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UK Column News Podcast 5th July 2024 · UK Column Radio

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Good afternoon. It's Friday, the fifth of July twenty twenty four, just
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after one o'clock. Welcome to UK Colin News. I'm your host. Mike
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Robinson joined me in the studio today with Ben Rubin and by video link we
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have Debbie Evans and Cheryl Gringer. So, well, it's a bit of
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a depressing day, isn't it is? It is a bit of a depressing
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day because we have a new Prime minister. The old one. Well,
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I'm not going to torture you for too long. We've only got fourteen seconds
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of his comments at the count, so let's have a listen to this.
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The Labor Party has won this general election and I have called to Keirs Darma
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to congratulate him on his victory. Today. Power will change hands in a
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peaceful and orderly manner, with goodwill on all sides. Absolutely it will,
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because we've had a Uni Party for the last lot of years. So the
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question is will this make any difference? And of course for anybody that thinks
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that by voting this way and getting rid of the Tory Party in this way,
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because this seems to be the only motivation for most people has been just
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to get rid of the Tories and not worry about what Labor was actually going
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to do. The question is what are we going to get with Kier Starmer.
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So let's bring him on screen, and of course we're going to get
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the war agenda and we're going to get the World Economic Forum agenda because sitting
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on his shoulders are Tony Blair and Claude Schwab. That is, he made
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the statement would he prefers Parliament or Davos, and Davos was the answer,
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and of course Tony Blair absolutely got his hand right up his jacket there or
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wherever. So, you know, what can we say about Kir Starmer?
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Many many questions, as we've covered over the last number of months about his
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career and so on, but no question where he is going to be taking
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us. So this is not a victory for socialism by any means, because
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he's not socialist, not any more than I am anyway. But of course
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some people were celebrating, or one or two people were. Nigel Faraje celebrating.
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The Reform Party, as we'll see in the second got four seats.
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That's fewer than perhaps some people, including themselves expected, But nonetheless he was
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having a glass of wine and well who was commiserating, Well, Liz Trust,
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of course, hardly any surprise there, Penny Mordant, Jacob rees Mogg.
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Sorry, who's this Shapes? Grand Shapes? Yes, sorry, the
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name has already fallen out of Missal. Yeah. So these guys amongst the
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many who have fallen in the Tory Party. What a shame. But what
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is a shame is that Andrew Bridgin did not succeed in winning his seat,
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nor did George Galloway. And the Telegraph decided that they would celebrate George Galloway,
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in particular not winning his seat, with the headline like good goodbye Galloway,
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Sorry, goodbye Galloway. This is a triumph for Israel. And actually
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this whole result is a triumph for Israel because of Sunak, absolutely behind the
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war policy in Israel and Gaza, as much behind the war policy in Ukraine,
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and undoubtedly he will be behind the war policy in just about every other
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part of the world that we decided to dip our toes as a country.
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But I thought that Telegraph headlines summed up the situation reasonably well. On a
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lighthearted note, Anne McCluskey was at the count in Londonderry and Foil candidate An
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mclusky arrives at the Kind Center, says the BBC, and they had to
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publish a photograph of her wearing a defund the BBC t shirt. So that
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was good night. Anne McCluskey did very, very well because she ended up
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although she didn't win the seat obviously, she ended up with fifteen hundred and
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nineteen votes, which for an independent was an excellent result. If you get
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more than about one hundred votes, you're doing pretty well. The question is
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then, where does this all leave us? Well, here is the graph
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showing where we are with the Labor Party with four hundred and twelve seats,
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Tories with one hundred and twenty one live them so seventy one nine SNP.
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The SNP got decimated, which is possibly the only good piece of news out
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of this whole thing. Shinfin did better than last time, Independence did reasonably
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well, and so on. So basically, what this shows is that if
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all the so called opposition parties get together, they still won't have enough votes
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to even match the Liver Party by half. So that's quite an incredible situation
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for the Liver Party to be in. So let's put that back on screen
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for a second and have a look at what the turnout was, because this
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is also important. So two hundred sorryon two hundred and fourteen voters register voters
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in the UK as sixty percent turnout, and that is down from sixty seven
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point three percent in twenty nineteen. And I think that's indicative of how people
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feel about this. Well, we call them clients on the previous program.
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It has been a client show. They are clients. Nothing's going to change
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and at least as far as Parliament is concerned, and in fact situation is
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worse because so many newcomers, so many first timers, going into the House
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of Commons is going to take them two years even to work out what the
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heck's going on around them. But just to make a final point on this,
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if we look at the number of people that actually voted for Labor,
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out of that forty eight point two million people, it was only nine point
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six million people, So in fact Labor's vote didn't increase by very much.
