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Selects: How Easy Bake Ovens Work · Stuff You Should Know

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  Speaker 1: Hi, everybody, it's Chuck here on a Saturday. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: gonna be weird this week, I promise you. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: take you back in time though, to November, because this
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  Speaker 1: is one of our episodes on famous toys. We love
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  Speaker 1: doing these apps, their nostalgia bombs for everyone that listens.
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  Speaker 1: And this is all about the easy Bake Oven. That's
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  Speaker 1: why it's called how Easy Bake Oven's work. Welcome to
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  Speaker 1: Stuff you Should Know, a production of I Heart Radio. Hey,
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  Speaker 1: and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, and there's
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  Speaker 1: Charles W Chuck Bryant, there's Ramsey over there. The usual,
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  Speaker 1: which means it's time for Stuff you Should Know. A
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  Speaker 1: nostalgia edition. Colen T. S Hodgman. Yeah, we've done a
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  Speaker 1: few toys. Um plato Uh, slinkys right, what else? Well
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  Speaker 1: does a boomerang count as a toy? Uh? It's away
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  Speaker 1: alive mate. Um. We've done tons, we did silly putty,
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  Speaker 1: silly putty, we did um uh you know a bunch
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  Speaker 1: that the balls. Yeah, the balls the balls episode How
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  Speaker 1: Balls Work? They round and they bounced. We said balls
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  Speaker 1: like a million times in that episode. Uh. Yeah, this
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  Speaker 1: one's kind of cool. Though, the easy bake oven, which
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  Speaker 1: I never had one. Did you ever have one in
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  Speaker 1: your home? I don't think so. No. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: my sister had one either, although I was a pretty
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  Speaker 1: tubby kid, so it's possible that my mom was like,
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  Speaker 1: make sure your brother doesn't know you have one of those.
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  Speaker 1: Do not feed your brother anything from there. But it's
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  Speaker 1: interesting that this is one where uh, sort of a
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  Speaker 1: very simple idea and you never can tell what's gonna
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  Speaker 1: hit toy wise, nothing super complex about this other than
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  Speaker 1: you could literally bake food and sort of pretend to
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  Speaker 1: be an adult in the kitchen. That's that was the
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  Speaker 1: basis of it. Being an adult. That was kind of
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  Speaker 1: Kenner's thing. And Kenner, the people who made Star Wars toys,
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  Speaker 1: were the ones behind this, and they were very much
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  Speaker 1: into um toys that like let kids pretend they were
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  Speaker 1: growing ups. Yeah, that was their bag. Yeah. I have
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  Speaker 1: a new neighbor. Actually, shout out to Rick Kathy. Hey, guys,
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  Speaker 1: where they really got into your skin? Huh? What? Rick
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  Speaker 1: and Cathy got a shout out on the podcast and
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  Speaker 1: their new neighbors. Jeez. Yeah, because he worked for I
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  Speaker 1: was talking to him and I was like, he seems
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  Speaker 1: like a good guy. He was like, what you know,
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  Speaker 1: what do you do? Ricky's retired? Now what did you do?
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  Speaker 1: And He's like, I was a toy and action figure
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  Speaker 1: designer for Kenner And I was like, wow, whoa what years?
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  Speaker 1: He came on after his first The first thing he
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  Speaker 1: worked on was the Tim Burton Batman movies. Nice and
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  Speaker 1: he stayed on for a long time, like his whole career,
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  Speaker 1: like after they were sold and everything pretty that is
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  Speaker 1: very cool. Yeah, good for him. Yeah, so he still
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  Speaker 1: does wonderful uh sculpture. So I'll bet just go after
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  Speaker 1: Rick Watkins art online and then check it out. I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna I'm going to check it out. But I mean,
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  Speaker 1: Kenneda is such a big deal to like two people
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  Speaker 1: our age and of many ages. But I didn't realize
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  Speaker 1: that they didn't realize their origin as a company. Remember
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  Speaker 1: that we talked. We did a whole action figures episode, remember,
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  Speaker 1: and we talked a lot about Kenner. Was that a
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  Speaker 1: two part episode or was it just like an hour
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  Speaker 1: and a half long? It was very long, but um,
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  Speaker 1: Kenner almost didn't do the Star Wars ones if I remember,
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  Speaker 1: But for us at least that put Kenna on the map.
