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NFL Draft Recap, Vikings Draft Grades, and Purple Beer | TSH Ep. 136 · The Skol Hop

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  Speaker 1: All right, Hey, Vikings fans, welcome in to another episode
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  Speaker 1: of the School Hob. I'm Evan and I'm Austin. We're's
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  Speaker 1: a couple of dudes from Iowa. We like drinking beer
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  Speaker 1: and talking about the Vikings.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and speaking of beer, we had a beer tonight
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  Speaker 2: that kind of made it rain purple here for a
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  Speaker 2: little while.
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  Speaker 1: It was interesting. We also talked about this twenty twenty
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  Speaker 1: six NFL draft for the Vikings, gave our thoughts on
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  Speaker 1: each pick and the draft as a whole.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and we looked at some of the trades that
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  Speaker 2: the Vikings made throughout the drafts and how it'll affect
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  Speaker 2: the team moving forward.
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  Speaker 1: And we may have even compared this beer to a
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  Speaker 1: couple of Vikings players. Kind of fun.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So let us know your thoughts and grab
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  Speaker 1: Whatever you gotta tell us about the beer that we're
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  Speaker 1: drinking tonight. All right, this is interesting.
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  Speaker 2: All right. So this is a beer that I would never, ever, ever, ever,
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  Speaker 2: ever just pick up for myself.
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  Speaker 1: So you picked it up for me.
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  Speaker 2: I picked it up for us. Okay, so kind of
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  Speaker 2: in the same vein as the beer that we had
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  Speaker 2: or beer seltzer whatever we said that it was last
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  Speaker 2: week marginally a beer, Yeah, last week. It was that pure.
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  Speaker 1: From oh gosh, what was the adventuress here adventures?
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  Speaker 2: It was like the strawberry banana pure beer. I can
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  Speaker 2: confirm I did not get a headache from the bananas.
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  Speaker 1: So good. I was gonna ask you about that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was. And I really enjoyed the beer.
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  Speaker 2: I think you did too.
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  Speaker 1: It was good. It was just very different from anything
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  Speaker 1: I've had before, and it was tough to classify it
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  Speaker 1: as a beer. Yeah yeah, and I.
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  Speaker 2: Think they called a seltzer. But anyways, this one is
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  Speaker 2: classified as a sour ale. It's called Purple Rain. And
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  Speaker 2: this one is from Seven Hills Brewing Company, who have
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  Speaker 2: been making some moves recently. They definitely acquired a great
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  Speaker 2: revivalist brewing a handful of months ago. It sounds like
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  Speaker 2: they may have acquired one or two other ones maybe
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure about that, but this is one I've
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  Speaker 2: never had again. It's called Purple Rain. They say it's
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  Speaker 2: a sour ale with grape drink, cotton candy, and lactose.
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  Speaker 2: The the can art's pretty cool. It's purple. It has
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  Speaker 2: a clown dressed in purple under a purple rain cloud
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  Speaker 2: that is raining purple rain drops.
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  Speaker 1: It's a very sad clown.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So I picked it up obviously for the purple aspect.
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  Speaker 2: That's the name of the Prince song, right, Purple Rain.
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  Speaker 2: So if you're if you're into that, Evan, you're poor
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  Speaker 2: in yours right now. I just want to see if
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  Speaker 2: it truly is purple. There's a purple haze to it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not.
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  Speaker 2: A haze a tinge.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's purple. The the head on it has definitely
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  Speaker 1: got kind of that purple hue.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's it looks very unnaturally purple.
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  Speaker 1: It smells like grape. I am wearing my have a
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  Speaker 1: Grape Day shirt appropriately from uh what is that lift
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  Speaker 1: Kind of a shameless little bit.
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  Speaker 2: But if you like it, I like it a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's cool, it looks good.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, this one, this beer, Purple Rain is purple,
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  Speaker 2: kind of smells fruity. It's not to me. It doesn't
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  Speaker 2: smell like straight up sugar like.
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  Speaker 1: The it's grape cough medicine. This.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see, we'll see. I think so far to
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  Speaker 2: date we've only really had one beer on the show
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  Speaker 2: that both of us were like, Yeah, the tickle my pickle.
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  Speaker 1: I still have a can of that in my garage.
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  Speaker 2: That's just gonna get worse with agent.
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  Speaker 1: That might be a purple punch.
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  Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, we'll write that one down,
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  Speaker 2: all right, Purple Rain. What what did I say?
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  Speaker 1: It was six point four percent?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, six point four sour ale with grape drink, cotton candy,
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  Speaker 2: and lactose. We've delayed long enough school school.
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  Speaker 1: Not as bad as I initially thought it would be.
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  Speaker 2: Oh okay, it's sour, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But the lactose mellows it out a little bit. I
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  Speaker 1: can just a hair, yeah, I can taste the the
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  Speaker 1: mellowness of it.
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  Speaker 2: It's very tart, very sour.
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  Speaker 1: The grape is there for sure, and I didn't grow
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  Speaker 1: up in the hood, but I think grape drink is
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  Speaker 1: like basically grape juice with vodka in it.
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  Speaker 2: Oh. I always thought grape drink was just like grape
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  Speaker 2: kool aid.
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  Speaker 1: Or maybe it's grape kool aid with vodka in it.
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  Speaker 1: I don'tkay, I think there's alcohol involved, Okay, but yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I could be wrong, and I don't honestly. The cotton
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  Speaker 1: candy is there, but it's very subtle.
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  Speaker 2: Probably more just in it's pretty sweet. It's got that
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  Speaker 2: sweet and sour vibe going. Yeah. I think the lactose
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  Speaker 2: is necessary area to kind of tone it down just
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  Speaker 2: a little bit, but it's still very sweet. It's a
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  Speaker 2: candy beer. It's a sour candy beer too.
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  Speaker 1: It's definitely sour. It's got kind of that like vinegary
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  Speaker 1: vibe a little bit in the background. That's where the
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  Speaker 1: bite comes in, kind of the like carbonated bite that
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  Speaker 1: you get like when you drink a sprite or something. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but overall, I'm not like, I don't hate it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't hate it either. It was more sweet
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  Speaker 2: than I thought it would be, which I don't know
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  Speaker 2: why it wouldn't be super sweet cotton candy and everything.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, if you're looking for like a
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  Speaker 2: candy beverage, like a nice sweet dessert beverage like this
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  Speaker 2: might be up your alley. I will gladly finish all
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  Speaker 2: three of them here for me, and I'm not gonna
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  Speaker 2: dislike it at all, but it's probably not one that
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  Speaker 2: I'll go back to time and time again, maybe just
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  Speaker 2: every once in a while.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, it's good. It's different. It's a change of
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  Speaker 1: pace from the ambers and the I pas and the
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  Speaker 1: stuff that we usually gravitate towards. So good work on
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  Speaker 1: picking out a unique one. All right, Well, the draft,
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  Speaker 1: we've got to talk about it. Yeah, it was interesting,
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  Speaker 1: kind of like this beer. It wasn't It wasn't maybe
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  Speaker 1: for everybody. There were some questionable moves. There are also
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  Speaker 1: some pretty solid moves. I want to know, just like
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  Speaker 1: off the bat, from A to F, how would you
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  Speaker 1: grade the overall draft, just without getting into the weeds
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  Speaker 1: of all the details of it. Would you give them
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  Speaker 1: an A? Would you give them an F? Somewhere in between?
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  Speaker 1: And is it Rob Brazinski, that's responsible for your letter
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  Speaker 1: grade or someone else something else. I don't know initial.
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  Speaker 2: Thoughts, so I'll give it a personal C plus. And
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  Speaker 2: here's why my initial thought was, I'll give it like
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  Speaker 2: an I for incomplete, Like I don't know yet.
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  Speaker 1: But I feel like the typical that would be a
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  Speaker 1: typical Austin answer.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I always do that. I'm always like, oh, we'll
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  Speaker 2: wait and see. You know, it could be this. It
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  Speaker 2: could be that there's a certain Twin Cities quote unquote
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  Speaker 2: reporter who's always like, well I could see this, or
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  Speaker 2: I could see that, or would they do this? Maybe?
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  Speaker 2: But would they do that? Maybe? You know, I don't
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  Speaker 2: want to be that guy. But yeah, i'll give it
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  Speaker 2: a C plus just because I don't know. We'll talk
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  Speaker 2: about each pick, but to me, there's some picks that
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  Speaker 2: are like, well, didn't see that coming, and there's some pros,
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  Speaker 2: there's some cons. But I think if everything works the
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  Speaker 2: way I see where they're going with it, So if
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  Speaker 2: it works the way they want it to, this could
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  Speaker 2: be a really good pick. And you could say that
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  Speaker 2: about darn near every single pick they made, from their
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  Speaker 2: first round pick to any trade even they made. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I think so far this will truly be one of
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  Speaker 2: the drafts that we we just have to sit and
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  Speaker 2: wait and see how these guys play out, how this
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  Speaker 2: draft affects other players that are already on the team
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  Speaker 2: before the draft, how the trades that were made that
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  Speaker 2: I has made three trades, how those pan out. So yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I C plus for me, Van, What about you? What
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  Speaker 2: are your thoughts letter grade letter grade wise for this draft?
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  Speaker 1: Admittedly not being you know, the biggest college football guy
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  Speaker 1: and just kind of being I'm definitely a casual fan
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  Speaker 1: when it comes to the draft. I'm not like, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not an expert. And we've we've said that, We've probably
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  Speaker 1: said that for the last three years.
