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Giants vs Rams - MNF Showdown Shippers | NFL Week 2 | DFS Picks, Plays & Process · Daily Fantasy Sports by Ship It Nation

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  Speaker 1: All systems go.
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  Speaker 2: Clear for liftoff. What's up, everyone? Tyler Tamblyn here, a.k.a.
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  Speaker 2: Toe Tagging Tambo, back for another episode of Showdown Shippers,
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  Speaker 2: Monday Night Football Edition, here on the Shipping Nation YouTube station.
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  Speaker 2: Got hoop, got title, coming off a pretty big week
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  Speaker 2: over at the Nation. We'll get to that and more,
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  Speaker 2: but we're going to be talking all things for the DraftKings.
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  Speaker 2: and fanduel showdown slate tonight we've got the giants at
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  Speaker 2: the rams and hoop bring you in first man it's
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  Speaker 2: uh the rams i just look at the calendar we
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  Speaker 2: had them like we had the rams a couple weeks
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  Speaker 2: ago we had the giants last week we got the
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  Speaker 2: rams coming up again next week on sunday night football
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  Speaker 2: it's like they just put these guys on the the
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  Speaker 2: island games all season long so far.
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  Speaker 1: It's the same teams over and over it's kind of
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  Speaker 1: funny i mean you get the chiefs and rams and
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  Speaker 1: you know i'm sure we're going to see some of
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  Speaker 1: the the you know the other top teams the bills
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  Speaker 1: i'm sure the lions have a bunch as well just
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  Speaker 1: these exciting teams which is smart obviously good good for
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  Speaker 1: business i mean you're not going to put the browns
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  Speaker 1: and titans on these games like no one wants to
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  Speaker 1: watch that shit so they do a good job with
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  Speaker 1: that um but yeah it seems like the rams played
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  Speaker 1: like a month ago we were joking about it yesterday
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  Speaker 1: like they had that wednesday game in australia and then
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  Speaker 1: we haven't seen them since and there's been you know
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  Speaker 1: two full weeks of of nfl and uh, in between, but, uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, big news, obviously with, with Puka sounds like
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  Speaker 1: he's out. They said there's some chance that he warms
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  Speaker 1: up and can play, but it definitely seems like he's
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  Speaker 1: going to be outside. It's pretty big for the slate, but, uh, man,
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  Speaker 1: NFL is fun, man. And yesterday was a lot of fun,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of takeaways. I mean, I know we'll, we'll
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  Speaker 1: kind of get, probably get to some of the stuff
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  Speaker 1: as the, as we go along, but like, man, like the,
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  Speaker 1: the chargers just getting, I mean, never really in the
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  Speaker 1: game against the Raiders is, kind of insane in the
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  Speaker 1: second half i mean the raiders dominated them and um
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  Speaker 1: tampa bay losing to the browns it's like you don't
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  Speaker 1: know shit in the nfl if you think you know
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  Speaker 1: something you don't know anything like that's that's probably the
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  Speaker 1: biggest takeaway and uh eagles having to beat the titans
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  Speaker 1: at the end like the titans looked like the worst
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  Speaker 1: team in football for the last few years and week
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  Speaker 1: one they're horrible but it makes it fun i mean
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  Speaker 1: that's why like uh sports like uh Major League Baseball
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  Speaker 1: struggling and probably going to a lockout situation because there's
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  Speaker 1: no parity. Like the best thing you can have is parity. Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: there's some better than others, but NFL does it right
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  Speaker 1: with the salary cap and you can turn things around quickly.
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  Speaker 1: And it's great for the sport and just just makes
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  Speaker 1: it great for entertainment, gambling, whatever it is.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah title i'll kick it over to you man uh
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  Speaker 2: any any thoughts coming today i know it was a
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  Speaker 2: close call for you yesterday over on the five dollar
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  Speaker 2: on fan duel uh our man hebrew cheetah had a
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  Speaker 2: big day yesterday got second in the twenty dollar millimaker
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  Speaker 2: so congrats to rio we had a lot of different
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  Speaker 2: community members posting in the ship a channel the nfl
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  Speaker 2: channel a lot of big wins five figure plus that
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  Speaker 2: we saw some showdown stuff some baseball stuff mma stuff
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  Speaker 2: over the weekend so a lot of stuff going on
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  Speaker 2: man but how you doing on this monday.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd be lying if I said great. Definitely could
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  Speaker 3: be doing better. I'm human. But shout out to Rio.
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  Speaker 3: Big props to him. Yeah, I mean, I don't tilt much.
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  Speaker 3: I'm definitely over. My day was the same today as
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  Speaker 3: it would have been. But there's no lying. $ 490, 000 is
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  Speaker 3: a lot of cheese. So we move on. Onwards and upwards.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you bet, man. Hopefully tonight, hey, 500K up top tonight.
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  Speaker 2: You can change it in a heartbeat. If we don't
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  Speaker 2: have these 60-person trains winning every showdown slate, we might
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  Speaker 2: eventually get to one. I had a decent lineup last
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  Speaker 2: night in it with Thornton. If he had got that
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  Speaker 2: touchdown all the way there and not dropped at the one,
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  Speaker 2: but at least it was like a three-way chop. The
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  Speaker 2: excitement was more of if you get the three-way chop
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  Speaker 2: on a 250K up top. Tonight's 500K, so.
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  Speaker 2: Should be a good one. Hoop, I'll go to you first.
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  Speaker 2: Just get your thoughts, grand scheme overview as usual on
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  Speaker 2: this game. Like I say, Giants at the Rams. The
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  Speaker 2: one thing you mentioned, so the news did come out
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  Speaker 2: 17 minutes ago, says, you know, from Schefter, certainly sounds
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  Speaker 2: like Puka's trending towards not playing. They're not giving up
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  Speaker 2: hope that he can go in pregame warmups, feel good
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  Speaker 2: and decides to play, but it doesn't sound promising right now.
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  Speaker 2: They're always trying to do some crazy shit, man, and
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  Speaker 2: just say it like that. Then, you know, get to
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  Speaker 2: later on tonight. So I wouldn't be out there building
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  Speaker 2: your lineups too early. I would be ready for the chaos, though, right?
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  Speaker 2: Be prepared. It's different than planned. You know where you say,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to play tonight. Everyone's going to play tonight.
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  Speaker 2: Be prepared for if he goes and think about that
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  Speaker 2: and what that means. Don't just run all your builds
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  Speaker 2: out now and say, I know he's not playing, so
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  Speaker 2: I'm good. You just don't know until you know. So, Hoop,
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  Speaker 2: I'll kick it over to you. What's your thoughts on
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  Speaker 2: this game and how you see it playing out as
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  Speaker 2: the information we have right now?
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  Speaker 1: That's a good caveat there, just because, you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: tough doing content because we're not going to know for
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  Speaker 1: sure until an hour and a half. It sounds like
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  Speaker 1: before maybe two hours, sometimes they get out there before
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  Speaker 1: more often we get the news, but we have to
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  Speaker 1: do the show based on the assumption that the guy's out. Like,
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  Speaker 1: there's no way to do this show. under the assumption that,
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  Speaker 1: that he's going to be in, like the show will
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  Speaker 1: go along and the assumption will be that Puka is
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  Speaker 1: going to be out. But, you know, we've seen this
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  Speaker 1: before in the showdown slates and usually it's the other
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  Speaker 1: way where guys get ruled out, opposed to guys that
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  Speaker 1: we think are out, end up playing. So we'll see.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, at this point, it's probably more likely that
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  Speaker 1: he's out, but there's always the chance that there's kind
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  Speaker 1: of just bullshitting here and he ends up playing. And
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  Speaker 1: I mean, there's no serious injury concerns or anything. It
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  Speaker 1: doesn't sound like so. he's a gamer. He's probably going
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  Speaker 1: to want to get out there. But, you know, based
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  Speaker 1: on everything and the information that we have right now,
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  Speaker 1: we have to build line, not build line. Like you said,
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  Speaker 1: you probably want to wait today, but we have to
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  Speaker 1: analyze the slate as if he's out and that'll be
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  Speaker 1: the case for the show. Overall, overall thoughts on the slate,
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  Speaker 1: really soft pricing, especially with Puka out. I mean, only
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  Speaker 1: one player, 10,000 or above. And then with the Puka news,
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  Speaker 1: we have a ton, a ton of value like that
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  Speaker 1: we'll talk about. So it's going to make roster construction
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  Speaker 1: very easy. One of those slates, you're going to build
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  Speaker 1: your team or you're going to absolutely love it. You're
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  Speaker 1: going to wonder how it can possibly lose. And that's
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  Speaker 1: the mindset that everyone's going to have. So you do
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  Speaker 1: want to, in my eyes, do things that look a
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  Speaker 1: little nasty and ugly today when you're building your team,
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  Speaker 1: just because it's going to be so easy to play
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  Speaker 1: whoever the hell you want. I mean, it's basically going
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  Speaker 1: to be four or five studs in your lineup, then
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  Speaker 1: one cheap guy. It's all it's going to take to
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  Speaker 1: make everything work on the slate. So we'll talk through it.
