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Ep.2: Tallow and Tick Bites · Health and Homestead Pod

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SPEAKER_03: Disclaimer.
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SPEAKER_03: Thanks.
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SPEAKER_03: Bye.
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SPEAKER_03: So here we are.
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SPEAKER_03: Episode two.
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SPEAKER_01: Episode two.
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SPEAKER_01: We are now international.
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SPEAKER_01: We binational.
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SPEAKER_01: Whatever America.
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SPEAKER_01: There's in America.
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SPEAKER_03: In the America.
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SPEAKER_01: In the America.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Hi.
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SPEAKER_01: Hi.
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SPEAKER_01: Hi America.
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SPEAKER_01: Come up here.
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SPEAKER_01: What are you doing?
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SPEAKER_01: Are you realizing?
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SPEAKER_03: There's analytics for every single thing that you do.
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SPEAKER_03: We can see who watches, where they watch from, what size your underwear are all the pretty good stuff.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_03: All the interweb.
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SPEAKER_03: On the interweb.
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SPEAKER_03: Great corners of the interweb.
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SPEAKER_03: Uh let's do the little recap from last time.
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SPEAKER_03: Yes, there was a couple questions.
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SPEAKER_03: Comments.
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SPEAKER_01: Clarifications and comments.
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SPEAKER_01: So what's really funny is that we recorded this before the passing of the late great Dolly Parton.
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SPEAKER_03: RIP Dolly.
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SPEAKER_03: R.I.P.
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SPEAKER_03: to Dolly, but we I hope she's resting peacefully on her back.
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SPEAKER_02: On her back.
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SPEAKER_02: That's the last one.
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SPEAKER_03: Honestly.
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SPEAKER_03: That's the last one.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, but we had like a really heavily dolly episode, which was funny because we put it out after she after she had passed, but we recorded it before, so that was just kind of funny.
1:28
SPEAKER_01: We talked about what did we do?
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SPEAKER_01: Nine her nine to five.
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SPEAKER_01: Jolene, of course.
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SPEAKER_01: Her spirit will live on in my sourdough starter forever.
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SPEAKER_01: And her dick.
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SPEAKER_03: I want to confirm.
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SPEAKER_03: The saying is dick for Dolly.
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SPEAKER_03: My dad used to say cock for Dolly, which is really just weird all around that people say that as a saying, but I knew I heard it from the old men in my life, my husband and my dad.
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SPEAKER_03: Dick for Dolly definitely sounds better than cock for Dolly, but so I think now, though, in my practice, when I make recommendations, it's gonna be like, you know what the dick for dolly this is?
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SPEAKER_03: 100%.
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SPEAKER_03: So stay tuned for my recommendations at the end of this podcast.
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SPEAKER_03: At the end of this podcast.
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SPEAKER_01: I also seen one one time.
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SPEAKER_01: It was like that fits like a that fits like a fist and an eye or something, which means the opposite.
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SPEAKER_01: Like it doesn't fit at all.
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SPEAKER_00: Ah.
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SPEAKER_01: So yeah, you get your dick in your fist.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh no.
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unknown: Oh no.
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SPEAKER_02: The makings of a pronoun.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh.
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SPEAKER_02: Anyway.
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SPEAKER_02: Explicit.
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SPEAKER_02: This is explicit content.
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SPEAKER_02: I did have to say explicit because I'm here.
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SPEAKER_02: We say that we're so weird.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh.
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SPEAKER_03: Anyway, but thanks for we had a couple comments of like suggestions for next episodes.
2:43
SPEAKER_03: And we love Jen, which is weird.
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SPEAKER_03: She must be in the DeCoste uh wavelength.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that was the weirdest thing she suggested this, and we already had this made, like yeah, not made, but we already had it in in the in the works.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so episode two is ticks, tick bites and tallow.
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SPEAKER_03: Ticks and tallow.
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SPEAKER_03: You know what we're gonna do?
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SPEAKER_03: That was gonna be tallow and tick bites because I think we should alternate.
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SPEAKER_03: I went first last time.
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SPEAKER_03: Okay, with the health thing.
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SPEAKER_03: You go first this time to the homestead thing.
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SPEAKER_03: So we're gonna do tallow and tick bites.
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SPEAKER_03: Sounds good.
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unknown: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: And actually, I have a very good segue at the end too.
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SPEAKER_01: So that I needed that might just work out.
3:26
SPEAKER_01: Oh, I'm so excited.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm so excited about tallow.
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SPEAKER_01: I just love I'm known.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay, well, now I wear so many hats.
3:33
SPEAKER_01: I'm uh okay, Laura just drank off and spin it all over my couch.
3:40
SPEAKER_01: I just pictured you with like a beret.
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unknown: Three of them.
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SPEAKER_01: One podcast beret and a homesteading uh sourdough beret and a tallow beret.
3:49
SPEAKER_01: So there's people that literally have me in their phones as the tallow girl, which is hilarious.
3:53
SPEAKER_01: Um, I guess it kind of depends on what they're buying from me at the time, what they call me.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Either the sourdough girl or whatever.
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SPEAKER_01: So tallow, what is it?
4:02
SPEAKER_01: What is it, you might ask?
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SPEAKER_01: Is tallow something that's known?
4:04
SPEAKER_01: Like no, I didn't know.
4:06
SPEAKER_01: No.
4:06
SPEAKER_01: And I was disturbed and you told me.
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SPEAKER_01: You were grossed about it.
4:10
SPEAKER_01: Now it's all over my body and all over my face.
4:11
SPEAKER_01: Now it's all over your all over your body.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, so what is it?
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SPEAKER_01: So tallow is not basically hard fat from I'm gonna not say that's the only time I'm gonna say that word this whole podcast.
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SPEAKER_01: To basically count is at one.
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SPEAKER_01: At one.
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SPEAKER_01: This should be interesting.
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SPEAKER_01: We'll drink a thing of coffee, we'll be wound by the end of this.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, so yeah, so tallow is hard fat from a ruminant animal.
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SPEAKER_01: Do you know what ruminant means?
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SPEAKER_01: Do I have tallow?
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SPEAKER_01: No, because a ruminant animal means that it's um uh a herbivore.
4:50
SPEAKER_01: That's what the dinosaur is.
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SPEAKER_01: What is it called?
4:53
SPEAKER_01: Is it a herb?
4:53
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like that's okay.
4:55
SPEAKER_01: They eat the herbs.
4:56
SPEAKER_01: They eat the herbs.
4:57
SPEAKER_01: They eat the herbs.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, so that's like animals that have multiple stomachs.
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SPEAKER_01: So your cows and your sheep and your not your pigs, because that's lard.
5:08
SPEAKER_01: That's a different thing.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, goats, deer, which is good because I also hunt.
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SPEAKER_01: And I use deer, like the fat from my deer too, even though it stinks to the highest heavens.
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SPEAKER_01: It's disgusting smelling, but I still use it for I don't sell it.
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SPEAKER_01: I the only the only stuff that I sell is from beef, um, beef fat.
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SPEAKER_01: And so yeah, they have four stomachs because they have to I had to look this up because I didn't know what that word meant either, but they have to chew their food because all they eat is grass and hay.
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SPEAKER_01: They chew it first and then they spit it back up, and that's like the cut, the cut, is it what it's called?
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SPEAKER_01: Like chewing the they have to rechew it essentially to help it digest into the stomach, the other stomach that's more like a human one that digests it with enzymes and stuff.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
5:51
SPEAKER_01: Did you ever see that thing where they like put a hole in a stomach of a cow that's just like chilling and there's a hole and you can like take hay out?
5:58
SPEAKER_01: Our algorithms on Facebook are way different.
6:00
SPEAKER_01: Well, I don't get those beans.
6:03
SPEAKER_01: That's fair.
6:04
SPEAKER_01: So have you ever dissected a cow that was living?
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SPEAKER_01: Um anyways, so they basically they have to chew food twice to digest it.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't know what that has to do with the fat, but that's what tallow technically is.
