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Billy Tray TheConverseKid · ABJ

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  Well, that was music by the Converse Kid right there on the
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  intro to the ABJ podcast. Welcome everybody back to
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  another live podcast episode today.
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  I'll be sitting down with Billy, Trey, the Converse Kid, the
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  voice, the music a lot to everything that I do with my
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  content when it's streaming, podcasting it out, whatever it
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  may be. Billy is usually the the voice
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  or the music or the creativity behind it.
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  So let's chat with him. This is my second interview with
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  Billy here on the ABJ podcast. So let's let's dive in.
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  What's going on everybody? ABJ here back to the ABJ
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  podcast. We are live currently Facebook
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  on on 2 pages, my personal and my business, YouTube on a BJ on
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  the a BJ podcast, high tension wrestling and we're over on
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  Twitch as well. I think I'm doing some Co stream
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  with Billy. I don't know what that is.
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  I don't even know it's working. We'll we'll figure out when I
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  bring Billy in. Just get some housekeeping out
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  Let's bring in the converse, kid.
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  What's going on, bud? Not much.
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  What about you? Well, actually, a lot.
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  That's a lie. Not much.
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  That's a lot. Well, that's it.
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  That's all there was life. We'll you guys roll the credits.
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  Yeah. No, I'm, I'm exhausted.
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  I'm sore. I I'm, I'm having a day where
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  I'm like trying to mentally recharge my battery because
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  wrestling shows take it out of me.
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  I'm, I'm I last night when you you came to a show that I got
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  to, you didn't really have to see me perform because I'm
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  backstage. But you get to come and hang out
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  and and watch the show that I don't get to see but then have
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  to talk about backstage, which is a lot of fun.
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  But yeah, did you enjoy yourself?
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  Yeah, dude, it was a lot of fun. A lot of the matches were really
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  good. It's a it's weird, right?
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  I feel like, I know this is such a random thing, but I feel like
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  for women's matches they have to put on like triple the effort,
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  you know, to get the crowd involved.
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  And I think that's one thing, but also like I've never been
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  there before. So it was like new experience to
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  me. But I was like, there were
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  definitely times where I'm like doing like chance and like then
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  I stop and I'm like, Oh, no one over here is is they don't.
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  Care about women's wrestling? Yeah, I'm like wow, this kind of
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  bums me out. But they still put on like
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  excellent matches and then at the end everyone's cheering and
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  stuff and I'm like, I don't get this.
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  Like I feel like I'm in a different world.
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  I think, I think it's kind of just like a wrestling thing
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  because how women's wrestling wasn't taken seriously and it
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  wasn't really good back in the day that they would almost
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  people would use that match to like take a mental rest and then
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  get ready for the next one to cheer.
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  And I, I don't think that stigma has broken yet.
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  And. I that shouldn't be a thing for
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  sure because like me and my step dad and my brother went to the
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  summer slam and all the women took the craziest bumps and we
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  agreed on everything. Not even in the women's match,
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  the tag match where the I don't know who it was but she climbs
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  up to the top rung and then they push the ladder off and she
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  literally lands ribs first into the freaking ladder.
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  I was like what the hell? Yeah, they're nuts.
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  Yeah, but that was cool to do that.
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  I I haven't, I haven't seen you performance a little bit.
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  I think the last time I seen you was at Pilguru.
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  You, you were performing there and I was heckling you and
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  yelling and making you sing songs.
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  You're heckling me. What do you mean?
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  I, I, I yell. I don't, I don't know.
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  People say it's heckling. I wasn't picking on you.
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  I was just genuinely play that song.
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  Yeah, you're not yelling Free Bird.
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  Free bird is heckling. Yeah.
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  I think my free bird for you is every band or local musician in
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  the area. There's that one song for me.
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  It's their free bird. Like you have to.
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  If you don't, if I don't hear that song, I would be pissed.
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  Like Tim Tristan trains his medication.
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  If I don't have medication, I'm I'm, I'm, I'm leaving.
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  I've never come back. I'm giving him his T-shirt pack.
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  Obligatory train song if he doesn't play that.
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  If he doesn't play that or Dollar bill bill.
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  Like those are my jams. But now, like lately, Blue Skies
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  and Black Ties has been. That's a good one.
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  That's the jam, because there's. A song that he did that me and
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  Lily almost bawled our eyes out for and I don't remember the the
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  name of the song, but it was really fucking good.
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  Like it was a really like, Tim's a really good songwriter.
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  The County Fair not counter fair.
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  County Fair. I don't remember, but it's,
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  it's, it's about a, it's about a breakup song.
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  It's like a really sad breakup song.
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  I don't remember the name of it though.
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  I definitely I. Feel like me and I feel like me
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  and him have swapped as far as that goes.
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  Like, I started out making really sad songs and, like, his
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  were kind of like, there and then they got happier.
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  But now I'm like, kind of making, you know what I mean?
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  Like happier, catchy jams. And now he's back to, like, the
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  beginning. Yeah.
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  And he's like did single single Tim is I love this face.
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  It's I mean it's probably not great for his mental health, but
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  just like watching him be the old man yelling at the cloud
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  sometimes I love. Him figuring himself out and and
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  it's cool. It's I mean, it's not cool.
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  Obviously everyone gets bummed out when you go through like a.
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  Kids are riding their bikes down the street at Pilgaro and he's
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  like Joseph fucking Sidewalk and I go.
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  That would not have been you two years ago.
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  You would have not cared. Those kids were running I.
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  Think that just comes with getting older.
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  I'm not going to lie, I don't think that has to do with the
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  relationship. I just think the older you get,
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  the more everyone like these, you know, and in our area, like,
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  you know, parents aren't paying attention to their kids.
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  It's up to the community to pay. Attention to that.
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  But yeah, but like realistically there's like 4 kids that go
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  outside and they're the ones that the parents are like, do
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  they care about them? Are they just like, actually
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  kids should go back outside and play?
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  Like I think a lot of parents don't let their kids leave the
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  house anymore. They're like, you can't leave.
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  Like they're, you know how great?
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  It's like post apocalyptic, you're going to get eaten by
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  monsters. You're going.
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  To get eaten by monsters. If you're going to the park, I'm
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  going to stand there and watch it.
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  I'm going to watch it and play at the park until you're fucking
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  16 years old. I don't think ever.
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  I have to be with you everywhere you go until you get a job.
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  Like I'm going to escort you to your first day of your job.
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  I'm going to walk around and follow you like parents are
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  wild. Yeah, that's true.
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  That's fair. My.
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  Parents are like yo you're fucking 5 go outside you're 5 go
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  get hit by a car. Like I just, I can't handle you
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  in the house all day. Look, you can put round pegs in
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  round holes. You're good to walk around
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  outside. Emily says she still has to
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  watch Billy play in the park. He gets stuck in those swirly
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  things. He he tries to.
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  He's like Danny DeVito and and fucking Always Sunny.
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  It's stuck in the coil dude. It's sucking the coil.
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  There's going to be children here, Dee.
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  How did you get here? That's not what's.
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  Important. Oh man, I think the new season
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  of that comes out. But all right, well, let's let's
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  let's get into this. Tell people if they have not
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  seen the previous podcast or listen, who are you and who I
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  always think of like Kindergarten cop when I ask this
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  question, like, who's your daddy and what does he do?
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  But who are you and tell you about?
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  Tell us about yourself. My name is Billy.
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  I go by the converse kid. I make melodic punk, emo music.
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  I call it Diet Bayside because that's like my number one
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  inspiration. And every time I play anywhere,
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  it's like people come up to me and they're like, you remind me
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  of like Anthony Green and Sayleson or you remind me of
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  Anthony from Bayside. I'm like, well, I just reminded
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  you of Anthony's. That's cool.
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  But like, no, that's, that's definitely what I strive for.
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  So it's it's really fun. It's gotten to the point where
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  Junk Punk, this one dude that I've regularly played with
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  recently, he just calls me Bayside.
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  So now that's that's the thing. But yeah, no, that's that's what
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  I do. I make music.
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  You're you're a wee side and you walk up and I was like, yo, he
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  looks like the guy from Weezer and then that.
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  Too. And then you play Bayside all
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  day and they're like, oh, didn't see that coming.
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  When I don't have my like crazy ass colored hair and I I shave
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  or sometimes no the mustache is fine.
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  Yeah, but he has that he, he rocked that like long hair and a
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  full beard for a little bit there.
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  Yeah, the mullet. Yeah, the mullet, he.
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  Looked like a badass. He looked like he shouldn't have
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  been a badass, but he was like. He's like when they cast the in
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  a movie and it's not that good. Like the actors aren't that
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  amazing. And it's just like he's he's,
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  he's like cast to be the badass role.
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  And you're like, who is this guy like?
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  He's like, he's like when the heavyweight champion has an
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  anorexic art. I don't know if I could say
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  that, but. Probably not.
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  Probably. Something like that.
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  It's been real. We're cancelled.
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  It's been eight years. Can't make jokes anymore?
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  Well. Yeah, it's over.
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  Comedy's dead. Ask Elon.
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  All right, So what it what's what's been new with you since
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  the last time we talked when it comes to music?
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  I know you've been putting out some new stuff.
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  I don't even remember the last time we we we did talk.
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  It's that's been it's been that long ago.
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  I should probably look. Yeah, I think it was like 3 or 4
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  years ago. No way.
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  Yeah, this is the last time we did a podcast together.
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  OK. At least two or three, two or
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  three years. Really.
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  It's 2025. I don't think we did one last
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  year. Does that make me?
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  We don't think we did 1-2 years ago, no.
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  I remember you told me specifically at one point you're
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  like, I'm just going to focus the wrestling stuff.
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  So I never hit you up, but you were like just hit me up if you
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  ever want to do an episode. And I was like, oh, you're doing
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  good so. It's your.
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  It's your fault. Yeah, it's my.
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  It's definitely my fault. I'll take that, I'll take that.
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  That's a lot easier on my soul trying to find here.
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  I didn't think it was this early.
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  Maybe it. Was really early dude it.
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  Used to be the most. Popular episodes.
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  Used to be. Used to be.
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  Then female wrestlers came along and you got your ass kicked.
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  It was two years ago the last time you were.
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  There I started wearing crazy stuff just to get like anything
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  over this shirt says it's goon o'clock.
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  Hopefully that gets us views. And it has cats on it.
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  Thanks Sam. This.
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  My girlfriend got me this. Is goon means jerking off now,
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  right? That's like, that's the new kid
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  term of beat your meat gooning. Is that what that means?
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  No comment. It's whatever you want it to
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  mean. Oh, I don't know what it I don't
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  know what it means. I don't know it means either.
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  I don't know the new the new hip lingo.
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  I yeah, I. Don't know either.
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  I don't know what that even is. I'm used to like, you call
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  someone a goon, it's like, oh, OK, he's, he's a, he's a, he's a
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  dumb meathead who likes to fight.
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  You know what I mean? I don't.
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  But now it means maybe something completely different.
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  Who knows? But Speaking of wearing weird
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  outfits, can we talk about some of your Twitch?
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  Streams real quick, sure. Not a twitch stream but Billy.
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  So I, I have been known to do inappropriate Omegle streams in
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  my discord. And then Billy started doing it
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  in his discord where he'll go on, he'll go on these Omegles
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  and you wear like maid outfits and stuff and it's, and then you
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  act like you're not wearing anything crazy.
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  Like the I got super drunk in stone shocker and I would join
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  his discord and I was just like in practical joker style in his
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  head telling him what to do and just crying laughing because it
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  was just a really fun time. And it was like you and like 7
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  other people too. So I'm like let's let's add that
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  up. And how many voices were in my
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  fucking head? Oh, it's hard.
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  I used to do it all the time. You know what?
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  I. Mean my favorite 1 is when
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  you're like turned because you have a very tiny little petite
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  body and you're like, you're fixing the green screen and then
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  they're like, hey, and you turn around, you have a big mustache
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  and like, and they're like, Oh my God.
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  It's not what they expected. Yeah, you're like, what?
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  Is there something on your face? Something.
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  I know that my hair, my hair is. My hair standing up or no I was
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  like you're just when they give you a shocked reaction, but I
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  know my green screen is is bent it's.
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  Yeah, it's got, it's dusty. I mean, that's what I'm doing,
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  man. I'm fixing it right?
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  Now, Oh my God, that's so good. I loved it.
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  Yeah. I haven't done anything really
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  on hinge like that recently. Last time M was down I did get I
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  we did a moonshine stream and apparently I still have AI.
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  Still have a drinking problem? Like.
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  We were doing like group games and every intermittently we
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  would do my face paint, like Juggalo face paint.
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  So I got really drunk and looked like Shaggy too dope and it was
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  definitely a time. We.
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  Should do that. We should, we should, we should
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  do it like an ABJ stream and then like do a watch along for a
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  movie or play video games and just and, and just get get
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  crossfader or something and just do stupid stuff.
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  I'll I'll drink, but I'm not gonna.
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  You're just a crazy lightweight. I did drink half of the
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  moonshine by myself. I've watched Billy sniff a beer
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  one time. I get blackout drunk.
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  Yeah. I threw water on someone.
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  Billy Billy is is a crazy lightweight.
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  Like he goes like he's hammered. He's hammered off the smell.
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  He can't even walk by the England brewery without getting
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  he's thrown up by the end of the block.
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  He's hammered. It's unfair.
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  I want to. I want to sign a petition to
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  have it moved to. Anywhere else to anywhere else?
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  Well, First off, no, I'm, I'm not sponsored yet, but I'm
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  working on it. Yeah.
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  Billy went to. What drag show did you go to?
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  I'm reading the chat here. They had it at Pilger, they did
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  the drag. Oh, the the bingo.
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  The bingo. Yeah, we missed.
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  That was Oh my God, it was so much fun.
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  It was awesome. Drag shows are the fucking best.
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  If you like going to drag shows, we'll take you.
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  This time we go to a Yeah, it was my first. 1 And I, I
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  genuinely had a great time but I was also like is this OK?
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  Like every time that like M gave me a dollar and I would look at
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  her like is this OK? How does this work?
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  You know, like. Me, we have sex now.
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  The one like the one queen like pulled their like strap over and
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  like maybe put it in this strap. The other one had like long ass
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  nails and they came over and they're like can I have a fry?
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  And they like stole a fry and they ate it with their
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  fingernails. It was so.
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  Funny, I've been I I honestly by the drag queen podcasts were
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  really fun. I really miss doing drag queen
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  podcasts. I definitely want to bring that
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  back. Yes, for sure.
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  I mean and. This misfit I believe, I believe
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  still run shows in the Harrisburg area and they are
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  amazing. I'm a big Miss Miss Smith fan
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  and yeah, we sure will definitely go out and support
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  them. It's such a cool art form.
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  For sure it is. It's it's so pro wrestling.
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  It's like it's funny to me. It is 100% and the only thing
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  that they really need, the only thing they really need is to
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  like have a promo where they're like, I'm going to dance better
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  than you, bitch. I'm going to, you know what I
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  mean? That's all they need.
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  That's all they need. Do you think, do you I I might
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  pitch that. I think we'll have a I'm going
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  to I'm here, we're going to brainstorm it here.
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  I'm going to I'm going to run it through you and your chat and
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  the chat here. But I think we should do I'll
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  I'll pitch it to miss Misfit and be like, hey, pro wrestling drag
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  stream a drag, a drag show. All the music is pro wrestling
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  music, right. So like you come out and like do
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  a sexy dance like DX suck it. Could you imagine the drag
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  queen? That'd be great.
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  But like but before every like performance, they have to cut a
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  promo like you ain't shit like I'd be.
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  Oh my God I would. I would have AI would pass away
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  if I had if I watched. Cutting promos would be like the
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  greatest thing in the world. Yeah, that should be an.
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  Hour, they don't even fight. They don't even fight.
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  It's just like. No, they Just Dance it out.
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  They Just Dance it out. Yeah.
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  Oh my God, how are they not promos and drag?
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  Queens, I think we just created something that.
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  Promos, promos and drag race like that has to be that has to
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  be an element We so like when you watch on TV, the best part
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  is, is when they're backstage and they're not performing and
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  they're being caddy and talking shit to each other.
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  So the promo aspect is in drag shows and in drag show on TV.
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  But I feel like that should be something you do in front of a
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  live crowd. Like you should insult or really
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  like your opponent and be like, I like you, but I I like the way
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  I'm going to have to dance. I'm going to have to dance
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  better than you. I'm going.
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  To have to dance a grave around you.
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  Oh, yeah, it's so good. Yeah, they did.
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  They did do an episode of like a wrestling episode on RuPaul.
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  I remember watching that and I remember, oh, my God, Lily
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  showed me the episode of RuPaul's Drag Race where they
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  had pro wrestling on. And I'm watching it.
