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Convicted sex offender walks free on technicality, kills two Arizona girls · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: thinking I thought he has wit she has. There's no
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Speaker 1: medical conditions, she's help. No allergies and medical conditions here
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Speaker 1: at all. No, I didn't hear anything at all. You're
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Speaker 1: hearing raw nine one one call when a little girl
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Speaker 1: goes missing from her own bedroom in the last hours,
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Speaker 1: a stunning break in the case and the disappearance of
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Speaker 1: Isabel Sillys I, Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank
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Speaker 1: you for being with us. Joining me. Karen Start, New
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Speaker 1: York psychologist, Joe Scott Morgan joining me. Forensics expert, author
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Speaker 1: of Blood Beneath My Feet. Ashley Wilcott, judge, lawyer, founder
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Speaker 1: of child Crime watch dot Com. Jennifer Sakowski, reporter with
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Speaker 1: Crime Online dot Com, and special guests Joining me. The
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Speaker 1: founder of Class Kids Foundation, crime victim Mark class Mark.
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Speaker 1: I remember distinctly when Isabel Silly's first went missing, and
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Speaker 1: the circumstances surrounding her disappearance were very, very unusual. The
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Speaker 1: whole family had been out to us softball park the
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Speaker 1: night before. They had stayed there late. Everybody came back.
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Speaker 1: They were up a little late, but the whole family
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Speaker 1: was home that night. I saw the home myself. There's
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Speaker 1: a large, solid Adobe style fence around the backyard with
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Speaker 1: a gate that a purple would have to get through
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Speaker 1: or over to get into Isabel's window. The dog didn't
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Speaker 1: bark nothing. Do you recall when Isabel went missing? Mark
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Speaker 1: unfortunately recall it and actually not recall it because at
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Speaker 1: the time it's seemed so similar to what happened to Pauli.
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Speaker 1: A little girl minding her own business, doing absolutely nothing,
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Speaker 1: and the sanctity of her own and her own home
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Speaker 1: when she goes missing, and amazingly, nobody hears or sees
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Speaker 1: a thing. The dog doesn't even bark. Now when you compare,
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Speaker 1: and this is what through authorities off at the beginning,
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Speaker 1: When you compare the father's nine one one call, which
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Speaker 1: were about to listen to with the mother, she is frantic,
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Speaker 1: she is beside herself, the father extremely calm. Cops didn't
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Speaker 1: like that, but as you will learn from any defense attorneys,
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Speaker 1: there is no playbook for shock or grief or sorrow.
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Speaker 1: To Jennifer Sigowski Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, Let's
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Speaker 1: start at the beginning, what happened. I think we should
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Speaker 1: start the night before, Jennifer. The night before. Isabel was
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Speaker 1: enjoying a softball game with her family the night before,
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Speaker 1: and you know, I know you said, this is an
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Speaker 1: extremely passionate case for you. Mom had gone to work
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Speaker 1: the next morning. The husband, Sergio Sellis, is the one
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Speaker 1: who called nine one one and said that he thought
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Speaker 1: Isabel had been abducted from her home. Called the father's comminition.
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Speaker 1: I guess because he sure seemed to know. He did
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Speaker 1: seem very calm, but he seemed to know. He went
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Speaker 1: to get her up for her base talk game and
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Speaker 1: she was gone. She simply vanished into a We're talking
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Speaker 1: about a beautiful little girl who vanishes from her own home,
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Speaker 1: you know, Mark, Class, victim's advocate found of Class Kids Foundation.
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Speaker 1: What are the statistics about when children vanish? How often
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Speaker 1: is it a stranger? How often do they vanish from
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Speaker 1: their own home? How often is it family related or
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Speaker 1: someone they know? Well, that's a big question. Stranger pure
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Speaker 1: stranger reductions, according to the National Center for Mission and
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Speaker 1: Exploited Children, occurred somewhere under a hundred and fifty times
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Speaker 1: per year, and this was out of about six hundred
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Speaker 1: thousand children that are recorded missing every year. The vast
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Speaker 1: majority of both children somewhere overt are considered runaway um.
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Speaker 1: The next highest category our family involved abductions where supposedly,
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Speaker 1: started to say, a non custom odeal father or mother
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Speaker 1: will take the child as a way of getting back
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Speaker 1: to the custodial parents. And then you have acquaintance types
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Speaker 1: of abductions where it's somebody that's known to the family.
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Speaker 1: But when you get down to this, when you squeeze
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Speaker 1: this down to to the pure stranger abduction, which is
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Speaker 1: exactly what it looks likes about situation is it happens
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Speaker 1: very rarely in our society. And then we have about
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Speaker 1: twenty four hours to be able to really we have
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Speaker 1: about three hours to be able to recover those children
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Speaker 1: because statistically, of the children that are murdered as a
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Speaker 1: result of an abduction, seventy will be dead within the
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Speaker 1: first three hours. You know what Mark class When you
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Speaker 1: say that, well, pretty much when you say anything, we
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Speaker 1: believe it because you're not speaking just from experience, You're
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Speaker 1: speaking from the heart. We all are familiar with Polly,
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Speaker 1: your daughter who was taken from her home. She was
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Speaker 1: even at a little spind the night party of girls
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Speaker 1: over at her home. She was taken from her own
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Speaker 1: home during the night. And of course police first, as
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Speaker 1: they always, and they should focus on you, the friends,
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Speaker 1: the neighbors that this and you are the gold standard.
