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Joel Anderson on Why Muhammad Ali lighting the Olympic Torch Still Defines Atlanta 1996 | 7.23 · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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  Speaker 1: Wave. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time. A
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  Speaker 1: a hater. It is a time machine. Thursday. Well, we
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  Speaker 1: will talk about the other things for the 1996 Summer
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  Speaker 1: Olympics with our guest. Check him out at the Ranger
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  Speaker 1: tailgate and on the press box. Joel Anderson, what's going on?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, what's up? You going to do it with me
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  Speaker 2: or no?
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  Speaker 1: Hell no.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: That's fine. That's fine. No, no, no, no, no. That's fine.
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  Speaker 4: That's okay. Maybe one day.
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  Speaker 1: That's kind of like that time Pablo tried to get
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  Speaker 1: me to do some Dragon Ball Z shit on the
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  Speaker 1: show one time.
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  Speaker 3: He did?
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  Speaker 1: It was something called a fusion dance. And I was like, boy,
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  Speaker 1: you got me bent.
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  Speaker 3: I know that you're in a rush to get through this,
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  Speaker 3: but don't compare Raising the Roof to Dragon Ball Z.
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  Speaker 2: You can't do that. You just can't.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, Joel, you Raised the Roof in 2026.
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  Speaker 2: Look, man, we looking back. We looking back right now.
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  Speaker 2: This is the time.
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  Speaker 1: That's fair, but you do that all the time. All
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying is I can compare them. I could not
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  Speaker 1: compare them in 98. I can't compare them today.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think it's a fair comparison, but that's fine.
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  Speaker 1: I know you don't.
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  Speaker 4: I know you don't.
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  Speaker 1: Because you somehow think that you doing this shit, that
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  Speaker 1: this 1996 thing is cooler than the anime people.
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  Speaker 2: It is.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm not sold.
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  Speaker 2: I would argue.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, Zero just released a video for Mo City
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  Speaker 3: Don the other day.
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  Speaker 2: So we bringing things back now. You know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 1: So. Mm-hmm. The 1996 Olympics. I'm curious about this for
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  Speaker 1: people because that was in Atlanta. And something that is
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  Speaker 1: interesting to note about the Atlanta Olympics is that's the
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  Speaker 1: last time they had the Olympics, the Summer Olympics, in
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  Speaker 1: a city of that size. And by that size, I
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  Speaker 1: mean a city that small. After that, it's gone big,
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  Speaker 1: mega cities after that, right? Sydney, Athens, Beijing, London, Rio, Tokyo, Paris.
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  Speaker 1: That is where it went. Atlanta, which got the games
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  Speaker 1: in part because of the Coca-Cola relationship, and I think
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  Speaker 1: the Delta Airlines part also had something to do with it.
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  Speaker 1: There was a feeling that it was a little not
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  Speaker 1: ready for primetime. Barcelona, for what it's worth, was a
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  Speaker 1: little not ready for primetime, but the image of Barcelona
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  Speaker 1: changed completely after those Olympics. That introduced barcelona to the
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  Speaker 1: world but i have always been curious for people who
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  Speaker 1: did not have an atlanta familiarity at that time if
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  Speaker 1: the olympics played a role because this is this is
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  Speaker 1: the beginning or in the middle of the rise of
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  Speaker 1: the visibility of atlanta.
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  Speaker 3: Right i think if i guess it kind of depends
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  Speaker 3: on the two americas thing right because if you're black
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  Speaker 3: and it's the 1990s atlanta isn't quite yet the center
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  Speaker 3: of culture but it's becoming one of those places right
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  Speaker 3: like All of your favorite, even Tupac was living in
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  Speaker 3: Atlanta by 1996, right? There's, you know, the movies that
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  Speaker 3: are coming out of there, the TV shows. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: if you watch School Days, for instance, for Spike Lee,
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  Speaker 3: like you kind of had a visage of what Atlanta was.
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  Speaker 3: But no, obviously it didn't compare to like Los Angeles
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  Speaker 3: because I remember watching the Olympics in 1984 just a
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  Speaker 3: little bit. And Atlanta didn't have anything like the.
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  Speaker 2: Coliseum, you know?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. And so if you were alive at that time,
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  Speaker 3: you're like, how is Atlanta going to have something that
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  Speaker 3: looks like the Coliseum there?
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  Speaker 2: Because the Omni, I didn't think.
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  Speaker 3: The Omni was going to do that or wherever the
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  Speaker 3: Braves played at that time.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, they built a hell of a stadium for it, though.
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  Speaker 1: They did.
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  Speaker 2: They did. They did.
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  Speaker 3: But we didn't know where Atlanta was. And again, I'm
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  Speaker 3: from Houston. I was like, why is Atlanta getting it
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  Speaker 3: over Houston?
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  Speaker 1: That's the most Houston thing in the world to say.
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  Speaker 4: Like this had anything to do with y'all.
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  Speaker 3: Well, no, it's just like Atlanta, not that much bigger
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  Speaker 3: than us. Like if it's not going to be the
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  Speaker 3: greater New York area, if it's not going to be
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  Speaker 3: Los Angeles, maybe.
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  Speaker 2: Chicago would have been a place that would have been.
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  Speaker 3: In the running. But to pick Atlanta, that was really,
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  Speaker 3: really unique. And they had to do a hell of
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  Speaker 3: a sales job and maybe sweeten the pot if, you know,
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  Speaker 3: you're to believe what the IOC, you know, needed to
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  Speaker 3: make that work.
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  Speaker 1: Well, what I find interesting in you saying that about Houston, again,
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  Speaker 1: my Atlanta familiarity was a little more personal at that point.
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  Speaker 1: I always say Atlanta was just a lot more cracking
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  Speaker 1: than Houston was. So like the idea, like Houston never
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  Speaker 1: seemed like a place to me that you might have
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  Speaker 1: the Olympics in my mind because of my experience. Atlanta
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  Speaker 1: seemed more like a place where this would happen. But no,
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  Speaker 1: by 1996 and in 1996, Houston super crack into Houston. Right. Outside,
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  Speaker 1: not so much. Atlanta was at that point now in
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  Speaker 1: part because of Freak Nick and other things. Somebody would
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  Speaker 1: pull up to Atlanta for a weekend and be.
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  Speaker 4: Like, dog, I don't.
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  Speaker 1: You'll never believe this. Like, I didn't know it was
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  Speaker 1: possible for a place like this to exist. Like, Houston,
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  Speaker 1: even at its.
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  Speaker 4: Dopest, is not unbelievable.
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  Speaker 1: Atlanta, as a notion, was unbelievable, especially to Black people
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  Speaker 1: when they pulled up.