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  Speaker 2: We've done this, say that every year until unless and
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  Speaker 2: until one of us actually suddenly becomes an expert. Like,
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  Speaker 2: we'll just keep saying.
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  Speaker 1: But I believe I texted you something to the effect of, like,
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  Speaker 1: I just want them to make the big, splashy picks
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  Speaker 1: that I wanted them to make, and they make them,
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  Speaker 1: and so in terms of my expectations, they were largely unmet.
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  Speaker 1: I gotta go like a D, all right, just not
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  Speaker 1: minus or plus, just a straight up D. It could
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  Speaker 1: have been worse, but it could have been way way
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  Speaker 1: better in my opinion, And again, you know, you're you're
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  Speaker 1: wise to say, we got to wait and see how
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  Speaker 1: it all plays out. And who knows, maybe some of
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  Speaker 1: these players are, you know, the next big thing in
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  Speaker 1: the league. And maybe the Brisness really knew what he
• 11:31
  Speaker 1: was doing, and he and Koc were in lockstep with
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  Speaker 1: each pick and they know things that everybody else doesn't
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  Speaker 1: know in the league. I don't know. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: It's tough to know at this point. But just like
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  Speaker 1: initial reaction, I'm gonna give it a straight D. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm happy to go into some of the details of
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  Speaker 1: why that is as we talk.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I like it. So we're we're both kind of
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  Speaker 2: wait and see, if not slightly disappoint from an excitement standpoint,
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  Speaker 2: which I think is fair. There's nothing wrong with that.
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  Speaker 2: We're not sitting here crapping on the draft just because
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  Speaker 2: they didn't trade up for number three overall to get
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  Speaker 2: Jeremiah Love. We're not sitting here screaming at people and
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  Speaker 2: burning jerseys because they traded away Jonathan Gernard. Doesn't mean
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  Speaker 2: we're happy about every move they made, but I think
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  Speaker 2: we're taking a mature approach. I did say a tweet
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  Speaker 2: that I thought was pretty interesting, and I didn't do
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  Speaker 2: any verification to see if these these facts were correct.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm just gonna take it as fact.
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  Speaker 1: Until on the internet of this fact.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so if this is wrong in any way, comment
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  Speaker 2: let me know. Tell me how big of a douf
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  Speaker 2: as I am. But this tweet, Evan is from at
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  Speaker 2: Viking's news skull VNS media and they said the average
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  Speaker 2: Minnesota Viking is twenty twenty six draft pick, which was
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  Speaker 2: nine players. And here's three facts about the whole class.
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  Speaker 2: Each player is on average twenty two point nine years old,
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  Speaker 2: they spent four point nine years in college, and they
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  Speaker 2: played forty eight career college games. And then it says
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  Speaker 2: six of the nine played fifty or more games in
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  Speaker 2: college than they finished by saying, the Vikings went for
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  Speaker 2: experienced players that can immediately play snaps at the pro level,
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  Speaker 2: which if with that in mind, I think is pretty
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  Speaker 2: pretty wise. I've heard a lot of criticism about JJ
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  Speaker 2: McCarthy and how like he only had I think when
• 13:39
  Speaker 2: we had Dustin Baker on the show a few weeks ago,
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  Speaker 2: just me and Dustin, he mentioned something like, well, JJ
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  Speaker 2: McCarthy and Drake may both had like, you know, very
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  Speaker 2: few games as a starter, whereas like Caleb Williams had
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  Speaker 2: so many games as a starter. So like he was
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  Speaker 2: talking about their college experience and how many actual games
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  Speaker 2: they played. So I think people underestimate the value of
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  Speaker 2: a college player and how many game days they've had,
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  Speaker 2: especially as a starter. So when I saw that tweet,
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  Speaker 2: it kind of made me feel good about the draft
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  Speaker 2: class as a whole. For the Vikings, these aren't guys
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  Speaker 2: that came on strong and they played ten college games
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  Speaker 2: and they really flashed, and now they are all of
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  Speaker 2: a sudden going from playing ten college games to now
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  Speaker 2: they're with the big boys. Like, these guys have some experience,
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  Speaker 2: and I think there's a lot of.
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  Speaker 1: Value in that. I would maybe counter that slightly with
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  Speaker 1: a few points. Number One, if this VNS media account
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  Speaker 1: is stating that the all of the draftees were twenty
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  Speaker 1: two point nine years old on average, that's probably right now, right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's probably in the wake of the draft, So by
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  Speaker 1: the time we get to the season, that easily bumps
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  Speaker 1: up to twenty three year older, which doesn't seem like
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  Speaker 1: a significant change, but something that's been a critique of
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  Speaker 1: this Vikings roster for the last year is how old
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: it's been. And so I'm just playing Devil's advocate a
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  Speaker 1: little bit. I'm not saying that, oh, twenty three years
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  Speaker 1: old on average is the worst thing in the world.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not saying that, But I'm just trying to look
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  Speaker 1: at it from a different perspective, like, could they have
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  Speaker 1: drafted slightly younger, Could they be more like twenty two
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  Speaker 1: point zero instead of twenty two point nine, gotten a
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  Speaker 1: little bit more raw, fresh young talent rather than say,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Caleb Banks, who's pretty banged up coming into
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: the draft right like, and we'll talk about him, I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure at length then a little bit. But I would
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  Speaker 1: also add that the four point nine years in college,
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: we're still kind of in this weird twilight zone of
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: extended eligibility due to COVID.
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  Speaker 2: I'm really glad you mentioned that.
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  Speaker 1: All this other stuff. So I think in years to come,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to see that number dip back down closer
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  Speaker 1: to the traditional four years, and maybe even like down
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  Speaker 1: under four, because I think for a while it was
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  Speaker 1: under four for I know in other sports it's easily
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  Speaker 1: under for like basketball and baseball, Like, these kids don't
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  Speaker 1: stay in college for very long. They declare for the draft,
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  Speaker 1: and then they're in their respective pro leagues very very early.
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  Speaker 1: The NFL is kind of the anomaly that way, but
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised, especially in the age of nil,
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  Speaker 1: where we see an average under four. If we get
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  Speaker 1: down to like this was probably ten years from now,
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  Speaker 1: five years from now, but I could see that dipping
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  Speaker 1: under four, and players then are weighing the option is
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  Speaker 1: it worth staying in college and getting what I can
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  Speaker 1: get wherever I can get it, or is it worth
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  Speaker 1: declaring for the draft a year early because I think
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: you still have to play three years in college before
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  Speaker 1: you can.
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  Speaker 2: There's it's something about I think the draft, the specific
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  Speaker 2: rule has more to do with how long you've been
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  Speaker 2: out of high school, which for me either like two
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: or three years out of high school. So you sometimes
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  Speaker 2: see guys that never played college football, but they've been
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: out of high school for long enough.
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  Speaker 1: So anyways, I think that number is an interesting number.
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  Speaker 2: Two to point out, although you mentioned nil, Sorry, I'm
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: gonna butt in really quick, an il. I think, in
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  Speaker 2: my mind could lengthen college.
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  Speaker 1: It could for sure.
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  Speaker 2: I think somebody said Carson Beck, who was drafted in
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  Speaker 2: the third round to the Cardinals, is taking like a
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: four million dollar pay cut this coming season compared to
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  Speaker 2: what he made in college through nil last season. And
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's just some of these guys. You might
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  Speaker 2: see somebody who's an obvious number one overall pick, maybe
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: he'll leave early. But if there's a guy who's like,
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  Speaker 2: maybe he's a borderline fourth round pick, but he's making
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  Speaker 2: a million dollars in college, like why not stay in
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: college anyways?
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  Speaker 1: But to that, I would say, like the guys that
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: stay the full four years or maybe even extended out
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  Speaker 1: to five if they can get that red shirt or whatever,
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  Speaker 1: those are gonna be the guys I would expect to
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  Speaker 1: be the ones that don't have a career beyond college football,
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  Speaker 1: so they're gonna milk the system for everything it's worth,
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  Speaker 1: try to get as much money as they can while
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: they're in college, and then you know, go be a doctor,
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: or go be a lawyer, or go be a whatever,
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: a teacher, a gym owner, grocery store work or whatever.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: So I don't know that number specifically, four point nine
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: years in college will be really interesting to see how
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: if that fluctuates over time? And I'd be interested to know, like,
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: just in general, this draft class as a whole, all
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: two hundred some picks, what is the average time spent
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: in college and then how has that fluctuated? How has
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: that changed over time? That would be interesting. The last
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: stat they bring up is the number of college games
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: they played, And this tweet seems to brag about the
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: fact that six out of nine of the players that
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: the Vikings draft had played fifty plus games. But I
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: would again maybe argue the other side of that and say, well,
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: you have players like Caleb Banks who are banged up
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: because of playing so much, and are you getting the
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: cream of the crop or are you getting sloppy seconds? Right?
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: And I don't use that term lightly, And maybe that's
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: a good transition for us to talk about the number
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: one pick for the Vikings in this draft, eighteenth overall
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: first round er, Kayleb Banks, Like, are the Vikings getting
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: sloppy seconds here? Is he going to be worth it?
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: And is he going to be healthy enough to be
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: a contributor long term?
