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Richie McGinniss Was There on January 6 — What He Saw Raises New Questions · Unshaken & Unafraid with Joe Pags

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  Speaker 1: I actually found out later that I was right next
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  Speaker 1: to Ray Epps as he was exiting. So kind of
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  Speaker 1: once the deed, you know, once the Capitol was being overrun,
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  Speaker 1: he he exited. There was a bunch of obviously pepper
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  Speaker 1: spray and tear gas. And so in my footage, I
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  Speaker 1: found later that Ray Epps was right next to me
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  Speaker 1: and was walking away as I was about to climb
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  Speaker 1: up that tower.
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  Speaker 2: We don't talk about it much anymore, but we should.
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  Speaker 2: The January 6th riot, the dust up, the protest that
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  Speaker 2: people are calling it the insurrection, which, of course, it wasn't.
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  Speaker 2: But we should be talking about it because there are
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  Speaker 2: a couple of things that really are outstanding. People were
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  Speaker 2: thrown in prison or in jail, didn't have any rights.
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  Speaker 2: They got no due process for a long time. And
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  Speaker 2: after four years, President Trump said, I'm going to let
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  Speaker 2: you out. I'm going to exonerate your records. And people
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  Speaker 2: are still freaking out about that. What really happened that day?
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  Speaker 2: And do we really know who the pipe bomber was? Allegedly,
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  Speaker 2: we do, but we're not so sure. Richard McGinnis is
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  Speaker 2: an independent journalist. He's the CEO of The Resilient Show,
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  Speaker 2: author of Riot Diet and contributor over at Politibrawl. Good
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  Speaker 2: to see you, Richie. How are you? I'm great.
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  Speaker 1: A little rainy in the swamp over here in D.C.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody watching and listening knows that you mean D.C. You
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  Speaker 2: don't have to say D.C. when you say the swamp.
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  Speaker 2: We just had a little bit of a chat beforehand.
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  Speaker 2: You just said the swamp. I was like, great, so
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  Speaker 2: you're in D.C. Let's talk about that day in D.C.
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  Speaker 2: Some estimates say upwards of a million people were going
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  Speaker 2: to show up. I think the smallest estimate, say 250,000
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  Speaker 2: people were there, most of them to have their voices heard,
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  Speaker 2: to be peaceable, to not do anything wrong. The president says,
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  Speaker 2: go and peacefully make your voice heard, make sure that
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  Speaker 2: they do what you want them to do. And something
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  Speaker 2: happened in the Capitol. Now, the people that broke things, bad.
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  Speaker 2: You should be charged. People who actually rioted, vandalized, that's bad.
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  Speaker 2: They should be charged. But they were locking up grandmas.
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  Speaker 2: They were locking up people that were just taking a
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  Speaker 2: selfie inside the actual building. You were there, had the
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  Speaker 2: proper credential. How did that day unfold? Did you feel
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  Speaker 2: early on that something bad was going to go down?
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  Speaker 2: Or did it seem like a really big protest or
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  Speaker 2: a really big rally?
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  Speaker 1: No, I thought that the chaos was going to unfold immediately.
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  Speaker 1: around dark as it had with the previous two Stop
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  Speaker 1: the Steals in November, Stop the Steal rallies in November
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  Speaker 1: and December, when the protesters all start to filter out
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  Speaker 1: and they engage with counter protesters throughout the city. So
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  Speaker 1: I was actually back in Georgetown streaming Trump's speech because
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  Speaker 1: I knew there was going to be no internet down there.
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  Speaker 1: I was the video director at the Daily Caller at
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  Speaker 1: the time. I had five reporters on the ground. And
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  Speaker 1: so I was quarterbacking everything from there. And I planned
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  Speaker 1: to go down around 3 or 4 p.m. My wife,
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  Speaker 1: who was working in Rayburn at the time, which is
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  Speaker 1: a house office building near the Capitol, she was on
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  Speaker 1: the roof, and she told me she saw police running
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  Speaker 1: in opposite directions at about 105, 110. So at that point,
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  Speaker 1: I got my bulletproof vest because I'd already gone through
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  Speaker 1: the BLM stuff. I'd already witnessed tons of riots. So
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  Speaker 1: this time, I was prepared equipment-wise. I had my bulletproof backpack.
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  Speaker 1: my bulletproof vest, my ballistic helmet and my gas mask.
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  Speaker 1: And I brought my skateboard because I knew I was
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  Speaker 1: going to hit traffic in the Uber. Uber hits traffic.
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  Speaker 1: I'm already all strapped in and skateboarded down to the
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  Speaker 1: Western Front, got there about 2 p.m. right as the
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  Speaker 1: clashes were really ramping up and climbed that media tower
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  Speaker 1: that was about halfway built for the inauguration. And I
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  Speaker 1: was hanging from there, filming the breaking of the police line.
