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Seven common phrases that prove we blame women for men's failures · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: One, Hi, and welcome to Honey Badger Radio. I'll be
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  Speaker 1: your host, and today's topic is seven common phrases that
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  Speaker 1: prove we blame women for men's failures, because you know,
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  Speaker 1: our society always blames women. It's constantly blaming women. It
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  Speaker 1: never blames men for anything. There are no institutional narratives
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  Speaker 1: that basically blame men for all of society's problems and
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  Speaker 1: issues and social problems and war and literally everything that's
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  Speaker 1: wrong with humanity. No, no, no, that's just your imagination.
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  Speaker 1: That's the Mano sphere whispering poison into your ear. So
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  Speaker 2: Seven common phrases that prove we still blame women for
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  Speaker 2: men's failures. We've changed the laws, but not the language.
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  Speaker 2: Maria Cassano June ninth, twenty twenty five, five point six
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  Speaker 2: k likes, one hundred and one comments. I was seven
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  Speaker 2: years old when Bill Clinton, a forty nine year old man,
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  Speaker 2: the president of the United States, had sexual relations with
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  Speaker 2: Monica lewin.
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  Speaker 3: You know, she was seven years old.
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  Speaker 1: And also I should have introduced Brian might come in
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  Speaker 1: as a disembodied voice, don't be surprised, or he may not,
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  Speaker 1: depends on his on his own violation. But she was
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  Speaker 1: seven years old. Let me just quickly look up when
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  Speaker 1: the Monica Lewinsky thing happened, the Monica Lewinsky scandal date.
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  Speaker 1: So that was January seventeenth, nineteen ninety eight. Wow, that
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  Speaker 1: was really late. I was twenty. She was seven. I
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  Speaker 1: was twenty.
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  Speaker 3: Now this is important.
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  Speaker 1: Now all of you know how old I am. This
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  Speaker 1: is important because I have a completely different recollection of
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  Speaker 1: what happened during that scandal and how Monica Lewinsky was
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  Speaker 1: treated than she does. And the question before the court
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  Speaker 1: is who's more reliable a seven year old or someone
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  Speaker 1: who experienced it and when they were twenty.
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  Speaker 2: A twenty two year old White House intern. I saw
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  Speaker 2: it on every TV screen and magazine cover. Yes, Clinton
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  Speaker 2: was impeached, but he was acquitted on both counts and
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  Speaker 2: finished his term.
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  Speaker 4: Guess who was the punchline?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, but if you are going to get thrown into
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  Speaker 1: the public eye, you are going to become a punchline.
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  Speaker 3: I am a punchline.
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  Speaker 1: Just today, I have yet another person saying, are you trans? No,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not trans. You're just saying that because I don't.
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  Speaker 1: I guess I'm not conventionally attractive like a woman should be.
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  Speaker 1: But yes, I have a uter, I have ovaries. I
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  Speaker 1: just don't live up to the patriarchal quote unquote standard
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  Speaker 1: of beauty. Which is so funny because it's always feminists
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  Speaker 1: that ask me this crap, because apparently I don't do
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  Speaker 1: the feminine signifiers good enough. But at the same time
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  Speaker 1: they'll turn around and say that those feminine signifiers are
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  Speaker 1: forced on women to the detriment of their lives and
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  Speaker 1: well being. But regard but they'll still judge you based
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  Speaker 1: on them.
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  Speaker 3: They're still happy to do that.
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  Speaker 1: But regardless like that, Yes, she was judged because she
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  Speaker 1: was then suddenly thrust into the public eye. As the
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  Speaker 1: mistress of well, the most powerful man on the planet,
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  Speaker 1: the president of the United States. She he's the very
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  Speaker 1: apex of the the hypergamous pyramid, shall we say, right,
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  Speaker 1: And he wasn't bad looking at that time, so he
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  Speaker 1: was desirable because of his power, because he didn't look
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  Speaker 1: like a slob. He didn't look like Danny DeVito. Not
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  Speaker 1: that Danny DaVita is a bad guy, but Bill Clinton
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  Speaker 1: was on the top of the hierarchy, and he also
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  Speaker 1: looked good and he was also tall. Okay, so he's
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  Speaker 1: hitting a lot of factors here. And she was a
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  Speaker 1: woman who got that. I remember actually reading an article,
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  Speaker 1: one of the more insulting ones, and they compared her
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  Speaker 1: to a cheeseburger while Bill Clinton had philet mignon at home,
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  Speaker 1: except the philet mignon was punching him. So maybe that
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  Speaker 1: was a factor in him deciding to go for a
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  Speaker 1: good old cheeseberg. But you know, it's it's it she
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  Speaker 1: got that. She got, She got thrust into the public eye.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe it was against her will, she wasn't interested in it,
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  Speaker 1: but that's what happens. And also being impeached is a
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  Speaker 1: little bit more stressful then simply dealing with people's opinion
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  Speaker 1: on your wardrobe, your personal you know, your size, which
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  Speaker 1: was I think the big thing that everybody was I
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  Speaker 1: remember at the time it was her size that that
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  Speaker 1: was one of the big touching points. They just could
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  Speaker 1: believe that a president would go after a slightly chubby woman.
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  Speaker 3: Which is fine, you know, everybody has their opinions. But
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  Speaker 3: that's the risk she ran.
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  Speaker 1: If you're going to get into a relationship with a
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  Speaker 1: man who's very well known, you run the risk of
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  Speaker 1: that getting thrown into the public eye. You know, she
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  Speaker 1: chose to do it, Okay, I mean I put myself
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  Speaker 1: in the public and I might also get all kinds
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  Speaker 1: of commentary, probically mostly from feminists on how I present myself,
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  Speaker 1: what I look like, etc. It's just the risk you run.
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  Speaker 1: If you didn't want to run that risk, don't have
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  Speaker 1: relationships with extremely powerful public figures. You can always choose
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  Speaker 1: just Georgian accounting regardless. But my ultimate point here is
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  Speaker 1: he was almost impeached. That was pretty significant for him.
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  Speaker 1: Wherever you regardless on what part of the ale you're on,
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  Speaker 1: Although honestly, I think at this point in time, if
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  Speaker 1: Clinton of that era was transferred to our era, all
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  Speaker 1: of the left would be calling him a fascist. But regardless,
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  Speaker 1: he was, you know, he was almost impeached, he almost
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  Speaker 1: lost his job, he was almost massively discredited in the
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  Speaker 1: public eye. That's huge stakes. And even though he evaded that,
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  Speaker 1: you can't just say, oh, well, nothing, you know, nothing
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  Speaker 1: happened to him. At the very least, he got no
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  Speaker 1: battered by Hillary Clinton apparently, you know, And of course
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  Speaker 1: nobody wants to talk about that. That's a non starter. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: put a little bit more of her in.
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  Speaker 2: Guess whose name became a national joke. Guess who the
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  Speaker 2: news called a home wrecker and the tabloids called a slut.
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  Speaker 2: Guess which person is still active in polic Okay, she
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  Speaker 2: was a home wrecker politics today? And which person disappeared
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  Speaker 2: for decades under the weight of public shame as a
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  Speaker 2: child I absorbed?
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  Speaker 1: All right, So what she's saying is that as a
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  Speaker 1: result of this, and little Bill Clinton went on to
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  Speaker 1: I don't is he still in politics? Do you mean
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  Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton is still sort of in politics, which means
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  Speaker 1: Bill Clinton has occasionally seen I don't even know if
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  Speaker 1: he's seen as much as Monica Lewinsky now. But regardless,
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  Speaker 1: like she's saying that. Also, I think Bill Clinton is
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  Speaker 1: more important to politics than Monica Lewinsky, So it's quite
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  Speaker 1: likely that he didn't disappear because his relevance is greater, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: and has nothing to do with him, you know, choosing
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  Speaker 1: the cheeseburger over the alleged Philamagnon.
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  Speaker 3: It has to do with the fact that he's.
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  Speaker 1: Done more in politics than she has or will ever do.
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  Speaker 1: I don't fact only think she's done anything in politics.
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  Speaker 1: I mean I don't think she has a political career
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  Speaker 1: at all, shame or no shame, And honestly, I doubt
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  Speaker 1: her first political or one of her first political moves
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  Speaker 1: being having sex with a president is really gonna Well,
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  Speaker 1: maybe it'll help her career, who knows if she had
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  Speaker 1: decided to do it, But did she even go into
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  Speaker 1: politics after that?
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  Speaker 2: Or of this scandal? And reach the conclusion our society
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  Speaker 2: wanted me to reach. When a man behaves badly, it's
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  Speaker 2: because a woman tempted him.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, did Monica Lewinsky not behave badly? Yes, Bill Clinton
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  Speaker 1: behaved badly. Did she not also behave bad This is
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  Speaker 1: like it's like it's a ball game.
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  Speaker 3: It's the shame game. You know, you have to give.
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  Speaker 1: The ball or just drop it on someone else, and
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  Speaker 1: then it doesn't exist for anyone else. Yes, they both
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  Speaker 1: behaved badly, and yes Monica Lewinsky is accountable for her
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  Speaker 1: part of behaving badly. Now, part of it was that
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  Speaker 1: another individual leaked what she felt. I think she was
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  Speaker 1: saying in confidence, which is believe that woman was demonized
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  Speaker 1: for this. But regardless, like, she still behaved badly. Like
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  Speaker 1: you don't have to have sex with someone else's head.
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  Speaker 1: This is something you shouldn't do. And if you do
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  Speaker 1: do it, and you're a woman, you are indeed behaving badly.
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  Speaker 1: You are screwing with the social contract. That doesn't mean
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  Speaker 1: he's not also behaving badly, But we can look at
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  Speaker 1: these two things separately. She was behaving badly, he was behaving.
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  Speaker 2: Badly modern day Adam and Eve re enacted in the
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  Speaker 2: White House.
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  Speaker 1: Now, okay, so she's essentially saying that Monica Lewinsky and
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  Speaker 1: Clinton were Bill Clinton were a modern day Adam and Eve.
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  Speaker 1: And somehow that means that she's not responsible for her
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  Speaker 1: half of eating the forbidden fruit.
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  Speaker 3: Yes she is. I'm getting in this.
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  Speaker 1: Kind of argument with an ex MRA on Twitter, and
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  Speaker 1: she keeps suggesting that the only person to blame is Adam.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, well, no, Eve is also to blame for
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  Speaker 1: her part in it. Okay, you can't just say what
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  Speaker 1: They're blaming Eve yes for her part in it. We're
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  Speaker 1: blaming Monica Lewinsky, Yes, for her part in it because
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  Speaker 1: she had a part in it. Okay, that doesn't mean
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  Speaker 1: by blaming Monica, that doesn't mean we don't blame Bill
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  Speaker 1: Clinton or Adam or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: It means. We're blaming both, all right, both.