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: That's a good question, and I have I was kind
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: of concerned about that a little bit, but I've chosen
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: to take this mindset. We've got several decision makers for
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: the Vikings that who are they're in a weird spot.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: They'd still currently have an interim GM, although literally any
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: day we could hear the Vikings have signed either Rob
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Razinski to be the permanent GM or some of the
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: other names that have come up in the last few
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: days that are intriguing, notably the Eagles assistant GM, who's
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: apparently highly regarded. I for already forgot his name, but anyways,
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: my point is you've got these guys Kevin O'Connell, Brian Flores,
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: who apparently had a lot of decision making ability in
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: the draft as well, and then Rob Razinski, who they've
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: got a lot of power and a lot of you know,
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: weight on their shoulders. They went on and they tried
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: to swing for the fences and are willing to stake
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: their jobs on the reports that they were getting from
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: doctors who say that Caleb Banks is apparently going to
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: be just fine this injury once it heals up, apparently
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: according to the doctors, not some like regular athletic trainer
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: or physicians assistant or whatever. These are apparently doctors that
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: they've talked to I guess the injury he had and
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: evaluating him specifically, if he heals upright, he should be
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: just fine. So my mindset is it's their job on
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: the line, and they still made this decision. Who am
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: I some dude in your basement to get to the
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: point where I'm actually like upset about it to question
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: it that much. And that's kind of part of why
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: I gave the draft a C plus is there's a
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: lot of these guys where it's like, all right, we'll
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: just have to wait and see and the cream will
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: rise to the top and we'll see who was right,
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: and hopefully, hopefully Razinski and Kevin O'Connell and Brian flore
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: As we're right.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: It's a foot injury for Caleb Banks. Yeah, it's something
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: like one of his metatarsals.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, something like his pinky toe, but like mid foot.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: So if you're watching the podcast or put in my hand,
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: it's like up in his foot. That was a break,
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: and apparently it happened he had some foot injury in
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty five that I guess it was a similar
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: one and he was told like, hey, you should have
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: surgery to repair this and then you'll be good. Then
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: was advised, now you're good, you can keep playing. So
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: he didn't have surgery, and then it bothered him a while.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: And then hearing the combine, he's like warming up for
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: the forty or something, excuse me. And to hear him
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: talk about it, he was wearing cleats that were too
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: small or more geared to run fast to get a
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: better forty time, and I guess he was preparing and
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: just felt it pop. So he calls it a freak accident.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: The vikings and the doctors that they're choosing to listen
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: to call it. As long as he heels right, he'll
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: be perfectly fine. So that's where I'm at. Just trust
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: the trust of the doctors, trust the process.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: And the D grade that I gave them indicates that
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: I'm definitely not as optimistic as you are. I'm a
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: running coach. I understand a little bit more than the
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: average person about the mechanics and the physics behind running.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: I don't claim to be an expert, but I do
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: know that a defensive tackle six five or something, an
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: interior lineman is going to put an enormous amount of
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: force into the ground with his feet when he plans
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: his foot and drives into the offensive lineman on the
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: other side of the ball. So I'm concerned about that,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: and I'm concerned that he was the eighteenth overall pick
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: in round one. Now you've listed to here on our outline,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: and we can't not talk about it. He was included
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: in our draft. In fact, you did a mock draft.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: I did a mock draft, and we collectively did a
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: mock draft live together on the show last week. He
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: was the only player out of any of those mock
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: drafts that actually ended up drafted by the Vikings, but
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: he was picked by us in that collective draft. I
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: think right that we did live in the second round
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: and the Vikings took Dylan Daneman in the first roundraft
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: in our mock draft. And I think that's what bothers
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: me most about this whole pick is dan was still
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: on the board. He was at that point and arguably
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: was the better pick, the better available player. Not that
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: best available is the end all be all, but he
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: was healthy. He, especially his freshman year, balled out in college.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: We looked at his stats last week. He was a
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: really good player. Freshman year was great. The other two
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: years were good, fantastic, But there's a ton of potential there.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: He could have been maybe the Harrison Smith replacement that
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: we've been hoping for. And let's not forget to the
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: let's not forget the fact that that guy went to
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: the Bears. So now he's a division arrival, and so
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: I just see a whole lot of things wrong with that.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: And I don't know, maybe the front office sees it differently.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Maybe they're like, no, we're confident, we're good. We got
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: our guy. He's gonna be healthy. I sure hope that's
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: the case, but at least in this moment with you know,
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: I don't know, four or five days removed from the draft,
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: I'm still a little bitter about it. I'm still a
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: little frustrated. I'm still a little upset, and I'm gonna
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: stick with my d for now. And this is a
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: big reason why.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: So I mean it is I'm glad you mentioned it. Fiedeman,
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: who was mocked to the Vikings in just about every
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: serious mock draft I ever saw. He did go number
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: twenty five overall right to the Bears. So we'll get
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: a first row seat of or maybe a second row
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: seat to see, like, how good the Eneman turns out
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: in the NFL. It's something a lot of Vikings fans
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: will keep watching, just the same way a lot of
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: US Vikings fans always look and see how Kyle Hamilton
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: is doing because of the whole just whiff of the
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Lewis scene pick, even though Kyle Hamilinston was available before
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: Quacy traded away his first first overall pick. You mentioned
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: also another term best player available. And as we go
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: through the rest of the draft, I really think because
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: some of these picks kind of confused me as they
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: were happening, like why would they take that position? Or
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: like why aren't they taking a center? Like what's going on?
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: But I really think after the draft is now done
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: and seeing all the information we've seen ever since, and
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: hearing the quote unquot experts talking about all these picks
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: ever since, I think the Vikings had their draft board
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: and for the most part, stuck to that board and
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: if it came up to where you know, came up
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: to their pick and the big Citrus, the defensive linemen
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: out of Iowa State, Doique Dominique Orange is up there
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: and he's the first the top of their most their
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: best players available, even though they took a defensive lineman
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: in the first round. They just said, you know what,
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: let's do it. And yeah, it filled a need to
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: because the Vikings did let go of the two defensive
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: linemen who were supposed to save the front of the
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: defense from last year in Jonathan Allen and Javon Hargrave.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I think a lot of these picks really
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: ended up being well, shoot, that must be the guy
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: that's on the top of their draft board at the time,
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: so they must be purely doing a best player available.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Could be. I will say the Big Citrus has to
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: be my favorite pick of the draft, Caleb Banks being
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: my least favorite. Interesting the Big Citrus Dominique Orange, Iowa State.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: That was a fun pick Iowa State. Obviously, we're from Iowa.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: It's fun to see in Iowa college graduate make it there.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: I don't think he's from Iowa. If he is, that's
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: even more awesome. But his name is just yeah sweet,
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: and I can get behind a nickname like the Big Citrus,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: and I think, truthfully it was a good pick, like
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: third round eighty second. Overall, he's a defensive lineman, he's big,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: and they needed some big guys to plug up the
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: middle of the defensive line and he'll do just that.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: So if Caleb Banks turns out to be good, to
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: my surprise, I think he will.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: I think unless that injury really nags on him, like
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: they were saying, and if you watch the highlights, KOs
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: was saying, I think we really got a top ten
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: talent in Caleb Banks. And if you watch the highlights,
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: the guy is a monster. Yeah when he's healthy. Yeah,
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: when he's healthy. That's the biggest thing. You can't make
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: the play if you're on the sideline. So if he's healthy,
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: I think we're all gonna be very happy to have
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: Caleb Banks on this team.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: And I hope he's healthy, and I hope that all
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: of the force that he's putting into the ground on
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: that foot play after play, rep after rep, in practice
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: and then OTAs and in training camp, and those preseason
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: games that he's inevitably going to play in to prove himself,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: and then those regular season games that he gets into,
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: like the proof will be in the pudding there. Can
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: he withstand the pressure of all that? Otherwise he's gonna
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: be up there with the Lewis scenes and the the
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: Christian ponders, and you know, the biggest draft busts in history.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: Like that's where we're headed. We're going into one of
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: the two extremes.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: Before we move on to talk about Jake Golday Goldie Golday,
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: the second round pick. I just I do want to
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: bring up two injury concerns. They are a concern because
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: we don't know what the future holds. But I will
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: say and another time, the Vikings selected best player available
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: when they already had a guy at that position who
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: was borderline a Pro Bowl guy. The year before two
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: thousand and seven, they picked Adrian Peterson number seven overall.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: And I know this is one example, it's not the norm,
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: but if you remember coming out of college, Adrian Peterson
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: was entering the NFL with a broken collarbone, I believe,
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: and so that was a huge concern. People are saying, like,
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: this powerful running back is going to have this collarbone
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: injury and that could derail his whole career. It's why
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: he dropped all the way to seven. He would have
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: gone higher than seven that year, and he proved the
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: rest of his career that he's a Hall of Fame
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: type player. So injury concerns are not to be made light.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: But it's it goes to show that not every time
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: a player is hurt coming into the NFL, does that
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: mean he's going to be hurt for his entire career.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: We'll just have to wait and see. And I'm choosing
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: to be optimistic, cautiously optimistic about Kileb Banks because I
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: don't think there's any question if healthy, phenomenal football player,
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: scary football player.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: Well, and the other thing that I know, and we
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: can just cap our conversation about him with this. The
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: other thing I know about an injury, especially an injury
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: to a very key component to an athlete success, is
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: that sometimes not all the time, but sometimes they're never
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: the same yep. Right, And he might have tweaked it
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: in that one rep at the draft or not the draft,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: the combine, and he could be afraid to put that
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: same type of pressure in that same exact way into
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: the ground and that may forever change. Right. It's the
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: smallest little thing, but it could make the biggest difference
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: with that player. So I'm still gonna stand pat. I'm
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: still not super excited about it, especially knowing who was
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: on the board when the Vikings picked. I hope I'm wrong.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: I hope that you know I hope he turns out
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: to be healthy and awesome, and hopefully he and the
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: Big Citrus are like the next Williams Wall and they
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: just plug up the middle of that defensive line and
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: it's like, We've got ten amazing years of great interior
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: defensive line play out of those guys. That would be
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: amazing and I'd love it.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: So the second round, the Vikings they did have, I believe,
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: the forty ninth overall pick, but they traded back a
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: couple with the Panthers to gain I think they ended
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: up gaining like a seventh round pick in the deal,
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: but ultimately they picked fifty first overall, a Cincinnati linebacker,
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: Jake I'm gonna say Golda until until I hear a
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: correction on that. I don't know who said this. It
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: was either Ben Leeber or Dustin Baker, but they essentially
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: said that Golday is the next Andrew van Ginkle, which
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: is crazy. That's high praise. Van Ginkle is an all
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Pro type player. So if Jake Golday can turn into that,
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: oh my goodness, that that bridges another gap and that
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: solves a linebacker situation for a long time. I know
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: nothing about him. I haven't even watched highlights, but apparently
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: a lot of people were really excited about him. And
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: he's the third Cincinnati linebacker on the Vikings. Right now
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: you got Golda, you have Ivan Pace Junior, and then
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: Eric Wilson, who all were linebackers. Linebacker, Yeah, I guess,
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: but yeah, I'm again choosing to be cautiously optimistic about
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: that pick. What do you think about that one?