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Speaker 1: Mark Class. You're like here, I'll take a Polly, I'll
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Speaker 1: take you. Take my d n A, search my place,
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Speaker 1: search my car, do whatever you want so you can
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Speaker 1: get past me and find my daughter. You are the example.
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Speaker 1: And as she Willcott juven I'll judge lawyer, founder of
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Speaker 1: child crime watch dot com. When Class says, you know,
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Speaker 1: after three hours it's over. That To this day I've
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Speaker 1: heard him say it a thousand times. It gives me
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Speaker 1: chills and chill bumps, because it's true. After the child
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Speaker 1: has gone three hours, at the likelihood of getting the
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Speaker 1: child back a light it's drastically reduced. It's almost impossible.
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Speaker 1: And that's true. Nancy Statist sickly that after that amount
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Speaker 1: of time, generally typically they absolutely are no longer alive, tragically,
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Speaker 1: and this is every parents worst nightmare that Mark Class
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Speaker 1: has lived, and that is stranger stranger abduction. Can you
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Speaker 1: imagine you go to sleep, you have your child in
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Speaker 1: the bed everything's good. You wake up the next morning
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Speaker 1: and your six year old is missing. This is every
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Speaker 1: parents nightmare, you know, Karen Stark, New York psychologist, Whenever
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Speaker 1: I talk about a missing child or I cover it,
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Speaker 1: you know, I sleep in the room with the twins
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Speaker 1: that night and for nights after. I can't help myself
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Speaker 1: because what she said is true. It's almost like there's
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Speaker 1: nothing you can do to guard against it. Because in
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Speaker 1: this case with Isabel Sils, everything was fine. The mom
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Speaker 1: was home, the dad was home, the brother was home,
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Speaker 1: the dog was there laying in the floor ready to
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Speaker 1: bark his head off. Everything was fine, and then she's gone.
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Speaker 1: I mean, where does that leave the rest of us?
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Speaker 1: But it's obviously it's something that when you think about
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Speaker 1: what happened to Mark Dancy, it's just terrific because it's
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Speaker 1: it's so much every parents worst nightmare that they don't
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Speaker 1: let themselves go there most of the time. And then
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Speaker 1: you hear something like this and you think, how could
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Speaker 1: this possibly happen? It's shocking, how could a stranger into
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Speaker 1: your house? And you understand that you're left with this
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Speaker 1: bafflement and this horror of having lost your child. So
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Speaker 1: hopeful being that they're going to be killed most of
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Speaker 1: the time, because nobody wants to have a little kid
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Speaker 1: around and abdusted and then have to say exactly, that's
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Speaker 1: something that happened to them, you know. To Joseph Scott Morgan,
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Speaker 1: professor of forensics at Jacksonville State University, author of Blood
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Speaker 1: Beneath My Feet, Let's quickly look at the timeline, Joe Scott,
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Speaker 1: I want to hear what your analysis is. It was
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Speaker 1: a very balmy, a nice day it was in April.
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Speaker 1: And what we learned earn is that the night before,
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Speaker 1: Isabel went to bed late eleven PM. And I found
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Speaker 1: that significant and that's why I kept asking Jennifer to
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Speaker 1: start the night before, who was watching her at the
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Speaker 1: softball game at the park where they were, if anybody
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Speaker 1: were friend? Did friends come over? As a matter of fact,
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Speaker 1: I think they did come to the home after the game.
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Speaker 1: That's eleven PM before eight a m. Isabel's mother, Rebecca,
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Speaker 1: leaves her worked early early in the morning eight AM.
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Speaker 1: The family members wake up, they discover she's not in
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Speaker 1: her bed. They can't find her anywhere in the home.
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Speaker 1: They call nine one one. By that evening critical time
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Speaker 1: there they call eight am that evening the FBI search
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Speaker 1: dogs arrived from Virginia to aid in the search. Lost
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Speaker 1: a lot of time, right there, Joe Scott Morgan, a
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Speaker 1: lot of time twelve hours. Yeah, and that's key in
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Speaker 1: this case. You were talking about how that that critical
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Speaker 1: window of three hour or uh, Nancy, this is my
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Speaker 1: take on it relative to the way these people viewed children.
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Speaker 1: They stalk these children many times. They'll see these things,
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Speaker 1: uh that to them draw them in, these things being
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Speaker 1: these precious little angels that are out there. And then
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Speaker 1: after they have had their way with these children, they
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Speaker 1: become nothing more than objects and they just rip them
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Speaker 1: to shreds. And then at the end of the day,
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Speaker 1: we the investigators have to go back in and try
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Speaker 1: to apply what we're seeing at the scene to a timeline.