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  And I go, oh, this is very problematic.
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  And she goes, why? And I go because the guy who's
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  training the drag Queens had a pro wrestle is cancelled like.
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  Oh man. It was Joey Ryan.
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  Oh geez. The guy who used to like, make
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  people touch his ween. Oh, yeah, though that's not a
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  good look. Yeah.
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  He was the one, he was the one coaching.
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  He wasn't in that character, but he was the one coaching them on
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  the episode. And I was like, oh man, that's
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  like having Chris Benoit as your coach.
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  You know what I mean? For people who are watching who
• 17:07
  don't know, Chris Benoit murdered his whole family and
• 17:10
  himself. So it's not a great, not a great
• 17:13
  pro wrestling story, but yeah, but this guy family.
• 17:16
  Therapist Truthfully. Yeah.
• 17:20
  Jesus Christ, yeah, I'm cancelled anytime I come on your
• 17:23
  podcast. It's just another check market
• 17:25
  reasons he shouldn't be around. Honestly, honestly, I'm I'm this
• 17:31
  person everywhere I go and at all times.
• 17:33
  This is just who I am. I don't like, I mean, well, I
• 17:36
  don't actually mean to hurt people's feelings, but it's just
• 17:38
  my humor. I, I, I combat my depression and
• 17:40
  anxiety with dark humor. But I had a guy tell me he goes,
• 17:43
  if this is how you are all the time, I can't even imagine you
• 17:45
  in a podcast. So I'm going to, I'm going to
• 17:47
  subscribe, giving people what they want, you know what I mean?
• 17:49
  That's awesome, dude. No, I get that.
• 17:51
  I totally understand from a musician's perspective and, and
• 17:56
  now like how you have to be a online personality in order to
• 18:01
  do anything because like realistically, like I'm not
• 18:04
  shit. I know it looks like, I know it
• 18:08
  looks like I have a big fucking thing going 'cause if you go to
• 18:13
  my Instagram, it's like 15,000 follow or 1500 followers.
• 18:17
  I wish I had 15,015 hundred followers.
• 18:20
  You know, my posts hit like 50 to 100 likes and stuff like
• 18:23
  that. But it's like that stuff doesn't
• 18:28
  translate to actual foot traffic within your like developmental
• 18:31
  space. And you have to defend yourself
• 18:35
  a lot in this climate. And so that's why I make it a
• 18:38
  point to tell a lot of people I'm like, you know, I want a
• 18:41
  safe world for sure, but I don't want any, any sensitive world.
• 18:46
  I don't care who you are, what you do or what you believe in.
• 18:48
  But like, if, as long as you're not hurting anyone and your
• 18:52
  goals are to make the world better for everyone else and and
• 18:56
  you can just give your care up for, you know, your first of all
• 19:00
  for yourself is and foremost is the most important thing.
• 19:04
  But it takes a lot to take care of others.
• 19:07
  And that shows a lot more character than anything.
• 19:10
  I think. And it might sound stupid, but
• 19:14
  there's been so many times where like, I had a show booked and
• 19:18
  mentally couldn't get there or you know what I mean?
• 19:21
  And I wasn't feeling it. And I was like, if I do this
• 19:23
  show, it's going to be miserable and I'm not going to be happy or
• 19:26
  I was sick. So I would message numerous
• 19:29
  artists that have already given me opportunities.
• 19:31
  And I'd be like, hey, come do this, you know?
• 19:33
  And the only way a lot of people shit on like the music scene in
• 19:37
  this area, and the only way for a scene to exist in a world that
• 19:42
  we have now is to actually build each other up rather than to be
• 19:46
  like, I want this show, I want that show.
• 19:49
  Not that I know anybody that's like that, but I've definitely
• 19:52
  seen like I do have a. Critique though when it comes to
• 19:54
  local music scene. I remember.
• 19:57
  When I first got into this content space 8-9 years ago, the
• 20:02
  music scene was a huge chunk of it.
• 20:04
  I I interviewed a lot of the local people in this area.
• 20:06
  You yourself included the old interviews of everyday people.
• 20:09
  But I I but I also remember days where if a band.
• 20:13
  Was playing. On a Friday night at.
• 20:17
  Goodfellas or. If they were at a local bar, a
• 20:20
  lot of the other bands showed up and supported that band.
• 20:24
  I I think we have. A lot of people who play it like
• 20:26
  Pilguru is our spot right now. That's essentially where we
• 20:28
  that's where the music is. That's where I go and watch
• 20:30
  probably the most live music. That's one of.
• 20:33
  Three places in this area, which makes.
• 20:35
  My point, even worse, what I say what I'm about to say because
• 20:40
  we'll have a show and it's an outside person or it's someone
• 20:43
  who is not from the area who is being brought in to maybe help
• 20:47
  uplift our music scene and bring more eyes and bring more
• 20:50
  attention. And not one local musician shows
• 20:53
  up to that person's show. It's like if if I'm not booked,
• 20:56
  I'm not showing up. And I think that mentality isn't
• 20:59
  going to help this local scene at all.
• 21:02
  Dude, I think that's not a huge reason why because my huge
• 21:08
  reason has always been to support my friends when I have
• 21:12
  the money to do so. I always go out and I go see
• 21:15
  anyone and if I've already seen someone a million times, like
• 21:17
  I'll go see someone else. Like that's just how it is.
• 21:19
  Literally like last night. Precious not to break kayfabe.
• 21:24
  We've been friends for a long time and he hit me up and sent
• 21:27
  me, you know, the flyer and everything.
• 21:29
  He's like, this is going to be my first ladder match.
• 21:31
  I would love for you to be there and you know, see it.
• 21:34
  And I'm like, dude, I've wanted to come out since you started,
• 21:37
  you know, doing this shit. I just had a lot of ups and
• 21:40
  downs and stuff. It does say goon.
• 21:43
  It's goon O clock baby. And so you know it, I was like,
• 21:50
  oh, it's 20 bucks, all right, I'll go do that.
• 21:52
  I should be getting paid this week.
• 21:54
  Whatever. And then turned out like, Andy
• 21:57
  Hedder was wrestling that night. The only thing I saw on the
• 21:59
  flyer was just the ladder match, So I didn't know who all was
• 22:02
  there. And then Andy Hedder came out.
• 22:03
  I was like, oh, this is sick. And then Tony's music hits, and
• 22:06
  I'm like, that sounds familiar. And then like, he comes out and
• 22:09
  he was like, dude, I didn't know you were gonna be here.
• 22:11
  Like neither of them knew. And I'm like, well, I'm the only
• 22:13
  person that told me was precious.
• 22:15
  Like that's kind of on you guys. But no and.
• 22:18
  And me and Andy Hedder talked about it too, 'cause he'll be
• 22:21
  like, man, I've, I shared it a lot.
• 22:24
  I don't know how you wouldn't have seen it, you know what I
• 22:26
  mean? I'm like, the algorithm hates
• 22:27
  us. That's just how it is that I
• 22:29
  mean, I, I shared a lot. Too.
• 22:30
  But I'm not a wrestler, so people don't come to the shows
• 22:32
  for me. No, I don't.
• 22:34
  Even I don't even see your posts specifically, like I don't know
• 22:39
  anything that you've been up to because your timelines.
• 22:41
  Probably flooded with big booby goth girls, you know what I
• 22:44
  mean? That too, but.
• 22:45
  The only time I see it is when you send me stuff on Snapchat
• 22:49
  and I'm like that's the go to honestly that's.
• 22:51
  Why I use? Snapchat as much as I do and I
• 22:53
  quick add random people because you never know you never fucking
• 22:56
  know like for a while there I was getting like 100,000 views
• 22:59
  per post on Instagram wow like crazy numbers.
• 23:04
  They didn't translate to any other platform, but people were
• 23:06
  looking at stuff. So that's that's the.
• 23:08
  Thing though is like, so you know, now I've been going out to
• 23:13
  shows places that I've never been to before. 1 specifically
• 23:16
  is Union Vapors, which is in Scranton, which is way out of
• 23:19
  our area. It's like an hour, 20 minutes
• 23:22
  away. They sponsored a.
• 23:23
  Wrestling show that I I worked at one time oh really Oh yeah
• 23:26
  the. The The New Era show.
• 23:29
  And it was in the the Scranton Mall.
• 23:31
  Oh, what? That's what I had, yeah, they
• 23:33
  were. They were.
• 23:33
  They were the sponsors of the show.
• 23:35
  They were really cool. Though Ken's really nice and
• 23:38
  literally everyone that works there.
• 23:39
  They have the nicest sound system I've ever seen in a vape
• 23:42
  shop. Yeah, it's.
• 23:45
  It's it's it's awesome, but like I would go out and see bands
• 23:47
  that I've never seen before, never heard of and just be like,
• 23:50
  hey, I'm a musician too, so I want to like check everyone out
• 23:53
  and through that, you know, I think my hope is that they would
• 23:58
  then come out and turn for my shows or at least watch my
• 24:01
  streams or you know what I mean, like and support.
• 24:03
  So it's it's, but it's rare, but it does happen that a band isn't
• 24:08
  too focused on themselves, that they share the people that are
• 24:11
  also lifting them up as. Yeah, well, I mean.
• 24:14
  I called you the one day like, hey, man, there's a showdown, a
• 24:15
  pill guru and this guy came all the way from fucking like
• 24:19
  Virginia and no one's here. Can you if you're not busy, can
• 24:23
  you just come down and fucking hang out with me and support
• 24:25
  this guy? And we literally sat and just
• 24:27
  scream sang out of the whole time because he played
• 24:29
  everything we like. And then that became a
• 24:31
  relationship and now you guys tour together and hang out and
• 24:33
  do stuff like that's that's what it's about, dude.
• 24:36
  Brad is so. Cool, We talked to each other.
• 24:38
  I literally just talked to him before doing this episode and I
• 24:41
  was like, hey, I'm doing this podcast with Tony.
• 24:43
  I know that you did the five, you know, questions.
• 24:46
  Maybe you you know what I mean? Like I just sent him like in a
• 24:49
  mass message thing. He's he's like, send me the
• 24:51
  fucking link, fucker. That that's why I was like, do
• 24:53
  you have a link I can send him? Yeah, he's great.
• 24:57
  I. Love him, he's so cool and he's
• 24:58
  so. Chill and he does a lot of
• 25:00
  covers that not a lot of people do and in so many different
• 25:04
  spaces too. I remember the so last show we
• 25:07
  just did was the Barn at the River Run Inn and it was me,
• 25:14
  Brad Junk punk, Bobby Crumb from Cole State, which was a band.
• 25:20
  And. Let's see Timmy.
• 25:23
  I don't know how I almost forgot Timmy.
• 25:25
  Like I'm playing shows with him. Never.
• 25:26
  Yeah, some other guy. He was he was outside smoking.
• 25:28
  Chain smoking cigarettes and yelling at kids for driving
• 25:31
  their bikes on the sidewalk. Yeah, but.
• 25:35
  Yeah, And me and Brad were just talking like, man, this is.
• 25:38
  And that's all he does. All he does is is play.
• 25:42
  That's how he makes his money. And I'm like, you're crazy.
• 25:45
  Like you're living the punk lifestyle.
• 25:47
  So in turn you did you tell him or did I tell him that I, you
• 25:52
  know, I played with handguns for a little bit, something like I
• 25:55
  must have told him because he was like, what do you do?
• 25:56
  And I was like, I've toured in this band and he was like, dude,
• 25:59
  I like that band. I've listened to them, right?
• 26:02
  And then come, you know, a week ago Handguns current tour
• 26:06
  manager messaged me and they were like, Hey, do you have any
• 26:09
  shows like that you can help us book for this area or do you
• 26:12
  know anyone in these specific places?
• 26:14
  And I was like, message this guy.
• 26:16
  And then it was Brad. I was like, message Brad and
• 26:20
  freaking. So I hit him up after.
• 26:21
  I was like, hey man, hope they got back to you or hope they
• 26:24
  message you. He's like, yeah, they did, dude,
• 26:25
  we got this show and that. And I'm.
• 26:27
  He was like, I'm really grateful for that.
• 26:29
  So like for me, I think it's important that I just like
• 26:32
  realize who. Who's a real musician?
• 26:36
  Who's a real person and kind of scrape off the mold of people
• 26:41
  just trying to step on heads to get up and like buy fucking
• 26:44
  views and buy listens and and all that bullshit and you're not
• 26:48
  gonna get anywhere. Why is it a thing?
• 26:50
  In the music world where like, hey, me, Brad and Timmy are good
• 26:55
  buddies, but we're not like we all play the same instrument.
• 26:59
  We all do the same thing. So like we can't collaborate.
• 27:02
  We can't do bands. We could tour together, but
• 27:04
  that's pretty much like that. I feel like the idea of this,
• 27:07
  like, hey, maybe we should like run a song together.
• 27:08
  Let's do like a song, like one song you put on your album, I
• 27:11
  put on my album. Like, why isn't that a thing
• 27:13
  more in other music? Like it happens a lot more on
• 27:16
  hip hop and R&B. We're like, they'll a hip hop
• 27:19
  guy will go to an R&B song or vice versa and they'll lay a
• 27:21
  verse down. And then people are like, oh, I
• 27:23
  listen to this artist all the time and this person came on as
• 27:26
  a collaborator about all artists.
• 27:29
  I want to listen to more of their stuff.
• 27:30
  That doesn't really happen in the rock punk scene.
• 27:35
  I would agree but I think more so this year in inherently like
• 27:39
  Spirit Box did a lot of feature like everything this year
• 27:44
  specifically. Maybe it's just people catching
• 27:47
  on. Silverstein just put out a new
• 27:50
  album and there's at least 4 features.
• 27:52
  A lot of a lot of punk bands put out out like free throw just re
• 27:56
  released an album that has a lot of features on old songs, which
• 27:58
  is like shout out free throw, Corey, the homies.
• 28:03
  But yeah, a lot a lot of a lot of artists this year
• 28:06
  specifically are doing collabs, I think primarily because of the
• 28:10
  TikTok and Instagram trends. And they're like, hey, if you
• 28:14
  work with this person. Yeah, Amy Lee, Poppy and the I
• 28:17
  think it's the girl from Spirit Box just did like a three three
• 28:21
  artists cover. I listened to that, not.
• 28:23
  Really made me listen to it. It was really cool.
• 28:25
  Yeah. So it's.
• 28:26
  Like, I don't think it's ever not been a thing.
• 28:29
  I think it's been less likely, but I think the hardest part is
• 28:32
  finding people that you can write and collaborate with in
• 28:35
  your style of music. But isn't that the challenge?
• 28:38
  Though to find people that maybe are not in your style, like and
• 28:42
  and challenge yourself for sure but.
• 28:44
  I think you also have to have your heart and what you're
• 28:47
  doing. And I, I don't think a lot of
• 28:48
  like, not that me and Timmy or Brad wouldn't do that.
• 28:51
  I think it's more so like time constraints for us.
• 28:54
  I mean like, I know I have a lot of time, but in reality that
• 28:58
  time has spent me focusing on are are even just like.
• 29:02
  Make I don't know how this works from a content standpoint
• 29:04
  because I'm not I'm not up to like copyright laws or how it
• 29:08
  works. But just like I show up one day
• 29:10
  and you guys are all hanging out and you just play like a jam
• 29:11
  session, like maybe. Oh, because me and Brad both
• 29:14
  like this emo band, we're going to cover it and I'll just have
• 29:17
  someone film it and then put it online like that.
• 29:19
  Stuff like that is, is how you blow up.
• 29:21
  Like yeah, lately I've. Been doing that a lot at the end
• 29:24
  of shows when I have time and I don't have to go home right
• 29:27
  away. It started in Philly.
• 29:29
  I played a show with Black Cowboy, Cheap City Forever and
• 29:35
  this artist that goes by SB and after we played the show it's
• 29:39
  like 11:00 at night. But I was like, me and SB just
• 29:42
  really got along. We had a lot of the same
• 29:44
  interest musically and stuff like that.
• 29:45
  And we were talking about the band Say Anything.
• 29:48
  So we did an impromptu cover of a say anything song in like this
• 29:51
  parking this laundromat parking lot right next to the venue.
• 29:54
  And that's that's up on my Instagram and stuff too.
• 29:56
  That's awesome. So, but I've been trying to
• 29:58
  recapture that. But I want it to be genuine.
• 30:01
  You know, I don't want to go up to someone and just because we
• 30:03
  played a show together like hey man, I know that like mood,
• 30:06
  blah, blah, blah, like you want to do this or whatever.
• 30:08
  So I, I just want it to be more of a genuine interaction than
• 30:12
  being like, I do this at everything, you know, you know,
• 30:15
  it would be a. Cool move.
