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Imam Hussain calls the broken 💔 ft. Shaykh Jaffer H Jaffer · After Maghrib 🌙

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This Mullah Al Ahmad Al Rahim Abdullah Abdullah Al Hussein
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Salah Alayhi was Salaam Alayhi. Welcome back to After Maghrib
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and condolences of course, first and foremost of the Imam of our
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time and of course to all at home on the tragic demise, the
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martyrdom of Abdullah Hussein Alayh Salaam along with his
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family and his companions Run sisters, we are now a few days
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into over a week into the blessed days, the blessed
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Knights of Muharram and we are fast approaching the day of
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Ashura. That means we're at a critical
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juncture of our spirituality of our Vicar and our Mosaib of Imam
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Hussein Leh Saddam. And it comes to a point where we
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now ask ourselves, in these days, in the build up to Ashura,
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are we ready for the return of our weighted Imam?
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Are we prepared to approach this blessed day with the respect
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that it deserves? And are we commemorating Imam
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Hussein in the way we should be, both in terms of the historical
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significance as well as the contemporary importance?
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And today, inshallah, we are blessed to have an amazing
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scholar, someone who has been gracing us here in London.
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In the heat of London, as you can probably tell, it's very
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hot. But this is nothing compared to
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the heat and the tragedy that Befellow Mammoth Hussein Ale
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Salaman is family companions and we've had this share with us
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throughout the last few days in London.
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Hamdullah. But before we introduce our
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blessed and dear Sheikh Say Ali Salaam Alaikum Sai,
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how are you doing Bella? Hamdullah, I'm well, How are you
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doing? How are you keeping?
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I'm well, it's been emotional the last few days and it's at
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the same time being beautiful. We always remember what I say.
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The Zaynab Salam alayhi said to me, said Malay to Allah Jamila.
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There's been beauty in the Mossiba and there's been an
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opportunity for us to grieve and mourn as a community.
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I put out on my personal Instagram a few days ago a
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message where I said that I feel like there's a unity.
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I saw I came across that, yes. In the community, and it feels
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like every community, every organization is working really
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hard. It feels like the communities
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are coming together. Attendance feels higher.
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Despite the heat here in London, attendance feels higher.
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There feels like there's an ideological unity.
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We have between people, we have a very famous saying in Arabic,
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we say Hubble Hussein, you know, the love of Imam Hussein about
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Abdullah Ali Salaam. His love unites us, brings us
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closer together. And we see and these are the
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fruits of the love of about Abdullah Hussein Ali Salaam.
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And I call the words you said and the condolences to the Imam
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of our time, to our listeners, to our audience.
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And I just want to say our hearts are heavy.
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Yeah. And our hearts are filled with
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pain. We've listened to massage day
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in, day out over the last few nights.
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But I, I, I think something I've been, you know, I mentioned in
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last week's episode, you know, what do we do with this love?
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Like, how do we channel? How can we put that to good use?
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Because I, I came across something very scary.
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And I know we, I want the chef to inshallah take part in this
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episode as soon as possible. I want to mention something very
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important because I I was listening to say, Mustafa
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Kazwini. I, I, he's a very irregular of
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mine. I listen to YouTube lectures
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online and he mentioned something, something that, you
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know, caught my eye. I was like, this is so
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important. He was like the tears, the tears
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that we cry for about Abdullah. It's yes, there's benefit to it,
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there's reward to it. And Charlotte extinguishes our
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sins, intercedes for us beyond all of them.
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But the tears are not enough for us to be Husseini.
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Why? Because he said historically I
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might have been sad when he ordered Chimmer a line to be
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had. The grandson of Rasul Allah,
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Muhammad Sallallahu Ali Ali Wasallam Omar bin Assad had
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tears in his eye. He knew he was the son of Fatim
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Dazarah. He knew he was the grandson of
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Rasul Allah. Yet those tears wasn't enough to
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stop him committing or giving that evil order.
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So this is something I think we all should all reflect on.
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Inshallah, Inshallah. They are salvation and they can
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only inshallah, hopefully four to five hours.
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OK, now Inshallah Sheikh Jafar H Jafar, thank you so much for
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being here, Sheikh. Thank you for having me.
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This is very nice to be here with you again.
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To our Imam, to all the believers, to all of you.
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It's an amazing time of the year.
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I know there is a tragedy, but you know, like I always find
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that this, this tragedy, it, it awakens it.
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It's not something that that adds so much grief that we feel
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like we can't continue with life.
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You know, sometimes in life when we go through hardships, we may
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not want to come out of the bed, for example, because there's so
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much weight on our shoulders. I think the weight of, of this
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tragedy. And then that's, I think for me,
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one of the miraculous aspects of this right is that we do this
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year in year out, like it's not like it's one time and then it's
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doesn't happen again. Every year it's renewed, it's
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the same energy, if not more energy because we've grown
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spiritually as people. But it's a grief that that
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really recharges, you know, it gives motivation, it gives
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energy, it gives hope. It gives so many different
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things that Allah has blessed us.
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He's really blessed us with this gift, you know, and it's really
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up to us to try and use it for good, you know, like it can't be
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that he gave everything and then we use it in vain or we use it
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or we misuse it. Like that line of questioning,
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like I don't want God to do that to me.
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You know, that I gave you this and look what you did with it.
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And Al Hamdullah, like, like you were saying in the intro, it's
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amazing throughout the world. You know what I mean?
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Like the youth, the adults, everyone are coming together
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with energy, excitement. And it's, it's really, it's
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really beautiful to see. Like for me, like I, I, I don't
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have the right like words. I would use words like it's
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amazing, it's beautiful, even though it's a tragedy, but
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that's genuinely how I feel. You know what?
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I mean, I think it's when what what really strikes me.
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And I think for me, this first occurred when I went for my
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first Zyat al Bahin in Iraq. I realized that the overwhelming
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number of people who love our Imam, and specifically when you
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think about how the Imam was a Khalid and how he was left alone
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and there was a time and a place where no one knew and could
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mourn his tragedy. There have been countless times
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over the course of history where no one could visit and pay their
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Salaam to the Imam to do the zyada of our Imam Ali, Saddam.
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And of course, when you look at today and you look at the sheer
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hundreds of millions of people worldwide who are commemorating
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his martyrdom, it really puts things into perspective.
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How blessed we are, how lucky we are.
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And it puts everything else, it makes everything futile.