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  Speaker 1: and see what we can find. But especially on DK,
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  Speaker 1: I haven't really dug deep into FanDuel. Pricing is just
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  Speaker 1: atrocious with the most expensive guy being Stafford at 10K.
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  Speaker 1: So that's definitely the one thing that definitely stands out
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  Speaker 1: to me, but we can find edges and opportunities based
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  Speaker 1: on knowing that going into the slate.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah. I hope Puka's out. I know like other
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  Speaker 2: people would be like, Oh, like I'm fine with the
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  Speaker 2: chaos either way. I'll be ready if he is ruled in.
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  Speaker 2: But like Hoop said, we got to analyze it with
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  Speaker 2: he's out. I hope he's out though, because people just
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  Speaker 2: love spending all their money in showdown. I think salaries
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  Speaker 2: are relevant tonight. So when I say I love slates,
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  Speaker 2: these are the types of slates I love. I also,
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  Speaker 2: there's just a bunch going on. So I can't wait
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  Speaker 2: to get to it. Just to answer Justin from last night,
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  Speaker 2: not much to explain. It was like the rotation at
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  Speaker 2: the top was like 4k, 7k, 13k. And it just
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  Speaker 2: kept cycling between those three when the first prize is almost, uh,
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  Speaker 2: what was it? Quarter million last night. Like those are
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  Speaker 2: all pretty big chops. Like it was like 40 to
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  Speaker 2: 70 ways that people were chopping it. So it's like, just,
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  Speaker 2: you know, is what it is. If you have a portfolio,
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  Speaker 2: I have no problem. It'd be like dedicate a portion
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  Speaker 2: of it. Or if you have one of those lineups
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  Speaker 2: in there, it's It happens. I'm just saying it's like
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  Speaker 2: most are playing to avoid that as much as possible.
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  Speaker 2: But if you have 150, putting 10 to 15 towards
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  Speaker 2: that is fine. I think it's the complete opposite of
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  Speaker 2: what Sean is saying here. Like everybody wants.
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  Speaker 1: I mean.
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  Speaker 2: Actually he says down here, I'd be surprised. The field
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  Speaker 2: loves playing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, good news is we have ownership projections. So if
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  Speaker 2: you just go check those, they'll tell you exactly what
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  Speaker 2: you need to know. Like Colby Parkinson, Terrence Ferguson, everybody
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  Speaker 2: is just getting the ownership versus people trying to figure
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  Speaker 2: out whether it's going to be mump field, X Smith, two,
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  Speaker 2: two at well guys like that. So you already know.
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  Speaker 2: And then title, I'll kick it over to you. Cause
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  Speaker 2: we're going to get to captains in a second. I'll
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  Speaker 2: let you do your overview, but it also like, again, okay.
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  Speaker 2: If it's dart up top or Stafford up top, it
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  Speaker 2: feels like the quarterbacks are more popular than ever tonight.
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  Speaker 2: But also it's like, you can round out the money
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  Speaker 2: very quickly with dart Stafford Williams, and then one of
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  Speaker 2: Adam scat or neighbors, right? It kind of like just
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  Speaker 2: fills your line about, and then there's, there is a
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  Speaker 2: cheap guy that makes it all fit. Whoever your cheap
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  Speaker 2: guy is. That's the good news that you kind of
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  Speaker 2: know it's Ferguson and Parkinson and guys like that. But
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  Speaker 2: what's your, your take on this slate?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I, I guess I don't like it nearly as
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  Speaker 3: much as you guys because I just think with how
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  Speaker 3: loose the salary is, I can't really make a case
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  Speaker 3: to play anyone outside of Stafford, Kyron, Dart, Adams, Neighbors
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  Speaker 3: at captain. Sure, if you want Likely or these other guys,
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  Speaker 3: but you're going to most likely need the highest raw
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  Speaker 3: points player on the slate at captain with all the
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  Speaker 3: infinite value we have. And yeah, I mean, the field
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  Speaker 3: should know that. And then once you play them, you
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  Speaker 3: have a lot of money to spend in the flex.
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  Speaker 3: So unless we're getting... likely outscoring neighbors in a vacuum
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  Speaker 3: or like who else can I even look at Blake
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  Speaker 3: Corham dominating and maybe outscoring Kyron or the kickers outscoring
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  Speaker 3: likely and stuff like that's what I think we're going
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  Speaker 3: to need to do if you want to be up
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  Speaker 3: top without too many people maybe I'm wrong um I'm
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  Speaker 3: always open to listening but yeah for me it's it's
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  Speaker 3: going to be really concentrated not only is Puka probably
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  Speaker 3: not going to play but Jordan Whittington as well which
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  Speaker 3: people aren't talking about but he played 41 percent of
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  Speaker 3: snaps last week so you're going to know who's On
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  Speaker 3: the field for a lot of tight ends for the Rams.
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  Speaker 3: And then, yeah, Xavier Smith and Mumfield will be in
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  Speaker 3: there a little bit. At least we do have the Corum,
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  Speaker 3: Kyron stuff, like two running backs to play a little
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  Speaker 3: bit on the Rams and stuff. But, yeah, it's really
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  Speaker 3: going to be chalky for me at captains.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the former part of what you stated
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  Speaker 2: is definitely fair. Like you said, the captain's going to
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  Speaker 2: be condensed, and because of the values, you're going to
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  Speaker 2: need the one that scores the most. I mean, honestly,
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  Speaker 2: if Puka was here, yeah, it adds one more captain.
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  Speaker 2: But even when he's not, it's still like you were–
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  Speaker 2: I don't think we were venturing too far out of
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  Speaker 2: like Dart, Scat, Neighbors, maybe likely. And then the other side, Stafford, Williams, Adams, Puka,
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  Speaker 2: probably wouldn't.
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  Speaker 3: Even be thinking– But Puka in there just changes so
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  Speaker 3: much because of his– like you can't jam everyone up top.
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  Speaker 3: And like the Devontae Adams own– I feel like the
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  Speaker 3: Puka injury, I don't know. I feel like it's night
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  Speaker 3: and day for how the slate is.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I like it better. That's what I'm saying. To
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  Speaker 2: each their own. That's why I love Showdown. But to me,
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  Speaker 2: it's like way better. Because even if, okay, now we
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  Speaker 2: know which captains to play. You just stay to them all.
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  Speaker 2: It's good. And then on top of it, it's like, again,
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  Speaker 2: most people are... When you put... Um, let's use scat
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  Speaker 2: as an example. First of all, barely anyone's even playing
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  Speaker 2: them up top and he's like a perfect leverage for
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  Speaker 2: both ways this game could go. But also it's like
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  Speaker 2: when you put them, it just auto fills itself out.
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  Speaker 2: So my point is I, I'm not going to win
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  Speaker 2: on the slate. It's getting chopped heavy anyway, but most
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  Speaker 2: people are going to spend all their money. So that's great.
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  Speaker 2: I'm definitely going to be willing to say, uh, Mooney
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  Speaker 2: over neighbors, boom, leave all the money. Is it likely?
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  Speaker 2: not Isaiah likely, but is that likely? Probably not. But
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  Speaker 2: when it is, I've got 500 grand up top that
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  Speaker 2: hopefully it's me and very few people chopping it with.
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  Speaker 2: So I like it from that perspective. I think a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people don't like it. Like Nades and I
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  Speaker 2: just talked about on the Takedown Breakdown is like when...