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SPEAKER_01: It's from these herbivores, the brontosaurus brontosaurus.
6:21
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
6:22
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
6:23
SPEAKER_01: So that's great, but how do you get it from the animal to your face to your skin to your skincare routine?
6:31
SPEAKER_01: Um, you have to render it.
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SPEAKER_01: So rendering is a process that basically just means Oh, I knew it was gonna happen right there.
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SPEAKER_01: 100%.
6:41
SPEAKER_01: 100%.
6:41
SPEAKER_01: When I summar okay.
6:44
SPEAKER_01: We're gonna in summary.
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SPEAKER_01: In summary.
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SPEAKER_01: Um I'm gonna get you thesaurus for Christmas.
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SPEAKER_03: It's like basically it's gonna equal all these different all these other words.
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SPEAKER_03: I knew it was happening.
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unknown: Oh, god damn.
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SPEAKER_01: Um essentially, how you I didn't even sing gum.
7:02
SPEAKER_01: Rendering.
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SPEAKER_01: Shut up.
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SPEAKER_01: Rendering is melting, straining, and cooling suet, basically.
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SPEAKER_01: There's different types of fat that are in every kind of animal, but the suet is what I use, which is kind of like the cleanest version of the fat.
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SPEAKER_01: And luckily, my local butcher is Laura's father-in-law, which worked out really well.
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SPEAKER_01: He gets me, he gets me the best cuts.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, but that's like the best kind of use for like skincare because it's has the less impurity, so it doesn't smell as bad essentially.
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SPEAKER_01: Although the smell of rendering fat makes me happy and I can't explain, and it's the weirdest, it's the weirdest thing.
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SPEAKER_01: That's working, yeah.
7:42
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, okay, cool.
7:46
SPEAKER_01: Halfway through.
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SPEAKER_01: So when it comes to rendering, just a quick little little thing.
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SPEAKER_01: I taught myself how to render it, but I mean, there's so much stuff on the internet.
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SPEAKER_01: There's two ways to render fat.
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SPEAKER_01: So there's the wet wet method and the dry method.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, wet method is when you take the fat and you put it in crock pot, pot, whatever, overheat, um, and add water to it.
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SPEAKER_01: Some people add salt, and that's supposed to draw out impurities, but you don't really have to.
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SPEAKER_01: I think that just ends up with salty tallow.
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SPEAKER_01: But yeah, it's you add water and salt, heat it very low because you don't want to burn it, because obviously that stinks.
8:21
SPEAKER_01: Um, but the thing with the wet rendering is that you have to make sure all the water is out, or else it will not be very stable, like shelf stable because water and moisture mold, right?
8:31
SPEAKER_01: Dry is that what you do?
8:34
SPEAKER_01: Um, so I do a combination of both, actually.
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SPEAKER_01: I'll talk about that in a sec.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, dry rendering is literally just putting the fat in a heat source.
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SPEAKER_01: It's not good to do this one on the stovetop just because it will most likely burn.
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SPEAKER_01: Um but I take my crock pot and I put it in the oven at like 200, 250, something like that.
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SPEAKER_01: And it just melts down, and then that's the first part.
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SPEAKER_01: And then, of course, you strain it out and then let it cool.
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SPEAKER_01: You can put it in the freezer or you can put it wherever, but it's it's gonna cool and harden up.
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SPEAKER_01: It's good if it's either in the fridge or the freezer because it helps to kind of like squeeze out all the moisture from it and like anything, any impurities, they kind of sink to the bottom when it cools, and then you scrape that off, melt it down again, and then you um strain it, cool it.
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SPEAKER_01: So each of those is one render.
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SPEAKER_01: So if some somebody says something's like rendered four times, they did that whole process four times.
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SPEAKER_01: So the more you render it, the more essentially um the more the more impurities will come out of it.
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SPEAKER_01: So obviously that's what you want for skincare, like as as clear as it can be, right?
9:39
SPEAKER_01: So I use a mixture of both of them.
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SPEAKER_01: So usually when I first start, but not even really so much anymore because the suet that I get is so clean.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't do wet renders as much anymore.
9:47
SPEAKER_01: But if I were to do them, I'd do them at first.
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SPEAKER_01: And then I do dry renders for like the third and fourth um ringer, I guess.
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SPEAKER_01: And that way it's it's like you're getting out the water as much as possible because I want it to last.
10:01
SPEAKER_01: Obviously, I use I leave it in the freezer.
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SPEAKER_01: I just put it in a a Ziploc bag, like a freezer bag.
10:07
SPEAKER_01: I keep it in the freezer until I use it, basically.
10:09
SPEAKER_01: So three shit balls.
10:12
SPEAKER_01: I don't even I don't even notice it.
10:14
SPEAKER_03: It's because you're reading because every time you look at your page, I know, but you gotta you gotta have a page.
10:18
SPEAKER_03: I've well I have pages today, too, but feel just a free ball.
10:22
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but I can't, I I'm not good with free ball.
10:24
SPEAKER_01: That's not you, it's not who you are.
10:26
SPEAKER_01: It's not me, man.
10:27
SPEAKER_01: Anyway, continue.
10:28
SPEAKER_01: But we're at three, just say you are three, okay.
10:31
SPEAKER_01: So, what do you do once you get to that point?
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SPEAKER_01: So many different things you can do with it.
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SPEAKER_01: There's cooking um applications.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't know, there's cooking uses for it.
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SPEAKER_01: So using it as a cooking oil, it has a high smoke point, which doesn't really mean anything to people if they don't like sear stuff or have cast iron, because cast iron, if you're seasoning cast iron, you need something with high smoke point.
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SPEAKER_03: It matters to me because my black stone you can cook, you have to cook really high on that and it olive oil burns.
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SPEAKER_01: Olive oil burns.
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SPEAKER_01: Um there's a lot of things.
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SPEAKER_01: I think it's I think it's flaxseed oil, actually, that I use because I make a wax that I use on my cast iron between like every time we wash it, we put this wax on it.
11:11
SPEAKER_01: Like heat it up a little bit, put the wax on it, let it let it, it just kind of helps with the seasoning.
11:15
SPEAKER_01: Um, keep the seasoning on it.
11:17
SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah, so I make a wax and I think I think it's flaxseed.
11:22
SPEAKER_01: And um, yeah, and fun fact, actually, McDonald's used to use tallow back in the day.
11:30
SPEAKER_03: Like in the 1800s?
11:32
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, back when McDonald's was in the 1900s.
11:35
SPEAKER_03: Back when we were I mean, that's fair.
11:37
SPEAKER_01: That is fair.
11:38
SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, way back when.
11:40
SPEAKER_01: But yeah, because seed oils essentially, essentially, that's that one's okay to use.
11:45
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
11:45
SPEAKER_01: Um, they break down at high temperatures and they're they can be toxic and all that stuff.
11:49
SPEAKER_01: So that's why you don't want to use them on your cookware and blah, blah, blah.
11:52
SPEAKER_01: So we use it a lot for those things.
11:55
SPEAKER_01: Um, it can be a shortening substitute.
11:58
SPEAKER_01: I don't think mom would be okay with that, with her flaky, flaky pastries, flaky pie crusts and stuff, but it might be worth a shot.
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SPEAKER_01: Might might work because I have lots of it.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, skincare, obviously, I do make tallow balm with tallow bomb.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, lotion for dry skin, eczema.
12:16
SPEAKER_01: We'll get into that later as to the why I tallow is such a big part of my life.
12:21
SPEAKER_03: You can also know because they've seen my video.
12:23
SPEAKER_03: They have seen.
12:24
SPEAKER_03: Oh, I'm gonna post that on our YouTube channel.
12:26
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, do that because that's what that's what made her famous, guys.
12:30
SPEAKER_01: Um, you can also make candles from it, which is whatever, but um leather conditioner with my birks.
12:35
SPEAKER_01: Every time I clean my berks, I like let them dry and then I go over it with tallow and it just makes them rake like by keeps them from drying out and like cracking and stuff.