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  Speaker 2: How that I'm an adult and a journalist who is
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  Speaker 2: well aware of patriarchal power dynamics.
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  Speaker 1: Now that I am ideologically possessed.
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  Speaker 2: I see the situation for what it was. The most
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  Speaker 2: powerful man in the world used his authority and influence
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  Speaker 2: to manipulate a barely legal employee.
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  Speaker 1: Four years four years twenty two years old. Barely legal,
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  Speaker 1: I mean that ability to make adult decisions keeps creeping
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  Speaker 1: forward and forward and forward, just for women, though pretty
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  Speaker 1: soon women won't be able to make adult decisions until
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  Speaker 1: they're seventy five. But of course, this couldn't possibly be
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  Speaker 1: the basis of things like coverture in the past, where
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  Speaker 1: men made decisions for women. Can just imagine that this
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  Speaker 1: is we're just in the like the beginning of the
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  Speaker 1: end of a long cycle where women, you know, the
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  Speaker 1: beginning of the cycle. Women are like, we can make
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  Speaker 1: our own decisions, we can make them, you know, let
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  Speaker 1: us have our own decisions. And then society's like, okay, fine,
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  Speaker 1: make your own decisions. And then women start making decisions
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  Speaker 1: and there are consequences, and then they start saying, oh, well,
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  Speaker 1: I made the decision when I was nineteen, and there
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  Speaker 1: were bad consequences. That means someone didn't save me from myself.
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  Speaker 1: And then society says, okay, well, I guess we'll have
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  Speaker 1: someone else, and it has to be men because we
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  Speaker 1: can't be women. We'll have them make decisions when you're nineteen.
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  Speaker 1: And then they go, oh, but I made a bad
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  Speaker 1: decision when I was twenty five, and society goes, okay, well,
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  Speaker 1: I guess we'll have to make it so men can
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  Speaker 1: make your decisions for you when you're twenty five. And
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  Speaker 1: then oh, I made a bad decision when I was
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  Speaker 1: forty seven, and then society goes, well, I guess we'll
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  Speaker 1: have to make it so men make your decisions for you.
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  Speaker 1: When you're forty seven. And then on and on it goes,
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  Speaker 1: and we're back with koviture and made men making all
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  Speaker 1: the decisions for the female, their female relatives in their life.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, feminism. You are demonstrating patriarchy what you call
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  Speaker 1: patriarchy by simply refusing to hold women accountable for their
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  Speaker 1: actions and say, you made the choice, you made the bed,
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  Speaker 1: you lie in it. And I just at this moment,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just going to share this ridiculous nonsense. Okay, this
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  Speaker 1: is unheard, probably feminist. The men who monstered Monica Lewinsky.
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  Speaker 1: So now we've gone from making her into a joke,
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  Speaker 1: which incidentally, I remember a lot of the catty comments
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  Speaker 1: were coming from other women about her appearance. Now we're
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  Speaker 1: going to monstering Monica Lewinsky. I don't recall her being
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  Speaker 1: monstered at all, at all. I recall her being seen
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  Speaker 1: as a bimbo, but that's not being monstered. And there's
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  Speaker 1: one particular line this yes, that I want to pull out.
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  Speaker 1: I apologize for all these pop ups.
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  Speaker 3: So actually I'll just go.
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  Speaker 1: To here somewhere else so I can find it more quickly.
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  Speaker 1: She Monica Lewinsky defended Bill Clinton for years, but now
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  Speaker 1: she thinks he abused his position. That is, she wishes
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  Speaker 1: he had saved her from herself. He didn't, so she
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  Speaker 1: wishes that he had made these choices for her.
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  Speaker 3: And this is what's really bizarre.
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  Speaker 1: This argument actually dehumanizes and degrades women more than anything else,
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  Speaker 1: more than string bikinis and jumping on trampolines and supposed objectification.
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  Speaker 3: This is literally.
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  Speaker 1: Taking away women's choices and the recognition that if you
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  Speaker 1: make the choice, you live with the consequences if you
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  Speaker 1: make this choice, not just the choice to have sex
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  Speaker 1: with Bill Clinton, but the choice in confidant.
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  Speaker 3: Because Monica Lewinsky could.
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  Speaker 1: Have chosen to keep her mouth her trap shut, but
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  Speaker 1: she didn't, and she chose a poor, confident confidant who
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  Speaker 1: went to the press. So there was a series of choices,
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  Speaker 1: and she apparently defended him because he probably did nothing
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  Speaker 1: at all to her at least, and she defended him
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  Speaker 1: until now and now she's saying, oh, he should have
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  Speaker 1: protected me from myself. So whatever express desire, whatever desire
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  Speaker 1: she expressed, he should have said no. Because what she wants,
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  Speaker 1: like she's a child, you know, the child wants the
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  Speaker 1: lollipop in this in the store, but your child has cavities.
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  Speaker 1: Who's responsible for saying no? The adult who's responsible for
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  Speaker 1: telling women no when they want something that's not good
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  Speaker 1: for them. The only adult, which is men lish. Anyway,
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  Speaker 1: let me go back to Let's go back here and
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  Speaker 1: listen to a bit more of this drivel.
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  Speaker 2: In twenty twenty five, the optics may have shifted, but
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  Speaker 2: old language dies hard. These common phrases prove that our
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  Speaker 2: culture still blames women for men's mistakes. She has daddy
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  Speaker 2: issues profanities aside. Daddy issues is one of the most
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  Speaker 2: emotionally loaded phrases you can throw at a woman. In
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  Speaker 2: two words, you're telling her she's needy and secure, overreactive, unstable,
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  Speaker 2: and broken.
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  Speaker 4: It's quite the insult.
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  Speaker 1: Anyone who doesn't you know you have problems that you've
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  Speaker 1: you've experienced in your child It's terrible, right, but part
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  Speaker 1: of being an adult is accepting that now it's time
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  Speaker 1: to deal with whatever crap you got in your childhood
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  Speaker 1: and become somebody who overcomes it. That's what daddy issues means.
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  Speaker 1: It means a woman who isn't growing up right. I
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  Speaker 1: will defend the daddy issues comment because if you're still
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  Speaker 1: living in your childhood. You're still living out those cycles.
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  Speaker 1: You're not growing up. You got to take responsibility for them.
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  Speaker 1: And you can't excuse your behavior on what happened to
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  Speaker 1: you as a child. You have to grow up and
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  Speaker 1: overcome it, because it's not just like I'm pretty sure
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  Speaker 1: that people who say daddy issues aren't just saying, oh,
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  Speaker 1: that girl was abused by her dad haha, ha, point
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  Speaker 1: and laugh. No, they're talking about women who are engaging
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  Speaker 1: in today bad behavior as a result of trauma that
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  Speaker 1: they haven't taken responsibility for. That's perfectly valid. And here's
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  Speaker 1: the thing. When we use terms to call out the
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  Speaker 1: bad behavior of individual women, we're calling out the bad
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  Speaker 1: behavior of individual women. What is this?
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  Speaker 3: This this thing called again?
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  Speaker 1: It is called seven common phrases that prove we blame
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  Speaker 1: women for men's failures.
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  Speaker 3: And what are we seeing so far?
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  Speaker 1: A counter argument to recognizing that women can fail and
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  Speaker 1: that women can engage in bad behavior for some reason.
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  Speaker 1: If we recognize the bad behavior of Monica Lewinsky, for example,
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  Speaker 1: we're excusing the bad behavior of Bill Clinton rather than
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  Speaker 1: just recognizing the bad behavior of Monica Lewinsky. If we
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  Speaker 1: recognize that women who continue to enact trauma, continue the
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  Speaker 1: cycle of abuse, are responsible for that. After a certain point,
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  Speaker 1: you have to take responsibility for stopping that. That's a
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  Speaker 1: part of being an adult. If we recognize that they
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  Speaker 1: are responsible for their behavior, then we are taking away
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  Speaker 1: responsibility from the man who did it to her. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: well what about him? Maybe he was abused by his mother.
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  Speaker 1: Should we say that she holds ultimate responsibility for him
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  Speaker 1: then abusing his daughter? Like, where does it end? It
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  Speaker 1: ends with the person who takes responsibility, which is the
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  Speaker 1: adult in the room. And again, this is like feminist
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  Speaker 1: argument against women being recognized as being adults.
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  Speaker 2: All right, it's also pretty ignorant. Granted, the culprit is
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  Speaker 2: in the name. If a girl grows up with an absent, abusive,
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  Speaker 2: or emotionally unavailable father, her attachment patterns aren't character flaws.
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  Speaker 2: Yes they are parking mechanisms from lived experiences.
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  Speaker 1: Yes they are character flaws. I'm sorry that it happened
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  Speaker 1: to you, but you have to take responsibility.
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  Speaker 3: For It's not fair, one hundred percent. It's not fair.
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  Speaker 1: But once you're an adult, you are responsible for your actions.
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  Speaker 1: You no longer get those excuses.
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  Speaker 2: Man hurt her when she was at her most vulnerable,
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  Speaker 2: So of course she's going to be wary of other men.
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  Speaker 2: It's like judging someone for compulsively locking their front door
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  Speaker 2: after a break in. She doesn't have daddy issues.
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  Speaker 1: Strangely, the reason where I've heard people say daddy issues
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  Speaker 1: is usually with promiscuous behavior in women, which is actually
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  Speaker 1: statistically accurate. Women who are not raised with fathers go
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  Speaker 1: through PEU pretty earlier and are more promiscuous because they're
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  Speaker 1: moving from a more involved type of reproductive strategy that
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  Speaker 1: has a father, you know, a father and a mother
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  Speaker 1: both putting resources into their children, to a more promiscuous
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  Speaker 1: type of reproductive strategy which involves lots of children.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: So, I mean, you can look that up. This is
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: something that happens.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: I think that's probably what they're identifying, is that behavior,
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: and I don't really see it in other circumstances. Probably
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: should be considered another circumstances, but for the most part,
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: I just see it refer to when women engage in
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: promiscuous behavior, they're trying to find their a relationship with
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: a man through sex, which is the only value that
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: they understand because they've never really been nurtured by a man.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: This is why it's really bad. Single motherhood is really bad.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: Father failed her. But sure keep blaming young girls for
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: the neglect, betrayal, and abandonment of the grown men who
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: are supposed to protect them.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: Are you sure they were the ones who bended them
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: or were their mothers the ones who kicked the men out?
