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Daniel Prince | Un-Educating The Fiat Mind | Simply Bitcoin IRL · Simply Bitcoin

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Hello everybody. Welcome to another episode of
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Simply Bitcoin IRL. Today we have a very, very
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special guest. I've been looking forward to
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this episode for a very long time and of course we have one.
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Everyone always gets a little bit embarrassed when I called
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him a legendary bitcoiner, but in my book he's a legendary
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bitcoiner. Of course I'm talking about
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Daniel Prince. He is the host of the Once
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Let me bring up Daniel on stage. Daniel, great to see you.
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We just crossed paths in Meet Space in Portugal in Maida.
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What an absolutely amazing conference, and it was great to
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actually meet you for the first time.
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Yeah, it was amazing mate. Really amazing and incredible
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event. Such a special place, lots of
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emotion, a lot of tears at that one.
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That was amazing. You know, even Jeff got up there
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and delivered his keynote and got very emotional at the end of
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it and the the whole vibe that it was just a huge ball of fun,
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positive Bitcoin energy. It was great to see everybody
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there. Yeah.
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And I I I yeah, no, I completely agree.
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It was, it was it was very special.
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It was it was a very, it was a very special.
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It was a very, very special event.
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We were talking a little bit about it backstage, about it
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being open air, it being in the stadium.
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Sailor's speech was was a little bit different.
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It was, you know, he he he addressed it, you know, he, he
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said it even the very beginning of the conversation.
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I think you actually even introduced him, didn't you?
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I did, yeah. You did introduce him.
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How was that? We got the football chant going.
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That was great. I figured, well, we're in a
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football stadium and I know, I know, I, you know, I got a lot
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of North American friends. And one of the one of the things
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that comes up all the time is like you crazy bastards over in
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Europe, all jumping up and down, linking arms, singing and
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chanting in the stadium. What's that all about?
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So I thought it'd be nice to welcome you know those guys from
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across the pond and get a a little football champ going in
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the in the stands there. And yeah the the the thought
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crossed my mind as he was coming out on stage and I think he
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appreciated it. So it was it was good fun, but
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yeah, it great. And again, a great, a great
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speech. Yeah, 100%.
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And it was, it was a, it was, it was a great conference, very
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special, beautiful islands, little you know, I I highly
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suggest people make the pilgrimage next year.
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I'm pretty sure Andre and Co are gonna be throwing it again,
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'cause it's just how successful this one was.
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But yeah, it was, it was great. It was great to see you.
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Like I said. So Daniel, look, a lot of things
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have happened. I think you and I have both been
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making Bitcoin content for quite a while, and I think what I'm
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seeing is basically Bitcoin maturing.
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It's a teenager, right? You know, it's being legitimate,
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legitimized in the eyes of the traditional financial world.
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You know, it's come a long way and in a way it's changed a
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little bit, you know. And even from a price
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standpoint, currently it's sitting at 70 thousand U.S.
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dollars. That's more than the average,
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you know, salary of an American right right now.
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And I'm pretty sure that's the average that more than the
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average salary of someone in Europe as well.
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So in a way it's it's, it's of course you know it is divisible,
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you know there's 8 decimal places and all that stuff.
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And in a way it's getting out priced, it's now for the big
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guys. So what's your take on that?
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Like where, where, where are we in Bitcoin's history from your
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perspective, especially someone who's been doing this for quite
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a long time? Yeah, I think about it a lot
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about that the the ETFs, is it good for Bitcoin?
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Is it bad for Bitcoin? That's a classic debate.
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The but the crux of the matter is it was going to happen.
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It was going to happen anyway. That the fact it took them 15
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years to create these ETFs and for Wall Street to get involved
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astounds me, absolutely astounds me that it's taking them this
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long. So when I think about that and
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I'm you know, I just wonder what's next now Like you know to
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your point is that game over for the little guys that want to get
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in. I don't think so.
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There are so many great apps now.
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Great. Well, Bitcoin well that you're
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talking about who who sponsor this show.
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Over here we have companies such as Relay who sponsor my show
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that make it very easy for you to download an app and get stack
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and Sats in a self custodial manner as well.
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So maybe maybe this just speeds things up because now it's in
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the news, it's in front of everybody, and people are going
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to start coming to to us. Like not me and you personally,
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but the plebs as a whole that have been talking about Bitcoin
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for the last 2-3, five, eight years, however long it's going
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to be. And they're going to be asking
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you, you know, what's the best way for me to get some Bitcoin?
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Where do I go? What's the best practice?
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So we got our work cut out ahead of us to make sure that the the
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message is strong and we can just keep pushing the education.
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And that's why I say pretty much on every show, it's like if
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you've got something to offer and you do as a Bitcoin pleb,
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get to a meet up, go and meet people at a conference, get in
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front of other bitcoiners and figure out the project that is
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going to set you alight. And that could be your own
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podcast, your own YouTube channel, your own educational
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materials, a book, an article, whatever.
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We need all hands on deck. It feels like there's too much
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Bitcoin content, but there just isn't.
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And you and I have seen that change over the the last five to
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seven years. I remember scrambling around
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trying to find absolutely whatever I could.
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Now I can just get over to Bitcoin, Audible, and guys,
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they're reading me absolutely everything that's ever been
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written about Bitcoin. And he still can't keep up.
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But we do need more. Plenty more.
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Yeah, 100%. And I I I've heard that before
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and I agree with it myself as well.
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And I kind of tied in with the cultural aspect, right, 'cause
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at at the end of the day, really we're we're trying to over,
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we're trying to win over the hearts and minds of people.