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  Speaker 2: Well, absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: Atlanta was, at that point, was like becoming the capital
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  Speaker 3: of Black America. You know, I mean, I guess there's
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  Speaker 3: always been so many chocolate cities. There's been D.C., New Orleans,
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  Speaker 3: and Atlanta was sort of asserting itself in that hierarchy
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  Speaker 3: right then. And yeah, Freak Nick had a lot to
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  Speaker 3: do with that. And I would also, again, I would
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  Speaker 3: also argue school days and a lot of the other
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  Speaker 3: movies that were in and out of Atlanta at that
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  Speaker 3: time sort of left an indelible impression on folks. And yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it's fair to say Houston was sort of a second
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  Speaker 3: tier city at that point. Nobody would go to Houston
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  Speaker 3: and hang out. Like you lived in Houston, but you
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  Speaker 3: didn't go to hang out in Houston. Atlanta was one
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  Speaker 3: of those places that you would go down there. And
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  Speaker 3: even I knew this as a kid because I had
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  Speaker 3: a good friend of mine who moved to Atlanta, his
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  Speaker 3: parents moved to Atlanta when he was in college, and
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  Speaker 3: it was like, oh man, you down there in Atlanta, man,
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  Speaker 3: tell me what it's like, what's going on, what's popping
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  Speaker 3: down there? And so like, yeah, I could, but I
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  Speaker 3: didn't know what white folks thought of Atlanta at that time, right?
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest with you, I still don't know
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  Speaker 1: what white folks thought of Atlanta. Atlanta's the ultimate to
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  Speaker 1: America City in that regard. This is now almost 15
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  Speaker 1: years ago, but I went out one night with Spencer,
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  Speaker 1: And he had me in some medieval bar, right? And
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  Speaker 1: I'm there. And it dawned on me that in all
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  Speaker 1: that time, by then I'd been around Atlanta in like
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  Speaker 1: some capacity for like 15 years.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I had never been out with a white person before.
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  Speaker 2: Makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm not somebody who doesn't hang out with white people.
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  Speaker 1: That's just how Atlanta gets down.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I would, I guess maybe a
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  Speaker 3: lot of Southern cities are like that, but it certainly
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  Speaker 3: makes sense in Atlanta. And, Here's what we can talk about.
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  Speaker 3: This is a book that we're both familiar with, White
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  Speaker 3: Flight by Kevin Cruz. And if you read about Atlanta,
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  Speaker 3: Atlanta is shifting a lot at that point, right?
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  Speaker 2: Like the suburbs are getting larger.
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  Speaker 3: White folks are giving up on it because at that point,
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  Speaker 3: Black political leadership is taking over. But there was still
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  Speaker 3: the white businesses and they had reached sort of a
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  Speaker 3: truce by that point. But in terms of where white
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  Speaker 3: folks live, they were increasingly moving out of the city.
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  Speaker 4: And moving into- Well, they've been gone by then.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, yeah, that's right. 80s, 70s, 80s.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the exception of a couple pockets. They gave up fast.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The best is when they were trying- I think they
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  Speaker 1: were talking about integrating Piedmont Park. That's in this book.
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  Speaker 1: And white people were like, okay, but- then where are
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  Speaker 1: we going to go? And they were like, well, you
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  Speaker 1: can keep going to Piedmont Park. They like, nah, I
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  Speaker 1: don't think you understand what we talking about. Where are
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  Speaker 1: we going to go? Like once a couple of black
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  Speaker 1: families pulled up, they all rolled out. It's the wildest
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  Speaker 1: thing as it happened. And so the 60s are Atlanta
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  Speaker 1: calling itself the city that's too busy to hate. That's
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  Speaker 1: what they were going for. They weren't too busy to move,
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  Speaker 1: but like too busy to hate. They was too busy
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  Speaker 1: to put the Mardi anywhere that the white folks was going.
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  Speaker 4: But they weren't too busy to hate. That's what they said.
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  Speaker 1: So now this all comes together and it culminates where
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  Speaker 1: I feel like the thing with the Olympics was now
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  Speaker 1: everybody kind of got to share. Yeah. Because it's still
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  Speaker 1: the Olympics. Like that ain't going to run the white
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  Speaker 1: folks off completely. But to me, that is Atlanta officially
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  Speaker 1: having a dot on every map.
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  Speaker 2: That's right.
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 1: Like it is now the perception of what it was.
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  Speaker 1: The thing is, Atlanta cracking as you may think it was,
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  Speaker 1: it isn't that big.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: At that time, it wasn't that large.
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  Speaker 2: It's shocking.
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  Speaker 3: The city itself may not even have over 500,000 people.
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  Speaker 3: Like the actual city core, the metro area is large.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, the city itself is not very big at all.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, this city was not big enough to host
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  Speaker 1: an Olympic Games, but they was down to try. They
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  Speaker 1: built everything out there. Everybody got a little bit. Every
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  Speaker 1: college that was in the city got a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: We got some stadiums. We got a walkway. You know
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  Speaker 1: what I'm saying? Georgia Tech got dorms. Georgia State got dorms.
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  Speaker 1: They got Turner Field, which is the Olympic. It was
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  Speaker 1: all of this.
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  Speaker 4: It was a very interesting study in.
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  Speaker 1: why so many cities are willing to host the Olympics
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  Speaker 1: despite all the corruption, despite the fact that it's typically
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  Speaker 1: not going to be the economic boom that people advertise
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  Speaker 1: that it's going to be. I would say for that city,
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  Speaker 1: it worked.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's weird because you're right. But at that point,
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  Speaker 3: I don't even think people thought of the Olympics like that.
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  Speaker 3: I think that is more of a 21st century proposition
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  Speaker 3: where people are like, we're not going to make our
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  Speaker 3: money back on this.
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  Speaker 2: And it's going to be so disruptive. Why would we
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  Speaker 2: do this?
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  Speaker 3: But you're coming back from 84, the LA Olympics, where
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  Speaker 3: it's kind of interesting that both of the cities in
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  Speaker 3: America at that point that they had the Olympics and
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  Speaker 3: had black mayors, like Tom Bradley was the mayor in
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  Speaker 3: LA at that time. And the LA Olympics was a
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  Speaker 3: tremendous success. They didn't lose money. Like it was one
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  Speaker 3: of the, one of the few ones where they had
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  Speaker 3: these private and public and private partnerships in it. And
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  Speaker 3: it was good for the city. And Atlanta was sort
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  Speaker 3: of the same proposition and Atlanta had so much more.
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  Speaker 2: To gain, right.
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  Speaker 3: Like by hosting this, it's not like, it wasn't going
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  Speaker 3: to change how people felt about New York and LA,
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  Speaker 3: but Atlanta was, like you said, it really changed it
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  Speaker 3: and made it like one of those major cities.
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  Speaker 2: And I mean, at that point in Atlanta.
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  Speaker 3: Even today, it has the largest airport in the country,
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  Speaker 3: but did it have it?
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  Speaker 4: Chicago O'Hare was still number one.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. At that point, at that point, or it's the busiest.
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  Speaker 4: That's the, the, the clarification.
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  Speaker 1: But I feel like, I think there are four defining figures.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: Particularly for Americans from those Olympic games.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Right. I am going to do my best to address
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  Speaker 1: them as to what I would consider to be chronologically
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  Speaker 1: as they had their significance. And as I throw one,
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  Speaker 1: obviously this would be like a blind list, but I
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  Speaker 1: want you to tell me if you think it makes sense. Right. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Figure number one, Muhammad Ali. Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Probably the most indelible image of that, that Olympics.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely. So let me ask you this about the Ali
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  Speaker 1: moment at the lighting the torch, right? Standing there as
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  Speaker 1: an older man and shaking and all of the things
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  Speaker 1: that went into that moment. Did you appreciate that moment
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  Speaker 1: as a moment of national reconciliation in real time? And
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying that as somebody, you and I are roughly
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  Speaker 1: the same age, right? Did you view it that way
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  Speaker 1: at the time? Because I feel like I thought it
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  Speaker 1: was cool that he was lighting the torch, but I
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  Speaker 1: didn't get the point.