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: Because a man has less control over his relationship with
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: his children than the woman he has children with, So
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: if someone has more control over something, they're more likely
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: to be responsible for the outcome.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: Feels more like we just.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Blame men for outcomes created by women in this circumstance,
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: because again, there's no way around it. A woman has
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: more control over her children's relationship to their father than
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: a father has over his relationship to his children. And
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: all of the feminist evidence that men who fight get custody, well,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: I'm just going to blow it out of the water
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: with one question. Why do men have to fight to
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: get custody? Why do men have to spend a down
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: payment on a house or the full payment of a
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: car to have access to their children? Why do they
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: have to fight in the first place? Makes you it
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: gets the oomens rustling sorry, she was plused, probably before drinking.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: She slept her way to the top. Anytime a woman
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: makes anything of herself.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: Anytime, pretty sure, not anytime. Just sometimes when it's suspected
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: that a woman indeed slept her way to the top,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: is she accused of sleeping her way to the top.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Here's the thing, Like they're trying to say that all
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: women experience this. No, it's just women who engage in
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: behavior consistent with somebody who slept their way to the top.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: By sleeping their way to the.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: Top, people argue she couldn't have possibly gotten there without
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: the strategic utilization of her vagina. When Kamala Harris ran
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: for president with two degrees and over thirty years of
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: political experience, a female Fox News anchor said she slept
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: her way into politics.
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: Even if that were true, it rarely or never is.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: Even if that were true.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: Why are women the ones being ridiculed for playing a
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: game men created?
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Once again, this isn't about it's about the blame always
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: has to lie on men. Huh, so what if they
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: created it? What are thieves to blame for rich people's
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: having beautiful belongings because they are just because you can
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: do it? Doesn't mean you should do it. And just
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: because somebody gives you the potential of doing something doesn't
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: mean they're responsible when.
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: You do it.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: And again, this doesn't mean all women do it. I
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: mean some women do it, and some women get accused
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: of it, maybe wrongly.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: I haven't really followed Kamala's epic, the Epic of Kamala
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: very very.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: Closely promise you, we do not want to live in
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: a world where our bodies are more valuable currency than
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: our intellect.
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: Experienced, you don't want to live in a world.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Well, they hate to tell you, like you're already here.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: All of these presume a lack of recognition of intellect,
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: Like in order to say women aren't responsible for their
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: choices relative to men, what are you assuming about women?
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: You're assuming something about their intellectual capability, and you're assuming
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: it's a lot less than men's.
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: It's an ambition.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: Especially when statistically speaking, our boss is likely to be
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: a creepy middle aged dude, the public blame should be
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: on men in power.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: No, statistically speaking, your boss is not likely to be
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: a creepy middle aged dude. Women dominate middle management. Now,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: so your boss is more likely to be a woman,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: unless you are in middle management, which might be revealing
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: a bit of biased by this particular author, in which case, yes,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: you may have a creepy middle aged male boss, but
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: you might also be a creepy middle aged female boss
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: to the young men below.
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: You could work both ways.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: There awful positions who accept or more likely expect sexual
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: favors in exchange for promotions, job security, or raises You
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: don't have.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: You don't have to do it. Just because the option
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: is there doesn't mean you have to avail yourself of it,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: and if you do, you are a bad person.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: That's called quid pro quo sexual harassment, and it's been
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: ilegal in all fifty states since nineteen sixty four.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: WILLI quid pro.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: Quo sexual harassment? I okay, I'm not gonna look this UPO.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: Men need to choose better. Almost twenty five million American children.
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: If you want, okay, let me just let it or finish.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: And live in single parent households, and eighty percent of
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: those households are headed by the mother. When people see
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: these statistics, they often blame the woman. She should have
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: picked a better man. She probably tried to trap him
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: with a baby, why she choose to have kids with
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: a deadbeat fatherlessness has serious impacts on it.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Okay, once again, society has arranged so that women have
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: the maximum amount of choice over who they have children with,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: when they have children, if they have children, and yet
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: all of these choices, we cannot accept that that means
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: that women have absolute responsibility over whether or not a
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: child has a father.
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean to a degree.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: There may be some women out there who married a man. Okay,
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: they married a man, that man said he wanted to
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: have children. He's like, yeah, let's have children, got her
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: pregnant after the child came, and not as a result
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: of some pre existing trauma. Because some guys who they
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: go through the process of being a father have trauma
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: from their past, usually sexual abuse, trauma that surfaces and
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: they have trouble dealing with it. Whatever that that can
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: be a reason why it happens.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: No excuses.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: They should be they should be taking care of that.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: But sometimes, you know, it's hard when an entire society
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: refuses to recognize it happens. But regardless, man says, sure,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: I'd love to have children, were married, let's have children,
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: and then he just disappears and says, I'm not cut
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: out for that. How many women are actually single mothers
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: in that circumstance because that circumstance is genuinely beyond a
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: woman's control. And any woman who is a single mother
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: in that circumstance or a single mother because of the
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: death of her husband, obviously, any woman is a single
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: mother in that circumstance that's genuinely outside of her control.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: Every other circumstance is within women's control.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: Okay, there is nobody else. We did this.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: We got rid of coviture, we got rid of family oversight,
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: we got rid of all of this. So these situations
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: that women find themselves in are now a result of
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: their own choices. Your choices, ladies. So if you are
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: a single mother, now unless again, you found a man
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: who committed to you in marriage and who agreed to
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: have children and was enthusiastic about it, and then disappeared
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: on you, and you somehow can't ask the state to
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: make sure he pays child support for you unless that
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: happened or he died. You are in this other category
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: in which some part of your life you chose and
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: the consequence was single motherhood. What could it have been.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: You chose to be.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: The fifth girlfriend of Pooky who has five other baby mamas,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: thinking that you would be the one that he would
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: finally commit to. Right, you decided, you got bored and
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: you kicked the man who wasn't really exciting but was
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: taking care of your children together out of the house.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: What else, You just chose to get a sperm donation,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: just have a child by yourself, like whatever, these are
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: your choices. See, it's really funny because we've now given
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: women all of these choices, more choices that men have, Okay,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: more choices than men have, because men's choice, he doesn't
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: have a choice. Even if he's raped, he's going to
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: be expected to assume the responsibilities of a father. So
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: he given women all of these choices, and suddenly we
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: have an exponential exploit explosion in single motherhood. And yet
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: in the past, when supposedly men had the ability to
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: leave their family more than women, yeah, this was, the
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: divorce rate was two percent and single hood motherhood was
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: like less than ten percent. So when men had the
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: responsibility over these choices, this is, according to feminism, almost
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: no single motherhood, almost no divorce. Suddenly women have the
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: choice tons of divorce, tons of single motherhood. Okay, and
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: it the change here, And this is what I want
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: to point out, is that we gave women not only
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: power over their own lives, power over their children's lives
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: that no one else has, and power over men's lives
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: that no one else has. That's the change we made
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: when men supposedly had this power over children and women.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: One percent divorce rate, no single motherhood. When women were
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: given the power that men supposedly had, I'm not sure
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: they really did. What is it like, thirty percent single
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: mother rate, forty five percent divorce rate. E Wow, that's
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: a really good that's a really good it's a right
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: word for it. It's a really good demonstration why other
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: cultures and cultures in the past didn't give women these
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: powers because they wouldn't have survived. We couldn't.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: We could not survive.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: Like right now, we can survive because we just live
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: off the labor of other countries. But we couldn't survive
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: in the past because this families were the unit of productivity.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: And if you didn't have that productivity, everybody was dying
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: of starvation or scurvy or freezing in the winter. All right,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: let's the we'll pull a little bit more of this child.
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: Why'd she kick him out?
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: How about men need to be better partners and fathers.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: Men are significantly less likely to seek help for mental illness,
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: anger issues, substance abuse and addiction.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, okay, I'm gonna give you an example of
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: substance abuse. I actually talked my had I got a haircut,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: I know, shock a couple of years ago, and I
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: talked to my hairdresser and she had a cousin who
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: had a substance abuse issue. And this was before KOUF,
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: and it was before the absolute overburdening of Canadian health
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: care to the point where basically doctors are just pushing made,
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: you know, voluntary, voluntary, unself aliving instead of actual health care.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: So back then, her cousin, who was a man, attempted
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: to get assistance with his substance abuse. He could not
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: find any from any government service. And this is Canada,
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: where you're supposed to have mental health assistance for things
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: like this.
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: He waited months.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: He ended up committing suicide on a wait list for
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: mental health care. You guys are so snide about men
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: don't seek out health, but they're at the back of
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: the back of the line forgetting it. Men die of
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: suicide waiting for mental health to address their suicidal ideation,
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: or they get the mental health and it doesn't help
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: because it's coming from something like the American Psychological Association
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: that basically tells men that their masculinity is what's making
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: them sick, which is depraved, all right, But also she
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: says men should be better partners like women. Why is
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: it never this never put on women, like men should
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: be better partners.
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: Do women think that they.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: Last sixty seventy years of whatever the hell we've been
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: doing has made them better partners for men?
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: I don't think so.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: In fact, they've taken joy a lot of women. I
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: see them go on TikTok and Twitter and whatever and
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: also YouTube, all the spoilt girlies. They revel in the
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: idea that they are worse partners for men than seventy
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: five years women seventy five years ago, and they want
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: to be even worse. They want to say, well, I
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: should have to do nothing and absolutely nothing. I shouldn't
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: have to lift a finger. My femininity is so valuable,
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: but apparently this is also my achievement and intellect. I
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: don't know how that works. But whatever, my feminine body,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: my female body, is so so very valuable that I
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: should have to do nothing nothing, I should bring nothing.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: I am the table. And that's so funny. She says
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: men should think about how to be better partners. Have
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: women ever thought about that?
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: Which often lead to the deterioration of relationships in terms
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: of emotional and physical presence. About twenty five percent of
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: fathers don't live with their children. Less than four percent
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: of men fight for custody, and twenty seven percent of dads.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: Again, why should men have to fight for custody? You
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: know four percent of men. I'm guessing that that four
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: percent of men are roughly synonymous to like the top
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: five percent of earners in our society, because they have
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: the means to fight for custody. But again, why should
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: men have to fight for? Feminists never explain this when
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: they give this statistic that men who fight for christ
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: didy win it. Yeah, okay, Why do they have to
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: fight in the first place?
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: Why is it not automatic?
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: And if you're so convinced that men don't want custody
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: of their children, then that won't change anything. Men will
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: simply say, okay, No, I'm not interested, right, So why
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: don't we just make it automatic.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: Stop seeing their kids entirely after a divorce?