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The community politics, the, the, the dynamics that we have,
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you know, the, the rebut, all of these things become so
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unimportant to us. And I think the, that's one of
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the many beauties we see. And this is the hikmah, I think,
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the wisdom that Sada Zainab was talking about.
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And also like I, I don't know if you guys want to get in, like I
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don't want to get too much into politics, but like the
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geopolitical environment that we currently live in today, like
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the world is learning about Shia ISM more than ever before.
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You know, like with what's happening in New York with the
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mayoral race and then what happened with the recent war.
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And so the name Shia is becoming more and more in people's minds.
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And now it's Subhanallah, it comes to Muharram.
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And now, you know, if anybody looks at Shia ISM, this would be
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what they learned, right? And then Arbaeen, you can't like
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Arbaeen was the largest peaceful gathering ever, but it was
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always hidden. No one talked about it.
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Like especially when we talk about like general media, right?
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But they can't hide it anymore. You know what I mean?
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Like Suhan Allah, like this, the wisdom behind how things unfold
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is beautiful. Like when that's what, like
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sometimes we God has this plan that we sometimes want to rush,
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you know? And you know, Allah says in the
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Quran that like a day with me is like 1000 years for you.
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So it's like, it's not a big deal.
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Yeah. Like, so God is saying like,
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look, you may run out of your life, but for me, like I have a
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plan and I'm going to see it through.
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And sometimes we may not understand that plan, right?
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But we just have to take that step back.
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And I think that's what Karbala was about too.
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Like God had a plan and they just carried out God's plan,
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right? Like, who would think that in
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God's plan it would be martyrdom and imprisonment.
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But that martyrdom and imprisonment gave me life today
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as a Shia, you know, gave us life, gave us the opportunity
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to, to, to spread God's message throughout the world, you know,
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and that's because of this tragedy.
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So like, God has this amazing plan and we just have to ride
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the wave, you know, and enjoy it.
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Chef, a question that comes to mind and said and I have
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hamdullah. I've had the honour of sitting
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beside the said for four years now in Ashura.
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And obviously in each Maharam we've we've had amazing
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conversations. And one thing we always want to
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come back to is the revival that Imam Hussein spoke about,
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Slahidi, Nafi, Jeddi, and that kind of concept of, of the
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revival, the spiritual revival, the social revival.
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What, what, what was the Imam intending for us?
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So for example, today we see Karbala has shaken generations
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across the course of history, spiritual or struggling people
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of all dynamics, walks of life and demographics.
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Everyone has found something in Karbala.
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Everyone has gained something in Karbala, whether it's an impact
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on their own life, their morality, the way they interact,
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acts of kindness, whatever it might be.
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Ultimately, we can say that the Imam died for many things, but
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what was the core message of of his mission?
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I mean, the when we look at the core message, so let's just like
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break that down into a couple of different areas.
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When we talk about the core message, we would want to go
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back directly to his words, right?
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And to say, OK, he said This is why I'm rising.
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I'm rising to bring reformation. But let's just pause that for a
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second. He goes back to kind of what you
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were, what you were leading into it with your introduction to
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that question. And that is like, Ashura, is
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this amazing again, like bad language on my part, like
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Buffet. Yeah, where if I feel like this
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thing, I'll get it. If I need that in my life, I'll
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get it. Whatever it is that I need
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that's lacking in my life, I will find it in Karbala.
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Right. And so we could be sitting in a
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modulus and the, the speaker, the scholar, the vodka could be
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reciting something and I could pick up something different.
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And you would pick up something different and you would pick up
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something different. Because that's the beauty of of
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the message and everything is available to us.
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And not only does that take place once next year, I come
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back and if I were to listen to that same mud list again, I
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could pick up something else because my soul at that time
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needs something else, you know what I mean?
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So like honestly, like people tell me and they're being nice
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to me. I appreciate that.
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They're like, oh, it's like you were speaking to me right when I
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was going to give a lecture And I tell them like straight up, I
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was like, honestly, that's a reflection of your heart has
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nothing to do with me. You know what I mean?
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Like, like I speak, that message only lands if the heart's open.
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If the heart's not open, the message is not landing.
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You know, I remember one of our teachers gave this example.
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I'm going to use it soon. But it is an amazing like
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example because he says, like sometimes we blame the speaker
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and we say he didn't, he didn't resonate with me.
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I didn't connect with him. He didn't make me cry.
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We have that lawyer. Yeah, we hear that, right.
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And like as a speaker, like I find that to be problematic, to
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be quite honest, right. But I remember our teacher
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saying that look like you look at Karbala, the best speaker of
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the time was speaking. The most noble speaker was
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speaking. The most the perfect faith
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person was speaking. The whole job.
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Allah, Yeah. Exactly.
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And how many people accepted it? He's like, are you going to
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blame the speaker? Are you going to say Naudibullah
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Hussein bin Ali Ali Salaam didn't do his job?
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No Right. And so oftentimes we put that on
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us. But like, if I come honestly,
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like all of us need to do this, just like come in there to say,
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OK, I have this, this, this imperfection.
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Yeah, Allah, I want to fix these imperfections.
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So I come in there and I come in there with the right intention,
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the right mindset. I want to learn.
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I want to grasp, I want to get better.
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And it's impossible, in my opinion, in my eyes, for us to
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leave that holy sanctuary and not have something that can help
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us in our lives, right? And it's continuous, right?
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It's like we say that the albeit alayhi musalam or Adlal Quran
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right? Like they are the talking,
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walking, explaining the Quran and just the way the Quran has
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levels to it and layers to it. I can read the same Surah twice
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and pick up something else from it.
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Same are the actions of the albeit.
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So in Karbala, I may pick up justice today, next time I come
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back, I may pick up loyalty. The next time I come back I may
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pick up trustworthiness, because those were the qualities.
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And now I need to improve myself.
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This unending university. It really is.
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And that's the baraka that Allah has added into these gatherings,
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you know, So we just have to. It'll never expire, honestly, it
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never expires. It never gets outdated because I
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will always pick up something different.
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That's very right, Chef, you know, saying it like this right
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now. I just reflecting now of the
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last few years. I remember there was like one
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year in my in my head, like when I go to the majority is how
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things I how I process things that are coming down from the
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pulpit. I'm like, OK, the theme for me
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this year is like the loneliness of Imam Hussain, or one year
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it's like the family relationship and the
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relationship he had with his companions.
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And every year it does feel a bit different.
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Last year for me, it was a tornado of Imam Hussain.
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I was seeing a lot of plan of its island, everything Imam
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Hussain done in Karbala. And you're very right.