12:44
SPEAKER_01: So if I ordered a jar of this from you and I use it for all these things, as long as it's not like no essential oils or yeah, I don't put essential oils in most of the things, so yeah.
12:54
SPEAKER_01: But but if you wanted just tallow, that would be that wouldn't be the tallow bomb because the tallow bomb has two other ingredients in it.
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SPEAKER_01: Right.
13:00
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, which are all edible, which we'll get to because it's so good.
13:04
SPEAKER_01: No, that's fine.
13:04
SPEAKER_01: Um, you can also use it as lubricant for metal.
13:10
SPEAKER_01: No, just no to coffee.
13:12
SPEAKER_01: You looked at me we are night.
13:14
SPEAKER_01: No, I was trying to sculm it.
13:16
SPEAKER_01: I was trying to make you stop making the face.
13:20
SPEAKER_01: Um lubricant for metal, like squeaky hinges, or or wood.
13:26
SPEAKER_01: So like I use it also on mop.
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unknown: Oh gosh.
13:31
SPEAKER_01: Okay, that's enough.
13:32
SPEAKER_01: Okay, that's enough of that.
13:32
SPEAKER_01: Um, we are not 12.
13:34
SPEAKER_01: I use it on my cutting boards too, like when you clean them, and then I just kind of go over like wooden um spoons and stuff.
13:41
SPEAKER_01: So that's all a little bit of background on that.
13:43
SPEAKER_01: So where it began, why I started doing all of this very labor, not labor-intensive.
13:48
SPEAKER_01: It's kind of like sourdough, like hands-on time, but there's still a little bit of a little bit of work into it.
13:53
SPEAKER_01: It takes about two days, I guess, two, three days to get like a batch ready to be used in in one of my recipes.
13:59
SPEAKER_01: But 2023.
14:01
SPEAKER_01: So 2022, my little guy was born, end of 2022.
14:05
SPEAKER_01: So he basically came out with a rash.
14:08
SPEAKER_01: Shit.
14:09
SPEAKER_01: Balls.
14:09
SPEAKER_01: I'm not okay.
14:10
SPEAKER_01: It's fine.
14:11
SPEAKER_01: You count your head.
14:12
SPEAKER_01: Um stress me.
14:15
SPEAKER_01: Stressing me out, man.
14:16
SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, so he was born 2022.
14:19
SPEAKER_01: Basically came out with a rash.
14:20
SPEAKER_01: He was just a niche little dude.
14:22
SPEAKER_01: He was just, which makes sense because I'm I'm an itchy little dude.
14:26
SPEAKER_01: I'm also have like very allergic skin and eczema and all that stuff.
14:30
SPEAKER_01: So he developed like problem areas.
14:33
SPEAKER_01: So his wrists, there was a couple spots, I think, on his back and like behind his knees and his elbows and stuff.
14:38
SPEAKER_01: So, anyways, there's these spots that I couldn't get rid of.
14:42
SPEAKER_01: And I was trying to find a lotion, like a commercial lotion that would work for it.
14:48
SPEAKER_01: And I couldn't, I couldn't find anything like even the ones that are, I'm probably not allowed to say the names of them, but the ones that are marketed towards babies that are supposed to be natural and have oats and shit in them and all that, all that stuff.
14:59
SPEAKER_01: When you actually look at the ingredients, it's kind of disgusting what they say is like safe for babies because it's just all the same shit that's in everything, but they just have babies on it, and people think that it's I mean, I'm not saying it's not safe, but it's just their their skin is so sensitive and their skin is so delicate.
15:15
SPEAKER_01: And anyways, I just didn't want to.
15:17
SPEAKER_01: I was very if it was an M very crunchy when it comes to that stuff.
15:21
SPEAKER_01: Um, the the less amount of ingredients the better.
15:26
SPEAKER_01: So I couldn't find anything, essentially.
15:29
SPEAKER_01: I couldn't find anything uh to use on them and anything that worked.
15:33
SPEAKER_01: Like I tried them and then I didn't realize that they had so much stuff in them.
15:36
SPEAKER_01: So entered tallow.
15:38
SPEAKER_01: That is where tallow came into my life.
15:40
SPEAKER_01: So because I had already consumed the gateway drug of sourdough, I went down the homesteading rabbit hole of tallow, um, taught myself how to render, do all this stuff, and then I just really started experimenting with like different ingredients, different oils, different whatever.
15:56
SPEAKER_01: And then finally I came up with the recipe that I use now for my tallow balm, which is just rendered tallow balm, like I render it myself.
16:04
SPEAKER_01: Um cocoa butter and arrowroot powder.
16:08
SPEAKER_01: So those three things together, it smells like chocolate because cocoa butter, if it's kind of what's in chocolate, smells delicious and it um kind of masks this it masks the smell of the towel.
16:19
SPEAKER_01: The tallow doesn't have a whole lot of smell after it's rendered so many times, but I don't care who you are or what you say, you cannot 100% get the smell out of tallow because it is what it is.
16:27
SPEAKER_01: And I've heard people say that online too, and I'm like, okay, good.
16:30
SPEAKER_01: It's not just I'm not doing it wrong, it's just you can't like 100% get the smell out.
16:34
SPEAKER_01: Um, but the towel bomb doesn't have any oils in it, doesn't have any essential oils because it's made for sensitive skin, it's made for babies.
16:41
SPEAKER_01: My little guy, his favorite flavor when he was a baby was his hand.
16:45
SPEAKER_01: So it didn't matter if I put the lotion on his hand or wherever, if it got in his mouth, I wasn't worried about it because it's um I knew exactly what was in it.
16:52
SPEAKER_01: And everything's edible, so it wasn't a big deal.
16:56
SPEAKER_01: Um, so yeah, so once I put once I put that on Facebook, everyone's like, okay, so my baby's also itchy, and I'm itchy, so when are you gonna start selling this?
17:05
SPEAKER_01: And I was like, uh, really didn't want to get into get it.
17:08
SPEAKER_01: I said get into that, but I did eventually, probably a year later.
17:12
SPEAKER_01: I think I had been making it for a year when I decided to sell it.
17:15
SPEAKER_01: Anyway, so that came with a whole that came with a whole thing, but um yeah, that's essentially where where it came.
17:23
SPEAKER_01: It can't how it came to be, but and it cleared them up.
17:26
SPEAKER_01: And it cleared them up.
17:27
SPEAKER_01: Like we still we still use it.
17:29
SPEAKER_01: Like I use it every day on myself.
17:30
SPEAKER_01: I use it twice a day on him, usually in the morning and after after his bath at night.
17:35
SPEAKER_01: And if I miss a day, it like Laura's shaking or Laura's nodding along because she knows like his little patches come back, and they got so bad that he would scratch them so much they would bleed.
17:46
SPEAKER_01: Um, and it was worse in the winter when his like when his coat was rubbing up against his wrists and stuff.
17:50
SPEAKER_01: But yeah, it's just all year long we use it.
17:52
SPEAKER_01: That's the only thing I use on him.
17:54
SPEAKER_01: Um and my skin is very smooth too because I use it.
17:59
SPEAKER_01: That's all I use.
18:00
SPEAKER_01: That's all I use.
18:01
SPEAKER_01: And I also make face cream, and Laura will show you how much she uses, and I use about one six hundredth of the amount that she uses because I have kind of oily skin.
18:12
SPEAKER_03: But I have super dry skin, so I do need I tried to use less after you told me that you use too much.
18:17
SPEAKER_03: I can't.
18:18
SPEAKER_03: I love the feel of it when it's like because when I I put it on at bedtime, like I put super a lot on at bedtime, and I wake up and my face is like normal again.
18:27
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
18:28
SPEAKER_03: So it it does sink in.
18:30
SPEAKER_01: It really does.
18:30
SPEAKER_01: And that was the other thing too.
18:32
SPEAKER_01: Like it it mimics, what is it?
18:34
SPEAKER_01: It mimics the oils like in our it mimics the sebum that we have in our body.
