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Murder In Moscow: What Drove Bryan Kohberger Into the King Road Home? (7/31/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the program. One
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  Speaker 1: of the burning questions when it comes to Brian Colberger
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  Speaker 1: and what happened in Moscow is what was the motivation
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  Speaker 1: behind it? What was his motive? Why would somebody decide
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  Speaker 1: to go into a house and stab for college students
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  Speaker 1: seemingly for no reason? And the answer is, we just
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  Speaker 1: don't know, at least not for sure, but we do
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  Speaker 1: have some theories. And in today's episode, we're going to
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  Speaker 1: be taking a look at an article from People and
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  Speaker 1: hearing from some lawyers about what they think the motive
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  Speaker 1: could have been that drove Brian Colberger to murder the
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  Speaker 1: Idaho for Like I said, this article was published by
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  Speaker 1: People and the headline Here's what experts and lawyers have
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  Speaker 1: said about Brian Colberger's motive. This article was authored by
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  Speaker 1: Jordana Comitter and Caroline Blair. Because Brian Colberger accepted a
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  Speaker 1: plea deal in the killing of University of Idaho students,
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  Speaker 1: he avoided the death penalty a trial and never had
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  Speaker 1: the state a motive. And I remember at the time,
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  Speaker 1: I was not a big fan of this plea deal,
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  Speaker 1: and this is why I know that there'd be some
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  Speaker 1: shit happening later on down the road always is with
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  Speaker 1: somebody like Coburger. When you have somebody who's a narcissist,
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  Speaker 1: this is what you get. He's probably taking great joy
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  Speaker 1: and making the family suffer, especially after the way Kayley
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  Speaker 1: Gon'salfa's sister laid into his bitch ass during the impact statements.
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  Speaker 1: So you know that he's smarting over that and his
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  Speaker 1: little bitch boy pride can't take it. So what does
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  Speaker 1: he have left to him? This is it? How can
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  Speaker 1: I make their lives miserable once again? In my opinion,
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  Speaker 1: that's what it comes down to. On November thirteenth, twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty two, Coburger, who was a PhD student at the
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  Speaker 1: nearby Washington State University, drove to an off campus home
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  Speaker 1: in Moscow, Idaho, where five female students lived. He proceeded
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  Speaker 1: to fatally stabb three of the roommates, Kaylee Gonsalvez, Madison Mogan,
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  Speaker 1: and Xana Kernodle, as well Askernodle's boyfriend Ethan Chapin. And
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  Speaker 1: I remember in the direct aftermath of this, when we
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  Speaker 1: were covering it, all the crazy theories that popped up.
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  Speaker 1: It was a cartel hit. It was over drugs, the
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  Speaker 1: FBI was involved in the actual hit. You know, all
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  Speaker 1: kinds of crazy stuff, And my initial reaction was that
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  Speaker 1: somebody that was close to them was responsible, somebody's ex boyfriend,
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  Speaker 1: something like that. But as things progressed, it was rather
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  Speaker 1: obvious that nobody that was close to them in their
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  Speaker 1: lives was responsible for this, at least according to the evidence.
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  Speaker 1: But I remember all of the allegations being thrown around
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  Speaker 1: at the time, including by some knucklehead who is some
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  Speaker 1: kind of like psychic or tarot card reader or whatever
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  Speaker 1: over on TikTok. She ended up getting sued by the
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  Speaker 1: way after claiming that one of the professors was involved
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  Speaker 1: in these murders. But I think that the Coburger case
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  Speaker 1: was the testing ground, if you will, for these weirdos
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  Speaker 1: that come out and just make shit up. It took
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  Speaker 1: authorities over a month to arrest Colburger via DNA evidence
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  Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania. He was charged with four counts of first
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  Speaker 1: degree murder, but maintained his innocence. Ahead of his schedule
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  Speaker 1: August twenty twenty five trial, Colberger changed his plea and
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  Speaker 1: agreed to a deal in which he pleaded guilty to
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  Speaker 1: the murders. To avoid the death penalty. The deal also
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  Speaker 1: meant Colburger never went a trial where a possible motive
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  Speaker 1: could have been exposed, and that's why the judge should
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  Speaker 1: have made him say clearly what he did. He should
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  Speaker 1: have had to give a statement claiming that he killed
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  Speaker 1: everybody and not just say yes. They should have embarrassed
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  Speaker 1: him in that courtroom. Then again, knowing Brian Colberger's bitch ass,
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  Speaker 1: he wouldn't have been embarrassed. One year after he received
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  Speaker 1: four consecutive life sentences, Coburger filed a petition to reverse
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  Speaker 1: his plea deal and obtain a trial by alleging his
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  Speaker 1: attorneys withheld exculpatory discovery. Colburger's fighting is guilty plea from
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  Speaker 1: behind bars at the Idaho Maximum Security Institution. They should
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  Speaker 1: have just thrown him in general population been done with it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so tired of these people like Brian Colberger or
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  Speaker 1: other serial killers getting some kind of decent life behind bars.