• 30:17
  Can I pitch an ID? The ability?
• 30:18
  I think you're talented enough to pull this off.
• 30:20
  So like Brad or Tim, you tour with them a lot, right?
• 30:24
  I think it'd be a cool. I think it'd be a cool nod.
• 30:27
  If like, hey, I'm going to go play with Johnny Crumb.
• 30:30
  I don't know. I was just a fine name you said
• 30:32
  earlier, I thought. Bobby Crumb, Johnny.
• 30:34
  Bobby but I just remember Crumb because it's a it was from a
• 30:37
  Nickelodeon TV show, but like you listen to one of his songs
• 30:42
  and learn it and he but don't tell him.
• 30:44
  And then the day of the show will be like, Hey, when you play
• 30:46
  that song, can I come come join you And like almost shock him
• 30:49
  that you took the time out to learn his thing and figure out
• 30:52
  what he's doing and then do that collaboration.
• 30:54
  And I think he like, that's like a great way to feel like it for
• 30:56
  his followers to be like, Oh, Billy's actually a fan of his
• 30:58
  music. They're not just working
• 30:59
  together because they're trying to do like he generally cares
• 31:02
  about him. Like, I think that's a cool nod
• 31:04
  to your fellow musician of like, hey, man, I took time out to
• 31:07
  learn your chords and stuff and, and I'd like to perform that
• 31:09
  with you if you're cool with it. Like, you know, I think that's a
• 31:12
  cool. Like when you're on a stage and
• 31:13
  two bands are collaborating or they're doing a tour together
• 31:16
  and then one comes out and plays a song with the other.
• 31:18
  It's a genuine, it's a genuine music feeling of like, holy
• 31:21
  shit, they actually like each other.
• 31:23
  This is not just a business agreement.
• 31:24
  You know what I mean? Like 100.
• 31:26
  Percent No, I I agree with that for sure.
• 31:29
  And it's, it's something that I've thought about.
• 31:32
  It's just kind of hard cause a lot of artists in our area
• 31:34
  specifically like change up how they play their songs.
• 31:38
  A lot of us do, you know what I mean?
• 31:40
  Like some days we're having a rough day.
• 31:41
  So we're like, I'm gonna play it in this key instead.
• 31:43
  But no, I definitely think I, I have the full confidence that
• 31:47
  like, improvisation is a big thing.
• 31:49
  And I mean, you've seen me play with Mikey before, who's the guy
• 31:53
  that accompanies me on sax. He's amazing.
• 31:57
  He. Can play and he.
• 31:58
  Can play any instrument. He plays with Timmy.
• 32:00
  He plays with any band that is on the bill of that day.
• 32:04
  He will ask to play with any instrument.
• 32:07
  You know what? The you know what?
• 32:08
  The best this part about him was so he he came to an open mic and
• 32:12
  Eddie, your your uncle walks up to me and goes, this guy's
• 32:16
  fucking amazing. And I go what?
• 32:17
  And he goes, I, I'm a, you think I'm a pretty good musician,
• 32:20
  right? And I go, I think you're one of
• 32:21
  the best. He goes, that guy kicks my ass
• 32:25
  and I was like, no way. And he's like, yeah.
• 32:28
  And and if if Eddie gives says like watch this, like pay
• 32:32
  attention, I immediately go I I respect his he I respect his
• 32:37
  take that he's going to like I that's what I would like to be
• 32:39
  in the world of entertainment or my content of like I've earned
• 32:42
  the respect of like, hey, if I if I like this movie or here's
• 32:45
  why I like this movie, you respected or you're like, OK, I
• 32:47
  understand where he came from. Or like, oh, a wrestler.
• 32:49
  I should definitely go check this out or a musician check him
• 32:52
  out like because not only OK, I think it's important because
• 32:55
  sometimes you're like, I really like this artist and then you
• 32:57
  find out they're like dirt balls and you're like shit that.
• 32:59
  Hurts, you know. What I mean, I promise you if
• 33:01
  I'm putting you on to a person on my podcast, I'm making sure
• 33:05
  they're not a dirt ball. Like now.
• 33:07
  I mean, listen, I have some past episodes that can maybe say the
• 33:10
  difference. But like last night backstage or
• 33:14
  even like in general, I feel like I'm treating anything I
• 33:17
  work with or people I work with like jail.
• 33:19
  Like you walk up to me and I'm like, yo, show me your papers.
• 33:21
  Like I need to learn about you. I want to know who.
• 33:24
  I need to see. I need to see who you're
• 33:25
  following. I need to see what who you voted
• 33:27
  for. I want to know what religion
• 33:29
  you're in. Why are you here?
• 33:31
  I need 10 references from previous girlfriends.
• 33:34
  Like I I'm not playing anymore. Like I'm not associating myself
• 33:37
  with dirt balls. You know what I mean?
• 33:39
  Not doing it. I'm run your papers.
• 33:41
  I need your papers. No.
• 33:43
  And it's it's hard. To obviously I'm not going to
• 33:46
  touch on like, political shit because it's war right now.
• 33:49
  And I think the last thing I need to do is stoke a fire of
• 33:52
  something that doesn't even fucking pertain to my existence.
• 33:56
  You know what I mean? And you know, we're in a world.
• 34:00
  Yeah, I'm Ally, brother. I'll fight.
• 34:03
  And fucking yeah, my, my perspective on it is like, I
• 34:09
  don't try to go too in depth with people, but if I see
• 34:12
  something, I'm obviously going to say something and be like,
• 34:14
  yo, what you did like I don't agree with in this manner.
• 34:18
  And you know, that's just how it is.
• 34:20
  You know what I mean? But I try.
• 34:24
  To get too caught up in too with the trends, but like also when
• 34:27
  the trends happen, I feel like somebody with maybe I'm being
• 34:31
  egotistic when I say this, but like I feel like my take can
• 34:33
  matter. Like, oh, listen, I don't I
• 34:35
  don't think you should condone this, but also to do this is
• 34:38
  probably not the best thing either.
• 34:39
  You know what I mean? Like.
• 34:41
  At the end of the day, let's. Let's not play into the system.
• 34:43
  Well, the thing The thing is. Too.
• 34:44
  And I know that we're vaguely talking about the same
• 34:47
  situation, but it's like so if you're listening.
• 34:49
  If you're listening. To this it is.
• 34:50
  It is September the 14th and this is.
• 34:53
  Not too far. After the assassination or
• 34:56
  murder of a content creator, like as even a content creator,
• 34:59
  man, that changes the game for people like us too.
• 35:01
  We're we're look like a couple months, a couple weeks before
• 35:04
  this podcast a a professional MMA fighter got in the ring and
• 35:07
  almost killed a pro wrestler, but you know what I mean.
• 35:09
  And then a couple weeks later, a think creator is shot and killed
• 35:12
  at a college campus. That's my 2 industries that are
• 35:16
  now looked at differently and like, you're tiptoeing on stuff,
• 35:21
  you know what I mean? Like, yeah, yeah, it's, it's.
• 35:24
  Because someone could be like. Yo this pod, this stupid
• 35:27
  podcaster isn't a part of my thing and he's in my local town
• 35:30
  like it turns. Depends.
• 35:31
  What you're doing into a political agenda of any kind,
• 35:34
  and it's kind of bullshit because the way that I see it is
• 35:37
  like, fucking if you're not inherently trying to harm
• 35:42
  people, then you know, you're, you don't even have to be a good
• 35:46
  person. You know what I mean?
• 35:48
  Like, you could be, you could be a dirt ball and exist.
• 35:50
  But like, being a good person just is easier on my conscience
• 35:55
  to keep you around. Yeah, totally.
• 35:57
  But you know. Differing opinions is totally
• 36:01
  fine as long as your opinions aren't.
• 36:04
  Oh, I think the X should happen to.
• 36:07
  Yeah, maybe, maybe shut. The fuck up on those, You know
• 36:10
  what I mean? Yeah.
• 36:12
  I. Don't care what?
• 36:12
  Book you read, keep it yourself. Exactly.
• 36:16
  Yeah, but. It is.
• 36:18
  It is. Crazy though, in a world where
• 36:20
  like you not only as a are a person, but you're like, you're
• 36:24
  an influencer now. You know, even if you're not a
• 36:27
  podcaster, you can just post on Facebook and everyone's like,
• 36:29
  well, your opinion is 1000 times louder than everyone else's for
• 36:32
  what reason? You know what I mean?
• 36:34
  Like just shit like that. And it's like I've, I've had no
• 36:38
  voice for a long time because I just sat right in the middle.
• 36:41
  And now I'm at the point where I'm like, actually this is
• 36:43
  affecting people that matter to me.
• 36:44
  I should probably actually do some shit.
• 36:46
  So like it lies within myself too.
• 36:49
  I shouldn't have been dormant for years but I'm 26 and I'm
• 36:54
  still trying to figure out my fucking life so get over it.
• 36:56
  You're not dude. I'm.
• 36:57
  I'm I'm almost 40 and I have I'm still fucking guessing, you know
• 37:00
  what I mean? No one really knows what the
• 37:01
  fuck we're doing. Like your our grandfathers were
• 37:04
  probably were like fucking in their 60s and 70s or whatever
• 37:07
  and me and like. I just wake up man.
• 37:10
  And I. Figure it out.
• 37:11
  You know what I mean? It's like so like.
• 37:13
  I feel like people don't realize how much time matters in in that
• 37:17
  sense because, you know, back in the day somewhere.
• 37:21
  Your dream collabs, though. Yeah.
• 37:23
  Great segue. This is where I was going.
• 37:25
  My grandfather, he passed away when I was young.
• 37:27
  No. I don't know.
• 37:32
  As far as dream collabs go, 'cause this is a good way to get
• 37:36
  off of this topic and I I like it.
• 37:40
  Definitely. I definitely.
• 37:41
  Smoke and popes definitely. If like Fat Mike from No FX
• 37:44
  wanted to do something, I would so do it, even though he's a
• 37:47
  controversial individual as well.
• 37:51
  Yeah, basically any artist that has inspired me, I would love to
• 37:54
  collaborate with. Is there a local person?
• 37:56
  That you want to collaborate with?
• 37:58
  Yeah. Fucking everyone did and
• 38:01
  literally every, every artist that I've ever played with, I
• 38:04
  would love to be on a Churches and Trains song.
• 38:06
  I would love to be on a, you know, a yell at God song or A
• 38:10
  and and that's, it's funny too, because they had put out a whole
• 38:13
  thing where you could be on one of their tracks and I just
• 38:15
  wasn't home at the time, so I couldn't even record it.
• 38:19
  But like as far as actually like write sitting down and writing a
• 38:22
  song together, I would love to write with Timmy.
• 38:25
  I would love to write with Mikey because everything that we play
• 38:28
  is just stuff that I've written and he is just collaborating
• 38:32
  with me. Yeah.
• 38:36
  I'm actually, I'm playing a show this week, the 19th.
• 38:43
  So yeah, I think it's this week coming up 19th.
• 38:47
  Oh yeah, Friday. Yeah.
• 38:48
  So this. Friday I'm playing in Lancaster
• 38:50
  at the DLZ house and it's an Ask a Punk event.
• 38:54
  Keep your house shows alive, you know love them because we create
• 38:59
  safe environments for everyone to exist in, which is awesome.
• 39:02
  And it's fucking if we if we can't get tickets.
• 39:04
  To Dracula and Saint Clair will come out yeah, I mean, it's.
• 39:07
  A bit of. A It's a bit of a drive, but I
• 39:10
  kind of rather. That I feel like we've been in
• 39:12
  this same area for a while. I need to get out and you should
• 39:15
  I think. You would enjoy it.
• 39:16
  I think you would have a great time.
• 39:17
  I'm also trying to support. The local, like if I'm not going
• 39:20
  to your show on Friday, I'm going to support like local
• 39:22
  theatre. Like I'm trying to like I want
• 39:25
  to go into more majestic shows. I want to, you know what I mean?
• 39:27
  I'm trying to get my stuff out there more and do stuff 100.
• 39:30
  Percent. But so this DLZ house is like a
• 39:32
  big deal in the indie space, indie sphere, whatever you want
• 39:37
  to call it. And it's hard to get in.
• 39:40
  But actually my buddy Justin, he is the person that booked the
• 39:44
  show because I've wanted this a long time.
• 39:46
  So launch conference was in March this year, which was like
• 39:52
  the first big event that I've ever played, which like launch
• 39:55
  conference includes like 30 or 15 different venues all around
• 40:01
  that general area in Lancaster, breweries, the hotel, like
• 40:07
  restaurants of artists just playing everywhere and.
• 40:11
  When I looked at my flyer for my date, I saw Justin.
• 40:14
  And I was like, huh, That name, like all the names stuck out was
• 40:17
  like, Bright Kelly, Justin. There was Alex Brubaker, I think
• 40:21
  was on there. And there was another artist.
• 40:23
  And I'm so sorry that I don't remember your name, but I try
• 40:26
  really hard to. You're dead to me.
• 40:27
  You're dead to me. Yeah, you're dead to.
• 40:30
  Me. They'll they'll never play with
• 40:32
  me again. But anyway, I looked them all up
• 40:35
  and I've hit up Bright Kelly a couple times too, but Justin
• 40:38
  specifically, I really liked his voice.
• 40:41
  I even bought his tape that he was selling at The One Show that
• 40:45
  we played together. So this is his tape bowl by
• 40:48
  Justin Adams. It's so good.
• 40:51
  He. Goes by.
• 40:52
  Justin Ace on Instagram, I believe, and his song Latchkey
• 40:56
  is just like the catchiest shit that I've ever heard.
• 40:59
  At first, I really like TV lines, which is the second song.
• 41:03
  And then the third song is Keep Dreaming Kid.
• 41:05
  And now it's just like it was a toss up between Keep Dreaming
• 41:08
  and Latchkey. But I think Latchkey is
• 41:09
  definitely my favorite. So like I looked him up prior to
• 41:12
  my show and I was like, this guy is the guy.
• 41:14
  I like his style, I like what he's doing.
• 41:16
  Like I want to work with this guy.
• 41:18
  So that's a dream collab for sure.
• 41:21
  And I hit him up and I was like, yo, we should play together.
• 41:23
  And then I went on Spotify and I was just listening to like our
• 41:26
  blend. Like what comes up when you
• 41:28
  listen to the Converse kid and Justin's music.
• 41:31
  And this dude Dan Rogers showed up.
• 41:33
  He goes by Rand Dodgers. It's kind of funny, but he plays
• 41:38
  in a ton of bands in like the Phoenixville area And he his
• 41:42
  voice is just phenomenal and his like musicianship is amazing.
• 41:47
  Who's the who's the guy? I.
• 41:48
  Sent you a while ago that does all the blink 182 covers and he
• 41:51
  he'll do all the like country. Things, yeah, he'll do like
• 41:54
  this. Song by blink 182 or like this
• 41:56
  song I. I feel like him and Eddie would
• 41:58
  be a fucking monster duo for sure.
• 42:02
  I mean they almost look the same too.
• 42:03
  I know they look like the. Same human, but I, I think
• 42:05
  musicianly and like personality wise, I think they would be
• 42:08
  really fun. They would be a fun
• 42:10
  collaboration. Yeah, just insert.
• 42:12
  Him into the Collins. Family and nobody would ever
• 42:14
  know, you know what I mean? Yeah.
• 42:16
  Fuck yeah, dude. But that's what's crazy about
• 42:18
  it. So the that's our music's tastes
• 42:21
  were similar. Our interests were similar, you
• 42:23
  know, and personality wise, I think we all fall within the
• 42:26
  same category. And I just asked them.
• 42:30
  I was like, can we play a show together and then leave it up to
• 42:33
  Justin to be the one who was able to book a show where the
• 42:36
  other two were free? And so now we're playing.
• 42:39
  Yeah. So what what time are you
• 42:40
  getting out there on? Friday, Like what time are you
• 42:42
  leaving? I don't know.
• 42:43
  'Cause I need to. Relook at the doors and stuff
• 42:46
  like that. But I could after this I could
• 42:48
  send you and give you the 'cause I I don't get out of work.
• 42:50
  Till like 4:30. So I don't, I don't know if
• 42:53
  you'll be gone. You.
• 42:53
  You'll be awake gone by then, maybe.
• 42:56
  Loncast is like a 40. 5 minute hour drive if if that, yeah,
• 42:59
  it's like an hour. For me, I don't know what time
• 43:00
  the show. Starts.
• 43:03
  But if if if you're. Still home before, I mean, I'll
• 43:06
  ride up with you and like, I'll vlog it.