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Speaker 1: In this particular case, this occurred pretty quickly. I would
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Speaker 1: imagine Nancy, he saw her potentially at the softball game. Hey,
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Speaker 1: even something scarier. He may have been watching her for
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Speaker 1: days prior to that. He saw the family altogether. He
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Speaker 1: knew that it was gonna be a late night, and
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Speaker 1: he wait just a creptit to creep into the house
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Speaker 1: and extract this little girl from there to do what
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Speaker 1: he wanted to do with her. He would have anyone
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Speaker 1: that he would receive as an enemy, anybody that would
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Speaker 1: only grudge against you for any reason. That's the whole problem,
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Speaker 1: is that we don't understand why or how we made
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Speaker 1: east Other a target, because you know, we're her parents,
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Speaker 1: so we're like, what did we do? How did we
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Speaker 1: make her the target? And we this is a nightly,
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Speaker 1: daily hour thing that we're like constantly thinking, why is
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Speaker 1: it east of it? And we don't know I have
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Speaker 1: and we we go through our heads and who's been
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Speaker 1: in our house? And like we just said, for us,
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Speaker 1: we wanted everybody in anybody who's been around you so
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Speaker 1: that and in our house to be questioned to the
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Speaker 1: utmost the way we were just so that to hold
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Speaker 1: under the same scrutiny as us because we don't know,
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Speaker 1: and we're going round and round and round, and and yes,
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Speaker 1: it's extremely frustrating. It's extremely frustrating not having her back.
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Speaker 1: It's extremely frustrating. Even with the police department, we share
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Speaker 1: the same frustrations. We express our frustrations with them about
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Speaker 1: the investigation and everything, and they share them right back,
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Speaker 1: they share them right back. It isn't unspoken. And you know, again,
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Speaker 1: we do know that there's only so much information that
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Speaker 1: we're allowed to be told. And and again it's all
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Speaker 1: for protection of the Southern and not to interfere with anything.
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Speaker 1: We were talking about the disappearance of a beautiful young
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Speaker 1: girl just six years old from her home in Arizona,
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Speaker 1: isabel sell Us. Now her disappearance linked to another young girl,
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Speaker 1: Marabelle in the last days, a stunning twist in the
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Speaker 1: case back to the evening the morning that she goes missing.
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Speaker 1: Everything was normal. The mom gets up leaves. How many
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Speaker 1: times Ashley Wilcott, juvenile judge, lawyer and founder of child
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Speaker 1: crime watch dot com do you ever leave without looking
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Speaker 1: at your children asleep before you go out the front door? Never?
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Speaker 1: Not only that, I mean I always check on them.
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Speaker 1: As silly as it is, this is so crazy. We
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Speaker 1: can have a nice dinner, they do all their homework,
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Speaker 1: they go upstairs to bed. I go upstairs to go
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Speaker 1: to bed. When I go upstairs to go to bed,
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Speaker 1: I even check on them. Then I check on them
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Speaker 1: at all times because it's just a parental capacity. I
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Speaker 1: want to see lay eyes on my child, even in
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Speaker 1: my own home. She goes missing. The dogs are brought
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Speaker 1: annually twelve hours later, brought in from Quantico. Is twelve
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Speaker 1: hours too late? Joseph's got Morgan forensics expert professor forensics,
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Speaker 1: said Jacksonville State, author of Blood Beneath My Feet? Is
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Speaker 1: it too late by? Then? Don't they have local dogs?
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Speaker 1: Why why wait for dogs from Quantico? Yeah? That that's
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Speaker 1: kind of head scratcher, Nancy. I'm wondering, you know, why
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Speaker 1: why did they wait to come? This is a huge
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Speaker 1: distance that they have to come with these animals, and
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Speaker 1: I would think that that out there there would be
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Speaker 1: a group of canines that could go out and help
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Speaker 1: them in the search. But at any rate, that's what happened. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: after twelve hours, Nancy, you're talking about the trail really
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Speaker 1: going cold here, because you know, are you in the
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Speaker 1: midst of a rescue operation or are you you know,
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Speaker 1: are you at a point where you might have to
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Speaker 1: use cadaver dogs at that point? And that's a completely
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Speaker 1: different field. So I found that I found that very strange. Yes,
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Speaker 1: then they bring in the psychics. Time passes suddenly, we
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Speaker 1: all are baffled. When the father is barred from visiting
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Speaker 1: his son's new attention is now focused on the father.
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Speaker 1: Why let's take a listen to his nine one one call.
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Speaker 1: I want to report a missing person. My little girls
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Speaker 1: is six years old. I believe she was effected from
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Speaker 1: our house. As on the line to some police, I
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Speaker 1: will hello, I need to record a minting child. I
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Speaker 1: believe she was adopted from my house. Old years old. Okay,
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Speaker 1: is it your daughter? Yes? Why do you think she
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Speaker 1: was adopted? I have no idea. We woke up this morning.
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Speaker 1: I went to go get her up for her baseball game,
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Speaker 1: and she's gone. I woke up my my son's We
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Speaker 1: looked everywhere in the house, and my oldest unnoticed that
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Speaker 1: her window was wide open and the screen was laying
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Speaker 1: in the backyard. We've looked all around the house. My
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Speaker 1: sons are king. Yeah, my friends are running around the
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Speaker 1: house looking for her. The screen was on the ground outside.
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Speaker 1: What's tree? I guess what's your namer? My name is
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Speaker 1: Sergio sdr G I oh go on initial D. Last
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Speaker 1: name is C E L I S. I asked in
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Speaker 1: samp Okay, what's your name? He said that. I asked
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Speaker 1: B I S A B E L and as in
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Speaker 1: man is the middle initials Okay, same last name. Okay,
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Speaker 1: is mom? They're also is she just lets the work.