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  Speaker 1: I don't care if they have notoriety, and now that
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  Speaker 1: they're convicted, well they should be with everybody else. Why
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  Speaker 1: should this state be on the hook for more money
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  Speaker 1: to put Brian Colberger in some secluded part of the jail,
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  Speaker 1: fuck that, and fuck him. In the near four years
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  Speaker 1: since Colberger killed the four students, he has not spoken
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  Speaker 1: about a possible motive, but experts and lawyers have shared
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  Speaker 1: their theories. The Netflix three part docuseries The Idaho Murders
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  Speaker 1: College Nightmare, which premiered on July twenty ninth, revisits the tragedy.
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  Speaker 1: So what of experts and lawyers said about Brian Colberger's motive?
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  Speaker 1: Here's what we know and I watched the documentary, and
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  Speaker 1: if you know the basics of the case, it's just
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  Speaker 1: a fresher course basically, nothing new, nothing groundbreaking, but certainly
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  Speaker 1: well done and worth a watch if you're interested in
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  Speaker 1: the topic. What of experts and lawyers said about Brian
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  Speaker 1: Colberger's motives? Daring Coberger's plea hearing in early July twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty five, Leyta County Prosecutor Bill Thompson detailed the knight
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  Speaker 1: of the murders and said there was no evidence there
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  Speaker 1: was any sexual component or sexual assault on any of
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  Speaker 1: the victims. I want to make that clear so there
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  Speaker 1: is no speculation. And if that's what he said, that's
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  Speaker 1: what he said. I have a hard time believing that
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  Speaker 1: wasn't the motivation. My running theory is that he was
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  Speaker 1: infatuated with Matti Mogan, whether he saw her at the
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  Speaker 1: Mad Greek or wherever, and that became the impetus, right.
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  Speaker 1: But when he got there, he wasn't expecting Kaylee to
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  Speaker 1: be there, and once she was there, it threw him
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  Speaker 1: into a rage. How dare you interrupt my time with Mattie?
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  Speaker 1: You know that kind of thing, And that's why you
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  Speaker 1: see the brutality that we saw with Kaylee. And that's
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  Speaker 1: always in my speculation. And again, look, just my speculation.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know for sure, nobody does, but I think
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  Speaker 1: that's the most logical way to go about it, right,
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  Speaker 1: the most logical path to travel down. However, days later,
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  Speaker 1: Steve Gonsalves, whose daughter Kaylee was one of the four victims,
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  Speaker 1: shared during an appearance on Newsnight's Banfield that he strongly
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  Speaker 1: disagrees with Thompson's remarks based on information he allegedly got
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  Speaker 1: from individuals involved in the investigation. People got so angry
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  Speaker 1: at what was happening in that courtroom that they would
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  Speaker 1: literally pick up their phone and call us and say,
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  Speaker 1: this is what is on Brian's phone, This is what
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  Speaker 1: he was searching this was sexually motivated. Steve claimed, I
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  Speaker 1: don't care what Thompson said, And look, man, I happen
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  Speaker 1: to agree. The prosecution's not going to give us everything
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  Speaker 1: they have. They're going to give us what they think
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  Speaker 1: they can prove. And if they can't prove a sexual
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  Speaker 1: component of this, they're not going to just float that.
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  Speaker 1: That's not how this works. But my opinion, and you
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  Speaker 1: can take that down to the local corner store with
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  Speaker 1: a buck fifty and get coffee. But in my opinion,
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  Speaker 1: there's no doubt that there was some kind of sexual motivation.
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  Speaker 1: Did he go through with that and sexually abuse these girls?
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  Speaker 1: According to the evidence that were privy to he didn't.
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  Speaker 1: But does that mean that wasn't the motivation? I don't
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  Speaker 1: think so. Since the gag order in the case had
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  Speaker 1: just been removed, Steve was able to share more about
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  Speaker 1: why he disagreed, alleging that somebody involved in the investigation
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  Speaker 1: informed him of Coburger's weird, weird porn fetishes, which allegedly
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  Speaker 1: included drunk, pasted out girls and gaging girls and other
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  Speaker 1: very disturbing searches. Now, Brian Colberger was very smart when
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  Speaker 1: it comes to covering his tracks, and he was able
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  Speaker 1: to get rid of a lot of that digital evidence.
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  Speaker 1: And look, Brian Colberger is a sophisticated criminal right in
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  Speaker 1: at least one sense covering his tracks because the fact
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  Speaker 1: that there was no DNA or blood found in his
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  Speaker 1: car leads me to believe that he had the car
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  Speaker 1: set up to make sure he captured any kind of shedding.
