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IAAI Town Meeting: Justice for Lindsay (Season 5 E2 “A Messenger, Nothing More”) · I Am All In with Scott Patterson

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Speaker 1: I am all in.
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Speaker 2: Again!
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Speaker 1: Gilmore Girls Gazette with Amy Sugarman and Danielle Romo. An
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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio podcast.
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Speaker 2: Hey guys, welcome back to another episode of I'm All
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Speaker 2: In Town Meeting with myself, Tara, and Suzanne. hello hi
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Speaker 2: today we're talking about season five episode two a messenger
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Speaker 2: nothing more which aired on september 28th 2004 a messenger
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Speaker 2: and nothing more is correct yes yeah basically is okay
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Speaker 2: i guess we'll just start from the beginning and i
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Speaker 2: noticed something in the first scene that i probably maybe
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Speaker 2: didn't pay attention to before okay did luke's diner have
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Speaker 2: new menus.
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Speaker 1: Oh i don't know.
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Speaker 2: The coffee cup on the menu is blue instead of
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Speaker 2: his normal yellow.
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Speaker 1: Interesting. Okay.
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Speaker 2: And then I was like, well, this is definitely something
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Speaker 2: that Suzanne pays more attention to than me. So maybe
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Speaker 2: that menu's been there before. But I was like, and
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Speaker 2: it looked pretty like clean and fresh. And I was like,
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Speaker 2: did Luke get new menus for season five?
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Speaker 1: Maybe he did, although he's been gone for seven weeks
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Speaker 1: at the Renaissance Fair.
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Speaker 2: But Caesar has been taking over.
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Speaker 1: I was going to say, maybe Caesar did a switcheroo.
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Speaker 1: That's a good question. I was too busy noticing that
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Speaker 1: the cash register was gone to notice the menus.
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Speaker 2: Did not notice that. I noticed the fries, the steak
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Speaker 2: cut fries.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, those looked good.
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Speaker 2: I was going to say, I was really hungry when
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Speaker 2: watching this, and I was like, I want fries. No,
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Speaker 2: I noticed the menu... obviously the postcards which Rory had
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Speaker 2: a lot of time to send postcards apparently.
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Speaker 1: She really did it was like one every day practically.
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Speaker 2: She was gone it was what six weeks she was
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Speaker 2: gone seven I think.
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Speaker 1: So yeah because it was about she left around the
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Speaker 1: same time that Luke did and they say later in
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Speaker 1: the episode that Luke's been gone for seven weeks so
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Speaker 1: I think she was gone most of the summer.
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Speaker 2: Like two a week yeah you try nothing else to
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Speaker 2: do Emily was on her butt the whole time She
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Speaker 2: wanted to go for two seconds and she couldn't. I know. Honestly, though,
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Speaker 2: going on a European trip with Emily, the only part
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Speaker 2: that sounds nice is the luxury of where you're staying.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Like the best of the best. You have like a butler.
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Speaker 1: Right, right. You have the concierge doing everything that you need.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. But she's trapped otherwise.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty much. All right.
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Speaker 2: What topic should we tackle first? Oh, wait, I have
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Speaker 2: one other call out. I don't know if you noticed it. What?
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Speaker 2: Did you notice the Hanson sodas back?
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Speaker 1: Yes. I did.
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Speaker 2: I had that and I highlighted it. I got so
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Speaker 2: excited to see it. And it was like not fully
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Speaker 2: showing Hanson's, but it was turned a little bit when
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Speaker 2: she gets home and she's in the kitchen. And also,
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Speaker 2: what's the name of the cookie jar?
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Speaker 1: Oh, Maxine.
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Speaker 2: Maxine was being blocked by a flower pot.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I didn't even notice the flower pot. I did
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Speaker 1: notice the Hanson's. And there were two, like she had
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Speaker 1: one in her hand, but then later there were two
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Speaker 1: on the table.
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Speaker 2: On the table, yeah.
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Speaker 1: Maybe Lorelai had opened one too or something, yeah. But
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Speaker 1: you know, I did not see a clown pillow in
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Speaker 1: this episode.
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Speaker 2: I didn't either.
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Speaker 1: I kept waiting because they were in the living room.