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  Speaker 1: What I didn't realize is that Kenner was already on
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  Speaker 1: the map as far as toys go. And one of
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  Speaker 1: the ways that they got there was from the Easy
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  Speaker 1: Bake Oven, which debuted in November of nineteen, right around
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  Speaker 1: the time that John Kennedy was shot. Yeah, but Kenner
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  Speaker 1: had been around since the nineteen forties. Um Albert Philip
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  Speaker 1: and Joseph steiner Um formed the company after, as legend goes,
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  Speaker 1: one of them saw a bubble you know, maker bubble
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  Speaker 1: wand or whatever you call him, and it was like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: if I could do a gun that shoots bubbles, we
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  Speaker 1: might be onto something. And that was our very first product,
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  Speaker 1: is the bubble Matic Gun, and then whatever, less than
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  Speaker 1: twenty years later, the Easy Bake Oven. Even though, as
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  Speaker 1: we learned today and yesterday, there had been toy ovens
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  Speaker 1: since like the Victorian days. Yes, like really really dangerous
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  Speaker 1: I know, like real real little ovens like wood burning
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  Speaker 1: pellet solid fuel stoves made of cast iron that were
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  Speaker 1: sized down for little kids to you. Yeah, basically like
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  Speaker 1: here's the oven that can kill your parents. We'll just
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  Speaker 1: make a smaller one they can kill you. Yeah. Um. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: So the children's play oven function play oven um history
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  Speaker 1: very kind of closely tracks the real oven history, right
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  Speaker 1: Like when there were cast iron, wood burning ovens, there
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  Speaker 1: were kids versions of them. As they as real ovens
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  Speaker 1: moved into electric ovens, there were kids versions of them. Apparently,
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  Speaker 1: UM Lionel the train the model trainmakers, they made some
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  Speaker 1: in the thirties. Also, we want to give a shout
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  Speaker 1: out to Lisa Hicks and the people at Collectors Weekly
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  Speaker 1: for a great article we also used for this episode two.
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  Speaker 1: But um in the thirties there were electric ovens. By
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  Speaker 1: the forties or fifties, I think there were fiberglass insulated ovens,
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  Speaker 1: electric ovens. It was just like a small oven for kids,
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  Speaker 1: but they were ovens. They were extremely dangerous. And Um
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  Speaker 1: Kenner had this really great idea and the reason that
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  Speaker 1: this idea came about at Kenna to begin with, So
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  Speaker 1: apparently Kenner was really big on having like ideas could
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  Speaker 1: come from anywhere. Anybody in the company float an idea
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  Speaker 1: and people would listen. And they had like regular meetings
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  Speaker 1: where you know, there were bull sessions. Maybe they ordered
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  Speaker 1: some like chow Maine or something like that. Everyone rolled
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  Speaker 1: up their sleeves and relaxed and and spat out ideas,
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  Speaker 1: and one of the salesman from Kenner came back in
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  Speaker 1: from the field and said, you know what, I saw something.
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  Speaker 1: I saw some pretzel vendors keeping their pretzels warm on
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  Speaker 1: the street using a lightbulb. What if we used a
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  Speaker 1: light bulb to heat up an oven for the little
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  Speaker 1: kiddies And somebody, I think Charles House, Ralph House, well,
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  Speaker 1: Norman Shapiro was that gentleman, and then Ronald House. Ronald
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  Speaker 1: House was the big time inventor for Kinner, who had
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  Speaker 1: a couple of like really big products under his belt,
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  Speaker 1: and he was like that that's an ace's idea. That's
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  Speaker 1: exactly how we talked. Probably everyone hated him for it,
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  Speaker 1: but he was really good at inventing toy so they
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  Speaker 1: had to put up with that. Yeah, but Kinner's deal,
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  Speaker 1: like you were saying, was find things that mimic adult things.