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: Similar I don't really know too much about him or Cincinnati.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: If it's true, that's awesome that, you know, we could
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: basically have the mentor and the mentee on the same team,
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: and Andrew Van Ginkle could kind of raise him up
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: in the way he should go. And then when it's
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: time for ABG to retire, we got Jake Golday. He's
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: the next man in and boom, We've just got this
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: like pick six machine that's you know, coming off the
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: edge and making plays left and right. It'd be awesome.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: I'd love it. Other than that, I don't know too much.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: I'm not super upset with this pick. Everything that I've
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: read and seen seems to be positive about Jake Golday,
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: and you referenced it. A lot of good linebackers come
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: out of Cincinnati so you gotta feel good about that too.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: And linebacker was I think a need for the Vikings
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: going into the draft. Maybe not the highest need, but
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: they must have kind of weighed the options and felt
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: like he was a good get at that particular point
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: in the draft. So I'm okay with that pick for sure.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: We kind of already talked about the Big Citrus eighty
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: second overall third round pick, Dominique Orange. Yeah, I think
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: he's just going to be a good addition to the
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: d line, especially. I think they needed to address that
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: position a lot, since they recognized that they kind of
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: whiffed on the two free agents that they signed last
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: year to plug up the line. So yeah, I'm glad
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: that they addressed it. This is the one that first
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: kind of raised my eyebrows to be like, what are
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: they doing? I thought maybe they'd be looking at centers
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: by now. I'm kind of if you can't tell, I'm
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: kind of like salty that they didn't draft a center
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: pretty high, but that's when I was like, they just
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: must be doing best player available to the best of
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: their ability. So Big Citrus, I'm a fan. I don't
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: know he should do well.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they had two other third round picks, which was interesting.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: Three third rounders and the next two are back to
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: back ninety seventh and ninety eighth overall tackle Caleb Tiernan
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: out of Northwestern and safety Jacobe Thomas out of Miami.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: I think one turns out to be good, and I
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: think one turns out to be meh.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: All right, Yeah, I think people are saying Caleb Tiernan
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: might be the biggest reach the Vikings had in the draft. Again,
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: I don't know too much about him.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: I know he.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: Seems to be the same height and similar size to
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: Brian O'Neill, and Brian O'Neil's a big dude, so that's
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: that's probably a good thing. I do know it's good
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: for O line depth and maybe taking him kind of
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: frees up other players to fill that center role without
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: having to become depth at other positions. It does seem
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: like Blake Brandell is going to be given every opportunity
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: to be the starting center, which apparently he did pretty well,
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: and that takes him out of the sixth offensive lineman
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: role that he's kind of been filling a little bit
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: the last few years. So yeah, if you can add
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: depth and big dudes up front, like that's that's never
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: a bad thing. And then Jacoby Thomas. Somebody pointed out
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: that in the playoffs I believe college football playoffs, at
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: one point, first overall pick Fernando Mendoza took a really
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: big hit ended up like splitting his lip open. No
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: flag was called, and I remember that, and I remember
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: people being like, what the heck these refs aren't you know,
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: they're not calling anything. Well, that hit came from liking
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: safety Jacoby Thomas, so apparently he's a hard hitter and
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: and kind of a nasty football player in a good way.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: I saw a highlight where he I don't know if
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: he picked up a fumble or he made an interception
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: and he was running to the end zone and an
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: offensive player was like running trying to tackle him before
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: he scored, and he kind of like pointed the offensive
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: player and was like, all right, come on, come here,
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: and then initiated contact with that player before he scored. So, yeah,
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: this guy seems like he's kind of a maniac on
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: the field, which hopefully is a good thing and not
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: like a Kirby Joseph dirty player thing. But yeah, I'm
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: kind of excited about Jacoby Thomas for sure.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: And that pic was also another surprise in the draft
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: because that pick came as a result of the Jonathan
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: Grenard trade, and to me, that was also one of
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: the biggest reasons why I graded this draft in the
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: D category. And I texted you right away. I was
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: out of town, actually, I was watching it from a
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: restaurant and some of the people I was with were like, Hey,
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: the Vikings just traded away Jonathan Gernard. And I'm like,
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: for what, because I knew it might happen, and they're
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: like two thirds and I'm like, what, Yeah, two thirds?
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: That doesn't make any sense. And I don't know. I
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: think I texted you right away, like two thirds seems
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: really really cheap for arguably one of the better defensive
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: players in the league. I would have taken two seconds.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: Two second round picks would have been great for a
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: player of that caliber, but two third round picks seemed
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: to be on the cheap end for such a high quality,
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: highly productive player. Yeah, and I want to know what
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: you think about that.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: So I expected at the most, like one second and
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: then maybe like a sixth on top of that in
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: return for Jonathan Garnard. I know a lot of people
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: were like, oh, he's worth a you know, first or
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: first round pick, maybe top twenty pick.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: I just he's maybe not worth that much, but he's
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: still worth quite a bit in my opinion, and I
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: would have, honestly rather have seen them keep him and
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: not gotten the picks than given up the pick.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: So the Vikings gained some things by trading him away.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: They gained this third over or third round pick ninety
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: eight overall, they gained a third round pick next year,
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: which is probably a later pick, and a lot of
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: people are pointing out that this third round pick isn't
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: even really a third round pick because it was like
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: a comp pick and it's essentially a fourth round pick.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: But like it's get over it. It's still a third
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: round pick, and so it's not even really a third
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: round pick anymore. Out of this they got they traded
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: away Jonathan Grenard, and so far they've received Jacoby Thomas
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: as a part of that trade. They've received a third
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: round pick in the twenty twenty seven draft, but they
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: have also freed up what was it like thirty four
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: point something million dollars of cap space between twenty twenty
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: six and twenty twenty seven. I really think, even though
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: it was all professional publicly, I think it must have
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: come down to Grenard and his camp saying he's not
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: playing under that deal. So it was one of those
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: like he's already gone, like he will not play for that,
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: and you lose a certain amount of leverage in that.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: So the Vikings had two choices. They could either try
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: to move things around and pay him a lot when
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: they already have a Dallas Turner behind him who seems
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: to be ready, maybe not to fully fill those shoes
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: right away, but ready to at least earn some starts
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: and earn some playing time. And don't forget Dallas Turner.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: It's not like he's some six round pick that started playing.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: He's a guy they basically traded an entire draft for.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: At some point, you gotta prove whether or not that
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: was worthy. So there's somebody there to backfill. They had
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: just drafted a linebacker in the second round, not the
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: exact same position, but filling that room up a little
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: bit more, and they weren't gonna pay him. They weren't
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: gonna pay him when he wanted to be paid. So
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: they got two thirds and they're freeing up some cap
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: space so whenever they do end up signing somebody like today,
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: there was it was reported that forty nine Ers receiver
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: Juwan Jennings, who is widely considered like a number two
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: wide receiver borderlines starting wide receiver playing well, he's visiting
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: the Vikings as we speak. He could sign by the
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: time you are listening to this podcast right now, and
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: that would be from cap space that is freed up
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: by getting rid of Jonathan Garnard. The Brisoness did come
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: out and he did say there was one quote he
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: was talking about this trade. He basically said, like, I know,
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: this isn't a trade that made the team better. The
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: Vikings didn't get better by trading away Jonathan Gernard. But
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: he mentioned the team has been spending a lot of
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: money and at some point the cap does get you.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: And it's not a myth, So I think it was
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: one of those. It was a tough deal that they
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: had to make, and two third round picks isn't awful,
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: and it's not like they gave him away or cut
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: him for cap reasons, so at least they got something
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: for it.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I would rather be sitting here saying, man,
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: they got a haul for Jonathan Garnard.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: For his first round pick, you know, like it's just
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: not realistic.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: But rather than saying, well, at least they got something
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: like the dude was a he was a bona fide
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: bartering piece. And I feel like they didn't barter very
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: well and they got they got a reasonable bid, reasonable
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: but not they didn't maximize what they could have gotten.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: And I think that's my point of contention.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: And I'll reiterate something that I heard from Chris Hockey
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: on the Power Trip Morning show, I think yesterday or today.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: He said, you know what I say to people that say,
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: why didn't they get our first round pick for him?