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Speaker 1: So I kept waiting to see it.
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Speaker 2: Well, I didn't see it. And then I was like,
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Speaker 2: I may have blinked and Suzanne caught it. But now
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Speaker 2: I know you didn't catch it. I was like, there
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Speaker 2: was no clown pillow.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I did not see it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but, and really quick, I know we were talking about, oh, wait,
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Speaker 2: hold on. We have a note from Jackie. One of
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Speaker 2: the girls Zach brings into the diner is Erin Foster.
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Speaker 1: I don't know who that is. Am I supposed to
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Speaker 1: know who that is? You know me. I don't know, like,
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Speaker 1: any contemporary people.
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Speaker 2: I am literally blanking on, yes, thank you, Jackie. I
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Speaker 2: was like, what is the name of the show? She
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Speaker 2: created the show with Adam Brody, Nobody Wants Us.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: Oh, God.
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Speaker 1: Okay. And I watched the first season of that. Okay. Oh,
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Speaker 1: that's pretty cool.
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Speaker 2: I didn't know it was her. Which, speaking of who's who,
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Speaker 2: were those kids that Michelle was babysitting like anyone that
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Speaker 2: we know now? I forgot to look it up.
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Speaker 1: I meant to look it up, too, and I.
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Speaker 2: I didn't recognize them, so I was saying no.
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Speaker 1: On my TV, when you, like, hover over it, it, like,
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Speaker 1: pops up the actor, and the IMDb picture for the kid,
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Speaker 1: the boy, was a picture of him, like, as a boy,
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Speaker 1: so I.
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Speaker 2: Don't think he grew up... Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Like, if he was still significant, then he would have
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Speaker 1: an adult picture.
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Speaker 2: Well, usually, like, a lot of the kids from the show, we've, like,
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Speaker 2: they've grown up to be someone, and, like, I didn't
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Speaker 2: recognize either of them. Like we saw, um, God, we
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Speaker 2: had a couple, there was like, there was like, um,
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Speaker 2: Kendall from big time rush. There was a couple, uh,
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Speaker 2: Victoria justice. Like we've had, we've had a couple, but yeah, I, yeah,
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Speaker 2: I was like, I don't know. But also I know we,
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Speaker 2: right before we started, you mentioned the kids that you're like,
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Speaker 2: who just leaves their kids with the front desk guy,
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Speaker 2: but they probably just didn't want to take care of
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Speaker 2: their own kids.
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Speaker 1: Well, and I was shocked that Laurel, I was like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: they can stay here. There's plenty of people for them
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Speaker 1: to hang out with. I'm like, no one running any
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Speaker 1: kind of business would say, yeah, leave your kids here
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Speaker 1: and we'll watch them for you.
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Speaker 2: I will be responsible for your children.
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Speaker 1: That's never happening.
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Speaker 2: No, but I will say, I think she did it
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Speaker 2: because they like Michelle and she wanted to bother Michelle.
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Speaker 1: Well, and she wants them to be happy because she wants,
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Speaker 1: she tells Michelle, she wants them to go tell their
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Speaker 1: friends what a great place this is. So she probably
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Speaker 1: would have given them anything that they wanted because she
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Speaker 1: wants them to be happy customers. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: But still very odd.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, that was definitely a moment like, I don't know. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Also just to jump, I know we're jumping around, but the, the,
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Speaker 2: fight between Lorelai and Rory I know it's this doesn't
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Speaker 2: even compare to what we will be getting spoiler alert
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Speaker 2: when they're actually in a bigger fight but it's just
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Speaker 2: so like I don't know it just bothers me and
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Speaker 2: I don't know like I can't pinpoint which part of
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Speaker 2: it bothers me they just annoy me when they're fighting
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Speaker 2: because they're like not real fighting do you know what
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Speaker 2: I mean like they're just annoyed to speak to each
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Speaker 2: other yeah.
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Speaker 1: I mean, this one, I get it. Rory was clearly
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Speaker 1: in the wrong.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't even like it was a difference of opinion.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. It's not like, you know, they both were coming
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Speaker 1: from an equally valid place. Rory was in the wrong
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Speaker 1: and she needed to realize that and so I get
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Speaker 1: it from Lorelai's standpoint because she's also super busy with
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Speaker 1: the inn and so she's like okay you're gonna be
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Speaker 1: a brat like I'm not even gonna.