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And in a way it's, you know, maybe it sounds a little bit
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hyperbolic, but I believe it. This is kind of information
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warfare in, in a way, right? And what, what better way to
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combat, you know, the other side, but to make more content,
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right. To kind of drown out their
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content, even though, I mean, their content's absolutely
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terrible. Yeah, them posting on Twitter,
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basically saying Bitcoin's gonna die, you know, there's no
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inflation, all these, you know, all these, you know, funny,
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funny stuff. And you're just like, wow, these
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people are so terrible. They're starting to make Tiktok
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videos now, which I find absolutely hilarious.
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But yeah, there can never be too much content.
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But yeah, it's definitely changed tremendously from where
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it was a couple years ago. It it, it was in its infancy in
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2019-2020. There was crypto channels, but
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there wasn't really Bitcoin only.
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Bitcoin only really started to flourish like in the last couple
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years or so. But I think making content for a
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lot of people is daunting. What would you recommend to
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them? Because I think a lot of people
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come into this, they're like, wow, that's a podcast.
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You have to get a microphone, the camera.
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You have to put myself on the Internet.
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If you were to start from zero again, what lessons have you
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learned that if you can go back in time, you would tell your
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previous self? Yeah, I'd do exactly the same
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again. I had a laptop and I had a pair
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of earphones. You know, just just that's it.
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That was my microphone. That's how I started the
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podcast. My barrier to entry was 0.
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And that's what when I came to that realization, I God damn.
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That's when I realized how much I'd been procrastinating, and
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that was kind of a kick in the balls.
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It's like, well, you know, step up, man.
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Like, what are you doing? You've been procrastinating
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about starting a podcast for months.
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I I'd been thinking for months that I need to do something in
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this space. And it sounds a little bit
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cliche, but to give something back, right?
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But that's exactly what I wanted to do.
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That's what I felt, and I wanted to.
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I didn't have a following. I had like 1300 followers on
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Twitter, and that was only because people had started
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following me about my book and about home schooling and world
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schooling and that kind of stuff.
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So to completely switch the message on those people was, you
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know, a total 180. But yeah, anybody can start and
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you know, it doesn't have you. Of course, you don't even have
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to put yourself on the video either.
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You can just do a pure audio podcast under a pseudonym as
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well. And if it sucks, who the fuck's
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ever going to know? It doesn't matter.
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You know it wasn't you. Most podcasts, I think.
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What's the What's the Stat? Most podcasts never get beyond
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ten episodes or something. Really.
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Yeah, something like that. I can't remember where I heard
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or or read that, But you know, there's your metric.
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And if you've got a Zoom account, which most people do,
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21 episodes in the private chat, then yeah, you've got, you've
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got the opportunity just to have conversations with people.
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And when you reach out on on Twitter, just in people's DMS,
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you'd be shocked at the amount of people that just turn around
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and say, yeah, let's go, I'll support your effort and whatever
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you need. And it doesn't have to be a
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podcast. It could be writing an article
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that you know that just get an article out there and publish it
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and or offer that article up to an upcoming conference or
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something and just say listen, this is something I'd like to
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maybe they're putting a program together, a little magazine or
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whatever, or maybe they want you to come and talk about it on
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stage. Then you really get into
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impostor syndrome territory, then now that's something
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different. But that'll just, you know, that
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comes with just putting 1 foot in front of another, putting
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yourself out there and you know, being willing to to step up and
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give back to the community. Yeah, 100% and.
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And I think it you also have to love it, right?
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Because if you don't love it, you know, there's gonna be some
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days where you inevitably come to this kind of conclusion
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mentally where you're like, why am I doing this right?
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And if you love it, then you're going to do it anyways because
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you actually love and you feel passionate about what you do.
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So I think, you know, that's one of the key aspects as well.
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Now I kind of want to loop back a little bit to what we were
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talking. About I'm on that point.
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You know, I I've been doing this for four years and I love it
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because I get to hang out like that.
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I'm working right now sitting here having a chat with you
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about Bitcoin and I get to connect with play UPS from all
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over the world and each podcast can last between an hour and two
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hours. Yes, a lot goes into, you know,
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scheduling and writing, show notes and a little bit of
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editing if you need to, uploading to YouTube and all the
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other. But you learn that as you go and
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that gets streamlined and you can figure that out and playbs
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again will step up and help you. You know, the intro and the
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outro music to me was gifted to me from Bitcoin pleb that just
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wanted to help and you know, it all came together very
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organically. But yeah, you look, you get to
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hang with bitcoiners and there's no better thing to be doing.
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And it does not feel like a minute of work.
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Not one day A. 100%, I 100% agree with you.
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Yeah. It's, 'cause, you know, like you
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said, it's like having a conversation and that is the
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work, right? Which is, you know, it's it's
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it's it's a little, it's a bit surreal, a lot of work that goes
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into it, especially if you want to monetize it, right?
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It's definitely, you know, a long and tumultuous journey, I
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would say. But if you're able to overcome,
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and I think a lot of people are able to come overcome because
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they feel passionate about it, because it doesn't feel like
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work, if they keep, if they keep chipping at it, eventually
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they'll breakthrough. So anyways, I I, I wanted to
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double back to what you were saying in the very, very
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beginning where we were talking about Bitcoin maturing, Bitcoin
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growing up, Bitcoin's a teenager.
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You have this, you know, crazy institutional demand from, you
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know, from these large asset managers and it looks like
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they're just gobbling up hundreds of thousands of Bitcoin
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and they are right in in a matter of months.
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So my question to you, to you, Daniel, you know, are we late to
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Bitcoin? If someone came up to you today
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and they said, Daniel, look this thing has a 70 Ki feel like I've
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missed the boat. You know, I I, I didn't buy a
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10,000 and I didn't buy 1000. I didn't buy 100.
