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Murder In Moscow: Anne Taylor And The Amount Of Money She Made Defending Kohberger · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome back to the program. Earlier
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  Speaker 1: we were talking about the salary that Ann Taylor, the
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  Speaker 1: public defender for Brian Koberger, was going to make. Well,
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  Speaker 1: today we're getting some more details and some more context
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  Speaker 1: about that salary and how much it's all going to
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  Speaker 1: end up being when all is said and done. And
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  Speaker 1: I thought it would be interesting considering we just got
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  Speaker 1: done talking about the budget for the entire Idaho State
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  Speaker 1: Police Department. and for the investigation into who murdered these
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  Speaker 1: four students. So with that said, let's dive into this
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  Speaker 1: article from the Daily Mail, and let's get a little
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  Speaker 1: more context about the salary that Ann Taylor, the public defender,
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  Speaker 1: is going to be making. Headline, Idaho murder suspect Brian
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  Speaker 1: Koberger's lawyer will triple her income with $ 200 an hour
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  Speaker 1: agreement to defend them. And we didn't even touch on
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  Speaker 1: that on the other episode talking about the conflict of
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  Speaker 1: interest or the possible conflict of interest. And I think
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  Speaker 1: that looms large as well. Is there not going to
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  Speaker 1: be any sort of addressing of the possible conflict of
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  Speaker 1: interest by the court? Or has it been addressed in
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  Speaker 1: private and is just being kept under wraps due to
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  Speaker 1: the gag order? Either way, that needs to be addressed
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  Speaker 1: and some clarity needs to be given. This article was
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  Speaker 1: authored by Emma Jones. A lawyer defending suspected quadruple killer
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  Speaker 1: Brian Koberger will be paid $ 200 an hour in his
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  Speaker 1: case with any additional overtime. Chief Public Defender Ann Taylor said,
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  Speaker 1: will be paid by Kootenai County for a 40-hour work
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  Speaker 1: week with Latah County agreeing to give the funds to
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  Speaker 1: Kootenai for her work. But any overtime that she accrues
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  Speaker 1: outside of those hours will be paid by Latah County
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  Speaker 1: directly to the attorney with a second attorney supporting Taylor
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  Speaker 1: in the case being paid $ 180 an hour. And when
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  Speaker 1: we talked about this yesterday, I didn't have the information
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  Speaker 1: that I have today as far as what the budget
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  Speaker 1: was for the whole ass Idaho State Police Department. We're
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  Speaker 1: talking about like $ 2 million. And when all said and
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  Speaker 1: done here, Ann Taylor's looking at making about $ 416, 000. That
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  Speaker 1: seems a bit much if you're asking me. And I wonder,
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  Speaker 1: does every single person who is charged with murder, that
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  Speaker 1: is a capital offense, do they get the same kind
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  Speaker 1: of hookup? Are they going to have the same kind
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  Speaker 1: of lawyer? And are the citizens going to be on
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  Speaker 1: the hook for that kind of dough. Because that would
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  Speaker 1: seem like the kind of money you'd be paying to
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  Speaker 1: a private attorney, right? Taylor is representing the 28-year-old criminal
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  Speaker 1: justice major after stepping down as the lawyer for Kara Northington,
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  Speaker 1: the mother of murdered Zanna Kernodle. Well, I'll tell you what,
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  Speaker 1: if you're going to make this kind of dough representing
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  Speaker 1: Brian Kohlberger, why wouldn't you step down? I mean, if
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  Speaker 1: you're looking at it from that perspective of trying to
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  Speaker 1: secure that bag, and not being morally correct, well, this
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  Speaker 1: is the pathway you're going to go. And then, of course,
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  Speaker 1: what they'll say is, she's the only attorney in Northern
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  Speaker 1: Idaho that works for the Public Defender's Office that can
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  Speaker 1: handle a capital punishment kind of case. My counter to
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  Speaker 1: that would be, why not bring in a different attorney
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  Speaker 1: from somewhere else in the state? If you're going to
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  Speaker 1: be paying this kind of dough, I mean, you might
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  Speaker 1: as well go all the way and bring a different
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  Speaker 1: attorney in from the South She was in charge of
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  Speaker 1: her case until January 5th, the same day that Kohlberger
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  Speaker 1: was extradited from his home in Pennsylvania to Idaho. The
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  Speaker 1: lawyer is also accused of a second conflict of interest
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  Speaker 1: in the case after it was revealed that she represented
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  Speaker 1: Maddie Mogan's stepmother, Corey Hatrock, in June 2022 and oversaw
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  Speaker 1: a case involving her father, Benjamin, in 2020. Kohlberger is
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  Speaker 1: accused of murdering Mogan and Kernodle on November 13th along
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  Speaker 1: with Kaylee Gonsalves and Ethan Chapin. Experts previously told DailyMail.com
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  Speaker 1: that they would be surprised if there was no one
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  Speaker 1: else that could represent Kohlberger in the case, despite the
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  Speaker 1: small pool of lawyers in Idaho. And that's what I said.