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Speaker 3: Deal with you right yeah go to Europe it's fine
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Speaker 3: yeah exactly yeah but I mean it turned out to
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Speaker 3: be what Rory needed like she needed some distance and
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Speaker 3: some perspective and to write a letter Right.
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Speaker 1: And like we talked about last time, like she's realized that,
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Speaker 1: you know, Dean probably was misleading her about his relationship
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Speaker 1: with Lindsay being over. So I think it was it
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Speaker 1: was good for her to go away. And yeah, the
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Speaker 1: letter was the letter was.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the letter.
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, she was going to be home in
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Speaker 1: two days, so she could have.
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Speaker 2: I think she but she's Laurel, not Lorelai. Rory is
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Speaker 2: not someone who likes confrontation. So I think it was
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Speaker 2: kind of a rip the band-aid before she gets there.
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Speaker 2: So once she's back, it's like over. She doesn't have
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Speaker 2: to deal with it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I bet you my guess is because she spent 90%
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Speaker 2: of her trip writing between postcards and this letter.
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Speaker 1: You know, that's a good point because it made me
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Speaker 1: think of when Jess crashed her car. She wrote a
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Speaker 1: letter and handed it to Dean and made him read
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Speaker 1: it from the letter. So that makes perfect sense.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, which I get it because she's a good writer.
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Speaker 2: If anything, we've learned that about her over the years.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Which is fine. Some people can form better words and
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Speaker 2: thoughts on paper than just saying it out loud. But also,
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Speaker 2: I thought the scene in the grocery store was weird.
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 2: The way that Dean was acting. I'm like, you have
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Speaker 2: a wife at home. It's now been six weeks, seven
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Speaker 2: weeks since you've slept with someone else and you are
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Speaker 2: just still thinking about Rory. Like, wouldn't it be a hint?
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and Lorelai, because I was complaining to my
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Speaker 1: husband about this last night, too, that same scene. Because
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Speaker 1: Lorelai's trying to hand him a letter that's going to
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Speaker 1: have all of this information in it. And he keeps
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Speaker 1: badgering Lorelai, like, where is she? What's she doing? Who's
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Speaker 1: she with? When's she coming back? Like, just take the
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Speaker 1: freaking letter and read it, and you'll get all of
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Speaker 1: that information. It just bothered me that he kept annoying
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Speaker 1: Lorelai about it with all of his questions.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: She's trying to hand you a letter. Just take it.
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Speaker 2: There was also a huge stock of Pop-Tarts behind her.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but weren't they generic? I saw them.
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Speaker 2: It was one was strawberry and one was chocolate. I
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Speaker 2: paused it and I was like, man, that shelf is
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Speaker 2: full of Pop-Tarts. It's like the off-brand. It's like, you
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Speaker 2: know when you get like Target brand? Like, I love
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Speaker 2: a good Target brand.
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Speaker 1: They were toaster pastries.
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Speaker 2: Okay, so the money went to Hanson's this episode, clearly.
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 2: I'm so glad you noticed that because I was like, man, there.
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Speaker 2: is not a shortage of off-brand Pop-Tarts today.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: So funny.
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Speaker 1: So what do we think about the scene in the
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Speaker 1: town square when they run into Lindsay and her mom?
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Speaker 2: Oh, that one.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I get the anger. Yeah. But there was
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Speaker 1: no acknowledgement that This was Dean's fault also. Rory didn't...
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Speaker 1: Rory isn't the one that pursued Dean. He's the one
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Speaker 1: that showed up at Lorelai's house.
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Speaker 2: I tend to disagree a little bit. She called Dean
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Speaker 2: when she needed someone to come to the bar. She's
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Speaker 2: been talking to Dean. She's been hanging out with Dean
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Speaker 2: without Lindsay knowing. She is also part of the issue.
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Speaker 1: I agree with that. I'm not saying it's only Dean's fault,
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Speaker 1: but Rory can't take 100% of the blame.
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Speaker 2: No, it's 50-50 for sure.