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  Speaker 1: I saw everybody streaming in and decided, just like with BLM,
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  Speaker 1: you know, my job is to get in between the
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  Speaker 1: rioters slash protesters and police and show people at home
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  Speaker 1: what's happening because i don't trust either of those two
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  Speaker 1: parties to be impartial as far as covering the event.
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  Speaker 2: So while you're there you've got the proper credential do
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  Speaker 2: you show that to the capitol police and then they
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  Speaker 2: leave you alone because a lot of people got arrested
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  Speaker 2: that were just there saying that they were documenting.
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  Speaker 1: Well interestingly i actually published all this footage i had
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  Speaker 1: the credential on my phone so like it was i
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  Speaker 1: was holding the credential while i was filming so it
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  Speaker 1: was right up in the police they could see it
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  Speaker 1: and One of the police officers, because I was so well-dressed,
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  Speaker 1: I was so well-prepared, snatched the credential out of my
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  Speaker 1: hand about midway through when the rotunda was getting crushed.
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  Speaker 1: They were pushing everybody out. So I had my credential
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  Speaker 1: snatched from me, and I published the footage. I said,
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  Speaker 1: what are you doing, man? Now I'm going to get arrested.
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  Speaker 1: At one point, an officer, a tactical officer came in,
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  Speaker 1: and I believe it was the tactical FBI squad came in.
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  Speaker 1: They had rifles, and they said everyone in here is
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  Speaker 1: getting arrested, but they ended up ferrying us out.
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  Speaker 2: And.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody got arrested that day. A lot of other people
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  Speaker 1: did thereafter, but I never even was contacted by the feds.
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  Speaker 1: I witnessed the shooting, Kyle Rittenhouse shooting in Kenosha. I
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  Speaker 1: talked to police. They asked me for my footage, and
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  Speaker 1: I gave over my footage that was relevant to the case.
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  Speaker 1: I had interviewed him 13 minutes beforehand. But as far
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  Speaker 1: as January 6th, not a peep. Never even heard from
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  Speaker 1: the feds once.
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  Speaker 2: When you're there on January 6th, and again, it's Richie McGinnis,
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  Speaker 2: go and check him out at richiemcginnis.com. When you're there
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  Speaker 2: watching it unfold- I was a journalist for a long time.
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  Speaker 2: I was a TV news anchor. I was a reporter.
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  Speaker 2: Did the job very well. I'm a commentator now. But
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  Speaker 2: I know when I went and covered stories, I wasn't
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  Speaker 2: making a decision on what I was seeing. I was
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  Speaker 2: just seeing it, keeping a journal of it, giving it
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  Speaker 2: to my audience later. When you're doing it right then,
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  Speaker 2: does anything tweak it? Does the hair in the back
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  Speaker 2: of your neck stand up and go, there's something weird
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  Speaker 2: going on here. This isn't just some uprising. There seems
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  Speaker 2: to be some other force. Are you just documenting it
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  Speaker 2: and then you started thinking about what you just saw later?
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  Speaker 1: Well, my very first thought when I got onto the
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  Speaker 1: Western front about 2 PM was why am I better
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  Speaker 1: prepared than almost every single one of these cops? Because
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  Speaker 1: most of them didn't have gas masks. I actually found
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  Speaker 1: out later that I was right next to Ray Epps
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  Speaker 1: as he was exiting. So kind of once the deed,
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  Speaker 1: you know, once the Capitol was being overrun, he, he exited,
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  Speaker 1: there was a bunch of obviously pepper spray and tear gas.
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  Speaker 1: And so in my footage, I found later that Ray
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  Speaker 1: Epps was right next to me and had was walking
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  Speaker 1: away as I was about to climb up that tower.
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  Speaker 1: But really, I mean, whether it's BLM or MAGA in
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  Speaker 1: all these situations, when you have a large crowd of people,
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't take more than a very small handful of
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  Speaker 1: people to agitate the police, to create a response. And
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  Speaker 1: once the pepper spray and the tear gas comes out,
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  Speaker 1: it activates the lizard brain. You're not using the frontal
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  Speaker 1: cortex anymore. So while I had a gas mask, everybody
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  Speaker 1: else was getting pepper sprayed, doused with tear gas. And
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  Speaker 1: it's really hard to make rational decisions at that point.
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  Speaker 1: And the fact of the matter is the, the capital, the,
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  Speaker 1: leading up to the Capitol. So it's on a hill, obviously,
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  Speaker 1: but all of the people, there were hundreds of thousands
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  Speaker 1: of people streaming from the ellipse and none of them
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  Speaker 1: could see anything beyond the crowd of people moving in
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  Speaker 1: front of them. And by the time I arrived at
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  Speaker 1: 2 PM, all of the barricades, the flimsy barricades that
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  Speaker 1: they had arranged were trampled. So people were really just
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  Speaker 1: following each other, um, towards the Capitol. A lot of
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  Speaker 1: them were from outside DC. They didn't really know that
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  Speaker 1: the Capitol was a restricted area. So, I mean, a
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  Speaker 1: ton of them wandered in, but that, you know, that
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  Speaker 1: tip of the spear, it only took a couple of
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  Speaker 1: people to agitate that and create the kind of chaotic situation,
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  Speaker 1: not kind of very chaotic situation that took place.