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I I feel late, right? So what would your response to
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that person be? Yeah, we all know that as
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Bitcoin. As you know, every day is a good
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day to buy Bitcoin, right. And that's the, that's the key.
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And for those people that are gonna come up to you and and ask
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you about that and they're gonna be down in the dumps.
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I can't believe it's a 70,000. You know, I should have listened
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to you years ago. We've all been through those
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conversations, getting them comfortable with the fact that,
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no, we're still so early, like if this is going to be money for
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the next thousands of years, we're only 15 years in, right?
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It's a blip on like that, that timeline.
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So we're still so early and anything that anybody can do
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right now to start stacking some sats and to Start learning,
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right. That's the thing, that's the key
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thing. The stacking must go in tandem
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with the education that you you must be stacking and reading or
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listening or watching YouTube videos at the same time.
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Those journeys start together because that's how you build the
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conviction. If you're just stacking and
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checking the price, you know you're going to fall into the
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trap of getting shaken out when that price starts falling.
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And it can be manipulated a lot easier now because of what's
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going to happen with these what we have 11 spot ETFs now in the
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in the US, they're going to start playing games against each
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other. That's just how Wall Street
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works and they're going to start putting out fad and headlines
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that are going to create at a price of Bitcoin to shake you
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out of yours so they can keep scooping them up on the
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exchanges. Now everybody must remember,
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especially if you're new, there's only a finite amount of
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this Bitcoin. So stack them, take self
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custody, make sure you are up to speed on what that even means.
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If you don't know what self custody means, there's lesson
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#1. Just watch some YouTube BTC
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sessions videos and you know or or listen to some of the the
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other educational Bitcoin only podcasts out there.
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There is so much so many guides now, so many how TOS that you
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can be up to speed so quickly and comfortable with the the
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asset that you are investing in rather rather than way back in
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the day. Like as soon as the negative
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headline came out that that price would bottom out and so
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many people would just panic because they didn't have the
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resources on hand to have built that conviction over the
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investment in which they were making.
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So it it is different now. It is a better investment
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landscape, I would say to new people coming in.
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Just stick with it for at least a year of, you know, constant
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stacking and constant reading and educating yourself, and
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you'll be in a, you'll be in a you'll be a completely different
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person in 12 months time, let alone in a better place.
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You know, not just physically, mentally, but fiscally as well.
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Yeah, so hold on, you you buried the lead there, 'cause it's
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really, really important what you just said, right?
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You don't change Bitcoin. Bitcoin changes you.
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And I think as Bitcoiners, you fundamentally understand that
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the longer you stay in Bitcoin, the longer you have Bitcoin in
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cold storage. It completely changes your
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mindset 100%, I think makes you happier, makes you more
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confident, makes you hopeful about the future in a way.
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So I really want to focus on that a little bit, 'cause you
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you mentioned it, but that can't be overstated.
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And that's something that I think a lot of people that just
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see Bitcoin as an investment and not a, for lack of a better
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word, a a, a, a a spiritual, a financial revolution.
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Really, I think they're missing half the picture in its
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entirety. So could you talk a little bit
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about that? Oh man, this is where it all
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gets a little bit woo woo on us, right?
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And I, and I can't believe how it's changed me and the the
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effect and everybody has this effect, everybody.
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If you go to a Bitcoin meet up and if you talk to anyone that's
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been in Bitcoin for longer than a year or so, they would have
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had this change. Yeah.
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Financial revolution. I I I think more of it as a
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human evolution. I think as humans were evolving
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onto, you know, the soundest form of money that has ever been
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discovered and the like, the the knock on effects, the societal
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effects of that, the psychological effects, the the
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philosophical effects of that are so profound that none of us
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have managed to really put it into exact words.
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And anybody that hasn't listened to the Bitcoin Rapid Fire
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Podcast, John Vallas has been down so many philosophical
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rabbit holes with so many different people.
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And it's really so enlightening when you listen to other
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people's journeys and you know you can learn from them and
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learn from their past mistakes. But I one of my earlier episodes
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I did a a podcast with Safe Safety in our Moose who wrote
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the Bitcoin Standard and we were going through that book and he
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wanted to for that interview really focus in on low time
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preference and how Bitcoin changes that.
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You know you you from a high time preference individual to a
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low time preference individual. Which basically means when your
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high time preference in your Fiat role you are, you're doing
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your nine to five job your five days a week and then you're
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doing your second hand, your your second job on the side
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side, hustle, whatever it is, just to keep up, right?
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And you you can't ever seem to get off that hamster wheel
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because you are chasing a money that is infinitely it was
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designed darkly, designed to lose purchasing power over time
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and you can never get your head above water.
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So that affects every single economic decision that you make
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every single second of the day. And then when you turn that on
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its head because you are saving your time now and your energy
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and your your finances into a sound money and that is actually
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designed to go up in purchasing power that turns your head
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upside down and starts changing slowly.
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Your economic decision making maybe that might start monthly,
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then weekly, then daily, then Nico You'd know this every
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second or every day. Your economic decision making
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has been completely U turned. And that is incredible.
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So I would if nobody's read that book or if you have the book on
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your shelf, go back and re read that about the time preference.
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Because for him, he still believes that is one of the most
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critical parts of of Bitcoin and and how that has completely
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changed our behaviour as as a community over time. 100% and
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and it it changes your it. You know I had CK on simply
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Bitcoin IRL many many months ago and he the way that he phrases
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it is essentially that it changes your operating system.
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You know, and I think that if you are in a Fiat standard, you
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have a different perspective on the world, what money is.
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You have low time preference because whether you're aware of
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it or not, the money is incentivizing you to spend
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right, 'cause I think on an innate level, I think people
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inherently know something is broken.
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I think I think they inherently know it.
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I think they're seeking a political solution to it, which
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is I think why politics is so divisive nowadays.