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  Speaker 1: And that's like kind of I bet like kids are
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  Speaker 1: gonna dig that stuff. And they did from like and
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  Speaker 1: kids still do little toy lawnmowers and toy bulldozers. And
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Ruby's got a little cleaning set with like
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  Speaker 1: a duster and a dust pan and a mop and
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  Speaker 1: she she o C D no, But I mean all
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  Speaker 1: the time she will say, you know, come on, daddy,
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  Speaker 1: let's clean, and she'll hand me a mop. That's a
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  Speaker 1: little low c D. Well, no, that's good then, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I like where she said it. Did you have one
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  Speaker 1: of those um plastic safety razors so you could shave
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  Speaker 1: next to your dad? No? I did, but I was
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  Speaker 1: I think a lot of boys are pretty obsessed with
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  Speaker 1: shaving before they have whiskers, and I think I heard
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  Speaker 1: that they would actually stimulate hair growth. And I was
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  Speaker 1: about to say, I remember being worried about that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: because I didn't have I had a pretty I mean,
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  Speaker 1: looking at me now, you would never know, but I
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  Speaker 1: didn't have a lot of facial hair going on until
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  Speaker 1: well into college. Was it like lacking or did it
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  Speaker 1: come in patchy just a little bit, sort of like
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  Speaker 1: my brother is now. He just stayed in that phase
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  Speaker 1: where your brother's got a perfect chiseled face. Well, I
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  Speaker 1: know that's because he doesn't have a beard, but um,
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  Speaker 1: Scott can grow a pretty decent gotee now, but I don't.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think he could grow the full beard, but
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  Speaker 1: his his was. We were both spotty like a little
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  Speaker 1: bit above the lip, a little bit on the chin.
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  Speaker 1: One part just kind of trace to line up to
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  Speaker 1: your eye from around from under your nose. Yeah, but
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  Speaker 1: I mean it was sort of a family thing. We're
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  Speaker 1: not Harry dudes. We don't have very hairy legs or
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  Speaker 1: it is odd that you have a full beard, like
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  Speaker 1: I don't have hairy arms or anything like that. Your
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  Speaker 1: your beast. I don't know if beasts is the right word.
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  Speaker 1: But yes, I'm a little hairy. You're a Harry guy.
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  Speaker 1: My chest hair definitely plucks out from under my shirt.
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  Speaker 1: Have you ever done any like a laser or anything
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  Speaker 1: like that? Yeah, good for you. No, I'm just I'm Harry. No,
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  Speaker 1: I mean your normal. It's not like you're Robin Williams.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah he was airy, Yes he was, God rest his soul. Yes, indeed.
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  Speaker 1: So back to the ovens. So, um, the idea has
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  Speaker 1: been put out there now by Norman Shapiro, Yes, yeah, okay, so,
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  Speaker 1: and it was taken up by Ronald House and this
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  Speaker 1: was this was huge and groundbreaking because again there were
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  Speaker 1: safe there were um unsafe ovens for kids that have
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  Speaker 1: been around since the nineteenth century. What these guys had
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  Speaker 1: just happened upon was the way to make another unsafe
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  Speaker 1: oven seems safe to parents. That was That was it.
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  Speaker 1: That was the genius of this idea. That is what
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  Speaker 1: made easy bake ovens take off. What they had figured
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  Speaker 1: out was that if they used a light bulb as
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  Speaker 1: the heating element, and believe me, a lightbulb can can
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  Speaker 1: heat up an oven um Yeah, up to three fifty
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  Speaker 1: which is a common baking jump. Yes, from a light bulb.
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  Speaker 1: And actually at first as we'll see a pair of
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  Speaker 1: light bulbs, but the fact is they're light bulbs and
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  Speaker 1: parents are familiar with light bulbs. They don't seem weird
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  Speaker 1: or scary. It's not a wood pellet. And the fact
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  Speaker 1: that it's not like a heating element like in an
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  Speaker 1: actual oven, it's just a light bulb. That is what
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  Speaker 1: they used to convince parents that this was a safe
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  Speaker 1: product that they could buy for their kids. It was
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  Speaker 1: a genius idea, it really was. And like you tease
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  Speaker 1: a second ago, the very first model, and if you
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  Speaker 1: look at that very first one, it doesn't really even
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  Speaker 1: look like an oven. Well certainly the new one doesn't either. No.
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  Speaker 1: I did go online. I was like, maybe I should
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  Speaker 1: get one of those, But they're ugly now they I'm
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  Speaker 1: sorry to the person who designed them. Yes, I'm glad
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  Speaker 1: you said it. They're ugly little ovens. Yeah, they should
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  Speaker 1: kind of go back to looking more classic. I think
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  Speaker 1: it would be my advice. Um. But they used to
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  Speaker 1: one incandescent bulbs at first, one over the top and
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  Speaker 1: another under the bottom. Obviously they were trying to get
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  Speaker 1: an even heat because you're baking things, right, and and
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  Speaker 1: they very wisely designed this thing, um so that the
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  Speaker 1: actual oven part was basically inaccessible to the kid on
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  Speaker 1: either side. So just imagine a box. Um. Okay, oh man,
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  Speaker 1: here's the way. It's my favorite thing when you try
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  Speaker 1: to describe something. Let me see if I if I
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  Speaker 1: close my eyes, it works. Uh. Imagine a box and
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  Speaker 1: then coming out from either side of the box or
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  Speaker 1: a couple of little little arms. But the arms are
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  Speaker 1: half arms, and they're rectangular and hollow, and they're actually openings.