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  Speaker 2: that happens. Like, like people just say, like, I'm losing
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  Speaker 2: all my money. I'm losing all my money. It's like,
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  Speaker 2: I I'm planning to lose a lot of money playing
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  Speaker 2: this way because it only takes one shot to get
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  Speaker 2: it right. And yes, you only have one season to
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  Speaker 2: do it within, but that's what makes me excited about
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  Speaker 2: this slate. I mean, it might still be fine. Even
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  Speaker 2: if Puka's in there, because I just think this slate,
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  Speaker 2: it's all how people are playing it. So who, anything,
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  Speaker 2: anything else you want to add with that stuff? If not,
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  Speaker 2: you can get into your captain thoughts, but I think
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  Speaker 2: title nailed it with the fact that you're going to
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  Speaker 2: need the top scorer in the sense of not the
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  Speaker 2: obvious way, but because of all the values, it's just
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  Speaker 2: going to push those builds up.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's honestly the main point, and I'm glad
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  Speaker 1: title kind of brought that up because it's the truth.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, soft pricing and you've got the big injury,
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  Speaker 1: you're going to need the guy more. I guess there's
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  Speaker 1: a random scenario where all these guys, again, I always
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  Speaker 1: talk about it like this, but it's like you need
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  Speaker 1: all the studs to do well, but not go off.
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  Speaker 1: And then you just need a cheap captain, which I
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  Speaker 1: would say is probably like less than 5% where that
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  Speaker 1: would play out on the slate where, uh, Stafford neighbors, Kyron, Cam,
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  Speaker 1: Scataboo are all between like 20 or like, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: 18 to 25. And then you need a cheaper captain
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  Speaker 1: to fit all those guys in. So I'm under the assumption,
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  Speaker 1: you're just going to need the highest scoring guy on
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  Speaker 1: the slate and captain. So it just really eliminates a
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  Speaker 1: lot of guys for me on the slate. Um, the
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  Speaker 1: quarterbacks that I think are both in play definitely prefer
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  Speaker 1: dart over Stafford. You know, Stafford, I usually don't like
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  Speaker 1: having him in captain on showdown slates because it's usually
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  Speaker 1: either Puka or Devante that just go off. And then
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  Speaker 1: you need one of those guys in captain over Stafford. Well,
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  Speaker 1: Puka is gone and there is a higher likelihood that
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  Speaker 1: Stafford is able to spread it out. Assuming Puka is out.
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  Speaker 1: There's just a lot of different guys that could get
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  Speaker 1: on the field. You could throw, four touchdowns to four
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  Speaker 1: different guys today. And that wouldn't surprise me. So definitely
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  Speaker 1: have to keep him in that conversation up top, like
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  Speaker 1: 300 yards, four touchdowns. I think is definitely in, in
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  Speaker 1: the realm of possibilities to four different wide receivers tonight. So, uh,
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  Speaker 1: he's definitely a guy I want to consider up top,
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  Speaker 1: but I do prefer dark just for the, the running, uh, upside. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: you look at some of the other guys, um, Kyron Williams,
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  Speaker 1: you know, fine option. I will say though, man, Blake
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  Speaker 1: Corum looked phenomenal. I mean, the Rams did not have
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  Speaker 1: much going for them in that Australia game, but I
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  Speaker 1: think the one thing that definitely stood out to me
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  Speaker 1: is Blake Corum looked really, really good. So, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: over time, you know, maybe he digs into it, into
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  Speaker 1: the workload a little bit, but he's, I'm not saying
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  Speaker 1: Corum for captain, but I do think there's a little
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  Speaker 1: risk with Kyron. Corum ran the ball 10 times, 54 yards,
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  Speaker 1: and he just, he looked good. So I think over
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  Speaker 1: the course of the season. I mean, I think we're
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  Speaker 1: probably going to see more of him assuming he continues
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  Speaker 1: on that trajectory. So, um, I'm fine with Kyron. Don't
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  Speaker 1: love him for that reason. Think Scataboo's fine. Malik neighbors.
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: And then Devante Adams for sure. I mean, I, we
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: have him showing, yeah, 14%, right? So he's like the
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: fourth highest own. I want to be really overweight on,
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: on Adams, assuming that that poop is out. I mean, um,
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: the red zone stuff, the stuff at like the two
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: yard line. Like he has so, so much upside, I
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: think in this matchup and especially with Puka. So he
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: would probably be my favorite, but I'm probably just playing
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: the main guys. It's kind of boring. I mean, it's
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: going to be Dart, Stafford, Adams, neighbors, Cam Scadaboo. And
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: then I don't know, maybe if you want to include likely,
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, not very likely he has the
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: performance that he had in week one, but I guess
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: you never know. I mean, he looked very solid, but
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: not a likely outcome there. So I'll just kind of
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: rank them. Devante Adams, Dart, Scadaboo, Neighbors, Stafford, Kyron. So
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: it's kind of looking at it, but it's going to be,
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: you know, those six guys, seven guys, six, six guys.
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: And that, that goes back to like what title was
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: saying and what, and what I was saying, just putting
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: it both together is like, I don't think anybody's going
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: to argue with any of these captains. It's all how
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: you rank them, what your exposures you get to them are.
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: But the big ones that you brought up on, there's
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: another better one than I gave earlier that I actually
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: think is more realistic. How many people are going to
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: build a 45 K lineup? Again, some will plenty will
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: actually in the grand scheme of the old, like of
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: all the players, but, um, Williams decorum, just like that. Boom.
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: There's 5k left on the table. Got to have the
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: right captain first. You're still picking up one in six
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: that we just went through there, but then you got
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: to leave 5k and then have that outcome happen. Maybe
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: it doesn't, but I love stuff like that. And then
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: What if it's Corum you do need instead of Williams,
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: but it's also you need X Smith instead of Mumpfielder
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: Ferguson and everyone's got it with Ferguson. You got the
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: one with Mumpfielder with X Smith like that could be
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: a thing. Somebody did say this is actually funny. We
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: show this stuff off all the time. This guy is
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: so bad, so down at 200 bucks, he can't even
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: make the birthday list. We always got the birthdays on there.
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: You cannot make the list. But it is X Smith's birthday.
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: I looked it up. He wears a guardian cap. So
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: if that sways your opinion of him, you got to
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: think about that too. But he does.
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: I will say the guardian caps. Like, I do appreciate
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: it when I'm rooting on a guy and, like, sweating
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: a guy that is wearing the guardian cap because it's
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: super easy to find him on the field. Like, Chris Alave. Like,
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: you know, if you had Chris Alave lineups, like, And
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: the saints are passing the ball. Like, you know, your
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: guy right away, you don't have to see the number.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: You don't have to remember the color of their cleats.
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: Like he's very identifiable.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: Dobbs, man. He showed it off. He didn't have any
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: drops this weekend. I'm having some good, good catches and
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: he rocks it too. But yeah, We don't call him scat.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: He calls himself scat and there's his chain, but this
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: is the replica for 1299. I will say I'll keep
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: the bet from last year. If I win 500 K,
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: if I chop three ways or less tonight, I will
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: buy the scat chain that says Tambo with 22 on it.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: and get the exact same chain and wear it on
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: this show just because, but I won't buy the 1299 replica,
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: but they do sell it on eBay now. And very popular.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: The kids are big fans of scat. He's a streamer now.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: Like they, he sold out. There was 10 of these chains,
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: all 10 gone. So that tells you about scat, my friend.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: I'm sure on Amazon, I'm sure you can like, uh,
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: customize one and get something pretty similar.
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: I forget who it was. I think it was Ocho
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: Cinco telling the story before of how he's like, I
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: just always wear fake jewelry. He's like, why would I
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: waste my money on that shit? He's like, if people
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: think it's real, because it's me. And he's like, it's
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: no different than if somebody buys a Rolex. It's always like,
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: why would you even buy a real one? Because I mean,
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: collectors should and do, but I'm saying they'll be like,
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: if I'm wearing a Rolex, someone's like, oh, it's fake.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: No way, Tammo, you don't got a Rolex. But if
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: somebody else has it, they're like, oh. It must be real, right?