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  Speaker 3: I thought by that point, Muhammad Ali had already sort
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  Speaker 3: of been defamed as a controversial figure, right? And so
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  Speaker 3: I thought that that had already happened. Like by the
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  Speaker 3: time he's doing the torch thing, I'm like, by this time,
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  Speaker 3: people have already sort of decided we're going to forget
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  Speaker 3: about the time when we hated Ali. And this is
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  Speaker 3: just sort of like the final crowning achievement in his life.
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  Speaker 3: And remember, Muhammad Ali was an Olympian at one point
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  Speaker 3: in his life. So I thought, oh, this is just
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  Speaker 3: sort of the crowning achievement of his life. This is
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  Speaker 3: sort of the end. This is marking. the final, you know,
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  Speaker 3: the sunset of his life. I didn't think of it
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  Speaker 3: as some big sort of national reconciliation thing. I just thought, okay,
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  Speaker 3: like he's probably the most prominent American male sports figure.
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  Speaker 3: I guess maybe Michael Jordan would have been right there
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  Speaker 3: with him at that time.
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  Speaker 2: And so it made sense, but I didn't think of
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  Speaker 2: it in quite those terms.
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  Speaker 1: I guess I didn't realize the white folks still hated him.
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  Speaker 1: you know what i mean because all right because if
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  Speaker 1: you think about it that's right like by the time
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  Speaker 1: you get to the 90s like i remember it used
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  Speaker 1: to be to get you to subscribe to sports illustrated
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  Speaker 1: they would send you like videotapes there would be all
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  Speaker 1: kinds of things that they would give you right so
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  Speaker 1: they'd be like nfl films tape that you might get
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  Speaker 1: or whatever and i remembered that they had sent us
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  Speaker 1: some muhammad ali tape and i remember i forget who
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  Speaker 1: the host was um It may have been Barry, what's
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  Speaker 1: his name? Is it Barry?
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  Speaker 4: It's not Barry Jenkins.
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  Speaker 1: That's the dude that directs the movies. But I forget
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  Speaker 1: what the guy's name was, but it was him. And
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  Speaker 1: it was Angelo Dundee.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Right? And obviously they went through everything. They go through
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  Speaker 1: the story about Ali getting his bike taken and everything
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  Speaker 1: that went to that. And they talk about him going
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  Speaker 1: to Rome and then him winning the championship. But obviously
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  Speaker 1: every video... is him being incredibly charming and everything else, right?
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  Speaker 1: And the guys talking about it are obviously this one
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  Speaker 1: guy and his trainer. And they're going through it and
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  Speaker 1: they get to the part with, you know, obviously with
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  Speaker 1: the war, him winning the title and the war and
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  Speaker 1: everything else, da-da-da. And, you know, it was pretty... clear
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  Speaker 1: that Ali had offended a bunch of people or whatever,
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  Speaker 1: but I guess in my mind and watching it, it
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  Speaker 1: was like he beat George Foreman and then, okay, cool,
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  Speaker 1: we back.
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  Speaker 4: Everything is back cool.
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  Speaker 1: I had greatly underestimated the level at which people could
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  Speaker 1: continue to dislike him. It's like my dad talks about
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  Speaker 1: Ali and says he was fascinated to learn that there
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  Speaker 1: were black people who didn't ride for Ali. Because you
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  Speaker 1: got to remember, man, he denounced our Lord and Savior
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  Speaker 1: Jesus Christ.
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  Speaker 2: That's right.
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  Speaker 1: That's a good point. He was not here for everybody.
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  Speaker 1: It's like the time my dad said that he found
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  Speaker 1: out it was Jamaicans who didn't like Bob Marley. He
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  Speaker 1: thought that this was something that we could all agree on. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we all agree on it. So I figured by that time,
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  Speaker 1: like I've seen Ali pull up on the Arsenio Hall
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  Speaker 1: show and all of this. I had thought by that
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  Speaker 1: time Ali was still there. Moral of the story, man,
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  Speaker 1: white folks, I mean, you can relate to this. White
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  Speaker 1: folks can hold a grudge. Now that I say this,
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  Speaker 1: I want to look at your family tree.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, look, bro.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, old white folks weren't talking about that in 1996.
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  Speaker 3: It wasn't okay to talk about this. Like, they may
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  Speaker 3: have held onto that grudge, but we didn't know, right?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know what I meant to say? I'm
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  Speaker 1: sorry not to interrupt you. But with that video, I
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  Speaker 1: had to remember that so much of the, like, that
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  Speaker 1: video was a product of New York media. Yeah. Right?
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  Speaker 1: And those guys up there, ironically, a lot of the
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: Jewish cats, right, considered Ali's, you know, kicking it with
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: the nation but they like whether you're talking about like
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: bob lipsight right or anybody you know down those those
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: cats were ali guys yeah right like all those new
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: york all those new york guys who went down to
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: miami to cover him they were all new york guys
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: a lot of those guys wrote that like tom hauser
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: how much money tom hauser making the name of ali
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: for example though i thought i'd say hauser is one
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: of the more balanced people When it comes to talking
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: about Ali.
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: But he made a lot of money.
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he did.
• 15:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he made he gave them career.
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: He was the greatest thing ever to cover. Can you imagine?
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: Forget about the money part. Can you imagine how cool
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: it was to be around literally the coolest dude in
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: the world? This is the guy that you get to
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: be around. But I now look back at him lighting
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: the torch and I see the magnitude of it as
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: an idea. But the idea of reconciliation to me implicitly
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: says that it's white people realizing maybe we was tripping.
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: Because I don't think that Ali was lighting that torch
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: and then saying to himself, oh, you know, maybe I
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: was being too hard on you. No, no, no.
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: Don't think that's what it was.
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: It was like in that moment, he became figuratively Cassius
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: Clay again. Because they did love him in 1960 when
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: he was 17 years old.
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: And he's fresh-faced and he's winning boxing. I mean, a
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: lot of people obviously found him to be like a
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: blowhard and a braggart before he beat Sonny Liston. But
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: once he did, he was the champ.
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: They were excited about him beating Sonny Liston because Sonny
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: Liston was a glowing, angry black man.
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but don't forget, though. He was a glowing, angry
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: black man before a lot of people He became less
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: of that once Clay pulled up. I mean, the NAACP
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: was rooting for Sonny List.
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. That's right.
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: To win that fight.
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: That's right. That's right. That's right.
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: You know, the Muhammad Ali thing is so interesting because
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: you talked about how there were a lot of black.
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: People that weren't riding with him.
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: You know, the Joe Frazier thing also really divided people
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: because even in that moment, there were a lot of people.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: That- Suck a move.
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: Too far.
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: Series of sucker balls.
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: That's too far.
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: Calling him a gorilla in public, doing all that stuff.
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: And Joe Frazier, man, has put a lot on the
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: line to help. He gave Muhammad Ali money, bro. He
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: gave him an opportunity. And he and Muhammad Ali humiliated
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: him in public. There's a great story by Mark Cram
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: about the fights over Joe. He ran in Sports Illustrated
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: about how Joe Frazier hated Muhammad Ali.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: Oh, that last story?
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: To the day he died. He was like, man, if
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: I could get close to him, I would still hit him.
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: Like when they were retired.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: So.
