
• 1:23:43
  known methods to perpetuate that wholesome and that holistic
• 1:23:48
  approach and give give our give everybody's A chance for a
• 1:23:53
  better future. And I don't think that it's so
• 1:23:56
  much a return to Our Roots. I mean, I think a lot of a lot
• 1:24:00
  of practitioners of the faith come by way of that, but I think
• 1:24:05
  it's a return to values is what what I think you're saying, you
• 1:24:10
  know, and much like the animals that I mentioned that are coming
• 1:24:13
  back around and are starting to flourish again, you know, Norse
• 1:24:18
  paganism. Heathen re is, is flourishing to
• 1:24:21
  and All right, I'll I will never ever talk poorly about another
• 1:24:27
  Faith just because I don't believe in another Faith or
• 1:24:31
  don't agree with it personally doesn't mean that it's wrong for
• 1:24:35
  the individual but I will say that other religions in this
• 1:24:39
  world are having an all-time low participation.
• 1:24:43
  Christianity people aren't going to church like they used to
• 1:24:48
  butit's and Judaism, their faithful it.
• 1:24:52
  Their numbers of their faithful or diminishing.
• 1:24:54
  While ours are actually flourishing.
• 1:24:57
  And I think that speaks to the communal aspect of our religion
• 1:25:01
  to the connection with the land to the connection, to our
• 1:25:04
  ancestors, the connection to the gods, and the connection to our
• 1:25:08
  communities, you know. And, and I did mention that I'm
• 1:25:12
  a solitary practitioner, however, you know, with the use
• 1:25:16
  of social media and stuff. And I've been able to connect
• 1:25:19
  with other people on this virtual.
• 1:25:22
  Will level. And I think that you hit the
• 1:25:24
  nail on the head, really that were by and large, just trying
• 1:25:31
  to do good in this world by our families and by our fellow, you
• 1:25:35
  know, men and women really. And that's what that's what it
• 1:25:39
  represents to me. Anyways, the increase in this
• 1:25:42
  faith that by all intents and purposes, should have been wiped
• 1:25:47
  out from history by you know, the the Christian Asian.
• 1:25:52
  But for some reason, it survived and here we are in the 21st
• 1:25:57
  century, you know, following the gods of our ancestors.
• 1:26:06
  That observation, I just want to point that out and, you know,
• 1:26:08
  it's really cool. Thank you.
• 1:26:11
  I would like to touch on the subject while we're going on it.
• 1:26:16
  The, the influx in the popularity.
• 1:26:18
  Now that's come along and the mass of people generating the
• 1:26:23
  gods or a deity. I would love for you to stay
• 1:26:32
  more versus why, and how it was done in our earliest sources.
• 1:26:36
  We don't have those same reasons now.
• 1:26:39
  Prayer. When we talk about who was
• 1:26:43
  venerated and when and why they were farming communities farming
• 1:26:47
  culture and crop was life or death, you were either going to
• 1:26:51
  starve or you were going to make it through the winter in it.
• 1:26:54
  All depended on your growing season.
• 1:26:56
  So the veneer for are especially were venerated and offerings
• 1:27:02
  were made sacrifices were made, but we're not doing that now.
• 1:27:06
  We're not farming anymore. We're Into the grocery store.
• 1:27:10
  We're not going out and fighting our next-door, neighbors,
• 1:27:13
  family, with our family to need to hail tear for victory or Odin
• 1:27:19
  for War. I mean, we're not walking across
• 1:27:22
  the chain link fence line with swords and shields.
• 1:27:25
  I mean, so maybe you're not but now I'm some of us are ready to
• 1:27:33
  some may want to do that, but we also live in a society with law
• 1:27:38
  Yeah. All right.
• 1:27:40
  I mean, I'm headed right for that chain link fence.
• 1:27:43
  We're civilized now. So, when you're generating the
• 1:27:47
  gods, are you seeking the gods or you're wanting to make
• 1:27:50
  offering? Remember to ask yourself why you
• 1:27:53
  might have intention there? But what is the purpose?
• 1:27:58
  If this is going to be genuine, if this is going to be
• 1:28:00
  wholesome, if this is going to be organic, you need to be able
• 1:28:03
  to answer those things. Yeah, that's a great point.