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: If a celebrity has it. So you just, Ocho Cinco's
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: point was, why would I buy real jewelry if everyone
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: thinks it's real anyway? He's like, I could just buy
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: the fake shit and save my money. Not sure if
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: that's true, but it was a story that was once told. Title,
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: I'll go over to you, man. You talked about it
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: already being pretty condensed. up top, anything you want to
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: add from, from any other like rankings to them now,
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: kind of like hoop did for how you see that
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: playing on maybe any roster constructions. Like if we're talking
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: about like five ones, two, four, four, two, like anything
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: that you see that could be unique with the shorter
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: captain pool, if you will. Yeah.
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: As far as the like roster construction, I mean, no
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: one like one Ram and five giants is going to,
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: is not going to be played at all. I think four,
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: two Rams and three, three are going to be the
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: most popular and But don't get it twisted. 5-1 Rams
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: will be pretty popular on this slate as well. With
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: no Puka, like the slate, the pricing came out before
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: the Puka news. So that means Devontae Adams is way
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: missed price. Parkinson, Ferguson, now Higby gets a bump. No
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: Whittington who got snaps. And Mumfield-Smith, when you just go
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: to value, it's so much easier to go to the
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: Rams side than the Giants side with how short they are.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: So it's going to be concentrated a lot more Rams teams, 5-1, 4-2,
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: and 3-3 than Giants teams. and I'm probably going to
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: be relatively similar when it comes to that. I'm trying
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: to look at my initial run. Yeah, and I think
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: the Rams win the game too, so once I put
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: that into all of it, it's hard for me to
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: get too many Giants teams. As far as my rankings,
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: it's Devontae for me, number one. With him as the
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: pure alpha. Favorite to score a touchdown at minus 115,
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: I think it's a great spot. Jackson Dart would be two.
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: I think they're going to be trailing. He can get
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: there four quarters to use his legs and find ways.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: So he's number two. Kyra, number three. He's minus 200
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: to score. Him and Devontae are the only ones favorite
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: to score a touchdown. And Corum looked good. I agree
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: with Hoop. But I was kind of like 39 snaps
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: versus 14 for Corum. in the game one that's pretty
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: good if that split continues that's favorable for Kyron from
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: what people expected coming into the year and then after
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: that I think it's the neighbors and Stafford for me
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: it's pretty close I don't like scat very much plus
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: 115 at to score and 51 and a half on
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: the ground without catching passes is not good so he'd
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: really need a ceiling game or score twice and I
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: don't think they win so I don't see that happening
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: so maybe I just fully fade him hope people chase
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: the likely game. Maybe I fully fade him. I think
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: I'm planning on five captains right now. And again, that's
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: not a hot take. I think you need the highest scores.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: I think these five will be the highest scores and
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: I can get overweight in all five if I do that. Yeah.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: One thing I will add, and I usually, you know,
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: sometimes I'm, I've been the one like advocating for this
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: all the time. I actually don't love it as much
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: tonight as I don't like the, the other reason I
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: love to say is I don't like the quarterback captains
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: nearly as much as the field does. And I get it.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: It's like, it's a product of there's only so many
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: ways to go and spending the money I've already talked
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: about that part, but like, yes, Jackson Dart with those legs,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: the way he's been working them that, you know, that
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: what we saw last time out, I think he was
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: the winning captain at 40 points or whatever it was
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: or whatever he ended up having. Could that happen again?
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: Much more likely than Stafford too, probably because Stafford doesn't
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: even run it. But I also think we could see
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: more condensed. Like you've got a guy like neighbors. I
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: could see, I could see two fours with neighbors up top,
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: get Jackson Dart in the flex and and then run
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: the other side and then still play roulette a little bit.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: But it's like, okay, let's say if that happens, it's
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: going to be the comeback of most people will just
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: have Stafford and Adams, but it could be, then you
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: leave a bunch of money on the table and get
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: two of the cheaper guys that aren't popular X Smith,
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: something like whoever else you put down there. The other
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: thing I like is Adams or Puka was in, we'd
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: be into Puka. And then obviously if Puka was somehow
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: in not analyzing it that way, as we said, but
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: if he was, that would bring the quarterback ownership down.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: and change the slate a bit. But right now, because
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: he's not in, I'm still interested in like Kyron. I'm
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: still interested in Adams, scat likely, you know, John Harbaugh
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: might just go right back to this guy again. So like,
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: like title said, maybe he doesn't like hoop said, maybe
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: he doesn't, but they kept doing it last game because
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: if it's working, they do, they went out and got
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: them for a reason. So didn't see as much Theo,
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: those guys out there. So I'll just say that is
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: I'm more on the other quarterbacks for my rankings and
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: equally we'll say, but I'm just, I'm definitely underweight on
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: the quarterbacks up top right now, even though they can
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: spread it out a bunch. I just think the game
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: could play out a little bit differently. And then it
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: makes you leave money on the table, which I love
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: for tonight. Like I said, so hopefully it stays this way. Um, hoop,
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: I'll go back to you, man. Anything else you want
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: to add at quarterback in general, and then talk us
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: through as a flex perspective.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: Uh, yeah, nothing more to add. Like I'm with you.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: I don't, I guess I, I should say I don't
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: love Stafford up there, you can make the case for him,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: I think, without Puka a little bit more, spreading it out,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: touchdowns to multiple pass catchers. I do like Dart, though,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: I think a little bit more than you. The rushing upside,
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: I think, is pretty big. I think the Giants are
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: going to be an improved team this year. I like
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: them to battle in this game. I don't know if
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: I'm calling the full-on upset, but I guess I wouldn't
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: be surprised if the Giants win this game. I think
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: they're going to be an improved team this year. We'll see.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, they look good, obviously, beating Dallas in week one.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: But I was kind of high on them coming into
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: the season. And I think they battle in this game
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: and potentially win it. So I guess I'm going to
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: be building my teams under that assumption. But not too
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: much more to add in terms of talking quarterbacks. I mean,
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: quarterbacks always have such a high floor on the showdown slate.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: So you can make the case for them in flex
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: and get as much exposure as, as you want there, obviously.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, Rio again, shout out, hopefully caught the
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: start of the show. We all wish him a big
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: congrats for yesterday. Second place in the $ 20 Millie maker.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: And it could have been, could have been first. It
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: was right there to the end, needed the Ferguson over
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: the lamb touchdown at the end. But he says Stafford
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: captain plus fade. Adams loves something like that. If you,
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: if you are going to, again, when I do put
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: Stafford up top, that's where I'm saying, like, again, it's
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: obviously it's way more likely, but that's baked into it,
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: that it's going to be Adams involved. But what if
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: it is Stafford? to Williams, to Parkinson, to X Smith.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: I keep using. And then on the other side, you
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: just need the other guys. You could build like that
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: and have a completely different lineup altogether. And he said,
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: he's playing some Parkinson captain up top tonight too. That's,
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: that's pretty sneaky. And I might have to join you
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: on that because man at 5,400 and the captain. how
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: do we even spend 45 grand at that point? I mean,
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: I have to think about it. Um, I know how
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: you'll be building and I know how I'd be building
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: it too, but it's, you know, you don't want to
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: do that. Anybody hand building out there right now and
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: just jam all the other dudes, but just think accordingly
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: when you're building that out as what that looks like.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: But you know, that would leave a bunch of money
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: on the table as well. So title, anything else you
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: want to add at quarterback flex perspectives?
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: I'm going to play a lot of them. I think
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: we need raw points and both make like dark could
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: have three points at halftime and finish with 25. And
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: if I do think the Rams win and maybe you're
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: up two touchdowns, like that only benefits start getting in
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: there and garbage time. And then Stafford. Yeah. I like
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: Stafford less than dart, but I mean, there's only so
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: many options with guys that are going to score. If
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: I don't like scat and there's only so many guys
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: that can spend on 16 from Stafford could be in
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: the flex tonight. And when that's the case, it's hard
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: to fade. It's also, like the Rams really want this game.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: I mean, they just got absolutely embarrassed week one. Now
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: you have a little longer week, but it's, I mean,
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: they're the Superbowl favorites. You get Aaron Donald back, you
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: lose Garrett, but they're going to show up at home
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: and I think they're going to put up points.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That's a key component that you mentioned too. Like
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: I said, as much as I mentioned, not liking them
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: as much up top.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: Great.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, these are the top flex plays for me
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: because of that, because it's just, it fits with everything
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: else I'm doing. If it's neighbors or Adams up top,
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: I likely have them in the, in the, Flex, you know,
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: you don't not always, but for the most part, yes.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: And then the same thing, if you're going with a
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: likely or whatever else I'm doing, uh, up top it's
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: gonna be a lot of these quarterbacks in the flex
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: for me title i'll stay with you we already talked
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: a little bit about williams versus quorum you already talked
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: a little bit i mean the the scat stuff makes
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: sense from the props perspective i know last week it
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: was like uh what was it tracy and singletary and
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: then tracy had that fumble early on and then after
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: that it was no more tracy to be found and
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: singletary was getting mixed in some though so that is
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: of interest i guess as like another cheapie on the
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: slate that you could go to but what's your thoughts
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: at the running back position.