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: Chris Hockey's like, well, I bet they tried. I bet
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: they tried to get more for him. It's not like
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: Brazinski was like, all right, what are you gonna give
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: and the Eagles were like, well, we'll give a second rounder.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: And Prazinsky didn't say, like an no, you can bump
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: it down. We don't want that much. Like I bet
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: they tried to negotiate as much as they could. It's
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: just sometimes the deals land where they are. And I mean,
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: Brazinsky is not a dumb person. You know, like if
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: if we're smart enough to think that we know, like, hey,
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: they could have gotten a second rounder for Gernard or
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: a first rounder for Gernard. Brasinsky knows more than you
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: or I will ever know combined.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: It's easy to sit here and play the armchair quarterback,
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: and I get that for sure, But I don't know.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: I would hope that they tried, and I would hope
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: that they you know, shot for the moon, so to
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: speak with that, and you know know, bartered back and forth.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I just I would have hoped for
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: a little bit more.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: Oh absolutely mean too that. And there was a time
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: I was thinking, like, man, they could get a first
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: round pick for Gernard, like he's a good player, but
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: this isn't. That's also to bring it back to a
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: real life scenario, like when you go into a car dealership,
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: those car salesmen, that's what they do for a living.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: Me personally, when I go and negotiate to purchase a car,
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: I do some research and I know a little bit,
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: but like I don't. I'm not a master negotiator and
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: I'm not one that's like, oh I'm they don't shake
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: in their boots when I walk into a car dealership,
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: Rob Brazinski, He's been around football, he's been around these deals.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: He's probably been a part of trades for thirty years.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: He's better served to make an NFL trade than even
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: I am to do something that I'll probably do tens
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: of times in my life in buying a car. So like,
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: at some point you just got to sit back and say, well,
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: his jobs on the line for this, or their jobs
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: are on the line for this. You gotta trust them
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: to make the right deal.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: What do you think about the other picks? There are
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: four more picks the Vikings made, and maybe we can
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: just kind of go rapid fire down them. Round five
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: one and fifty ninth overall full back, but he was
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: also labeled to tight end Max Brettison from Michigan. Round
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: five one hundred and sixty third overall cornerback, Charles Demmings
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: out of Stephen f. Austin, Round six one hundred and
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: ninety eighth overall running back, Demand Claiborne out of Wake Forest,
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: and round seven two hundred and thirty fifth overall center,
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: which is what you were hoping for. Gavin Gearhart no
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: relation to Toby Gerhart. You look it, I looked it
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: up and I saw a few accounts. In fact, they
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: spell it differently. Toby Gerhart doesn't have the D in
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: the last name, and Gavin Gearhart does have a dha
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: r dt Gearhart.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's funny. There might be a listener
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: out there, depending on their age, who doesn't even know
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: who Toby Gerhart is.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: That's true, but we do.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: So. The first of those that you named off the
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: Michigan guy, I thought of Front of the Show Forest immediately.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: I might know. I was with Friend of the Show
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: force for the first round of the draft, but I
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: probably texted him right when they announced this pick, which
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: was a couple of days later. Max Brettison, he is
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: a younger brother to a current NFL player. I think
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: he's got an older brother who plays offensive line for somewhere.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: We currently are internet lists, so we can't look can't
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: look that stuff up right now, but I think it's
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: like a Seahawks offensive lineman who he is the brother of. Anyways,
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: all I heard about him right after the Vikings take
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: took him was that he immediately is trying to fill
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: the role of fullback C. J. Hamm, and everybody was
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: saying without question at all that Max Bredesen was the
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: number one full back in this draft, which I mean,
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: I know full back it's a dying position in the NFL,
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: but I mean we personally witnessed CJ. Hams score a
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: touchdown in his final game against the Packers. They are
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: not valueless, and they can definitely change the course of
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: a running play. They can How many times did we
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: see a passing play where the only running back in
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: the game this season was CJ. Ham because he was
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: able to provide some support in the past blocking game.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: So to lose a guy like CJ. Ham and then
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: to gain a guy who apparently is coming in as
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: the best fullback coming out of college, how can you
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: not be excited about that? Did you look up what
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: I was talking about?
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah? So his brother Ben is a guard for the
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: Ten years Okay, I don't know why I thought Seahawks,
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: but yeah, any any thoughts on Brettison?
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: I was intrigued by it. Again, I mentioned this when
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: we listed him off, that he was listed as a
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: tight end. Yeah, so he kind of plays that weird
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: kind of in between position where he could line up
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: as a tight end. He could line up as a
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: full back, even going way back to like the more
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: traditional plays that we ran when we were playing football,
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: like a flanker type of position. I'm interested to see
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: what he can do. Obviously, we found a ton of
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: value in c J. Ham when the Vikings picked him up,
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: and he added way more than what he did on
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: the field to the organization, which was awesome. He was
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: I think a few times the Walter Payton Man of
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: the Year for the Viking nominee for the team, and
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: I know people that know c. J. Ham like he
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: was just a stand up.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: Get him on this show. Cejay, come on, we want
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: to talk to you man.
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: It's uh yeah, there's a connection there. Maybe work your magic.
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: I'll do what I can, and you know what, the
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: first thing I'll mention him will be thanks for coming on.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: We've been doing this podcast for X amount of years now.
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: In our very first episode, Evan had you as his
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: surprise cut of the off season.
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: You're right, you can bring that up and that won't
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: be false. However, he retired.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: Of he never got cut. Yeah, well he got cut
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: many years before that and then was on the practice squad.
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: But yeah, anyways, but he stayed a Viking his entire career,
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: which is pretty cool. But anyways, I'm excited to see
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: if Max can fill those shoes. They're big shoes to fill.
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: Like you said, the full back position is a dying
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: position in the league, especially in this really offense heavy,
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: pass heavy league. C J. Ham really kind of just
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: made a name for himself as a blocking full that
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: was kind of his thing, and he blocked well in
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: the run game, he blocked well in the passing game.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: If Max can come in and do that and maybe
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: even catch a few passes, you know, do kind of
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: the Kyle Uscheck kind of thing, San Francisco style man,
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: that would be That would be the gravy on top.
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: That would be awesome.
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: And I know you've heard this and probably saw it.
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: Vikings QB one JJ McCarthy was at Brettison's draft party.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: Oh, I Like, I didn't see that.
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: When he was facetiming with the team. JJ McCarthy like
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: jumped in was like, hey, how's it going.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: Well? That makes sense because they played together at Michigan.
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: So I've been seeing a lot of JJ McCarthy's support
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: from players this offseason. So even you know, we talked
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: about it justin Jefferson working out with JJ McCarthy a
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: few times throughout the off season. Anyways, I just thought
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: that was that he was at his draft party.
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: No matter what, that is pretty cool. We still have
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: plenty to get to with undrafted free agents.
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: And oh, I didn't think we would go down the
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: whole line.
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: Well, and we don't have to, but I just think, like,
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: first sake of time, of the three remaining picks now,
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: cornerback Charles Demings, running back to Mont Claiborne, center Gavin Gerhardt,
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: which of those three do you think makes the team,
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: Because it's always interesting to see, especially these late round picks,
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: these late Yeah, I'm being redundant. Who makes the team
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: first of all, and who's a contributor?
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: Well, I know we always talk about how the Vikings
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: dB room needs some more depth, so I wouldn't be
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: surprised to see the fifth round pick Charles Demings make
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: the team. But also when you look at the running
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: back room, you've got Aaron Jones, You've got Jordan Mason,
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: you got Xavier Scott and I don't know, I guess
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: looking at the udfas, I don't know if there's any
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: running backs on there, but outside of those three guys
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: before this draft, I don't I don't remember there being
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: anybody else on the roster. John Owens, oh, okay, the
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: UDFA Okay. So but I'm talking right now about Demand
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: Claiborne out of Wake Forest running back, who admittedly I
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: had never heard his name before, but apparently he's got
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: like four to three speed. I've seen the highlights. Now
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: seems like he is really good at u slowing down
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: and then speeding up really quick, almost like in a
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: very fluid motion. Somebody said Le'Veon Bell was really good
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: at like being patient at the line and then hitting
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: hole and just going, and apparently Claiborne has a similar ability.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: Now he was a six round pick, So I don't
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: want to be like, oh, if Viking's got the next
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: you know, Jeremiah loves you know, backup, you know, Like,
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: I don't want to say he's you know, immediately a starter.
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: But with a guy who's very speedy, people were saying
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: he could be his like highest ceiling is like becoming
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: the next Devon a Chan out of Miami. So I'm
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: kind of interested to see how that goes. But I
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: also on the other side of the coin I remember
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: a couple of years ago who was Dwayne McBride. He
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: was another six to seventh round pick, and I remember
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: seeing Twitter kind of being like, whoa, they got him
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: in the seventh round. I can't believe it. He's actually
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: really good. He'll probably make the team. And then he
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: never never made the team, so I don't even think
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: he really made a practice squad. So yeah, he seems
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: to be the biggest boom or bust of these draft
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: picks for me.
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: McBride definitely flashed in a preseason game because I remember
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: watching it and I'm like, I had similar feelings like, oh, yeah,
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: this guy could really he could be something, and then
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: I don't know, they must have seen something in him
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: and ca practice.
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: Whatever I will say about McBride, I saw like after
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: the draft he did one of those like Vikings Entertainment
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: Network interviews where he sat down with Tatum Everett or
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: whoever it was for two or three minutes, and.
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: The the inarticulated, Yes, the education level between the interviewer
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: and the interviewee they were a little different.
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: So I don't know if it was like he could
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: run really fast but couldn't tell you which color was blue.