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: It was Muhammad Ali, man. He was a complicated character,
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: but I think that 1996 thing did a lot to
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: make him like more cuddly, more accessible for people.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: Joe Frazier said that he wished he could have pushed
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: him into the torch.
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: And I had to ask you when you read that story,
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: you saw yourself.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: Didn't you?
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: Is Joe?
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: Yes, it's Joe Frazier.
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: Man.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: It's Joe Frazier. Let me tell you something. If you
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: were Joe Frazier, you would have killed Ali.
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: No, but I will say, reading that story made me
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: be like, I get where Joe Frazier's coming from.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: I did get where Joe Frazier was coming from. Don't
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: get me wrong, but I think I'm surprised you weren't
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: reading that like, yeah, Joe. Hell yeah.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, it changed the way I thought.
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: I mean, look, man, you know, it's If anybody ever
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: deserved to hold a grudge, it was Joe Frazier.
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: Oh my God.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: Ali is the rare complicated figure. Like generally speaking, the
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: complicated figure is somebody you like who does bad things.
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: And so you call it complication.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: No, no, no. Ali shit was all over the place,
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: but it had just never dawned on me that the
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: beef was still going on with some people by then.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: But I guess when you think about it, 36, now
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: that we're of this age, 36 years isn't as long
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: as I would have thought, as I thought it was
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: at that point in time.
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: That 19, the 1960s seemed like the olden times by
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: 1996 to us.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: Cause I've shit so much of it was in black
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: and white.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: Right. Right. I think that's a big part of it
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: is the black and white thing. Yeah.
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: So much of it was in black and white, but
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: now I'm looking at it. I'm like, Oh, that feels
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: like yesterday, bro. Like that was in my living memory.
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I, He was probably a lot more reviled
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: or much more of a controversial figure at that time
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: than we would have thought. But very few people were
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: willing to say that publicly at that point.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: But the other part is he was never publicly humbled.
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: They never.
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: I mean, he got slowed down by his life.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right. But he never bowed down off that other stuff.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: Now he embraced some strangely conservative politics. Like, his favorite
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: politician was Orrin Hatch. Because Orrin Hatch wanted to put
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: God back in schools.
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: He endorsed Ronald Reagan, bro, at one point in his life.
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: It was just like, what?
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: You know, when I read that, it just.
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: The complicated figure part of it is very well said
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: because he was all over the place. But again, them
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: Muslim cats, man, they more conservative than people give.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: Them credit for.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: They are.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: But specifically with Ali, Ali was a courageous follower. Ali
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: was not a leader, but he was willing to go
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: harder than anybody else did. You know, like every word
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: that Ali offered by and large was somebody else. I mean,
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: that was the thing. That was the grounds for Malcolm
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: X leaving the nation of Islam is every word I
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: say is another man's words. But no, but that moment,
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: I wish I.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: I wish I could have got the same thing out
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: of that that like maybe other people did because they're like, oh,
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: now he's an old man. He's been brought to the,
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: you know, the part like when people talk about the
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: Ali became beloved once he became silent. No, it's not
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: that simple because like you just said. when he was talking,
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: he was saying some wild shit. Wild to me, not
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: wild to them. He was coming a little closer to them,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: but that is the defining moment for so many people.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: I remember when they lit the torch at 92, it
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: was cool because somebody did it with a bow and arrow.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: You remember that?
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: I do remember that.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, that's kind of lit. They was like,
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: how about we got Muhammad Ali? And now I imagine,
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: I need to read about it, but in the meetings,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: that wasn't no unanimous vote. That was probably a 65.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: I could only imagine.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: And also, I mean, just in terms of physically being
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: able to do it, I don't know how you felt
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: at that point, but I was like, is he going
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: to be.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Able to do this?
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: I was kind of scared.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: I think it'd be all right. I generally believe they
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: wouldn't let you do it if you could. You know
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying?
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: I was kind of scared for him, man. I was
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: worried about him. All right.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: So that's one big moment. But throw another one out there.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: Carrie Strug.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: Huh.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: You're right.
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: I mean, her winning on one leg, that's Mary Lou Retton-esque.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: It's past Mary Lou Retton. She had two legs. Look,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: let me put it like this. My dad was like,
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, she ain't really landed, but you know it.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: And he's not wrong.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: They graded on a curve.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: They absolutely did grade her on a curve. But I
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: don't think I properly appreciated at that time what an
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: unreal feat that was of the injury that she had
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: to be like, I'm going to go do these. First
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: of all, forget about the landing, the jumping on this injury.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: And then I'm going to land this.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, to have a fracture in your leg and
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: to be able to do it.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: But I mean, at that point, people weren't asking all
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: the questions about the Carolis.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: Again, another people who.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Hey, hey, hey, different time.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: Different time.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, people didn't ask them questions back then. They were
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: just like... Nobody asked, should she be doing this? It's like,
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: I can't believe she's doing this.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: You know what, though? To be fair, even if we
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: asked if she should, you give her that choice.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: Do it every time.
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: She was not forced into... I do not believe for
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: a moment she was forced into doing that at all.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, you do it every time.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: You do it every time. You do it every time.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: There's Tyrese Halliburton in game seven. Mm-hmm.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: You got to give it a shot.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: You do it every time.
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: They will do it every time.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, you don't get to be that kind
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: of an athlete, that competitive athlete, and not have that
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: in you. Somebody has to come in and say, no,
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: this is not the right thing to do. And yeah,
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: I mean, Kerry's- Hold on.
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: Even if they come in and said that.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: She probably would have done it.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, it would be different if there was an
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: Olympics every year.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Like the world championships? Hey, maybe you miss. Right. The Olympics?
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: You only get one time.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: Especially at that time, that's before they put the age
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: minimums in.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: And those girls aged out of being able to compete
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: so quickly because a new 12-year-old, 12-year-olds can just do
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: shit that you can't do.
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, move their bodies, the size. I mean, just
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: the size alone and all that, right? So, yeah, and
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: I mean, we need to know this, holding off puberty,
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: all that other stuff that they had to do to
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: try to allow them to compete.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: But, yeah, so it worked.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: I mean... It's not like nobody thinks of Keri Strug,
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: an athlete along the lines of Simone Biles or anything
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: like that, but that moment alone makes her probably on
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: the Mount Rushmore of a great American gymnast.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: All-time clutch moment, man.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, that was some serious shit, man.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: I mean, I can actually remember. It's one of those
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: few things that I can see in my head. When
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: you said her name, I immediately saw her landing on
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: that mat just like that. That's how indelible that moment was.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: But at the same time, can you imagine how terrible
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: it would have been if she had done that flip
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: and then just landed.
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: And collapsed into the ground?
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: Oh my God, and fallen.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: Like it turned into a Joe Theismann?
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: Do you think that they would have still given her
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: like a medal?
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: But remember, it was for the team competition.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: That's fair.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: So I feel like they might have still, but like
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: how terrible would it have been if she had hit
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: the ground and then her shit just Oh, yeah.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: Saw that knee. Yeah, doing Napoleon McCallum. Yeah, they all
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: of a.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: Sudden had to just, they had to just put the
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: caramel on the American flag. We're not going to show
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: that one again.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: I mean, they ran, I mean, again, when you do
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: something like that, you run the risk. But I mean,
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: that's gymnast, that's, that's, that's gymnastics in a nutshell.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: Like, it's always death to fire.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: The fact that she was willing to do that, something
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: that's already intrinsically dangerous and do it while compromised.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's why, that's why she's a hero. Yeah, man.