18:39
SPEAKER_01: So that's why it's absorbed so well.
18:40
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
18:41
SPEAKER_01: And it has like vitamins, fat-soluble vitamins in it.
18:45
SPEAKER_01: What was the other thing?
18:46
SPEAKER_01: I don't know, there's a couple other it's all natural, whatever.
18:48
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
18:49
SPEAKER_01: But um, I'll just make beard balm for my hubby.
18:53
SPEAKER_01: He likes it.
18:54
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he was one to spend like stupid amounts of money on really little jars of it from all over, and I just make it for him now.
19:01
SPEAKER_01: And he said it's it works just as well, if not better, than everything else that he's tried.
19:05
SPEAKER_01: And yeah, I love it.
19:06
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, all over the house.
19:07
SPEAKER_01: Lip balms, too.
19:08
SPEAKER_01: I love lip balms.
19:09
SPEAKER_01: Lip balms, they don't have tallow in them though.
19:11
SPEAKER_01: Oh, well, they're fantastic.
19:12
SPEAKER_01: They're fantastic.
19:13
SPEAKER_01: I also make lip balms, make all the all the things.
19:16
SPEAKER_01: Um, so a little bit of a segue, a little like story, basically, essentially.
19:23
SPEAKER_01: Um, so I spent a lot of time in the woods.
19:26
SPEAKER_01: Me and my my hubby and my my little guy, we spend a lot of time like literally in the woods.
19:31
SPEAKER_01: Um, we're clearing paths and stuff out at my in-law's place, and we just kind of noticed after a couple times doing it that we didn't have any ticks on us.
19:39
SPEAKER_01: Everyone said it was a really bad tick season, and this lone star tick is here and blah, blah, blah.
19:44
SPEAKER_01: So we were always mindful of it, and we'd always check, like the little guy, obviously, before when we got home, um, and ourselves, but mostly him.
19:51
SPEAKER_01: And we just never had any ticks on us, and we were literally in the woods, like cutting trails, so in the thick, thicker woods, and you would think.
19:59
SPEAKER_01: So, anyways, we went to his sister's place, which is just on the same driveway as the woods that we were in.
20:04
SPEAKER_01: Um, and the kids were playing on a on a little plaything, and they all got ticks all over them.
20:10
SPEAKER_01: Like the kids and the parents both had like five or six ticks when we were there playing.
20:15
SPEAKER_01: And she said, This is all the time, every time we're outside.
20:18
SPEAKER_01: So I was like, that's really weird.
20:19
SPEAKER_01: I was like, maybe we have a weird blood type.
20:21
SPEAKER_01: Like maybe it's our blood type is repelling ticks.
20:24
SPEAKER_01: Like, there's a whole bunch of stuff, right?
20:25
SPEAKER_01: That's not really tested and whatever.
20:28
SPEAKER_01: And then I was watching a video, somebody I follow on on Instagram, and they were talking about this oil, and they're like, Yeah, it's it has tallow in it.
20:35
SPEAKER_01: And like, we all know tallow kind of repels ticks.
20:37
SPEAKER_01: I was like, what?
20:39
SPEAKER_01: Ah, quat.
20:40
SPEAKER_01: What the fuck?
20:41
SPEAKER_01: So, anyway, so I kind of looked it up to see if there was any research behind it.
20:46
SPEAKER_01: And research says no, but like, I don't know.
20:49
SPEAKER_01: Whatever.
20:50
SPEAKER_01: My experience says like maybe hard, hard maybe, hard maybe on the repelling.
20:55
SPEAKER_01: But we both use it.
20:57
SPEAKER_01: Alex uses it in his beard and he uses it on his body too.
21:00
SPEAKER_03: So I was like, maybe.
21:02
SPEAKER_03: That is a perfect segue.
21:04
SPEAKER_01: I'm not gonna be like this, but no, of course, don't no guys, there's there's not hard hard maybe on the on the tick.
21:12
SPEAKER_01: Um so yeah, the ticket.
21:13
SPEAKER_03: Alex, it's a labor of love, man.
21:14
SPEAKER_03: It is two days, but you don't go far.
21:17
SPEAKER_01: I don't go far, and I I don't know what it is that like the happiness that I get from like making my own shit.
21:22
SPEAKER_01: I just don't know.
21:23
SPEAKER_01: I can't explain it.
21:24
SPEAKER_01: And people people at work that think I'm crazy, you know who you are, specifically these people, but I don't know, man.
21:31
SPEAKER_03: I love it.
21:32
SPEAKER_03: Well, you think of the population, like all these parents have these kids in multiple sports and they're always running, and they think of this stuff that like there's no way I can do it.
21:40
SPEAKER_03: And I get it because I that's my summer, like when we're at the ball field a little bit.
21:43
SPEAKER_03: Yes, it is her summer.
21:44
SPEAKER_03: Yes.
21:46
SPEAKER_03: But I mean, you can try to make time, but probably not to brand your tallow, but you can buy it.
21:51
SPEAKER_03: You can buy you can buy tallow products.
21:53
SPEAKER_03: You can buy tallow products and yeah, you can you can do a little bit of a chance.
21:56
SPEAKER_01: You don't have to just you don't have to dive in, man.
21:58
SPEAKER_01: You can just do you can dive.
22:00
SPEAKER_01: Dabble dabble.
22:00
SPEAKER_01: Just dabble a little bit.
22:02
SPEAKER_00: All right.
22:02
SPEAKER_00: Dabble and dolly and her dicks.
22:04
SPEAKER_00: Dolly and her dicks and tick bites.
22:06
SPEAKER_00: Dick bites.
22:06
SPEAKER_00: Dicks and ticks.
22:09
SPEAKER_03: You know what?
22:09
SPEAKER_03: My first thing is like ticks or dicks.
22:12
unknown: Perfect.
22:14
SPEAKER_03: Same wave wavelength.
22:15
SPEAKER_03: Same wavelength.
22:17
SPEAKER_03: So ticks.
22:17
SPEAKER_03: Let's talk about tick bites because as a pharmacist in Nova Scotia, we are in the highest risk area for Lyme disease, which it's been increasingly worse every year.
22:29
SPEAKER_03: Um they blame global warming, which is probably the main component, but our winters aren't cold enough to like destroy them now.
22:36
SPEAKER_03: So usually they're there all the time.
22:39
SPEAKER_03: They're there all the time.
22:39
SPEAKER_03: They don't ever go away.
22:40
SPEAKER_03: You can find them all times of the year.
22:44
SPEAKER_03: Um when we think tick bites, though, we think Lyme disease, which that's kind of the this, I don't want to say the scariest one for us, but that's kind of the most real and the most prevalent here.
22:57
SPEAKER_03: But other diseases like ticks also carry obesiosis, anaplasmosis, rocking out at spotted fever, and the new like meat allergy thing, the alpha gal syndrome.
23:07
SPEAKER_03: Oh my god, yeah.
23:08
SPEAKER_03: Which is like terrifying for people that eat eat red meat, but I'll I'll get into that later.
23:12
SPEAKER_03: Um but Lyme disease specifically is just a bacteria carried by black-legged ticks or deer ticks.
23:21
SPEAKER_03: So Lyme disease cannot be carried by all ticks, and not every black-legged tick that's out there has Lyme disease or the back can transmit Lyme disease.
23:30
SPEAKER_03: So just because you have a tick on you doesn't mean you're gonna get Lyme disease.
23:34
SPEAKER_03: This is what I'm kind of gonna go through in a very, very simple way.
23:38
SPEAKER_03: There's a ton of it's a spirochete and blah, blah, blah.
23:41
SPEAKER_03: I'm not gonna do that.
23:42
SPEAKER_01: No, that's not what we do.
23:44
SPEAKER_01: That's not too weird.
23:45
SPEAKER_01: That's definitely not what I do.
23:47
SPEAKER_03: But Lyme disease is an infection from the bacteria Borrelia bergdorfera.