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  Speaker 1: And when you're a criminology, you know, student PhD, that's
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  Speaker 1: not the most difficult thing in the world to do.
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  Speaker 1: So I always was under the impression that Brian Colberger
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  Speaker 1: had the car set you know, whether it was plastic,
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  Speaker 1: whatever he had put down was for the purpose of
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  Speaker 1: making sure that no DNA evidence was found in the car.
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  Speaker 1: And they pulled that car apart down to the studs,
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  Speaker 1: they didn't find anything. Those are two things that were
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  Speaker 1: part of that crime scene. So for Thompson to say
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  Speaker 1: that there was no sexual assault, Steve claimed adding, of
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  Speaker 1: course there wasn't evidence of sexual assault. He didn't have
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  Speaker 1: enough time. Somebody came up there, and I agree with that. Look,
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  Speaker 1: I think it was because Kaylee was there and he
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  Speaker 1: didn't expect her to be there, and the fact that
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  Speaker 1: she was just threw everything into chaos. And let me
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  Speaker 1: tell you what, Brian Coberger's real lucky that the two
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  Speaker 1: roommates that were downstairs weren't men, because I have a
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  Speaker 1: hard time believing that any dude who sees another dude
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  Speaker 1: walk into their house with the ski mask isn't going
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  Speaker 1: to give him that business. You come into my house
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  Speaker 1: with a ski mask, buddy, it's going to be a
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  Speaker 1: long fucking day. And the one promise I can make
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  Speaker 1: you is you're not leaving through the same door that
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  Speaker 1: you arrived in. But unfortunately that wasn't the case in Idaho,
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  Speaker 1: and I think that was all by design. I think
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  Speaker 1: Brian Colberger was staking this place out, knew exactly the
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  Speaker 1: house he wanted to hit, might have been looking at
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  Speaker 1: other houses too, right maybe, but found the house he wanted,
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  Speaker 1: and like usual, he fixated on it. And I think
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  Speaker 1: the driving force behind that was Madison Mogen. Days later,
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  Speaker 1: Colberger was given a final opportunity to speak before his
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  Speaker 1: sentencing by an Idaho judge. Instead of defending himself, he
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  Speaker 1: uttered just three words, my respectfully decline. Then he left
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  Speaker 1: the courtroom without acknowledging his mother and sister. Members of
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  Speaker 1: the Technology forensic evidence team that investigated Colberger's cell phone
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  Speaker 1: and computer explained in the Idaho Murders College Nightmare that is,
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  Speaker 1: lack of contacts, internet searches and apps led them to
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  Speaker 1: believe he was cautious and taking extra steps not to
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  Speaker 1: get caught. Well, I don't have very many contacts in
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  Speaker 1: my phone. I don't know if that's a big tell.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't use apps really either, to tell
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  Speaker 1: you the truth. But I'm also forty six years old.
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  Speaker 1: These younger kids a little different, right, I'm sure you
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  Speaker 1: know college age kids. I know when I was in college,
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  Speaker 1: forget it, my phone never stopped bringing. So it is
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  Speaker 1: a bit odd when we're talking about a college age dude.
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  Speaker 1: But Brian Colberger was a weird dude as it is
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  Speaker 1: without all this other stuff, right, not exactly the kind
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  Speaker 1: of guy that's showing up and it's going to be
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  Speaker 1: the life of the party, breaking out doing the robot.
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  Speaker 1: In addition to forensic pathologist and former Chief Medical Examiner
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  Speaker 1: of Onondaga County, Mary Jumbalick, MD told people that Sheep
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  Speaker 1: leaves his motive related to the killing the three women
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  Speaker 1: differently than the one male victim. The three young women
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  Speaker 1: show a pattern of overkill by the perpetrator, jum Bellick
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  Speaker 1: told people in February of twenty twenty six, while explaining
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  Speaker 1: that overkill is when the infliction of injuries exceeds the
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  Speaker 1: force necessary to cause death and can indicate an intense
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  Speaker 1: emotional rage. And that is for sure. There was a
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  Speaker 1: ton of overkill, and like I said earlier, I think
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  Speaker 1: that was brought on by the fact that Kaylee was
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  Speaker 1: there that launched this dude directly into orbit. Profilers say
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  Speaker 1: that this type of injury indicates a strong motive and
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  Speaker 1: a need to dominate. Why hasn't Brian Colberger's motive been revealed?
