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MLB's managerial carousel continues · Cardinal Territory: A St. Louis Cardinals Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Cardinal Territory is presented by Fox One.
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  Speaker 2: Hi, what's up. I'm your host, Katie Wu. Welcome back,
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  Speaker 2: indeed to Cardinal Territory. I am fresh off the NLCS,
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  Speaker 2: in which I saw probably the greatest thing ever Shoho Tani.
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  Speaker 2: Three homers, six shutty, ten punch outs to clinch the
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  Speaker 2: National League pennant was absurd, even for Otani standards. And look,
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure Cardinals fans have some maybe a little Dodger's fatigue.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's probably actually true for all twenty nine
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  Speaker 2: fan bases, not in LA, but from a baseball perspective,
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  Speaker 2: just a fan of the game, that performance from Shoho
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  Speaker 2: Tani in Game four was absurd.
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  Speaker 1: I don't really think I still have the words for it.
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  Speaker 2: I just am so thankful to have been there in
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  Speaker 2: the stadium for what is arguably, I actually don't really
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  Speaker 2: think it's an argument probably the greatest postseason performance we
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  Speaker 2: will see of all time.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, just insane.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, very thankful to have been a small part of
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  Speaker 2: the coverage there for the athletic But let's get back
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  Speaker 2: to reality.
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  Speaker 1: Not much going on.
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  Speaker 2: In Cardinals land here as we sit in the middle
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  Speaker 2: of October, which is to be accepted. But we'll do
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  Speaker 2: a quick recap as to where things currently stand anyway,
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  Speaker 2: starting with number four. Not a lot of traction on
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  Speaker 2: the bring Yachty or Molina front back to Saint Louis.
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  Speaker 2: In case you missed it, Yachti announced earlier in the
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  Speaker 2: week via Instagram stories that he is opened to MLB
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  Speaker 2: managerial and coaching jobs. This comes perhaps a little earlier
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  Speaker 2: than he first projected.
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  Speaker 1: When we last talked to Yachty.
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  Speaker 2: In Saint Louis, he was thinking maybe another year or
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  Speaker 2: so before he'd be ready. But you know who here
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  Speaker 2: hasn't changed their mind, so he has said that he's ready.
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  Speaker 2: He's opened to any jobs they don't necessarily have to
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  Speaker 2: be in Saint Louis. Yes, as we talked about on
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  Speaker 2: the last episode, the Cardinals have had at least some
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  Speaker 2: preliminary conversations about Yachti potentially keyword potentially joining the Cardinals
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  Speaker 2: coaching staff, but again, no major traction on that front
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  Speaker 2: right now. The Cardinals are still finalizing their Major League
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  Speaker 2: coaching staff under manager Ali Marmal, but I personally would
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  Speaker 2: not expect too many, if any changes at all there.
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  Speaker 2: I think the Cardinals are well equipped to run it
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  Speaker 2: back with the same coaching staff from twenty twenty five.
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  Speaker 1: Hein Bloom has said that.
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  Speaker 2: He looks to be adding more than subtracting, so maybe
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  Speaker 2: that's something there. Other than that, though, I haven't heard
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  Speaker 2: too much about any real coaching changes that could change again.
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  Speaker 2: But as we sit here in middle of October, just
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  Speaker 2: three weeks removed from the season, I wouldn't expect a
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  Speaker 2: huge turnover in the coaching department, at least at the
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  Speaker 2: major league level. Speaking to managers, however, a lot of
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  Speaker 2: manager news this week, maybe not necessarily correlating with the
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  Speaker 2: Cardinals themselves, but with several people with significant ties to
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  Speaker 2: the organization.
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  Speaker 1: So let's break all.
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  Speaker 2: The Mic Schiltz stuff down, the albatpool stuff down right
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  Speaker 2: into our DraftKings segment. Let's just do that now, all right,
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  Speaker 2: for the second consecutive week. This is our Draft Kings
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  Speaker 2: person or people spotlight, not players, will be highlighting some
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  Speaker 2: prominent names here in Major League Baseball.
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  Speaker 1: Let's start with number five.