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  Speaker 1: with Joel Anderson talking about the 1996 Olympics. Number three
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  Speaker 1: should have been number one to me, but I was
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  Speaker 1: kind of going chronologically, even though I don't know if
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: this fully fits the chronology, but I feel like this
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: is the third thing that happened.
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: And the third name is Richard Jewell.
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  Speaker 1: Bruh.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: Oh my God, man.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and so for those of you who don't know
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: the story, Richard Jewell, okay, somebody set a bomb off
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: in Centennial Olympic Park, which, you know, obviously big, huge thing, right?
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: And this is in between the two World Trade Center bombings.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: So like the idea of terrorism, is in that place
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: in the continuum. And Richard Jewell was the hero of
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: the moment, clearing people out of the park, all of
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: that stuff. And then we decided that actually Richard jewel did.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: It maybe he did it yeah.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: Not even but it wasn't even presented like maybe yeah
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: right it was really presented like man look at this
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: shit he's.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: A leading suspect he's a leading suspect The leading suspect.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: And so it went for him being feted and taken everywhere.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: And then, as I recall, he started having reports of people, like,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: basically being like he's a glory hog.
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: And the idea was that.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: He bombed the park so that he could get the
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: credit for being the hero for the park bombing. And
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: then for how long was it that people set up
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: in his yard?
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, months, right?
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: Months. Months.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: Like, after the Olympics were over, right? And so all
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: this is going on, and he still, like, got this
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: dirt on his name.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: Like, people are still.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: He's still... sort of a reviled figure at this point.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: I mean, I wouldn't say that he was like, I mean,
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: nobody is quite Timothy McVeigh, but you couldn't help but think, oh,
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: he's like a domestic terrorist, essentially.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: Well, hold on, though. Let us note, though, that by
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: the time we got to the bottom of it, the
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: man accused of doing it was a domestic terrorist. Oh, yeah, absolutely.
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: This was but one of his jams.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. He was not a one-hit wonder. And I don't
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: think the fury toward Rudolph Ever was what it was
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: when we thought Jewel did it. And I think the
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: reason is what people resent more than anything else is
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: feeling like they got tricked. And I think that people
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: with Jewel felt like they got tricked or like they
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: had gotten conned and quite honestly, If we had got
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: caught by that person, man, you know what I'm saying?
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Like that wouldn't have said very much about him. But
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: in the end, obviously, we found out that Jewel did
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: not do it. And so many reports were flatly wrong
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: about what happened with him. It is one of the
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: great tragedies. I think there was a 30 for 30
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: about that. Like it was one of the great tragedies
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: of 20th century America. What was done to that man?
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: They ruined that man's life. And he did sue a
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: couple of outlets. I think the New York Post being
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: one of them. We don't know how much money he won.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: Presumably it was a lot, but not enough to ever
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: really reclaim his name. Because the reason we talk about
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: him to this day is because he's associated with that.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: It's like they cleared him, but your name really can't
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: be cleared after you've been tied so closely to that bombing.
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: That's what we think of when we think of the bombing.
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: Eric Rudolph's name don't even come up.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: And it was the feds who did it to him
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: because they leaked that he was being investigated.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man.
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: They didn't have to do that.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: Like, what do you stop and think about it? What
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: did that.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Serve other than you making people feel like you was
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: out here doing some work?
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's the thing.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: They wanted to make people think, oh, we've got we've
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: got the answers.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: We know who did it. And we're working on a
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: case right there.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: And again, it.
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: It makes sense in one way if you're a law
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: enforcement agent because it makes it seem like, oh yeah,
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: y'all are on the job. This investigation is going somewhere.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: But yeah, all it did was.
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: And that's often what happens in law enforcement investigations. They
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: get it wrong, which happens more than people tend to think.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: People get their lives ruined, their careers ruined, and then
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: they move on and those people have to pick up
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: the pieces.
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he sued everybody.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: And I feel like the ultimate moral of the story
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: on this is all that suing....
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: You want to get the money, right?
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: Like, like obviously having the money better than not having
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: the money, but it's the, it's, it's the embodiment of
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: the point that the money ain't going to actually make
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: you feel better.
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: It's just the best that you can do.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: Money doesn't repair everything. Money can never repair what they
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: did to that man. And, I mean, he died way early. Like,
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: I mean, he died in his, what, late 30s, 40s? Like,
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: he didn't- Mid-40s, I want to say. Mid-40s.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: He was 44.
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and again, I mean, I don't want to blame,
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: you know, I think he died of, like, heart disease,
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: and I'm sure he had other health issues or whatever, but, like,
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: you got to believe that the toll that that took
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: on him and stories that the people that were around
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: him at the time said, look, This really took a
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: toll on him, and he never really recovered from it,
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: whether he won that money or not.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's wild because it, like, I don't want
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: to say it derailed the Olympics. I mean, obviously, it
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: was a big, giant thing, and it was a huge story.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: It did not, maybe there was something that happened the
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: next day, right? Like, I don't know what was the
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: Farrah Fawcett to the Centennial Olympic Park bombing.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, yes.
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: Some of y'all might not even know Farrah Fawcett died.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: Farrah Fawcett died in 2009, but it was the same
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: day as Michael Jackson. Oh, man.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man. Do you think people know who Farrah Fawcett is?
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: I don't think people know who that is.
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: I mean, the people who are listening to us know
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: who Farrah Fawcett is. I think children don't know who
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: Farrah Fawcett is.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: No.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: Maybe the cutoff is 30.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: Maybe the cutoff is 30. Let me tell you something.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of people that have Farrah Fawcett on
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: the wall and.
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: The lotion by the nightstand.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: She was that thang for them folk, boy.
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, as far as white women went, man,
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying? I mean, even among brothers, man,
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: you kind of had to be like, I got to
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: acknowledge that.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, she was there. But how about
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: Richard Jewell's suit? NBC News, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, CNN, the
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: New York Post, and Piedmont College. I forget what Piedmont
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: College did. Oh, I think they got in there talking
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: to the feds, telling them stuff that wasn't true.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he worked for Piedmont.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's right. They tried to play him.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: They told their Richard Jewell was crazy.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: Well, they thinking they can help. You know what I'm saying?
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: They like, oh, yeah, you know.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: What I'm saying? You know what? There was always something
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: about him because that's what happens in a moment like this.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: Everybody think the police is right. And so they pop
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: up and they be like, you know what? Could always tell.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: It was something about that boy.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: Always knew.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: Uh-huh.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: There's something about that boy.
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: He had a weird gait, and when he didn't say
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: hello to you in the mornings, I just knew something
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: was off about that man.
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but I mean, he was.
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: I can't imagine being a hero.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: Like the only thing I can think of that's similar
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: to this is when Sean Taylor died and people immediately
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: went to all the stuff he had done and everything
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: else and somehow basically saying that he was responsible for
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: his own death only to find out that he died
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: the death of a hero.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: A lot of people, and that's people that are prominent
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: media members today, They really, they ought to own.
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: That one, man. And have never said they did anything wrong.
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: Got to own that, man, because that was horrible, man.