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  Speaker 1: I'm certainly not an expert, but there's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: lawyers in Idaho, relatively speaking, and I'm sure you can
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  Speaker 1: bring one up from the South. The law is not
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  Speaker 1: different in South Idaho than Northern Idaho, is it? They're
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  Speaker 1: all guided by the same rules, so why not just
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  Speaker 1: bring one of those lawyers up or someone in from
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  Speaker 1: like Boise where they have extra lawyers? In 2021, Taylor
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  Speaker 1: earned $ 118, 866, but based on her $ 200 an hour pay
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  Speaker 1: to represent Kohlberger, she would get $ 416, 000 a year. So
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  Speaker 1: that's quite the raise, huh? And again, this is information
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  Speaker 1: that we didn't have yesterday when we were talking about
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  Speaker 1: this topic. So whenever I can fill in some context
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  Speaker 1: or put some meat on the bone, I love to
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  Speaker 1: do that. That way we're armed, right? And we're not
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  Speaker 1: only getting half of the information. Presentation of evidence in
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  Speaker 1: the case has been predicted to last five days in
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  Speaker 1: June with an average of eight hours in court, meaning
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  Speaker 1: that Taylor and her team could earn more than $ 3, 000
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  Speaker 1: a day. In total, they would get $ 15, 200 per week
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  Speaker 1: without overtime, as well as being reimbursed for mileage, lodging,
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  Speaker 1: and meal costs. And remember, this money isn't just materializing
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  Speaker 1: out of the sky. These are taxpayer dollars. And the
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  Speaker 1: commissioners and everybody else who's in charge of the budget,
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  Speaker 1: they're going to have to go in and reevaluate now
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  Speaker 1: and figure it all out. Any investigators working on her
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  Speaker 1: behalf will be compensated at a rate of $ 45 an hour,
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  Speaker 1: according to the agreement, which was approved on Tuesday. According
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  Speaker 1: to the American Bar Association, the average hourly pay for
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  Speaker 1: capital punishment attorneys in 2007 was $ 100, which equates to
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  Speaker 1: around $ 141 in 2023 with inflation, meaning Taylor is being
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  Speaker 1: paid above average for the case. And for me, I
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  Speaker 1: think that one of the most important things here to
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  Speaker 1: ask is, does everybody else get the same treatment that
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  Speaker 1: Brian Koberger is getting if they're charged with murder as well?
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  Speaker 1: And if so, where's this budget going to come from
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  Speaker 1: in Idaho to continuously be doing this sort of thing
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  Speaker 1: at this crazy price? Because I don't know how they'd
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  Speaker 1: be able to maintain doing this kind of defense from
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  Speaker 1: the public defender's office. I've never heard of anything like it,
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  Speaker 1: to be honest with you. Taylor is just one of
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  Speaker 1: 13 public defenders in Idaho approved by the state's public
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  Speaker 1: defense commission to lead a capital punishment case and the
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  Speaker 1: only one in all of North Idaho. That's something that
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  Speaker 1: they should change. You got to have more than one
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  Speaker 1: person who could do the job. What if something was
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  Speaker 1: wrong with Ann Taylor? What if she was sick or
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  Speaker 1: what if she got in a car accident or insert
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  Speaker 1: tragedy here? Latah County does not have a public defender
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  Speaker 1: who is qualified to represent suspects in capital cases, but
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  Speaker 1: they wanted to ensure they had a team of attorneys
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  Speaker 1: who can represent in death penalty cases. It could indicate
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  Speaker 1: that the prosecutors are leaning towards pursuing the death penalty
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  Speaker 1: with the payment for that kind of representation discussed in
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  Speaker 1: the agreement. Idaho also has a voluntary capital crimes defense fund,
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  Speaker 1: which requires specific criteria, including a prosecutor declaring they will
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  Speaker 1: seek the death penalty within 30 days of the defendant
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  Speaker 1: entering the plea. So we know that that won't happen
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  Speaker 1: until June. So at that point, the clock will be ticking.