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Speaker 1: And so the way that, I can't remember Lindsay's mom's name.
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Speaker 1: They said it, but I can't remember what it was.
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Speaker 2: I don't remember either.
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Speaker 1: The way that she was like coming at Rory like,
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Speaker 1: you know.
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Speaker 2: Like she was a child.
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Speaker 1: Right. Or like the whole intent was that, you know,
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Speaker 1: Rory was trying to ruin everybody's life, which she didn't.
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Speaker 1: She didn't like set out to do that. And Dean
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Speaker 1: was just as intentional as she was, if not more.
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Speaker 2: Well, that's why when I even mentioned like Rory's child. Well, okay.
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Speaker 2: We mentioned a couple episodes ago that Lindsay's childish because
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Speaker 2: all she wants is Dean to stay at home or
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Speaker 2: work and make money. There was like no in between.
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Speaker 2: And then we also mentioned in the last episode that
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Speaker 2: Rory was very childish in that opening scene. And so
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Speaker 2: I think this kind of makes it like... The one
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Speaker 2: thing I was going to say is it just makes
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Speaker 2: it seem like they're a bunch of 12-year-olds. And this
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Speaker 2: is a bigger issue. Why is your mother coming to
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Speaker 2: yell at Rory?
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Speaker 1: Right. Like it's a playground fight or something.
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Speaker 2: It's as if, yeah, there was a fight at school
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Speaker 2: and now the other mother is scolding the other kid.
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Speaker 2: It's like, why are... Because even... You got to give
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Speaker 2: Lorelai credit. She's staying out of it. The only thing
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Speaker 2: that she did was deliver the note, which... The only
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Speaker 2: reason why I think Lorelai is even somewhat involved is
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Speaker 2: because she did walk in on them. So, like, she
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Speaker 2: definitely knew, but she's kept her mouth shut otherwise. She's
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Speaker 2: never talked to anyone about it. She hasn't told, you know, like,
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Speaker 2: she hasn't told anyone. Yeah. So, for Lindsay's mom to
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Speaker 2: come in, I was like, this is why this whole
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Speaker 2: storyline is so stupid to me. Because you want them
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Speaker 2: to be adults who are married, but you're treating them
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Speaker 2: like they're 12-year, like, middle schoolers. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and so thank you, Jackie. She reminded us
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Speaker 1: her name is Teresa. But we know that's how Lindsay's
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Speaker 1: mom is because we saw them like that at the
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Speaker 1: Dragonfly when she's like bringing lunch and she comes over
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Speaker 1: and they make dinner and they do work around the apartment.
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Speaker 1: Like she isn't over the idea that her child is
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Speaker 1: grown up. And she needs to like move on from
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Speaker 1: the day-to-day momming of her.
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Speaker 2: But the day-to-day momming of bringing lunch and stuff, I
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Speaker 2: still think is very, very different from getting in your
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Speaker 2: kid's personal life.
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Speaker 1: It is, but I don't think she thinks it is.
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Speaker 2: No, no, no. But I'm saying like, for example, like
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Speaker 2: I'm a grown adult and my mom is always like,
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Speaker 2: what are you having for dinner? Or like, what do
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Speaker 2: you want? You know what I mean? Like, it's just,
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Speaker 2: you know, or like, did you eat breakfast? Like, it's
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Speaker 2: like things like that, but that's just more of a
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Speaker 2: motherly thing. But like, I mean, my parents are not,
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Speaker 2: my mom is not asking me about like my friendships
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Speaker 2: and you know what I mean? Like it just, yeah,
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Speaker 2: it's again, this Lindsay storyline bugs me. I just think
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Speaker 2: it was done so poorly. Yeah. I just think it all,
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Speaker 2: the more I think about it, I'm like, poor Lindsay.
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Speaker 2: Now she just looks like a, you know what she
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Speaker 2: reminded me of actually? Dean's little sister, who's just like
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Speaker 2: crying in the corner. Like it's exactly, it was like
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Speaker 2: Dean has this female, Clara, thank you. Where she's just
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Speaker 2: randomly crying and someone else is like speaking on her behalf.