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Yeah, you're seeing it now. It makes sense.
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Yeah. Yeah, it makes a lot of sense.
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And this is a it's a gift of God.
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That's the only thing I mean. And I think that's the result
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of, of a sincere action. A sincere action never expires.
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You know what I mean? Like if I sincerely dedicate
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something to God, God will make it live.
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You know, if I, if I sincerely give charity, God will make that
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charity live. But you know what it is, Chef,
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if you don't mind me interrupting.
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Yeah, yeah. Just like like you said, there's
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layers. So it's like we understand the
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layers of, in terms of like the, the variety and the diversity
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of, of actions in Karbala and pre and post as well.
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But you gave, for example, the example of, of charity for us as
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individuals. I feel like we need to process
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this and reflect on it because on day one, I might see
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charities. I'm I'm giving to someone in
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need, I'm helping them out. On day 2 I see a deeper and I
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think I'm giving from my own expense.
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And on day three I might see it as submission to our last panel,
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to Allah and to the word of Allah.
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So I'm giving because I'm commanded by my Lord, because He
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has knowledge, just the benefit it will have to me.
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And the more we process the same, even sometimes the same
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points, the deeper we begin to understand it.
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And that's why I think there are people who live to the age of
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100 who mourn this day in and day out.
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And they research and they study and they do poetry and they
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consume information. And they still can never
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understand it because it's, it is the greatest tragedy in
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history, the, the biggest legacy of, of, of all of humanity.
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Because of not just what happened and, and you know, when
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it happened, but also who was martyred and the way in which
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they were martyred and, and the, the sheer disparity between Huck
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and Bath and morality and immorality and good and evil and
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the way in which the Imam embodied not just goodness, but
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godliness. And I think that's something
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which we as his inshallah, we claim to be an Inshallah.
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We live up to the title of being Hosseini Shia.
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If we can really embody that in ourselves, then we are able to
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take something forth to the world, present it as our own
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accolade and a time, like you said, where the world that the
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micro, the microscope is on US. Marco Rubio's talking, we talked
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about last week, Marco Rubio in in Congress is talking about the
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Shia and the eschatology and the Imam and right, we've heard
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these things. So the world is on us.
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Let them look at us. We have nothing to hide, nothing
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to hide. We know we search online about
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Hussein Ibn Ali, Ali Salaam and we'll find nothing but goodness
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and godliness. So it's it is beautiful.
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But I think I feel like the consumption of the message falls
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on us. The responsibility of how we
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consume the message is on us. Yeah, I think I mean like, what
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do you mean consumption? Like, for example, we can either
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leave it at a point where Karbala is just a sad day, a
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mourning day, and we mourn the, the brutality of, of the
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martyrdom, or we can take it a level further.
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You see what I mean? And I think, and I don't want to
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point out, and I don't want to point fingers at any specific
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communities. There are communities that have
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come to mind even in London, but there are communities which
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leave it at the brutality of the martyrdom, the relationship
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between Abu al Abbas Ali Osam and BB Sakina Ali Salaam and
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they, they, they will mourn that for the rest of their life and
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as it should be mourned. But taking it a step further is
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extremely important. Do you see what I mean?
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I hear you. I hear you.
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I think. I think even if the tragedy is
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such like, I'm not disagreeing with you at all, the tragedy is
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such that even if a person never graduates to that deeper level
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of understanding, they will still benefit.
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I don't know if it's sufficient. They will still benefit, right?
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They would get whatever God has decreed for them.
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It was still, it would still have certain benefit to where it
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would still mold their lives a certain way.
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And then the hope is that we graduate.
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We understand that that this was far greater than just a tragedy
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and his tragedy. It was right, But it symbolized
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everything we go through in life.
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It symbolizes choices. It symbolizes decisions, it
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symbolizes knowing who to stand for and who to stand against.
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It symbolizes everything we will need to navigate this life
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successfully like a Hosseini lover would, you know?
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And so yes, I mean, that's what we want, you know.
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And, and I think to be fair, we have today because of platforms
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like yours, the the expansion of knowledge in the English
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language, right? There was a time when we were
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very limited. We as in maybe the Indo Pak
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community, but even like, I think in all communities, the
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way we were delivering and absorbing knowledge was really
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dependent upon one or two people telling us this is how knowledge
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is. And then in the last three or
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two or three decades, like knowledge has expanded to where
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now ignorance is not even a justification or an excuse
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anymore, you know? And that has greatly expanded
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our understanding of Karbala, too, you know?
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And I'm sure it always existed, right?
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But just the access to it wasn't necessarily there.
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And so today at Hamdallah, I think we're at that point where
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we have fantastic scholars who can dissect, who can explain,
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who can inspire. And then we get this better
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understanding that, man, this is not just an event, but it's a
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lifestyle. Yeah, You know what I mean?
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We have to make this a lifestyle.
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And then the more we make it a lifestyle, I do believe God
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would reveal more things to us, make that understanding clearer
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for us. Yeah, like his message, like you
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were talking about his message. I think if we go back to what he
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said, right, like what his statement was, and I'm not
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rising to for for arrogance or for joy or for my own sake,
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right in the Maharaja that I'm rising to bring about a
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reformation. I think this reformation also
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has multi layers to it. So like the end goal, I believe
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in everything that God wants from us is the success of the
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collective. That God is not concerned with
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the success of the individual. God wants the success of the
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community, right? Obviously the community is
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comprised of individuals, but God would rather see as many be
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successful as possible, right? That's why even when we recite
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dua, we recite in the plural all the time.
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Like even when I'm reciting alone, I'm, I'm praying for
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everybody else because Allah Subhanahu and Allah wants the
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success of the whole. And so when Abdullah Alaihi
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Salaam is talking about reformation, it's the, it's a
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communal reformation, right? That as a community we survive,
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but we we become better. But the community can't become
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better if the individuals within that community are not getting
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better, right? So there is this absolute link.
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So like, I'll die alone, my accounting will be alone.
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I'll go to paradise based on my actions, not on your actions.
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Or I'll go to hell based on my actions, not your actions.
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People may tempt me, they'll be held responsible for that act of
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temptation. But I'll get the blame for
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choosing to be tempted or allowing myself to be tempted.
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And so if I as an individual am not reforming, then what God
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really wants in that collective reformation will never happen
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and I'll be held to blame. You know, So I think when we
22:00
look at the Reformation of an ummah, standing up for justice,
22:04
fighting tyranny, doing Amra Bil Maharoof and Nahi Anil Munkar,
22:08
all of these things are things that are tools to bring about a
22:12
nation, a community that is on that divine path and getting
22:18
better every single day. And and not only getting better
22:22
for us, but trying to make the lives of other people better.