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  Speaker 1: One opening, you slide in the uncooked thing that you
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  Speaker 1: want to bake into the heating area of the oven,
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  Speaker 1: let it bake, and you push it through the other
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  Speaker 1: the other side, the cooling chamber, and then it comes
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  Speaker 1: out the other arm. Everyone Josh has had his eyes
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  Speaker 1: closed that entire time, and it worked. I really painted
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  Speaker 1: a great picture in your mind's eye. M yes, uh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so that's what what's going on. You had the two bulbs,
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  Speaker 1: um and in fact, let's go ahead and take a
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  Speaker 1: break there. Okay, nice litt Cliffhanger. When we come back,
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  Speaker 1: I'll redescribe the easy bake oven again. It sounds good,
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  Speaker 1: all right. We were at one bulb, right, yeah, I'm sorry, No,
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  Speaker 1: we were at two bulbs so long ago I couldn't remember.
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  Speaker 1: I know there was a full ada. But then what
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  Speaker 1: they did was they figured if they just engineered this
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  Speaker 1: thing to distribute heat and whole heat a little better,
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  Speaker 1: almost like a convection of it. Yeah, exactly, like a
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  Speaker 1: convection of him, that they could go down to one bulb. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: There was a dude named Charles hold On, I really
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  Speaker 1: want to Yeah, Charles Cummings, Charles one bulb Cummings. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's what he was known as. Charles Cummings was a
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  Speaker 1: designer at Kenner and I think in the late seventies.
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  Speaker 1: He designed the interior of the oven so that the
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  Speaker 1: bulb one bulb created confection current, so it cooked just
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  Speaker 1: as well as two bold, but you just needed one.
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  Speaker 1: Um and he owns the patent to that, which is
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  Speaker 1: the way it should be. Yeah, he was the design
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  Speaker 1: He came up with this pretty rare to Kennor. Of course,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure had an exclusive license to it, but I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure he got like a decent amount of money from
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  Speaker 1: that license agreement. That is the way it should be.
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  Speaker 1: He also created the patent um Or he held the
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  Speaker 1: patent for the add on popcorn maker that you could
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  Speaker 1: put onto the easy bake oven. Too good for him,
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  Speaker 1: good for you. Charles Cummings, Charles one bulb Cummings. He
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  Speaker 1: probably lives on top of the mountain somewhere and on
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  Speaker 1: a mountain of money. Uh so, all right, you're down
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  Speaker 1: to one bulb thanks to Charlie Cummings. They initially wanted
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  Speaker 1: to call this in nineteen sixty three when it was
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  Speaker 1: two bulbs within debut. Yeah, right out of the gate,
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  Speaker 1: they wanted to call it November of sixty three the
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  Speaker 1: Safety Bake Oven, because they really wanted to drive this
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  Speaker 1: home was that it was super safe, and the regulatory
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  Speaker 1: bodies were like you can't. You haven't even sold one yet,
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  Speaker 1: Like we don't, We're not sure if this is going
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  Speaker 1: to kill kids. You burned a dozen monkeys during the
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  Speaker 1: product testing trial. Oh that's so awful. Um, but you
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  Speaker 1: can't call it that yet because we don't know yet
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  Speaker 1: whether it's truly safe. Go ahead and sell them, but
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  Speaker 1: just don't still call it safe the safety bake oven.
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  Speaker 1: So they're like, well, what about easy? And they're like,
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  Speaker 1: are we still talking about this, We're done with you,
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  Speaker 1: go away and um they said. They were like, okay, fine,
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  Speaker 1: we'll call it the easy Bake Oven then, and they
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  Speaker 1: sold it as the Easy Bake Oven and it sold
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  Speaker 1: out immediately. They sold it, so November is right before
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  Speaker 1: the Christmas season, actually in the Christmas season, I think
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  Speaker 1: even back then, and they made a little more than
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  Speaker 1: half a million units and told them all, like before Christmas, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: for which is expensive. That would be about a hundred
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  Speaker 1: and thirty dollars today. No, yeah, that's a that's an
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  Speaker 1: expensive toy. Wow. And if you look at the thing.