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But they're they're not really, you know, they're not really
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awaken. They're not really aware of
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that. It's it's the money.
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It's the money that's broken, right?
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I was making a joke the other day on Twitter and I was
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basically like, look, guys, we have the game plan.
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We know how to get a Libertarian candidate elected.
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All we need is 100% inflation and we get the first Libertarian
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candidate election elected in Argentina.
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But you know it's interesting to me that people really,
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unfortunately they they it's almost as if they need to feel
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some type of pain. Something needs to break for
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them to ask the very fundamental question of what is money.
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Because if not like it, it if the inflation rate, it's
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something that Jeff Booth has said if the inflation rate is
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one or two or three percent, it's not enough for people to
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realize that they're being stolen from.
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Really. So, yeah, it's, it's, it's it's
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a very, very interesting phenomenon.
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And you know, kind of going back to what you were saying about in
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the beginning about more people making content, This is why it's
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so important because the more people make content, the more
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people awaken to this reality of holy cow, you know, we can have
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a better future. You know, we can hope for a
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better future. It doesn't matter where you are
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on the economic scale. If you earn and save in Bitcoin,
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you know you actually have a future where right now it's
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something absurd. You know they expect you to work
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from 18 years old to 65. At 65 you could potentially
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retire if you reach this, you know, absurd amount of money,
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right. So it it clearly the system's
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broken and I I I think bitcoiners actually have the
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solution. I think the politicians are just
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are just a distraction to put it nicely, I would say.
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And I think you're right. Everybody knows there's
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something wrong. Because we, you know, we we are
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human beings, right? We're problem solving machines.
23:24
We have these incredible operating systems, to use that
23:28
analogy, we, these, these brains of ours are unbelievable.
23:32
We have been coerced into believing that yes, you've got
23:37
to, I mean, look at the way society sets us up, right?
23:40
You're taken away from your family from very young age.
23:43
Now in in some cases, like you know, young mothers are giving
23:47
babies over to au pairs at the age of three months or something
23:50
because their maternity leaves over.
23:52
And they've got to get back to their career because that's the
23:54
only way that they can afford to bring up kids and keep shelter
23:57
over their heads. Otherwise you're giving them up
23:59
at like 3-4 or five years of age to go to the local state school.
24:03
Or if you're going to overpay for the the same kind of
24:06
education, you're going to send them into a private school and
24:09
then that's 12 to 15 years. So we we, we lock our kids up
24:15
for the 1st, 15, maybe 20 years of their lives and then in
24:19
schools, right in small little rooms with 30 strangers.
24:22
And then we lock our 20 to 65 year olds up in cubicles and
24:27
then we lock our 65 year olds up to to death in, you know, old
24:31
people's homes. That is so freaking fucked up
24:36
when you think about how society has been ordered in such a
24:39
manner and how did we get there and why?
24:42
Why? Why do we chase after this
24:44
money, this Fiat currency, Fiat being Latin for by decree, so
24:48
you're ordered to use that money, well, no currency as a
24:55
medium of exchange to express value to each other in economic
25:00
transactions throughout your whole life.
25:03
You're using a currency of a unit of account that is forced
25:07
upon you and is designed to lose purchasing power.
25:12
You innately know that's wrong. All of us, every single person,
25:16
something, your subconscious, something deep inside of you,
25:20
something in your soul is screaming at you.
25:23
This is not right. So when something like Bitcoin
25:26
comes along and we see it for what it is, you cannot Unsee it
25:31
and you cannot help but feel that hope for the future.
25:35
And you cannot help but want to spread the word to free these
25:39
other people around you. Because it's when when we're
25:42
trying to educate people about Bitcoin, it's not to pump our
25:45
bags. It's not because, oh, if you buy
25:47
some, that's going to increase the purchasing power of mine.
25:50
Against what? Against the US dollar or euro or
25:53
pound that none of us ever care about or want to use ever again?
25:57
No. For us the the pure metric here
26:01
is the the number of people that join the network goes up every
26:05
single day, every day. That is NGU technology right
26:09
there. Number go up of of people
26:11
joining the network and that is the only thing that we should be
26:15
focused on. And when people start joining
26:18
that, that changes their way of thinking, That changes society,
26:21
and that starts giving people hope.
26:23
And we can start connecting again as a species, as we should
26:26
be, and just moving away from that other system that is so
26:32
crippling. And, you know, like it's just so
26:35
heavy you can't do anything under it.
26:38
It's so dark. And yeah, I I I think I went off
26:43
on a tangent, but if you got anything else there that you
26:45
want to bring me back to what we were talking about, then yeah,
26:48
fire it at me. No, I mean, it's such a, it's
26:50
such a rabbit hole in terms of, you know what, how Bitcoin
26:55
changes your outlook on the human condition that like, I
26:58
feel like we can talk for another five hours on that
27:01
specific subject matter. But there was, there was
27:04
something that you brought up, which I know is something that
27:06
you feel very passionate about. And it's the idea of schooling,
27:11
right? So the current schooling system
27:14
is set up right here, I think all over the world in the States
27:17
too, right? You kind of outsource the
27:21
education of your kids at a very vulnerable age, right?
27:26
And then people get confused when they get back home and they
27:29
hate you all of a sudden. And you know, it's not really
27:33
that confusing. It's, you know, like you're
27:35
sending them into an environment where they might be teaching
27:40
them doing this. I'm putting this very nicely,
27:43
and I'm aware that we're on YouTube, but, you know, they're
27:47
putting you in an environment where they might be teaching
27:51
your kids something that you might not agree with on a
27:56
fissile. Oh my God.
28:00
I can't see the word philosophical level.
28:02
I appreciate it, Daniel. Thank you.