22:25
That's how like Imam Hussein Islam did in his whole life,
22:28
right? Like, it's a really cool story
22:30
that gives me goosebumps all the time.
22:32
Yeah. Like I just said, Jabir bin
22:35
Abdullah Al Ansari one day was was walking and he saw an old
22:39
man. Like an old man, like a poor
22:41
man. Yeah.
22:42
Like a poor. Like, he was dressed shabby.
22:44
Whatever. And the man asked, he's like,
22:47
he's like, where are you going? And he said, I'm going to go see
22:49
about Abdullah Ali Salaam. So he says, I wish I could come.
22:53
And so Jabir is like, what's preventing you?
22:54
Let's go. He's like, I'm in no condition.
22:56
He's like, look at me. And so Jabir is like, honestly,
22:59
he won't care. Yeah, let's go.
23:01
And so he went. And you know, like when you come
23:02
to somebody and you're you don't feel like you're deserving, you
23:06
kind of shy a little, right. And so Imam was saying that in
23:09
Salaam, looks at him and he says, come here.
23:12
And the man hesitates. And he says, come the poor sit
23:14
next to the poor. Amazing.
23:17
Yeah. Like, Can you imagine?
23:18
Like, he gives me goosebumps every time I hear that.
23:20
Like, the poor sit next to the poor.
23:23
Imam wasn't even talking about like, obviously like, like
23:26
material poverty for him. But he's like, I'm always going
23:29
to be fuckir to Allah. And you and I are the same.
23:32
You know, the way he cared for people, he nurtured people, the
23:36
way he helped people throughout that journey, even when he was
23:39
in Makkah, like, you know, like people would want his attention,
23:44
but he would give it to the poor, the needy.
23:46
He would give them all the time in the world and then turn his
23:48
attention to other people just to make people feel special,
23:51
right? And so that's the communal
23:53
responsibility that we all have, that if I'm a Shia, I should be
24:00
the person that people turn to whenever they think I need help
24:03
somebody, you know what I mean? Like if I own a shop in a bunch
24:07
of shops, like if somebody needs something, they should be like,
24:09
man, that guy, he'll treat me with respect. that Lady will
24:12
treat me with respect. Why?
24:13
Because I wear that badge proudly.
24:15
Beautiful. But that doesn't happen until
24:19
like I take that individual responsibility.
24:22
Like we, we sometimes take our individual responsibility, I
24:26
think a little lightly, you know?
24:28
I think we keep it to ourselves. Yeah, yeah.
24:31
Like what do you mean like we? As in, you know, speaking about
24:33
the identity and you're wearing that badge of badge of honor.
24:36
We say, you know, it's for us and it benefits us in the day of
24:40
judgement, but we don't share it with others.
24:42
Yeah. And I and I think in many ways
24:44
we are Shia as Hosseini's. We we are in many ways
24:48
ambassadors of the other base. So what we do reflects and gives
24:53
us a good image to the little base, to religion, to Islam, to
24:56
the the Sierra of Rasulullah, Muhammad al Allah, Ali Ali
24:58
Wasallam. I want to go to a point you
25:01
mentioned a bit earlier on. You said, I don't know if we'll
25:03
get into it, but I think it's impossible not to mention the
25:08
the situation of the geopolitical climate current.
25:10
And I want to ask a question because it baffles me.
25:13
I think until today that, you know, as Muslims, not just Shia,
25:17
as the Muslim Ummah, for example, we share so many things
25:20
in common. We share the values and the
25:23
principles of Rasool Allah. We share Inshallah, many ways,
25:26
the teachings of the Quran. And, and beyond all of these
25:29
things, right beyond the sectarianism, beyond the
25:31
differences, there are things when it comes to justice.
25:35
There are things when it comes to standing on the right side of
25:38
history. There are things when it comes
25:39
to humanity. There are things when looking
25:41
after those who are oppressed. Why is it the Shia rise is
25:45
people always just say it's because Imam Hussein took a
25:47
stand? Is it really just because Imam
25:50
Hussein took a stand in Karbala that we are inspired by this
25:53
that we only see in my day and age, only the Shia stand up and
25:57
say something at the very minimum.
26:00
Why? Yeah, I'll hamdallah for it
26:04
though, you know what I mean? Like I'll hamdallah for.
26:06
It like. We're that we're that mud hub
26:08
that when someone is being oppressed, we don't first look
26:12
to see like which mud hub are you following?
26:14
And I find that like super hypocritical that like somebody
26:17
will support one person and then that same oppressor will oppress
26:20
somebody else and we won't support that.
26:22
And I find that problematic. I think Hussain bin Ali, Ali,
26:26
Elihima Salaam have a huge reason why they through the
26:30
teachings of Imam Ali, you know, Imam Ali, like when he
26:32
established the level of justice that he did in Kufa and that
26:36
then trickled down to actually it being demonstrated in Karbala
26:40
that there's a right way to live and a wrong way to live.
26:43
There's a right way to stand up and a wrong way to stand up.
26:46
And there's, there's this responsibility.
26:49
And so I think it is part of our, our teachings.
26:53
It's part of how God wants us to to live this life and how to
26:59
live in this world where my success alone is not enough
27:06
unless I'm trying to make other people successful, right?
27:09
This level of self sacrifice isa willing to put myself into
27:13
difficulty for the comfort of other people.
27:16
All of these things are part of our Akhlakhi teachings, the idea
27:22
of standing up against in a tyranny, like it's a theological
27:26
point associated with our Dalit and all of these other points.
27:29
So I do think like Karbala is, is one of the main reasons why
27:36
we do this. And I think I mean,
27:40
realistically speaking, right? So let me just like backtrack on
27:42
myself, like. Really, I want sorry to
27:44
introduction. No, because I see like when
27:45
Imam, when Imam was here and Islam took that stand.
27:48
It wasn't just for the Shia, correct?
27:50
Yeah, it was for the Om war, correct?
27:51
For the entire Muslim war. Yeah.
27:52
So I'm backtracking. You make a good point, right.
27:55
So like, I think if I were to backtrack, I would say these are
27:58
Islamic concepts. These are not a Shia concept.
28:01
Yeah, right. You know what I mean?
28:02
So these are absolutely. It's universal.