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: I'm definitely going to play some Singletary. Yeah, I mean, Tracy,
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: it was a preseason block that he missed that someone
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: got blown up, and then they signed Najee Harris, and
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: then he fumbles in the first quarter, and he was
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: nowhere to be found. They're done with this dude. I
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: can't blame them. And then they rolled out Devin Singletary,
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: who can pass block a little bit, can catch the
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: ball out of the backfield. Just a veteran they trust.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: And yeah, he played a lot of snaps. He played
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: 36% of snaps last week. And if they are trailing...
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: and they're in clear passing down situations, I think you
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: will see or you could see a closer split with
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: Singletary and Scat, kind of like we saw last week.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: So the 3K Singletary, when people are not going to
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: be going to value on that side, he actually is
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: one of my favorite value plays as a way to
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: get different at 6.8% we're showing in the flex. Other
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: than that, yeah, I already said I'll be under on Scat.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: And then I do think Kyron and Korm are both good,
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: and I'm fine playing both of them in the same lineup. Again,
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: if the Rams roll, both of them can find their
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: way in the box and then get there in the
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: same lineup. So yeah, that's a Ram side for me.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: I like that call to putting those two together. Definitely
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: a way you can get a little bit unique. Cause not,
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: not everyone will do it. Some will because they're both
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: going to be owned on this slate. And like you said,
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: only so many options, but just something to think about
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: when you're out there putting your lineups together. I liked
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: it the other day, underdog had posted out on Tracy jr. Said, um,
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: illness and ball security won't practice Wednesday. So it is
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: a problem when you come in the game and that's
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: sort of what you do. That's not going to go
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: over well, especially with a new coach that's there too.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: So got to remember that, but not sure on, I don't,
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: I haven't seen a nausea update in forever. I'm not
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: sure if they actually are going to play him and
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: not the other what's going on with him. It's been
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: like two weeks since any news even came out on
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: this guy, but a hoop, I'll kick it over to
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: you for running back. I'll try and see if there's
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: anything else that I can find on nausea, but anything
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: that you were wanting to bring up here.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: Definitely prefer the ramp side to the giant side. If
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: you're picking some of these running backs, I do think
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: there's a little additional with, with puke out additional potential
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: receptions for these guys. We saw yesterday, we talked about
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: on the show on, on the Ravens, like no Zay
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: flowers and they were scheming plays for Derrick Henry to,
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: to get those little receptions. I think he had like
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: three or four. I don't know what the exact number is,
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: but that goes a long way. unfortunately for the Ravens.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: I don't even know what that was in the second half.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: It seemed like they never even had the football. The
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: time of possession must have been so lopsided in the
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: second half. It was insane because Derek Henry was cruising
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: in the first half. I was massively overweight on it.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: I don't think they had the football at all. It
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: must have been a bunch of three and outs or
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: something because that was bad. In regards to this game, though,
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: I think we could see a couple extra catches for Kyron.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: and maybe even Corum. So for me, that pushes those
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: guys up. You know, Scadaboo, fine with him. I do
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: agree with, you know, kind of with what title saying,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: and I think he's made some good points about him.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: So probably bring him down a little bit, even in
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: the captains, like he got no catches last week. It
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: was just 18 carries. Singletary was out there more than expected.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: So I do think that is a downgrade for a
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: guy like Scadaboo. And if you are building, assuming they're
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: playing from behind, it could be even more Singletary. So
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: for me, just when you factor in everything, Corum, Kyron Williams, Skadaboo, Singletary,
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: that's kind of how I'll rank it. But yeah, I
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: don't mind taking like an underweight stance to Skadaboo. And then,
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: like I said about Corum, he looked phenomenal, man. And
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: 10 carries, 4,600. One trip to the box, and, you know,
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: he's probably needed on optimal.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: What's the props on Corham right now? So, Nades just
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: threw in the rush receiving for Singletary. He's 27 and
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: a half.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: You want rush receiving or just rush?
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: You can just do rush. It's fine. I was just
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: more curious as a whole.
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: 20– oh, excuse me, 47 and a half.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: Dang, that's solid.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: I might need that.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: 62 and a half. Scat's 52 and a half. So,
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: he's five yards off of scat. Really?
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: 52 for Scataboo?
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Props hate him.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: I will say that's my point. I know the jokes,
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: the chain jokes aside, I like Scat and the captain.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's got to be him or not. It's
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: kind of like that's how you got to look at
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: those situations. So it doesn't seem like it's great because
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: of all that stuff. But it's like if it is
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: going to be him, I think it's going to be him.
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: Again, probably low odds of that. That's why we have
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: him at a low optimal rate over at Ship of Nation.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: And that's why you're not seeing as many people playing him.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: But that what I meant by that is like when
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: you're going when you're doing something like that, it's almost
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: better to commit to it in some spots and then
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: just be away from it on the other. Because you
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: just said you like quorum and singletary somewhere else and
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: does not even need them. So it's almost like if
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: you're going to need them, let's play for the outcome
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: of you actually needing him. If not, let's just not
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: go crazy with them.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: So I think that's something– That's a horrible number. I mean,
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: a $ 9, 400 running back, 50.
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: I mean, you've got to build for the under and
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: a Giants win, in my opinion.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: I'm tempted.
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: Because even if they get the– even if the over
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: hits and Giants win, I mean, there's probably some receiver
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: or something that's happening where it's hard as just a
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: traditional powerhouse.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: There's a lot.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: If this is a competitive game, though, let's say it's
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: a competitive game, the guy gets probably– 20 carries, right,
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: in a competitive game?
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: I bet you that's where you're 13 and a half.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was going to say that's going to be
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: lower than 15.
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: Not even close.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: Singletary played a ton.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: And maybe– I don't know how much they want to
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: just fully– after that injury last year and stuff, I
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: don't know how much they just fully week two, week one,
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: just want to give them 20 plus.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: Because, yeah, like you said– They won that game.
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: It was a close game.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: He got 18, 18 carries, 81 yards. Like if this
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: was a close game.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: He got that last week.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: But if this game is competitive though, I mean, if
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: it's within a touchdown, like he has to get over
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: 15 carries and that would be what? 300? Three yards
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: a carry, a little over three. I don't know. That
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: is a wild number.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: I would just bet you over on the carries, though,
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: if you like that.
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, 13 and a half. If you think he's getting
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: at least 15, I would do that, too. I do
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: agree with what Tambo's saying. Like, if you're going to
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: play him, I think he's better at captain and just
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: hope he fully gets there. I'm just not really on
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: the same page. But build it for, in my opinion,
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: a Giants win and under, I think, is the best
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: chance if Skadabo was that captain. But it's football. It's
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: one game. Anything can happen. None of us can see
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: the future.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That's what I said. All we can do. I
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: always say this, but you know, it's, it's how not
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: who it's why all we can do is built for
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: what we think the future is going to hold. And again,
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: you have a portfolio that you can do that in. So, uh,
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: definitely think it's like a, a way to think about that.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: That's different. I was going to add to, um, I
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: got the nausea news, quote unquote, nausea news, but, uh,
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: it looks like a Tracy could be sat and that
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: they could activate nausea for this week just to have them,
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: but it's the focus is on scat singletary and, and
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: then going from there. So again, it'd be short yardage,
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: stuff like that. If he got in, not saying to
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: play that guy, but just noting it, that that could
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: be the case. We'll wait for inactives later. It'd be
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: a big slate for inactives because again, we'll have to
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: wait and see if Nakua wants to show up and
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: do it. Funny enough, it's the guy that we're about
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: to get to and segue to neighbors and the giants
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: and the receiving core there, plus the other side. But neighbors,
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: the guy that showed up last week and was like, yeah,
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: I'll play. Why not? And just run it out there. And,
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: you know, McConkie yesterday throws on the vest. We're good.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: Let's just go out there and see what happens. So
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: these guys sometimes do want to do it. It doesn't
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: seem like Puka's going to, but who knows? Guy can
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: be a bit of a drama king, if you will, sometimes.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: He likes to be in the news and get his
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: name out there. So maybe that's a way. he can
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: drag it on, but hoop, I'll go to you, man.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of receivers here and that goes, I
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: know we just had a big conversation about tons of
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: different running backs, but it condensed for like who you'd
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: expect it to be. But a lot of guys after
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: that on who it could be at wide receiver.