28:04
English is my second language. And yeah, it's, it's, it's,
28:10
it's, it's in a in a way, it's it's kind of absurd, you know,
28:15
But we've been conditioned for this to be the norm, just like
28:17
we've been conditioned for it to be the norm to use, you know,
28:22
paper money with old men on the faces of it.
28:25
And then there's a pyramid with an eye on the top of it and just
28:28
think like this is normal. Money has to lose purchasing
28:31
power. We've been kind of conditioned
28:33
for this system. I think it's a product of the
28:36
industrial age and, you know, in the early 20th century and, you
28:41
know, it's still here, right. But I, I think the Internet, in
28:44
a way, has made this, this way of education a little bit
28:49
obsolete, you could say. And I think it's starting to
28:51
show its cracks, not so much in in the system itself, but what
28:56
what the outcome of that system is.
28:58
It's almost as if that system is not necessarily a system of
29:02
education. And this is going to be very, I
29:06
mean, intense, but I'm going to say it anyways.
29:08
It's almost as if that system is a system of indoctrination,
29:12
right. So I want to get your take on
29:13
that, Daniel. Indoctrination across the
29:17
nation, mate. That's exactly what it is.
29:20
So I wrote a a chapter in a book that's coming out pretty soon.
29:26
It's called Parallel. I had a copy around here
29:30
somewhere. Brian de Mint is his second
29:32
book, but he invited myself and Knut's Von Holt to add a chapter
29:37
to it, which I I gladly did. And he, he wanted me to talk
29:41
about like the Bitcoin social layer and and education.
29:44
So yeah, I just, I want people to to understand the true nature
29:49
of the education system, especially in America, because
29:53
it's from there that it gets really pushed abroad, you know,
29:56
through all kinds of different propaganda methods, like movies
30:01
being one of them. When when we were growing up
30:04
watching movies coming out of Hollywood and we'd see the
30:07
schools over there and you'd be like, wow, this is amazing.
30:10
Only our school was like you know that and it it has shaped a
30:14
lot of the global education system around the world and
30:19
they've picked up from you know Europe.
30:22
The, the main countries at that point were France, England and
30:27
Germany that were really shaping the world with their their
30:33
resources, especially with coal. So they had energy in abundance
30:38
and they had the industrial revolution was really picking up
30:42
steam. So yes, they did need to fashion
30:45
people in a certain manner to work in the factories or be, you
30:50
know, in the military. That was what that was, the
30:53
might of these countries. That was how empires were being
30:56
built. And it was in the mid 1800s that
31:00
a guy called Horace Mann out of the US.
31:04
He came across to Germany, to Prussia specifically, which was
31:08
a separate state in northern Germany to study their education
31:12
system. And this is where I started
31:16
grabbing quotes from. So what?
31:19
What happened? Why was Prussia running such an
31:23
education system in the 1st place?
31:25
And it was after the Battle of Jena, which was 4th of October,
31:30
4th of October 1806, when Napoleon's army defeated the
31:34
Prussian army in the Battle of Jena.
31:36
This victory solidified Napoleon as a military genius, led to the
31:40
occupation of Berlin, the fall of the Prussian military, and
31:43
fan the flames of Napoleon's vision of a unified, controlled
31:45
Europe under French rule. So there was a guy there in Jena
31:50
at the time by the name of Gottlieb Fichter.
31:52
Fichter. I I'm sorry all German listeners
31:56
if I'm brutally mispronouncing that.
32:00
And he saw this, he he saw the whole Prussian army just
32:04
basically rolled over and like this great huge state that was
32:09
just gone in front of his eyes. And he became very critical of
32:14
the state of Prussia. And in 1807 he started
32:18
delivering lectures addressed titled excuse me addresses to
32:23
the German nation. And he started releasing these
32:26
at University of Berlin, outlining his belief that the
32:29
education system needed further reformation.
32:31
And it was all pretty hard at the time, but some of the
32:34
quotes, and this is what I was building up to.
32:36
I want to get you up to speed where his mind was at when this
32:39
was being formed in the early 1800s.
32:42
The schools must fashion the person and fashion him in such a
32:46
way that he simply cannot will otherwise than what you wish him
32:51
to will. That's one quote.
32:54
It is essential that from the very beginning, the pupil should
32:57
be continuously and completely under the influence of this
33:01
education and should be separated altogether from the
33:04
community and kept from all contact with it.
33:08
I mean, like this is the the, this is what these people were
33:11
thinking of, what to do with children, to rebuild a nation.
33:16
And so that's what Horace Mann went over to study.
33:20
Now, if you read John Taylor Gatto's book, The Underground
33:22
History of the American Education System, he blows the
33:26
lid off all of this kind of stuff.
33:28
And he actually had a letter from man's wife.
33:32
I can't remember who she wrote it to.
33:35
Sent back saying that the trip has basically been a disaster.
33:39
We've toured empty classroom after empty classroom because
33:43
the brainiacs went to visit the schooling system during like the
33:46
Easter or summer holidays. I can't remember.
33:48
So they hadn't met any teachers, let alone a student.
33:52
But he came back and wrote up this whole document on why we as
33:57
America need to switch our focus to forming an education system
34:03
based on the Prussian model. And he kept pushing and pushing
34:06
and pushing and in the end, he did manage to get that through.
34:09
And that is what started happening towards the late the
34:12
1890s. But then we come into the early
34:15
1900s and I'm sure many of the listeners are aware of, you
34:20
know, the secret meetings that take place where policies get
34:23
decided. One such meeting did take place
34:26
in 1910 on the island of on Jekyll Island, where the Federal
34:31
Reserve Act was conjured up and stored up by these amazing think
34:36
tanks. And then the dog and pony show
34:38
was taken back to America and Congress, and they finally got
34:42
the Federal Reserve Act through in 1913.