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Speaker 1: I just called her and I told her to get
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Speaker 1: her at homework. Okay, I get it to Mark Class,
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Speaker 1: victim's advocate and found of Class Kids Foundation. When I
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Speaker 1: heard that, I told her to get her But hump,
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Speaker 1: that put me on edge right there, Mark Class, because
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Speaker 1: that didn't sound right. It's still doesn't sound right. No,
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Speaker 1: it doesn't sound right. But what he's doing is he
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Speaker 1: is trying to pull it together. His little girl is missing,
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Speaker 1: and against all odds, he understands exactly what has gone on,
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Speaker 1: and he's trying to be calm. He's trying to notify police,
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Speaker 1: he's trying to keep everybody from panicking. And he did
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Speaker 1: a hell of a job doing that, Nancy. He did
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Speaker 1: such a great job of doing that that he brought
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Speaker 1: a lot of suspicion upon himself. Your suspicion from you,
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Speaker 1: suspicion from me, suspicion from so many other people. And
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Speaker 1: he held a good front. But I'll tell you what
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Speaker 1: I'll tell you Exactly what happened is that when nighttime comes,
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Speaker 1: when Sergio is alone in bed, when Sergio is thinking
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Speaker 1: about that he's dying inside, he's crying, he's begging God
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Speaker 1: to to bring his little girl back. And then in
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Speaker 1: the morning it snaps back into gear and he tells
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Speaker 1: himself that she's all right, that if he keeps it
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Speaker 1: together and if he works with the cops, he'll get
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Speaker 1: her home. And that's what kept Sergio going. And I,
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Speaker 1: for one, feels so terribly for even suspecting this man
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Speaker 1: who is doing exactly what he had to do for
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Speaker 1: his daughter, but just in a way that other people
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Speaker 1: couldn't comprehend it. You know what, Mark, again, you're absolutely correct,
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Speaker 1: But when a child is missing, ash Wilcot, statistically we
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Speaker 1: look at the father, uh sometimes the mother, the brothers,
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Speaker 1: the step brother is in the uncle's, the next foor, neighbors,
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Speaker 1: the grandparents, the cousins, the family friends, and you go
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Speaker 1: out from there. Of course, he's the first person you
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Speaker 1: look at. And that calm, cool demeanor, actually laughing on
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Speaker 1: the phone to nine one one. A lot of people
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Speaker 1: couldn't relate to that, Ashley. I mean, we were focused
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Speaker 1: on finding the girl and everybody was under in the crosshairs. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and it should be that way, regardless of a person's demeanor.
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Speaker 1: The family has to be considered a person of interest
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Speaker 1: upfront at the beginning, because in spite of this being
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Speaker 1: a stranger abduction, many many times that is not the case,
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Speaker 1: and it is it is at the hands of a caretaker,
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Speaker 1: a parent, a boyfriend, someone living in the home. So
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Speaker 1: they have to investigate those people. And again, if you're
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Speaker 1: a parent and your child's missing and you know you
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Speaker 1: didn't do it, investigate me. Do what you need. Here's
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Speaker 1: all of my blood, my t and a Why wouldn't
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Speaker 1: a parents say, I'll give you everything you need to
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Speaker 1: investigate me because I didn't do this, and you've got
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Speaker 1: to get off of me and find the person who
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Speaker 1: did it. Well, you're right, and so is Mark class.
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Speaker 1: But I want you to listen and compare the father
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Speaker 1: to the mother listening and he looked everywhere under the bed.
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Speaker 1: Almost there, man, Okay, where where is your husband and
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Speaker 1: your kids? Okay, she's up like for you, forty four
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Speaker 1: forty five inches long, she's um forty four pounds and hey,
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Speaker 1: Carly say brown browns and she has two little phrase
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Speaker 1: going to there like plenty child in her hair, so
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Speaker 1: she's like four point tails on each side. They go
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Speaker 1: down her and it's before in the middle four graded
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Speaker 1: pony toes. It's it's a two. It's like two braids.
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Speaker 1: Two braids, okay, but it's made with plentytails instead of
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Speaker 1: a braid. Any mark scars other than the window out.
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Speaker 1: It can't see anything else and the doors like her
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Speaker 1: outside since they had to have jumped over the fence
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Speaker 1: or I don't know what they did, but oh my god,
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Speaker 1: the comfort here. Can I just tak thank you. You
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Speaker 1: are hearing the mother of Isabel Selsa. She's on the
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Speaker 1: phone frantic. We were comparing her to the father. His
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Speaker 1: nine one call came under suspicion when he was so
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Speaker 1: incredibly calm reporting his daughter missing, even laughing at one point.
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Speaker 1: The little girl, six year old Isabel Sales, vanishes from
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Speaker 1: her bedroom on April one, midtown two Sun, Arizona. We
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Speaker 1: believe sometime between midnight and eight a m. The following morning.
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Speaker 1: What happened to Isabel supposedly lasting in her bedroom around
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Speaker 1: eleven that evening. The family had gotten home around ten
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Speaker 1: thirty pm the night before. Everybody took their showers and
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Speaker 1: went to bed, except for the dad. The dad climbing
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Speaker 1: to have stayed up later than everyone else in the family.
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Speaker 1: Of course, there's the mother, two sons. They were ten
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Speaker 1: and fourteen at the time. That night, he claims he
22:26
Speaker 1: was watching a baseball game until about midnight and mentioned
22:30
Speaker 1: Isabel's room was just on the other side of the
22:33
Speaker 1: wall where he was nearby. He says, quote, I was
22:38
Speaker 1: in the living room watching the Diamondbacks game at midnight.