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: I think that's kind of where it was with Dwayne McBride.
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: It's just it wasn't there between the years. But I've
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: never heard demand Claiborne speak. I don't haven't heard him
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: in an interview. He's probably a really smart dude, but yeah,
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: So one last question and then let's get to the
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: udfas and just kind of tie up the draft. If
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: the Vikings would have taken a center earlier, would they
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: have gotten a better grade from you, higher than a
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: C plus.
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if it was one of the what three or
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: four guys that we talked about as being like a
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: starter level in the NFL coming out of college, I'm
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: thinking Logan Jones, is it Connor Lou lou N, No,
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: there's a Hawkeye Luell, there's somebody Lou. There was Slaughter,
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: Jake Slaughter that there was a couple guys that were,
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: you know, they were projected as like third ish round picks,
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: but all of them seemed like they could come in
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: and at least be competent starter level players and then
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: of course develop into better and better player. So I
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: was hoping they get at least one of them. If
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: you remember from last week. In my mock draft, I
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: had him taken two of those guys, Logan Jones, and
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: then I don't remember who the first one is, But
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: when did I text you when the Bears picked Logan
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: Jones out of Biowa? I was like, f like this
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: son of it go. And I work with somebody who
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: I was also kind of texting a little bit through
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: the draft, and he's a Bears fan and I texted
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: him too, like dang it, like what you've poached the
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: guy I wanted? And he was like, I thought we
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: just traded for the guy from the Patriots the former
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: Viking to play centers, so I don't even they could
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: have gotten this tight end or something. He was kind
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: of upset.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: About the pick.
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: But yeah, it probably would have been at least a
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: bee for me if they had gotten one of those
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: like NFL ready centers. But it is what it is,
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: and my job's not on the line for this draft.
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: So the people I was with were also Bears fans,
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: and they were also a little frustrated, like why did
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: they take the center when they just got Garrett Bradbury.
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: And I was trying to explain to them, like, well,
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: you didn't really get like, yeah, the greatest center in
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: the world. And I know this from experience, you know,
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: like Garrett Bradbury's a good guy, very cerebral, very smart, went.
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: To Harvard or Yale or wherever he st.
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: He went to n C State. I thought I thought
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: he was a IVY League guy.
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: I know he went to n C State.
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: Okay, well, he's still really smart. We know that about him.
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: But undersized got bowled over in the past game. We
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: saw that happen all the time. So I was just
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: trying to give them some contexts, like this is who
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: you've got right now as your kind of proverbial starting
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: center post draft. So maybe maybe Logan Jones has a
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: chance at making the starting roster for the Bears. I
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: don't know, but no, I agree with you. I think
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: had that pick been a little different, obviously, everybody now
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: knows how I feel about the first pick in the
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: draft for the Vikings, a couple of things would have
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: really swayed this the other way. For me, it just
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: wasn't a good draft. And I hope I'm wrong, and
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: I hope that the Vikings. I hope they get a
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: good haul from from this, and I hope, yeah, I
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: hope I'm embarrassed eventually. That's that's my hope.
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: You hope you're you were so wrong that you're embarrassed.
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: I hope so too, ev.
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: For me.
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: As far as the undrafted guys, those are literally the
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: NFL's equivalent of throwing noodles at the wall and seeing
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: what sticks. Are undrafted guys. Most of the time, undrafted
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: guys never turn out to be anything. Occasionally they do.
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: Occasionally you get an Adam Thielen or uh Diego pavia No.
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: But yeah, occasionally you can hit on udfa's. I think
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: there's some I don't know the exact stat and I
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: can't look it up right now, but the the rate
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: of NFL Hall of Famers for undrafted free agents is
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: very similar to the rate of NFL Hall of Famers
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: for number one overall picks. The caveat to that is
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: there's always like a hundred times more undrafted free agents
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: every year than there are, you know, number one. There's
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: only one number one overall pick every year. So like
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: the statistically that makes sense. But you can find some
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: diamonds in the rough. The only one that kind of
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: kind of made me stop when I was reading the
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: list a little bit was that they signed a punter
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: and they signed who was the punter they signed in
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: free agency this year? Hecker. Yeah, so at least we
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: know there's gonna be a punting competition. And the punter
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: they signed is from He's in the International player pathway,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: so he whether he's on the practice squad or the
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: fifty three man roster, I think I'm pretty sure at
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: least in his rookie yar and this might not be
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: the case for the fifty three man roster, but he
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: won't count. They'll get like an extra player, like a
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: roster exemption for this guy, So I don't know. Maybe
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: maybe he'll stick around. But outside of that, that's the
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: only thing I know about him is that he's a punter.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: His name's Brett, and he is in the international player pathway.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: But yeah, outside of that, I don't have anything for
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: any of these UKFA guys.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: Can I tell you my favorite thing about this list
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: of u DFAs, What's that there's some really good names
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: on this list? All right? Can we just go down
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: the line here. Let's start with Davon Armstead D A
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: apostrophe V E A w N.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: He's got a nice.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: Dave Von's that's a that's a great name right there. Yeah.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: Cornerback out of North Texas, Jordan Batelho. I don't even
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: know if I'm pronouncing that right.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: There's an h O at the end of it.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: B O t E l h O. Never seen that
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: one before. Outside linebacker from Notre Dame. Uh. Monkel good wine.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's a good name.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: That's a great name right there.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: That's a football player name right there, and it's probably Goodwin,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: but I like good wine better good wine.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it just sounds good. Uh. And not to be
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: outdone by Shalik nots k n O T t s Yeah.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: Uh and shalik that's an interesting way.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: And that one's probably like shalaek how he pronounces it
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: or something like that.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: This next one, I know you're going this this this
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: guy will be a Viking. I'm just gonna tell you
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: this right now.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: It's a hockey name.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: This this guy will be a Viking. He will be
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: a Viking. And it's not just his name, but it's
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: also where he went to college. Delby Lemieux, offensive lineman
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: from Dartmouth.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: Dartmouth, we're talking.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: We were talking about IVY League guys earlier. There's your
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: Ivy League guy, and I don't know if he's from
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: the United States. I don't know if he's a like
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: if he.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: Wasn't, he'd be a international game.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: But but maybe he has like hit Lemieux, that's like
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: French Canadian.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I say w Lemieux is the perfect
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: like hockey player name.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: But that's that's just a sweet name. Yeah, Delbi Lemu.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: There's two more on here that I like.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: Okay, let's see if they're the same. The The next
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: one on my list was Scooby Williams. Okay, like, how
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: can you argue with Scooby?
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: Maybe a nickname but still kind of like kool aid McKinstry.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: That's a nickname, but still yeah, Scooby.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: He's known by that name and his name is Scooby.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: Were all Scoobs? And then I mean it's not quite that,
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: but I like Arden arden Walker.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: Arden Walker. Yeah. An honorable mention for me would be
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: Luke why Song. Yeah, there you go out of Arizona,
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: w Y s O n G Y song. Some some
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: really good names there on the Vikings U d f
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: A list.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: All right, if you are Davion Monkel, Shellaic Delby, Arden
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: or Scooby come on the show. We want to talk
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: to you. We want to hear your your draft process
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: and what it was like to sign with a Viking.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: And if either of us mispronounced your name.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: I hope we mispronounced it, please correct us, because we
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: are definitely wrong on at least one of them.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: So, all right, So the Vikings made quite a few trades,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: three three different trades in this draft. If you were
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: just grading the trades, not the picks themselves, not the
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: players that they got in this draft, but the trades themselves,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: what are you giving them letter grade wise?
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: M I don't know. It's probably a solid mmm.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: Was it better or worse than the overall draft?
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: It's probably a solid C. But that's more of like
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: it was nothing they did was like wrong, unless you're
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: you're thinking trading Grenard away is wrong. But to me,
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: nothing they did was wrong. It was just like some
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: of the stuff lay yeah, and it was okay. They
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: only made three trades. I think there was like forty
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: trades throughout the entire draft, which included like pre draft trades,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: including these picks. But yeah, none of them were like
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: like obvious fleeces. Now, again that's the caveat of assuming
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: you're like me and you don't think the Grenard trade
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: was some massive offensive trade that they made, but which
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: I think, yeah, and that's fine, that's I can understand
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: thinking that. But to me, it's not like, I mean,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: I can see the big picture on that, not saying
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: you can't see the big picture, but to me, it's
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: not as offensive to me. But yeah, I mean, the
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: first trade they made was with the Panthers. They moved
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: back from forty nine to fifty one, and they gained well,
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: they kind of downgraded one pick by what two spots
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: and in return, yeah, they gave away they also traded
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: away the one hundred and ninety sixth pick, but they
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: got one hundred and fifty ninth pick in return, So
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: moving up what forty seven spots in return for moving
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: down to I mean, that's one of those if you
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: if they're on the phone and they're talking to the Panthers, like, hey,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: who are you gonna take? And it's a player they
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: know they they're not gonna take, but they know they've
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: got a couple guys that are right around there. It's
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: one of those like ah, we can gain a round
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: of value in one of our picks by moving back
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: and probably still getting our guy. I can respect that.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: The next trade they made was the Grenard trade, where
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: they traded Grenard and then a seventh rounder number two
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: forty four in exchange for two third round picks, one
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: this year and one next year. And I'm not gonna
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: fault you if you're upset about that. It's not making
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: me lose sleep. But if you're a fan out there,
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: if you're Evan and you hate that trade, I get
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: It's I can see why you'd be upset about it
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: because he's an all pro level player and you let
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: him go for two thirds, but a little bit less
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: than two thirds because you also gave up a seventh
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: And then the final pick or final trade they made
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: was in the sixth round. They this is the one
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: where they actually traded up. They traded number two thirty
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: four and a sixth round pick next year in order
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: to upgrade to pick one ninety eight with the Patriots.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: And I who did they get with that one ninety
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: eight was that the Max Bredeson. No, that was demand Claiborne.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: So that was one where they knew, okay, Claiborne is
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: still there. He's the highest on our draft board, but
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: there's no way he's getting up to us, making it
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: to us to our next pick. How can we get
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: to him? So I can respect that one a lot too,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: even trading away a sixth rounder next year. Sixth round
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: seventh round picks are the same as udfas it's thrown
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: stuff against the wall and seeing what sticks. So I
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: can respect it where they made that decision, like we
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: need to get our guy, and if he works out, awesome.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: If he doesn't, it only cost him a six round
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: pick to upgrade one of their other picks, so they're fine.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: None of these trades were crazy. They didn't. They didn't
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: do anything crazy to me. What about you? What do
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: you think?