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  Speaker 1: I saw a picture of one that's for sale on
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  Speaker 1: eBay for really cheap. I think it was like thirty
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  Speaker 1: bucks or something. Really it was unused in the box,
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  Speaker 1: still needed to be assembled. But if you look at it,
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  Speaker 1: You're like, that thing looks like a death trap. It
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  Speaker 1: looks like the four pinto of children's toys from the sixties,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like the sharp metal edges. Yeah, you're like, like,
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  Speaker 1: that's what it looks like, like like the baby strollers
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  Speaker 1: we were pushed around. Yeah. Remember that that Dana Kroyd
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  Speaker 1: SNLS get from years ago with the dangerous Christmas toys,
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  Speaker 1: And there was one called the Bag of Glass so great, uh,
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  Speaker 1: and that's all it was just a bag of shards
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  Speaker 1: of glass. So yeah, they sold a half a million
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  Speaker 1: and then they're like, we gotta make a lot more
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  Speaker 1: of these for next year. Yeah, because this is back
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  Speaker 1: at a time when toys didn't do that very often.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's like every Christmas now people are like, well,
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  Speaker 1: what's the toy we should go fight other parents for
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  Speaker 1: tell us? Yeah, because I'm training in the ring. This
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  Speaker 1: is when it right. This is when it happened organically,
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  Speaker 1: when you put out a toy and if it became
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  Speaker 1: like the fight worthy toy, that was a few and
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  Speaker 1: far between things. The easy Bake oven was the fight
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  Speaker 1: worthy toy right out of the gate. Yeah. So in
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  Speaker 1: year two, I think they made about one point five
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  Speaker 1: million sold all those and here was here's the little
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  Speaker 1: bit of genius from Kenner is Uh, anytime you can
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  Speaker 1: sell a supplementary product to the big thing, then you're
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  Speaker 1: really cooking with gasnically Gilette Razor model. I think it
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  Speaker 1: was King Gilette who came up with that. Yeah, So
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  Speaker 1: what they did was they sold uh mixes, you know,
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  Speaker 1: these little instant mixes that you would pour and it
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  Speaker 1: would make a little creddit cake. And they had twenty
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  Speaker 1: five of these at first, And we're selling those like
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  Speaker 1: crazy because if you're a kid. If if you're a kid,
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  Speaker 1: you want all those, you're like, well, I haven't try
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  Speaker 1: the strawberry cake yet. Plus also, it's a it's not
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  Speaker 1: like you're putting this in like a book like some
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  Speaker 1: baseball cars, and you're like, well, I've got this one.
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  Speaker 1: I don't need. You eat that thing and you need
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  Speaker 1: another thing to replace it, and you poop it out
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  Speaker 1: and you're not gonna eat the poop again. You're going
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  Speaker 1: to go buy another one. And that was the genius
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  Speaker 1: of the other genius idea of this whole thing. There
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  Speaker 1: was a third genius idea to Kenna did this so right?
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  Speaker 1: Not just no, the advertising. So remember this is kids
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  Speaker 1: emulating grown ups. That was their thing, um it. They
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  Speaker 1: advertised not just two kids through like archies comics, but
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  Speaker 1: they advertised directly to their parents too. There were ads
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  Speaker 1: for the easy Bake Oven on I Love Lucy and
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  Speaker 1: on Hogan's Heroes. According to This This Collector's Weekly article, and
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  Speaker 1: in these ads, if you look at a lot of
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  Speaker 1: old ads and even some of the newer ads too
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: for easy bake Oven, it's a mom and a daughter, right,
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: and the parent is like, oh, this is something we
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: can do together. I love baking. It's basically my whole life.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: I live in nine and I'm a woman, so I
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: would love to share that with my daughter. Maybe she's
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: old enough to have an easy bake oven herself. And
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: that definitely helped propel sales for sure, because it's not
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: just kids going on an easy bake Oven, it's the
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: parents going that'd be a great thing to do with
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: my kid. Yeah. And of course, as people evolved and
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: people became more woke over time, even though that word
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: wasn't used, um enlightened, maybe it became a bit of
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: a problem with gender roles and like this is for
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: moms and daughters their pink and that's what you're supposed
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: to do, is be in the kitchen baking for the men. Yeah,
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: I mean very famously, the easy bake ovens always ended
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: with the disclaimer like this toy is not for boys. Yeah,
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: it didn't really, but essentially it was like that was this,
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: that was what was coming through. And the weird thing
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: is is far as as like legendary iconic a toy
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: as the easy bake oven was as gender roles and um, yeah,
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: as gender roles evolved, I mean this was we're talking