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  Speaker 1: The prosecution will have 30 days from the time that
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  Speaker 1: Brian Koberger enters his plea until And then once that
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  Speaker 1: 30 days is up, they have to let the defendant
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  Speaker 1: and the state know if they plan on pursuing the
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  Speaker 1: death penalty. Kohlberger is expected to enter a plea on
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  Speaker 1: June 26, around the same time as the presentation of evidence.
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  Speaker 1: So Latah County has until the end of July to
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  Speaker 1: officially pursue the death penalty. He is charged with four
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  Speaker 1: counts of murder and one count of felony burglary and
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  Speaker 1: waived his right. to a speedy preliminary hearing in January.
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  Speaker 1: Kara Northington previously slammed Taylor for dropping her case to
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  Speaker 1: represent Kohlberger, saying she was heartbroken to be silently dropped.
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  Speaker 1: When she represented Ben Mogan, he was sentenced to 90
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  Speaker 1: days in prison after pleading guilty to charges in 2020,
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  Speaker 1: and Maddie's stepmother pleaded guilty to possession of an illegal substance,
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  Speaker 1: but it's unclear if she served any prison time. And
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  Speaker 1: it's very, very typical to see these kinds of low-end
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  Speaker 1: drug offenses ending up with the person who is being
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  Speaker 1: charged with the offense pleading guilty. A lot of times
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  Speaker 1: the courts will be easier on them that way, and
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  Speaker 1: a lot of times they'll be able to avoid jail time.
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  Speaker 1: A legal expert previously called for Taylor to recuse herself
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  Speaker 1: from the Koberger case as he believes it could result
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  Speaker 1: in the suspected killer appealing any result which he has
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  Speaker 1: found guilty. And I've said this too. I've said that.
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  Speaker 1: this a hundred times now and I guess he can
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  Speaker 1: sign a waiver or whatever, but do you really think
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  Speaker 1: he's not going to challenge that if he does? 100%
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  Speaker 1: he's going to. California appellate and litigation lawyer Matthew Barhoma
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  Speaker 1: told DailyMail.com that Taylor seems to want to work on
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  Speaker 1: the case with Koberger describing it as an odd and
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  Speaker 1: unique situation. He said Taylor had many prior dealings with
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  Speaker 1: the mother on multiple occasions and that heightens the conflict.
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  Speaker 1: You have to assume she received no confidential information from
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  Speaker 1: the mother that could be bled into the case. And
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  Speaker 1: then you have to question if you can do the
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  Speaker 1: job impartially and it could affect Brian and his situation
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  Speaker 1: with the attorney. It is an inherently difficult issue with
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  Speaker 1: no clear-cut answer, and it is a gray area. However,
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  Speaker 1: if it were me, I would recuse myself from the case. Now,
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  Speaker 1: there is some more to this article, but it's just
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  Speaker 1: rehashing stuff that we've talked about plenty of times here,
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  Speaker 1: about like the search warrant and stuff like that. So
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  Speaker 1: for our purposes, we're going to end the article here.
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  Speaker 1: But I thought it was interesting to get some of
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  Speaker 1: these other additions added to the catalog as far as
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  Speaker 1: her pay, what her regular salary was before this, and
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  Speaker 1: any of the other details that might have been missed
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  Speaker 1: in that other episode. So that's going to do it
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  Speaker 1: for this one. And all of the information that goes
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