28:04
Yeah, it's universal, but I think we as Shia gain our
28:08
courage from Karbala. Others don't have an example
28:13
like this where they wholeheartedly believe that
28:20
martyrdom is nothing to be afraid of.
28:22
Yeah, martyrdom is a badge of honor, you know, and the other
28:25
mother I have don't have that. And they may have one or two
28:28
trickle down examples of that, but not the way we have it.
28:31
So yeah, I think you're right. It's an absolutely religious
28:34
concept, Islamic concept that these are things we are expected
28:38
to do. But when you lack the example
28:41
for it, I think you don't have necessarily the same level of
28:45
courage to do it, you know? So yeah, I think Karbala gives
28:48
us that that boost that motivation to carry out these
28:53
type of actions. If I can add one or two things
28:58
and ask as well. So I completely agree with
29:01
everything you've mentioned. And I think that that we are now
29:04
at a time, like you said, where we carry ourselves.
29:09
You know, we have to be very careful how we tread in the
29:12
day-to-day world we live in because we are I think now more
29:15
than ever more vocal and visible ambassadors of the Imam Ali
29:19
Saddam than we've ever been as a community.
29:22
We're in the spotlight. And I think in the last 5-6
29:24
generations, we've seen that specifically more than ever in
29:27
history since Karbala. I think the Shia are more known
29:29
now as a mud hub, as a voice, as a group of people who have a
29:34
certain specific identity. And especially to the lay
29:37
people. Yeah, of course they, we are
29:39
woven with Imam Hussein when you do, you know what I mean.
29:43
And that is amazing. Our identity is woven in the
29:46
fabric of Karbalana and vice versa.
29:49
And inshallah we can live up to that's a big pressure, but it's
29:52
a beautiful blessing. Now.
29:54
Well, you know, a lot of Al Majalis generally, and this is a
29:58
question I have because there's not always we have the honor of
30:01
of sitting with someone who is able to speak to thousands year
30:05
in, year out. And who's doing that after, I
30:08
presume a lot of research and reflection and introspection as
30:12
to who you're speaking to, the needs of the people and the
30:16
communities you're speaking to. We hear a lot about the morality
30:20
that we witness in Karbala. We hear a lot about the
30:22
historical accuracies and and inaccuracies and kind of what
30:26
took place and what didn't. One thing which we maybe don't
30:30
hear enough of, in my humble opinion, is the spirituality of
30:33
Imam Hussein Alayhi Salaam, his dorid, his Mahnafar of of Allah
30:37
spawn to Allah his own Iman and yabeen.
30:40
You talked about you thought and I know you mentioned it in your
30:42
lectures a few nights ago and the deep level of submission,
30:46
the taslim that the Imam had. Now there are people who are
30:51
attending Majalis like every year, perhaps like myself, who
30:55
are going to Majalis and who are maybe in a spiritual struggle,
30:59
an uphill battle with themselves, with their own
31:01
naffs, with their own desires and their own inefficiencies and
31:05
blemishes on their soul. What about Karbala, especially
31:09
now in the build up to Ashura, can we take and apply to our
31:13
spiritual struggle? You mentioned something a few
31:16
nights ago where you talked about spirituality not being
31:19
material. And if you don't mind me kind of
31:21
paraphrasing the obviously you, you said it so you can probably
31:23
correct me. But spirituality not being
31:26
something which you gave the example of a tingle in your
31:29
soul, whereas, for example, the volunteers outside they, they're
31:33
experiencing spiritualities through their hidma, right?
31:37
And how spirituality is not material and it's kind of
31:39
transcendental and therefore can be experienced in different
31:42
ways. But what can we gain from a
31:43
spiritual level? And for those of us who are on a
31:45
spiritual struggle, how can we use this precious blessed time
31:49
of year, which we don't know if we will see again, to kind of
31:53
move forward and and gain motivation?
31:58
I mean, that's a solid question, right?
31:59
Like I find it a bit difficult to like to split these concepts
32:06
up into its own area to say that this is like a spiritual
32:11
component, this is a theological component, this is an ethical
32:15
component. I really think these all go hand
32:18
in hand with each other. And so I would like to think
32:21
that when we make this journey or when a, when a scholar or a
32:25
speaker is talking even about God, that can be practically
32:29
applied into your spirituality, into your ethics.
32:32
When he's talking about ethics, that morality is driven by a
32:35
divine centric system. And so that also connects into
32:38
theology and it connects into your spirituality because that
32:41
ethic will make you more wholesome, right?
32:43
So they're all connected in that way.
32:46
I think it goes back to this, this notion that when I live my
32:52
life, what is the framework with which I, I govern my life,
33:00
right? Is it through the norms and the
33:04
standards that are prescribed for me by my culture?
33:08
Is it the norms and the standards that are prescribed
33:11
for me by where I live? So they'll tell me this is the
33:14
way to dress. This is the way to talk.
33:16
This is the way to to do things. Or do I consider the framework
33:22
as something which is divinely appointed?
33:26
You know what I mean? So like we don't believe in this
33:31
concept of like ethical relativism, right?
33:33
Like where today something may be good and it's quite possible
33:39
that 30 years ago that same thing was bad.
33:42
We already see this in the world that we live in, without having
33:45
to go to any examples, certain lifestyles, etcetera were in a
33:50
societal perspective considered to be a taboo and now we see
33:54
these things to be accepted. Today in Islam, we don't believe
33:59
that ethics is relative. We thinks ethics.
34:01
We think that ethics is a divine construct.
34:05
And so when I can accept the fact that there is this actual
34:09
way that God wants me to live this world, that is a framework
34:17
that is based on divine principles.
34:20
And if it is a, if it is a format or sorry, if it's the
34:25
framework based on divine principles, then that will never
34:28
change. It doesn't matter if that means
34:31
it was true 600 years ago, it was true in Karbala and it's
34:36
true today. We are following the same frame.
34:39
Like if you think about it from that way, it's pretty cool,
34:40
right? Like so the framework that I'm
34:42
following is the same exact framework that Imam Hussein
34:46
followed. And so if we accept number one,
34:49
that there is this framework that I have to live by because I
34:52
because I submit to the fact that this framework is divinely
34:57
constructed, then when I look at Karbala in the statement that we
35:01
always recite, and then that is deep, right?
35:04
Like when Walid bin Utba told Imam Hussein to give baea to
35:09
Yazeed and he describes and he goes into this, it's really
35:12
amazing speech where he says, yeah, you halamir in nahala
35:15
baita nubua Omaha de no rasala. What mohtala full Malaika that
35:20
we are that house like of the Prophet where angels came, the
35:24
kitab came, Bina fatahallah or bina khatamallah.