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: like the early seventies when this really started to become
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: like a thing. The easy bake oven did not evolve
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: with it. As we will see. It wasn't until the
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: like early two thousand's that they started to like respond
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: to that kind of thing. And I saw an ad
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: for two thousand fourteen not a boy in sight, all
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: girls and um it just dancing around like the girliest
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: easy bake oven you could possibly imagine. They actually got
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: more girly as time went on and more girl focused.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: Um as gender roles went on, which is really weird
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: to me, not just non responsive but almost like no,
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: we're going the opposite way. Yeah, And then early two
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: thousands Hasbro who uh you know, they bought out Kenner,
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: eventually makers of the classic Snoopye snowcob machine. I never
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: had one of those. You have one of those? No
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: neighbor did, okay, um, but you got to eat some
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: of that sweet see sugar ice. There was nothing like
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: the taste of I think the cherry one, I can't remember,
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: but it was just the greatest snow cone you could
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: possibly have. And that's until you had a shave ice
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: later and you're like, oh, this is a lot better still.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: Number one raining champ really Number two is blue raspberry
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: slush Puppy. Yeah. See what I would always do was
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: um slurp that sweet liquid and that would be left
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: with just some faintly colored kind of just ice. Oh yeah, no,
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: I know. It was the problem with it for sure,
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: But if you did it right and you just kind
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: of let it settle, you got you know, through the
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: nasty stuff first when you got to the bottom, then
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: you got to the true like hyper hyper dense snow
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: cone experience. Yeah. I could never do that. I'd still
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: have problems regulating my like hot fudged to ice cream
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: ratio when eating a Sunday. Oh yeah, I just won't
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: even do it anymore. So you do all the hot
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: fudge first, and then you're left to some crutty ice cream. Yep,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: that's I mean, that's standard creuddy delicious ice cream, right
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: this ice cream. That's some people around the world would
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: kill for his cud. He doesn't have any more fudge, dude.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: I've been on a fifteen year campaign to convince Emily
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: that vanilla ice cream is like a legit flavor. I
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: think she's she still thinks that vanilla ice cream is
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: just like unflavored ice meal. Yeah, it's like it's the
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: one without the flavor added. Right now, vanilla is it
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: really delicious? It is? It is. It's subtle vanilla bean
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: ice cream like true flex so good. So in early
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: two thousand, they finally, like you said, tried in a
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: very ham fisted way to get boys involved with the
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: the que you easy bake queasy bake is that what
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: it is? Took me a second to because Q uses
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: separate word. So okay, now, so the queasy bake oven
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: and the mixer rader for you boys, you can make
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: mud and crud cakes and the lar delicious cocoon keys,
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: and you know, not like, hey, just bake something good
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: because anyone can bake. Yeah, anyone can bake. And they
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: didn't like the girls don't don't use that one. Yeah,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: it was it was only boys that showed up in
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: these ads. They're like, we really need to get boys involved.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: How can we do that? Oh, we'll make one specifically
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: four boys. That's like they're making cruddy cakes. I mean,
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: I know they're just trying to sell stuff, but when
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: in these meetings, in these marketing meetings that you just
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: can't help but think they're it's like a bunch of
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: like eighty five year old men. It's our it's our Senate. Yeah,
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: it's in there right there, like screaming and pounding and
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: yelling at each other about the idea of like selling
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: this to boys. Oh man, well after that, I feel
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: like we should probably take a break. Yeah, we'll go
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: to our senate chambers and regroup right after this. Alright.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: So in N seven, the Easy Bake up and is
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: selling like uh hot cakes. Literally, General Mills buys Kinner
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: uh and they did a couple of genius things. They
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: they partnered because they were General Mills. They had no
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: problem because they owned Betty Crocker as well. I assume
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: um launching Betty Crocker branded mixes, and then later on
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: they got into licensing deals with McDonald's and Pizza Hut.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Because here's the thing. You can bake anything in an
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: easy week oven because it's just a little oven. Yeah,
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: you can make pizza and you can make you don't
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: have to buy these mixes. You can just bake cookies