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Yes, because women move away, because women block access to
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: their children. This doesn't, this isn't a statistic that necessarily
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: falls back on men.
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: Financially.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: Custodial parents are owed a collective one hundred and sixteen
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: billion dollars in child support, and over thirty percent of
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: fathers haven't paid any child support at all.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: What's the number for women? It's higher because non custodial mothers. Well,
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: first of all, they're not very often expected to pay
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: child support, which they should, but they default even more
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: often than on constoleial men. But notice she doesn't say
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: that statistic, she doesn't even bring it up.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: Well, she's a gold digger. Up until nineteen seventy four,
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: barely fifty years ago, women weren't legally permitted to own
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: houses or open their own bank account.
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: Are you fucking mental? Women in the sixties weren't able
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: to own their own houses. Are you?
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: This is bullshit? Like, this is utter bullshit. Good grief,
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: I'm not even gonna like, can you know this is wrong?
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: All right? Any woman who's been alive in the sixties.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: Could you explain to her how she is freaking wrong
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: and not being able to have open up a bank account.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: First of all, one of the problems with talking to
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: syllopsistic or responding to syllopsistic individuals like this is they
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: think that now is all of history. They somehow think
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: people had bank accounts in the thirteen hundreds or even
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: the late eighteen hundreds. Nobody had a flippant bank account.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: You put the stuff under your mattress. The only people
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: had bank accounts were the royalty. And also, I would
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: like to add, there was a woman believe she was
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: a woman of color too, a woman who owned a
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: bank in nineteen ten.
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: Good grief.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: As a result, the only way for women to ensure
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: financial stability for themselves was to choose a wealthy husband.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: No, well, how did every woman who wasn't a wealthy
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: wasn't capable of choosing a wealthy husband. How did they
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: ensure financial stability.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: I'm not even going to.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: Go into actual evidence. Let's just think about what she's
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: just said. In the past, women had to marry a
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: wealthy husband in order to ensure financial security. How many
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: women do you think had access to wealthy husbands in
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: the past very few, and many of them were wealthy themselves.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: They usually came into the relationship with significant acts. So
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: just on the surface, this sentence makes no sense if
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: you think about it logically.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: And who created this system? Men literally designed a society
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: in which women needed to be financially dependent on them
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: for food, housing, and childcare.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: Men design this. Men designed women's dependence. Well, even if
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: men in the past designed women's dependence, they've now designed
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: women's independence. Why are you still seeking a wealthy man
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: or a man who makes more than you, or even
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: care about a man's income whatsoever, when you are free
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: to earn your own way, Why is that even a consideration?
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: And it is a big consideration for women's still. And also,
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: she's saying that we cannot call a woman, a specific
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: woman a gold digger for some reason, because that means
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: we're calling all women gold diggers. Now, whether or not
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: that's true, let's moves the side of point. There are
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: female gold diggers. That is a bad.
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: Behavior that women engage. You are taking.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: Away a means by which to shame them because you
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: want to blame men for it. Well, okay, so men,
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: Queen lat applied this logic anywhere else. Right, are I'm
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: gonna go really really edgy? Okay? Are the tribes that
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: remained in Africa? You know, they were just exploiting the
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: white people they sold slaves to. Right, they're just exploiting
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: them because they just made the opportunity of having a slave.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: They just created that opportunity the Nigerian like slave owners.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: They just created it for the white people, and the
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: white people took advantage of it. But it's really their
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: fault for creating the opportunity. Men create the opportunity for
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: women to live on them, you know, economically, to create
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: excess productivity for women to live on, and it's men's
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: faults that women become dependent on it because they're lazy
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: or what actually happened in the past, which is women
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: cannot do a lot of the jobs that men did
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: because men's jobs in the past were dangerous, dirty, uncomfortable,
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: and not consistent with raising young children.
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: And women couldn't.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: Live like they couldn't just hand the child over who
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: First of all, you can't hand a fetus over to
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: a man. Where will it jest state in a box?
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: So you're stuck there when you're pregnant, you're stuck there.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: When you're lactating, you're stuck there for a good like
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: four or five years. Okay, And people who need those
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: jobs done cannot accommodate a woman doing them if she
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: is going to be out of commission for years at
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: a time. So what ended up happening is that women
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: took over industries that they could do while they were pregnant,
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: while they were lactating, while they were taking care of
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: small children. They weren't doing nothing. They were carrying industries,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: and in fact, those industries were often responsible for a
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: lot of the household wealth. So women weren't doing nothing.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: But of course you don't know that because you think
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: that people had freaking bank accounts in ancient Rome. Well, yeah,
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: they probably did. The patricians.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: Maybe men get mad when women prioritize husbands who can
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: provide food, housing, and childcare.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, when are you gonna stop? Okay, if you keep
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: prioritizing these things in men, and men keep providing them,
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: eventually you'll get reliant on them. And we're back at
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: feminists saying, oh, men make no women reliant on them.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: It's like saying I don't know, I won't use the
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: slavery example. It's like saying a maid makes her rich
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: clients reliant on her. Are you flipping? And that the
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: power lies with her? Again, like, the power does not
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: lie with men in this because legally enforced that woman
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: is he is expected to maintain her. If she divorces him,
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: he has to play alimony and child support. Prior to
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: the Equal Rights Amendment, he was legally obligated to her
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: upkeep while.
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: They were married.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: So if a man didn't go out and get a job,
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: if he is able bodied and his wife was living
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: in squalor, he was jailed. Right, So at some point, okay,
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: you go back far enough, men were legally obligated to
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: make sure that their wives had the means to survive,
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: and if they didn't do it, off to Debutter's jail.
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: You go off to jail, do you go? How is that?
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Like? Think about it. A man takes on a wife,
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: he takes on the legal obligation of maintaining that wife.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: If he fails in those legal obligations, he goes to jail.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: How is that.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: A society that's making Yeah, women are dependent on his labor,
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: but how is that not protecting her? An event he
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: decides not to labor, Like I mean, think about it.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: A man legally must labor for his wife. In the past,
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: he has no obligat he's no way out of that.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: How is that not protecting her interests?
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: Damned if we do You are damned if you do this.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: And what she's saying is that because in the past,
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: men made women reliant on them and then also put
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: extreme legal penalties on men if they did not support
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: their wives because of that in the past, Now women
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: can continue even though all of that is gone. They
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: can continue to be lazy and want a partner to
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: pick up the slack. And that's okay. And feminist aren't
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: gonna look at that two of like five years after
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: it happens and say you made.
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: Her dependent on you.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: You just like this is just this is just Men
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: are fucked either way.
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: It's like everything lands on.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: Men are fucked at the title of gold digger by
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: becoming financially amendment are now criticized for being man hating
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: feminists or childless cat ladies. She's home wrecker. Is knowingly
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: sleeping with a married man morally wrong?
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: Yes, sorry for everybody who has your phones on. Yes,
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: knowingly sleeping with a married man is morally wrong. Jesus
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: fucking Christ. This is why women don't want female friends.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: It's because you're all hunting each other's goddamn partners. Yes,
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: it's wrong, and yes you are wrong to do it.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: You bet, but an estimated forty two percent of men
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: on Tinder are already married or in a relationship.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: So what Just because men make the means to do it,
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: doesn't mean.
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: You can go and endure.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: And also forty two percent of men, how many women
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: orphan statistic?
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: And they are not readily disclosing that information even if
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: they were. Last I checked, the mistress wasn't standing at
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: the altar promising anyone anything. Calling a woman a home
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: wrecker shifts the blame over.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: Okay, so do you have any sense of responsibility to
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: your fellow woman? So you're just gonna shift the blame
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: onto men and just do it. I'm fine, Let's go
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: sleep with some married men. It's not my fault, it's
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: their fault. Therefore, I'm going to do it as much
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: as I want.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: Away from the husband who proposed to his wife, set
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: his vows, lied, cheated, and sabotaged his own marriage. If
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: he was abusive, why didn't she leave? People seem to
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: think that if a man is that bad, a woman
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: should be able to just pack a bag and walk away.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: You should be able to since you got almost all
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: the support to do so, you have all kinds of services.
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: Now, let's talk about a man being able to walk.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: Away from an abusive woman. If he calls the cops
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: on her, he's more likely to be arrested than she is.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: He has no services, and in many places, if he
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: attempts to walk away from her, he's going to have
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: to pay her legal fees, and not to mention all
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: the potential of actual charges against him, which feminist groups
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: will facilitate. Let's be honest. So who has the ability
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: to walk away from whom? And in the past men
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: being legally responsible for their wives financial upkeep, Who has
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: the ability to.
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: Walk away from whom?
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: I remember one case where in this is a case
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: that was actually cited by I'm blanking on names. I
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: get really bad with names when I'm on the spot.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: A Foyer Charles Foyer, the man, the Frenchman who coined
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: feminism and basically created its underlying premise, which is that
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: we judge society by how it benefits women, and just
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: whatever for men do men as a non starter, we
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: don't care how men are benefited or harmed, right, so
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: we judge society by how it benefited by women or
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: benefits to women. And an example he used of harms
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: to women was in England, and because he was French,
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: he hated the English as you do. In England, a
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: man sued his wife's lover for the cost of their
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: children's upkeep, and this Charles Foyer cited as an example
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: of discrimination against women because it might make a woman
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: think twice about having an affair. I think he might
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: have won too, But it really tells you about the
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: past and our priorities. That was in like eighteen fifty,
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: the nineteenth century.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: As if strolling into a new life were straightforward, easy
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: or safe.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well nothing is usually nothing worth doing is easy,
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: straightforward or safe. Okay, But I'd like to point out
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: that actually I'll let her give to her point.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: As if she didn't have bills, kids or men do
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: the same thing. As if calling the cops would fix everything.
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: Well certainly doesn't.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: For men, like I said, they're more likely to be
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: arrested than the woman abusing.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: Them police officers perpetrate domestic violence at a Oh, I
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: know this one.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: This was male and female police officers, and I believe
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: it was found that female police officers were the ones
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: increasing that number.