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  Speaker 2: Albert Poohles is still the front runner for the Angels
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  Speaker 2: in this manager carousel around Major League Baseball, but reported
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  Speaker 2: interest with other teams has started. As we reported in
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  Speaker 2: the Athletic. A couple of weeks ago, Albert did meet
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  Speaker 2: with Angels GM Perry Minus in in Clayton right here,
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  Speaker 2: right before his foundation held an event in Saint Louis.
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  Speaker 1: This is maybe about a week two weeks ago.
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  Speaker 2: Poohles remains Angels owner already Morino's top choice, but other candidates,
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  Speaker 2: including former MLB veteran Tory Hunter, They're still in consideration.
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  Speaker 2: The two other teams that have emerged and have been
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  Speaker 2: reportedly linked to Albert Poohles as their manager candidate, the
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  Speaker 2: Baltimore Orioles and the San Diego Padres. Now, hmm, why
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  Speaker 2: are the Potters in the mix? Well, the whole reason
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  Speaker 2: the Podres are even in consideration is because their former manager,
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  Speaker 2: Cardinal's former manager Mike Shilt, elected to retire this week,
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  Speaker 2: a very surprising decision, to say the least. San Diego
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  Speaker 2: was a two time playoff team under Shilt one ninety
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  Speaker 2: games again, and this, of course is the second time
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  Speaker 2: Mike Shilt was dismissed under surprising circumstances.
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  Speaker 1: Certainly, we are all aware.
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  Speaker 2: Of the philosophical differences leading to his dismissal as the
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  Speaker 2: Cardinals manager in twenty twenty one this one as reported
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  Speaker 2: by countless San Diego media. They've done a great job
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  Speaker 2: covering this was Mike Shult's decision. He made the decision
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  Speaker 2: to step away for personal health reasons. He's I believe
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  Speaker 2: the term used, was retired from this job, has no
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  Speaker 2: plans to return to Major League Baseball anytime soon, but
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  Speaker 2: did not rule it out. This sounded like it was,
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  Speaker 2: you know, his decision to step away, and that kind
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  Speaker 2: of ubstanti for Padres general manager Aj Preller, who was
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  Speaker 2: entering his own final year of his contract and now
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  Speaker 2: must hire another manager.
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  Speaker 1: But Cardinals fans don't really care about that.
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  Speaker 2: What you guys care about is probably the big story
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  Speaker 2: that was out in the San Diego Union Tribune by
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  Speaker 2: Padres beat writer Kevin Ace, who did a fantastic job,
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  Speaker 2: who reported some friction between the Padres coaching staff and
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  Speaker 2: Mike Shilt and the Padre's front office and Mike Shildt.
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  Speaker 1: I'll preface with this, I can only speak to what
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  Speaker 1: I know, and I am not in San Diego. Obviously.
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  Speaker 2: I had one season working with Shildt as the manager
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  Speaker 2: of the Cardinals. Was my first season in which there
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  Speaker 2: was zero clubhouse access due to COVID restrictions, and I
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  Speaker 2: was really regulated to Zoom's phone calls and brief on
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  Speaker 2: field interactions with everybody that year, including Mike Shilt. There
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  Speaker 2: are things about the Cardinals organization that we know, just
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  Speaker 2: whether we're fans, whether media, whether we work in it.
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  Speaker 1: The same as.
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  Speaker 2: Cardinals, sometimes to a fault, are a very loyal organization.
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  Speaker 2: They consistently promote internally, they promote within, they really respect
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  Speaker 2: their tradition. None of these things are bad things by
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  Speaker 2: any means, but it could lead or at least be
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  Speaker 2: an explanation as to why things never really got out
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  Speaker 2: when John Mozaellack fired Mike Shilt citing philosophical differences. And
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  Speaker 2: I'm not saying that the Padres organization is not loyal,
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  Speaker 2: is not you know, meant like has not have their
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  Speaker 2: own issues, right, But I am saying that there's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of protection here in Saint Louis. And my read
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  Speaker 2: on the situation, and this was just my speculation, was
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  Speaker 2: always that John Mozellack saying philosophical differences was his way
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  Speaker 2: of saying, I'm not elaborating on anything else. Out of
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  Speaker 2: protection for everybody, out of protection for the organization, out
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  Speaker 2: of protection for Mike Shilt, out of protection for myself.