23:56
SPEAKER_00: Just so my favorite bacteria.
23:58
SPEAKER_03: So we're gonna just call it Lyme disease.
24:00
SPEAKER_03: It's so the bacteria that's transmitted through a tick when it transmits blood between itself and the host.
24:08
SPEAKER_03: Host is usually a human or a dog or a cat or whatever type of thing that it's attached to.
24:13
SPEAKER_03: There's other ticks though.
24:15
SPEAKER_03: And around here, we do have a lot of black-legged ticks, but we also have a lot of dog ticks, which if you look at them online, they do look different, but when they're little tiny things, you can't really tell the difference between them.
24:27
SPEAKER_03: So you have to be kind of cautious.
24:28
SPEAKER_03: They can be so tiny, they can be so friggin' tiny.
24:31
SPEAKER_03: I get into that too.
24:33
SPEAKER_03: Um, but yeah, it's only the deer ticks that can carry Lyme disease.
24:38
SPEAKER_03: So if you have a dog tick on you, I mean, get it off.
24:41
SPEAKER_03: Tick checks are very important, but um identifying them is really important to see like if you have a risk of Lyme disease.
24:48
SPEAKER_03: So ticks, they go through these life cycles when they're born.
24:51
SPEAKER_03: I want you to Google tick eggs because it's gross.
24:56
SPEAKER_03: Like nothing.
24:57
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, female ticks can lay like 2,000 to 5,000 eggs at a time.
25:02
SPEAKER_03: Um, but they start up in like the larvae stage, then they need a blood meal, they shed their skin, they become a nymph.
25:11
SPEAKER_03: Then they take a blood meal, they'd shed their skin and become an adult.
25:15
SPEAKER_03: So there's like three phases in their life where they feed.
25:19
SPEAKER_03: And the most common stage for it to be transmitted, lawn disease to be transmitted, is during the nymph stage.
25:27
SPEAKER_03: Nymphs are like the size of a poppy seed.
25:30
SPEAKER_03: So a tick check is gonna catch some sometimes.
25:36
SPEAKER_03: But if it's like a poppy seed and you have a lot of freckles or a lot of moles or a lot of whatever.
25:41
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, you you may not catch them.
25:43
SPEAKER_03: So my my notes say tick checks important, but prevention is importantter.
25:50
SPEAKER_03: More so importantter.
25:51
SPEAKER_03: Importanter.
25:55
SPEAKER_03: So preventing tick bites when you go outside.
25:58
SPEAKER_03: I mean, being in tall grass in the woods.
26:01
SPEAKER_03: Um, our pets.
26:03
SPEAKER_03: Our pets are a big thing.
26:04
SPEAKER_03: They come in the house, they carry ticks, and they like drop off their bodies when they're black and curly, like you're you're devoted.
26:11
SPEAKER_03: Um but yeah, if you're an outside person and we want you to be outside, like high or garden or whatever, it's just really important to either not well, not either, both prevent and do tick-tics too.
26:23
SPEAKER_03: So long sleeves, long pants, tucking your shirts to your pants, tucking your shoes to your not your shoes, your socks to your pants, tuck your shoes and wear like clothes-toe shoes, don't wear crocs in the garden.
26:37
SPEAKER_03: Like well, all the things that I do.
26:39
SPEAKER_01: So I you okay.
26:40
SPEAKER_01: Well, I used to be a geologist, so long story, that's for another day.
26:44
SPEAKER_01: But I that's what we used to do.
26:45
SPEAKER_01: We used to tape our pants and our long sleeve shirts and wear like colors, pants and shirts, just so we could see them and they yeah, yeah, yeah, I think to see them because that's you can kind of sh if they're not attached to you, you can swash them off before you go inside.
26:59
SPEAKER_03: So but uh prevention too.
27:03
SPEAKER_03: I mean, those are non-medicinal ways, but there's also DEET, DEET, Icaridin, and there's permethrin infused clothing combined Canada now, which is crazy.
27:13
SPEAKER_03: But I mean, just check yourself.
27:16
SPEAKER_03: Don't slather DEET all over if you don't need to, and it's not really that effective anyway.
27:23
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so I I did science with a with a tick one time because I had a tick on me, and then I was like, I should see what essential oils because I'm me.
27:32
SPEAKER_01: I so I literally had a we had just had pizza, so it was a pizza box, and I put one essential oil across one side and made a little box and put the tick inside of it, and he drowned in the essential oil.
27:42
SPEAKER_01: So um the results were incongruitive.
27:46
SPEAKER_01: My science was incongru.
27:48
SPEAKER_01: The research so but again, I don't have many times.
27:51
SPEAKER_01: I was like looking for a tick after that so I could redo my science, but we don't get them because we never tell them.
27:58
SPEAKER_03: Um so yeah, prevent them.
28:00
SPEAKER_03: But also when you're outside, if you're out gardening, if you're out in the woods, when before you come into the house, like shake your clothes off.
28:06
SPEAKER_03: There's always that tape trick too where you wrap tape around your hand and kind of stick them on your clothes.
28:11
SPEAKER_03: Hot dryer for 10 minutes, you'll kill ticks, is what the GC Canada tells me.
28:18
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
28:18
SPEAKER_03: Um, so either throw your clothes right in the washer and then make sure they go in a hot dryer afterward, or just throw them right in a hot dryer right off the bat for 10 minutes and then just shower immediately after tick check.
28:27
SPEAKER_03: So did not know that.
28:30
SPEAKER_03: As a pharmacist, we in Nova Scotia can prescribe for um prophylaxis of Lyme disease.
28:37
SPEAKER_03: So if you get a tick bite and you pull it off you, you can get a single dose of doxy to prevent Lyme.
28:43
SPEAKER_03: Not 100% effective, but it's okay.
28:46
SPEAKER_03: And then if you have early localized Lyme disease, which I'm gonna get into in a minute, um, we can also treat for that.
28:53
SPEAKER_03: So, one thing that I like to give everybody when they come in for like Lyme disease questions or a tick bite, on the Government of Canada website, there's a pamphlet called Enjoy the Outdoors Without a Tick.
29:05
SPEAKER_03: It has all the prevention stuff, it has all the, you know, what to do if this happens, blah, blah, blah.
29:10
SPEAKER_03: It's a really good pamphlet.
29:11
SPEAKER_03: You can just download it.
29:13
SPEAKER_03: Um, because Lyme disease, if you do contract Lyme disease, it is treatable.
29:17
SPEAKER_03: My note here says no treatment equals bad.
29:21
SPEAKER_03: If you don't treat it, it could potentially be very, it could be life-threatening actually if you don't treat Lyme disease.
29:26
SPEAKER_03: But with proper treatment, the prognosis is really good.
29:29
SPEAKER_03: Um and it's like a it's a downer.
29:32
SPEAKER_01: It's a it's a bad one.
29:33
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it makes you as tired as me.
29:36
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, it can.
29:38
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
29:38
SPEAKER_03: Not unless you try unless you treat it.
29:39
SPEAKER_03: But it's so if you have a tick on you, if you find a tick, because I've had people come into the clinic too, and they're like, ah, like they've lift up their shirt, they're like, I couldn't take it off because they're they they're totally disgusted by them.
29:51
SPEAKER_03: Um, the best way to take off a tick is use like clean tweezers.
29:55
SPEAKER_03: Obviously, don't use dirty tweezers.
29:58
SPEAKER_03: Uh you laugh.
30:00
SPEAKER_03: I know.
30:00
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I know.
30:01
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
30:01
SPEAKER_03: And then healthcare too.
30:02
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
30:03
SPEAKER_03: But you grab the the attachment parts of the mouth or the whatever of the tick and you pull it straight out.
30:09
SPEAKER_03: It's gonna resist because it puts like a little cement in there.
30:12
SPEAKER_03: It's really fucking weird.
30:13
SPEAKER_03: But um you pull it out.
30:15
SPEAKER_03: If the mouth remains in your skin, if you can take it out with the tweezers without poking and prodding around, do it as long as your tweezers are clean.