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  Speaker 2: And by the way, one of the agitators was Ray Epps.
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  Speaker 2: And I can say that because he's on video agitating.
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  Speaker 2: He's on video saying, we're going to go in there tomorrow.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to go inside the Capitol. Interestingly, I had
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  Speaker 2: not heard this. This is brand new information to me
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  Speaker 2: that once it was breached, he was out of there.
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  Speaker 2: That's kind of interesting. I thought he was going to
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  Speaker 2: be the leader of it all. He's going to go
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  Speaker 2: in there and he's going to make sure that our
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  Speaker 2: voices are heard. That didn't happen at all. So he
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  Speaker 2: goes through the Barrett. We've got video of him telling people,
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  Speaker 2: go through the barricade, get through there, go, go do
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  Speaker 2: it now. And you literally saw him leave before like
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  Speaker 2: the height of all of it. You've, even happened.
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  Speaker 1: That's interesting. This is before the police line broke, but
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  Speaker 1: as everybody was... Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So he did whatever the job was that he thought
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  Speaker 2: he was going to do. And again, I can say
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  Speaker 2: that without worrying about getting sued because I've seen all
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  Speaker 2: the video with him saying, we're going to go in.
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  Speaker 2: That we see the day of where he's telling people,
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  Speaker 2: go past those barricades. So later when you find out
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  Speaker 2: that there are a couple of dozen Former CIs in
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  Speaker 2: the audience or in the crowd. And then Kash Patel
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  Speaker 2: says there were 275 or something FBI agents who were
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  Speaker 2: there for crowd control, which doesn't make sense. It didn't
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  Speaker 2: say FBI, didn't say crowd control. They weren't armed and
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  Speaker 2: weren't wearing masks and everything else. So we know that
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  Speaker 2: there was a big deep state presence. There was a
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  Speaker 2: big FBI presence there. Were you surprised when you found
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  Speaker 2: that information out?
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  Speaker 1: Not at all. I'm a hockey player. I play in
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  Speaker 1: a number of men's leagues in Washington, D.C. I have
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  Speaker 1: since I graduated college in D.C. in 2012. So I've
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  Speaker 1: had buddies on the team. They're FBI guys, DEA. And
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  Speaker 1: a lot of these guys, during the BLM stuff, there'd
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  Speaker 1: be a march of like 30 people. And they would
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  Speaker 1: be in those crowds. So to think, and the fact
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  Speaker 1: that our media was squawking about the fact that, oh,
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  Speaker 1: there were no feds in the crowd. I mean, it's
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  Speaker 1: completely ridiculous to think that a crowd that size Even
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  Speaker 1: the smaller protests, the smaller marches over the course of
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  Speaker 1: the quote-unquote summer of love, there were plainclothes officers, feds,
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  Speaker 1: observing what was going on. In Kenosha, they had a
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  Speaker 1: Cessna that was flying over. We found that out in court.
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  Speaker 1: They had a drone that was flying over the riots.
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  Speaker 1: And if you have intelligence in the air, then you
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  Speaker 1: obviously have assets on the ground. So if they have
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  Speaker 1: it in Kenosha, of course they're going to have it
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  Speaker 1: in Washington, D.C. It's ridiculous to think that they wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: have a strong presence of plainclothes officers in that crowd.
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  Speaker 2: Richie McGinnis, it's R-I-C-H-I-E, mcginniss.com. Go and follow him right now.
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  Speaker 2: Independent journalist. So let's get to the end of this.
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  Speaker 2: Will we ever find out what really happened on January 6th?
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  Speaker 2: We know that they had a permit to do the rally.
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  Speaker 2: We know that a lot of people were going to
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  Speaker 2: show up. I thought about going for a while. I
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  Speaker 2: decided not to, thank goodness.
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  Speaker 1: But.
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  Speaker 2: All of a sudden, we're going to breach the Capitol,
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  Speaker 2: and most people were walking around taking selfies. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: the shaman guy was actually let into the Senate chamber
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  Speaker 2: by Capitol Police. Will we ever know exactly what it was?
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  Speaker 2: Because I've been saying this for a long time, and
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  Speaker 2: it's verifiably true. Donald Trump did not benefit from the
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  Speaker 2: January 6th riot. Joe Biden did. That shut down any
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  Speaker 2: questions about the election, shut down any challenges to the electors. So,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, to me, I think it'd be very interesting
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  Speaker 2: to find out what really happened. It's now been a
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  Speaker 2: long time. Will we ever know?