34:45
Now these that was a playbook that already already been played
34:51
to capture the education system. The General Education Board was
34:55
formed in 1902 and the way they did that was a secret meeting in
35:00
an undisclosed location hosted by John D Rockefeller Junior to
35:07
decide on how we should move forward and educate people to to
35:15
what they needed to to how we could shape society for the
35:19
betterment of society. The the General Education Board
35:22
was formed late 1902, early 1903 with $1,000,000 by John D
35:28
Rockefeller senior who attended the second meeting and then they
35:32
hired a guy called Frederick T Gates I think to oversee the
35:38
whole thing. And of course this is where the
35:39
idea of philanthropy comes in. When you are cutting a check to
35:45
education like universities or whatever, that that would be tax
35:50
free. You know, this is how that kind
35:52
of whole thing started off. But there's a there's a the the
35:59
philosophy. Let me find this because they
36:03
wrote out the here we go, this is the under you write OK,
36:13
right. This is the the philosophy the
36:16
the philosophy of the general education board.
36:19
And it was a paper delivered. It's on their website.
36:22
It's it's crazy, right? You see, if you go to Wikipedia,
36:26
you can just go Wikipedia. General Education board.
36:28
Scroll down to history or philosophy.
36:31
Anyway, here we go with the first couple of sentences.
36:34
In our dream we have limitless resources and the people yield
36:38
themselves with perfect docility to our moulding hand.
36:43
The present educational conventions fade from their
36:45
minds and unhampered by tradition, we work our own
36:49
goodwill upon a grateful and responsive rural folk.
36:55
That is the root of the current education system that is
37:00
pervasive around the world. And that is why I believe that
37:05
if we truly want to starve the beast and move away from this
37:11
oppression, we have to stop feeding them our kids, hearts,
37:15
minds and souls from the age of 3-4 or five.
37:18
Because once they go in, you know who was it that said, show
37:21
me, give me a boy until the age of seven and I'll show you the
37:24
man. This is what's going on.
37:27
And yes, we have the money now, we have freedom, money, but we
37:31
we're never going to break free if our kids keep getting sent
37:37
into these places, These indoctrination gulags is the
37:41
only way you could actually describe them because this is
37:44
what's going on. And, you know, my heart goes out
37:48
as well to the teachers that are trapped in this system, this,
37:51
you know, I'm not rallying against the teachers.
37:53
I, I, I ask all of the teachers to go and read John Taylor
37:56
Gatto's work. He was a state school teacher
37:58
for 30 years. He's got three amazing books.
38:01
And you will realise, and it's very dark realisation that once
38:04
you realise what you're actually a part of, you can escape, you
38:08
can get out of it. There is still time and you
38:11
know, really give back to society because people that are
38:14
born to teach you know you, you've you've been, you've been
38:19
robbed of that, that that life's, you know, goal of yours.
38:24
Because the only place that you can do that, that you're tricked
38:28
into believing you can do that are in these institutions that
38:31
are not there to purely educate people.
38:34
They're there to indoctrinate people and and churn out, you
38:37
know, it's called standardized testing for a reason.
38:41
You know, they're not even hiding it.
38:42
And anyway, that's a long run. And hopefully at all, it's.
38:48
Not a long run at all. That was incredibly insightful.
38:51
And it you know it you go through the history of it and
38:54
and it's interesting because that era you can make the argue
38:58
that the Napoleonic era was basically the beginning of the
39:02
modern nation state and it's interesting how.
39:06
And I didn't know that by the way how you know this was a
39:09
reaction to what was happening in Europe at the time and it
39:14
almost feels like you know and this is where I I kind of want
39:17
to focus on the second part where that model this the nation
39:22
state model right. If you read the book to
39:24
sovereign individual, which I've read so many times, highly
39:26
recommend every bitcoiner to read it, we're we're coming out
39:31
of that era due to the Internet. I think the Internet has
39:34
empowered the everyday individual not only to do their
39:38
own research, right, but also to make content like we're doing
39:42
right now, right? Without having to go through an
39:45
intermediary, without having to go through a gatekeeper, right?
39:47
And I think a lot of the governments are freaking out
39:50
because of this. They're coming up with terms
39:51
like misinformation and stuff like that.
39:54
If it's not an approved narrative and all that.
39:56
So we are heading into this new era.
39:58
And because it's a new era, because the Internet is so
40:01
powerful, because you can literally find anything that you
40:04
want, especially if you do research the the proper way, in
40:08
a way do do is, is the legacy schooling necessary or could you
40:14
homeschool? Is is homeschooling an option in
40:17
this day and age? I think it's essential.
40:20
Like I said, I think the only way that we move forward is to
40:24
to take more control over our families.
40:27
And one thing that a lot of homeschooling parents face is
40:32
push back from people you know that you're cast aside.
40:36
You, you, you know you're you're labeled irresponsible parents,
40:39
which is a complete misnomer because now you have nothing but
40:43
pure responsibility for the education of your child.
40:46
You know, like you're not outsourcing that to the state
40:49
anymore and you can't hide behind the excuses of oh, they
40:52
must just have a bad teacher this year and you know it's and
40:56
we've all made those mistakes and we've all made those excuses
41:00
as well. And it's just it's it's high
41:04
time that well again if you look at a timeline of human like
41:09
history like the the way that we have been educating like this,
41:15
this experiment of mass compulsory education is a dot is
41:21
a like is a complete dot on like the last hundred years or so.
41:28
And it's failed like it's it's not fit for purpose certainly
41:33
not today. And yes, As for the Internet,
41:37
I'm sure you feel it as well. I think we're, we're moving into
41:41
very critical moment of you know what what are they going to do?