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  Speaker 2: Say what do you want about Mo? And yes, Cardinals fans,
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  Speaker 2: we will be talking about him going forward.
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  Speaker 1: Don't worry.
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  Speaker 2: He was very, very loyal and very dedicated to upholding
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  Speaker 2: the reputation of the Saint Louis Cardinals. From a business
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  Speaker 2: and operation standpoint, there were for a professional sports organization,
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  Speaker 2: knock on wood, not a lot of drama off the fields,
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  Speaker 2: and that cannot be said if you look around the
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  Speaker 2: league to many other organizations. I think Moe really did
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  Speaker 2: his job in terms of protecting his employees.
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  Speaker 1: So maybe that's.
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  Speaker 2: Why details very limited details about why Mike Shult was
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  Speaker 2: really fired was really fired have actually transpired and come
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  Speaker 2: out from the Saint Louis side.
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  Speaker 1: Mike Shilt had responded.
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  Speaker 2: If you have not read the article about his departure
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  Speaker 2: in the Union Tribune, I encourage you to.
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  Speaker 1: He responded to all the allegations.
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  Speaker 2: They will say the allegations there were not said by
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  Speaker 2: anyone on the record.
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  Speaker 1: That doesn't mean that they're not true.
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  Speaker 2: It was just, you know, here's what happened in San Diego,
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  Speaker 2: or what a reporter found out. Here is how the
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  Speaker 2: managers responding to it. I personally can't say if that's
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  Speaker 2: tied into why he was let go in Saint Louis,
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  Speaker 2: because I can only report on what I know, and
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  Speaker 2: what I know is that it always felt like there
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  Speaker 2: was some protection from everybody involved. That I'm not saying
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  Speaker 2: one side was more perfect than the other. It just
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  Speaker 2: felt like when the Cardinals decided to move on so
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  Speaker 2: quickly from Mike Schildt, it just felt like they were
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  Speaker 2: protecting everybody. So maybe more details will come out, maybe not,
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  Speaker 2: I will say, and I think we can all agree
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  Speaker 2: with this, no matter how you feel about Olie Marmel
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  Speaker 2: Mike schiltz sudden firing in the midst of a very
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  Speaker 2: successful playoff run they won seventeen street. He was a
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  Speaker 2: Manager of the Year finalist one Manager of the Year
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  Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen.
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  Speaker 1: All the things you guys already know did not help.
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  Speaker 2: I think the segue between shilt and Marvel, and I
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  Speaker 2: think Allie actually still wears a lot of, in my opinion,
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  Speaker 2: unfair bias because of the way the Schiltz situation was handled.
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  Speaker 2: But I still think the Cardinals organization tried to handle
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  Speaker 2: it in a way that invited maybe a lot of speculation,
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  Speaker 2: but certainly didn't bring a lot of drama, and we
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  Speaker 2: are seeing a lot of drama unroll in San Diego.
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  Speaker 1: So that's my take on it. All right.
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  Speaker 2: I believe eight teams still are looking for managers. We
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  Speaker 2: know that our palace Gift Schumacher will take over the Rangers.
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  Speaker 1: That is official. He's already underway.
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  Speaker 2: Another Saint Louis and native has emerged as a top
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  Speaker 2: candidate for San Francisco. The University of Tennis baseball coach
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  Speaker 2: Tony Botello, who won an award at the Saint Louis
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  Speaker 2: Baseball Writer's Dinner last year, by the way, has emerged
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  Speaker 2: according to the Athletics Ken Rosenthalberg really and Andy Baggerley
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  Speaker 2: as the front runner in San Francisco to take over
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  Speaker 2: their open manager job. That would be an unprecedented higher
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  Speaker 2: He is no professional sports experience, no professional baseball experience.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously a very successful coach in the University of Tennessee
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  Speaker 2: won a national championship with them. But it would be
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  Speaker 2: a very very unorthodox hire for president Baseball Operations.