• 43:07
  I'll put, I'll do an I'll vlog episode where me and you go on
• 43:10
  the road and you go perform and I'll just sit around the venue
• 43:12
  and just take it in and record stuff and I'll put, we'll make a
• 43:15
  vlog out of it. So if you don't leave by 4:30,
• 43:18
  I'll I'll jump in with you and go.
• 43:19
  So that'd be rad. I think that be super cool and
• 43:23
  it would be an interesting. The only thing is it's not a
• 43:25
  like put the address out there thing.
• 43:26
  So there's definitely you have to do it like undercover, but
• 43:31
  it'd be like a really cool love log and an idea.
• 43:35
  Oh yeah, I'm not going to dox. People, I'll just take like
• 43:38
  people on stage or crowd moments like I'm not going to like, no,
• 43:41
  I'm pulling into the house. You know me because.
• 43:45
  Like Apes of the State is like one of the bigger names in in
• 43:48
  the full punk industry and they've played this venue and
• 43:50
  then like they're playing within the same week.
• 43:53
  So they shared it. So like it's, it's really cool
• 43:55
  to me that like, Oh my God, this like big band is what I view as
• 43:59
  a big band. What my friends have told me is
• 44:01
  like, the band has shared this thing that I'm doing with like
• 44:04
  two guys, guys that I've always wanted to play a show with and
• 44:07
  like. And the birdist is.
• 44:09
  Playing who's another talented artist I didn't know about until
• 44:12
  this show is booked and I've I like I haven't listened to them
• 44:16
  that much. So I can't like, be like, you
• 44:19
  know, I thought, Todd Bird started.
• 44:21
  A new project and it was called. The different guy, different guy
• 44:26
  or different person? I don't.
• 44:28
  Know. Tom's a join.
• 44:29
  Join the project. Well, what what makes you
• 44:32
  qualified? I hold a guitar and my last name
• 44:34
  is Bird. Bird.
• 44:35
  That's. Right as fuck.
• 44:37
  You're the birdiest of the bird. I'm super stoked.
• 44:40
  About that show, anyone that's listening should totally come
• 44:42
  out to that. It's going to be a great time if
• 44:44
  you know the address. And all that if you know the
• 44:45
  address if. You DM them and if you're a cool
• 44:47
  person you could totally get the address for sure.
• 44:49
  We're going to run your papers. We're going to see.
• 44:52
  We're going to check your Internet search history.
• 44:54
  We have to check what videos you're watching on YouTube.
• 44:56
  It's a whole process. But we'll make sure and make I'm
• 44:59
  not a belt. I don't listen to me.
• 45:00
  I'm just being funny. But no.
• 45:02
  And maybe, who knows, keep an eye on the channel and maybe
• 45:05
  we'll we'll we'll do a a vlog of the experience.
• 45:09
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 45:10
  So, So since we've talked, have you had any setbacks or
• 45:13
  adversities that you had to overcome?
• 45:16
  Yeah, yeah, I. Don't know what you want to talk
• 45:20
  about but. Yeah, a lot.
• 45:24
  You just want me to tell. You what you went through for
• 45:26
  the no, no, no, no. I went.
• 45:29
  Through a. Rough, rough patch and A and a
• 45:31
  breakup and a total downward spiral.
• 45:34
  I went on tour and then I came home and completely forgot, like
• 45:38
  who I was is the best way to put it.
• 45:40
  I felt like I was in a state of like, I just wasn't around.
• 45:47
  Like I existed, but I wasn't here.
• 45:49
  And so I just kind of lost myself and I had a really good
• 45:53
  job and and I loved my crew that I worked with and everything.
• 45:56
  And they're still like awesome people.
• 45:58
  I'm gonna try to go to a Halloween party that one of
• 46:01
  them's hosting, you know, it's like, so nothing on them, but I
• 46:04
  literally like, I remember you. Should you?
• 46:06
  Should go in your. Old work uniform for the
• 46:09
  Halloween. Thing dude though, you know they
• 46:11
  would. They would lose their shit I
• 46:13
  think. It'd be funny.
• 46:14
  But I think they'd probably be like leave, No, they a lot of
• 46:18
  them have asked for me to come back, but I just can't.
• 46:20
  I just in. In my in.
• 46:23
  My. History.
• 46:24
  I'm not able to do that. But yeah, so.
• 46:27
  I remember I woke up one day and I just wasn't here, You know, I,
• 46:33
  I, my boss called my mom and was like, hey, where's Billy?
• 46:37
  Like, why, why isn't he at work today?
• 46:38
  And she came into my room and she's like, are you going to
• 46:41
  work? What's going on?
• 46:42
  And keep in mind like this, that year I like lost my closest
• 46:48
  friend, my cat that I loved for a long time and had to like go
• 46:52
  through that whole trauma. My relationship at the time was
• 46:56
  constantly like, oh, we're off now, we're on again, now we're
• 47:00
  off again. Like it was like a whole fucking
• 47:01
  mess. And and I just didn't know who I
• 47:03
  was anymore. And I just kind of gave up and I
• 47:05
  started just like I went to work every day, came home, slept,
• 47:08
  went to work every day, came home, slept, had no worse at.
• 47:11
  Spiral as a creative person is the worst.
• 47:13
  Like you feel like you're becoming human.
• 47:16
  I'm not. Even human anymore.
• 47:17
  I feel like I'm but but no, that's what I feel.
• 47:19
  Like the rest of the world is, is like, I go to work, I come
• 47:21
  home, I sleep or I come home, I eat, I sleep, I go to work.
• 47:24
  I, you know what I mean? Like that, rinse and repeat.
• 47:26
  Like I couldn't, I, I do that. I just tell them, Lily, like, I
• 47:28
  come home and it's like, all right, I got to figure out a way
• 47:30
  to create something or play or, or, or interview or watch
• 47:33
  something so I can talk about it later.
• 47:35
  Like it just. And then when that goes away and
• 47:38
  you go into like that, yeah, that mode, it's tough to dig out
• 47:41
  of. And it was that.
• 47:43
  Right after doing achieving one of the biggest goals in my life,
• 47:47
  which was playing the venue chain reaction and I was able to
• 47:50
  do that through the dudes and handguns that like they brought
• 47:53
  me on my first ever tour. They helped me with so much in
• 47:57
  my in my musical career as far as like booking shows and just
• 48:01
  learning my own worth and, and that I'm a talented musician and
• 48:05
  artist, you know, and, and obviously there's been ups and
• 48:08
  downs with that two of us, like butting heads or whatever, But
• 48:11
  I've always, I'll always say it like Jake is crazy, but I love
• 48:15
  him for everything that he's done for me and he's still like
• 48:17
  a Big Brother to me as as always, you know, Jake, Jake's
• 48:20
  Jake. 'S great.
• 48:22
  He's a he's a great. Crazy man.
• 48:26
  But yeah, the the handguns did a lot for me for sure.
• 48:30
  But then it also helped me forge my own path.
• 48:33
  And when I came home from this tour that, like, fucking, I just
• 48:37
  thought of taking cool spaces. Yeah, yeah.
• 48:41
  Like I don't talk to. Him ever, like, we just don't
• 48:43
  talk. And then I'll just get like a
• 48:45
  random message and I'll be like, just say something and it's like
• 48:48
  so out of left field and I'll be like, all right, man, oh, my
• 48:52
  God. But he messaged me.
• 48:53
  He messaged me after my car accident.
• 48:56
  Oh, really? He's like, yeah.
• 48:57
  And he's like, if that car's total, I'll take the parts.
• 49:00
  I need them. I was just like, I'll let you
• 49:04
  know. I'll keep you in the loop.
• 49:12
  Just like like. I'm good.
• 49:17
  Yeah. My, I'm in.
• 49:18
  Yeah. I mean like I.
• 49:20
  I'll get back to you all day after I'll let you know what's
• 49:25
  if I have a kidney? That's such a jig story.
• 49:29
  That's pretty fucking amazing. But now like, he's like, he's a
• 49:33
  front bumper. Good.
• 49:34
  I need that front bumper. Hello, Jake.
• 49:37
  He's. A Jake, but like.
• 49:40
  No, I get it. And so that was the whole thing
• 49:44
  though, right? Like I I went out and I did that
• 49:46
  and I had this, you know, amazing weird transitional
• 49:50
  period that as soon as I came home and I realized like, oh,
• 49:55
  that's gone until it happens again.
• 49:57
  I just felt miserable. And I was like, why can't I make
• 49:59
  it happen for myself? You know, why can't I do that?
• 50:02
  And, and there was definitely so many times where, you know, Jake
• 50:05
  could even hit me up or even you had told me or Timmy is like,
• 50:08
  you could go and just do that. Yeah, go and play like you're,
• 50:11
  you're more than talented enough to play a cover set too.
• 50:15
  If you need to make money, like, why not do that?
• 50:17
  And I don't know, that's always been like the internal battle is
• 50:21
  like battling whether or not I want to be a genuine artist in
• 50:27
  my mind, which is like writing my own music.
• 50:29
  Or do I want to just hop on the trend for a day of like, And
• 50:33
  that's not to say that like Brad's on a trend 'cause he does
• 50:35
  his own thing with it. And, and I've learned that too.
• 50:37
  It's like, Oh no, it's just this is what I need to do to sustain
• 50:40
  for the thing that I want to do. And that that's, that was a hard
• 50:43
  build, but so my brain completely shut off.
• 50:46
  I never went back to work. I didn't get like fired, but I
• 50:48
  didn't quit. It was a whole fucking thing.
• 50:50
  And then I was out of a job for like 8 months.
• 50:53
  And then I was looking and I was applying every day for eight
• 50:56
  months. And it got to the point where I
• 50:58
  would talk to my stepdad or my grandfather or my dad or
• 51:02
  whoever, my mom, you know, there's everyone being like, I
• 51:07
  don't know what I'm doing wrong. You know, I have all these
• 51:09
  qualifications. And I think it's just the longer
• 51:11
  I was without a job, the less people wanted me.
• 51:15
  And luckily. I recently got in with a really
• 51:18
  good group of people that like they're so chill and it's such a
• 51:21
  laid back job. And, and I remember asking my
• 51:24
  boss, I was like, hey, do you mind if I like bring my guitar
• 51:27
  and like, can I jam when I'm waiting for customers to come
• 51:30
  in? And he's like, yeah, dude, do
• 51:31
  what you want. I was like, oh, OK.
• 51:33
  He's like, as long as you do your job out here, you know,
• 51:35
  like just do what you need to do.
• 51:37
  So it took a long time. It took so many months 1 to get
• 51:41
  over a breakup, get over losing stability within my life and and
• 51:46
  figuring all that, you know, shit out.
• 51:48
  So now I'm like on the come up hopefully, but I still have days
• 51:54
  where I struggle and I'm like, man, I just don't even know if
• 51:57
  it's worth it. But like I'll keep pushing
• 51:59
  through, you know, you've been lower.
• 52:01
  Than you are right now and lower's not better than where
• 52:03
  you are. So there's no other thing you
• 52:04
  could do but go up. But you have to want to go up.
• 52:07
  If you want to stay in misery, you're going to stay in misery.
• 52:09
  And, and that goes. Back to like you got to pull
• 52:11
  yourself up by. Your bootstraps you stupid Lib.
• 52:16
  Holy shit, that goes back to what I was saying, you know, of
• 52:20
  going out to shows, seeing, you know, Precious and you and
• 52:24
  whoever bands are playing. Stuff like that.
• 52:27
  Goes back to that whole thing, 'cause when I'm in that social
• 52:29
  mindset, like I don't feel as anxious and I want to play more
• 52:33
  and I'll want to do more. So like, I've been trying
• 52:36
  really, really fucking hard to. Make something.
• 52:41
  Of myself, whether it be doing this and I, I help out Goblin
• 52:44
  City now too with their like social media stuff 'cause that's
• 52:48
  what they've needed for a long time.
• 52:49
  Like me and Timmy will be like Bob.
• 52:53
  We love the band, but you need to post more.
• 52:55
  You need to be more socially active and they're just not that
• 52:58
  group of people. So I literally went to Bob and I
• 53:00
  was like, I will manage it for you if you just let me.
• 53:03
  It's your fault. That I've been tagging the band.
• 53:06
  Actually it's Bob's page. I don't know if the band
• 53:08
  actually has a page, but I've been tagging Bob because I made
• 53:11
  like 3 months worth of content where I was doing these videos
• 53:14
  and every video I'm wearing a Goblin City T-shirt.
• 53:16
  Oh, really? Yeah.
• 53:17
  Oh shit no, I just started. I just started.
• 53:20
  Last month, I just started last month.
• 53:22
  Yeah, it was. It was all.
• 53:23
  Last month, it was all last month, I was tagging, yeah, all
• 53:27
  over Instagram. I was tagging Bob.
• 53:28
  I didn't. I didn't.
• 53:29
  Get anything? No, there's a Goblin City page,
• 53:31
  though if you're tagging Bob then I don't know, but there's.
• 53:33
  Yeah, I was tagging Bob because I.
• 53:34
  Didn't know it was a goblin city so I'll I'll go back and re tag
• 53:37
  him and then yeah I'll I'll I'll.
• 53:39
  Re and then I'll re post. I think Bob liked them.
• 53:41
  He was like, cool. Like I was like, thanks Bob,
• 53:44
  dude. Yeah, and he doesn't like.
• 53:46
  So right now I just do that. I just manage that social media
• 53:50
  and make content for them and stuff like that.
• 53:52
  And and that's been helping my brain work and figure out
• 53:55
  what'll work for me, you know what I mean?
• 53:57
  So it's nice to see that actual like individual growth.
• 54:01
  And it sucks because you can't flood that market of social
• 54:06
  media. The the more you post, the less
• 54:08
  likely people will fucking see it.
• 54:10
  But the less you post, the less likely people will see it.
• 54:12
  So you have to be right in that zone from 3:00 to 6:00 PM of
• 54:15
  posting 3 posts and then throughout the day just on your
• 54:19
  story sharing that shit. And it's a it's such a different
• 54:22
  science too. And it depends on the content.
• 54:25
  So you with the wrestling thing could be a completely different
• 54:27
  fucking spectrum, but I've learned the way I post.
• 54:30
  Isn't working obviously 'cause I post every day, like 3 * a day,
• 54:33
  but it is what it is. It's it's just a.
• 54:36
  Timing thing it's it's the timing and my timing is.
• 54:39
  What I have available when I'm trying to do a 40 hour week job
• 54:42
  and I can't have my phone on. Well, I just learned yesterday.
• 54:44
  That you can schedule Instagram posts.
• 54:46
  I didn't even. 15 different social media things at once.
• 54:50
  That's true. You're doing something different
• 54:52
  than me. That's a different thing.
• 54:54
  You're just focusing on one. Platform I'm trying I'm casting
• 54:57
  my net to like everywhere that's fair I've.
• 54:59
  Been doing. It every day for fucking years,
• 55:03
  I know. But have you tried to just cut
• 55:06
  that out? Like just cut out like a
• 55:07
  platform? I did and then I'm.
• 55:09
  Just like I, I, I, I, I'm like, well, what if, why I, I get the
• 55:13
  Gary Vee, Why wouldn't you fucking take Instagram?
• 55:15
  It takes 2 fucking more seconds. You know what I mean?
• 55:17
  I'm like, all right, Gary Vee, I'll fucking post, you know what
• 55:19
  I mean? Like.
• 55:22
  Shit I want. To go to yard sales you want.
• 55:23
  To go to yard sales, I'm going to fucking Gary, Vee told me.
• 55:27
  That's so funny. Yeah.
• 55:29
  I love him. He's a great content creator and
• 55:30
  he, he does make sense. He but it's, it's, it's the
• 55:34
  whole thing. But yeah, so you, you went
• 55:38
  through, like you said, you me and you kind of went through the
• 55:40
  same shit around the same time and like kind of went through
• 55:42
  it. And even though we were both
• 55:44
  struggling, I felt like we, we were pretty good about keeping
• 55:47
  tabs on each other, which I do appreciate.
• 55:48
  I love, I love you to death. You are like another little
• 55:51
  brother. You and Precious are like my
• 55:52
  little brothers who are not my little brother.
• 55:54
  You're the reason that I met. Him like the way that I did,
• 55:58
  like in depth the way that I did, cause I've always known him
• 56:00
  for a while. I always.
• 56:01
  Like, you know how often that has been a thing for me for the
• 56:05
  past nine years with music, with wrestling, with just people in
• 56:08
  general of just 'cause I meet so many people and I'm like you and
• 56:11
  you would be cool together. You know what I mean?
• 56:14
  Like. It's so funny though, because.
• 56:16
  We have like a different background, but same origin
• 56:19
  story, I guess, is the way to put it.
• 56:22
  And I was just like, we were talking about that last night.