22:42
Speaker 1: I fell asleep. I never heard anything weird, so I
22:45
Speaker 1: was just like on the on the other side of
22:48
Speaker 1: the wall from her. That is a chilling thought. The
22:54
Speaker 1: dad was also the first to notice that Isabel went
22:57
Speaker 1: missing the following morning, when he says he went to
23:00
Speaker 1: get her up and start her baseball game. Both the
23:04
Speaker 1: father and the older son called nine one one. You've
23:06
Speaker 1: heard pieces of that. That was close to nine am.
23:11
Speaker 1: An hour pass from the time they realized she was missing,
23:15
Speaker 1: and they call nine one one. A solid hour goes by.
23:20
Speaker 1: Then you hear the mother one when she gets back
23:23
Speaker 1: home from work, the father reporting she was wearing a
23:26
Speaker 1: pink tight eye shirt and navy blue shorts when she
23:30
Speaker 1: was last seen, the mom reporting her wearing an old
23:33
Speaker 1: navy shirt with the flag on it. What happened to Isabel?
23:39
Speaker 1: Then the older son the fourteen year old notices a
23:42
Speaker 1: screen to her window looked like it had been removed.
23:46
Speaker 1: Everyone was deflated when a pink tight eye shirt was
23:51
Speaker 1: found nearby, about thirty feet away from the home. Again
23:58
Speaker 1: in the backyard, and I've looked good at myself. There
24:01
Speaker 1: was a tall fence, a thick adobe style fence surrounding
24:06
Speaker 1: the backyard. You'd have to be able to get through
24:09
Speaker 1: the gate or climb over it. Chilling to hear, Mark Class,
24:16
Speaker 1: founder of Class Kids Foundation. The dad says he was
24:19
Speaker 1: just on the other side of the wall, her wall,
24:24
Speaker 1: her bedroom wall, separating the family room from her bedroom,
24:27
Speaker 1: and heard nothing. If that's true, that now takes the
24:31
Speaker 1: time to about one am to eight am, seven hours
24:37
Speaker 1: for someone to get in the home and take the
24:39
Speaker 1: little girl unheard. Oh my palms are sweaty because I
24:46
Speaker 1: think I'm kind of living my own, kind of my
24:49
Speaker 1: own situation here. Sergio. Sergio is a great father, And
24:56
Speaker 1: I just feel so bad that I ever suspected this
24:59
Speaker 1: man through even one minute, because you can tell by
25:03
Speaker 1: the frantic nature of his wife's nine one one call
25:06
Speaker 1: that that he knew he had to keep it together.
25:09
Speaker 1: Somebody had to keep it together, and The problem is
25:12
Speaker 1: natural is that we allow were forgiving nation. We allow
25:19
Speaker 1: people second chances and third chances and fourth chances. We
25:23
Speaker 1: take our children out to little ball games. We're the
25:25
Speaker 1: only people that are out there are the parents of
25:28
Speaker 1: other little kids, and perhaps somebody that might suspect that
25:33
Speaker 1: might want to cause harm to some of those children.
25:37
Speaker 1: So as carrying a father and as carrying as those
25:41
Speaker 1: parents were, and having an adobe wall between her and
25:45
Speaker 1: the rest of the world, it just wasn't enough. It
25:49
Speaker 1: just wasn't enough, And it wasn't enough because we're sexual
25:54
Speaker 1: for giving nation. We give people second chances and third
25:58
Speaker 1: chances and fourth chances. And now in the last days
26:05
Speaker 1: a stunning twist listen. Christopher Matthew Clements was indicted on
26:11
Speaker 1: multiple felony charges to include the murders of Isabel Mercedes
26:16
Speaker 1: Sellis and Marabelle Victoria Gonzalez. Clements was served the indictment
26:22
Speaker 1: at the Maricopa County Jail, where he is being held
26:26
Speaker 1: in conjunction with unrelated matters. As you were just hearing,
26:30
Speaker 1: Christopher Matthew Clements, who had just been released from federal
26:36
Speaker 1: prison for failure to register as a sex offender. His
26:41
Speaker 1: conviction overturned on a technicality. We are learning now this guy,
26:48
Speaker 1: Christopher Matthew Clements, moves into a home just two miles
26:53
Speaker 1: away from six year old Isabel Sellis. That's where she
26:58
Speaker 1: went missing us in one month later. I'm dumb struck.
27:06
Speaker 1: I am overwhelmed right now, because Mark class. The first
27:14
Speaker 1: thing you do once he's started the dogs looking, once
27:19
Speaker 1: you start looking for the girl, is you look for
27:22
Speaker 1: registered sex offenders in the area. He moves into a
27:27
Speaker 1: home just two miles away from her, How do I
27:30
Speaker 1: know she wasn't still alive? The problem is is that
27:34
Speaker 1: this guy's history indicates that he failed to register as
27:38
Speaker 1: a sex offender wherever he happened to be throughout the country,
27:43
Speaker 1: and he was never held accountable with that for that.
27:46
Speaker 1: Nobody ever said, well, you haven't registered, therefore you're going
27:50
Speaker 1: to go back to prison. What they would do is
27:53
Speaker 1: they would give him a pass and he would continue
27:55
Speaker 1: to fail to register. And he did that here, and
27:58
Speaker 1: he did that there, and he did that absolutely everywhere.