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean I would give it maybe slightly better
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: than the overall drafts because some of their picks were
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: not picks as a result of a trade, So I'd
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: maybe give it a CNS For the trades that they made.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: They got some good value in some of their picks,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: but I feel like they also gave up a lot
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: of good value in Jonathan Grenard and that balances that
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: out for me. So I don't know proof will be
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: in the pudding. Right. Did they get maximum value for
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: Jonathan Garnard remains to be seen. Did they make the
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: right call in trading up to get that running back
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: at one in the sixth round and give up the
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: pick that they had this year plus the next year
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: sixth round pick. You know, you got to look at
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: like some of the best players to come out of
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: the draft were late round picks. Tom Brady was a
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: seventh round pick? Was he not sid sixth round pick?
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: And and brock Party was mister irrelevant? He was the
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: last overall pick.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: You're also cherry picking some of Adam cherry crazis. But like, but,
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: like I said earlier.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: They were super successful players that were picked very late
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: in the draft and proved everybody wrong. So I'm I'm
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: just trying to make the point that, like, you've got
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: to see value in every pick that you have. And
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe I'm a little bit more conservative
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: in thinking, like instead of banking all of my hope
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: on future years, I'm gonna take what I can get now, right,
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna maybe it is best available, or maybe it
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: is best available on my board, not just best overall available,
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: or maybe it's I don't know, maybe there is some
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: value I can gain in a trade, and I can
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: really maximize that. And I'm not saying swindle somebody out
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: of something else. I'm not even saying fleece somebody out
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: of something, but like, maximize value. Right, there's business to
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: be done there. And it's not that you're it's not
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: that you're stealing from another team. You're just you're doing
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: what's best for your organization at that moment. And I
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: felt like the trades that were made in this draft
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: were on the conservative side, and conservative because they they
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: seemed to favor the other team rather than the Vikings.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, excuse me, maybe that's a little short sided
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: to me. I don't know.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, three trades is not a ton, But
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: I also don't think teams end up trading a ton
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: more than three every year. I think where where teams
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: get the value in these trades is not so much
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: in like, oh, in these picks that we swapped with
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: each other. I got more value out of these picks
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: than you did out of those picks, because I think
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: all of these teams have their own their own value
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: for what each pick is worth. Where the real value
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: comes is when you put names to them. So this
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: Jonathan Grenard pick, Yeah, they got two third round picks,
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: which is interesting, it's it's fun to look at that,
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: but then you know this time next year, we're gonna
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: be sitting saying, oh, after this this third round pick
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: that they got for next year as well, we will
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: say like, oh, for the for trading away Jonathan Gernard,
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: the Vikings got some cap space. They got Jacoby Thomas
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: is that his name? For the third rounder that they
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: traded for, and then they got player x's name who
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: they ended up picking with the Eagles third round pick
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: next year. So we will have a tangible like, Okay,
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: they got rid of this guy and they gained these
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: two guys, and we'll know, like we could be sitting
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: here saying like, oh my gosh, they got this Hall
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: of famer for trading away. This all pro but they
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: got a Hall of famer, two Hall of famers, or
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: more likely we'll be saying like, oh, they got like
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: one guy who started well and played okay, but then
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: another guy who never did anything. Like it's different when
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: you attach names to it, but you say, like when
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: other teams like fleece other teams. I think, like I
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: was trying to get at, every team has what they
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: set as the value of the first overall pick, of
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: the number two overall pick, of the third overall, like
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: they know to them and probably around the league. What's
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: the is it? The Cowboys coach the Jimmy Jerry Jones
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: Jerry Jones like chart, so like they know, like, oh,
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: the third round pick, the fifth pick in the third
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: round is worth X amount of points. So if I
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: want that, I need to give up these picks which
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: add up to X amount of points. It's where you
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: have to trust as a team, your scouting department and
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: know like, okay, we know this pick is worth x
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: amount of points. But if we can get there, we
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: can get this player, and we have this player valued
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: so much higher than that, so we're willing to give
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: up a little bit more. And maybe on ESPN they're
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: gonna say like, oh, they gave up all these picks
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: for this one guy who he's probably not anything. But
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: if a team believes in that one guy, that's where
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: these scouts have a job for reason. These gms have
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: a job for a reason, and we get the luxury
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: of drinking beer and talking about it on the Internet
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: for tens of people to listen to.
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you who I believe in. His name's Delby, Delby, Lemieux, Delby.
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  Speaker 2: I hope he speaks French.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: I believe I believe in that guy. The name alone,
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: and the fact that he went to Dartmouth just he
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: screams successful Viking. Who was that Matt Burke that went
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: Ivy League?
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: He went to Harvard?
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: He went to Harvard.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: We almost need to like play that like commercial right here.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: We won't because we don't own the rights to it.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: But the one where the little kid in the classroom
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: walks up at Burke, where does lightning come from? And
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: I just described this whole commercial like two weeks ago,
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: but he goes on this whole rant of the scientific
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: way of I think it's lightning, and the kids like,
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: doesn't it come from this guy? That's just like yeah,
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: And it's Matt Burke. He went to Harvard. I don't
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: remember what the ad was.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: For, but Delby, Lemieux, he went to Dartmouth. Delby.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: Maybe it is maybe Matt Burke and Delby have some
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: like beef with each other, I don't know.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: Or maybe they're bros. Maybe they're like, now we're we're
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: Ivy League bros.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: I feel like Ivy League or rivals.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: And I'm gonna give you a hard time about the
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: fact that you went to a rival school.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: But I feel like for them, it's less like we
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: would look at somebody who went to I don't know,
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of other Northern Iowa rivals.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: North Dakota states south of the state.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: I'm thinking, like, what was the Aces the Evansville We
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: would look at somebody that went to Evansville and be like, okay,
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: like you're the Aces. They suck, But like a Harvard
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: person would look at like a Yale or a Dartmouth
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: person and be like school should would be Ivy League.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: Like I feel like the sense is like you actually suck,
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: like you couldn't get into my school, like you're terrible.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: Like so maybe there's some beef. May maybe we should
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: have him both on the show and get a French
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: translator because I just pictured Delhi only speaking French.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: Cloud, do you even know that that's a reence?
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: I don't remember, but is that a friends? Oh yeah?
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: Cloud?
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: All right, we're starting intrail. One more question for you
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: before we really wrap things up today. Adam Schefter tweeted
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: that and I mentioned it earlier, but forty nine Ers
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: wide receiver free agent wide receiver Juwan Jennings is visiting
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: with the Vikings. For all we know, because we don't
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: have Twitter right up with us, he's signed already or
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: he'll never sign. I don't know, but we're still a
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: world in our brains where he hasn't signed yet, he's
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: still visiting. What are your thoughts on that, how it
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: relates to the team price of you know, how it
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: impacts the cap, the position, the wide receiver position. What
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: are your thoughts? I don't know any thoughts.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't know too much about his production on
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: the field, to be honest. I know his name, and
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: I know that he's a notable wide receiver. I know
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: that he's widely respected as a pretty solid wide receiver
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: two across the league. I also know that the Vikings
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: are extending the fifth year option on Jordan Addison, and
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's no doubt that wide receiver one is
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: justin Jefferson, so one of the whole league. Yeah, one
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: and two are locked in for sure, and so Juwan Jennings,
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: if that materializes, he walks into a wide receiver room
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: as the number three.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: Like I questioned day one, Yep, he's.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: The number three. There's no ifs ands or butts about it,
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: and the only reason he would elevate above that spot
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: would be injury to the other two or if the
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: other two went off the deep end, which we've known
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: Jordan Addison to do from time to time. Yeah, and
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: so I like it as an insurance policy, probably more
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: so for Jordan Addison than Justin Jefferson. Although we've seen
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson deal with that hamstring injury a couple of
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: years ago. We've seen Jordan Addison deal with some minor
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: injuries that have kept him out a little bit. So
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: I like the insurance policy if he's reasonably cheap and
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: not like what if it's ten MILLI year, I don't know,
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: I don't that that's I guess I haven't looked at
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: the number super closely to know if that's like a
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: bargain or not. It feels like it's not a bargain
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: because I feel like Jordan Addison isn't even making that much.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: Well with a fifth year option, what was the what
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: were the terms of that deal? Well, so I think
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: with Addison's fifth year option, it turned basically what time
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: and money he has left on his current deal with
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: the Vikings. He's essentially playing on a two year, like
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: twenty five or something million dollar deal the way things sit,
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: although this twenty twenty sixth season is still relatively low.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: And what did what did Adam Feelen come back to
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: the Vikings on.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: It was like it was like a million, No, it
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: was at like seven million.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: Seven. Okay.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: I just reminded myself of the guy on TikTok. He's like, no, no,
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: I know, if this is called an interception, then then
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: if the other guy catches the ball, what is it
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: an interception? No?