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  Speaker 1: Buster Posey out there. So we'll see a lot of
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  Speaker 1: Saint Louis traction here with the manager carousel.
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  Speaker 2: But not necessarily for the Saint Louis Cardinals spot, because
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  Speaker 2: as we know all your myne while coming back in
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty.
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  Speaker 1: Six, we will again see what his coaching staff looks like.
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  Speaker 2: I'd expect some finality maybe by the time the World
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  Speaker 2: Series ends. So that's what we got here for our
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so on.
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  Speaker 2: For Friday, I believe we had a quick update from
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  Speaker 2: the Saint Louis Cardinals with some injury updates. I'll go
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  Speaker 2: ahead and read them. Surgery updates for three players, Brendan Donovan,
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  Speaker 2: Yvon Herrera, and Lars new Bar One. We knew, we
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  Speaker 2: knew Eyvon Herrera was going to get surgery heading into
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  Speaker 2: the season. He had a right elbow scope to remove
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  Speaker 2: bone spurring on October fifteenth.
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  Speaker 1: This was the plan. He disclosed it at the end
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  Speaker 1: of the season. The idea is.
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  Speaker 2: For him to fix some of those bone spurs and
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  Speaker 2: his throwing elbow. He'll be back up within four to
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  Speaker 2: six weeks and throwing. The Cardinals have a throwing program
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  Speaker 2: and an off season program set for Herrera.
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  Speaker 1: The plan is for him to catch roughly sixty to
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  Speaker 1: maybe eighty games next year, and.
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  Speaker 2: They'll split the workload between whatever catcher, whether that's Jimmy
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  Speaker 2: Crooks or Pedro Pas. Next year, Yvon Herrera will not
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  Speaker 2: be needed to be a starting catcher for the Cardinals,
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  Speaker 2: where he's looking at one hundred and twenty games. The
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  Speaker 2: idea for Herrera to catch roughly sixty or so seventy games.
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  Speaker 2: It's just free up some roster flexibility. It didn't do
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  Speaker 2: the Cardinals any good to have Herrera as their sole
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  Speaker 2: a designated hitter. Really clogged up the roster, and we
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  Speaker 2: know that that is a top priority for hine Bloom
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  Speaker 2: going into twenty twenty six is to have less of
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  Speaker 2: a rigid roster. Brendan Donovan sports hernia repair he underwent
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  Speaker 2: that on October seventh.
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  Speaker 1: He spent most of the second half injured with the groin.
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  Speaker 2: Sports hernia and groin injuries are not exactly the same,
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  Speaker 2: but not necessarily surprised to see his name there.
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  Speaker 1: And the new bar.
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  Speaker 2: He had surgery on both of his heels to shave
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  Speaker 2: down Haglin's deformities that also went down on October seventh.
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  Speaker 2: He'll be a walking boot for at least a couple
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  Speaker 2: of weeks. Return to play determination have not yet been
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  Speaker 2: officially announced, so we do not yet know the prognosis
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  Speaker 2: for any of these except Herreras, because it was already
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  Speaker 2: disclosed that he would not have the impact any impact
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  Speaker 2: at the start of the season. Mason Wynn, of course,
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  Speaker 2: we knew he underwent surgery for that right meniscus tear
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  Speaker 2: very early after the season ended. His timetable is not impacted,
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  Speaker 2: so we will wait further diagnosis on Brendan Donovan and
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  Speaker 2: Lar's newbar. I am no doctor, I am no expert,
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  Speaker 2: so I'm not going to even offer a timetable because
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  Speaker 2: I simply don't know. What I do know is that,
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  Speaker 2: regardless of injury situations, I would expect Brendan Donovan and
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  Speaker 2: Lar's newpar to be heavily tied into trade discussions for
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  Speaker 2: the Cardinals this year, and it's early. It's a little
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  Speaker 2: too early to be talking about roster changes here in
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  Speaker 2: Saint Louis, but we'd liveally have nothing else to talk about,
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  Speaker 2: so let's go for it.
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  Speaker 1: As we know, the Cardinals have so many.