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Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. That's true. I was actually kind of proud
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Speaker 1: of her though. When we saw that scene where she
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Speaker 1: was throwing all of Dean's stuff out the window. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I was proud of her in that moment because it
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Speaker 1: would have been so easy for her to be like
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Speaker 1: crying and weeping and, oh, please come back to me.
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Speaker 1: Don't leave me, you know, like that. But she stood
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Speaker 1: up for herself and she was like, you need to
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Speaker 1: get the hell out of here and your stuff is
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Speaker 1: leaving right now.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: I was proud of her for that.
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Speaker 2: She did, which again, that's like the most personality of
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Speaker 2: Lindsay we've seen this entire time is like her standing
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Speaker 2: up for herself.
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Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And I think we got a little bit of it
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Speaker 2: in the last episode when she's like talking to at
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Speaker 2: the butcher like I need to get this right. Like
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Speaker 2: you kind of see it but like I mean the
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Speaker 2: storyline just sucks. That's my personal opinion. It just sucks.
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Speaker 2: Like it just I get why it had to happen. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Well actually no I don't get why it had to happen.
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Speaker 2: Like do you think we needed it? Like I don't
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Speaker 2: think we needed the storyline. Do you think we needed
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Speaker 2: Rory to lose her virginity to Dean?
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Speaker 1: Well, I don't know that we needed to. They needed
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Speaker 1: to have some kind of drama, I think, to... Well,
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Speaker 1: why Dean? Well, yeah, I don't know.
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Speaker 2: Like, why did we... I mean, don't get me wrong.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it could have been Jess.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I feel like that makes... I've never thought
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Speaker 2: about this before. That makes a little bit more sense
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Speaker 2: because why are we bringing back Dean? Like, that is
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Speaker 2: a boyfriend to go. When, like, I understand loving to
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Speaker 2: work with Jared Padalecki. He seems like a great guy.
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Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: But, like, I kind of would have loved it to
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Speaker 2: be that she lost her virginity to some random one-night
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Speaker 2: stand in college.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Like the jerk. Yeah. Like the jerk that Emily made
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Speaker 2: her hang out with.
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Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Just get it over with.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and I've made that comment before. Like, she
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Speaker 1: keeps cycling through the same boyfriends over and over. And it's, like,
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Speaker 1: she needs to stop. Like, she needs to break that cycle.
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Speaker 1: There's more than just these three men in the world.
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Speaker 2: Also, the amount of times they said, like, oh, he
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Speaker 2: loves me. I'm like, does he?
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I was like, she said it more than once.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And he also said it back to her. I can't
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Speaker 2: remember if it was the last episode or this one,
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Speaker 2: or maybe it was both. I don't remember.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he said it first.
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Speaker 2: When they were in bed, right?
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. And then it was again at Miss Patty's. In
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Speaker 2: the last episode.
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Speaker 1: Just so manipulative.
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Speaker 2: I can't wait for this storyline to be over.
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Speaker 1: Do we, I'm trying to think, do we see Lindsay
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Speaker 1: again after this? I don't, I think this is the
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Speaker 1: last time we see her.
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Speaker 2: We just looked it up. I guess it is her
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Speaker 2: last episode, which honestly, what a shame. She deserved more.
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Speaker 1: She deserved more. And I really liked the actress too.
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Speaker 1: So I didn't mind watching her.
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Speaker 2: No, she was great. And to this day, she's still
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Speaker 2: a successful working actress.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely.
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Speaker 2: What a shame that she went out on this note
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Speaker 2: and we just dragged her character. I know. She needed
17:27
Speaker 2: more character development.
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Speaker 1: Justice for Lindsay.
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Speaker 2: Justice for Lindsay. That really should have been the title
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Speaker 2: of this episode. it should have oh man is there
17:39
Speaker 2: anything else i feel like no.
17:41
Speaker 1: Just the whole way that it wrapped up after that
17:46
Speaker 1: after the confrontation um when the town squared but then
17:50
Speaker 1: rory goes to dean's house.
17:52
Speaker 2: Oh my god i was like you're really gonna show
17:54
Speaker 2: up to his house right and then.
17:57
Speaker 1: He's like you bailed on me twice and she's like
17:59
Speaker 1: i didn't bail on you like Yes, you did. You
18:03
Speaker 1: just left.