28:03
Speaker 1: So I'm not even sure that he was on the
28:05
Speaker 1: registry at that point. But you're exactly right. Megan's law
28:09
Speaker 1: registering sex offenders and giving the community the ability to
28:12
Speaker 1: find out who they are and where they are works
28:16
Speaker 1: in every one of the fifty states, and people should
28:19
Speaker 1: be using that registry. They should know who the predators are,
28:23
Speaker 1: who the registered sex offenders are in their community, and
28:27
Speaker 1: law enforcement should know it, and they should thoroughly bet
28:30
Speaker 1: these guys and check these guys out and make sure
28:33
Speaker 1: that their alibis are tight. And this is one boy
28:35
Speaker 1: whose alibi was absolutely not tight on the night that
28:39
Speaker 1: Isabelle disappeared. Jennifer Sakowski, investigative reporter, Crime online dot Com.
28:44
Speaker 1: What do we know about this guy's record? You know,
28:46
Speaker 1: we're talking about a convict with a long rap sheet,
28:51
Speaker 1: a very long rap sheet. So in the sustanding twenty
28:55
Speaker 1: years in four steets dating back to when he was
28:58
Speaker 1: just sixteen years old in Christopher, sexually penetrated a victim
29:04
Speaker 1: with a foreign object while staying in Oregon. He was
29:08
Speaker 1: sentenced to eighteen months imprisonment, followed by ten years of
29:12
Speaker 1: community supervision, which, as we know, that doesn't seem to
29:16
Speaker 1: have happened. In July two thousand two, he received a
29:20
Speaker 1: felony assault charge in King Cony, Washington. He pleaded guilty
29:25
Speaker 1: and was sentenced to a year of probation. About four
29:28
Speaker 1: months later after that, he was rested yet again on
29:33
Speaker 1: a felony charge by identity theft and a misdemeanor charge
29:36
Speaker 1: of obstructing keith officer. He pleaded guilty a month later
29:41
Speaker 1: and was again sentenced to one year of probation. In
29:47
Speaker 1: two thousand and six, he was charged with felony theft,
29:50
Speaker 1: making harassing calls, and violating a protective order. It really
29:55
Speaker 1: is unclear at this time with that case what is
29:59
Speaker 1: sentence may a been or for those charges. Did he
30:02
Speaker 1: just get probation again, I'm guessing, but there's not a
30:05
Speaker 1: lot of info on that. Now we jumped into two
30:09
Speaker 1: thousand six, Christopher was arrested in Florida for failing to
30:13
Speaker 1: register as a sex offender. One of the times after
30:18
Speaker 1: he attempted to file an interruption, you know, barrying harassment
30:21
Speaker 1: against the women from the area. That's when they figured
30:25
Speaker 1: out that he had failed to file as a sex offender.
30:28
Speaker 1: He pleaded no contest and was, you guested, sentenced to probation.
30:34
Speaker 1: In two thousand seven, he moved to Tucson, Arizona, where
30:38
Speaker 1: he once again these charges for failing to register as
30:42
Speaker 1: a sex offender. This time, he he got out on
30:46
Speaker 1: this technicality that he wasn't well, almost split out, that
30:50
Speaker 1: he was not read his mirandom rights. The charges were
30:53
Speaker 1: almost dropped, but he was re indicted. He was convicted
30:57
Speaker 1: and sentenced to forty six months in prison and along
31:01
Speaker 1: with five years of supervise relief. You know it, Just
31:04
Speaker 1: just wait a second, Wait a second, because I'm getting
31:06
Speaker 1: sick to my stomach. Uh, is anybody noticing beside me
31:11
Speaker 1: that every time he gets a slap on the wrist,
31:14
Speaker 1: I mean to you, Joe's caught, Morgan. You've been in
31:17
Speaker 1: plenty of of courtrooms. The judge has the rap sheet
31:21
Speaker 1: right in front of him or her. So why does
31:24
Speaker 1: this guy keep getting probation, probation, probation, over and over
31:28
Speaker 1: and over, early release, on and on and on and
31:31
Speaker 1: now Isabel is dead and her parents have been dragged
31:35
Speaker 1: through the mud. Yeah, yeah, it's it's like it's it's
31:39
Speaker 1: the path at least resistance. In the courts. They just
31:42
Speaker 1: disposed of this case as quickly as they can because
31:44
Speaker 1: he's just another face appearing in this course in their courts.
31:49
Speaker 1: Of course, that doesn't apply to Isabel, now, does it.
31:52
Speaker 1: He's not just another face He's a person that purposely
31:56
Speaker 1: went and removed the screen off of her window, Nancy
32:01
Speaker 1: off of her window, crept into her window, into the
32:06
Speaker 1: home of this family, and destroyed this little girl's life
32:10
Speaker 1: and her family's life as well. We miss you so much,
32:16
Speaker 1: he said. Your brothers miss you so much. We want
32:20
Speaker 1: you back. We're looking for you. We will not stop
32:24
Speaker 1: looking for you. We want you back more than anything
32:27
Speaker 1: else in the world. Were obviously we don't want to
32:30
Speaker 1: be here, but we will be in front of these cameras.