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: That dude brandished a machete against people with a gun
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: to protect his family, bro.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: And they're trying to say, oh, he had had all
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: these troubles, off-field troubles before and all this other stuff,
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: and it just didn't.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: That wasn't right what they did to him.
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: For getting his house broke into.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: And protecting himself. Again, people should apologize. But again, apologies
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: can only do so much.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: And that's the thing.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: Jewel got all that money. What'd he change? I went
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: to high school with somebody whose father died in some
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: accident that came with some giant settlement.
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: And the money was just flying. You just burn all
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: that money.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: Because what was he going to do? Right.
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: You understand what I mean?
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: Like, what was he going to do? And so, yeah,
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: something like that with Jewel, guy knows how much money,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: you know, however much money he got from all these people,
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: none of that was going to happen.
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: There was no fixing.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: Can you imagine if people camped out in your yard
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: for all of that time?
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: I can't.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: I mean, just the 180 that went here is like, yeah,
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: I'm rightfully considered to be a hero. I helped people
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: in a moment of crisis. I'm so glad that people
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: are recognizing this. And then all of a sudden... for
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: it to flip on you like that, it must have
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: been totally destabilizing. I can't even imagine what his therapy
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: bills would have been like under those circumstances.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: Right. And look, I imagine, and probably, how could you
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: not love the attention of I'm a hero? Yeah.
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: I mean, dog, this is one of the biggest, I mean,
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: one of the biggest incidents of domestic terrorism in this country.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: One of the more notable ones. You're in the middle
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: of it, you escort people to safety, And then people
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: identify you as the perpetrator. So, yeah, I'm sure that
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: he was like, what the fuck are y'all talking about, bro?
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: Like, what are you going to do?
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: I'd have took my ass over there to Spring Street,
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: right across the street from the Greyhound station. Oh, man.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: They would have taken care of him over there. They
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: would have gave me a section. DJ would have shouted
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: out my name. I wouldn't have paid for nothing that night.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, man.
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: At least I know he could afford the parking and
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: the entry fee over there, bro.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: I bet the clubs was cracking during the Olympics.
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: Oh, man.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: You think?
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: I got a homeboy that said during the Olympics that
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: his daddy and his white homie went to Magic City
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: and left him in the back seat because it was
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: the 90s and you could do things like that with
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: your teenage kids. And on the way, he said that
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: the white homie looked back and said, Magic City is
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: the only place to see the true Nubian princesses. What? Yeah,
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: that happened. That happens. True story.
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: I mean, look, the one thing about it, Magic City,
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: I mean, where would you rather be that night? Olympic Village?
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: Would you rather be in the Olympic Village or would
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: you rather be in Magic City?
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: Well, that depends.
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: Am I an athlete?
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah.
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: If I'm an athlete, I want to be in the
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: Olympic Village.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: You want to be in the Olympic Village, yeah. We know.
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: We know what's going down.
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: I mean, they don't even pretend that that's not what's
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: going on. They're like, oh yeah, that's why I want
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: to go down there. That's going to be exciting.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: No, why not? Like, if there's anybody and you can
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: tell them, hey man, it's going to be a bunch
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: of girls from the Olympics there, then that's where you're
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: going to be.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, look, man, how can I get in?
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: Hold up, hold up. And that's before the internet. That's
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: before all this stuff. You ain't got to worry about
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: maintaining no communication.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: Oh, man.
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: See, you know what? You know what I'm saying? I
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: don't even, we don't even speak the same language. I
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: don't even know how I'm going to get in touch.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: With you again. Right, right, right, right, right. That's how
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: you know it's just we just making it happen. I
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: don't know what you're talking about. You don't know what
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about, but you know what I'm talking about.
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: Hey, man, look, body language is a universal language.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, there it goes. All right, got two more.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: Trying to decide which one to go first.
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: Because I think in the chronology I know which goes where,
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: but now I'm just flipping it up.
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going to go with... All right, I'm going
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: to go... I know which one I'm going to go first.
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: Carl Lewis.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah. How did you feel about Carl Lewis? Because I
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: feel like Carl Lewis is not very popular in my
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: house and can't tell if that was homophobia. By the way,
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: I don't know if Carl Lewis is gay, just to
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: be clear. I'm just telling you this. If you ever
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: watched that music video he made If you were homophobic,
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: whether he was gay or not, you was not going
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: to like him. Break it up. Break it up. You
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: seen that joint?
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: Man, he did have a little singer career. I think
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: he like performed over in.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: Asia and everything too. The worst.
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: The worst.
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: I mean, anybody who's heard the National Anthem.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: What did Charlie sign it?
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: Francis Scott Offkey?
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes. Well, in the middle, he was like, I
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: got it, I got it.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: Hold now.
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: He said, hold now, I'm going to do it.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: I'm going to do it now. Oh, my God.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: Uh-oh.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: Bricklayer!
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: Bricklayer!
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: It was so bad. But he won the gold medal
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: in the long jump. Yeah. The fourth straight gold medal
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: in the long jump, right? And you got to remember,
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: he won the four gold medals in 84. Yeah. they
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: gave him that gold medal after they took it from
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: Ben Johnson. And if you saw the 30 for 30
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: about Ben Johnson, Carl Lewis may have put steroids in
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: Ben Johnson's drink right before he went to take the
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: drug test.
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: I mean, look, the thing is, if you make it
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: to the end of that 30 for 30, Ben Johnson
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: was competing fairly.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: That's number one, right?
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: Ben Johnson was competing fairly.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: We were all on the same plane.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: And number two, Carl Lewis, in one of the most,
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, this is what Ben Johnson alleges, is that
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: he's there drinking a brew. He's just run a 979,
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: which at that time, he might as well have literally
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: been flying.
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: And then he says Carl Lewis comes in and they
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: talk and he believes that Carl Lewis put a pill
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: in the brew that he was drinking. And then he
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: went and took the drug test.
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: And that sounds crazy.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: Until in the same 30 for 30, they asked Carl
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: Lewis about it. And he did not deny it at all.
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: Carl Lewis, like it was actually interesting. And that's one
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: thing that I liked about track early on is that.
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: Those dudes hate each other. If they don't like each other,
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: they're not going to pretend.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: If they got beef, they're going to live it out.
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: And that was one of the earliest examples of like,
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: Carl Lewis don't fuck with Ben Johnson. Ben Johnson don't
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: fuck with Carl Lewis. And again, there's I'm sure a
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: lot of reasons why people didn't fuck with Carl Lewis
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: at the time.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: But also, only one person can win gold.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but he went from four gold medals in 84
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: to three gold medals in 88 to two gold medals
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: in 92. And remember, in 92, they put him on
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: the relay team, even though, as John Drummond famously said,
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: he finished butt-naked last in the trials.
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: Butt-naked, he was seventh. I think he finished seventh in
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: the 100th inning.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: He was last.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: He was last.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: They can last in the trials. But they put him
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: on the relay team, and he ran a crazy anchor leg, right?
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: It was like he was still Carl Lewis, and he
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: won the long jump again at those Olympics.
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: And now by 96, it's.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: His fourth Olympics. He's barely out there in the long jump.
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: Look, man, Carl Lewis, so you asked me what I
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: thought about him. I was a Carl Lewis fan because
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: Carl Lewis, University of Houston, one of the Houston greats.
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: Santa Monica Track Club, which was Tom Tellez's professional track
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: club that was based out of Houston, even though it's
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: called the Santa Monica Track Club.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: Oh, I didn't realize that that club was based out
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: of Houston.