• 56:25
  I gave him a hug. First of all, Precious won the
• 56:27
  ladder match just to spoil that for anyone.
• 56:29
  And he fucking deserves it because he's been working a long
• 56:32
  time and very hard at at, you know, wrestling and doing his
• 56:36
  thing. But yeah, but now he's just
• 56:39
  going to hand it. Over to Jess Hawthorne.
• 56:40
  So he did it. He did it for somebody else.
• 56:44
  True, true. That's rare.
• 56:47
  But. Yeah, dude, he, we literally
• 56:51
  came to your house to watch a wrestling event.
• 56:55
  And then after that ended, me and him were just talking in
• 56:59
  your kitchen until 4:00 in the morning, and then he drove me
• 57:03
  home for me. Yeah, that's right.
• 57:07
  Yeah, holy fuck. We weren't even on a podcast.
• 57:09
  Episode together. We just came over because there
• 57:11
  was like a wrestling thing and there was like me and him and
• 57:13
  you and and like a couple of other people that I don't really
• 57:16
  remember but I Remember Me and Austin.
• 57:18
  Oh no, broke Kay fame. We talked for like so long in in
• 57:24
  your kitchen for no reason. Neither of us were just tired.
• 57:26
  We just were like, man, like I've seen you all around, but
• 57:29
  like we don't know each other. And then we like, you know, we
• 57:32
  were like, oh, trauma dump and venting and we've just always
• 57:36
  gotten along since then and we've kept tabs on each other.
• 57:39
  But like very like briefly, because we're both, we're both
• 57:42
  passionate about the thing that we're doing.
• 57:44
  And so last night I went out to show and I was like, hey, like,
• 57:48
  you know, I'm happy to see where you're at, you know, 'cause I
• 57:52
  was so shocked. When you walked in, I was doing
• 57:53
  the mean greet and I was like the fuck are you doing here?
• 57:57
  Like I said. As long as someone messages me
• 57:59
  and reminds me like he literally messaged me last night at 10:30,
• 58:03
  he's like, dude, are you coming tomorrow?
• 58:05
  What's your plan? Like, do you want to come with
• 58:07
  me and BP? And I was like, I think I'm just
• 58:10
  going to ride down on my own. And I was like, I hope he
• 58:12
  doesn't get the idea that I'm not actually going to if you
• 58:15
  would have went with. BP it would have been, you would
• 58:18
  have, you probably would have end up working and not watching
• 58:20
  the show because that's always what happens.
• 58:22
  Nate, Nate came to the shows of like, oh, I want to watch
• 58:25
  wrestling. And then they're like, can you
• 58:26
  help us with one thing? And now Nate is doing 45 jobs at
• 58:31
  PPW. He walked up to me at the end
• 58:35
  of. The night and he was like, I'm
• 58:36
  fucking exhausted. I go, they got ya.
• 58:38
  They fucking got ya. Like Nate, we need 50 for these
• 58:43
  get that poster, get it to that person, get it to sign it.
• 58:45
  Go help Tony backstage. Go grab the gear.
• 58:47
  Like yo, I would have. If I was Nate, I would have.
• 58:49
  Been like, that's going to be $75.
• 58:52
  You're gonna. You're gonna.
• 58:55
  Handshake that ain't no because if you're willing to help,
• 58:58
  they'll they need everything they can like you know what I
• 59:00
  mean? But he knows that we know that
• 59:03
  he's a good person, but it does suck because you want to help
• 59:05
  the industry, but then you kind of get to that thing.
• 59:07
  Like, I just want to watch the fucking show, you know what I
• 59:10
  mean? Like, yeah, thank you so much,
• 59:13
  Brandon, for the one month membership.
• 59:14
  Late on the video, but what does Billy exactly do?
• 59:17
  Just wondering. I don't want to sound rude or
• 59:18
  anything. I'm just wondering to look him
• 59:19
  up. So actually the intro and outro
• 59:21
  music to every single piece of content.
• 59:24
  I do hang out with a BJABJ podcast.
• 59:27
  Not cool in high school. Truth behind the only one that's
• 59:30
  not Billy is still a Billy family member but all of my
• 59:34
  intro outro music is is the converse kid is Billy here.
• 59:38
  I've known him for such a long time.
• 59:40
  His entire family is amazing musicians and yeah, just to kind
• 59:43
  of recap to get people on the same page.
• 59:45
  If you're listening to this later on the audio source or are
• 59:47
  back anywhere else. We are on Apple podcast Google
• 59:50
  podcast anywhere you find your podcast app Spotify Spotify is
• 59:53
  actually video and audio. But a five star review goes a
• 59:56
  long way. Thank you guys so much, but also
• 59:58
  go check out the links below to follow my guest, Billy Billy and
• 1:00:01
  the converse kid and and go support his music.
• 1:00:03
  He's also on Spotify and band camp.
• 1:00:05
  And I don't want to say I said it like that band camp, but all
• 1:00:09
  of you publishing. No, I don't get.
• 1:00:10
  Anything, I'm just a homie. I don't get it.
• 1:00:16
  Listen. If, if Billy, if I get listen,
• 1:00:19
  Billy knows. I hope he does that.
• 1:00:22
  If my shit pops off, his shit pops off.
• 1:00:25
  Like, we've kind of made this thing, like I've done it with a
• 1:00:29
  bunch of people. Like, I think I've earned that
• 1:00:30
  respect to people that they know that my goal to make for myself
• 1:00:34
  is to bring everybody with me. So if I make it, Billy's good.
• 1:00:37
  You know what I mean? I will cut the check.
• 1:00:39
  I wish I could have cut Billy from making all the intro music
• 1:00:42
  back in the day. Yeah, dude.
• 1:00:44
  And, and like I said before, my whole thing is to lift people up
• 1:00:47
  and we have the same goal, you know, so like that's, that's
• 1:00:50
  always been my thing is like, I just want to help out other
• 1:00:53
  people. And that sucks sometimes in the
• 1:00:55
  music industry because everyone's going to step on your
• 1:00:57
  head. But at least I know in my mind
• 1:01:00
  that every person that I've played with, because I'm a
• 1:01:02
  genuine human being and I give them my all.
• 1:01:05
  And I, you know, give them more than the time that is necessary
• 1:01:09
  to befriend them or whatever. And I make genuine connections.
• 1:01:15
  I know that like, I've literally had people from like bands that
• 1:01:18
  I've never seen play before that were friends with artists that I
• 1:01:21
  have played with before come up to me and be like, oh, you're
• 1:01:24
  the converse kid. I'm so excited to see you.
• 1:01:25
  This person talked about you. And I'm like, you're from like
• 1:01:28
  Oregon. You're from like, you know,
• 1:01:30
  Massachusetts. You're you're from all of it
• 1:01:32
  blows your mind, right? You're like, why?
• 1:01:35
  And and then then it. Makes me so happy.
• 1:01:37
  And I'm like, oh, that like warms my heart.
• 1:01:39
  Like tell them. And then I message them.
• 1:01:41
  I'm like, dude, I didn't know you knew this person.
• 1:01:43
  Like that makes me so happy. And then like I give the heads
• 1:01:46
  up to other people when I see them.
• 1:01:47
  Like I can't believe these two people are playing together.
• 1:01:49
  That's so quick. And then they're stoked to play
• 1:01:51
  together because they know who I am and they know I'm not gonna
• 1:01:54
  fucking be like, you know what I mean?
• 1:01:55
  Like, I wouldn't hang out with someone that was a piece of
• 1:01:58
  shit, you know? I had a moment.
• 1:02:00
  The other. Day my cousin Megan, I only see
• 1:02:02
  at one point in time I was only seeing her like twice a year,
• 1:02:06
  but I see her like 3 times in a month.
• 1:02:07
  But it was, which was awesome because I missed her, but she
• 1:02:10
  came up to me and she's like, yeah, I was, I was, I was
• 1:02:12
  hanging out with a friend that I met him and he's from like
• 1:02:15
  reading or Harrisburg or something.
• 1:02:16
  And he, I was talking about podcasts and stuff.
• 1:02:19
  And I said that my cousin's a podcaster and he's also in pro
• 1:02:22
  wrestling. And then she's like, he's like,
• 1:02:23
  who is he? And she's like, his name is
• 1:02:25
  Anthony. And he goes, he's ABJ.
• 1:02:26
  You're really the ABJ. I've never met or talked to this
• 1:02:29
  guy in my entire life. But she was like my cousin, like
• 1:02:33
  she's like, he was fucking starstruck over you guy.
• 1:02:36
  Like freak. I'm like, I'm like, who is it?
• 1:02:38
  And she told me, I was like, he's never reached out.
• 1:02:40
  He's never said a word. I he's not even commented on a
• 1:02:43
  video. But she was like, he was telling
• 1:02:45
  me every episode your interviews, what you do, he knew
• 1:02:48
  your whole Wikipedia page. So you don't know who you're
• 1:02:52
  touching as an artist. You don't know who's listening
• 1:02:55
  because not everyone's in the comments section.
• 1:02:56
  Not everyone's vocal about what they listen to or what they
• 1:02:59
  like, like they keep their they keep their media as private as
• 1:03:02
  they do their religion and their politics sometimes.
• 1:03:04
  And it's, and I'm not trying to be funny, but that's the truth.
• 1:03:06
  You know, not everyone in the chat or in the, the, the, the
• 1:03:10
  views are your, you look at your audio plays on Spotify.
• 1:03:13
  You couldn't tell who all thousands of those people are.
• 1:03:16
  You know what I mean? Like mine's a little tougher
• 1:03:17
  because I've I don't think I've ever broken 1000 on anything in
• 1:03:20
  my life. But it's just like you never and
• 1:03:24
  and just even that I'm like my most played audio thing.
• 1:03:27
  I was telling my discord the other day.
• 1:03:28
  They think I'm up like 1510 thousands of views per episode.
• 1:03:31
  I'm like, no, my highest I ever got ever is 190 plays, 130
• 1:03:35
  plays. I'm dude, I'm not getting good
• 1:03:38
  numbers anywhere. Like I'm Flo, I'm hanging on by
• 1:03:40
  a fucking thread, you know what I mean?
• 1:03:43
  But I'm I have that mentality just don't quit.
• 1:03:45
  But I think it's different. For music, shit like 'cause in
• 1:03:49
  music you could get, and this keeps happening to me for some
• 1:03:53
  reason. There's a, oh, the radio jingles
• 1:03:57
  thing. Dude, I tried, I tried to make
• 1:03:59
  music for a wrestler once and it didn't go as planned.
• 1:04:02
  I hope that dude's not mad at me, 'cause I never meant to make
• 1:04:04
  him mad. And I told I don't think you
• 1:04:06
  should give up on. That though I think you should
• 1:04:07
  make songs. Yeah, I think you should.
• 1:04:09
  I just. Think it's an aggressive area
• 1:04:12
  sometimes, you know, but let me mediate for you think I need.
• 1:04:16
  To get I need to. Get ripped first let me get let
• 1:04:18
  me get built up. You need like you need to do.
• 1:04:20
  Some push ups so you can make music for wrestlers.
• 1:04:21
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I need to be able to look the
• 1:04:24
  part before I I'm dude, I'm doing backstage interviews.
• 1:04:26
  And they're trying to fight me. Last night I almost got beat up
• 1:04:28
  backstage like three times. The one guy got my face.
• 1:04:31
  He was like, I told you, stop fucking talking.
• 1:04:33
  And I was like, I'm, I'm sorry. Yeah, yeah, I I watched
• 1:04:36
  Rembrandt, that's who. Almost.
• 1:04:37
  Beat me up. I almost got beat up by
• 1:04:38
  Rembrandt. He almost attacked me backstage.
• 1:04:40
  He took the microphone. Right into B PS chest.
• 1:04:43
  He was like trying to talk and it wasn't working.
• 1:04:44
  He's fucking mean. He's a mean guy.
• 1:04:45
  God damn, just seeing. What he was doing backstage,
• 1:04:47
  he's. He's going to be he's like, why
• 1:04:50
  don't I start with you? And I said, I'm just an
• 1:04:51
  interviewer, bro. You want to beat people up doing
• 1:04:53
  the ring. What do you do with me?
• 1:04:55
  What's that going to do for you? He's like, oh God.
• 1:04:57
  And then his guy had to pull him away.
• 1:04:59
  Careful backstage. It's Jams going to kill me
• 1:05:02
  because she wants Sammy but thinks that I'm the one booking
• 1:05:04
  them. I'm like, I'm not a Booker.
• 1:05:05
  Do you know how this works? I'm just the interviewer, dude.
• 1:05:09
  That's. So funny, but yeah, no, I would
• 1:05:11
  definitely. You know what?
• 1:05:12
  Don't make music for them. Fuck the wrestlers.
• 1:05:17
  Shit what was I saying right before that?
• 1:05:19
  I I got lost off track. You need to do push ups to.
• 1:05:21
  Make music for wrestlers. No, no, before that.
• 1:05:23
  Before that, I'm gone, it's gone.
• 1:05:26
  But anyway, yeah, I make music. Yeah, Oh, jingles.
• 1:05:31
  You're making jingles? Yeah, I've.
• 1:05:32
  I've done a couple of things here and there and, and I, I
• 1:05:38
  did, I worked like I produced with my grandfather his podcast.
• 1:05:43
  I did a lot of like production work on that.
• 1:05:45
  I did all the production work on that.
• 1:05:48
  But yeah, but don't say shit about Sammy Hunt.
• 1:05:50
  I don't even know. Sammy is amazing.
• 1:05:52
  She's a gem. I ain't nothing negative at all
• 1:05:55
  about Sammy. I didn't steal.
• 1:05:57
  Your hairstyle, I'm sorry, it was just a coincidence.
• 1:05:59
  There, there it is. Yeah, so I I actually do that.
• 1:06:03
  But I also released an album on my birthday this year, like a
• 1:06:05
  full length, so it was like 45 minutes of original material,
• 1:06:09
  which is like the longest I've ever been able to thing I've
• 1:06:13
  ever been able to release. This was like it is a whole
• 1:06:16
  birthday present to myself and I hope people listen to it, but I
• 1:06:20
  haven't. Since I've put it out, I
• 1:06:22
  haven't. That's what we were talking
• 1:06:23
  about, The place thing, that's where it was.
• 1:06:25
  Thank you. We circled back somehow.
• 1:06:28
  It's easy as a musician to get lumped into random playlists
• 1:06:35
  because there's a lot of AI built playlists out there, which
• 1:06:38
  is like AI sucks, but sometimes it's beneficial when it's used
• 1:06:41
  as a fucking tool. Yeah, well, that whole.
• 1:06:42
  Tool, you said, well, who listens to this and who listens
• 1:06:45
  to this? And what do people listen in the
• 1:06:46
  middle? That's AI, yeah.
• 1:06:49
  You know what I mean? Demographic it's.
• 1:06:50
  Built. It's not built by a person going
• 1:06:52
  through and being like, oh, this person's with this, you know
• 1:06:55
  what I mean? Like it's yeah.
• 1:06:57
  The band that goes well with Madden is Dashboard Confession.
• 1:07:03
  That's so funny, thank you. That's actually the third time
• 1:07:08
  I've heard someone equate me to Dashboard Confessional.
• 1:07:11
  I have yet to actually try to cover one of their songs, but
• 1:07:16
  thank you for the $5. Super chat, appreciate it.
• 1:07:18
  I'm going to drop in the in the link for people now if you're
• 1:07:20
  watching on YouTube, Twitch or Facebook and you want to click
• 1:07:24
  now, the link I'm dropping right now into the chat is the link.
• 1:07:27
  If you would like to go follow Billy on Spotify currently right
• 1:07:30
  now sitting at 861 monthly listeners and which is that's
• 1:07:35
  super, that's super dope. And the newest album out there
• 1:07:37
  is is hangover weekend X sugar coated.
• 1:07:40
  Oh, really? That's the top one right now.
• 1:07:43
  That's the latest. Release OH.
• 1:07:45
  That's weird. I wonder why?
• 1:07:46
  It's doing that I it's not the rate I didn't update, that's not
• 1:07:49
  the latest. One I mean it is.
• 1:07:51
  It's like a track off the album. It should be like the whole
• 1:07:54
  album, but for some reason it's 333 Majestic.
• 1:07:56
  Sessions. Is that the newest album?
• 1:08:00
  No, no. It's it's.
• 1:08:02
  Hold on to nothing. Is the is the title of the album
• 1:08:05
  which Hangover Weekend is on that album?
• 1:08:09
  So I think it's weird that it's just showing up as the single
• 1:08:12
  and not the whole fucking I don't even see.
• 1:08:14
  Hold on to nothing on the on the album list.
• 1:08:17
  On the album it's all singles. Yeah.