35:28
That's such a gangster statement, man.
35:30
That's such a gangster statement, I swear, right?
35:32
I said by us, God started everything and he'll finish
35:35
everything through US, right? And then he says Yazid Rajolun
35:38
Fasik and he goes to the description of Yazid.
35:40
But then he makes the statement, right?
35:42
Like mithlila ubaya amithlah. And like that statement is like
35:48
literally profound, right? Because until today, because he
35:52
doesn't say Hussein bin Ali, La Ubaya, Yazid bin Maharia.
35:56
If Allahi had said that then they would have said it's a
35:59
historical event like. You said a man like.
36:01
Me, yeah, People like me don't give Bega to people and so who
36:05
are the people like him, right, The favorite, yeah, yeah, yeah.
36:10
The people like him are people who accept that there's an
36:12
ethical framework. Yeah.
36:15
And so. Makes sense, yeah.
36:16
Right. And anybody who doesn't accept
36:18
that ethical framework and believes that they govern their
36:22
own ethics, society describes ethics, morality I based on what
36:27
I want to do. That's my morality and ethics.
36:30
Now we have to tread carefully because that's the other
36:32
missile. Yeah, that's the other example
36:34
of somebody who Hussein says they are not with me, I'm not
36:37
with them. Right.
36:38
It's completely true. And so, huh, it's a.
36:41
Filter absolutely see but this or that you choose.
36:44
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's been true in the year
36:47
610, it's been true in the year 1610.
36:50
And it's, it's true like 2025, it's still true that the same
36:55
framework exists for us today. And that framework governs every
36:59
aspect of our lives. And also like when you and you
37:01
ask that question, like spirituality, I think it really
37:05
starts with first and foremost accepting the divine framework.
37:10
I truly believe that God in his infinite wisdom has created for
37:15
us a structure that he's tells me this is how you will be
37:20
successful because he cares for us.
37:22
You know, like when you go to IKEA and you buy something,
37:26
right? And they give you this like 150
37:29
piece like thing and then they give you instructions.
37:32
If they hadn't given you the instructions, none of us would
37:34
build any IKEA product, right? God's given us the instructions
37:37
to life, right? He has.
37:39
And he says this is where you need to be if you want to be
37:42
successful in life. For me to rise in spirituality.
37:47
I think the reason honest to God we struggle is because, like, I
37:52
haven't. It's hard for me to accept that
37:55
that's where I have to be, especially when everything
37:59
around me is pointing at a different direction.
38:03
Is it fair to say that distractions.
38:06
Distractions. It may be, it may be, but it's,
38:10
it's a distraction that is taking me somewhere like it's a
38:14
distraction that's real. You know what I mean?
38:17
So it's not just like a fake distraction, it's actually
38:20
materially tangible, right? Like like simple choices like go
38:25
to the Christmas party, yeah, there'll be music, yeah,
38:27
there'll be alcohol, but you might get a promotion.
38:30
Now, if I look at that divine framework and God says, look, I
38:33
don't like you to be in those type of gatherings, trust me,
38:36
you don't have to do that to be successful.
38:38
But then I see like, oh, man, I'm not going to get a raise
38:41
that way. So I mean, yes, it's a
38:42
distraction, but it's real. It's a real struggle.
38:46
And I think if I haven't accepted that God is worthy of
38:51
submission, and I kind of, I talked about that too, like a
38:54
few nights ago, like one of the first things we have to do to
38:58
become a free servant of God, you know, is I have to consider
39:04
God worthy of submission. Like I have to like if I don't
39:07
consider God worthy of submission then I won't submit
39:09
to him. I mean, that's point A, Yeah.
39:11
Like you don't know where to start then?
39:13
Yeah. And so the spirituality, your
39:15
question, like it starts with these frameworks, understanding
39:18
that it comes from God. And then if I can accept that,
39:21
then yeah, then yes. Will it be a struggle to stay in
39:24
there? I think so, because life is a
39:26
struggle. Like I'm going to be tempted.
39:28
Like Shaitaan doesn't tempt people who we've already gone to
39:31
the. Other yeah, yeah.
39:33
He's coming after us, of course, you know what I mean?
39:35
Like since he's just, and I think what Shaitan does, like if
39:38
I can use that word brilliantly, Shaitan just throws darts, you
39:41
know what I mean? And he hopes something sticks.
39:43
And so he's just throwing, throwing, throwing.
39:45
And one thing I'll be like, oh, but I could get a head this way,
39:48
you know, I got him. And then he'll pursue it.
39:51
Yeah, yeah. And that's how he then he he
39:53
attacks us. What a way of looking at it.
39:55
Yeah, I mean, I'd. Never thought of it like that.
39:57
That's true. The whole journey like of of so
40:01
like I don't consider spirituality, theology, all of
40:04
these things really like disconnected from one another.
40:08
I think I remember our teacher always saying like, if you find
40:13
any deficiency in your life, any deficiency in your life, it
40:17
points back to your lack of understanding of God as great
40:20
like has better. So like if you sin it's it's a
40:24
direct. It's telling you doesn't mean
40:27
you're a bad person, right? So I don't want it to think like
40:29
that, but it just tells you that your understanding of God is not
40:33
as strong yet because if you truly believed God is God, man,
40:38
I would never sin against that God, right?
40:40
And so we need to be super in tune with our souls, super in
40:46
tune with our decisions, super in tune with our choices and
40:51
realize that everything points towards something.
40:56
Nothing is arbitrary, right? Like everything is, is is
41:00
pointing towards a direction either that I have an I have an
41:04
OK relationship with God or that my relationship with God is not
41:08
as strong as it should be. I think we're sometimes afraid
41:11
to draw that connecting dot because maybe you'll point out
41:15
something that I don't want to know.
41:18
Nothing is nothing means I'm a bad person.
41:22
You know, I always believe that we should ask Allah Subhanahu at
41:26
Allah to show us our deficiencies now before he
41:30
reveals them in the hereafter, right?
41:32
And so in this world, if God shows me the, hey, Jaffer,
41:37
you're not there yet, I should say al Hamdulillah.
41:40
I should really say al Hamdulillah because that means
41:43
he's telling me change now, right?
41:46
As opposed to like me thinking I am on the right path.
41:49
And then later I find out that, man, I was kind of wrong in what
41:52
I was doing, you know? Yeah.