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: Santa Monica.
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: And they ran at track meets. Even when I was
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: running in that track circuit, you would see them at
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: meets or whatever. I don't think they ran at the
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: Texas Relays the year I ran there, too. And I
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: think the one thing about Carl Lewis is just sort
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: of unfortunate that he didn't, in time, sort of lost
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: the public's goodwill because he's got to be the greatest.
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: track athlete that America has ever produced. If you get
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: older and you think about winning the 100, the 200,
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: and the long jump, bruh, that is a crazy schedule.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: I don't think I appreciated that part enough when people
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: would talk about it. It's him and Jesse Owens, obviously,
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: I think are the two guys that we talk about
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: in that. But I did not I think to me,
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: it was fairly obvious that if you could run that fast,
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: you could also jump real far. I did not think
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: of those as being like distinct skills. I'm thinking of
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: this like it's elementary school.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: And the one kid is the best at all the stuff.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: I'm not thinking about it that way. And so he
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: got those four and then he got the three and
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: then he got the two. And what I'll always remember
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: about the 96 Olympics when he got it, and Rick
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: Riley wrote in Sports Illustrated his column about it, which
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: I remember being just an excellent. And he was like,
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: you try to give him a gold watch and he
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: takes your gold medal instead. Right? He really only hit
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: it on that one jump.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: That was it.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But that's all you got to do is hit
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: it on that one jump. It's not a cumulative event.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: You just got to hit it once.
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: Well, that's why they put, I mean, that's what the
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: argument was for him running anchor in 92. He's a
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: primetime athlete, bro. When the lights are shining the brightest,
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: Carl Lewis was going to show up. Right?
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: And so that's what he did.
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: And yeah, I mean, I look, man, Again, I read
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: Carl Lewis's autobiography as a kid and he addresses all
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: the stuff and he's, you know, I mean, he says
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: if somebody, he said a former girlfriend accused him of
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: being gay. And he said, I've been with her enough
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: times for her to know that that was BS. Okay.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: Okay. So like his shit was like, you ever seen
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: a Johnny Gill unsung? Oh, man. Have you seen it?
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: I have, yeah.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: For those who haven't seen it, I ain't casting no
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: aspersions on Johnny Gill, but clearly somebody has because it
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: was like, 45, 50 minutes about the music, and then
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: a whole section of guys. I was like, Barry Bonds
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: inexplicably in this unsung, just there. But then at the end,
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: it's just Cats being like, man, every time I saw Johnny,
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: it was girls around. Everybody talking about, Johnny had them all, dog.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, look, man.
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: The thing we got to consider is that, especially at
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: the time that they came up in, no benefit to
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: there's no benefit, like even if you were to say
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: or think that they were gay, what would be the
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: benefit of saying that at the time they came up?
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, no.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: There's absolutely none, right? But they was like, I think
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: for both of them, it's like, hey man, I'm not
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: saying you are, I'm not saying you're not, but I
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: am saying that what you say is not going to
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: be the defining factor in people's minds. But this had
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: a lot to do with the weight. I mean, I
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: think it was at the 84 Olympics when Daley Thompson,
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: former world record holder in decathlon, walking around with a
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: shirt that says, is something like the best athlete in
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: the world gay or the world's fastest man gay. Like, yo,
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: you're going to pull up on me with a shirt
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: that says that?
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: It's crazy, man. It was crazy. It's crazy.
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: And I think, unfortunately, that's why people don't remember Carlos
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: in quite the way because they did enough They did
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: enough to diminish him publicly in a way that people,
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: like you said, people are like, I don't really bang
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: with Carl Lewis like that. But bottom line, that dude
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: is probably the greatest American track.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: Athlete we've ever had. To be fair to him, right,
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: to the people rather on that, I think part of
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: what happens is I don't know exactly how people view
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: the 84 Olympics, but they're like half an Olympics, right?
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: There's a significant... I don't think the Soviet Union was
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: going to come out there and win the gold medal
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: in that one, but it's.
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: A lot going on.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: But either way, the fact that we didn't see him
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: win the gold in 88.
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: If we had seen him win a gold in 88,
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: I think we then view that one a little bit differently, right?
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: And then it's like, oh, we got two gold medals
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: in the 100.
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: Well, it's just like, it's the reason that Vince Young
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: didn't accept the Heisman from Reggie Bush, man.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: Like, we saw Reggie Bush win that Heisman, man.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: Well, hold on.
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: He said he would.
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: Oh, is that... Is that right?
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah, Vince was like, I mean, shit, I'll take it. Yeah.
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: I feel like Reggie was saying something like, yeah, he
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: had the opportunity and didn't or whatever, but... The thing is,
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: even if Vincent won, bro, we saw Reggie Bush that year, bro.
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, not even that we saw him that year.
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: We saw him with the trophy in his hands.
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: We saw him with the trophy in his hands.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: He was the husband of one. And they wasn't even
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: saying he was taking steroids.
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: They were saying he got some cheese.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: That ain't really have nothing to do with what we
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: was talking about. But you're right. It wasn't. We were
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: never going to. It's kind of like when, like, I
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: think Louisville had to vacate that 2013 National Championship. Duck.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, okay, but that's the national champion. I ain't
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: never thought about it. I ain't never been like, yo,
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: Michigan was the real champions. Yeah, they won, as far
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: as I'm concerned, when you go over there. Yeah, I
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: saw it.
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: We saw it. We watched it. You can't take that
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: away from people. And that's Ben Johnson.
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: Although, again, Ben Johnson, at the time, that was a
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: tremendous scandal, and he was reviled in a way.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: His reputation never really recovered. No. And the problem is
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: that he.
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: Was just so good. The fact, he was good on drugs.
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: Everybody else couldn't beat, they were on drugs too, but
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: they couldn't beat him.
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's like Barry Bonds.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: He ran a 9-7-9. Yeah. I think it took like,
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: it went to a Maurice Green, ran a 9-7-9 like 10,
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: at least 10 years later.
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: Like, what was this?
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: But you're right. He never recovered. But that is a defining, like,
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: Olympic magic moment, though. Carl Malone, I mean, Carl Lewis
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: hitting that board. Yeah.
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: One time.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: The last one, as I recall. Mm-hmm.
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: That's all he needed.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: And got him.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: All right. Now, the last name. I don't even need to.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: I think you can probably figure out who the only
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: guy left off.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: Oh, man. One of my favorite athletes of all time, man.
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: Go ahead and tell them.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: Michael Johnson, man.
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: Amen.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: It'd take a lot for us to say something nice,
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: so nice about Dallas. But Michael Johnson, who went to
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: high school with Larry Johnson.
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: I mean, Skyline, man.
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: Skyline was killing it.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: Skyline was crazy, yeah.
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: Skyline was killing it. The thing with Michael.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: Johnson, because Michael Johnson was the 200 runner. And at 92,
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: he did not win. Like, I think in the semifinal heat.
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: He was eliminated.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: And it was a thing because we heard all about
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: Michael Johnson coming up. So now we're coming up to
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: the 96 Olympics and he has gotten permission. They've changed
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: the schedule so that he could run the 200 and
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: the 400. And I didn't even know that was possible.