18:04
Speaker 2: I blacked that out because I was like, this scene
18:06
Speaker 2: is so stupid. You literally heard that there was a
18:09
Speaker 2: scene outside of their house because Suki spilled the beans.
18:12
Speaker 2: And now you're going to go knock on his door.
18:13
Speaker 2: And when he opens the door, he closes it behind him.
18:15
Speaker 2: It's like, clearly she's in the house.
18:17
Speaker 1: And you went and knocked.
18:18
Speaker 2: Like, come on.
18:19
Speaker 1: Well, but that was his parents' house. So I don't
18:23
Speaker 1: think Lindsay was there.
18:24
Speaker 2: Oh, you're right. It was.
18:25
Speaker 1: Either way. Yeah, that wasn't the apartment. But still, like,
18:28
Speaker 1: I don't know.
18:29
Speaker 2: She had a letter at this rate.
18:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, like, what did she think he was.
18:33
Speaker 2: Also, what was the conversation going to be? Like, what
18:36
Speaker 2: are we trying to get out of it again?
18:37
Speaker 1: Exactly.
18:38
Speaker 2: But also him now flipping it on her was actually,
18:41
Speaker 2: I was like, you know, the two of you are
18:43
Speaker 2: just messed up.
18:44
Speaker 1: I know. They really are.
18:46
Speaker 2: And by the way, we just got a note from Jackie.
18:49
Speaker 2: Rory and Dean break up for the final time in
18:52
Speaker 2: Season 5, Episode 8. We are on Episode 2. We
18:54
Speaker 2: have five more to go until we get there.
18:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, and these next couple episodes for that storyline are
19:01
Speaker 1: super cringorama.
19:03
Speaker 2: Yeah. Cringorama is a great word.
19:06
Speaker 1: It's going to get bad.
19:09
Speaker 2: That's going to be what this relationship is, cringorama. I mean,
19:12
Speaker 2: it really is. But yeah, I mean, I just don't
19:15
Speaker 2: understand why we had to go back to Dean. Like,
19:18
Speaker 2: I never thought about it that way because, I don't know,
19:20
Speaker 2: we watched it so many times and I was like, yeah, well,
19:22
Speaker 2: Dean comes back. And he technically never went away. Because
19:25
Speaker 2: even when she was with Jess, he was still... in
19:27
Speaker 2: the town, as we know. Yeah. But, like, why bring
19:30
Speaker 2: him back for this? And it, like, it still went
19:33
Speaker 2: nowhere because it's not like they get in a relationship. Yeah. But,
19:37
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess this leads to, this leads to Logan.
19:40
Speaker 1: Right. Exactly. I was going to say, we meet Logan
19:43
Speaker 1: in the next episode. So, yeah. So, we're gonna start
19:49
Speaker 1: that whole conflict. But yeah, I don't know. I don't
19:52
Speaker 1: know what the rationale was for having it to be
19:57
Speaker 1: Dean because we've got we had just come back to
20:00
Speaker 1: like he's around. So yeah, it could have it could
20:03
Speaker 1: have been him or like you said, it could have
20:05
Speaker 1: been some rando from Yale. Like it really could have
20:07
Speaker 1: been anybody.
20:08
Speaker 2: Why should have been Marty justice for Marty to know Marty? Yeah,
20:12
Speaker 2: he really should have been one of the boyfriends.
20:15
Speaker 1: I liked Marty the first time. the first, like when
20:20
Speaker 1: we meet him again in season seven, I don't like that.
20:22
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no.
20:24
Speaker 1: First Marty. I liked him.
20:26
Speaker 2: Also, it makes me confused that they had him in
20:28
Speaker 2: season four and then he comes back in seven with
20:31
Speaker 2: like a storyline. I'm like, okay. I mean, I guess
20:34
Speaker 2: if you think about it, like.
20:35
Speaker 1: Because again, why are you recycling characters out of nowhere?