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's two, I'm not guaranteed, but two appealing guys,
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: obviously Devante Adams looks phenomenal with puke out 8,800 going
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: to be very, very popular, but man, he should be,
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: He should do very well in this game with the
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: opportunity that he gets. Neighbors, fine at 9K. But after that,
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: it's a lot of question marks. I mean, on the
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: Giants side, Fields at 5,600. Like, he's priced where, I mean,
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: he's really got to do something. And he's 5,600, four
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: targets last game. I struggle with that one. Like, dark
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: captain teams, sure. you know, get some exposure to him.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: But man, outside of that, I just struggle to click
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: that name. And then Mooney at 38, definitely prefer just
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: playing Mooney over fields. You know, only two targets. Oh,
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: two for two last game, but he's 3,800. He doesn't
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: need to do as much as the $ 5, 600 guy. So,
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: and then I guess people might want to play Odell Beckham.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: And I just don't think so. And then on the
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: Rams side, Obviously, this is where the value comes in
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: with Puka out. Xavier Smith, you've been calling him X Smith.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: 200 bucks. People love the $ 200 plays. Got a decent
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: projection on him. Ownership is showing. Where's this guy? 6%
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: we have now. That's going to come up. It's definitely
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: going to come up once we get official news that
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: Puka is indeed out. People love the $ 200 play. It's fine. Like,
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: if you're building a ton of lineups, include him. Mumfield.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: Don't you think he comes up more, though? Sorry to
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: cut you off, but you're saying, like, I think he
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: comes up way more if Puka plays. But we're not
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: expecting Puka to play because $ 200, you don't really need
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: him right now.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but then the projection is going to totally drop.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: But I don't even know if Puka does play. You're
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: probably not going to need him anyway because you've got
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: one guy that's going to be over 10K on the
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: entire slate. like you have one guy and then his
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: projection is going to fall like a freaking rock.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: So right now, Puka is 17 something again, when not
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: even expecting the place, it's kind of mood. I'm just
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: knowing if Puka was in, then I'd see people trying
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: to jam Puka up top with everybody. And I would
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: expect X Smith to still be up there because I'm
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: assuming Whittington and, you know, you'd still have him out.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: So it's like, okay, at least he makes sense. I think,
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: The only reason I'm saying is because I think like
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: there's an opportunity with X Smith, which will segue when
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: we get to tight end later, is like if everyone's
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: on Parkinson or Ferguson or whatever, that's another spot that
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: you could just leave the money. And you could see
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: a guy like X Smith or Mumpfield just beat those
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: guys straight up and leave all that money on the table. Yeah.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, for me personally, I think these guys are
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: super thin plays regardless, even with Puka out, because they're
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: going to run. two tight end sets are going to
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: run a lot of three tight end sets. They do
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: that with Puka and Devante Adams healthy. Like what are
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: they going to do with Puka outs? Either way, I
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: do think these guys are thin. I guess I'm hoping
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: the ownership comes up because I want to be probably
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: under on these guys outside of like Matthew Stafford captain teams.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford captain teams is where I want to use
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: these guys outside of that. I'm just not going to
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: be excited to click on Smith or Mumfield or Tutu Atwell. So,
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: I'm hoping, I guess, the ownership does come up when
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: we get the official word on Puka because I don't
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: really love these guys all that much. It's going to
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: be a lot of two tight end, three tight end.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: And those are going to be the wide receiver twos.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: When those guys are out there, they are going to
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: be the de facto second option, third option for Stafford.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: They're used to those sets. Like I said, they do
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: that when Puka is in the game. So now that
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: he's out, they're just going to do more of that stuff.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: So I guess it's a long way of me saying
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: I don't have a ton of interest in these Rams cheapies.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: I'm hoping ownership comes up and then I'm underway down.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: But it is a pretty, in my eyes, ugly position
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: after even Devonta Adams. I mean, I'm fine with neighbors,
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: but I don't love neighbors. Like I like Jackson Darks.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: I think he's going to run the ball. I think
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: Nate's posted the prop in the chat. It's like a 50-50.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: was it 50 something Russian prop maybe for, for dark?
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure. Oh wait, no 30. So in the
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: 30 still, that's fine. I like that number as well. So, uh,
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: not thrilled with this position outside of Devante.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah. You put the numbers up here. That's why I
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: said like, again, right now it's so much money available,
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: but yeah, yeah. Perg Park, Parkinson and Ferg Ferguson. That's the, uh,
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: the two that have the bigger numbers on them. And
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: then people know about these, um, tight end sets that
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: the the rams run and all that stuff so i
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: think that just becomes a little bit more common i
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: will say like even last night title kickover wide receiver
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: to you but like um pretty sure thornton beat rice
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: straight up.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: Didn't he uh to be honest i fell asleep like
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: near right near the end of that game i will
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: say though rice is but just might be stone dust
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: like i he's probably the most overrated adp player and
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: i yeah he's got to figure things out but yeah
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: He might have. Thornton's a beast. I don't know for sure.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: Anyway, it was, and it could have been a lot more,
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: but it's like, again, just for people tonight, like it's like, again,
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: this is a spot where you would expect a lot
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: of things, but things can flip up and switch a
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: little bit. So it makes it at least somewhat intriguing,
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: but we know neighbors. We know Adams. I'm curious your
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: takes on some of the, the, the Rams backups. And
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: then not, backups, but like the two threes and the
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: guys that are playing in as backups. And then also
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: Malachi fields of dreams. If you, if you build with him,
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: points will come.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: Like who said four targets are going to have to
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: wait and see, but maybe they try and get him
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: involved a little bit this week, deep targets, things like that.
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: Mooney.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure what we're, what we're doing here on
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: either side besides neighbors and Adams. What do you got?
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: I don't even know if the coaches know what they're doing.
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: I don't think you can get a worse receiving room,
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: but with all that being said, if you're going to
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: jam all the chalk, like captains and stuff, this is
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: where your neighbor's 47%, Devontae 45%, and then we don't
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: have one other receiver over 10% in the flex. It's
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: absolutely crazy, but it goes to what Hoop's saying. These
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: guys are the fourth, fifth options. On the Rams, it's Parkinson,
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: it's Ferguson, it's the running backs, it's Devontae. All of
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: these other randoms are the fifth option. And then you're
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: going to the Giants. They rotated last week. Fields, Mooney, Nabors, Berrios,
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: and OBJ. And Fields, I think, probably is going to
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: have one of his better games. He ran 72% of
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: snaps because Nabors only had 52% because they were working
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: him in. So now when Nabors is going to go
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: up in snaps, Fields is going to come back a
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: little bit. And the props indicate all of that. 25.5
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: for Fields, 19.5 for Mooney, 14.5 Mumfield, 13.5 Xavier Smith.
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: They're all terrible. Parkinson, Ferguson, likely after neighbors and Devante,
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: those are the three, the next three highest receiving props.
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: So it really just shows, I think you need to
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: get lucky. And if I need to get lucky, to
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: be honest, I think it's Monfield and Xavier Smith of
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: the best chance of just catching a 60 yard, 50
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: yard bomb or something from Stafford. So I think they're
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: my next favorites. And they probably fit best in five,
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: one builds. Like I'm worried. I'd prefer Mooney to field
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: just because of the savings and ability to leave money.