41:56
Beautiful, beautiful advice. And I think it's an amazing
41:58
blueprint examples that you gave, how we should live our
42:01
lives to build on that spirituality.
42:03
And just speaking about spirituality, like I, I never
42:07
really understood the connection about Abdullah Hussein had with
42:11
Allah Azza Wajal only until many years recently.
42:14
And this is something new to me. I knew he took a stand and
42:16
everything, but what made it easy for Imam Hussein was that
42:19
he relied on Allah and he knew God was with him in every step
42:23
he took from, from from Mecca leaving Hajj all the way until
42:27
he reached Karbala. So he had God with him.
42:29
He was God centric. And I think this is something we
42:31
can learn from. You know, like, sorry to catch
42:33
you, LA. La Schefner, please.
42:34
Say like in Surrey Toba verse #11 Allah says in Allah
42:39
hashtaram in al Mahminina and Fusa Humwa amwa Lahumbi and
42:43
Allahumu Jannah that Allah has purchased the souls and the and
42:48
the and the possessions of the believers in exchange for
42:51
paradise. I think this verse Imam al
42:55
Hussein is the perfect definition of it, right?
42:59
Like, you know, like God is not saying I want to purchase your
43:02
soul. God is saying I purchased it.
43:04
If I claim to be a believer, then my soul is gone.
43:07
It's purchased. And what made Imam al Hussain do
43:11
what he did is because he said Kabil to to this transaction.
43:15
He said I accept it. You're my soul is not mine.
43:18
Yeah, my soul is not mine. My family is not mine.
43:21
My wealth is not mine. And that's why Imam Sajjad Al
43:24
Isa. I mean, when one of the
43:25
mucktails we have, he said that on the day of Ashura, when
43:29
things began to get more and more intense, the companions
43:32
looked at Imam Hussein and saw that he was in a different
43:35
condition than he they were. He said they would still have
43:38
their hearts beating faster and their shoulders would tremble.
43:41
But he said Hussein would get calmer.
43:44
Yeah, his his face would glow. And.
43:47
And they said, man, he's on another level altogether.
43:49
Right. And why?
43:51
Because he submitted to that. And I and honestly, to come back
43:53
to us, like for some reason, like in my mind, I think this is
43:58
still my life, this is still my choice.
44:00
And God is saying, man, no, I already bought it, don't fight
44:03
it, right? And so the more we just leave it
44:05
to him and say, I accept it. And, and this understanding,
44:09
like one of my favorite verses of the Quran nowadays is that
44:15
whatever is with God is better and more lasting, right?
44:19
Like for us to navigate this world the way about Abdullah
44:24
Alaihi Salaam teaches us and the way the family teaches us and
44:27
the companions teach us in a manner where I don't feel like
44:32
I'm missing out on things is by firmly believing that what is
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with God is better. You know what I mean?
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I'm going to give this example in one of my last lectures, but
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I think my time just comes out there.
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I might have done it already, but like, I like, like one day I
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called my brother. My brothers live in two
44:52
different cities, but one had visited the other.
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And so I was, I was like, I feeling left out, you know what
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I mean? So I was calling them, like,
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feeling like jealous or whatever, like positive
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jealousy. So I called them.
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I was like, what's for lunch today, you know?
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And so my brother was like, oh, we're skipping lunch.
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And I was like, why? He's like, oh, big dinner
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planned, Right? And I just laughed.
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I was like, that's cool. But then I thought about that.
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And that's how we're supposed to live this world.
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There's this chance for me to go to prom.
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No, I leave that. Something better is waiting for
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God. Yeah.
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There's a chance to make a shady business deal, become wealthy.
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I'll leave that. Whatever with is with God is
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better, is longer lasting. And so we have to convince
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ourselves that when I see these things happening in my world
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that are tempting, that may give me peace, may give me happiness
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temporarily, whatever is with God is better, right?
45:41
And so when Imam Hussein knew all of these factors and
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submission became a joy, it became a joy to him, you know,
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And I, I hope we can taste even a little bit of that, you know
45:52
what I mean? Yeah.
45:54
Last a last question from me. Of course we are obviously in
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the build up to the night of our Shura and a time which is
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extremely heavy for the Mutt Meneen.
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But beyond all the mutt Meneen, it's more so a time which is
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grievous for the awaited Imam of our time.
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Mom, So I have a Ziman Sharif. What is what is the condition of
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our Imam at the moment and how can we make him proud of us?
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I think that's something which I want to ask how can we be worthy
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of him? Obviously in the way art.
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We read about the potential, the whole of our awaited Imam on
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these nights, on the night of Ashura in Mecca and Inshallah we
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pray, if not this year, then Shallah next year.
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But some point we want to be worthy of standing behind the
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Imam, beside the Imam, when he says that I'm here to avenge the
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blood of my grandfather, right? He.
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Was like thirsty. I'm calling out Hussain.
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What does that mean in a real sense, especially when we're
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talking about the awaited Imam? Yeah.
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I mean, that's like a it's. A long.
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It's a bad question, you know what I mean?
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And I think it's, it's, it's a good question.
47:09
It's a worthy question of reflection.
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So like, I think when when he says that I am, I will come to
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avenge the blood of Hussain Ali Salaam.
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Like obviously we can look at it.
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We can look at that as as like a real thing in the sense like
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he's going to come and avenge the blood of the Sufjanis and
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the, and the, and the Banu Maias and stuff and then those people,
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right? And sure, if that, if that is
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what it comes out to, it wouldn't be, it wouldn't be
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surprising, nor would it be incorrect.
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That's what he said he would do. But I also think it goes back to
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the statement of Imam Hussein al Islam when he says people like
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me and systems that say there is a system that's accepted and a
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system that's not accepted, there's a way of life that's
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accepted and a way of life that's not accepted.
47:58
Imam was saying Imam, the 12th Imam is coming to fight that
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system too. You know what I mean?
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And so it's that the people like Hussein who stand up for
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justice, who live with and within that divine framework,
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and the people like Yazid who live by a different framework
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and those, you know, like there's one framework and then
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there are like exponential number of frameworks.
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So it's not just like one and one, right?
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But anyone not in the the divine framework is not part of the the
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example of Hussein Alice or the other party of Hussein.
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And so I think in a way that Imam is coming back to lead
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these people who are within that framework that God has created.
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And so I think for us, the first thing is we need to make sure
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we're in that framework. Yeah.
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Otherwise he's coming to fight us, you know what I mean?