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  Speaker 2: Lefties in their twenty six man roster, and I would
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  Speaker 2: imagine it is not on high Bloom's perfect world to
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  Speaker 2: roll out the exact same roster as last year, because
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  Speaker 2: it was a flawed roster. It was very redundant and
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  Speaker 2: there were a lot of positional redundancy's positional clogs. However
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  Speaker 2: you want to say it. Donovan and new Bar and
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  Speaker 2: maybe this will be interesting to monitor going into the
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  Speaker 2: seat or going into the off season with their recovery times.
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  Speaker 2: Are the players that are going to be entering their
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  Speaker 2: second year of arbitration, and we already know that the
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  Speaker 2: Cardinal's competitive window looks to be past twenty twenty seven,
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  Speaker 2: both Donovan and Newbar will be free agents. Then would
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  Speaker 2: that put them in trade considerations? I would expect maybe,
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  Speaker 2: especially in Donovan's case, because he is coming off a
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  Speaker 2: peak career year, and yes there were some injuries in
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  Speaker 2: the second half, but there was a ton of interest
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  Speaker 2: in him in the trade deadline, just not necessarily something
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  Speaker 2: where the Cardinals were overwhelmed that would make a move
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  Speaker 2: right now. So we'll wait for further prognosis on their
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  Speaker 2: injuries and their surgery recovery time. But it would not
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  Speaker 2: surprise me at all to hear Brendan Donovan and Lars.
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  Speaker 1: Newbar in trade discussions.
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  Speaker 2: I also know the Cardinals are going to look to
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  Speaker 2: maybe dippy up their catching depth.
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  Speaker 1: I would not expect Von Herrera to be in those conversations.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe we're looking at a Pedro Pajaz instead, because again
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  Speaker 2: goes back to positional redundancy and having too many guys
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  Speaker 2: in one position and not nearly as many guys and
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  Speaker 2: other positions. So you're looking at the left handed bats
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  Speaker 2: and the catching depth being the two very early position
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  Speaker 2: areas to monitor. Whenever this off season starts, the GM
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  Speaker 2: meetings are scheduled for.
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  Speaker 1: Hold on.
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  Speaker 2: Game seven of the World Series if needed, will be
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  Speaker 2: October thirty first, Happy Halloween to you all, and then
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  Speaker 2: the GM Meetings, the unofficial starting point of the off
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  Speaker 2: season is scheduled to begin November tenth in Las Vegas,
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  Speaker 2: so we will have a better understanding on what that
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  Speaker 2: will look like the Cardinals off season plans, what we're
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  Speaker 2: going to see under Hein Bloom's first real winter around then.
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  Speaker 2: So that's my very early prediction, just based on what
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  Speaker 2: we briefly discussed the end of the season.
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  Speaker 1: Expect trade circulation.
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  Speaker 2: Around Donovan and new bar maybe some Burlison, maybe some Gorman,
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  Speaker 2: not so much Herrera, and we'll see if these injury
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  Speaker 2: timetables really impact anything. Okay, let's take a quick message
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  Speaker 2: I'm enjoying a few days off before heading to the
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  Speaker 2: World Series, which I'm super excited about.
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  Speaker 1: I'll again be helping out with the athletics coverage there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so we'll again have one episode next week, and
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  Speaker 2: then we will have some clarity on the podcast, some
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  Speaker 1: It will be right into the off season.
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  Speaker 2: So I know these episodes definitely have a lot of
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  Speaker 2: substance in them. I would expect that to change over
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  Speaker 2: the course of the off season. I really do believe
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  Speaker 2: we're not going to see it right now, because again,
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  Speaker 2: the postseason is still coming, still going on. I do
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  Speaker 2: think the Cardinals will have their busiest off season that
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: we've seen in a while. It might not be the
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: most exciting in terms of acquiring talent, so there will
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: be transactions and the first area that I'm looking at
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: GM meetings.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: The second area the non tender deadline, which.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: Is shortly after I would expect to see some significant
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: forty man roster overhaul, so stay tuned for that. We'll
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: be back next week one more episode with Bernie hopefully,
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: and then we'll have more updates about the state of
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: Cardinal Territory very very soon.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: Thanks guys for watching. Talk Later,