30:25
SPEAKER_03: If you have to go in and really like fight with it, just leave it.
30:28
SPEAKER_03: Your body will reject it, it will come out itself.
30:31
SPEAKER_03: People don't believe when I say that, but you're more likely to get an infection from poking with the tweezers than you are from you know, that the mouth isn't going to cause you to get Lyme disease.
30:42
SPEAKER_03: So it's the tick's dead.
30:44
SPEAKER_03: It's just a matter of there's a little particle in there, it will come out, it'll work its way out like a splinter.
30:48
SPEAKER_01: And even if it gets in, chances are your body won't like your body won't.
30:52
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, if that little bit gets in.
30:54
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
30:54
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
30:54
SPEAKER_03: But yeah, don't poke around because um you could there's more chance of infection otherwise.
30:59
SPEAKER_03: But clean the area with soap and water.
31:02
SPEAKER_03: And if you want, when we do an assessment in the pharmacy clinic for a tick bite, we're supposed to identify that the tick is black legged.
31:11
SPEAKER_03: So if you keep the tick, throw them in a Ziploc bag or like a mason jar or something, and just keep it.
31:16
SPEAKER_01: Don't worry about killing it.
31:17
SPEAKER_03: No, they will last forever.
31:20
SPEAKER_03: Um, so yeah, just keep it.
31:22
SPEAKER_03: And then if you're ever wondering what kind there's there's is some identification things online too.
31:27
SPEAKER_03: Like E-Tick has an app.
31:29
SPEAKER_03: You can take a picture and someone will tell you what kind of tick it is most likely.
31:32
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
31:33
SPEAKER_03: Um, but you have a tick on, you took it off, and now now I won't eat anywhere.
31:38
SPEAKER_03: You take the tick off and you're like, I don't know how long it was there.
31:42
SPEAKER_03: You see if it was engorged.
31:44
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
31:44
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
31:45
SPEAKER_01: The old butt, yeah, the old booty.
31:48
SPEAKER_03: Do you need treatment?
31:49
SPEAKER_03: No.
31:50
SPEAKER_03: Not always.
31:51
SPEAKER_03: So this is in order to treat for prevention of Lyme disease from a tick bite, there has to be like four criteria has to meet.
32:00
SPEAKER_03: So you have to identify it, it has to be a deer tick.
32:03
SPEAKER_03: It has to have been removed within the last 72 hours.
32:06
SPEAKER_03: So if you took a tick off two weeks ago and have it in your jar and you go in like two weeks later and be like, should I I can't give you a dose then because it's it's not effective at all then.
32:15
SPEAKER_03: Um so within 72 hours.
32:17
SPEAKER_03: If we're in if you're in a high-risk area and all of Nova Scotia, most of Ontario and parts of Quebec are all high risk.
32:25
SPEAKER_03: So that's a that's a mark anyway.
32:28
SPEAKER_03: New Brunswick is not all high risk yet.
32:31
SPEAKER_03: It's gonna be but it's all like a more southern provinces, like Ontario and Quebec deep into the States.
32:37
SPEAKER_03: Um high-risk area, which is everyone gets a point for that, and it has to be attached for at least 24 hours.
32:45
SPEAKER_03: Most sources say 36 because it cannot transmit Lyme disease until it's attached and feeding for like 24 hours.
32:54
SPEAKER_01: So can you look at it and tell by how engorged it is or will it not be?
32:58
SPEAKER_01: If it's engorged at all, it's feeding.
33:00
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
33:00
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
33:01
SPEAKER_03: So if it's engorged, if it's feeding, then you want to take it off and you want to treat yourself.
33:05
SPEAKER_03: Because that it being the that means blood's being transferred.
33:08
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
33:10
SPEAKER_03: So identify as a deer tick, pull it off within three days, we're in a high-risk area, and how long it's been attached.
33:16
SPEAKER_03: So if you don't know how long it's been attached and you don't know if it's engorged, I don't refuse treatment because of that.
33:23
SPEAKER_03: If it matches all the other criteria, then we're we're doing it.
33:28
SPEAKER_03: Um but that means a single dose of doxycycline.
33:32
SPEAKER_03: So you get 200 milligrams of doxycycline, which is not the greatest antibiotic to take.
33:36
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, just a pill.
33:37
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's two.
33:37
SPEAKER_03: It's a two, two pills right away.
33:41
SPEAKER_03: It can be really hard in your stomach.
33:43
SPEAKER_03: So people are like, just give me the antibiotic.
33:45
SPEAKER_03: It's like that's great in theory, but doxycycline can cause like a lot of nausea.
33:49
SPEAKER_03: It's a diarrhea.
33:50
SPEAKER_03: Vomiting immediately.
33:51
SPEAKER_03: Immediately.
33:52
SPEAKER_03: I mean, antibiotics when you don't need antibiotics.
33:56
SPEAKER_03: We we really try to avoid antibiotics when we when we don't need them, which is why I started with soniositis, because that's one of the most over-prescribed conditions.
34:04
SPEAKER_03: Um, but if it meets those things, we give them a dose of doxy.
34:10
SPEAKER_03: Uh do they go on their way and forget about it completely?
34:13
SPEAKER_03: No, because it's not 100%.
34:14
SPEAKER_03: It's not going to prevent it 100%.
34:16
SPEAKER_03: So this is when uh we get into the stages of Lyme disease.
34:20
SPEAKER_03: So early localized Lyme disease is localized means one spot.
34:25
SPEAKER_03: So where the tick bit you, it's not uncommon to have like a reaction, an allergic reaction to the tick bite.
34:33
SPEAKER_03: Ticks bite with like this, their saliva, and there's like little anesthetics in it, like little numbing things so you don't feel when they bite you.
34:40
SPEAKER_03: Sometimes they're just too small, you don't know when they bite anyway, but there can be an allergic reaction to the saliva that they kind of they bite you with.
34:49
SPEAKER_03: It's all about the size of the reaction.
34:52
SPEAKER_03: So if you have a tick bite and the the circle around it is less than five centimeters in diameter.
34:58
SPEAKER_03: So from side to side.
35:01
SPEAKER_03: And it's within the first day or two after you take the tick, it's probably just a reaction from having the tick on you or from pulling it off or from like poking around at it.
35:10
SPEAKER_03: Um, we don't treat that's not bullseye.
35:13
SPEAKER_03: That's that's just a local reaction from from the tick biting you.
35:18
SPEAKER_03: Um bullseye rashes, they're not always a bullseye.
35:23
SPEAKER_03: I don't want to say like I've seen more, I've seen more, they're called erythema migraines, but the the Lyme disease rash will develop where the tick has bitten you, but it will be over five centimeters in diameter.
35:36
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
35:36
SPEAKER_03: So if you come to the clinic and you have uh a bullseye rash that's over five centimeters, it's bullseye don't always start right away either.
35:46
SPEAKER_03: It can be like between three and seven days after a tick bite.
35:49
SPEAKER_03: So you could have already had the prophylactic dose.
35:51
SPEAKER_03: You're five days later and you're like, uh, now I have this rash.
35:55
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, then you need treatment.
35:57
SPEAKER_03: You need treatment for early line because that prophylactic dose didn't prevent it.
36:02
SPEAKER_03: Um, but that's why you have to be really diligent because you get a tick bite, you treat it, you forget about it, and you're just like, oh, a week and a half later, you're like, oh, I don't feel well.
36:10
SPEAKER_03: And it's like we're so busy that we don't think back.
36:13
SPEAKER_03: Like that's it's one other reason it's good to keep them because you can kind of put a date in the bag and say, This is the day that I pulled it off.
36:20
SPEAKER_03: Um, because that rash will develop usually within like three to seven days after you have it.
36:25
SPEAKER_03: Not everyone gets a bullseye rash.
36:27
SPEAKER_03: Sometimes there's no rash at all.
36:30
SPEAKER_01: So, what are some other signs and symptoms?