32:32
Speaker 1: We will talk to everyone we need to talk. We
32:35
Speaker 1: are starting to get out there even more. We are
32:37
Speaker 1: gathering up our strength. We do have to take care
32:39
Speaker 1: of her brothers, but we want you back, and we
32:42
Speaker 1: miss you so much. Your brothers miss you so much,
32:45
Speaker 1: and we are We're willing to do everything and anything
32:48
Speaker 1: we can. So we are doing, you know, getting in
32:51
Speaker 1: front of the places we don't want to be, and
32:54
Speaker 1: absolutely everything else. We have lots of things going on
32:57
Speaker 1: that we were part of the volunteer groups. We are
33:00
Speaker 1: going to be at these benefits and we are going
33:03
Speaker 1: to start being out in front. You're hearing Isabel's parents
33:08
Speaker 1: speaking out to the media about the search for their
33:11
Speaker 1: little girl, Isabel's sillys after they themselves, especially the father
33:15
Speaker 1: was attacked partially because of his demeanor. Was very calm, cool,
33:21
Speaker 1: even laughing at the time she went missing. Now we
33:24
Speaker 1: understand the turmoil inside of him. He was trying to
33:28
Speaker 1: stay calm and cool to find his daughter, the first
33:33
Speaker 1: one to report her missing, the last one to see
33:35
Speaker 1: her the night before suspicion turned on him. It was
33:38
Speaker 1: wrong the purp. Now we know a convicted sex offender
33:45
Speaker 1: who had moved just two miles away from Isabel's home
33:49
Speaker 1: within a month she was gone. To Jennifer Stigowski, Crime
33:53
Speaker 1: online dot Com investigative reporter, I want to talk to
33:56
Speaker 1: you about Marabel Gonzalez and how she relates to the
34:01
Speaker 1: disappearance of Isabel Sleas Because it was years before Isabel's
34:05
Speaker 1: body her remains were found buried in a rural area
34:09
Speaker 1: from an anonymous tip to police. How does that relate
34:13
Speaker 1: to Mirabel Gonzalez. Mary Bell left her home and two sons.
34:18
Speaker 1: It was less than a mile away from where sweet
34:21
Speaker 1: Isabel had vanished from. She was walking to a friend's house,
34:25
Speaker 1: but she never returned. Uh. Mary Bell's body was found
34:30
Speaker 1: two days after she was reported missing in a remote
34:33
Speaker 1: part of the northern to Son, and it's reported that
34:36
Speaker 1: it was in the general area of where Isabel's remains
34:40
Speaker 1: were found. Police discovered mary belt nude body lying under
34:45
Speaker 1: a mesquite tree, covered by two tires and lying faced out.
34:49
Speaker 1: Mirabel Gonzalez went missing from her home in Tucson and
34:55
Speaker 1: two thousand four, her body, as Jennifer just reported, was
35:01
Speaker 1: found several days later miles away in a deserted area
35:06
Speaker 1: near Trico Road. We also know that Isabel's body her remains,
35:12
Speaker 1: there was really nothing left of her, but her skull
35:15
Speaker 1: was found in a similar rural area. I'm just trying
35:22
Speaker 1: to figure out in answer to Jennifer's question why the
35:27
Speaker 1: two were not cooperating. There was several years between Isabel's
35:31
Speaker 1: disappearance and the other disappearance of marabelle Um. We still
35:37
Speaker 1: don't know how Isabel was killed, but we do know
35:43
Speaker 1: her clothes were not found with her, and like Marabel Gonzalez,
35:49
Speaker 1: who was also knew that indicates a sex motive. In
35:53
Speaker 1: the last hours, we are learning more and more about
35:56
Speaker 1: the man charged in not one, but two abduction and murders.
36:01
Speaker 1: I have no doubt in my mind he just got
36:03
Speaker 1: Morgan forensics expert. This is not his first time. You
36:07
Speaker 1: don't go from zero to one twenty overnight. I wonder
36:11
Speaker 1: if there are other dead bodies out there. Yeah, I'll
36:14
Speaker 1: do too, Nancy. And this is this is the curious
36:16
Speaker 1: thing about it. He's been in Florida, he's been in Oregon.
36:19
Speaker 1: That correct me if I'm wrong. I think he may
36:21
Speaker 1: have been in Washington State. And of course it's been
36:24
Speaker 1: in Arizona. And you see these movements and look everything
36:28
Speaker 1: that he does, all those other charges that you heard
36:30
Speaker 1: about this guy with theft and all these other things.
36:33
Speaker 1: They're just in broidering around the edges. There a means
36:36
Speaker 1: to an end to do what this guy is about,
36:38
Speaker 1: the ultimate heinous crime out there. He is certain he's
36:42
Speaker 1: a hunter. He's out there hunting these little children day
36:46
Speaker 1: after day. That's what this guy thinks about. It is
36:48
Speaker 1: what he obsesses about. And then you know, kind of
36:52
Speaker 1: kind of the finale here, these two little girls that
36:57
Speaker 1: we're talking about today, within close roximity of one another.
37:01
Speaker 1: It all came around in a great, big circle. I
37:03
Speaker 1: wonder how many other bodies are out there. Twice in
37:06
Speaker 1: just two years, a little twosung girl disappears and ends
37:10
Speaker 1: up dead and a spot of desert and rural Pema County.
37:16
Speaker 1: Isabel Salise and Marabel Victoria Gonzalez. They don't have a
37:21
Speaker 1: lot more in common. Isabel just six, Marabel thirteen. She
37:26
Speaker 1: disappeared walking to a friend's home. Isabel taken from her
37:30
Speaker 1: own home. But what they do have in common is
37:34
Speaker 1: Christopher Matthew Clements Mark class. Do you believe he was
37:40
Speaker 1: stalking these two girls. Of course he was stalking, there's
37:44
Speaker 1: one question about that. He stopped them, he saw them,
37:47
Speaker 1: and he stoked them. He took them, and he murdered them.