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  Speaker 1: I think, I mean, do we know anything? Do we
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  Speaker 1: really know what we need to know about the Kennedy assassination? No.
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  Speaker 1: I think there's certain things that will come out over
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  Speaker 1: the years. For example, I've been doing, I'm writing a book.
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  Speaker 1: I already wrote a book about the BLM protests and riots.
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  Speaker 1: And now I'm writing one about January 6th and the
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  Speaker 1: election leading up to it, all the stop the steals.
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  Speaker 1: And so I've been doing a lot of digging specifically
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  Speaker 1: into people like Ray Epps. I've been talking to a
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  Speaker 1: lot of my friends who are and sources who are,
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  Speaker 1: you know, feds and just about specifically who was in there.
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  Speaker 1: And I've been doing research as to who was not arrested.
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  Speaker 1: Ray Epps was arrested, but only on a misdemeanor. So
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  Speaker 1: they threw a book, the book at a lot of
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  Speaker 1: these people. And I'm working on identifying specific individuals who
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  Speaker 1: got off easy, so to speak, and then we can
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  Speaker 1: track down exactly who they were.
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  Speaker 2: Do you agree that the winner that day, though, was
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  Speaker 2: Joe Biden and his potential presidency? Without a doubt. Because
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  Speaker 2: why would Trump start this trouble and stop Ted Cruz
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  Speaker 2: and Josh Hawley and the others that were going to
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  Speaker 2: be challenging the electors? He wouldn't.
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  Speaker 1: That would be stupid. It makes absolutely no sense. And
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  Speaker 1: in fact, when I was pitching my book, the BLM book,
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  Speaker 1: at the end of 2022, I was told by both
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  Speaker 1: conservative and lefty publishers, that Donald Trump was done after
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  Speaker 1: January 6th. It was the nail in the coffin. It
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  Speaker 1: was going to be DeSantis. And the Trump era was
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  Speaker 1: old news because I was writing about it as a
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  Speaker 1: primary source. It was history. And they said, nobody cares anymore.
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  Speaker 1: He's done. And I knew that that wasn't the case
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  Speaker 1: because I saw how much, what a strong following he
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  Speaker 1: had on that day and thereafter.
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  Speaker 1: It's just completely ridiculous to think that Trump, you know,
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  Speaker 1: was the one who wanted that to happen. Obviously, it
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  Speaker 1: benefited Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden, and the Democrats, and they
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  Speaker 1: thought they had him done in, but they were wrong, obviously.
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  Speaker 2: A hundred percent. Then they spent four years trying to
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  Speaker 2: lock him up so he couldn't run again. Riot Diet
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  Speaker 2: is the name of the book. He's the author, Richie McGinnis.
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  Speaker 2: Talk to me about this guy. I don't know anything
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  Speaker 2: from anything other than it doesn't make sense to me
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  Speaker 2: that this, what, 30-year-old guy that was arrested that seems
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  Speaker 2: to have had some, maybe autism in his past or something,
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  Speaker 2: suddenly he's the mastermind. Not some.
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  Speaker 1: He's autistic?
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  Speaker 2: Well, you can fill me in on that.
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  Speaker 1: Very autistic.
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  Speaker 2: But somehow he's the guy that we see on video,
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  Speaker 2: although days before that, Richie, There were people pointing to
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  Speaker 2: a Capitol police officer, a woman that somehow the gate
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  Speaker 2: in stride looked more like her. What can you tell
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  Speaker 2: my audience and me about the guy they have and
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  Speaker 2: whether you think through your extensive research, not just your opinion,
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  Speaker 2: they got the right guy.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Steve Baker is the one he was working at
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  Speaker 1: the blaze at the time. And in November, he named
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  Speaker 1: November 8th. He came out with an article that named
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  Speaker 1: this Capitol police officer as the potential January 6th pipe bomber.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And, this is almost five years later. Nope, no suspects,
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  Speaker 1: no leads. And within a month, well, actually within days,
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  Speaker 1: the FBI began surveilling this individual, Brian Cole Jr., who
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  Speaker 1: was a month later arrested. So after five years, you
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  Speaker 1: have nothing. And then Steve Baker comes out, names this
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  Speaker 1: Capitol police officer who actually then went on to work
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  Speaker 1: at the CIA. And they come down and Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I want to make sure I understand the timeline. So
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  Speaker 2: Steve Baker releases that before we hear anything about this
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  Speaker 2: Brian Cole guy.
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  Speaker 1: That's right. November 8th. And then Brian Cole was arrested
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  Speaker 1: on December 5th. And from what I understand, Steve Baker
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  Speaker 1: has a few whistleblowers from within the FBI. He was
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  Speaker 1: surveilled starting about five days after Baker named this Capitol
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  Speaker 1: Police officer.