• 1:28:08
  That is a really great point in. And also, I'm of the I have the
• 1:28:12
  idea of the belief that I also asked myself before I ask a
• 1:28:18
  deity or a spirit for anything, if it's something that is within
• 1:28:23
  my power to achieve of my own volition.
• 1:28:28
  And if the answer is yes, that I that I can then I try, I do, I
• 1:28:33
  try I persevere. Not always, though, you know, I
• 1:28:37
  have, I have stumbled, I have failed.
• 1:28:40
  I have asked for help, and then I have succeeded after that.
• 1:28:42
  So, I do believe that there is much to be said about making
• 1:28:47
  offerings and, and asking for, for something, a gift for a gift
• 1:28:52
  though. Yeah, 100%, you know, it's not
• 1:28:57
  so much. Can you do this for me?
• 1:28:59
  It's hey, I need a little bit of backup here.
• 1:29:02
  Your ancestors, come in. Yep.
• 1:29:06
  Because to that point. Yeah, like exactly, like pop.
• 1:29:08
  That's where your ancestors come.
• 1:29:09
  Because they've been here. They are the ones they're the
• 1:29:12
  reason why we're here. First and foremost, I mean, if
• 1:29:15
  succeed, yeah, they do, they absolutely do because it goes
• 1:29:20
  Bay touches back on this particular path.
• 1:29:23
  And in our The importance that we place of, you know, you
• 1:29:28
  talked about ancestor veneration, well, why is it such
• 1:29:30
  a big deal? Why do why do we focus so much
• 1:29:31
  on it? Well, first of all, again,
• 1:29:34
  they're the reason why we got here and we want to lay, we want
• 1:29:38
  to add the 22 or log. We want, we want, we want our
• 1:29:43
  current deeds, in our, in our current luck, to feed the, well,
• 1:29:47
  to give a boost to the Next Generation to the next line.
• 1:29:52
  However, it comes whether it's through.
• 1:29:54
  During whether it's through birth, whether it's through
• 1:29:56
  friendship and kinship tiles of sharing of, you know, the
• 1:30:00
  gifting exchange with one another.
• 1:30:02
  I mean, this is how it's done here and now in the modern day,
• 1:30:05
  you know, and That's it's, you know, for me it's I don't have
• 1:30:12
  children of my own, but I have children and I have friends who
• 1:30:15
  are every bit family to me. And I want what I do now to be
• 1:30:19
  something that they can. You know, tap into as a, as luck
• 1:30:24
  later on down the line and as an ancestor, as I'll become one
• 1:30:27
  day, I'll damn sure be invested in their success to.
• 1:30:31
  And I want to see, I want to see them succeed, just as I know.
• 1:30:33
  My ancestors want to see me succeed.
• 1:30:37
  Hey Brian, said it very well earlier when he pointed out that
• 1:30:39
  there's a vested interest and the comes from our ancestors,
• 1:30:44
  that is not present from deity, or from gods or goddesses.
• 1:30:51
  Yeah. They had a no reason but our
• 1:30:53
  family. Our ancestors have every reason.
• 1:30:57
  So I thought this would be a really nice thing and it's
• 1:31:00
  getting to a point. Now I think that you know, for
• 1:31:02
  the sake of absorption for everybody listening and watching
• 1:31:06
  that this is this is a great point in time to look at
• 1:31:10
  wrapping the podcast up for the season for the year for this
• 1:31:14
  episode and I can't think of a better way to wrap it up then,
• 1:31:18
  two in a virtual way. Okay, have a sort of Sambal
• 1:31:26
  fish. And I want this to just be
• 1:31:29
  something a focus on boasts of of healing.
• 1:31:32
  Our of ancestors, a speak of a great deed.
• 1:31:35
  Speak of something of that has happened for each of you here in
• 1:31:39
  2022, as we wrap up the season 3 of this podcast, you know what?
• 1:31:45
  Bose can you give that kales your ancestors that you have
• 1:31:50
  been able to accomplish this year, that that you would be
• 1:31:53
  willing to share with the viewers?
• 1:31:54
  The listeners today and I'll start with, I don't know.
• 1:31:58
  I'll start with you. Josh, if you don't mind, I'll
• 1:32:01
  put you on the spot. Man.