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: Why would you think? No, it's called a reception. That's why?
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: Why? Because anyway, that's why?
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: Okay, Well, with that his context, I'll set a very
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: arbitrary number of seven because he's probably better than Adam Thielen.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: Well, if he gets one hundred and if he gets
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: one hundred yards, his season will be better than Adam
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: Thielens was with the Vikings last year.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: He's younger and more productive. And again it's it's an
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: insurance policy, I think, and maybe to an extent filling
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: the gap of that wide receiver three. But I don't know.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: It's it's an interesting thing. I just hope the Vikings
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: don't overpay. The Grenard trade does open the door for
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: something like this, Whereas you keep Grenard, you probably don't
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: have the money to do it, and you're probably over
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: the cap bringing in all these rookie players, and you're
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: having to restructure a whole bunch of stuff to make
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: it work. So there is a little bit more wiggle
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: room than there was before, which is good. But I
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: don't know. Kind of like all the draft picks, I'm
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: just kind of in this weird like, well, just see
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: what happens, I guess.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: So for me, Juwan Jennings, I've been like weirdly aware
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: of him as not a forty nine Ers fan because
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: something like really early on in his career in fantasy football,
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: And if you're someone who plays fantasy football year after year,
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: you might know what I'm talking about. There seems to
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: be a few guys that are on your radar because
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: you had him last year and they they saved you
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: in a couple of games, and so you're always like, oh, yeah,
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: that guy is pretty good. Whereas most most of the
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: broader NFL fan base is like, oh, I, I guess
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: I've heard of that guy. So for me, Jowan Jennings
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: is one of those guys. I drafted him or maybe
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: I signed him as a free agent one time, really
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: early on in a career, and he saved me a
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: couple of times. And so every year it seems like
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: I get to a certain round and I'm like, Okay,
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: I need another wide receiver. Oh, Juwan Jennings is available.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna draft that guy like he's He's a guy
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: that I always end up drafting in fantasy for most
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: most of my leagues, and usually he's he's good for
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: a few games. So with that knowledge, I'm like, hey, yeah,
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: if the Vikings can sign him, and if the money's
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: right and it doesn't hurt the team, do it. Because
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: there's we've seen enough instability in the wide receiver room
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: and especially now that he would immediately, without question phil
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: and maybe completely overtake the shoes that were left by
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: Jalen Naylor who left to the Raiders and free agency.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: So I'd be upset if it was like twenty MILLI year,
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 2: but if they could make it work and not hurt
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 2: the team for the future, Yeah, bring him in, sign him,
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: and worst case he doesn't work out because the Vikings
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 2: also so the last I feel like for the last
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: ten or so years, every year they sign a guy
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: who's like a wide receiver, who's like, oh, he could
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: be wide receiver three, wide receiver two, wide receiver three,
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 2: and then like Taj Sharp, ends up being nothing or like,
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: you know, these guys that they sign, I'm thinking, you know,
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: all Sean not all Sean Jefferies, who's a Brandon Powell
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: was a little bit more than nothing, but he kind
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: of ended up being not really anything. The other guy
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: that Kirk played with in Washington that war seventeen, I
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: forget his name, but he kind of They always seem
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: to sign a guy that's like, oh, he could be
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: rest in peace, Rondelle Moore. He kind of seemed like
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: he might be a better version of that, but then
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: you know, he got injured and then unfortunately, you know,
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: things happen. But I think Juwan Jennings would be a
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: better version of that late offseason wide receiver signing.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: Not to like completely just put a cap on everything,
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: but this beer seemed like it was one of those
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: like late round draft picks that you're like, I just
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: don't know. It could turn out okay or it could
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: not or it or one of those like free agent
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: acquisitions where it's just like maybe, but I'm gonna say
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: right now, this is like the brock Purty mister irrelevant
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: that was like no, actually this was. This was a
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: pretty good pick up, yeah, or the Tom Brady sixth round,
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: Like now, you can go in a couple of Super
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: Bowls with this six point four percent seven Hills Brewing
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: Purple Rain sour ale with grape drink, cotton candy, and lactose.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: I have no idea what half of that means, but
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: this was a good beer. What did you think?
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: I liked it a lot. I'll still stand by my
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: description of like a candy beer. But maybe that's just
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: what I think of when I taste a sour You know,
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: it's very sweet, very tart, but not too sweet, not
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: too tart.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: I think we have different like fla her profiles really well,
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: so like I don't get the like the tartness.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's kind of making me pucker a little bit.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: Which is interesting because I remember when we were kids,
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: you won like a lifetime supply of Warheads.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: It was like a year. But yeah, yeah, I.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: Remember eating Warheads candy, and I remember feeling my cheeks
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: just go wow every time I put one of those
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: things in my mouth. I don't get that out of this.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: I get just the smallest amount, but enough that it's
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: still in the pleasant category. Like, it's still I like it. It's
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: not very high on the lawnmower scale. I'm not getting
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: off the lawnmower and throwing ten of these back. But
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: I would recommend this. I would tell somebody like, if
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: you like sweet, if you like you know.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: It's a it's grape yeah, and subtly cotton candy. Yeah,
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: they're there.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's it's nice. I think it's pleasant. I
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: will have this again, and I would be honest and say, oh,
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: this is gross. I can't I can't stand it. I
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: like it. I'm surprised that.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna put you on the spot quick
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: reaction here.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: The pickle beer is worse.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: No, that's not what I was going for, but we
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: still have that, and that could be a purple punish. Ah,
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: if you could compare the beer to a Vikings player,
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: who would you compare it to? I'm putting you on
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: the spot.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: All right, Oh man.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: Get creative, I mean full creative liberty here. Hmmm. I
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: don't know.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: This is tough. This is real tough.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: I think you know.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: I'm my first thought, I'm gonna go with Stefan Diggs.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 2: So that's with the whole big picture in mind. Stefan
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 2: Diggs ended up big picture. He was good for the Vikings. Correct,
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: he was good.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: I would agree with this.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: A fifth round pick, so a little bit surprise. But
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: the reason this I'm not saying like I would say,
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: like the goat Viking compared to a beer and I
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: feel like we've done this before would be my favorite
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: beer ever, you know, like oh the pseudo sieu of
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: Vikings players is so and so the reason I'm saying
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: this beer to Stefan Diggs is because it's not to me.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: It's not the goat beer. It's not you know, I'm
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: on my deathbed, I get one more beer. I'm not
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: reaching for this. Although it's good. I enjoy it, it's
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: not something I'm gonna have a ton more. Uh, And
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: I'm not upset about that, but I'm glad for what
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: it is. And yeah, I don't want Stefan Diggs and
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: the Vikings anymore. It ended up being really terrible with
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: Stefan Diggs, but that kind of balances out how great
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: it was with him, so he ended up being pleasant
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 2: for the Vikings when you look at his experience as
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: a whole.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: See, I'm gonna take a similar approach, slightly different player.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Adam Thielen on this one, and
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with that because it was sweet for
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: so long with Adam Theelen, right, and then there was
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: this magical homecoming that didn't really materialize, and that's what
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: made it sour. And I think that's what that's what
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: puts this beer kind of apart from other beers. It's
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: got all the sweetness, it's great, but there's that sour
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: attribute to it that just makes it different. And it's
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: good and similar to what you said about stuff on Digs,
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: like all in all, when the scales even out at
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: the end of the day, it was all good. Yeah,
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: But the way and you've said this more so than
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: I have, the way that Adam Thelen left was pretty sour, right.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: It left a pretty sour taste in most Vikings fans' mouths,
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: and that was just it was tough to race so
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: sour beer. It's purple rain and it's a crying clown
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: with purple purple rain drops around him. You gotta go
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: with Adam Dela, all right. But I don't disagree with
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: Diggs either. I think both of them are good but
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: good beer overall. Yeah, I like it, definitely low on
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: the lawnmower scale for me. But this is kind of
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: a summary beer too. Like this, this is one that
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: I would maybe pull out like the fourth of July
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: or something like. All Right, I'm up for something different
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: and I want something fruity, and I want something a
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: little bit more sweet and lighthearted. I'd reach for this one. Yeah,
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: on a few occasions. I think my wife would like
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: this one too.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: So yeah, and it's available, it's out there.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, good stuff all right?
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: Man? Where can people reach out to us if they
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 2: want to keep the conversation going, I.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: Mean, just find us on the internet. We're out there.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: Google us the School Hob. Definitely respond to an email
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: The school Hob at gmail dot com. We have a
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: website out there at the school hoob dot com. Also
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: find us on social media Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, Twitter, those
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: are probably the big four. Find us on those, interact
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: with us. We'd love to chat YouTube that's another one.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, right, comment like subscribe all the fun stuff,
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: all the stuff, all right, man, Well, we've had a
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: lot of fun. Next week we'll probably hit more on
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: the GM position. Who knows the Juwan Jennings thing might
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: happen or not happen by then. And then I think
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: a friend of the show for us might be joining
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: us next week, so keep your eyes and ears peeled
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: for that one. But until then, Evan, I've had a
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: lot of fun. This might be best episode.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd say so, Scholl cool. I think I think,
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: I think, I think I think I think I think.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: I think I think I think I think I think
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 2: I think I think, I think, I think, I think,
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 2: I think I think, I think I