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: Like in my mind, it was like, it's a 100, 200.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: I had never thought about like 200, 400. And so
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: he won the 400. They won the 400 relay. It's
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: all about that 1932 that he ran in the 200.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: in the gold shoes.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: Man, look, bro.
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: So the record in the 200 had stood for like 20,
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: almost a quarter century, man.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: A guy named Pietro.
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: Minea from Italy won. And later they found out that
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: he too had been on some sort of PD.
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: Oh, I didn't know that.
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: And people didn't really respect it. It's like when old
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: boy Lamont from Italy, was that his name? When he
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: won and everybody was like, yeah, you won.
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: But come on, bro. You know what I'm saying?
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: I think Pietro Minea's record was like that, but the
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: record was the record.
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: And people had come sort.
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: Of close, but it was one of those records that's like, man,
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: is anybody ever going to do it? And so it's
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: not just that Michael Johnson broke it. And actually, Michael
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: Johnson had broken the record at the Olympic trials earlier
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: that summer, but he shaved like, you know, he.
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: Went like 19.66.
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: For him to have run 19.32, bro, like, that's still
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: like a top five time in the 200 all time.
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: Like, it is.
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: insane that he ran that and as you watched him
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: in real time you were like oh shit like he's
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: coming off the curve those gold spikes shining in the
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: light in the night it was like yo like this
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: dude is literally flying it's one of the best track
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: performances of all time like.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: Bruh the shot of him finishing yeah turning around yep
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: like he saw the time yeah the same time, basically,
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: that we saw the time. It was so crazy, he
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: couldn't believe it.
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: He couldn't believe it, man.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: He'd never run that, you know, he could run that
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: fast in his life.
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: Well, you know what was frustrating about Michael Johnson? So many, like,
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: so first of all, he dealt with a lot of
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: injuries in his career. So that's what held him back
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: a lot. So when he was healthy, it was always
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: like World Championship years and not Olympic years. But he
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: would either be so far ahead, he would not run
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: through the line, or he was hurt. And this was
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: the one time he was healthy, and he ran full
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: speed the whole damn way. And so it was like,
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: we didn't even know that this was possible. We didn't
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: know that this was possible. We knew that you could
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: break the world record. If anybody was going to break it,
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: it was going to be him. But for him to
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: have done that, I mean, I don't think there's a
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: sprint record that has ever been cut down by as
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: much as what he did there.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: No.
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 52:30
  Speaker 4: The closest.
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, obviously the gold standard is when Bob Beeman
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: basically jumped out of the pit.
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: That's still like the third best long jump or something insane.
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: It's crazy. Crazy.
• 52:42
  Speaker 4: Like that.
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: Is it Mike Conley's dad?
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: No, Mike Powell.
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: Mike Powell. That's right. Okay.
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: Mike Conley's dad was a triple jumper.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's right. That's right.
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: That's right. But even that Mike Powell record, that Mike
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: Powell record has stood for 36 years.
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: It was crazy. It was insane.
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: Like 35, I think it was 91 when he broke it.
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: But like it has stood for that long. But yeah, Johnson,
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: that night he was so far ahead of everybody else.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: Like Bolt, it was crazy watching Bolt because Bolt was
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: also just so much bigger than everybody else. Like it
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: just seemed like he didn't belong in any of the
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: places that he was.
• 53:12
  Speaker 4: But that no moment, especially since it was at the crib.
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: Right? No moment. is going to hit me in track
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: quite like it was watching him in that 100 and
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: then seeing the time come up on the screen.
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: Everybody was waiting for him.
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: Like, the thing is, you don't pull out those gold
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: spikes unless you think some special shit is going to happen.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no. Him and Nike were like, hey, man.
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: Time is now, brother.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: You got to do it right now, man.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: You got to get this money. You know what I'm saying?
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: You could have messed up and been like Dan and
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: Dave in 92. Shit don't even happen at all.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: Dan and Dave, man.
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: Oh, man.
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: What a bummer. But yeah, I mean, again, he had
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: his moment.
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: He seized it. And as a result, I mean, again,
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: he's my favorite athlete. And the thing about that race
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: that is crazy- that Frankie Fredericks, and for people that
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: watch track today, Ado Bolden, he finished third.
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: He was the bronze medalist.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: I told.
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: I told Bolden. There you go.
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: Sorry.
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: They ran 1908. Frankie ran 1968, which would have broke
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: the old world record. And you would never know that
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: because he was so far behind Michael Johnson.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: No, it's kind of like them cats that was out
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: there with Bolt. When Tyson Gay ran that 980 and
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: got fourth.
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, man.
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: But I forget, I think it was Johan Blake, whichever
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: one of them cats won silver, he was celebrating like
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: he just won, like he won it all.
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man.
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: Because they all knew it was playing for second.
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: You can't be, I mean, Usain Bolt is like the best,
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: I mean, track athlete ever.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: Like he's got a claim for the greatest of all these.
• 54:44
  Speaker 4: All the things.
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's nothing like that.
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: But I do wish, though, that I could have seen
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: Pete Michael Johnson against Pete Usain Bolt in the 200,
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: because I think that would have been an interesting race.
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: But, yeah.
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: Frankie Frederick, he is kind of like the Merlene Otte. Like,
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: who else is in that list of people that just
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: kept coming in second? That man got four silver medals.
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man.
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look, Tyson Gaye, is one of our
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: great American sprint champions, man. He was really, really good,
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: but unfortunately, he came along at the same time as
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: Usain Bolt.
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right, right. Everybody got knocked down a metal.
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right.
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: Right? Everybody got bumped down.
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man.
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah. He's like, can't we come up with a copper
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: metal for me?
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, man.
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: It's just kind of like, it didn't, It's just like, yeah,
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: it's like we not doing the same thing here. So
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: I should get some sort of like gold B medal
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: or something.
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like we have to acknowledge the circumstances are not
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: the same here. Yeah, man.
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: It's like, nah, dog, that ain't the same thing. Well,
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to think. Or like when Miami won the
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: national championship in 2001. It was just like, yo, bro,
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: like y'all good too, but this is something that we're
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: talking about. We talking about something different. Like Nebraska was
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: not a bad football team. They weren't good. Yeah, they
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: weren't great, but they weren't as bad as Miami made
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: them look. But forever, they will be the people that
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: are chasing Andre Johnson.
• 56:09
  Speaker 4: Down on the ground.
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: Or like 95 Florida.
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: Oh, bro. Oh, man.
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, look. That's the one. Those boys went all
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: the way undefeated through the SEC, all of that.
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: Spank them boys, man. Spank them boys.
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, man.
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: Stuffed gold. But now, you know what? The 96 Olympics.
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: A little more cracker than you remembered, huh? Oh, man.
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: Look, this is, I mean, this is what, that is
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: the Olympics more than any that I, well, I kind
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: of wish I was at the Paris Games, too. I mean,
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: to be honest.
• 56:33
  Speaker 4: Paris Games looked like they was.
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: That kind of looked fly. You know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 4: That looked like they was it.
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  Speaker 2: That was kind of fly.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, that's one of the ones I'm like, if
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  Speaker 3: there's a sporting event from the past that I wish
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  Speaker 3: I could have been a part of, that's probably one
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  Speaker 3: in my top three right there.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: Hey, man, that is Joel Anderson.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, man. Anytime. Maybe Thursday, even.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, we doing this later.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay.
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  Speaker 4: At a different time.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, a different time? Okay.
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