37:50
Speaker 1: That's what happened. And you know, another comment out what
37:53
Speaker 1: he is that these girls are victims of a criminal
37:56
Speaker 1: justice system that just completely sailed them in every way possible.
38:01
Speaker 1: What exactly were the judges thinking when they looked at
38:04
Speaker 1: this guy's twenty year rap sheet and continually gave him
38:08
Speaker 1: a pass. What did they think the end game was
38:10
Speaker 1: going to be? Exactly? I think they had to know
38:13
Speaker 1: what the end game was going to be. What they
38:15
Speaker 1: were hoping that it wouldn't be within their jurisdiction. Nancy.
38:19
Speaker 1: Back in the ninety nineties, there was a voter driven
38:22
Speaker 1: initiative called three Strikes in Year Out that that was
38:26
Speaker 1: created the whole characters like this accountable for their actions.
38:30
Speaker 1: That basically said whatever you've done in the past, that
38:33
Speaker 1: if you have convictions in the past, if you commit
38:36
Speaker 1: another crime in the future, you're looking at twenty five
38:39
Speaker 1: years to life. And that piece of legislation was so
38:42
Speaker 1: successful that it helped cut crime in half in California.
38:46
Speaker 1: And now it's been undone in California and it's being
38:49
Speaker 1: undone in other places. And characters like this walk to
38:53
Speaker 1: this clements are going to be back out on the
38:55
Speaker 1: streets again, and little girls are going to be targets
38:59
Speaker 1: and we're not even want to be able to take
39:00
Speaker 1: them to their little league games because characters like this
39:04
Speaker 1: are going to be lurking in the bushes waiting for
39:06
Speaker 1: their opportunity. It's just sick. Dashy Wilcot j even I'll
39:10
Speaker 1: judge lawyer and founder of Child Crime watch dot com
39:13
Speaker 1: Mark class again is correct. How can judges keep doing it?
39:18
Speaker 1: Actually with the rap sheet right in front of them
39:20
Speaker 1: when they do these lenient sentences as so as you know,
39:23
Speaker 1: I said as a pro tem Judge Nancy, and there's
39:25
Speaker 1: no excuse there's no defending that. Here's the problem is
39:29
Speaker 1: that I see unfortunately sometimes judges get caught up in
39:35
Speaker 1: the fact that court dockets are very, very full. It's
39:38
Speaker 1: not an excuse. They need to look at all of
39:42
Speaker 1: the history of a criminal before them, and they don't.
39:45
Speaker 1: I see it time after time where they just sentence
39:48
Speaker 1: based on the one thing they're there, and they don't
39:50
Speaker 1: take the time to delve into it and say, wow,
39:52
Speaker 1: look at this criminal history, look at this rap sheet.
39:56
Speaker 1: What do we need to do. Because a judge should
39:58
Speaker 1: not just look at what's a immediately in front of me.
40:01
Speaker 1: A judge is tasked with looking at the entire picture,
40:04
Speaker 1: which includes all the criminal history. So this is another
40:07
Speaker 1: system fail. Judges have got to be diligent and looking
40:11
Speaker 1: at every single thing a defendant has done to then
40:14
Speaker 1: apply the law to the facts to make the best
40:16
Speaker 1: sentence so that this predator does not continue to be
40:19
Speaker 1: a predators. Dartwort psychologist way in the worst part is
40:24
Speaker 1: that I think that one of the guests said, they
40:28
Speaker 1: do get to see the rapt seat, they do get
40:30
Speaker 1: to see what's going on in this person's criminal past,
40:35
Speaker 1: and they go ahead and give them a free pass. Anyway,
40:38
Speaker 1: which is really hard to comprehend. The hardest part to
40:42
Speaker 1: comprehend is that the parents are left with guilt, Nancy.
40:47
Speaker 1: They will never get over this, and they will always
40:50
Speaker 1: blame themselves. You could hear it in Mark's voice. They
40:53
Speaker 1: wonder what could they have done differently? They relive it.
40:57
Speaker 1: It is the worst thing that could happen to any parent.
41:00
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41:04
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41:07
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Speaker 1: the new network for crime. You know, Mark, I just
42:13
Speaker 1: can't get out of my mind about Isabel and now Marabel. Well, yea, Mark,
42:23
Speaker 1: our little boys and our little girls are the most
42:27
Speaker 1: crucious things we have in our lives, and it's our
42:31
Speaker 1: duty as individuals and as governments to protect them. And
42:35
Speaker 1: there's been an abject failure all along the line for
42:39
Speaker 1: these two little girls. And we would hope that their
42:42
Speaker 1: legacy would be that we will correct the wrongs that
42:46
Speaker 1: have been done so that the other children can be protected,
42:49
Speaker 1: so that, as Karen mentioned a moment ago, folks won't
42:53
Speaker 1: have to live with the guilty of wondering what they
42:55
Speaker 1: could have done forever and ever and ever. And that's
43:00
Speaker 1: or the perp behind bars. Arizona is a death penalty state.
43:06
Speaker 1: The families of two little girls waiting along with us
43:10
Speaker 1: as justice unfalls. Nancy Grace Crime Stories signing off Goodbye friend.