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: obj and barrios like they played but they only played
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: what was it's 12 snaps 11 snaps this position is
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: absolutely terrible i think you really are only playing it
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: as a way to get different and chalk your teams
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: and it's cheap and yeah i prefer mumfield xavier smith
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: tutu didn't see get one snap last week whittington had
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: 41 of snaps he's out and now obviously pook is
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: out so yeah i guess the rams by by default Yeah.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: The Mooney one could be interesting. We've seen him have
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: opportunities back when it was with Atlanta, where he would
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: move around a little bit with London and Pitts and
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: Bijon and all those guys out there. And he would
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: just dance around and end up being open somehow. I
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: guess that's possible, but we just haven't seen it. You know,
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: we haven't had a chance to see it yet, I
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: guess is kind of the point too.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: So.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: At least, like you said, when you're sort of playing
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: roulette at wide receiver, that's a way. But I liked
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: your Mumfield and Smith calls. I think that's the ones
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: that are more likely to be where I fit them in.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: The biggest thing for me, and then I'll segue it
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: to tight end for you, Hoop, is that what I
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: said earlier, and we'll go to tight end, but it's
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: no doubt that it's going to be Ferguson people love,
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: Parkinson people are getting to, likely coming off the big game.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: all of those are opportunities just to leave that money
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: on the table and play these guys. It's just not
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: going to feel great, but you're leaving props that are
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: mostly unknown. Uh, they, they know just as much or
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: just as little as we know, we should say for
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: these 14 and a half, 16, they're just throwing it
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: out there and you could go and bet on it
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: if you want and make your picks based off of
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: that and get your, your betting lines in and do that.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: But I think for The most part, like, yeah, you
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: would expect Parkinson and Ferguson to have more yards than
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: Mumfield and Smith, but they're one play away from just
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: dummying either of those guys. So it's like, that's how
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: I'm looking at it for lineups tonight. Will it take
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: some luck to get there, but it could lead in
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: your favor from the variance factor, but tight or a hoop.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: I'll go to you at tight end, both sides.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, you look at the top three guys
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: and I guess there's reasons to like, in terms of projections,
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: there's reasons to like them and there's reasons to not
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: like them all that much. um you know likely just
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: seems like such a chase play after the big week
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: one performance like he absolutely you know went off nuked
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: the slate you needed him 7400 has a big price
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: tag but then it's like you go back and we
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: just talked about the wide receiver position and we kind
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: of hate all those guys is he the number two
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: on the giants like it's very possible so You know,
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: the ownership and the chasey nature of it feels kind
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: of gross. But again, if you're building a bunch of
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: teams and you're playing Jackson Dart up top, like you
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: just have to include them by default. And then you
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: got Parkinson, you got Ferguson. It's no secret. Like when
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: we just talked about the wide receivers, like if you
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: take everything out of the equation, it's like, who do
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: you feel the most comfortable with after Devonta Adams? It's
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: going to be these two. It's going to be Parkinson.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: It's going to be Ferguson. But the field knows that
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: and the ownership is following behind those guys. But it's
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: almost like you just you got to play it out
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: of necessity again, especially if you're building a bunch of teams.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: If you're hand building three teams, you probably don't have
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: to do this little thing and you can avoid some
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: of this ownership that's following. But if you're building a
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: bunch and you're building Matthew Stafford captain teams like you
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: have to include Parkinson in Ferguson. So it's kind of
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: by necessity, I guess. It doesn't feel great, though. I'll
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: say that much. The one that is interesting to me, though,
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: is Tyler Higbee at 2,800, not much ownership. I think
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: a lot of people will just take that bigger price
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: break with those wide receivers that we talked about over
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: Tyler Higbee. But Higbee had a role on this team
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: prior to Puka being out. He was on the field,
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: had a couple catches last week, has the connection with
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford. I think he is a very interesting play
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: at 2,800, 5% ownership. I think he's the one when
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: you look at these past catchers that kind of, that
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: definitely stands out to me the most, there's no way
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: the ownership gets up there. It's going to stay in check.
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: Already had a role prior to Puka being out and
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: now has the opportunity, I think, to potentially pick up
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: some additional targets. So I think he's a fine option. Um,
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: and I mean, you've got a lot of guys here
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: that are projecting Theo Johnson, Davis Allen, Davis Allen had,
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: I remember at least one catch. I could be the
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: end of it last week. I can't remember. Let me see. Um, 2.3,
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: one catch for 13 yards. Sure. If you want to
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: include him in staff recapping teams, it's fine. But yeah,
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, likely Parkinson, Ferguson, there's pros and
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: cons to those guys. Higby though is one that stands
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: out to me.
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: I think Hoop said it best when he's like, he's,
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: he's hoping that they get up there cause he wants
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: to fade it anyway. So that's, that's what he's hoping for.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: But Frank Gore is a product of, Who do we got?
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: Josh Allen, Amon Ross, St. Brown, Jameer Gibbs, all on
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: the same slate. That's how you get a $ 400 guy
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: up there when people want to jam four guys that
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: cost that much. Currently, we don't have anyone that costs
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: over $ 15, 000 in captain. And that's Matt Stafford, who I think,
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: like Hoop said it, Title said it, I agree with both.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: You got... Jackson dart running for what 5060 yards last
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: week like I'm not saying that's going to happen again
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: but you feel much better putting him up top, being
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: able to do it that way or and if you're
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: going the other way it's probably more people putting Adams
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: or Stafford with Adams that type of thing so you're
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: just not going to need that as it stands right now.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: If you like him, play him. If you think he's
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: getting a touchdown for his birthday present, by all means,
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: get him in there at 200 bucks. But otherwise, it's
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: like Hoops said, maybe you hope he gets pushed up
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: and then you're not on him. There's so many other options.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: I love the Higby call that you just had at
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: tight end. I think Nades posted it, but like Theo
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: Johnson was involved last week. A lot of us played
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: Theo Johnson last week only to get crushed by likely,
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: almost the opposite effect of what we usually see where
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: it's like, oh, that's the backup guy, but it's the starter. Really,
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: it's the main guy. Likely that it just went off.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: but Theo and Higby are both squeezed right between Parkinson
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: and Ferguson who are way more popular on that side.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: And then obviously likely popular, but he's also $ 7, 400. It's
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: a big difference in that flex position. So title, and
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: you want to add there on these, these titles, really
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: every position tonight, we've been able to make the case
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: for two to three guys and not just beyond the
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: ones that we know of like who it could be.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: That's the unique part about this slate.
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's definitely a unique one. I, I mean, I
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: feel like I've never been more concentrated in my life
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: on a showdown game. Again, the more lineups you play,
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: definitely the more you should diversify. I agree with everything
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: Hoop said. I'm Ferguson number one, then Parkinson, but I
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: like them both tons. But Higby is the one that's
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: standing out because, yeah, he's showing really low ownership. Then
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: just looking at the props, comparing him to Mumfield and
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: Mooney and all this, Higby's 13.5, which is right around him. Again,
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: showing way less ownership. And But Higby is more likely
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: to score a touchdown than Mumfield, Malachi Fields, Xavier Smith, Mooney,
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: Theo Johnson, all of those guys. And a lot of
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: them will be higher owned. So he only played 20%
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: of snaps last week. But maybe that comes up a
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: bit with no Puka and not wanting to put Xavier
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: Smith and Mumfield out there a bunch. So, yeah, I
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: think Higby at low ownership is interesting. Theo was not
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: one that I was on. But 2% when I really
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: don't like many Giants, maybe you just play five Rams
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: all more expensive and he's your punt. Yeah. Nades was right.
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: He was involved quite a bit. 44% of snaps, 46%
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: of snaps, eight and a half receiving prop. Is it good? No,
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: but again, none of these wide receivers are good. 25
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: and a half for fields. And then everyone else is
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: below that when you're not including neighbors and likely. So,
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: and then yeah, for likely it, to me, it just
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: feels like a massive chase. Could be wrong. I think
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: he's an athletic guy. He's the second option behind neighbors,
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: but now I think neighbors snaps will go up more.
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: And I'm just on the Rams today. So it's harder.
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: With that being said, I'm on the Rams. I think
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: they're going to trail, so they'll be throwing a lot more.
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: So maybe, but he's $ 7, 400. And I think he just
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: naturally knowing what he did last week, people, his ownership
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: will get boosted just for that reason alone, which I
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: don't love to chase that either.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Take us right into kickers and D's. One thing
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: to definitely look um accurate tonight is like it looks
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: like the kickers will be pushed up somebody mentioned kickers
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: in captain earlier and the main the one main reason
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: is because the giants d just I mean, probably won't
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: get any ownership really, because most people aren't on anything
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: related to the Giants D being involved and they're playing
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: so many Rams that how could they ever get to
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: that anyway? But just give me your thoughts as you've
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: got them at kicker and D tonight. Yeah.