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: Quite a bit.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: And then there was another study that found that police
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: officers were more likely to be domestically abused.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: Higher rate than the general population.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but can see what she's not saying. Everybody's going
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: to assume it's male police officers, right, Yeah, she doesn't specify.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: And there's a reason why.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: As if abusers have always been particularly respect acts increased.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: And the assumption here is that the woman is an
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: engaging in violent acts. And also I'd like to point
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: out that, okay, I'll let her finish, not specified who
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: is doing the homicide either seventy seventy five more likely
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: to die by a homicide. But here's the thing, this
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: is such a rare occurrence. I believe in the States
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: there might be seven hundred women who die in the circumstance.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: I've actually looked at the numbers. The numbers for the
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: men who die as a result of their partners is
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: about forty percent of the total. So feminists make it
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: out to be like one hundred percent women. No, it's
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: actually about sixty percent women and about forty percent, and
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: that's for all forms of family murder. The sixty percent
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: women could be murdered by mother, a sister, a female lover, daughter,
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: as well as any male partners. This is this is
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: a this is not the way that they're presenting this. Okay,
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: not at all, but it also it's extremely rare, like
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: they talk about false accuisitions or non issue, because this
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: is even more rare if you have an abusive partner
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: and you're a woman, not if you're a man. If
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: you're man, you might be fucked, but if you're a woman,
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: it's extremely unlikely that if you leave, he's gonna kill you.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, sometimes it happens, but it's extremely rare.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: And the most chilling statistic approximately forty percent of women
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: who are killed by their abusers sought help multiple times
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: in the two years before their death.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, institutions are useless.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: She's asking for it nineteen eighty nine.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: You know what's really funny about she's asking for it?
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: The feminist movement has literally used He's asking for it
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: as an excuse to frame male victims of domestic violence
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: as abusers.
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: You know how they did that.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: They went and they asked women who were being charged
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: with domestic violence against their male partners why they did it.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: And guess what these abusers said. He was asking for it.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: And then the feminists are that's what's happening.
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: He was asking for it.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: Those male victims of domestic violence, they were instigating it.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: They were to blame for it. That's what's so. We
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: have an academic framework that literally says that male victims
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: of domestic violence aren't really victims because they were.
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: Asking for it. I just find it so funny because they.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: Claimed this as their as their own personal victimhood, and
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: yet they apply it to other groups of people and
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: unperson them by using it.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: Nine Jersey unanimously acquitted a man of kidnapping and raping.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I actually went out and I searched this.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: But before I get into what I found about this case,
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: which is very interesting, I'm going to go to the
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: special chat and see what you guys are up to.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: I'll use special people in your special bus.
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: Okay, well, there's a Canadian chick.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: Huh. Let's see gain chick. Men don't speak up for
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: fear of ridicule that must change.
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: No, they don't speak.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: Up because they're more likely to be arrested than their
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: female abuser. Did you not hear what I said? Because
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: they suffer institutional discrimination mostly now due to the fact
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: that feminists want to use the issues of rape and
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: domestic violence to prove men use those things to uphold patriarchy.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: So they're in the statistics screwing around with the numbers,
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: and they're in the services screwing around with who gets
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: served and actively discriminating against male victims because male victims
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: do not support their ideological narrative. Foxes Fox is uh,
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: Fox is guarding the henhouse with that.
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: All right, let's see what else?
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: Okay, if there's anything else interesting, let's see all right,
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: doesn't seem like the Special Chat's pretty calm today? Special
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: Chat seems.
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: A little bit. Yeah, they're a little passive today. What's
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: up with you guys? Why aren't you all nuts? Usually
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: a lot more fun to go through.
• 50:21
  Speaker 5: Some of the earlier comments were pretty nuts.
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, I should roll scroll earlier. Okay, kay, and
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: chick says she may have been young, naive, but she
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: wasn't forced to do anything.
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: She didn't want to do.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: No, she wasn't. But now she's saying that he should
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: have protected her from herself, which essentially is an argument
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: back to coverture, back to the idea that men are
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: responsible for women's actions, therefore they should have control. Like,
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: how are you going to make men responsible for women's
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: actions without giving them.
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: Control over them.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: You can't have a functional society in which I don't know, a.
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: Woman does something, the police come find the nearest man
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: and jail him.
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm doing any thing while you were the nearest man,
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: so you are responsible. That's not a functional system. All right.
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: Let's see. Yeah, Hillary called her and others bimbos. Yeah,
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: a lot of women were insulting Monica Lewinsky for her size,
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: probably added jealousy because of that aforementioned she managed to
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: catch the eye of the most powerful man in the world,
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: and they were also like she was skewered for being
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: a little bit ditsy. All right, Oh so Katie kayan
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: chick isn't too bad. I'm sorry if I came across
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: pretty harsh.
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: So let's see Douglas going feminism hurts women? Yes, is
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: this such a surprise, Like a lot of the harms
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: done to women is due to actual competition with other women.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: Men generally want to protect and provide for women. Other
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: women are the ones who want to tear you down
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: and shit in your throat. That was pretty gruesome gross,
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: Sorry guys, Oh.
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: Mad hatter set weight waits.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: So Bill has no blame, for the love of fucking God,
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: what did I just say? What are you somebody who's
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: like who just can't understand that both parties can be
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: to blame, mad hat or No, there is not less
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: control for men. How about don't hang out with your
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: buddies and take care of the family. Yeah, men don't
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: do that. I thought they didn't have friends. That's why
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: men and women are doing all the emotional labor of
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: taking care of their men's emotions. All right, So where
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: are these these comments that are crazy?
• 52:23
  Speaker 5: Let's see, Well, I could read some if you want.
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: Sure fun you could read while.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: I was responding to this nonsense. Let's see what's going
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: on in the main chat?
• 52:34
  Speaker 5: Leo said, why is she streaming? She's not even responding
• 52:37
  Speaker 5: to chat? Just make a video instead, moron.
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: Because can I actually talk about the topic before I
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: respond to you?
• 52:43
  Speaker 5: William macguil do you have a point or is this
• 52:45
  Speaker 5: just a crazy rant. I think that they just pop
• 52:48
  Speaker 5: in and in, They're like ADD kicks in and they
• 52:50
  Speaker 5: just gotta leave because they're just like, what, nothing's happened
• 52:53
  Speaker 5: for five seconds?
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: I gotta go. Yeah. Unfortunately, that reduces your thinking to
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: five second sound bites, because some of these things require
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: a little bit of time to set up the arguments
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: before you can, you know, come to the conclusion. Sorry,
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: that your add is going to permanently make you an ignorant.
• 53:11
  Speaker 5: David earlier in the chat said black men got the
• 53:14
  Speaker 5: vote before white women in America. I don't know if
• 53:16
  Speaker 5: that is pertinent, but it is a fact. Yeah, but
• 53:19
  Speaker 5: black men had to fight in a civil war for that.
• 53:21
  Speaker 5: So yes, white women don't fight any wars. I mean
• 53:24
  Speaker 5: women in general didn't. But yeah, thanks for the contribution.
• 53:27
  Speaker 5: Leo says it's higher she has no sources to prove anything.
• 53:31
  Speaker 5: I don't like. I don't know what it's in reference to.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: But I don't know what. Yeah, that's if you're talking
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: about me. I have all the sources, all of them.
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: If you like to see them immediately, you can go
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: to Badger Nation dot online or yeah and join us
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: in our discord.
• 53:46
  Speaker 5: All right, somebody said something else to what I can't remember,
• 53:50
  Speaker 5: So is.
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: There any just checking?
• 53:53
  Speaker 5: Aren't you helping women or something?
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: Let me see what's going on here. I've got a
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: super chow once again. Feed the badgery dot com slash
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: just the tip if you want to send me a message,
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: that'd be very appreciated.
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: Little tip for the work.
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: That I do in debunking this nonsense. All right, if
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: you want to see the facts, here's a link to
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: my website. No, it's a discord where I compile all
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: the what the hell do you?
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: Okay?
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: Am I just supposed to beam them into your head
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: with the thought.
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: Ray like, what the hell?
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: Man, Jesus, what a good grief? That's incredible level of laziness.
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: I get.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: Okay, you want citations, all right?
• 54:26
  Speaker 5: Look of don don somebody made the women credit cards
• 54:31
  Speaker 5: argument to so.
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you want me to show you. I might not
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: have it right on hand, but there are these charge
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: cards made out of tin that women used to take
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: to stores, and essentially they would have they would be
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: underwritten by their husband or if they were you know,
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: if they were single, and they would just be getting
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: debt through a store that was what happened before credit cards.
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: Credit cards took a while because they were an outgrowth
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: of men's clubs, when men came together and essentially gave
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: each other credit. Now, what happened before then is that
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: you just have these little tin charge plates and women
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: would have them and take them to a store, and
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: this store would charge whatever goods they got onto it, right,
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: and they will put it on their credit Okay, So
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: this is this is an evolution, and women definitely had
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: credit from stores prior to credit cards. Now, again it
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: took a while for them to get credit cards, but
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: that's because nobody had credit cards. No one started as
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: like an like I said, I believe an off growth
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: of men's clubs. But prior to that, women definitely had
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: the ability to use credit at stores. And I wish
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: I had that tweet. I actually I actually did a
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: whole tweet on charge cards. Let me see if I
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: can find.
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: Them really quick.
• 55:54
  Speaker 5: W Liam McGill earlier said, in all caps, tell me
• 55:57
  Speaker 5: what you are going to doing to advance women. I
• 55:59
  Speaker 5: don't know if that's like tongue in cheek or not.
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: Why do why are you asking me if I want
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: I'm going to advance women. Well, I'm going to advance
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: women's perception of women's actual agency, which is that their
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: actions have consequences and that those consequences shouldn't be delivered
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: to the nearest man. That's that's what I do. If
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: you want anything else, I would suggest another channel. You
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: should be able to link me to an article with
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: shows said facts.
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: You mean right now while I'm doing a stream Denisehines
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: help Seeking Behaviors of Battered Men. That is a title.
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: Go look it up right if you want to find
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: the charge cards, let me see what the freaking name
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: of this is. I hope I don't put in too
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: much dead air that everybody else is going to go
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: spurg over while I do this. Okay, so history of
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: credit cards the diners Club was vented. No, it's not
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: coming easily.
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to look on my Twitter account advance
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: Twitter search, which is use list from me.
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: And the thing is, I'm gonna show this to him.
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna show it and the guy's gonna be like
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: a pointless it's terry picked. It's like it's gonna it's
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: just gonna bounce right off. Also, it's really freaking hot
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: here Twitter search.
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: I'm not in a great mood danced Twitter search.
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: Now you guys are gonna know my Twitter account at
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: honey badger bite not to all of these words. Women,
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: credit cards. Let's see if it gets anything.
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: But yeah, it did great, All right, here we go,
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: Here we go. Friends.
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: Women didn't have credit cards. Women literally had credit cards.
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: Look at these suckers. Do you see this? These are
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: charge cards. They were prior to credit cards. You went
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: into a store and you charged things to them. Now
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: you had to get credit in specific stores. This charge
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: a plate, you see that.