20:38
Speaker 2: Like, yeah. And like, I, I do, I do remember
20:41
Speaker 2: in college, like I remember having a class with someone
20:44
Speaker 2: my freshman year and my senior year, like we hadn't
20:46
Speaker 2: seen each other in the middle. So like, I understand
20:48
Speaker 2: that that's a thing where you kind of run into
20:49
Speaker 2: the same people sometimes. But even that storyline with his girlfriend,
20:54
Speaker 2: it was just like, you should have given Marty a
20:57
Speaker 2: shot four seasons ago. Right.
21:00
Speaker 1: Exactly.
21:00
Speaker 2: You know, three seasons ago. Yeah.
21:03
Speaker 1: So we've got more Marty coming. We've got, you know,
21:08
Speaker 1: the next couple of episodes.
21:09
Speaker 2: We have Logan next episode.
21:10
Speaker 1: We have Logan and Marty in the next episode.
21:13
Speaker 2: Oh, that's right. That's right, because he's working at Logan.
21:15
Speaker 1: That's how she meets Logan, yeah. That's right. Oh, my God,
21:17
Speaker 1: you're right.
21:18
Speaker 2: I forgot. I mean, I knew it was happening. All right,
21:21
Speaker 2: let the games begin, I guess. I know.
21:23
Speaker 1: There's a lot going on right now.
21:25
Speaker 2: I know. I know. All right, so the next episode,
21:29
Speaker 2: when we all get back to Yale and everything, is
21:32
Speaker 2: Season 5, Episode 3, Written in the Stars, which, here
21:37
Speaker 2: comes Logan. I'm kind of excited, actually. It's been a
21:41
Speaker 2: while since I've watched this episode.
21:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like this episode because it's Luke and Lorelai's
21:46
Speaker 1: date that they have. Yes.
21:49
Speaker 2: Oh my god, and Asher dies.
21:51
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I forgot about Paris.
21:52
Speaker 2: We haven't seen Paris in a couple episodes. Listen, if
21:57
Speaker 2: you added Paris into the mix of this Dean situation,
22:00
Speaker 2: I don't think we could handle it.
22:01
Speaker 1: Yeah.
22:02
Speaker 2: Actually, you know what? That's true. You know, to spice
22:05
Speaker 2: it up, I would have loved for her to tell
22:07
Speaker 2: Paris when it happened. Oh, yeah. It would have been
22:11
Speaker 2: really interesting if she ran to Paris. Not actual Paris,
22:16
Speaker 2: like Europe. Right, right.
22:18
Speaker 1: The person.
22:19
Speaker 2: The person, yeah.
22:21
Speaker 1: That's true. I didn't even think about that. But yeah,
22:23
Speaker 1: that could have been.
22:23
Speaker 2: Because Lane, I mean, Lane's just kind of there to listen,
22:26
Speaker 2: which I understand. We all have those friends who you
22:28
Speaker 2: just need to vent to or tell.
22:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. But she can't really give feedback in that situation.
22:33
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. But no, Paris would. Paris would put
22:38
Speaker 2: her in her place. That's what she would do.
22:40
Speaker 1: Yeah.
22:41
Speaker 2: He'd be like, you're married. Well, I don't know. Paris
22:44
Speaker 2: is also... Asher was single, wasn't he?
22:47
Speaker 1: He had kids, so he was.
22:49
Speaker 2: Was he divorced?
22:50
Speaker 1: I think so. I don't know if they ever said.
22:54
Speaker 2: Honestly, it would have been a great exchange to be like,
22:57
Speaker 2: if she goes to Paris and she's like, I slept
23:00
Speaker 2: with Dean, he's married. And she's like, I'm sleeping with
23:02
Speaker 2: Asher and he's married. Would have been good TV.
23:07
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't think he was, though, because he was
23:10
Speaker 1: going to take Paris to Oxford. So he wouldn't have
23:13
Speaker 1: done that if he was.
23:14
Speaker 2: And also when the granddaughter showed up, like, I don't
23:15
Speaker 2: think she really questioned much.
23:17
Speaker 1: Yeah.
23:17
Speaker 3: Yeah.
23:18
Speaker 2: That's true.
23:18
Speaker 1: She's like, oh, just another one of his girlfriends.
23:21
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, all right. Well, we'll see you next week
23:23
Speaker 2: back at Yale.
23:24
Speaker 1: Meeting adjourned.
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