• 1:32:02
  It'll be able to spot. It will go.
• 1:32:04
  Well, we'll start with you Josh, and then we'll go to Richard,
• 1:32:08
  will go to Brian's Papa, and then we'll wrap up with Patrick.
• 1:32:11
  How's that sound? Well, first and foremost, I do
• 1:32:15
  come from an ancestral, land, and musicians.
• 1:32:19
  And this year was my first year branching out after 20-something
• 1:32:24
  Years to take in my musical journey and going solo and hold
• 1:32:30
  a popular. You're ready to save my band
• 1:32:33
  name for me we can do that. Yeah, yeah because papa says it
• 1:32:38
  better than anybody in the world so go ahead.
• 1:32:40
  Papa say my band name for me please sir.
• 1:32:43
  School Gourmet. Oh God that's sexy but so yeah I
• 1:32:50
  branched out solo and I started it actually two years ago but
• 1:32:54
  this year I'm follow you have some success with it and my new
• 1:32:58
  album the croon sagas is coming out on the 30th of this month
• 1:33:03
  and it is coming out via inner demon records, which I am
• 1:33:08
  honored to be a part of that family and is a it was a long
• 1:33:13
  journey. Ready to get there and to be on
• 1:33:17
  a record label as just a just a blessing in itself.
• 1:33:26
  Beautiful. Go ahead.
• 1:33:27
  Richard, I guess my biggest pose for this your men being seven
• 1:33:34
  years at my current employer forum.
• 1:33:37
  And fact that, now I'm the fishery the subject matter
• 1:33:41
  expert and the lead for the sealer line in the paint
• 1:33:44
  department. Well, I didn't some that, my,
• 1:33:51
  all my ancestors real. My grandfather was an electrical
• 1:33:54
  engineer for GE, so and everything.
• 1:33:57
  So it's something I've been even real proud of That's great.
• 1:34:05
  Thank you for sharing about you Brian.
• 1:34:10
  You know, I stumbled a while back and core gold really,
• 1:34:16
  really hard. It's a story for a different
• 1:34:19
  time, really. But this year, I was, I worked
• 1:34:24
  really hard professionally, and I'm the director of my of my
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  company and just last month, I celebrated nine months sober or
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  I mean, nine years sober, sorry. Nine years sober.
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  Wow, graduate. And which again is another story
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  for another time, but it's kind of how it brought me to the
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  faith. So, but that would, that would
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  definitely be it, man, achieving my personal and professional
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  goals. It's been a great year.
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  Wonderful, thank you. All right, Papa For me it's
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  going to be all off pain-filled over some painful home field.
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  Here's the son of a potato farmer.
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  Who was the son of a potato farmer and potato farmer potato
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  farmer. But he decided that his calling
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  was a little bit different and he went into medicine and
• 1:35:22
  graduated as a doctor at the age of 18 in Sweden and decided to
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  bring his practice to the United States and landed in a Town
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  called Bean Station. Tennessee?
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  And that's the entire reason that I've got to live and
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  experience this amazing place called Appalachia.
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  It's all owed to him answering that call and making that big
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  move. I have to always honor him.
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  Beautiful, thank you. All right, Patrick who you got?
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  What you got. All right, all my posts this
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  year. Travels.
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  To see my these favorite musical groups my comfort zone and
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  pushing myself to, you know, coming to see you.
• 1:36:25
  It's like I was having car issues and you know ended up
• 1:36:28
  getting covid on the way back and I probably had that prior to
• 1:36:31
  seeing you but just don't know just really Happened really
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  meant something a lot to me. And then also, I was Working a
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  lot with improving my mental health.
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  And no, my, my daily habits and all, you know,
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  We've all had a really. I mean, everybody's story has
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  been really compelling, you know, each of your
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  accomplishments each of your victories, each of the things
• 1:37:17
  that you've sown in your respective actions and you know,
• 1:37:23
  it's an honoring of your own selves, right?
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  You you've done yourself good. Bye by doing all the things that
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  you've said you've done and accomplished this year and
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  reflecting on those Therese. I think is important and and
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  stating those, you know, small wins, no matter how big it
• 1:37:40
  doesn't have to be a big thing. It doesn't have to be a major
• 1:37:43
  accomplishment, but it count your victories and use them to
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  drive us into further greatness. And again, it is a boon to our
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  ancestors because without them we wouldn't be here.