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: that you made from scratch. Yeah, and there's like a
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: lot of um recipes online easy bake oven recipes. Yeah.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: They actually don't taste like garbage, so um. Yeah. They
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: did have a huge line of mixes though, and they
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: sold more than a hundred million of them over the
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: over the year. That's how they get you. But I
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: mean they there there were recipes for mixes for candy bars,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: pecanan brittle, popcorn, bubblegum. You can bake your own bubblegum. Interesting,
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: it is interesting. I would have tried that for sure.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: I want to see bubblegum come out in like a
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: brownie pan. Yeah, I'd be like, I want some of
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: that bubblegum, like amazing a cotton candy machine, now that
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: I remember what it would just spin sugar and you would, Oh,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: I know what they do. I wanted one. That thing
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: was probably dangerous, was probably like a nuclear centerfuge. What
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: what was interesting about those are fascinating to me was
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: like the cotton candy. Um this, Oh it's not called
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: it's like not the web sugar or something like that. Um. Yeah,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: I want to say web, but that's not either. You
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: it's not really visible in the machine, but when you
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: stick in the little cone, it just builds up on
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: it like it's like it's just coming out of another
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: dimension into this one, like coming out of a spider.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: But it's awesome to see a pink and pink and
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: blue spiders. But man, I had to go out yesterday two. Uh.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: I still have my pickup truck then, because I just
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: kept it because it was paid for, and I still
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: moved and hall stuff occasionally had to move. Something justified
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: to me. I had to move something yesterday and I
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: went out and that was the most beautiful huge spider
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: web from a tree down attached to the rear tailgate
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: of my truck like chuck with this big spider right
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: in the middle. And I was like, oh, man, I
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: just felt so bad. I didn't know what to do,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: so you just put in reverse and pretended nothing. He
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: didn't see anything. No, actually plucked it off a little
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: by little because I want to ensure his safety. And
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: the web just goes crumbling down into a long, you know,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: skinny string, and he climbs right up to the tree
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: and I was just like, I'm really sorry. He's like, oh,
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: I'm sure you are to see you. He tried to
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: spit venom into my eyeball, Like what do you what
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: do you need your truck for? And You're like, I
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: gotta go get peanut butter. Is like, oh good, thank
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: you for ruining thirty hours of my work a giant
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: vat of peanut butter that would only fit in my truck. Um,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: all right, so let's let's fash forward here too, uh
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: the modern times in two thousand seven, the Energy Independence
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: and Security Act, when the government said, by two thousand
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: twelve light bulbs have to increase their efficiency by so
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: bye bye incandescent bulb. Yeah, so let me just say something.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Let me set that up to Over the years, the
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: easy bake oven had just remained a steady seller for
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: Kenner and then has Bro, and the design had been
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: basically the same and went from two bulbs to one bulb,
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: but it was this closed box where the heating element was,
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: where there was a slot on the side. Remember I
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: went through the whole thing, pushed it in and it
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: came out the cooling chamber on the other side. Um.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: But really the design was the same. The outward look
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: changed like it went from the weird its own thing
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: to the late seventies and early eighties, it started to
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: resemble them microwave and then in in response to this
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: change in light bulb requirements, Easy Baked did a redesign
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: in two thousand and six and for the first time ever,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: the Easy Bake Oven actually looked like an oven, like
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: a stove, had little like fake burners on the top.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: It looked like a stove. And it was actually a
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: front loader to where there was a like a slot
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: in the front of the Easy Bake oven and that's
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: where you put the thing in, and that's what you
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: actually pulled it out from, too, and it went right
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: into the heating element. UM and they replaced the light
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: bulb because again so long light bulb because of the
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: energy act um with an actual heating element, a ceramic
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: heating element like an oven. So they made an oven.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: But then when they made the oven, they redesigned this
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: thing so that you could put your fingers right into
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: the oven while it was baking at its hottest temperature.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: And of course kids immediately started doing that. How did they?