• 1:08:19
  Single single E Wait EP The last EP I'm seeing here.
• 1:08:24
  Is I'm just trying to help. You out is growth on Spotify Oh
• 1:08:29
  yeah, because it's an. Album.
• 1:08:30
  Why is it? Oh wait, hold on, let.
• 1:08:32
  Me let me albums, it says nothing to hold on to.
• 1:08:35
  And the teen angst and teen angst.
• 1:08:38
  Yeah, yeah, there's only two albums.
• 1:08:39
  On Spotify, yeah. Wait, the new ones hold?
• 1:08:42
  On to nothing. Oh yeah, I'm you're holding like
• 1:08:44
  a whiteboard. Yeah, it's.
• 1:08:46
  Actually, it's a vinyl record and I just washed out.
• 1:08:51
  Photoshopped it out. Entirely so it's like I'm
• 1:08:54
  holding on to nothing. Oh, there's nothing here.
• 1:08:57
  I see what you're doing there. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:08:59
  I thought maybe it was like a really bright flash and it just
• 1:09:02
  like just no. That would have made it way.
• 1:09:04
  Easier. That would have made it easier.
• 1:09:08
  That would have been the smart thing to do.
• 1:09:09
  Yeah. No, that's the only.
• 1:09:11
  Artwork that I've ever done for myself in that in that manner.
• 1:09:15
  But yeah, don't hate this take. But I heard, I heard Billy gave
• 1:09:19
  me hotel book, Brooks vibes hotel book.
• 1:09:21
  I don't know. I don't know.
• 1:09:22
  Who it is? I never listened to them much.
• 1:09:25
  I know who that they're like a band and stuff.
• 1:09:26
  I know that obviously they're a band, but yeah, yeah, that's
• 1:09:30
  cool. Yeah.
• 1:09:30
  I aim for the, you know, alternative side of things.
• 1:09:35
  I definitely have some heavier songs.
• 1:09:37
  I actually took an EP down that had a lot of my heavy like metal
• 1:09:43
  riffs and stuff like that. I took it down because the
• 1:09:45
  artist for the album artwork is no longer in my life and I don't
• 1:09:49
  want to associate with them. So I may have put up those older
• 1:09:52
  songs at some point with a new name and and figure that all out
• 1:09:57
  for sure. Fuck em.
• 1:10:00
  Yeah, I don't even know who it is.
• 1:10:02
  I'm I'm just talking shit. So what?
• 1:10:04
  What has inspired or motivated you to keep pushing forward?
• 1:10:10
  Definitely like my. Brother, you know, family is
• 1:10:14
  most important to me, but he's young and so I'm like, I, I feel
• 1:10:18
  like, you know, not that my parents are old or anything and
• 1:10:21
  got hoping that nothing happens to them.
• 1:10:24
  But like if I ever had to take care of my brother for anyway, I
• 1:10:27
  would be like, I would want to be successful in some aspect
• 1:10:31
  that doesn't, you know, promote throwing away your dreams and
• 1:10:34
  slaving away to some stupid corporation that doesn't care
• 1:10:37
  about you. Like I would like to do that
• 1:10:42
  hopefully, but who knows it might not happen for sure.
• 1:10:47
  You actually had a family. Member who motivated me and it's
• 1:10:50
  crazy because I pull from so many people that I'm not even in
• 1:10:52
  the same industry as but just watching your friends like
• 1:10:55
  yourself and everybody else do cool things and chase and get
• 1:10:58
  those small milestones or small victories is awesome.
• 1:11:01
  But like Eddie going to Birmingham and and doing the
• 1:11:04
  Aussie show, like I was like, bro, like that is the path like
• 1:11:09
  just be cool. Do what you got to do.
• 1:11:11
  Fucking be a good hang like like one of the best guitars I've
• 1:11:15
  ever played in my life. And he's not even in like a band
• 1:11:17
  that anyone can listen to, but he's setting up guitars for the
• 1:11:20
  best bands that you're you love. You know what I mean?
• 1:11:22
  Like and he's probably making as much money, if not more than the
• 1:11:25
  band itself on stage. You know what I mean?
• 1:11:27
  Like he's doing he's doing well doing it.
• 1:11:29
  No, for real, it's. Crazy the fact that he got to.
• 1:11:31
  Send off a iconic human being like that show is a is is just
• 1:11:37
  like you had to be there for that moment.
• 1:11:40
  Like that's a Live Aid that if you're if you weren't there,
• 1:11:42
  that's that is the greatest moment in the past 30 years of
• 1:11:47
  music or 20 years of music that anyone can talk about.
• 1:11:50
  And your cousin got to not just be there, but like help set it
• 1:11:55
  up and be a part of the production to make it as good as
• 1:11:58
  it was. And that's so cool.
• 1:12:00
  He, he was. Like, yeah, it was awesome.
• 1:12:01
  It was definitely the most fucking stressful 40 minutes of
• 1:12:04
  my life, I think was the quote that he gave to me.
• 1:12:08
  It was like it was the most. Stressful 40 minutes of of of my
• 1:12:12
  life because he like just helped with like the Super group with
• 1:12:16
  Frank Bello and stuff like that. But I don't want to be in a.
• 1:12:20
  Youngblood video. That's you.
• 1:12:22
  That's you young boy was like right behind him and I'm like
• 1:12:24
  what the hell, this is weird. So funny.
• 1:12:28
  So funny to me. Yeah, I'm so proud of.
• 1:12:31
  Him but that's that's so like that's.
• 1:12:33
  That's who I look up to, right? And then he's like, when he's
• 1:12:36
  home or, you know, the few times that we've been able to have
• 1:12:39
  conversations about music stuff and he's like telling me to keep
• 1:12:43
  doing what I'm doing because I've done more than he has.
• 1:12:46
  You know what I mean? So no, not chemicals.
• 1:12:51
  It's the converse, kid. The Converse.
• 1:12:55
  Kid. All together, no spaces.
• 1:12:57
  Yeah, no spaces. It's the most complicated thing.
• 1:13:00
  But anyway, you know, I look up to him and he's doing all this
• 1:13:04
  crazy shit and then he's coming home and he's being like, dude,
• 1:13:06
  you've achieved more than me. I'm like, what the fuck are you
• 1:13:08
  talking about? And he's like, look at all the
• 1:13:09
  music you've put outlook at all the shows you've played and the
• 1:13:12
  venues and the places. Like you did all this stuff and
• 1:13:15
  you know, and I'm like, wow, I guess like it depends on what
• 1:13:19
  you view as like your goals and stuff like that.
• 1:13:21
  And that that really put into perspective.
• 1:13:23
  Now that conversation was a long time ago prior to that, but
• 1:13:26
  still the fact that like my family is like proud of me and
• 1:13:30
  they're all doing their own. You got, you got to play.
• 1:13:32
  Warm tour. Yeah, I got to.
• 1:13:34
  Play a warm tour event and like, it's been amazing.
• 1:13:38
  It's been really cool, so. We'll kind of lean into that.
• 1:13:41
  What are some moments or accomplishments for yourself
• 1:13:43
  that you are proud of since the last time we thought we just
• 1:13:45
  said we just said Warped Tour. Definitely.
• 1:13:47
  Warped Tour, definitely playing Chain Reaction in California,
• 1:13:53
  that was a venue I've always wanted to be at with handguns
• 1:13:56
  was super sick. I sold my first ever shirt like
• 1:14:00
  on the road in Colorado, which was neat.
• 1:14:03
  It's like, you know what I mean? Like my first shirt that wasn't
• 1:14:07
  like a family member or friend, you know, I went out and and the
• 1:14:10
  furthest from home I could possibly be that isn't just the
• 1:14:14
  coast. I sold a shirt.
• 1:14:17
  How? How?
• 1:14:17
  Crazy is it watching someone walk around with your logo or
• 1:14:21
  your name on your on their body? Insane.
• 1:14:23
  I still I'm not used to it. Like it gets me a little
• 1:14:26
  emotional when I say like, I go to a wrestling show and someone
• 1:14:29
  walks in with a with a shirt and I'm just like.
• 1:14:33
  Are you sure? Thank you I.
• 1:14:34
  Appreciate that so much that off your back.
• 1:14:40
  Yeah. Now I got to like work hard
• 1:14:42
  because I don't want their shirt.
• 1:14:43
  Like they play worked hard for their money and I'm going to
• 1:14:45
  quit in two weeks. And their shirt like, yeah, I
• 1:14:48
  bought this fucking guy's shirt and he quit already.
• 1:14:50
  Like, you know what I mean? Like, fuck that guy.
• 1:14:53
  Yeah, that. Like.
• 1:14:54
  That's a huge accomplishment for me for sure.
• 1:14:56
  Just being able to sell merch I guess.
• 1:14:59
  And also just having people come out and be like oh I came here
• 1:15:02
  to see you play and then but like I'm stoked that these
• 1:15:06
  people are playing too or whatever, you know, like just
• 1:15:08
  hearing stuff like that or like after shows sometimes people
• 1:15:13
  will come up to me and it's usually the same 3 songs or so.
• 1:15:18
  They'll be like, I really, you're good.
• 1:15:24
  Just because he I didn't know there was another Converse kid.
• 1:15:28
  So now every time I go to your show, I'm going to ask you to
• 1:15:30
  play Chemicals God. Damn, no, I've been.
• 1:15:35
  Listening to your stuff, man. I love fucking chemicals.
• 1:15:38
  You're like fuck the converse, kid.
• 1:15:41
  Merch is super rad. Is it designed it?
• 1:15:44
  Yeah. You want to see it?
• 1:15:45
  Would you like to see a shirt? Yeah, please.
• 1:15:47
  Y'all wanna? Buy a shirt. 25 bucks I'll buy
• 1:15:50
  I'll. Buy a shirt. 25 bucks.
• 1:15:51
  Fucking do you have two X for the fat boys?
• 1:15:59
  Oh shit, I like. It.
• 1:16:02
  I do need to get. Different colors though 'cause I
• 1:16:05
  only have the black shirt right now and junk punk was like, I
• 1:16:08
  don't wear black 'cause I get dog hair and cat hair and stuff
• 1:16:11
  like that. And I was like, you're so right,
• 1:16:12
  dude. I never thought about that.
• 1:16:14
  So anything that's not black or white I need to get like like a
• 1:16:18
  neon green would be rad. You know, mind you, would not
• 1:16:20
  just. Reverse.
• 1:16:21
  The colors make up a black and pink and then a pink and black.
• 1:16:26
  OK, I see. So you're saying?
• 1:16:28
  Like salmon black on salmon? No the same color.
• 1:16:32
  Pink that's that's on the logo. Make that the shirt color and
• 1:16:36
  then make the logo black. I would have to find a.
• 1:16:38
  Shirt that specifically that. That's a little bit harder.
• 1:16:43
  That's a little bit harder. Yeah, a cutie logo.
• 1:16:46
  Too for the girls. Yeah, that is a cutie.
• 1:16:50
  Logo. It's easy to embroidery and shit
• 1:16:52
  too. Juicy booty.
• 1:16:53
  Shorts, but it just has the converse kid on the back of
• 1:16:56
  them, no? I'm kidding.
• 1:16:57
  I'm kidding. I.
• 1:16:58
  Don't want that. I kind of.
• 1:17:00
  Wish saw that at a show I. Would quit.
• 1:17:03
  I kind of wish more. People wore masks, you know.
• 1:17:04
  How sick would it be to have I heart ABJ like masks on their
• 1:17:08
  face? Is it open?
• 1:17:10
  Is it? Like a zipper on it.
• 1:17:12
  Totally shit. But yeah.
• 1:17:14
  One of the. One of the biggest
• 1:17:16
  accomplishments, I guess for me is that like after playing a
• 1:17:19
  show, some people come up to me, they won't buy much or they
• 1:17:23
  will. I have stickers too.
• 1:17:26
  So sometimes they'll buy a sticker and they'll be like,
• 1:17:30
  Hey, I just want to say like I really connected with that song
• 1:17:32
  333 that that song is like insane.
• 1:17:35
  Like I, I love it. I don't know what it is, but
• 1:17:38
  that it made me feel something and that means a lot to me.
• 1:17:41
  So like songs like that or like Daydream Valentine or to her to
• 1:17:45
  hear where people are like, oh, it's just, it's catchy and it
• 1:17:48
  gets stuck in my head, but it's not like annoying or anything.
• 1:17:51
  And I, I love when the one I'm like, I could hear you singing
• 1:17:54
  it or like anyone that's like new like starts singing it and
• 1:17:57
  stuff like that. That stuff's really fun to me,
• 1:18:00
  so. I I was singing along with you
• 1:18:02
  at the bar. Then you stop playing it.
• 1:18:04
  I stopped singing it and then it was just me screaming in the
• 1:18:06
  bar. That's really funny.
• 1:18:09
  Yeah, holy shit, yeah, I love the.
• 1:18:12
  Engine Valentine. I love that song so much.
• 1:18:15
  I I. Like it too.
• 1:18:16
  I think it's really that's your free bird for me.
• 1:18:17
  If I don't hear that song, I'm fucking I'm going home.
• 1:18:20
  I like a kid again too, to be a kid again.
• 1:18:23
  I haven't played that in a long time live because it's just,
• 1:18:27
  it's, it's very, it's a lot. It's exhausting for me because
• 1:18:30
  it's so like real and I was so young when I wrote it and I was
• 1:18:34
  like, I think that's why I ended.
• 1:18:36
  Up being a kid again. I think that's why I.
• 1:18:37
  Like that song is because like I, I just, I'm not going to say
• 1:18:42
  I was with you every moment of your existence, but like I was,
• 1:18:46
  I was with you and your friend your first fucking show.
• 1:18:49
  You know what I mean? Like the first time you played a
• 1:18:50
  coffee shop and then going and playing Goodfellas and then to
• 1:18:53
  where we are now. And just like watching you go
• 1:18:55
  through everything. That's crazy.
• 1:18:57
  Yeah. And watching you go through life
• 1:18:59
  and then like hearing your seeing what you went through in
• 1:19:02
  your life and then seeing how you translate it into your music
• 1:19:05
  and then watching you just grow as a musician and, and, and
• 1:19:07
  getting your confidence because the, that's the biggest thing.
• 1:19:10
  Like I like people would like, I, I just talking to Tim about
• 1:19:13
  it. The last time we performed where
• 1:19:14
  you guys performed together at at pill guru.
• 1:19:16
  Not the one, the last one I was at when it was like ran by
• 1:19:19
  somebody else, but I just remember being like, man, he's a
• 1:19:22
  completely different person. He was a year ago, even a year
• 1:19:24
  after that, like I like from where you come to where you are
• 1:19:28
  now, like you're just you're, you're, you're, you're figuring
• 1:19:30
  it out. You can see it.
• 1:19:31
  Everything started to click for you of how you got to do it.
• 1:19:34
  You may not have the motivation you want, but like when you're
• 1:19:36
  up there, you, you do appear as like you're confident and you
• 1:19:40
  have a stage presence and you know what to say and you had to
• 1:19:42
  be a little entertaining and like you're, you're good at what
• 1:19:44
  you do. Thank you.
• 1:19:45
  I. Appreciate that that means a lot
• 1:19:47
  to me too, especially you saying how you know the life translates
• 1:19:51
  through the songs and stuff like that.
• 1:19:54
  Because I think that's a big thing for me is like, I'm like
• 1:19:56
  who's actually listening to my music and knows what I'm going
• 1:19:59
  with because people be like, you know what's going on and I'm
• 1:20:02
  like, have you listened to the songs?
• 1:20:04
  I mean there's a lot, there's a lot going on there.
• 1:20:07
  I mean my. Thing is I was I don't have
• 1:20:09
  music. I have podcasts that no one
• 1:20:10
  listens to. And then I make a a Facebook
• 1:20:12
  post and then everyone's like yeah bro your fucking your
• 1:20:15
  Facebook posts are bumming me the fuck out.
• 1:20:17
  I just don't want to see it no more.
• 1:20:18
  And I'm like, that's the only way I can express myself.
• 1:20:21
  Mother fucker. Like, like, like goes like a
• 1:20:24
  like fucking. Oh, I hate that.
• 1:20:25
  Like if you're judging me based on it and you're not asking if
• 1:20:28
  I'm good or I'm not asking you to ask, but just, like, if your
• 1:20:31
  first reaction is I'm annoyed by this, then you're probably not
• 1:20:34
  my person. Yeah.
• 1:20:36
  No, 100% I totally get that. I think for me, like it is a
• 1:20:41
  different format, right? Because you can only do so much
• 1:20:44
  as a, as a commentator or presenter or interviewer to like
• 1:20:49
  put yourself out there, right? So it's like.