41:47
The people that are losing the control over the narrative, I
41:52
mean they still have it. Obviously they own all of the
41:55
news outlets and newspapers and you know it's called social
41:59
media. But we all know you can be D
42:02
platformed very, very quickly. And the next worry for us as a
42:07
community is when are they going to bring in this idea of digital
42:12
identity to even open a web page.
42:15
You know, this is absolutely critical that we do not let this
42:19
happen. And we I, I think that's going
42:21
to be a battle that's going to be fought over the next handful
42:24
of years. Because like you said, we can
42:28
connect now all over the world at the touch of a button in
42:33
really high definition. As if you're sitting in the same
42:36
room with people and have open discussions and talk about the
42:40
most incredible things and ideas and philosophies and you know,
42:45
whatever. That's not good for those that
42:49
want to just keep, you know, tight control over their nation
42:53
and their people and just have good little tax slave worker
42:57
bees. You know, the lockdowns.
43:00
Look what happened during the lockdowns.
43:03
The one of the great effects of that was that these mediums got
43:09
better and we could all. We all got much more used to you
43:13
know, doing these zoom calls. You know, nobody even says Skype
43:17
anymore. But people were doing that.
43:19
There were a few apps. There was that house party app.
43:21
Do you remember that? Like that came on when but it
43:24
just showed you the the the creativity of people and the
43:28
need for people to be able to connect.
43:30
And if they couldn't do it in the bars and restaurants and the
43:33
cafes and the pubs, then they were sure as hell going to do it
43:36
online, over the Internet. Because you cannot stop us
43:40
socialising. We are social creatures and we
43:42
love to share ideas and you cannot kill an idea.
43:46
So I don't know. I I it's so powerful.
43:51
I would love to see us use it more in that manner, rather than
43:58
getting trapped into the little, you know, funnels that they want
44:01
us to fall into, like scrolling your Facebook timeline or your
44:05
TikTok or your Instagram or whatever.
44:07
That's just a waste of time. Except for Bitcoin Twitter, of
44:11
course. Nico.
44:11
Right. I mean Bitcoin Twitter is is
44:15
such a great people don't realize it but it it's
44:19
essentially a news aggregator and it's incredibly powerful
44:24
because it does a lot of the research for you if you're
44:28
following the right people and if you tailor your feed in such
44:32
a way it is an incredibly powerful tool to to especially
44:37
to get news and but again you need a little bit of of of your
44:42
you need to do a little bit of thinking yourself right.
44:45
It's it's not just a matter of reading a headline.
44:47
It's kind of like you have to dig through the comments see and
44:50
then you kind of get a consensus.
44:52
You kind of get an idea, a general picture of what is
44:55
actually going on. There's so many bright minds,
44:58
especially on on on the side of Bitcoin.
45:01
So I, I, I kind of want to go back to and we are getting to
45:04
the top of the hour and I want to be respectful of your time.
45:07
I I want to focus on the idea of home schooling.
45:10
So I I'm a new father, right? So when I was in Portugal,
45:14
literally my baby girl was like two or three months old, my
45:18
first one. So, you know, and I've been
45:21
having this conversation with my wife about homeschooling, right?
45:24
And she's more into it too. Especially we're seeing what
45:27
everything's going on with, you know, the the quote, UN quote
45:30
state schools. What are some practical steps,
45:33
you know, that people can take to start like you were
45:36
mentioning some books earlier, You know what?
45:39
What would you recommend for new parents like myself that are
45:43
looking into the homeschooling option?
45:45
Yeah, I I would for the new parents.
45:48
I I would love for you guys to pick up John Holt's books.
45:51
That's Holt. He was very much considered like
45:55
the the founding father of this kind of movement in the US back
46:01
in the 50s and 60s when when he was a school teacher.
46:04
And this is the interesting thing, like the it's the school
46:07
teachers that are in the system that then step out of this
46:10
system and then start pushing home Ed or alternative Ed,
46:14
whatever you're like, you know, they're the really interesting
46:17
cases. Like, what did you see inside
46:20
there that made you suddenly make AU turn and be so
46:23
passionate that you're going to write a book and dedicate the
46:26
rest of your life to travelling around, as Taylor Gatto did?
46:31
He dedicated the rest of his life.
46:32
He's never said no to a speaking engagement.
46:35
He flew all over the world to beat the drama and push this
46:38
message as much as possible. And he wrote three books.
46:40
But John Holt, for you, Young parents with young families,
46:45
he's got a book called How Children Learn.
46:48
And it's a really beautiful book about, you know, like how young
46:52
kids learn and how they're always learning and then, you
46:55
know, define learning, right. I mean, you you you can't
46:58
because they're learning every single second of every single
47:02
day in many different ways. And it's not just the idea of,
47:06
well, they've got to be sat down at a desk by the age of five
47:08
doing locally low grade clerical work.
47:11
You know, for five days a week, 7 hours a day, that that's
47:13
lunacy, that's complete lunacy. Locking kids up in a classroom
47:19
with 29 other strangers is it? I mean, when you really dig down
47:24
into it, it's nigh on child abuse and especially the way
47:28
that the system is now using these opportunities to to push
47:33
through pharmaceutical products to alter people's behaviour as
47:36
well, that mean that's just so damn wrong.
47:40
But yeah, I would say get hold of John Holt's work.
47:44
You'll even find some really old YouTube videos of of John Holt.
47:48
I think it was on the Phil Donahue show back in the 70s or
47:52
80s. And if you, if you watch that
47:56
3045 minutes, whatever it is back and forth, John's sitting
48:00
there with a home schooled family and facing down questions
48:04
from not just the host but from triggered audience members.