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: How did that one slip past? No idea? I mean,
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: that just doesn't make any sense at all. So in
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: the end, I think, what what close to two kids
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: ended up with like second and third degree burns? One
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: partial amputation of a finger, yeah, because kids would get
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: their fingers stuck in it, right, and it's just and
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: then some kids got their fingers stuck in it while
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: it was he hot, and yes, they were getting huge burns.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: So um Hasbro was like, well, we'll do a recall,
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: and they recalled five thousand, I think ultimately a million
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: of these things they recalled. First they tried to say,
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: here's a little fixed Yeah, here's a retrofitted piece. It's
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: really easy to snap it on, and I'll solve them everything.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: And apparently it did solve everything. They're like, why didn't
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: you make it that way to begin with? Right, But
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: most parents were not, like they didn't have their ears
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: out that there was a recall of their Easy Bake oven,
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: and so their kids, the kids that kept getting burned
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: and and finally Hasbro was like, just them back. So
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: there's a recall of a million Easy Bake ovens from
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: that two thousand and six redesigned. There's a huge toy
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: for them, like too. If that would have ruined the
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Easy Bake Oven, that would have been a big, big deal.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: So what they did was they temporarily went back to
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: an old design featuring a light bulb two while they
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: redesigned it to the new version. So, uh, then they
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: came out in two thousand and eleven with that that
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: really ugly designed what's called the Easy Bake Ultimate Oven.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at it now and the things, Yeah, it does.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: It looks terrible. It's horrible. It's super It looks like
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: it's on the go or something like that. I don't
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: like it. It looks like a weird toaster oven. Yeah,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: but it's sort of. It looks like it's trying to
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: look futuristic and modern, which never ends up looking like that. No,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: it doesn't. But they also made it pink and purple,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: super girly that ads were girl targeted. Yet there's flowers
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: on it, and again they were like, Nope, this is
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: for girls. Boys don't play with this. So in two thousand,
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: I think two thousand thirteen, there was a girl named
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: Um McKenna Pope who is just a hero of hero
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: She's amazing. I saw an interview with her on CNN.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: She's just so like self possessed and intelligent and like
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: well spoken, but also like a kid, no know where
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: she's a kid. She's just amazing, one of those clearly
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: reincarnated um. And she went on. She started a petition
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: to get Hasbro to make a gender neutral version of
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: It's Easy Bake Oven because her little brother Um like
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: to bake but realized that the Easy Bake Oven was
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: for girls. She wanted him to be able to bake,
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: so she said, Hasbro, why don't you make one this
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: gender neutral and got something like fifty thousand signatures for
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: her petition, and Hasbro came out with a new version
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: of the Easy Bake Ultimate Oven, which was just a
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: black version of it black and I think Silver surprised
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: it wasn't like our brush stainless model to emulate, you know, kitchens. Yeah,
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: she's she's probably almost twenty years old. Now, yeah, one,
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: what she's doing, mckinnipope or are you out there? She's
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: some sort of like consumer and protection lawyer all that
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: probably so, I hope. So. Uh. Two thousand six they
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: go into the National Toy Hall of Fame, the same
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: year that disastrous redesign. Yeah, they they got in just
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: under the wire. Yeah, we can't take it back. I'm
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: trying to look here, and they're from their very on
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: website some of the landmark years. Uh. And it is
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: kind of funny that emulated the styles of the time,
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: unless they were just doing pink. Like in sixty nine
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: they premiered the Avocado Green. The very next year was
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Harvest Gold. It's very good metallic p We'd say that
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: a lot in our else. Um. Oh, they had a
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: potato chip maker. Do we mention that? No? Three, the
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: easy Baked Potato chip Maker. And then in seventy eight
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: they finally started putting a fake digital clock on it
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: that always read twelve thirty Okay, not for twenty. You
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: see that a lot in as a joke, and like
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: the pothead joke. Yeah, but like you'll see an alarm
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: clock ad and like uh, skymall or something and I'll
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: say four twenty because the publishers aren't paying attention to
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: it or they don't care. Sure. I remember years ago
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: when we used to have a lot of illustrations on
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: how stuff works and had two in the house illustrators
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: that I won't name, and remember one of them drew
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: a like a park scene for me and the tree
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: clearly had a marijuana leaf like embedded in it. And
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: I was like, hey, man, you can't do that, and
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: he was like, oh, I was completely an accident. I
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: was like, man, I wasn't born yesterday. I've seen a
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: pot leaf before. I mean, I thought it was funny,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: but like, you know, yeah, I couldn't do that. Do
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: you got anything else? I don't think so. Easy bake oven,
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: mac and cheese you can bake. Oh. In two thousand
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: three they they introduced the real meal oven and you
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: could That's when you could do like French fries and
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: pizza and mac and cheese and stuff. I think that
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: was the predecessor to the ceramic heating element that they
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: eventually reads the easy Bacon in two thousands six. Good stuff,
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Good stuff. If you want a nice blast from the past,
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: just type in like easy bake oven commercials. There's one
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: from that was just perfect. Was it rad? No, it
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: was pretty rad. Okay, it was like Carpenter's era Gotcha,
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: which is not rad but still lovely. Yes, I love
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: the Carpenters, me too. Um. Well, if you want to
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: know more about easy bake ovens, or the Carpenters or
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: the snoopy snowcomb machine, just go onto the internet. It's
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: a vast repository of stuff like that. And since I
• 33:52
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• 33:57
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• 34:00
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• 34:01
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• 34:12
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• 34:20
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• 35:24
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