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  Speaker 2: So, I mean, obviously, there's something there. But knowing that
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  Speaker 2: there's something there, here's the frustrating part for you, for me,
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  Speaker 2: for those watching and listening. The frustrating part is, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we know that that's probably wink and nod, not really
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  Speaker 2: who Ray Epps was. Yeah, we probably know that this
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  Speaker 2: Capitol Police officer should be investigated. Wink, wink, nod, nod.
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  Speaker 2: But let's arrest this guy. There's nothing to see here.
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  Speaker 2: How do we ever, as the American public— ever get
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  Speaker 2: the truth, knowing the deep state has a completely different
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  Speaker 2: government going on. They do anything they want, anytime they want.
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: And if you raise too much of a stink, you're
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: going to be surveilled. You're going to be canceled. And
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: we're going to make sure that you don't get the
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: real person who did it because that person is protected.
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: How do we fix that? Can we?
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: Well, I'll use the Kenosha trial, the Kyle Rittenhouse trial
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: that I testified in as an example. Independent media was there.
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: Corporate media was not. We all had our cameras rolling
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: and Kyle Rittenhouse was acquitted. because of the extensive video
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: evidence and eyewitness evidence that myself and people like BG
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: on the scene, uh, Brennan Gutenschwager who filmed the second
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: and third shootings provided. So I use that as an
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: example because the, the deep state, as you, as you call,
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: as you call it, which, uh, you know, that's a
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: term that was actually coined by Peter Dale Scott, who
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: was a lefty in the wake of nine 11. So
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: for this to be some kind of like, Oh, Maga,
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: you're so dumb using that term. It's like, no, this,
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: there is a deep state. It has existed for decades. Yeah. And,
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: The difference now is that we have cell phones. We
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: have extensive video footage. We have digital records. And so
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: I don't think that they're capable of pulling off the
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: cover-ups that they were in the past. So when you
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: look at this J6 pipe bomber case, they have a trial.
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: They thought that Brian Cole Jr., they threw the book
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: at him. They thought he was going to plea down,
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: be scared of life in prison. But it turns out
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: his dad is a bail bondsman who has the means
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: and the legal expertise to hire a really good legal team.
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: And they're going to take this to court. And number one,
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: I don't think that an autistic black dude is going
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: to get convicted by a DC jury with the evidence
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: that they have so far, at least the evidence that
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: I've seen. And number two, Steve Baker is now coming
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: out with receipts on the cell phone pings that were
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: possibly potentially law enforcement that were in the area where
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: the bombs were planted on January 5th. So I think
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: because of the technology, you're no longer able to get
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: away with this kind of stuff in the way that
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: you were able to do in the past. So I
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: do think that there's a reckoning on the horizon. I
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: know it's taken a lot longer than Trump promising to
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: get rid of the deep state in 2016. It's now
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: 10 years later, and obviously it's still up to the
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: same old tricks. But I think if you look on
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: a longer timeline, they're not going to be able to
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: control the discourse and control these kind of highly charged
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: events in the way that they were in the past.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: I've seen video and it's Richard McGinnis. Go and check
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: him out wherever, wherever you can find great books. Go
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: check out his book, Riot Diet. He's a contributor, political brawl.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: Go check that out. His website, richardmcginnis.com. Maybe I'm wrong.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: You can correct me if I'm wrong. Isn't there a
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: video available of the person they thought might've been the
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: person who planted the pipe bombs, walking up to SUVs
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: and talking to like undercover cops, or maybe even marked cars,
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: having a conversation and taking off and having a nice day.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, they, they want me to believe this Brian
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: Cole guy did that.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: Well, that's that's the I mean, it would be funny
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: if it weren't so serious. So the FBI released less
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: than a minute of footage went in their attempts. Five
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollar reward that was offered in the five
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: years they released one minute of video. It looks it
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: appears that it's one frame per second. I mean, this
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: is 2026 and it looks like.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: I'm doing 60 frames per second. For those who don't know,
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: I'm doing 60 frames for one frame per second sucks.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: It's almost like a non-motion movie.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, stop motion, exactly. But Steve Baker was, when they
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: opened up the terminals, and I actually saw Steve a
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: bunch of times in there as I was following my
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: own journey through January 6th, in this terminal where they
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: were allowing us to view Capitol Police CCTV footage, he
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: was able to ascertain a ton of additional video clips
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: of the J6 pipe bomber, this hooded figure. And what
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: you're referring to, I think, is the fact that there's a...
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: So if you can imagine, you're planting these bombs and...