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: Look at.
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: Jesse if very poorly right. This is Ira Bzezel, Edith V.
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: Deregast Okay, miss Belluda E. Cox. This is credit before
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: credit cards. Stores extended credit because there get this. I
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: know this is going to really blow your mind. But
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: there was no computing network prior to about the seventies.
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: There's no nothing to hold this information on, right, so
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: everything had to be phoned in. And actually there was
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: no network like this prior to telephones.
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: You couldn't really have.
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: Credit cards attached to your bank. Prior to the proliferation
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: of telephones and a lot of other stuff, a lot
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: of other just bookkeeping stuff. And prior to that, women
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: had these charge of plates where they could go into
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: it to a store and charge whatever they bought to them.
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: If they had a man's name on them, that man paid.
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: So if they were a miss Joe Smith, guess who
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: paid Joe Smith. Guess who was legally off obligated to.
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: Pay mister Joe Smith.
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: Right, what's your next? What is the next thing you're
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: gonna say? Here? Mike Denault says, wow, I had no
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: idea about io use? Do you think that modern banking? Okay,
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: as I predicted, He's just gonna be like, oh, it
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: just bounces right off.
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: When do you think modern banking started?
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: When do you think it was possible to have credit cards? Right?
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: And here's another thing.
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: When it was possible to have credit cards, there was
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: a certain period of time that men were still obligated
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: to pay off their wives debt, Like they were literally
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: obligated in a way that their wives weren't to their debt.
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: Now now it's more equal between a husband and wife,
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: But then a husband was obligated to his wife's debt.
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: A wife was not obligated to her husband's debt. Okay,
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: I mean the ability to transfer the kind of information
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: necessary to run a credit card. He asked, what do
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: you mean by modern run a credit card network? What
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: do you think this is credit? This is the extension
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: of credit. Women had credits. It's just that stores extended
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: it directly to their customers. All right, banking has not
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: been around forever. Okay, done, All right, let's finish this. Okay, Okay, Well,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: let's actually look at the This is an archive from
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: the Miami Herald. Okay, and I believe this was originally
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: published November twenty six Let me share it. Sorry. This
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: article was originally published in the Miami Herald's Tropic magazine
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: under the headline the Whole Story on November twenty sixth,
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: nineteen eighty nine. So essentially, at that point in time,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: everybody was scandalized by what the Jerry Foreman said. We
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: all felt she was asking for it with the way
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: she was dressed. And Damon said, now, I want to
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: first notes, this was the jury foremant. But the jury
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: was comprised of three men and three women, so it
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: wasn't just men saying this. And also the world was
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: scandalized as a result of it. What Roy Diamond was
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: referring to was the fact that she wasn't wearing underwear,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: not just what she was wearing, And he wasn't saying
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: that because she was not wearing underwear that she was
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: open to being raped. He was saying it was a
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: contributing factor to coming to the conclusion that she was
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: engaging in prostitution in the parking lot, that she was
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: walking around in with no underwear, a short skirt and
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: like a tiny tank top. So this is the remark
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: would turn a white lace miniskirt into a holy shroud
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: of feminist outrage, set of South Florida as a world
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: capital of leering neanderthal sexism, and make the victim, a
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: twenty two year old woman from Coconut Crete, described the
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: news accounts as an heiress into an international celebrity. Within
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: days of the verdict, she had posed for photographs and
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: giving an interview to the London Daily Mail in return
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: for three thousand The newspaper called a Blondina or Tega,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: an innocent Covent convent educated girl from a close knit
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: Catholic family who are standing by her instead. Her name
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: had been blackened by the extraordinary court ruling and attributed
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: to her the quotes I was kidnapped, I was beaten,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: I was almost murdered before and being raped three times.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: My life has been ruined not only by the brute
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: who raped me, but by a jury who decided I
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: was to blame because of what I was wearing. I
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: am a decent girl trying to live a decent life,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: and I believe that until the decent people on the
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: jury would protect me. It's so unjust. The American supermarket
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: tablets loved it. Three days later, she was sitting beside
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: national talk show host Oprah Winfrey, who displayed the offending
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: ensemble on a hangar for her or fifteen million viewers.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: Then miniskirt, the.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: Crop lime green tam tank top, and the wide black
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: leather belt. The woman had word early on the morning
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: of November sixth, nineteen eighty eight, when she encountered Stepan
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: Stephen Lamar Lord in the parking light lot of an
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: all night Denny's in Fort Lauderdale. Winfrey, adhering to an
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: informal media convention not to identify victims of sexual crimes,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: agreed to call the woman only Susan. Dressed in a
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: demure royal blue suit over a high necked white blouse
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: and camouflaged over an ill fitting black wig. She looked
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: like a face from a nineteen sixty eight school yearbook.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: Susan Susan related to Winfrey the horrors of her ordeal,
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: speaking in a small childlike voice. She seemed icy eerily detached,
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: like someone retreating into mechanical recitation to avert emotional collapse.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: That night, she would appear on a Larry King Live
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: in a more stylish blonde wig and sunglasses, calling herself Susie.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: I was kidnapped, held at knife point, raped, repeatedly, hid
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: over the head, and cut up, and left for dead
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: in a car accident. She repeated identically, almost robotically, on
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: both shows. The studio audience of one hundred and fifty
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: at the Winfrey show maintained a respectful silence, interrupted by
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: the occasional gasp as Susan related not only the details
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: of her abduction and abuse, but of six harrowing days
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: she spent in jail before trial for refusing to cooperate
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: with prosecutors. She told of an ambush by sadistic sheriff's deputies,
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: who neither identified her themselves nor told her why they
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: were seizing her Her indignant lawyer thundered that she'd never
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: received any rape counseling and jail. She said, I got
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: no food or water for two days. Unbelievable, blurted Oprah.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: The audience, mostly young women, wanted desperately to believe her,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: and by large they did, despite a few uncomfortable moments.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: There was a minor but troubling inconsistency in her story.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: Was she forced to unlock her car at knife point
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: or was it already unlocked? She gave both versions and
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: successive sentences. Her story is still not jibing. One woman
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: in the audience said to Winfrey, uncertain, maybe she's just nervous.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Sympathetic nods she was indeed nervous. People agreed.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: Then there was the question of what she was wearing
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: at the time of the sult more accurately, what she
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: was not wearing. No underpants, no panteose. A disquieting fact.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: That's just a personal preference I have. Susan explained. There
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: was no dispute among members of the studio audience that
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: it should not matter what a woman wears, that even
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: she chooses to walk down Main Street buck naked as
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: Winfrey put it, she has a right to be saved
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: from rape. Still, Winfrey rose to Suthan Susan's defense, it's
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: her style. People wear that all the time.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: In California and Florida.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 4: More nods in warm.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: Clients with torrid warm, quiet climates with torrid night air.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: It was presumed women woult routinely go bare bottoms. Man
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: here in Chicago, Winfrey assured, drawing a laugh. After the show,
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: the audience milled about the lobby. The talk was about
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: rape and courage. Susan was a martyr in a sixth society.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: Then suddenly a side door open and Susan appeared. With
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: her was Alexander Siegel, the portly balding Fort Lauderdale attorney
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: who had been at her side through the program and
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: who's brokering her media deals. The two dashed through the
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: lobby and hopped into a black stretch Lincoln Continental, waiting
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: at the curb. This all took only a few seconds,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: but it silenced the room. It's a funny thing about appearances.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: Everybody agrees they shouldn't mean much, that people should be
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: judged by what they are, not what they look like. Still,
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: appearances wind up meaning quite a bit when you meet
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: someone for the first time, when you're seizing up a
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: job applicant, when you're sitting on a jury, or in
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: a studio audience trying to decide who's telling the truth
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: and who's not. The Susan who burst into the lobby
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: and sprinted for the limo wasn't the prim meek, aggrieved
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: victim these women had seen in the studio moments before this,
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: Susan was laughing. Her dowdy wig was gone, and as
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: she ran her normal hair wild with a waste length
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: weave dyed the color of cheap red wine streamed out
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: behind her studio. The studio audience stared after her, dumbfounded.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: Her name is not Susan. Her name as Blandina Isabel Chiapponi.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: She is not an heiress, She is not an innocent
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: She has no close knit family standing staunchly behind her.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: This is just the beginnings of the misunderstandings that surround
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: this very public case of rape and abduction, a case
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: that led to one of the most widely maligned jury
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: verdicts in history. Why I'm reading this is I want
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: to point out some things. The way that this woman
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: is characterizing the public response to this jury verdict is incorrect.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: It was maligned, it.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: Was considered outrageous.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: It resulted in her being able to do a publicity
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: tour as a aggrieved victim of injustice in the justice system,
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: A clear point of outreach burned into the national consciousness,
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: a point with which all right thinkers agreed was simple.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: A woman's background, deportment, or choice of clothing should be
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: irrelevant to proving a charge of rape. So the country
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: was united condemning this jury and its conclusion. But the
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: irony lost in the post trial fervor is that nobody
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: involved in the case disagreed with that fine moral point.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: The attorney for the acused rapist said as much in
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: his summation. In their deliberations, the jurors how Blendina Chepponi
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: chose to live her life, how she chose to dress,
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: did not matter. What mattered to the jury was this
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: Blandina Chiapponi had clearly misrepresented herself under oath, not once,
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: but several times. Her story had inexplicably changed from one
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: statement to the next. Her explanation of events leading to
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: the assault, the alleged rape, her behavior during and after it,
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: were vague evasive suspect, although it pained them. In a
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: case with the physical evidence was inconclusive, the jury had
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: no choice but to look at the victim's credibility in
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: order to remove that last shred of reasonable doubt. As
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: the law demands. They looked, but they still doubted. If
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: Blendina Chepponi was a victim. She was not alone. The
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: six citizens who sat on the journey had done their
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: duty and were publicly vilified for it, largely because of
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: the myth of this case. A rape of justice was
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: much simpler, better story for the mass media than was
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: the difficult and subtly shaded truth. All right, strangers in
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: the night, So both Robert Evera and his ex wife
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: Shirley were driving northbound. All right, So they're driving. They
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: see this woman screaming, please help me, piece help me.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: All right. They see the knife in her in and
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: they pick her up and they take her to a phone.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: They describe how she was extremely scared, shaking like a leaf.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: And here we go. It looked like an open and
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: his shutcase. They had the victim. They had two eyewitnesses
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: to the victim's dramatic escape from her attacker. There were
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: five hours and one hundred and thirty miles from home.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: The victim's car was stolen, wrecked, and abandoned, with the
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: defendant's belongings in it. The suspects still had the hunting knife.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: A doctor's exam certified sexual penetration. A background check on
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: the twenty six year old suspect turned up a gold
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: mine of incriminating information. Georgia Lord had been charged with
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: sexual crimes remarkably similar to the one Chaponi described, including
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: two cases of a deduction at knife point, open and shot. Apparently, however,
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: there were complications. Lord had a cover story. Chapponi, he claimed,
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: was a hooker who'd picked him up at Denny's. He
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: said she had agreed to have sex for hit with
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: him for a hundred bucks and some of the thirty
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: five packets of cocaine he'd stolen from a Fort Lauderdale man.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: When the car crashed and seemed likely that the police
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: would come, Lord said Chapponi fled and cried rape to
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: avoid a drug arrest. And almost any other circumstance, that
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: story could have been dismissed quickly as ludicrous, a transparent,
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: self serving lie, but not necessarily Here Chippony's background was sketchy.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: She did not work or go to school, but owned
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: a condo and two expensive cars. She had been alone
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: in Denny's parking lot at three a m. Wearing a
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: lie face miniskirt, a tank top, and white high yields
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: and nothing else in December thirteenth, nineteen eighty eight memo
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: Assistant State Attorney Lisa Betchert. In eighty eight, Assistant State
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: Attorney Lisa Betchert, a Fort Lauderdale prosecut I thought women
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: didn't have jobs in the eighties. A Fort Lauderdale prosecutor,
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: noted some additional liabilities in taking the cris to the jury.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: The first was that Chappony, the state's star witness, admitted
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: using cocaine in the hours before the abduction. The second liability,
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: though not a crime, was of greater concern to the prosecutor.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: The victim, she wrote, does not wear underwear. There it
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: was the underwear, a short skirt and no underwear at
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: Denny's at three am. But Blenchert and ultimately decided the
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: state could deal with the problem. Chappony had no arrest record,
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: not for prostitution or anything else. I have thought about
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: all the pros and cons in this cape, Blessher Wright wrote,
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: and I decided, due to the defendants prior history, due
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: to the credibility the victim, that there is a solid
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: case against the defendant, and I will file charges. But
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: there was one other difficulty she had. Pony didn't want
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: to prosecute. She failed repeatedly to appear for meetings with
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: both the prosecution and the defense. By spring, Robert Burns,
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: an investigator from the state's attorney office, was dogging her
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: all right. So essentially this is the story of how
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: they cornered her and got her to actually appear. They
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: actually took her to jail. On May thirtieth, Burns went
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: to the complex to serve you Pony with a show
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: clause order as to why she should not be held
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: in a contempt for failing to cooperate with prosecutors. He
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: saw a Federal Express truck pull up to her place.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: The driver told Burns he picked up a letter from
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: the apartment, said the woman who gave it to him,
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: a woman with a small voice and long red hair,
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: called herself Monica Tailor. On June sixth, Boward Circuit car.