48:09
And we're still arguing that over the same points today, it's
48:14
the same points. It's like, you know, Bitcoin
48:18
boils the oceans, you know, like the homeschool world, your kids
48:22
are never going to be able to socialise the the, the, the
48:26
analogous FUD. So if you've got kids a little
48:31
bit older, anywhere between 5:00 and 10:00, I would recommend you
48:36
read the work of Naomi Fisher Fisher.
48:43
She's got two books. The first one is changing our
48:46
Minds and she came from within the system herself.
48:50
She worked within the NHS in the UK and was tasked with
48:56
diagnosing kids with ADHD and that was her job as a clinical
49:03
child psychologist. But she had a two year long
49:05
waiting list and then she suddenly woke up one day, like
49:08
what? The like this can't be right.
49:10
What if it's the system that's wrong and not the kids?
49:13
And that was the light bulb moment for her and she had to
49:16
get out. She U turned and she now spends
49:19
every second of every day, you know, vehemently pushing back
49:23
against the the national curriculum, the state agendas.
49:27
I like to call them not curriculum and you know what's
49:31
going on inside of our state institutions.
49:34
And then if you're if you got teenage kids, there's a teenage
49:38
liberation handbook which is very well known.
49:42
That name, it's. It's a good name.
49:44
Yep. And that that's one for the kids
49:47
themselves to read. Because sometimes you know that,
49:52
yeah, that there's there's so much, there's so much dark stuff
49:56
that if you as a parent have any inkling at all that you're 10 to
50:04
16 year old kid is suffering in any way, shape or form at
50:08
school, please get on top of it. Please, please pick up a book.
50:11
Naomi Fisher. Like I said, Hold On to Your
50:16
Kids by Gabo Marte is an absolute belter of a book.
50:21
And I've got a podcast episode I did with Seb Bunny about this.
50:25
And in Seb's book, The Hidden Cost of Money, he's got a few
50:28
chapters dedicated to education and the breakdown of the family,
50:33
which is all linked of course, to the the money and how that's
50:37
been affected, been affecting families.
50:39
But the state is in your the state is in your kids bedroom
50:44
every single night when they're doing homework.
50:46
And that is also by design. And then John Taylor Gatto's
50:50
book, if you want to get up to speed and understand all of the
50:54
history that we were talking about earlier and the way that
50:57
this come to be and the characters that set this up and
51:00
the reasons why. Yeah, the underground history of
51:03
the American education system. If you can find a copy, that
51:06
should be a red flag for you to find one right, right away.
51:10
That's huge though. That's a big book.
51:14
His other one is Weapons of mass instruction or dumbing us down
51:20
and they are very approachable and can be found on Audible, I
51:23
believe. So you can listen to that whilst
51:25
you're driving around and yeah, they're the practical measures.
51:28
But as far as, like, you know, where do I get a curriculum and
51:32
how do I do it? Do I have to?
51:34
It's like, no, forget all of that.
51:35
Like that is just falling into that's your own processing,
51:40
programming, talking. And for the die hard Austrians
51:44
out there, you might not have realized that Murray Rothbard
51:48
wrote a book about the education system.
51:50
It's called Education Free and Compulsory.
51:54
And he does what Rothbard does, He just absolutely destroys it.
51:58
And then there's another book called Deschooling Society by
52:02
Ivan Ilitch, which is an absolute must read because you
52:06
as a parent, you can't just dive into this thing head first.
52:10
You're going to have to do your own research.
52:12
Obviously, This is why you're listening to this and the book
52:14
suggestions, but you have to deprogram yourself.
52:18
Watch yourself closely. Watch when you get triggered,
52:22
when you're reading some of these books, or if you've been
52:24
triggered throughout this podcast for whatever reason.
52:27
You know, when Nico and I have challenged the education system,
52:30
you're being triggered because something deep inside of you is
52:34
doing that, and that's the programming that you are running
52:37
and it's essential to stop running and like you said again,
52:41
operating system, right? If you can just click download
52:44
Force Quit, and get rid of that programming, you'll be able to
52:48
move forward with a much clearer mind, and it's going to be way
52:52
better for you personally, Mentally.
52:55
Relationships with your family will grow in ways that you could
52:58
never have imagined, because as long as they're trapped up in
53:01
that system that you know they are, they're being bought up by
53:06
the state. They're not being bought up by
53:08
you or your family values or your, you know, wider circle of
53:12
family. And we really need to get back
53:14
to that and this idea of Bitcoin Citadel's and homesteading and
53:18
all of that. Nico, I love, you know, we want
53:20
to get reconnected with nature. We want to get reconnected with
53:22
our food sources. Now we want to drink, you know,
53:25
the cleanest water we can find, people who reverse osmosis and
53:29
distilling water and all of that.
53:30
But we definitely need to get back to rebuilding the family
53:33
unit and have a bunch of kids, you know, absolutely loads of
53:38
them. We were lucky we got twins.
53:40
So we went we, I I joked with my wife, I I got to have.
53:44
I've had sex three times and I've got 4 kids.
53:47
So. Oh, man, that's that's
53:51
hilarious. Daniel Prince, thank you so
53:56
much. Dropping the fire Like always,
53:58
guys. Check out the once Bidden
54:01
podcast. Daniel, thank you so much for
54:03
coming on simply Bitcoin. IRL.
54:06
Really, really pleasure. And it's an honor to have you on
54:09
the show. And guys go check out all those
54:12
books, homeschooling for the win.
54:15
We got to make more Bitcoin babies.
54:17
This is how we win. Make more Bitcoin content, Make
54:20
more Bitcoin podcast. Daniel, like I said, it's been
54:23
an honor. Thank you so much for joining
54:24
us. Thanks for having us on man.
54:27
Appreciate it. All right, guys, we'll be back
54:29
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54:33
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