36:32
SPEAKER_01: Let me tell you early line.
36:34
SPEAKER_03: Let me tell you.
36:34
SPEAKER_03: Please tell me flu-like.
36:36
SPEAKER_03: So fever, not feeling good, fatigue, headache, and muscle pain are like swollen lymph nodes, usually around.
36:42
SPEAKER_03: Like if you get a tick bite on your on your arm, like the armpit, lymph node will be swollen.
36:48
SPEAKER_03: If you got one on your chest, sometimes the neck lymph node will be swollen.
36:51
SPEAKER_03: But it's more localized.
36:52
SPEAKER_03: So important to note too, it can look different on different color skin.
36:56
SPEAKER_03: So dark skin, black skin, the rashes aren't necessarily red.
36:59
SPEAKER_03: Obviously, they can be purple.
37:01
SPEAKER_03: Um, but it's not always the bullseye, which is important to know.
37:04
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because everyone thinks it's not bullseye or good.
37:07
SPEAKER_03: It can just be a big red spot.
37:10
SPEAKER_03: So if you well, important to note too, uh, Lyme disease rash is not itchy, it's not painful, it's at the site of the tick bite, and it usually is a pretty good circle.
37:24
SPEAKER_00: So five center, five center.
37:26
SPEAKER_03: Right, cyndrome.
37:28
SPEAKER_03: So some differential diagnosis, if you have a spot, especially after you took the tick off and it's really itchy and it's like it's sore, it's probably a reaction.
37:38
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
37:38
SPEAKER_03: But there's also there's ringworm, which is that's another that's another day.
37:43
SPEAKER_03: A similar like a round rash that you get.
37:46
SPEAKER_03: Um cellulitis, which can be from poking and prodding around any like cellulitis and cellulitis is everywhere.
37:54
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but that's usually warm to the touch and it's it's painful and it's storm.
37:59
SPEAKER_03: It usually swells.
38:00
SPEAKER_03: A Lyme disease rash doesn't usually do that.
38:02
SPEAKER_03: It's usually pretty easy.
38:04
SPEAKER_03: Okay, I didn't know that.
38:05
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, just it's just there, and that's why it's so important to check for them because you remember when Bob had Lyme.
38:11
SPEAKER_03: He had these rash on his back, he didn't know.
38:13
SPEAKER_03: Well, that's yeah, because he you can't feel them, they don't feel and they're not raised or anything.
38:17
SPEAKER_03: So that we call that early localized Lyme.
38:22
SPEAKER_03: So that those symptoms, flu like not feeling well, bullseye rash.
38:26
SPEAKER_03: You go to the pharmacy in Nova Scotia, they can prescribe for early Lyme disease.
38:30
SPEAKER_03: You get a 10-day course of dopsycycline.
38:34
SPEAKER_03: Or there's other treatments too.
38:36
SPEAKER_03: A doxycycline is a treatment of choice, and you treat it.
38:41
SPEAKER_03: And prognose is really good.
38:42
SPEAKER_03: You usually recover completely if we treat with 10 days and you take them home and you take the full 10 days.
38:47
SPEAKER_03: And you take all of your prescriptions always.
38:50
SPEAKER_03: Because it is 10 days is really, really important.
38:53
SPEAKER_03: Um a lot of people don't finish antibiotics.
38:56
SPEAKER_03: I'm guilty of myself, but with Lyme, it's very important that you finish the full 10 days just to make sure that you get rid of the bacteria altogether.
39:05
SPEAKER_03: And then this is I'm not this that's kind of what we see most often.
39:10
SPEAKER_03: So early disseminated Lyme disease means like it's kind of starting to spread.
39:14
SPEAKER_03: So if you have multiple bullseye lesions on your body, not just where the tick bit you, if you have bell's palsy, which sometimes it can cause bell palsy, like a ticks or tick.
39:27
SPEAKER_03: Ticks artics, terrible weakness in your face, um, like cardiac things like shortness of breath and chest pain.
39:34
SPEAKER_03: Like that can all happen weeks to months after you have a tick bite.
39:37
SPEAKER_04: Okay.
39:37
SPEAKER_03: It can be caused by other things.
39:40
SPEAKER_03: It's very, very nonspecific.
39:41
SPEAKER_03: And then there's late Lyme disease, which is like makes your joint swell.
39:44
SPEAKER_03: And just think people with rheumatoid arthritis, yeah, you can't always distinguish it.
39:49
SPEAKER_03: So do should we test for it?
39:54
SPEAKER_03: No.
39:56
SPEAKER_03: Big old no.
39:57
SPEAKER_03: The answer is no.
39:58
SPEAKER_03: Big old no.
39:59
SPEAKER_03: No, they they did a lot of testing at first, but we don't build antibodies early.
40:07
SPEAKER_03: Like it takes a long time for us to build up antibodies, and the antibodies can last for your lifetime.
40:12
SPEAKER_03: So if you I go back to my husband had Lyme disease, and he got tested for it, it was positive, but he was it was probably like three months after he had it.
40:21
SPEAKER_03: He had early disseminated disease.
40:24
SPEAKER_03: So he had kind of all rashes all over him.
40:27
SPEAKER_03: Um, but he got tested and it was positive, but then he got tested another year after because this was when they used to test.
40:33
SPEAKER_03: And he's they said you're gonna be positive for the rest of your life, probably.
40:36
SPEAKER_03: If not, just a couple years, but yeah, you don't test to say, Oh yeah, my Lyme disease is gone because it's always gonna show up.
40:44
SPEAKER_01: Your immunity kind of building up your immunity.
40:46
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
40:46
SPEAKER_03: Which is important to note too immunity.
40:49
SPEAKER_03: If you get bit by tick and treat it for Lyme disease, does that make you immune forever?
40:53
SPEAKER_03: No, but absolutely not.
40:54
SPEAKER_03: But you know, many people believe that.
40:56
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
40:56
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
40:56
SPEAKER_03: They think it's like already, I already had Lyme disease, so I can't get it again.
41:00
SPEAKER_03: It's like that's not the case.
41:01
SPEAKER_03: Every single tick bite.
41:02
SPEAKER_03: No.
41:03
SPEAKER_03: That's actually nothing.
41:04
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
41:04
SPEAKER_03: Every single tick bite is the chance to contract Lyme disease if it's a black-legged tick.
41:08
SPEAKER_01: So I feel like that's not common knowledge, though.
41:10
SPEAKER_01: I feel like just because we are healthcare professionals, we wouldn't know that.
41:14
SPEAKER_01: But I feel like that's I wouldn't make fun of somebody if they didn't know that.
41:16
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
41:17
SPEAKER_01: I'd make fun of them for a lot of things.
41:18
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
41:19
SPEAKER_01: But not that.
41:21
SPEAKER_03: Okay, treatment.
41:22
SPEAKER_03: If you have early Lyme and you have like a fever and you're feeling fluish, you get the treatment, great, you start it, you're two days past and you still have a fever, it might not be Lyme.
41:32
SPEAKER_03: It might be Lyme, but it might be something else too.
41:34
SPEAKER_03: So if you're still fevered, if you're still feeling shitty at like two, three days after treatment starts, I mean, you probably should reassess the situation.
41:42
SPEAKER_03: Should you finish your antibiotic?
41:43
SPEAKER_03: Absolutely, you should.
41:45
SPEAKER_03: Absolutely, 100% every time.
41:46
SPEAKER_03: Because as a pharmacist, if you see a rash, if you see an early lime rash, I've seen a lot of them.
41:54
SPEAKER_03: If you don't see a lot of them, you kind of assume that's what it is.
41:57
SPEAKER_03: But generally they're associated with other symptoms too.
41:59
SPEAKER_03: Like just like feeling really shitty and really like low energy fatigue.
42:03
SPEAKER_03: But um So by the time the rash comes, you feel shitty, or you have to not necessarily.
42:09
SPEAKER_03: Because when my husband had it, he felt shiggy for five days.
42:13
SPEAKER_03: Like he's never slept so much in his life.