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  Speaker 1: In addition to Coburger not disclosing his motive for the murders,
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  Speaker 1: prosecutors have also been unable to find evidence to suggest
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  Speaker 1: a particular reason for the killings. After Coberger took the
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  Speaker 1: plea deal. In early July twenty twenty five, Thompson presented
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  Speaker 1: some of the evidence gathered throughout the case and shared
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  Speaker 1: that they had failed to locate the murder weapon. That's
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  Speaker 1: not shocking. He took that long ass drive home. You
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  Speaker 1: know how much ground you have to cover to find
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  Speaker 1: that murder weapon? You want to talk about a needle
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  Speaker 1: in a haystack. We're talking about a needle in a
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  Speaker 1: needle stack. So I never had very much confidence that
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  Speaker 1: they'd find the weapon. And again, we're talking about Colberger,
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  Speaker 1: who is a sophisticated criminal compared to most of the killers.
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  Speaker 1: We talk about a guy that actually knows the process
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  Speaker 1: at the very least. When it came time to discuss motive,
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  Speaker 1: Thompson shared that investigators found evidence of Colberger's phone pinging
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  Speaker 1: the cellular tower in the area of the victims off
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  Speaker 1: campus home multiple times in the months leading up to
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  Speaker 1: the murders. However, Thompson said, prosecutors still cannot connect the
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  Speaker 1: killer to his victims. We do not have evidence that
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  Speaker 1: they had direct contact with the home, but we can
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  Speaker 1: put his phone in that area at those times, Thompson said,
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  Speaker 1: And folks, remember, it's not just one piece of evidence,
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  Speaker 1: it's the preponderance of all of it put together. And
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  Speaker 1: when you put all the evidence they have against Colburger together,
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  Speaker 1: I have no idea how anyone could think the dude's innocent.
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  Speaker 1: Will Brian Colberger's motives ever be revealed In exchange for
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  Speaker 1: Coburger's plea prosecutors agreed that they would not seek the
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  Speaker 1: death penalty. Instead. On July twenty third, twenty twenty five,
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  Speaker 1: Colburger received four life sentences plus ten years for a
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  Speaker 1: burglary charge, and two hundred and seventy thousand in fines
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  Speaker 1: and civil penalties. He's the only one that has the why,
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  Speaker 1: Idaho State Police Lieutenant Darren Gilbertson told ABC News in
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  Speaker 1: July of twenty twenty five, and oftentimes that why. It
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  Speaker 1: may only make sense to him, And I think that's fair.
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  Speaker 1: I know that's not what people want to hear, right,
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  Speaker 1: And I wish I could tell you something different. I
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  Speaker 1: wish I had some kind of key to the universe
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  Speaker 1: where I could find all this information out. But the
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  Speaker 1: truth is, unless this bitch ass, Brian Colberger ever speaks up,
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  Speaker 1: we're never gonna know. However, Burger's petition to reverse his
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  Speaker 1: plea and request a trial could potentially drum up further
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  Speaker 1: information on a motive. Coberger alleged that he was convinced
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  Speaker 1: to falsely confess through coercion, disinformation, false promises, and withholding
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  Speaker 1: of exculpatory evidence. Although Coberger claimed his attorneys failed to
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  Speaker 1: tell him about unknown hair and Ethan Chapin's hands. He
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  Speaker 1: isn't guaranteed a trial. Former federal prosecutor Nimo Rockmani told
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  Speaker 1: people that he believes this petition is going to be denied.
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  Speaker 1: I think so too, But like I said, if they
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  Speaker 1: appoint a lawyer that could tell us something different, and
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  Speaker 1: that's what they did. So we'll just follow along and
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  Speaker 1: we'll see where it goes. Right, We'll see what they do,
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  Speaker 1: We'll see what Coburger does, and we'll see how the
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  Speaker 1: state responds. If the defense knew the prosecution failed to
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  Speaker 1: disclose the existence of this hair or any other exculpatory material,
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  Speaker 1: they would have filed their own motion because that was
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  Speaker 1: a way they could have gotten the death penalty struck
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  Speaker 1: from the case. ROCKMANI said, Ian Colberger would be free rolling.
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  Speaker 1: He would roll the dice and go to trial. And honestly,
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  Speaker 1: as much as I don't think he's going to get
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  Speaker 1: a new trial, I almost hope he does. So this
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  Speaker 1: time they can go all the way and give his
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  Speaker 1: bitch ask what he deserves at the end of it.
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  Speaker 1: And yo, I remain open to new evidence. If there's
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  Speaker 1: something new that points in a different direction, I'd love
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  Speaker 1: to see it, but as of now, there's no new evidence,
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  Speaker 1: nothing that would make anyone who sits on a Jerry
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  Speaker 1: especially think that Brian Colberger is not the man who
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  Speaker 1: did this. So I'll keep an eye on the docket
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  Speaker 1: and when we have some new filings, and obviously when
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  Speaker 1: there's new information, we'll get that added to the catalog.
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  Speaker 1: All the information that goes with this episode can be
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