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  Speaker 1: So essentially they just picked her up. She ended up
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: in jail because she was avoiding. A bunch of cops
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: picked her up, and when they picked her up, she
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: started screaming rape. So and then she went to the
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: sheriff's office and there was a comedy of errors in
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: the prison. She ended up staying in jail for six
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: days because of contempt of court, which wasn't supposed to happen.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: There's like miscommunication, so that was an injustice.
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  Speaker 3: But she was fed, and she.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: Was also given the services of a rape counselor. And
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: actually the jail was quite upset about that accusation, or
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: at least the group that provided those services was, so
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: ultimately what ended up sort of scuppering her case. The
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: trial began, I'll start there. The trial began on September
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: twenty fifth, with the impaneling of a three person, three men,
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: three woman jury. Most first time juros weaned on TV.
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  Speaker 3: Courtroom theater surprised and dismayed to learn that real cases seldom.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: Deal with absolutes. Rarely are their stammered, tearful com blah
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: blah blah. This is just setting the stage. What became
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  Speaker 1: clear from almost the start was that no one was
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: emitting anything with corroborating evidence in either direction was scarce.
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  Speaker 1: Two pieces of evidence, Stephen Lord's alleged involvement with similar
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: crime in Georgia, plus the roadside scene witnessed by the
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: Riveras weighed against the defendant, but they were circumstantial and
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: even taken together that they weren't decisive, nor was anything else.
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  Speaker 1: Medical evidence showed only that Blandina Chipponi had had anle
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: and vaginal intercourse in the dirt shortly before she was examined.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: There were no series rips or abrasions, or any conclusive
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: signs of violence. The cut on her hand I was
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: cut up and left for dead, Chippony Tudd told Oprah
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: was a small, superficial wound to a finger, resembling a
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: paper cut. It required no treatment. She said she had
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: been hit in the head so hard with a rock
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: or heavy object that she swooned, but a post rape
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: hospital report makes no mention of a head and injury.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: The examining physician never even ordered an X ray, and
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: they would if she had a concussion and any kind
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: of head injury. So the jury realized the verdict would
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: depend on a matter of of credibility. Would they believe
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: Lord who claimed their sex acts had been consensual, or
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: they would they believe Chippony, who said she had been
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: forced into oral, anal and vaginal sex and knife point
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: in the dirt along an interstate highway. Lord's version the
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: witness stand was relatively straightforward. Chippony was a hooker. She
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: picked him up for a hunderbucks and the promise of
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: cocaine and more money. Then, when they reached Jacksonville, where
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: he said he was to deliver the sol drugs, where
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: he said he was to deliver the stolen drugs, he
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: had said they had sex willingly three times on their trip,
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: once in the trunk of the car, once in the
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: parking lot of a Fort Lauder Day Holiday inn, twice
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: in the underbushby beside the I ninety five. The knife,
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: he said was out on the seat because he needed
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: to hack away uncomfortable clearings in the grass. Straightforward, if
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: unsavory under oath. Chipotte was a different story, denying indignantly
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: she was a hooker cruising for tricks. She claimed that
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: prior to the assault, she had been a movie with
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: friends from out of town, but she could not recall
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: the names of her friends or the name of the
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: hotel where they stayed, nor how much time she had
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: spent with them prior meeting Lord. She claimed that these
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: friends also forced her to snort cocaine. So this is
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: now three people that she's blamed and she's falsely accused
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: of stuff. She testified, Well, no, we don't know. Lord
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: may have done it because he actually is a scumble.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: She testified at the time of the abduction, she was
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: going to Denny's for something to eat. But she also
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: said she had locked a purse in her trunk. Her
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: miniskirt has no pockets, nor did her tank top. She's
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: not carrying money in her hand. How is she going
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: to pay for her food? Against that inconsistency, And that's
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: where the underwear comes in. No underwear, where is she hiding?
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: Where's she keeping the cash to go eat at Denny's?
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: Against that consistency. The jury measured Stephen Lord's testimony that
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: Chapoti had told him she had come to Denny's not
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: to eat, but to mean a man who didn't show.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: She testified the first instance of rape that occurred somewhere
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: off the shoulder of eye, but Detective Tom White of
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: the Indian River Sheriff's department, The first lawman entered to
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: interview her after her rescue by the Averis, testified that
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: Chipponi had told him the first fourth sex act had
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: occurred on the trunk of her car, in the back
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: of a parking lot and a holiday inn, precisely where
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: Lord had said it occurred. Only Lord had called it consensual.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: So now we're seeing completely different accounts of what happened.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: Detective White offered something else that the jury found troubling
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: in her initial statements to him. Chipoti said she'd been
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: wearing underpants, but that Lord had torn them off and
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: thrown them away. She also told that to the nurse
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: of the hospital. Before the jury she had said flatly
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: she had been wearing no underpants in a desposition. She
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: had claimed she had mental medical condition which made wearing
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: underwear uncomfortable. She said that the condition had been diagnosed
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: by her longtime family doctor as early as junior high school,
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: but she couldn't recall her family doctor's name, even though
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: she'd said she's seen the woman once a year since
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: she was eighteen. Chipolti also told White several hours after
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: the attack that she worked at a modeling a talent age.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: He called World Images, but Robert Sutton, world Images president,
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: testified that she worked only one day for him, modeling
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: lingerie and career attire and a Valentinde's Day fashion show
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: at the night club Confetti. And that is this happened
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: around September. That would have been February, and that's not all,
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: Sutton testified. He also tourd the jury that Chapponi had
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: telephoned him when she learned that a former girlfriend of
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: his had been subpoena to testify for the defense. He
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: said Chapponi had threatened to tell everyone that his girlfriend
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: and her roommate had been running a brothel out of
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: their apartment, giving hand jobs and blowjobs. Sutton said this
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: was false, but it so frightened his former girlfriend that
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: she left town rather than testify. So she's also menacing
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: or blackmailing the defense's witnesses, potentially, according to Sutton. In
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: the deposition, Chapponi admitted making the phone call, but said
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: she owed only an admonished Sutton to tell his girlfriend
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: to tell the truth about her. Chapponi also admitted that
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: she lied about working at World Images. She said she
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: only did so be as her mother disapproved of not working.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: She said she lived on a generous trust fund from
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: her father dispense whenever she needed money by her attorney,
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: but even that version was undercut and trial. The defense
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: had to pay stubs amounting to four thousand over a
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: three month period from a place called Natural Bodyworks. Natural
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: Body works as a massage parlor. Yes, Chipoti then testified
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: she'd work there part time, but she said she had
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: done nothing more than give backrubs. She has condos in
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: California and can get ten thousand dollars from her lawyer.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: Defense attorney Tim Day asked the jurors in her summation,
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: what is she doing rubbering packs a Natural Body Works?
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 3: So as you can see, and.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: It goes on and on and on, this particular witness
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: was extremely inconsistent and unreliable. This is what she's saying,
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: Like she's mischaracterizing the public response to this trial and
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: the jury themselves. We're dealing with a creative, incredibly difficult
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: case in which the primary witness for the prosecution was
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: inconsistent as hell and actively lying in places. Okay, and
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: it all came down to whether or not she lied
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: about this instance. And yes, that kind of credibility does
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: relate to a false accusation. Now again, Stephen Lord is
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: an absolute scumbag. He eventually did time for actual rape,
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: so it's quite possible. But the problem is she's lying
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: all over the place, she's inconsistent, and everything comes and
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: the physical evidence doesn't support her allegation. So everything comes
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: down to her credibility and she's destroying it through lies.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: And one of the lies was the underwear which the
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: jury foreman referenced with the clothing, so it was taken
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: out of context and they vilified this jury as a
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: result of this. So this woman in this article today
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: mischaracterizing the case, mischaracterized the jury, mischaracterizing the response at
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: the time to the jury's conclusion and statements, and this
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: is continual in this They are construct these individuals, these
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: feminist individuals, are constructing a reality that supports their narrative
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: with inconsistent facts and complete lack of research.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 3: All right, let's continue. Ok, Yeah, I'm fine, what's wrong?