• 1:20:53
  Do you have to be able? To express that too, without
• 1:20:55
  pushing your point of view on the person that you're talking
• 1:20:58
  to. You know what I mean?
• 1:20:59
  Like without being like, oh, you should do this or you should
• 1:21:02
  think this or blah, blah, blah, whatever.
• 1:21:03
  You know, put, put out there how you feel.
• 1:21:07
  It's hard, but it's like, like you said for me, like it took so
• 1:21:12
  much time to get that confidence and to get the like, I don't
• 1:21:17
  know, understanding of the way that I want things to come out
• 1:21:21
  and, and also seeing within people what, what is reflective
• 1:21:25
  in a good way, you know, what is positive.
• 1:21:28
  Yeah. I think you're from an outside
• 1:21:30
  perspective, I think your, your, your three key points are are
• 1:21:33
  for you. For you is, I think your first
• 1:21:36
  tour with handguns when you were out there with cheese foot.
• 1:21:39
  We'll just leave it at that. You know what you did on that
• 1:21:41
  tour? You know the debauchery?
• 1:21:43
  No, but you came home from that a different person.
• 1:21:47
  You came home from that tour a different musician at a
• 1:21:51
  different. Mind state, yeah, it changed a
• 1:21:53
  lot for you. Yeah, that was.
• 1:21:55
  That you were no longer in your parents house.
• 1:21:59
  You were no longer at. You weren't the the cousin of
• 1:22:02
  insert Collins here. You went out on tour with a
• 1:22:05
  different band and found yourself, you know what I mean?
• 1:22:08
  And that was a huge like that changed for me.
• 1:22:10
  And then your breakup, your breakup changed you and then
• 1:22:14
  your post breakup and finding your new your new partner.
• 1:22:16
  I almost said friend, that was horrible, your new partner, But
• 1:22:19
  like those three key elements for you have really took you on
• 1:22:23
  that roller coaster. You know what I mean?
• 1:22:24
  And I and watching you grow and and growing into this.
• 1:22:26
  It's just been, it's been wonderful, man.
• 1:22:29
  It's it's. Exhausting.
• 1:22:30
  And it's like it's only been seven years, six years since
• 1:22:36
  like the actual beginning of it all.
• 1:22:38
  Seven years. We start her on the same time.
• 1:22:40
  But yeah, it's. It's we literally start her on
• 1:22:43
  the same. Time.
• 1:22:43
  Yeah, that's crazy. What are what are some?
• 1:22:47
  I know you said this new show coming up as a huge goal for
• 1:22:49
  you, but what are some? And then we talked about dream
• 1:22:50
  collaborations, but what are some new goals or things you
• 1:22:53
  have set for yourself that you'd like to do in the near future?
• 1:22:57
  Definitely. Focus on getting a full band.
• 1:22:59
  I I really want other people to to write off of and, and
• 1:23:05
  collaborate with and, and play with, especially in a live
• 1:23:08
  setting. I think there's a lot of my
• 1:23:10
  songs that. If I.
• 1:23:13
  Were to have a full band, I think it would just bump a lot
• 1:23:16
  better, you know what I mean? I think everything's great but
• 1:23:22
  your intro music fucking sucks. Whoever wrote that should
• 1:23:25
  swallow a mic. Holy shit man man.
• 1:23:28
  And your taste in? Your, your taste in podcast is
• 1:23:31
  interesting, as I might say myself.
• 1:23:36
  No, but yeah, I think just focusing on getting an actual
• 1:23:40
  band set up, definitely dialing in my calendar and taking it a
• 1:23:45
  little bit more professionally and setting those boundaries for
• 1:23:49
  myself to be like, all right, I'm playing this, this and this
• 1:23:52
  date. I want to not play these
• 1:23:54
  specific dates and just kind of slowly close in and and make
• 1:24:00
  fine points as far as that goes. So, so you've.
• 1:24:03
  Been struggling from we know you've been struggling to even
• 1:24:05
  try to collaborate or get to do things with other people,
• 1:24:08
  especially in a local scene. You, I think you're finding
• 1:24:11
  yourself and creating your brand as this Converse kid.
• 1:24:15
  Like you want to make a. Band you want to, you want to
• 1:24:17
  try to go through. I think that's a nightmare
• 1:24:19
  scenario for you. Like you have to collaborate
• 1:24:22
  with your times, with everybody else.
• 1:24:24
  I think you're doing so well with your own solo band, your
• 1:24:27
  own solo thing, everything online.
• 1:24:29
  Though when people go to listen to my music, you know what I
• 1:24:31
  mean? Like, they're like, oh, this is
• 1:24:33
  so different than the live shows.
• 1:24:36
  And you can say so yourself. You can say so, yeah.
• 1:24:38
  You know, I mean, you're performing.
• 1:24:40
  You're you're writing everything.
• 1:24:41
  Yeah, yeah. And so you.
• 1:24:42
  You come out and you're like, wow, I just like this better.
• 1:24:45
  And I, I usually could just, you know, write and record the
• 1:24:48
  acoustic versions of all those songs, but it's so much harder.
• 1:24:50
  It's different to translate that feeling to a recording for me, I
• 1:24:55
  guess. So I think my, I think that's my
• 1:24:58
  next goal is just to record a live album and then see where,
• 1:25:01
  see where that goes for sure. That that is, that's it too.
• 1:25:05
  But no, I, I. Honestly, I I think you're the
• 1:25:08
  Aussie route. Like you are the Converse kid
• 1:25:11
  and if people join your band, they're joining in the playing
• 1:25:13
  the music that you created as the converse kid.
• 1:25:16
  Like, and I know that's going to be impossible to find right now
• 1:25:19
  is a ban, but that's I think that should like fuck what I
• 1:25:22
  think I'm just saying, but that's my opinion.
• 1:25:24
  Like that. That's the route you already
• 1:25:26
  have established yourself as this converse kid to a certain
• 1:25:29
  degree that I think trying to go and and rebranding with a new
• 1:25:32
  band and trying to like I I think what I think your drive
• 1:25:36
  and passion is it it sucks. Because I did like for the
• 1:25:39
  longest time when I was like, I really like this name.
• 1:25:41
  But now, like lately I've just been like, I, I like, I need a
• 1:25:44
  change. Like I feel like it's not doing
• 1:25:46
  anything. But I can see it, you know, I
• 1:25:48
  could see clearly like people like know who I am or whatever.
• 1:25:52
  Would you ever just go by Billy? Billy, Trey.
• 1:25:56
  Probably, I don't think it's AI think it's a good.
• 1:25:57
  Name I think I think Billy Trey is a good name.
• 1:25:59
  I just don't think it. Reflects, I guess, the way that
• 1:26:02
  I write as an artist, but I guess it doesn't fucking matter.
• 1:26:04
  Like everyone's just using their name at this point, you know?
• 1:26:07
  Yeah. A name is just.
• 1:26:09
  A name, but my grandfather brought that up.
• 1:26:11
  He's like, everyone knows the converse kid, but do they know
• 1:26:13
  that you're the converse kid? I'm like, I think so, because
• 1:26:16
  every time I'm, you know, out somewhere, they that's what they
• 1:26:18
  call me. If they don't, are you?
• 1:26:20
  Are you? Are you?
• 1:26:20
  Pee Wee Herman or you? You know what I mean?
• 1:26:22
  Like, are you Pee Wee Herman or you?
• 1:26:23
  Paul Rubens, they're like, I can be any, yeah.
• 1:26:27
  Absolutely. Yeah, well, I mean, Pee Wee
• 1:26:29
  Herman has a star in the Hall of Fame.
• 1:26:31
  Paul Ruben doesn't. It definitely I.
• 1:26:34
  Agree like changing your name yeah it it could definitely
• 1:26:37
  hinder you for sure and so now that I I think that I've built
• 1:26:40
  it up, I understand you know, this is what I have to stick
• 1:26:44
  with and it sucks you know, some of my favorite bands are like,
• 1:26:48
  oh, I I wish we never had this name but then like they're the
• 1:26:51
  biggest fucking bands you've ever like seen or whatever you
• 1:26:54
  know I'm sure Metallica stuff the only time you're.
• 1:26:56
  Gonna have to change your name is when you get that C&C.
• 1:27:00
  Yep, and. That would be CNVRSE.
• 1:27:04
  Yeah, and that's when. You change it, but honestly like
• 1:27:06
  what you have now keep. You know what I mean?
• 1:27:10
  Fuck, maybe even Converse kid likes what Converse likes what
• 1:27:12
  you're fucking doing. You know what I mean?
• 1:27:13
  You don't you don't know where that's going to take you No, I
• 1:27:15
  listen to that too. When?
• 1:27:17
  We did. We were on tour with Handguns.
• 1:27:21
  We did the podcast with Mike Carrera from MXPX, which is like
• 1:27:25
  a well established punk band that like brought.
• 1:27:30
  A lot of influence. To so many bands out there these
• 1:27:32
  days. And I told him like what I went
• 1:27:36
  by and stuff like that. He's like Converse.
• 1:27:38
  That's so sick. I remember playing basketball
• 1:27:40
  and I had these Chuck Taylors and stuff like that.
• 1:27:42
  And like, it was just really cool.
• 1:27:45
  Like, and I'm like, I know they'll remember that.
• 1:27:47
  And a couple years ago, Smoking Popes, one of my biggest
• 1:27:52
  influences, I think it was last year, maybe two years, they put
• 1:27:55
  out a new song called Madison. I covered that song and I went
• 1:28:00
  to see them in Philly. And then after the show, I
• 1:28:03
  waited at the merch table and I was talking to the lead singer
• 1:28:05
  who writes it, writes all their music and lyrics.
• 1:28:09
  I don't know if he does all the music, but he writes the lyrics
• 1:28:11
  and stuff like that. And he's like the front man.
• 1:28:14
  I went up to him and like, hey, Josh.
• 1:28:15
  I just want to say I really, this was my first time seeing
• 1:28:18
  you guys and I've been a fan for so long and I love the new
• 1:28:22
  music. It feels nostalgic, but it also
• 1:28:23
  feels like new. And it's like this interesting,
• 1:28:26
  like blend of everything that I've liked about your sound over
• 1:28:29
  the years. And he was like, oh, that's
• 1:28:31
  thank you so much. I was like, yeah, it's so good.
• 1:28:33
  I did a cover of it. I did a cover of the song and he
• 1:28:36
  was like, you're the converse kid.
• 1:28:38
  He was like, hold on, wait a minute.
• 1:28:40
  And he went back to his green room, got his phone.
• 1:28:42
  He's like, can I get a picture with you?
• 1:28:44
  And like took a picture with me and put it on his Instagram
• 1:28:47
  saying that he met me and it's still up there on his page and
• 1:28:51
  stuff like that. And that's like, so dude, it's
• 1:28:54
  like and then. Me and em.
• 1:28:57
  Went to see them when they played in Philly again this past
• 1:29:01
  year and he looked at me and he's like, I know you, you're
• 1:29:05
  the converse kid. And I was like, this is crazy.
• 1:29:07
  Like my favorite artist, like remembers me and shit, Lily says
• 1:29:11
  You could do a. Tom Petty and a Tom Petty and a
• 1:29:13
  heartbreaker type thing whereas like the converse kid but in the
• 1:29:15
  band has their own side name generates is crazy the.
• 1:29:18
  Kicks. That's I think that.
• 1:29:21
  I think that's the move. I think that could be a really
• 1:29:23
  good idea. I mean, look at Ghost.
• 1:29:26
  Ghost is a band that's one guy's essentially the driving force
• 1:29:29
  and everyone plays around him. Ozzy's been that youngblood.
• 1:29:31
  Like he has a band behind him, but people realize, hey, this
• 1:29:33
  guy has worked his ass off to build this brand.
• 1:29:36
  It's not all like if maybe that's the move is like you find
• 1:29:39
  musicians who are more dedicated to the the music aspect than it
• 1:29:43
  is having their name there. You know what I mean?
• 1:29:46
  Yeah, for sure. And.
• 1:29:47
  There's definitely people out there like that that are like, I
• 1:29:49
  don't want. There's a really good saxophone.
• 1:29:50
  Player that would probably have no problem being part of the
• 1:29:52
  Converse kid band. Like I wish that he played.
• 1:29:56
  Drums though, that's like, honestly, if one person could
• 1:29:59
  just play the drums for me. I mean, and people are like, why
• 1:30:02
  don't you ask your mom and stuff like that?
• 1:30:03
  And it's not that it's like a weird thing.
• 1:30:05
  It's just that she's busy. She has a life.
• 1:30:06
  She has. Could you imagine if?
• 1:30:08
  Fucking Harry, like that asshole had to go out and get popular
• 1:30:11
  and famous. Like he would have been a good
• 1:30:13
  person learning drums to fucking throw in there.
• 1:30:16
  That's. Fucking funny.
• 1:30:17
  Now he has his own. Thing going on, he has his own
• 1:30:19
  thing going. On and he has his own thing
• 1:30:20
  going on like man you guys are so successful and then they're
• 1:30:23
  like dude we don't message you because we think you're just
• 1:30:25
  busy yeah I'm. Like why?
• 1:30:28
  Why would I be busy? You're the ones out there doing
• 1:30:30
  shit. But I mean, that's true though.
• 1:30:32
  It's like I'm always posting about something.
• 1:30:34
  I'm always playing a show or I'm always writing and recording.
• 1:30:38
  So it's like I just, I don't know so any.
• 1:30:42
  Any new hobbies or interests that you have picked up since
• 1:30:44
  then? Any.
• 1:30:45
  Are you watching any movies? Playing any video games?
• 1:30:47
  Anything you're that's out there right now, you're currently
• 1:30:48
  into. I've really been into watching a
• 1:30:53
  lot of videos based on VFX work lately in film and CGI and stuff
• 1:30:59
  like that. I briefly got back into coding
• 1:31:02
  games. Me and my cousin Ben were kind
• 1:31:06
  of going back and forth about making AVR game, which I don't
• 1:31:09
  want to go into details with because it's a pretty good idea.
• 1:31:13
  But I did that for a little bit and was trying to learn coding
• 1:31:16
  again and was just kind of just small stuff that I never really
• 1:31:21
  took off the ground with. But streaming again, I've been
• 1:31:26
  getting back into doing live streams, playing music and and
• 1:31:30
  also games and just hanging out. Is there any new artists?
• 1:31:34
  Or musicians you're into right now that you're like a fan of
• 1:31:37
  Dude One. 100% so many so many. Palomino is a big one for me.
• 1:31:43
  Obviously always Timmy, always like yell at God, all the people
• 1:31:48
  that have ever put me onto a show like Justin, who I'll be
• 1:31:52
  playing with any mainstream. Stuff that you're in has been
• 1:31:56
  really good for. Me.
• 1:31:58
  I like. Their newest release, I got to
• 1:32:01
  meet them and they were pretty chill.
• 1:32:03
  I'll just say that. Not that I had a negative
• 1:32:07
  experience with any of them, they were all awesome.
• 1:32:10
  Maybe maybe one of them was a little awkward, but other than
• 1:32:13
  that, the the band's great. I would love to play open up for
• 1:32:18
  them someday and, and, and get a second chance at me not being an
• 1:32:22
  awkward person. But yeah, Silverstein, I've been
• 1:32:26
  listening to their newest album. It's OK right now.
• 1:32:30
  I don't like it entirely because of the let's collaborate with as
• 1:32:35
  many people as possible thing that everybody's doing right
• 1:32:38
  now. But.
• 1:32:40
  It is what it is. You know, I've been.
• 1:32:41
  I've been. I've been obsessed with just
• 1:32:43
  listening to Ozzy over and over and over.
• 1:32:45
  Yeah, but I'm also like, I, I Youngblood got me listening to a
• 1:32:50
  lot of Youngblood. I'm still obsessed with Ghost.
• 1:32:52
  That's a lot of that really. No one really caught.
• 1:32:54
  On to him until that happened. And that kind of bums me out,
• 1:32:57
  'cause like, he's always been a pretty talented artist.
• 1:32:59
  Youngblood. Like I remember very.
• 1:33:00
  Talented couple of his singles. Back in the day, but I think
• 1:33:04
  that emo rap was like flooding the gates of everything that was
• 1:33:09
  going on, you know what I mean? Like and and now that he did
• 1:33:13
  that and people are like, wow, he's more than just that art,
• 1:33:15
  that kind of artist. Like he can actually sing or he
• 1:33:18
  can actually entertain people. So he's watching.
• 1:33:21
  Him is like, he's like a mix of like the four or five artists I
• 1:33:24
  really like and then into one human, into a new generation.
• 1:33:28
  Like I look at him like when I first seen him, I was like,
• 1:33:30
  who's the Sex Pistols punk kid? And then I was like, all right.