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: And it sounds everything I've said. And then what I'm
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: going to say makes no sense, but that showdown Giants
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: is probably my favorite of all four of them. There's
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: 6% owned and one random play can score it nine,
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: eight points and that's enough. So I need to get
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: different when I'm chalky elsewhere. They're 6% and they have
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: 48 minutes to get anything. So, yeah, that's the only
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: reason there. But otherwise, I'll probably be under on probably
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: almost all of them. Like any Mivas team, I'll go
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: to Ferguson or Parkinson. And, again, that's not going to
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: take out a ton of dupes, but at least you're
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: leaving 2K or whatever it is that way. And even
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: though I didn't love Mooney or the Mumfields and Smith,
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: plug in Mivas and go to Mumfield and leave 4K
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: right there. So, like you said from the top, that's
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: what your plan is, I think, in flex. my plan
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: will be dropping one V one pivots to leave chunks
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: of money as a way to get different. But that's all.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: We're playing a little bit of our own variance game.
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: Cause like I said, it's, it's not ideal that that's
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: what you're spinning the wheel on tonight, but if it's
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: for the prize at the top, that's kind of what
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: we're looking at. Right. Versus if, you know, you get the,
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: let's say, I don't know, who's the most popular of
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: the chief captains.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: Like, is it.
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: Maybe likely?
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: What's considered. Yeah. Probably one of the tight ends. I'd say.
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess like whatever one just jams everybody in.
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure. I guess it would actually probably be
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: like if Dart or Stafford is up top or Adams,
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: one of those three, and then Ferguson or Parkins, whoever
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: ends up more popular. You get that lineup that comes
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: along where everybody just gets there. I mean, 500K is
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: going to turn into 500 bucks.
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: Likely it's going to be more popular, I think, up
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: top than a lot of projections are showing. I just
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: want to do a little, let's do a little sample.
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: lineup with likely yeah so it's like you have likely
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: up there and you can get probably four studs and
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: then one punt i'm assuming so you get likely you
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: probably want dart let's just say you put in so
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: you got likely dart davante kyron williams and let's just
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: say we plug in xavier smith just for shits and
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: giggles and see if we can get another stud in
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: there yeah then you get stafford as well so like
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: likely up top you get four studs and one punt
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: so like i do think people are going to find
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: that pretty appealing. It's likely up top, a full punt,
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: and then four other studs to go along with likely.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: And if you're playing likely up top, you want dark.
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: So I do think likely could get bumped up a
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: little bit. I mean, we're showing, let's see, we've got
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: them right around three and a half. Could get, I
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: don't know, maybe six or something. I wouldn't be surprised
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: if it was double that, six, seven range.
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, six, seven. Maybe it does.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: We'll have to wait and see.
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: But like, yeah, the title you answered, I was going
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: to ask that question. Like we've just seen a lot
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: of this stuff, but like from a game perspective, ask
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: the survivor folks how it's going out there with teams
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: that can win. And if you really think it's just
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: like an onslaught of all these big wins, Philly almost
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: lost to Tennessee yesterday. Like the Ravens lost to the
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: Saints at home. There's a bunch of these teams that
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: are getting crushed right now. And so anything can happen,
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: especially earlier in the season. maybe the giants are for
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: real Leo, what we saw last week, they come out
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: and do it all again. We'll see. But, uh, or
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: maybe the Rams are worse than we thought they were
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: annoying when they're without miles Garrett and Puka and they
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: don't play up to it. Like there, there's just so
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: many ways to go about it. And that's why this
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: is a, like I said, that's why I like this
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: showdown slate. And I hope it's a good real life
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: game too. I think, I think it's going to be
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: a decent one, but, uh, who did you have anything
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: to add on the kickers and D's just with some
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: of those ownership percentages and whatnot?
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: No, I mean, you guys know I'm always going to
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: be higher on the kickers than just about anyone. The
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: price point is just flawed for the showdown format. So, yeah,
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: good with the kickers and, you know, whatever I get
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: at defense, I get at defense. All right.
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: Anything from you on the FanDuel side that you're noticing?
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: I guess that's one to look at today with the
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: way pricing sets up. Like Ferguson is still pretty cheap
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: over there. Likely 11,100. Oh, no, sorry. I'm looking at
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: the wrong thing.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: He's 82. I will say like Scadaboo is a little
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: cheaper on FanDuel. He's 8,800. And the game definitely fits
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: FanDuel scoring much better. You know, if the Giants are
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: competitive or winning and he does hit 20, carries and
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: you know gets 100 yards and a touchdown like i
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: think he he makes a lot more sense over on
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: fan duel than he does on on dk you're getting
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: the price break and you're also getting the format the
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: scoring format fits his game much better but i mean
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: it is pretty similar because you go down and it's
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: all the the same cheap guys higby's 5k though like
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: that's one thing i like take me a lot on
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: on dk where he's really cheap higby for some reason has.
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: How is he more than Parkinson and Ferguson?
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so stupid. That is so dumb just looking
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: at this.
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: Why is Devin Singletary 7.2K right by Blake Corum? If
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: Andal's even worse today, everyone's going to play the cheap
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: tight ends on the Rams. If you play any punt
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: that's not a Ram, there you go. You can get
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: different that way.
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: Singletary's almost scat's price over there.
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: It's crazy. What are they doing?
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: That's nuts.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: Are they just picking like... 2-2 at.
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: Will, then play a snap. Let's make them 5-4 above
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: every single tight end that's played.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: Like, I don't know. Yeah, so those Rams tight ends
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: are going to be even more popular on FanDuel, besides Higby,
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: who is the most expensive of all of them. So
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: pretty similar after those conversations, though.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: Although like Adams is 16, two versus 19, five and 18,
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: three for those other guys, a pretty similar ratio, but
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: it's like, you know, on FanDuel people just don't like
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: playing or typically don't like playing wide receivers in the MVP.
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: It's almost always going to be running backs or quarterbacks. So,
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: you know, something to think about over there for sure. Title,
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: do you have any other final thoughts you want to
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: talk about before we.
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: Get out of here?
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: No, I hope it's a good real life game. Like
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: you said as well. I mean, I think, Played 150
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: in the night, and I think I might have cast
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: one team, maybe two. I think it was a record
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: for me, which is also part of the reason I
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: went to bed. So it can't go worse than last night.
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: So hopefully some bubbles are to the right to keep
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: me awake for a sweat.
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a last question I saw here from Sean says,
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: going back to captain real fast, is it possible Adams
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: touches over 20% captain ownership if Puka's out? Everything already
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: assumes he's out. I will say there is, the main
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: possibility I think is just because maybe Stafford comes down
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: a little. I think there is, you know, a thought
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: where People know that at least Dart uses his legs
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: and runs and they don't have all the options they
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: want to pair. And also with Stafford, that is a
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: captain and also Stafford. Once you put Adams in, yes,
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: you can fill it out with other ways, but like
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: a lot of people aren't going to want to go
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: like what Rio said earlier with Stafford and the captain
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: and then three guys not named Adams. Well, then too
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: much money is left over. Let me wiggle this around
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: a little bit and see what it does. And then
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: they'll move it around and get Adams up top. get
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: stafford and then be able to go to all these
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: other expensive guys so it's just the way people view
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: it is differently and that could be a case i
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: don't know if he gets over 20 but you could
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: see the flip uh the flippening of stafford and adams
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: for sure i think hoop final thoughts.
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: From you now let's finish out week two on a
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: strong note and we'll get to work on week three
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: shortly after Yeah.
• 56:58
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• 56:59
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• 57:02
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• 57:05
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• 57:07
  Speaker 2: go to the site, shipitnation.com. Click the Ship It Games
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: logo at the top. Find out how you can get
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  Speaker 2: in the games and play for up to $ 45, 000. Currently, $ 45, 000
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  Speaker 2: plus in cash and prizes. So check that out for title,
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  Speaker 2: for hoop, for myself, Toe Tag, and Tambo. Good luck
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  Speaker 2: in your contest tonight. Let's ship it!