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: Oh it's just quiet, just checking this is Oh, sorry,
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: my mistake, I forgot to share the tab. Yeah, yes, well,
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: my apologies.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: The boys who sexualize their shoulders judges still hand out
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: five years. But I don't think they have school dress
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: codes still punish the girls who wear spaghetti straps instead
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: of because of the skirt she was wearing.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 4: We all feel she asked for it for the way
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 4: she was dressed.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: Said jury that we'd simplified. This is the simplified And
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: then she's alleging that society didn't respond with outrage at
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: the time, and yet the jury actually had really reasonable
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: reasons for making that statement and coming to the conclusion
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: that they did.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: That our biases have improved over the past thirty five years,
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: but I don't think they have school dress codes still
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: punish the girls who wears.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: Again, she's saying that the biases thirty five years ago
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: were bad, and yet there was outrage to the point
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: where this woman could go on a publicity tour to
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: talk about the outrage because people were so outraged over it.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: But it wasn't overturned because the jury had dealt with
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: the situation and the best way they knew how they
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: were smeared. But there was outrage at the time based
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: on a misinterpretation of the jury's findings. And she's saying
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: there was no outrage then and we haven't improved since then.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: What a lie, lie about the past and a lie.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: About now spaghetti straps. Instead of guys who sexualized their shoulders,
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: judges still hand.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: Out yeah, but they're the ones who are choosing, Like
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: sexualizing their shoulders is a thought crime, but wearing dress
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: appropriate to the educational institution where you are receiving an
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: education is a choice. It's the choice how to present
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: yourself in a physical reality that you share with other people.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: Lenient sentences to avoid ruining a young man's life.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 4: So he thought, do you realize how many?
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: Okay, first of all, brock Turner, if a woman even
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: got to the point of being charged with rape, Actually,
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: there was a recent UK and she was in charge
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: with rape because you know, women can't be charged with
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: rape under UK law, but agree with sexual assault. She
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: got off of it by saying because she was very fat,
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: I'm too lazy to get on top of him. And
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: what would a right male rape victim say that that
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: that the woman got on top of him raped him.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 3: That's the only thing they could allege.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: And I'm obviously too fat and lazy to have done it,
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: so you must have quit, and they did. So don't
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: give me this shit about juries giving like men being
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: acquitted of rape for stupid reasons. I've never heard a
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: reason that's stupid. But the person accused of rape simply says, well,
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: I hadn't eaten the breakfast that morning, so I didn't
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: know the energy to do it. She's wrong, she's lying.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: I skip leg day so I don't have the strength
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: to run after. She's lying like that's the equivalent case dismissed.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: At least brock turn or did time.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: Go unreported because survivors think people will discredit or blame them.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: At least twenty five women have publicly accused the President
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: of the United States it's a sexual assault. I don't
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 2: about this eyewitness accounts and audio recordings. He still holds
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: the most powerful position.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 3: But you know what, she doesn't say, a conviction, okay?
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 4: And for what?
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: So basically all these allegations equal a conviction.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 4: It's worth.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: Rape is still a colossal issue in Afghanistan and the
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 2: women there cover their bodies from head to toe.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: Are you sure or you because often in Middle East
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: young men boys report more sexual violence than women. So
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: are you sure compared to what in Afghanistan? No answer
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: and no no citations either.
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  Speaker 2: I just signed with a literary agent to represent my memoir.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: This is her part were Ad, which is currently out
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  Speaker 2: on submission to publishing houses.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going to go back to special Chat. See
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: where you guys are at. Yeah, why is chat so quiet?
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: Bringing awareness to grape but not for men? Chris Mizuno,
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: don't bring attention to rape for men because you know,
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: we never compare this to anything. And I have studies now,
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: and I've been watching this sphere for twenty years, there
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: are studies that indian that there is a very large
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: amount of men. In the last year, the Center of
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: Disease Control has found fifty percent of the victims of
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: forced sexual contact, force pet sexual penetration are men. For
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: several years in a row, they've found that nobody, nobody's
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: talking about it, though nobody's bringing attention to that. Okay,
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: Mike Denault, you were complaining about me not having citations,
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: and then I read you a compilation of information about
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: a case and you complain about that.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 3: I think you're just here to complain. Friend. The concept
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 3: of banking its earliest forms.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: Yes, its earliest forms which weren't weren't accessible to the
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: average person. Okay, this is ridiculous. Let me see if
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: there's are there any super child super chats? Guys are
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: really quiet, not sending many of those at all. You
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: must all be having fun in summer.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 3: Oh good lord.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: Anyway, I wanted to do this comprehensively because she's that
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: was her climax of outrage. Was this case in the
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: eighties where she alleges that society responded in a way
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: that it didn't because it did respond with outrage based
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: on a misreading of what the juries were actually finding it,
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: what the jury actually found and why.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 3: So back then people.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: Were outraged at the idea of a jury saying she
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: was asking for it for her clothing. In the eighties,
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: they were outraged by that. Okay, you guys have been
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: been lied to about history. Society's attitude to reds rape victims,
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: at least female ones, because our attitude towards male rape
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: victims is still abysmal. Society's attitude towards rape victims didn't
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: have to evolve from the eighties because it always was
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: that if a woman was raped and a jury said, oh,
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: she was asking for it because of what she wore.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: That would create a gigantic outrage, a gigantic media outrage,
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: because people didn't agree with that sentiment back then. Back
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: then it was something you said as like a horror,
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: like this is something people said to say that rape
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: victims are treated horribly and disbelieved, not something.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 3: That people genuinely believed.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: So you believe anybody who believes this is believing a
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: mischaracterization of our own history, all right, And that's what
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: these people push out constantly, mischaracterizations of history and people's attitudes.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: People didn't just start caring about rape and like the
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: when we got cell phones, are you freaking nuts? And again,
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: nobody cares about rape of men's particularly.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 3: By women, no one. So you have a point there when.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: You say talk about rape culture and people blaming the victim.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: But as for women, we have always cared about women
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: being raped, right, That's why we've had laws against it.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: That's why there was weird Guild, Like the Scandinavians had
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: Weird Guild, which was a set of penalties, financial penalties
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: applied to a man who took any kind of sexual
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: did any kind of sexual or physical aggression against a
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: woman because they didn't like that and they wanted to
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: punish it. All right, Okay, sorry for that empty air
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: there for guess who were getting up on the hour.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: I wanted to show you some other stuff, but it
• 1:29:16
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  Speaker 1: These individuals are constructing a narrative, a narrative of shame
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  Speaker 1: and blame of men anyway, so please help us out
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  Speaker 1: go into this special chat one last time. Okay, why
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  Speaker 1: is chat so quiet? It's probably summer. Everybody's out wandering around.
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  Speaker 1: How many of you guys are going to say, is
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  Speaker 1: that Ozzy Osbourne? No? Obviously not you freaking idiot. Why
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  Speaker 1: would Ozzy Osbourne be on a stream with twenty eight viewers?
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  Speaker 1: Did you read? Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't I can't even see it.
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  Speaker 1: What is it?
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  Speaker 5: It just says it's noble fan twenty one for a dollar.
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  Speaker 5: He says, I'm glad to have fun on the special
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  Speaker 5: bus today.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, thank you. Men on man rape, it's
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  Speaker 3: also bad. So is lesbian rape. Woman on woman rape.
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  Speaker 1: Women are actually in women's only prisons doing that three
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  Speaker 1: times more than men are doing it, so that's bad too.
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  Speaker 1: But usually on woman rape as compared to women on
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  Speaker 1: man rape, a woman also downplay when it doesn't matter. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: A bunch of men going on a Twitter thread and
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  Speaker 1: say I wish I was so lucky is irrelevant. What's
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  Speaker 1: relevant is the institutional discriminate against male victims of sexual
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  Speaker 1: assault that's in place now because feminists want to use
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  Speaker 1: sexual assault to prove that men use rape to uphold
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  Speaker 1: domestic or to ahold patriarchy. They want to use a
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  Speaker 1: social ill to put their ideological framework, so they discriminate
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  Speaker 1: against men's male victims in statistics, in law, and in policy.
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  Speaker 3: That's what matters.
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  Speaker 1: Does anybody use the idea that men are women by
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  Speaker 1: rape fantasies in romantic fiction or like dark romance. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: where women are reading.
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  Speaker 3: About a woman being raped.
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  Speaker 1: As erotic and titillating? Do you use that to excuse
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  Speaker 1: would you ever use that to excuse institutional discrimination against
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  Speaker 1: female victims of sexual violence? So why is it even
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  Speaker 1: relevant that there are men on Twitter or anywhere saying oh,
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  Speaker 1: you got lucky? It isn't It's like female women consensually
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  Speaker 1: reading about a rape fantasy isn't relevant to anything to
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  Speaker 1: do with female rape victims. Okay, so drop it.
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  Speaker 3: It's not relevant.
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  Speaker 1: What's relevant is institutional discrimination against male rape victims put
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  Speaker 1: in place by feminists who are using the issue to
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  Speaker 1: prove their ideological framework that men use rape to appold patriarchy.
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  Speaker 1: That's what matters, all right, Okay, if you play some
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  Speaker 1: Ozzy Oddsborn, I'll listen. Yeah, unfortunately, that will get our
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  Speaker 1: stream yanked instantly. Okay, I'm done with this, all right,
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  Speaker 1: thank you guys for attending. I don't think there's anything further.
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  Speaker 1: I'll take a look at the superchows.
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  Speaker 3: I do wanna do a little.
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  Speaker 1: Bit of a shout out, I might as well do that.
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  Speaker 1: Now I am in the initial stages of planning another meetup.
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  Speaker 1: I'm thinking of making a little bit more structured. So
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna rent a conference room. We're gonna have it
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  Speaker 1: at a hotel. We'll do maybe some presentations if people
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  Speaker 1: are amalable to that, maybe maybe we'll do like some games, whatever.
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  Speaker 1: actually Karen is closer to Calgary than I am, but
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  Speaker 6: Men's ride activists are machines, dude. Okay, they are literal machines.
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  Speaker 6: They are talking point machines. They are impossible to fucking
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  Speaker 6: deal with, especially if you have like especially if you
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  Speaker 6: have like a couple of dudes who have good memory.
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  Speaker 6: On top of that too, holy shit, you're fucked.