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: you're whatever, but let's say you're Brian Cole. Yeah. A police,
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: a marked police car drives past the J six pipe
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: bomber and whether or not they're waving, it's not clear,
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: but they raise their arm in the air. Now, if
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: you were, if you were committing this dastardly crime, why
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: would you raise your arm like that? Perhaps they, they
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: were in on a training exercise. They were compartmentalized. They
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: didn't realize, you know, that this was going to be
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: turned into what it was turned into. But the behavior
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: that you can see on that surveillance footage is completely
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: Very contrary to some random autistic loner who, for some reason,
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: unbeknownst to me, decided to plant these bombs.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: No, it makes no sense. It's Richard McGinnis. Let me
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: take you to a different place that's all connected. We
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: know that the deep state is real. We know that
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: what they were doing has certainly been a star chamber
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: or a counter government. We know that because of the
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: Russia collusion lies. I mean, the Russia collusion lies are
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: so stupid. My daughter and I had a good laugh
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: over it the other day. She's 11. Having said that,
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: Adam Schiff got a promotion. He's now a senator. James
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: Comey has gotten away with just about everything. They might
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: get him for $ 86.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: 47.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: I doubt it. But, I mean, the lies are aplenty.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: We know they made that entire thing up.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: Whole cloth.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: Let's just make it up. He peed in some bed
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: with a prostitute in Moscow. None of it was transposed.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: His banks are connected directly to the White House, and
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: they're Russian banks, and they're being controlled. Jake Sullivan said that.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: So these people lied. Hillary Clinton lied. James Comey lied.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: Brennan lied. John McCain, it appears, may have lied by
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: turning over the actual so-called dossier. So yeah, it's good
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: that we see like a Swalwell be shown the door.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: Is that the first chink in the armor? Because he
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: was on the intelligence committee while he was sleeping with
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: an alleged Chinese spy. So we know the deep state
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: is real. We know that it's active. But so far, Richie,
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: they've gotten away with it. Are we getting close to
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: breaking through? Was Swalwell just a one-off? Or is he
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: the start of maybe more heads will roll? I think
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: we're working towards more heads rolling. But I think more importantly,
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: since COVID, what we're seeing is the general public waking
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: up to all this. And so regardless of what people
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: who are currently in government are going to be held accountable,
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: whether or not they will be held accountable criminally, is actually,
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: to me, less important than the groundswell of public knowledge
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: regarding how things work. And if enough people become aware
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: of this, then five, 10 years down the road, you
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: have an 11 year old, I have a two year
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: old and a nine month old. I'm hoping that by
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: the time that they're of adult age, that the American
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: public has woken up to who's really running the show,
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: and they vote accordingly. So I do think that there,
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: there is change on the horizon, I do think that
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: people are becoming much more aware of how these things function.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: And I think the J six pipe pipe bombing case
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: is a great example of opportunity to wake up the public.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: And so maybe not the next election cycle, but the
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: one after that and the one after that, I think
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: we're going to see a steady progression towards candidates who
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: actually want to do things on behalf of the American
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: people and not just these slime balls within the beltway. Well,
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: I agree with you, but the vote has to count,
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: and that's not necessarily something that's locked into reality. Right,
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, in November, we don't know what's going to happen.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: So let me go here. You somehow embedded yourself in Chaz.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: I think they called it Chop, too, didn't they? So
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: Chaz and Chop, you're in Portland, you're in Kenosha. Yeah,
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: you're all over the place. How exactly is it that
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: you can be around these people for more than 30
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: seconds without barfing? I mean, if you're in Chaz, it
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: was nasty, it was drugs, it was prostitution. Somebody died
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: in one of these things. You know, I mean, they
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: must all smell. You just have to act like you're
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: a loner and a loser. I mean, how do you
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: deal with that? And how long were you embedded to
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: where they had no idea that you're actually documenting it?
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• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Well, Mike, the way I would do it is just
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: hide in plain sight. So I would go up to like,
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: I call them the umbrella gang. You know, these guys
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: who bring out the fellas to block pepper balls and
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: whatever from the police, I would go up to the
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: head guy. And that was the, during the summer of love,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: it was all about the white claw. I don't know
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: if people remember it's a spiked seltzer. So to be, to, to,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: to be completely honest about what my strategy was, I
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: would just, I would just get a little bit buzzed,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: I guess is the best way to put it. I
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: wouldn't get like raucously. I would just be, I'll go
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: in there with a backpack full of white claws. just
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: start drinking with them and just say, Hey, what's up?
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Why are you here? And I guess, you know, whether
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: it was them or the proud boys who definitely don't
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: smell good, but smell less bad. Right. Okay. For me
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: that the interesting part was knowing that this, it was,
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: it was so bizarre to think this is America, the
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: United States of America, and this is happening right now.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: But knowing that in 20 years, we're going to look
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: back and say, that was the year that everybody went
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: completely insane and, So the fact that I was privy
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: to that, that was really my motivating factor the whole
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: time was just I need to film this. I need
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: to show people how these people really think because it's
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: completely insane. I mean, I don't want to use any
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: swear words, but absolutely bet you know what, insane. And so, yeah,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: I kind of drank my way through it, had some
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: nicotine pouches. So that was my strategy.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: That's all you need. Okay, so kids, now you know
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: how to get into one of these things. Was that
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: organic when they shut down six city blocks in Portland?