• 1:33:34
  And then he kind of like evolved.
• 1:33:35
  And I was like, oh, this who's this David Bowie dude?
• 1:33:38
  Like kind of like cross dressing and really put his sexuality out
• 1:33:42
  there and like kind of toe nose lines.
• 1:33:44
  And then I see him do the Aussie thing.
• 1:33:46
  I'm like, oh, he's young Aussie. And then I was like watching and
• 1:33:49
  listening. I'm like, he's kind of like a
• 1:33:50
  Steven Tyler too. He's a big ass mouth on him.
• 1:33:53
  And then him and Steven performed last week.
• 1:33:55
  I'm like, he's like an amalgamation of all these
• 1:33:57
  amazing rock stars and he's kind of finding his way to really,
• 1:34:01
  really do cool things. M.
• 1:34:04
  Worked with him in 2017 and 2018 before he was popular.
• 1:34:07
  Hopefully good things. Yeah, she's like, he's a
• 1:34:10
  fucking. Dick she's she's like.
• 1:34:13
  Texting me, she's like, he's a bad person.
• 1:34:15
  No, I'm kidding. No.
• 1:34:17
  He he bites the heads. Off bats.
• 1:34:19
  That's weird. He's like trying to just so hard
• 1:34:22
  so. Hard.
• 1:34:24
  Yeah, what games are you playing lately?
• 1:34:29
  Me and M have been just playing a lot of Cuphead.
• 1:34:32
  Like so much so that she just gets rage baited every time that
• 1:34:36
  I don't think I that's too. Hard.
• 1:34:37
  I can't do that. It is a lot Warped Tour.
• 1:34:41
  That makes sense to me. No it.
• 1:34:45
  Cuphead is fun, peak is fun. I've been playing a lot of peak.
• 1:34:49
  Peak's been a great time and also Valorant, which no one
• 1:34:56
  knows what the fuck that game is anymore, but it's a first person
• 1:35:00
  shooter arena. Kind of like Overwatch but
• 1:35:03
  different, a little bit more tactical.
• 1:35:04
  Overwatch for like. N64 graphics no.
• 1:35:08
  It looks. Shitty.
• 1:35:09
  I watched you play it. Yeah, I think it looks like it
• 1:35:12
  looks like fucking 2001 video game.
• 1:35:16
  That's crazy. Yeah, that looks just.
• 1:35:18
  Be my PCV. And shit, honestly, maybe I'm.
• 1:35:21
  Like why is he playing like a fucking Super Nintendo game
• 1:35:24
  That's funny to. Me, I wish I could get more into
• 1:35:29
  like single player games, but I just don't have the time in my
• 1:35:32
  head. I don't have the time.
• 1:35:33
  I'm like, I'm wasting too much time.
• 1:35:35
  I'm not writing a song. I'm not, you know, doing
• 1:35:38
  something productive. Yeah.
• 1:35:40
  But I am. Excited.
• 1:35:41
  I am excited for something very specific which is out right now
• 1:35:47
  and we should play some time the new skate.
• 1:35:51
  Is it out? No, it's not on.
• 1:35:54
  My Xbox I can get new skate right now.
• 1:35:56
  It should. It should be.
• 1:35:57
  Out. Yeah, it should be out.
• 1:35:58
  It's odd on PCI. Just downloaded it the other
• 1:36:00
  day. I'm checking.
• 1:36:02
  Out as we speak. So we've been talking about this
• 1:36:06
  for a while, but I'm going to put it on the universe because
• 1:36:07
  we're on screen and I'm going to pressure both of us to that's
• 1:36:10
  really loud. I apologize my Xbox startup
• 1:36:13
  stream and I'm going to pressure both of us to try to do it.
• 1:36:15
  It won't be something consistently, but I have been
• 1:36:18
  talking to not just Billy but a few to a few other people of
• 1:36:22
  maybe collaborating more and making more content so I'll have
• 1:36:25
  more people who are like, hey, I want to do.
• 1:36:29
  I want to come and. Review this or I want to review
• 1:36:31
  that and me and Billy are going to kind of maybe do a lot of the
• 1:36:35
  music side of things like review albums.
• 1:36:37
  Like Billy's going to challenge me with an album that I'm going
• 1:36:39
  to challenge him with an album and kind of meet in the middle
• 1:36:41
  and and do some not cool in high school stuff, but there might be
• 1:36:44
  movies and other things in there as well.
• 1:36:46
  So that is that is something to really look forward to.
• 1:36:48
  I think we're going to try to make that happen.
• 1:36:50
  I want to get you. In.
• 1:36:51
  Contact with my buddy Rob who I just did.
• 1:36:54
  Oh, get them out of here. Who's the the fake fake ass?
• 1:36:58
  No, these are my actual. Viewers, this is all I have on
• 1:37:01
  Twitch. I'm not kicking them out.
• 1:37:03
  They're the only people who watch me on Twitch.
• 1:37:04
  That's the only viewer I have right now.
• 1:37:07
  Shout out to 123 dude right there.
• 1:37:09
  That's thanks for holding it down.
• 1:37:12
  I don't see Skate at all. I don't see I don't see skate
• 1:37:14
  really. Yeah.
• 1:37:16
  I don't see it under new games or games coming soon so I don't
• 1:37:19
  think it's available. I don't think it's out for.
• 1:37:22
  Console yet maybe? Not I, I Oh, wait, wait, wait.
• 1:37:25
  What's? This.
• 1:37:26
  What's this? All right, so you can.
• 1:37:28
  Search skate but it says currently not available.
• 1:37:30
  Continue shopping. Got you.
• 1:37:32
  Maybe it's just not out on on there yet.
• 1:37:35
  That's weird. Maybe I can download it.
• 1:37:38
  I haven't tried to play it yet, so maybe I can just.
• 1:37:40
  Oh my God, yeah. Well, that becomes the thing.
• 1:37:42
  Well, I mean, I'm not going to be good at it, but I'll play it.
• 1:37:45
  But yeah. I want to get.
• 1:37:46
  You in contact with my buddy Rob who I just did his podcast that
• 1:37:50
  comes out Wednesday. Called.
• 1:37:53
  Everything after, and I think you guys would, I think you guys
• 1:37:57
  would hit it off because he asked me before the show, he
• 1:38:01
  sent me a couple of things and he was like, what's a movie
• 1:38:04
  that's been on your mind? What's like your, you know,
• 1:38:07
  what's your favorite movie or what's a movie that's just been
• 1:38:08
  on your mind? And I told him there's this
• 1:38:10
  movie called Wizards from 1977, and it came out before Heavy
• 1:38:15
  Metal. And.
• 1:38:18
  It's just this crazy film about two Wizards and propaganda and
• 1:38:24
  how it floods the world and it's the two Wizards are brothers and
• 1:38:27
  the one Wizards are fucking Nazi, which is crazy.
• 1:38:30
  And then the other wizard, the good wizard is the wizard that's
• 1:38:33
  not that. And so it just did you get high
• 1:38:36
  and watch a weird. Version of the Wizard of Oz.
• 1:38:38
  Like what's the? I was driving past the.
• 1:38:42
  My honing drive in and I heard the audio for it and I was like,
• 1:38:45
  whoa, this music's fucking wild. Like this is bumpin.
• 1:38:48
  This is psychedelic and it's cool and it's it sounds like
• 1:38:51
  war-torn and I'm like pull and I was like I gotta go see what
• 1:38:54
  movies in the theater. I paid like 5 or 10 bucks or
• 1:38:57
  whatever and I went in and I was watching and I was like, this is
• 1:38:59
  insane. It's the trippiest shit ever.
• 1:39:02
  I want to get it called to. It's called.
• 1:39:04
  It's just called Wizards. Animated film from. 1977 from
• 1:39:11
  the people that created heavy metal.
• 1:39:14
  And it's an animated. Film.
• 1:39:18
  Interesting. And it's mixed.
• 1:39:19
  Media and it has like all this stuff, but it it's, it's got
• 1:39:23
  like crazy imagery and it's so different to me, it kind of
• 1:39:27
  looks like. Like the sword and the stone.
• 1:39:29
  Almost it. I mean it.
• 1:39:32
  Came out before that so that a lot of a lot of animations took
• 1:39:37
  after that afterwards, you know what I mean?
• 1:39:39
  Like as far as like inspirations go, but it's really good a.
• 1:39:43
  Big booby elf girl. Yeah, that's I'm going to get.
• 1:39:45
  Her tattooed. That's the Princess.
• 1:39:48
  I think it's Princess. What's her name?
• 1:39:50
  I can't remember but yeah, interesting.
• 1:39:53
  I look into it. I just watched Have you watched
• 1:39:58
  that documentary The wrong number yet?
• 1:40:02
  No. Oh.
• 1:40:03
  My God, I'm going to change your life.
• 1:40:05
  Billy on Netflix called wrong number.
• 1:40:09
  This girl in high school, she has her her little high school
• 1:40:12
  sweetheart boyfriend and everything's amazing.
• 1:40:15
  And they're they're both athletes and good students and
• 1:40:17
  good kids. And they live in a small little
• 1:40:18
  town called like any of those town of school.
• 1:40:20
  Everybody, everybody knows everybody.
• 1:40:23
  And she starts receiving these text messages.
• 1:40:25
  I hope her and her boyfriend. Watch this.
• 1:40:30
  My God, I'm not going to. I mean, everyone kind of knows
• 1:40:32
  where it goes to, but holy about I won't spoil it, Lily, if you
• 1:40:36
  haven't watched it, but like she just keeps receiving all these
• 1:40:39
  horrible texts of telling her she's terrible and she's the
• 1:40:42
  scumbag and she should hurt herself and her boyfriend's
• 1:40:45
  cheating on her and all these really sexual disgusting things.
• 1:40:50
  Then you find out who did it. Crazy.
• 1:40:53
  It's fucking crazy because EM was talking to me about it and I
• 1:40:56
  was like, that's a thing. Like that's a real thing.
• 1:40:59
  She's like, yeah, it's a document.
• 1:41:00
  That happen everywhere, all the time.
• 1:41:02
  That's the world. That's crazy, you know what I'm
• 1:41:04
  saying? Like Yikes.
• 1:41:07
  So that close. That close to you?
• 1:41:09
  Yeah, it's pretty close. This is about as close as you
• 1:41:11
  can get. That's a fucking crazy
• 1:41:13
  documentary. I watch it.
• 1:41:14
  I love the one. I love the TikTok sport where
• 1:41:17
  it's like, see ya honey, love you.
• 1:41:19
  And then like they're like you fucking little fucking flat ass
• 1:41:22
  fucking bitch. I hope you I love you man.
• 1:41:28
  Like the tick tocks making fun of the documentary are the best.
• 1:41:31
  Like they're like how? Because it's almost like they're
• 1:41:34
  not making fun of the situation. Like what that girl went through
• 1:41:36
  is the most traumatic thing of her life and it sucks that she
• 1:41:39
  has to live the rest of her life because of it and it probably
• 1:41:41
  affected her so so much. But the context of.
• 1:41:44
  It completely, yeah, but just the.
• 1:41:46
  Aspect of just like the like almost like yeah without the
• 1:41:49
  person doing it like caring and. Then all of a sudden being Yeah.
• 1:41:52
  And then they got. They got like a slap on their
• 1:41:54
  wrist for the most part I feel about it.
• 1:41:56
  Like if that was the other way dude, that person would still be
• 1:42:00
  in jail. Could you imagine if it was a
• 1:42:02
  male figure? Spoiler alert, it wasn't a dude
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  if it was a male figure sending those explicit sexual messages
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  to a young child. Female.
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  Yeah. Bro he would have.
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  They would have threw the key away on him, yeah.
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  They he definitely wouldn't. Be allowed to talk to him ever
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  again, that's for sure. And this person?
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  Still has contact with the person.
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  That's insane. That's that's, that's, that's
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  forgiveness that. I can't understand.
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  I Yeah, No. It makes me sick and it makes my
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  skin crawl inside. I'm like, I would never be able
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  to see you the same ever again. And I would hope that you died.
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  Yeah. I would have, I would not.
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  Have I would have very strong feelings, Yeah.
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  So what are some new learning experience or advice you would
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  pass off to someone trying to chase your dreams or do music or
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  do Omegle's dreams? What would what would be your
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  your advice? Don't let anyone.
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  Influence you otherwise. Do do the.
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  Thing that makes you happy 100% you're going to have to alter it
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  eventually in some way shape or form just to get the formula
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  down. But if you stop entirely, you'll
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  never be able to pick up that steam and and maybe never, not,
• 1:43:18
  never, never be able to is like kind of a stretch.
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  But sometimes it's harder to when you've like just fucking,
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  if you let it go, you're it's just going to be so much harder
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  and you're going to put so much more work on yourself.
• 1:43:28
  But sometimes you do need, you need that break.
• 1:43:30
  You need the pause within it to get back into a motivated
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  mindset. So if you're someone that's like
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  driven, and I'm in no way an expert because I don't, I'm not,
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  I don't have a label. Yeah, we're still figuring, you
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  know. What I mean like.
• 1:43:44
  That 10 people watch Who? The fuck are we?
• 1:43:46
  Yeah, but I've toured. I've I've booked shows where
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  I've gotten paid in different States and stuff like that.
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  So like if that's your goal, I can get you there.
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  Really the whole thing is make real friends.
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  Make actual fucking friends and be the most realistic person you
• 1:44:05
  can and cut out all the bullshit.
• 1:44:07
  If it doesn't align with you, then just, you know, split it
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  off, get it out of here, Don't fucking deal with it, and find
• 1:44:14
  the people that actually align with the things that matter to
• 1:44:17
  you. And that might not be me, but,
• 1:44:19
  you know, you got to figure your own thing out, yeah.
• 1:44:23
  What are you grateful for? Are you currently happy?
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  My. Family, my, my current
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  girlfriend is really rad and I'm very happy about that.
• 1:44:33
  The music scene that I've sort of slowly embedded myself into
• 1:44:37
  just super supportive and I'm really grateful.
• 1:44:40
  I mean, they might not be chatting, but I'm sure that
• 1:44:43
  they're watching. They're very, very quiet people.
• 1:44:48
  But yeah, no, I'm very grateful for everyone that I've met in,
• 1:44:52
  in when they're available, They, they do tend to share
• 1:44:56
  everything. So it's it's really sweet.
• 1:44:58
  So awesome. Awesome.
• 1:45:00
  Well, listen people, you can follow and support the Converse
• 1:45:02
  Kid, Billy Trey on the links below there's a link tree.
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  So make sure you go and follow them on all social media.
• 1:45:08
  Follow their Spotify's if you have that or any music platform
• 1:45:12
  that you listen to. Leave some reviews, put them in
• 1:45:15
  the rotations, put them in some playlists.
• 1:45:17
  Let me know what you think Support, buy some merchandise.
• 1:45:20
  Got some T-shirts available now we'll try to see if we can get
• 1:45:22
  those available on digital T-shirts.
• 1:45:24
  Well, so you don't have to carry them around as well.
• 1:45:26
  I think it's just an easy way to make money.
• 1:45:28
  So we should help you set that up if you need it and if you
• 1:45:31
  made it this far on the YouTube, Facebook, twitch or side, make
• 1:45:34
  sure you hit subscribe button. I'm I'm I I set a goal for
• 1:45:37
  myself for 10,000 by the end of the year.
• 1:45:40
  It's not looking like that's a big.
• 1:45:42
  Goal. Huge goal, huge goal.
• 1:45:45
  I think 2000 is my. Realistic.
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  But 10,000 is my big goal. You're like, that's my dream
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  goal. Yeah, I would.
• 1:45:50
  Like to hit 10, but if we can get I'm about halfway to two
• 1:45:53
  like I'm 1500 some subscribers. So we'll we'll pop off and.
• 1:45:58
  And my music pops off. I'll put I'll put out one of the
• 1:46:01
  songs that we have on here with ABJ podcast theme in parentheses
• 1:46:06
  so that people are yeah, what the fuck is that?
• 1:46:09
  Write some lyrics like. Stupid stuff on stream like a
• 1:46:16
  legitimate. The legitimate like a fucking.
• 1:46:19
  Beavis and butt head intro music but like with lyrics, yeah.
• 1:46:24
  That'd be great. Yeah, also, you check my lane
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  tree out. I do have some merchandise ways
• 1:46:29
  you can support. Follow me on social media, Come
• 1:46:30
  stalk me. I need, I need something weird
• 1:46:33
  in my life to fucking spice it up.
• 1:46:34
  But that's pretty much all we got.
• 1:46:36
  And fun to say this with the person on screen with me.
• 1:46:40
  But we're gonna sign out. And here's some music by the
• 1:46:42
  Congress Kid.