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So like, we need to make sure we're not on that the other side
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of it, right? And so I think that should be
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our primary goal, like looking daily in our lives to say like,
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OK, am I fulfilling the responsibility that I have right
49:06
now on a day-to-day basis? I think that's one of the things
49:10
that we have to be really mindful of at all times.
49:13
Like, I don't think we need as a as a whole, I don't believe we
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need major, major tweaks in our lives.
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We just like, you know, like major changes.
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I don't think we're there like we're.
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One step at a time. Yeah, one step at a time.
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No need to overcorrect small tweaks.
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And inshallah we will be right where we need to because we have
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like we were just like calculate like if we were to go down like
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we have 90% of the things. We're generally on.
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The right track, we're generally on the right track.
49:42
We just, we just make a couple mistakes here, a couple mistakes
49:45
there. Are there fringes?
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Yeah, of course there are people who are more fringe related,
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right. And so I think part of that
49:53
responsibility, I said, is that just to make enough tweaks in
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our lives. I know like I've been debating
49:59
this question a lot and I had like, I think I have an answer,
50:03
but like, do we need the Imam or do we want the Imam, right?
50:07
Like there's a huge difference between that those two
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questions. It's really worthy of debate.
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I debated this for like months in my head, you know, like, do
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we need him back or do we want him back?
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And which one is superior, right?
50:24
So maybe we can ask, I don't know if you guys.
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Have to tell what I would say. Yeah, like what is like?
50:30
So what are needs, right? Needs are like air, Need is like
50:34
water, need is God. Maybe we need God, right?
50:39
Or do we want God? And I see now if I put it as
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God, the want sounds better, doesn't it right.
50:46
Like because if you think about it like, need is something that
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you have to have a. Society of.
50:52
Want is something that you desire for.
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OK so like do I say I need to pray or I want to pray?
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I think one in this regard obviously might take present.
51:03
Yeah, right. Like, so like when you look at
51:06
it like I think when it comes to material things, needs are
51:09
important, right? But when it comes to spiritual
51:12
things, wants are better, right? Because want means I'm willing
51:15
to put aside my desire for that. And it just sounds more
51:19
beautiful. Like I want to pray, I want to
51:21
wear hijab, I want to go to mosque as opposed to saying I
51:25
need to pray, I need to fast, I need to do these things.
51:28
And so when it comes to the Imam, I think we have to develop
51:32
a want for him, you know, And so I think part of that
51:36
responsibility that I have in my life is like, where is there a
51:39
deficiency in my life where the Imam can come and fill a hole
51:42
and, and, and fill it and take me?
51:45
And if I genuinely can't find that, like, I think that's,
51:48
that's that should shock my system to be like, then where do
51:51
I use the Imam in my life? You know, So I think all of
51:54
these things are absolutely connected.
51:56
And like, so when we look at Karbala and what Imam stood for,
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I think the 12th Imam is going to stand for the same, right?
52:04
But I think that Imam, obviously he's waiting for God's
52:07
permission, but he also wants to be wanted, not just the constant
52:11
dua for him to we need you, but he wants us as his believers to
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feel a gap in a hole in our lives where we want him to come
52:21
and feel it, not just a need for it.
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And I think if we can develop those things and when, sha
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Allah, it happens soon. Sha Allah, we Allah, we Allah
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hasten his reappearance brought us marafa now Iman.
52:34
Because you're right, you know, saying as lip service is just
52:37
one thing, but when it comes from the heart, it makes it
52:39
makes that huge. Difference, Yeah.
52:41
Thank you so much. Allah bless you and Sha Allah
52:44
allow us to continue to serve together and may allow you to
52:48
continue serving. I mean.
52:49
The Oma for as long as you live, in sha Allah.
52:51
May He bless the both of you and your team who are feeling, who
52:58
are, who are filling a good space where it reaches many
53:03
people who this is the way they think that they gain their
53:07
information. You know, who did they gain
53:09
their guidance from? And so may Allah give you lots
53:11
of success. May He allow you to reach more
53:14
people, and may He keep you both humble forever and Shallah.
53:19
It's very kind of you appreciate that.
53:22
Just before we end, I wanted to mention something which I wanted
53:27
to share with you on the day I just came to my memory Now I was
53:32
Imaginus and I came across a brother and he said he's been
53:37
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And he said he's been listening to Arthur for three years.
53:55
At the same time, he has a sibling who has severe autism
54:01
and his brother's unable to understand, unable to, you know,
54:07
be in a normal educational environment, unable to have one
54:09
to one sessions, you know, with teachers and professionals in
54:12
the field that deal with special needs and things like this.
54:14
But he was like, what the podcast he listens.
54:19
He he, he, he recently and and I, I kept telling him, Are you
54:23
sure? Like I know what autism is.
54:25
I know how is I know people who are there.
54:27
But he said he was telling me every single time we put the
54:30
family, they put aftermath the podcast on for him.
54:32
He speaks about Imam and Mehdi. He talks about Amir al Mahmani
54:36
and he listened to our episode recently with brother Muhammad
54:39
Ali that released in the first of Muharram.
54:41
And he was like, now he's talking about man Hussein when
54:43
he's never talked about him in his entire life.
54:45
So this was something that really until now, until now, I'm
54:49
like a handle or this opportunity.
54:51
So I just thought I'd share that with the team and inshallah no.
54:53
Andala, it's been Yeah, lovely. The.
54:55
Brothers behind the scenes as well, of course.
54:57
Of course, the whole team and it's been nice because we hear
55:01
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55:33
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55:41
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55:44
a thirst and a need for that. But can I just interject here
55:47
for a second too? Yeah, Like, I know that it's
55:51
going to be like right around Ashura.
55:54
And so inshallah, hopefully people hear this before Ashura.
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I think it's really important, like our, our day of Ashura
56:06
should not be like any other day.
56:08
You know what I mean? Like we need to make a conscious
56:13
effort to feel the grief on that day.
56:17
We need to make a conscious effort to not engage in, in any
56:21
banter, any conversations, in anything that that makes us
56:27
forget that is the day, of course, you know, and that's
56:30
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56:32
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56:37
figure out a way of, of crafting a day where they remain in that
56:41
morning, you know, So inshallah they can do that.
56:44
That's a very, very important reminder for us all.
56:46
And inshallah we can can continue continue to to to serve
56:50
on this mission inshallah. But sisters, thank you so much
56:53
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Please remember us into our and inshallah we prove all your
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tears, all your your mourning and your commemoration are
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