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Is that organic when they do that in Seattle? Or
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: is that somehow funded and financed from outside? You get
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: some losers, some loaners, and you get some people confused.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: Then you get some people that are leading it. How
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: would you identify it? Organic? Paid for? A little of both?
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: It's a little bit of both. So it's a combination of,
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: and you see this now with the no Kings protests,
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: these are all filtered through NGOs. You know, for example,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: George Soros, he funds the tides foundation. Then the tides
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: foundation gives it to the no K they, they launder
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: it through multiple different, um, nonprofits so that it's not
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: traceable back to the original source of the big money.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: But really ultimately what you have to do is just
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: make a bunch of signs. I mean, it doesn't take
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: that much money because of, half of America is so anti-Trump,
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: and especially during that time in 2020, what it really was,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: the motivating factor were the politicians in these Democrat-run cities
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: who were using the BLM protests and Trump in the
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: White House as their moment in the sun. So every
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: single governor and local mayor was coming out of the woodwork,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: and Durkin in Seattle was saying, Donald Trump's not welcome
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: in our city, and her way of putting a thumb
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: in the eye of Donald Trump was abandoning and capitulating
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: a six block area of Capitol Hill in Seattle, a
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: major American city, right? Abandoning the police precinct and allowing
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: these people to take over. And what was the first
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: thing that they did in the Chaz? And this is
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: another reason why it was so interesting to be there
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: because it was like an anthropological experiment. The first thing
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: that they did was set up, they called them barriers,
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: not walls, barriers along the border and put armed guards there.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: And you know what happened? You know why they finally
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: cleared out the Chaz? Because two black kids, 16 and
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: 19 years old, were killed at those checkpoints by these roving,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: untrained armed guards, border guards. And you know what? I
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: didn't see all these major corporations and these politicians all
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: donating and pledging their support to those black kids who
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: were killed during that BLM protests. So they packed up,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: they moved on and went on to Portland and everybody
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: looked towards the next city.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: I laughed when you said that because they're wholesale against
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: any border guards and any barriers to stop people from
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: coming into the country. But we can own this six
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: block area. So in other words, the police in Seattle,
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: the police in Portland could have shut this down anytime
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: they wanted. They didn't want to. It's almost like in Minneapolis,
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: where you were as well, where Jacob Price says, let
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: them take down the precinct. And they do. They burned
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: down a freaking police precinct and everything that was inside
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: of it. So this is planned mayhem. Was it different? Seattle,
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: it appeared to me, and again, I'm far away from there,
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: and Portland, it appeared to be a bunch of druggy,
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: indoctrinated idiots. They didn't know what the hell was going on,
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: but it was a cool autonomous zone, man. Look at us.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: But in Minneapolis, it looked like Like there was a
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: lot of money being injected from outside sources, bricks being
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: put on the side of the road, knowing that people
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: would go and grab them and they would burn down
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: the city. They did. They lost hundreds and hundreds of
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: businesses that will never come back. Like I said, they
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: took down a police precinct and very few people paid
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: the price. Is there a decided difference between something like
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: what happened in Minneapolis and something that happened out in
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: the West Coast? Yeah.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: Well, at Minneapolis, Kenosha, I think are similar examples because
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: I also saw bricks that were just mysteriously showed up
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: in Kenosha in the Civic Park. And I was in
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: Minneapolis in George Floyd Square. It's a lot more crimes
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: of opportunity. So a lot of the arsonists in Kenosha
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: had come from Chicago. A lot of the people in
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: the inner city in Minneapolis really just saw this moment
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: of anarchy and used it as an opportunity just to
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: go get some yucks and smash windows and burn down buildings.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: Whereas in Portland and Seattle, it's a much more organized
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: political organization that's you know, handing out, they had riot
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: ribs in that park right across from the federal courthouse
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: in Portland. They all have gas masks. They have their umbrellas. They're,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: they're very well prepared. Whereas in Kenosha, Minneapolis, uh, it's,
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: it's a lot more ad hoc and just like, okay, well,
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: You know, we found out during the Kenosha trial that
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: a lot of these people who were causing mayhem, burning
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: down buildings, were actually from Chicago and Milwaukee. No. No way.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: Chicago and Milwaukee? That sounds crazy to me.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: How is that possible?