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  So it's a great opportunity. I think for all of us to walk
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  away from as as 2022 comes to a close you know.
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  We're getting into a mindset, a lot of us of really going in
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  where to our respective families homes.
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  There's a lot of feasting and Gatherings coming up for a lot
• 1:38:16
  of us, you know. And you know, for me, I'll just
• 1:38:23
  say that there was a lot that happened this year, for my
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  personal growth for my professional growth in my own
• 1:38:31
  job and my spiritual growth. So T faceted many victories and
• 1:38:37
  you know, as we come into the end of 20 to 20 22 and look
• 1:38:40
  forward into 2023. Let's let's each of us count our
• 1:38:43
  victories and this goes for everybody, listening and
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  watching to, you know, as you've heard from all of the guests
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  today and myself about things that we want to boast about her
• 1:38:53
  or speak. Well of and give credit to our
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  ancestors and ourselves for these things do the same for
• 1:38:58
  yourselves, right? Share those conversations with
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  your knee. Listen dearest tie that amount
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  of weird together because kind recognizes kind of, you know,
• 1:39:12
  iron sharpens iron. There's there's so many
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  different, you know, fire, ignites, fire different phrases,
• 1:39:17
  different ways that you can put it, but you'll really, I think
• 1:39:22
  find a find a great thing and a benefit in in recognizing the
• 1:39:28
  greatness in yourself and in talking about this with other
• 1:39:31
  people and then, you know, feeding off of each other's. -
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  in accomplishments for a lot of us, you know, you'll is coming
• 1:39:39
  around here soon and you know, you will was traditionally a
• 1:39:44
  midwinter bloat for starting to think about crops and thinking
• 1:39:49
  about starting to plant your crops for the upcoming growth
• 1:39:52
  season. You know, we've made it through
• 1:39:54
  one of the harshest points of the Year.
• 1:39:58
  We're Midway through the light is at the end of the tunnel.
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  We hadn't died yet, right? We hadn't started.
• 1:40:04
  We haven't As in write all the things that our ancient
• 1:40:06
  ancestors had to think about, we're thinking of it in a little
• 1:40:10
  bit in a different context now and there's a lot of things that
• 1:40:14
  we've been able to do this year that we can use to fuel for the
• 1:40:19
  upcoming year. And I would encourage everybody
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  here as guests and friends and then also listeners, and viewers
• 1:40:24
  and supporters to, to use this time of year to think about the,
• 1:40:29
  the the crops that you're going to be planting the things that
• 1:40:31
  you're going to be doing in the days, the weeks, and the months.
• 1:40:34
  to come to honor your ancestors, to honor yourselves into Go out
• 1:40:41
  and be great, achieve great things to whatever degree
• 1:40:44
  doesn't have, again have to be a big massive thing, but just
• 1:40:47
  count your victories and use them to fuel future endeavors.
• 1:40:55
  So anybody else have anything before we wrap it up, It's been
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  a pleasure to be on here. Thank you guys, sweet.
• 1:41:06
  Well it has been a pleasure. It's been a great great year.
• 1:41:10
  I want to thank my honored guests for for tuning in and
• 1:41:13
  being a part of the season 3 finale.
• 1:41:16
  So you guys just hang out a minute.
• 1:41:17
  After I wrap this up, don't go anywhere so I can, you know, did
• 1:41:21
  you a proper farewell? But for everybody that is
• 1:41:24
  listening watching today, thank you for a wonderful season three
• 1:41:30
  of the Heathen ramblings podcast.
• 1:41:32
  We wouldn't be here if it wasn't for all of you.
• 1:41:35
  So until we talk again in season, 4 May the gods continue
• 1:41:40
  to notice you and may your ancestors smile upon you.
• 1:41:43
  Thank you all. Heathen ramblings podcast.
• 1:41:32
  We wouldn't be here if it wasn't for all of you.
• 1:41:35
  So until we talk again in season, 4 May the gods continue
• 1:41:40
  to notice you and may your ancestors smile upon you.
• 1:41:43
  Thank you all.