42:15
SPEAKER_03: So I was like, what is wrong with those, yeah, and then those multiple rashes came.
42:19
SPEAKER_03: Um 20% of people don't get a rash at all.
42:24
SPEAKER_01: So really cut and dry, really, really solid lines here.
42:29
SPEAKER_03: It's very nonspecific.
42:30
SPEAKER_03: But yeah, Lyme disease rash, get treatment.
42:33
SPEAKER_03: If you pull one off and it's kind of engorged and you're like, shit, come like get get a treatment, but it's not 100%.
42:39
SPEAKER_03: So you should always be kind of on the lookout when the high tick season.
42:43
SPEAKER_03: And you should just always try to prevent them as much as possible.
42:45
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
42:46
SPEAKER_01: I pulled one under my leg the other day, but it wasn't engorged.
42:49
SPEAKER_01: I knew it wasn't there for very long.
42:52
SPEAKER_01: And I yeah, that and and that was my science.
42:54
SPEAKER_01: That was, and then I drowned him in essential oils.
42:57
SPEAKER_01: Right.
42:57
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, right.
42:58
SPEAKER_01: Like it was the cedar wood that took him out.
43:00
SPEAKER_03: But the sheer quantity of it.
43:01
SPEAKER_03: It's the sheer liquid and him.
43:04
SPEAKER_03: So the new thing, Alpha Gal syndrome.
43:08
SPEAKER_03: This is the one that everyone's scared of.
43:09
SPEAKER_03: It's like the lone star tick.
43:11
SPEAKER_03: Not all lone star ticks carry alpha gal.
43:14
SPEAKER_03: And alpha gal is a sugar that's not in humans, but it's in cows, it's in pigs.
43:25
SPEAKER_03: Because that's why when we get bit by lone star tick, it injects a sugar protein like alpha gal.
43:32
SPEAKER_03: And anytime we eat those things that have alpha gal, it is a black too.
43:36
SPEAKER_03: Or I thought it was boring too.
43:38
SPEAKER_03: Oh, pigs and cows.
43:40
SPEAKER_03: Because chicken, turkeys, fish, um, like eggs.
43:44
SPEAKER_03: Deer.
43:45
SPEAKER_03: What about deer meat?
43:46
SPEAKER_03: Deer, uh, I assume.
43:47
SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
43:48
SPEAKER_03: Didn't it wasn't in my research?
43:50
SPEAKER_03: It wasn't in my research.
43:51
SPEAKER_03: According to my research.
43:52
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
43:53
SPEAKER_03: But uh it doesn't mean you can't eat meat altogether.
43:55
SPEAKER_03: It's it is red meat, though.
43:56
SPEAKER_03: And it can the symptoms can range.
43:58
SPEAKER_03: Like you can just have you can get highs from it.
44:00
SPEAKER_03: Not everyone that has alpha gal syndrome is going to have that reaction to meat.
44:04
SPEAKER_03: Um, but it could it could be like full-blown anaphylactic reaction.
44:10
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
44:10
SPEAKER_03: So it is, it is scary.
44:12
SPEAKER_03: So which is, you know, protect yourself, man.
44:15
SPEAKER_03: Ticser dicks.
44:17
SPEAKER_01: So in summary, at the end of the day, ticks or dick to wrap up, ticks or dicks.
44:22
SPEAKER_03: But I feel like that was a lot of information.
44:24
SPEAKER_03: And I tried to dumb it down.
44:25
SPEAKER_03: Hopefully, I did a little bit.
44:26
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, no, I learned I learned a lot.
44:28
SPEAKER_03: I learned a lot about town, too.
44:30
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, there you go.
44:31
SPEAKER_03: Dick for towel.
44:32
SPEAKER_03: We're all here to stick for doll.
44:35
SPEAKER_03: Stick for doll.
44:36
SPEAKER_03: Stick for doll.
44:37
SPEAKER_03: So episode two.
44:39
SPEAKER_03: It's just done.
44:39
SPEAKER_03: That's our time.
44:40
SPEAKER_03: I don't try not to keep make these too long.
44:43
SPEAKER_03: Um, just if you listen to the ones drawing to work or that and before my kid gets old to start screaming.
44:49
SPEAKER_01: So our time is is it's limited.
44:53
SPEAKER_01: Um yeah.
44:55
SPEAKER_01: So what's the what's the what did you say you're gonna do?
44:58
SPEAKER_01: A recommendation?
44:59
SPEAKER_01: Oh, the dick for dolly for ticks.
45:01
SPEAKER_03: The dick for dolly is the tick for dolly.
45:05
SPEAKER_03: Oh, it's right there.
45:06
SPEAKER_03: It's right there.
45:07
SPEAKER_03: Right there.
45:07
SPEAKER_03: But prevention.
45:09
SPEAKER_03: Prevention.
45:09
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
45:10
SPEAKER_03: Not everyone needs antibiotics.
45:11
SPEAKER_03: I I do try to prevent antibiotics.
45:13
SPEAKER_03: Watch and wait is definitely most of the time preferred.
45:18
SPEAKER_03: Definitely most of the time.
45:19
SPEAKER_03: Definitely most of the time.
45:19
SPEAKER_03: I'm 100%.
45:21
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
45:24
SPEAKER_01: Maybe.
45:24
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
45:25
SPEAKER_01: Heard maybe.
45:25
SPEAKER_01: Good.
45:26
SPEAKER_01: But yeah, check with your pharmacist.
45:27
SPEAKER_01: Check with your doctor.
45:28
SPEAKER_01: Check with your pharmacist.
45:29
SPEAKER_03: Or we do a lot of prescribing line because it's so prevalent and it's easy.
45:34
SPEAKER_03: A lot of people don't know you can go to the pharmacy to get treated.
45:36
SPEAKER_03: That's not just a clinic thing either.
45:38
SPEAKER_03: That can be any pharmacy in Nova Scotia can prescribe.
45:41
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they have signs.
45:42
SPEAKER_01: A lot of them have signs now.
45:43
SPEAKER_01: I know percent have a sign.
45:44
SPEAKER_03: I don't know if Lawrence does, but important to note too, with pharmacy, you can't just walk in off the street and expect to be seen.
45:51
SPEAKER_03: A lot of pharmacies now are appointment-based.
45:53
SPEAKER_03: Like they're fucking busy, man.
45:54
SPEAKER_03: They're so busy.
45:55
SPEAKER_03: And you can't, just because you can't get in and talk to pharmacists right then and get your prescription, like it takes time to do an assessment.
46:01
SPEAKER_03: So don't be a dank if they don't be dank if it's divertible.
46:06
SPEAKER_03: If it's another day, you have 72 hours when you pull it off.
46:11
SPEAKER_03: I mean, it it's just it's a busy, it's a busy time, it's a busy profession.
46:15
SPEAKER_01: And don't be rude to your pharmacists.
46:17
SPEAKER_00: They'll Yeah.
46:19
SPEAKER_03: I don't know what they'll do, but they will be happy about it.
46:22
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
46:22
SPEAKER_03: Everyone's busy, healthcare's busy, healthcare's busy.
46:25
SPEAKER_03: No one has a doctor.
46:26
SPEAKER_03: So there's the questions that come every day are it's they're plentiful, I will say.
46:30
SPEAKER_01: Plentiful and redundant.
46:31
SPEAKER_03: A lot of decisions to make every day.
46:33
SPEAKER_03: A lot of clinical decisions, a lot of decision fatigue.
46:36
SPEAKER_01: So you're a mother and so many decisions to be made every day.
46:40
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
46:41
SPEAKER_03: But just be kind.
46:42
SPEAKER_03: Just be so really, don't be a dick.
46:45
SPEAKER_03: Don't be a dick.
46:45
SPEAKER_03: Don't be a tick.
46:46
SPEAKER_03: Life is hard.
46:47
SPEAKER_03: Don't be a dick.
46:48
SPEAKER_03: Don't be a dick.
46:50
SPEAKER_03: Love you.