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Go and get his book. It's called Riot Diet, What
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: Really Happened During America's 2020 Riots. It's a great wealth
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: of information that you're going to learn a lot from.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: And I could talk to you for two hours. Let
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: me finish up with Kyle Rittenhouse. The fact that you
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: were there, other independent journalists were there. We did see
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: your video. We did see their video. We see that
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: he clearly is defending himself, and that's why he ended
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: up being found not guilty. Had you not been there,
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: had the narrative been controlled by the centrally controlled media,
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: and I believe all the media is in with the
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: deep state, he'd be in prison, wouldn't he?
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, for sure. I mean, I tweeted that on
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: the anniversary the other day. And I actually was a
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: named victim in the trial because I had interviewed Kyle
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: Rittenhouse 13 minutes before the shooting. I was following him
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: through the riot. These guys were yelling at him. They
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: had handguns. They were actually turned out from Chicago. And
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: I wanted to get their side of the story because
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: he thought he was there to help defend the business.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: He had a med kit. And I want to get
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: their side of the story. And actually, one of the
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: dudes stepped out on me with bricks. Another dude had
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: a handgun in his waistband. And to diffuse the situation.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: I said, does anyone want a white claw? And the
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: dude with the handgun said, yeah, I'll get a white claw.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: White claw is going to get a lot of, I
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: handed it to him. You're going to get a sponsorship
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: at white claw. That's right.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: I should have, you know, so you did not, you
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: did not bring an arm. You did not bring a weapon.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: You brought white claw, white claws. Exactly.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: And then I see Kyle running down the street. I
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: run down after him. And, uh, just then Joseph Rosenbaum
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  Speaker 1: emerges from a dark part of the street, chases after him.
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  Speaker 1: And I run after behind them. not realizing how quickly
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  Speaker 1: a man named Zeminski shot a handgun into the air.
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  Speaker 1: Kyle turned around, and it was a matter of seconds.
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  Speaker 1: Rosenbaum continued to pursue. He screamed, F-U. He lunged for
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  Speaker 1: his weapon and fired. And so the first bullet went
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  Speaker 1: past my legs. I told that to police, so they
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  Speaker 1: named me as a victim. But I couldn't drop the
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  Speaker 1: charges because then I'd be a biased witness. So I
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  Speaker 1: just told them what I saw. I saw a man
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  Speaker 1: chase after him, scream F-U, and lunge for the weapon. And,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I mean, that's textbook violence. I didn't write
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  Speaker 1: the laws in Wisconsin that said he could he could
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  Speaker 1: carry a rifle in the street. So I'm sorry, but
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  Speaker 1: that's the truth. And, you know, the fact that this
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  Speaker 1: was so politicized and that they actually charged him with murder,
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  Speaker 1: it just goes to show how much politics influences our
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  Speaker 1: legal system. But ultimately, you know, the trial brought forth
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  Speaker 1: all of this video and the evidence spoke more loudly
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  Speaker 1: than the activist voices that, you know, brought those politicized
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  Speaker 1: charges in the first place.
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  Speaker 2: It's Richie McGinnis. He was there. I mean, name it.
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  Speaker 2: In the past five, six, seven years, he was there.
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  Speaker 2: Go check out his book called Riot Diet. Go to richiemcginnis.com.
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  Speaker 2: Just great to talk to you because I think that
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  Speaker 2: what you say and what you stand for is very,
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  Speaker 2: very important. You're right. As they add flock cameras and
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  Speaker 2: as they surveil us from satellites and as they surveil
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  Speaker 2: us everywhere we go, we can counteract that with our phone.
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  Speaker 2: We point this. We shoot this. It shows exactly what
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  Speaker 2: really happened. And again, Kyle Rittenhouse is probably in prison
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  Speaker 2: right now had it not been for you and others.
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  Speaker 2: And we also wouldn't know about the 26 other people
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  Speaker 2: killed in the so-called Summer of Love. We wouldn't know
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: that Jacob Fry said, yeah, take down the precinct. Independent
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  Speaker 2: journalism is what counterbalances CNN standing in front of a
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  Speaker 2: burning building saying mostly peaceful protests. And I appreciate what
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  Speaker 2: it is that you do. You're putting your life on
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  Speaker 2: the line. I had no idea that he just carried
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  Speaker 2: a white claw with you. You might be able to
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  Speaker 2: get out of almost anything. I think it's a really
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  Speaker 2: smart thing that I learned for you today.
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  Speaker 1: Richie, do me a favor. Come back again.
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  Speaker 2: Sell a bunch of books. I really appreciate you taking
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  Speaker 2: the time. Go check out The Resilience Show as well.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: Is that on YouTube? Where is that?
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's on YouTube. That's Chad Robichaux. He's a recon Marine.
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  Speaker 1: And he's an independent voice as well. So I'm happy
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: to help him run his show as well.
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  Speaker 2: Well, thanks for finding some time today. Let's do it
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  Speaker 2: again soon, my friend. Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Anytime. Thank you.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: All right. That's going to do it for this one.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: Another Unshaken and Unafraid with Joe Paggs will drop very soon.
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