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A combination of votes for the other parties being lit and also people's determination not
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to vote at all, which has resulted in this result. And of course
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this has going to have been encourage the people that are working towards vota reform,
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as ortation and these types of situations, because as people are disenchanted with
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the first past the post system, there's inevitable there are going to be inevitably
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calls for a complete constitutional reform here. Yes, absolutely, I mean this
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is it's a meltdown for the system. I think. I don't think there's
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any redeeming qualities to this election at all. I think you're absolutely right that
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most of the drive towards labor was basically driven by discuss it for the Tories
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and actually dipping back into mainstream social media. I've been on Instagram this week
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a little bit looking at what people I know and there have been sharing.
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I've tried to stay away for the past few months, and all of it
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was very much driven and by not wanting them to always in power. Had
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absolutely nothing to do with Starma or any of the policy positions or anything at
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all. So bear in mind there's going to be no opposition at all in
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the Heust of Commons since there are no decent independence there and so on reform.
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I've only got four for members and the question is how much opposition will
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be given to war policy for example, where's the opposition going to come from.
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It's going to have to come from the population. I think, you
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know, this is just going to be a block vote for whatever party leadership
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decides they want to do. Yes. So basically it's going to have to
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be street action that's opposing government policy. So we will see how that develops
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over the next period of time. But Debbie, what is a situation then
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with the NHS as a result of this result? Well, good question and
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good afternoon everyone. And I mean, let's look at Labor because their whole
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campaign message was changed and the change that I'm seeing is going to be an
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acceleration of everything that we haven't liked for the last three years. But who's
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at the top, So a lot of us talk about who's pulling Keir Starmer's
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strings, while the office of Gordon and Sarah Brown we should take notice of
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that. And of course Gordon Brown, he was made a Member of the
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Order of Companions just recently by the King. He joins the company of Elton
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John, David Attenborough and Shirley Bassey. But he's been busy re re engineering
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the constitution, so watch out for what's going to happen to the House of
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Lords and to the Second Chamber which will become counsels. So we're looking at
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fifteen minutes, cities and mayors. But of course let's not forget Tony Blair
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who has been leading with ambition and optimism, the Tony Blair Institute for Global
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Change. But what do they have in mind for the NHS? And that's
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what I was going to actually have a look at, and that's what we
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look at next. The NHS refounded delivering a health service. Well what does
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that actually mean? So when you look into the document, because Tony Blair
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has got everything mapped out, we're looking at life sciences and we're looking at
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artificial intelligence, and as he says, there has presently constituted the NHS cannot
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be the service we need now. And if you go further on into that
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paper, you can see that what he's looking for is a full national public
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health data infrastructure, which is going to bring all of your data under one
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roof and give anybody the right to look at it pretty much anywhere. He's
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also going to revamp nice integrated careboards, and he says going further and faster
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on devolution is therefore essential. Going on from that, we're looking at more
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partnerships, this time private voluntary partnerships. They're going to be raising money using
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social impact bonds and I'll come back onto that in a second. They're also
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going to make sure that data is transparent for the broader public and for research
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and development of the b British life sciences sector. So once again we've got
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all of this agenda and moving on. But one thing that I do want
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to mention, and I'll have to read it out because I'm not a financial
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expert, but as I understand it, a social impact bond, which is
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what they were just talking about then, is a pay for success new financial
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scheme pay for benefit, so investors provide working capital upfront to NGOs depending upon
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their performance. So it looks like a nasty stranglehold to me. So perhaps
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we'll need to do more work. But as of yesterday, Where's Streeting was
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the shadow Health Secretary, so I just thought we'd have a little look.
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I don't know if he's going to be appointed as minister later today, We'll
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have to wait and find out. But who is he because he's definitely had
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his eyes on the top job for quite a long time. The Financial Time
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say that is he the savior that labored desperately needs. Well, he's been
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doing a lot of work in Israel, you might be interested to know.
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And on his trips to Israel, he's been looking at laboratories and he's been
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going to medical conferences, so a lot of work there on Israel. And
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while he was there, he was shown an app that apparently if you have
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an accident, they can immediately transmit pictures of the accident or the victim straight
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to an A and E or a hospital. And they said that if you
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waited for an ambulance in Israel, you'd get one within eight minutes. So
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Where's Streeting is obviously looking at towards Israel for our health service to come now.
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The Financial Times went into Wes Streeting's personal history, of which he's been
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very open and honest about. But I just thought our viewers and listeners might
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might like to know who Where's Streeting is. So his grandfather was an armed
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robber, and his grandmother, who was also ran foul of the law,
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shared a prison cell with the model Christine Keeler, who was in the nineteen
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sixties Perfumo scandal. I'm sure you many of you will remember that he's a
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devout Christian and he's a gay man, but he says that that has caused
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him a lot of difficulty. If we go further on into the article again,
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you'll see that his two grandfathers both were named Bill, and they were
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key figures in his life. But his maternal grandfather grandfather spent time in prison
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and was familiar with the craze but apparently not part of the gang. And
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where Streeting thinks that, well, I don't know whether he thinks it's funny,
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but I don't. But he actually went to a prison before he went
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to a university. So going on, I think we probably got a little
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bit more about him because his grandmother was embroiled in crimes and she was released
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from hospital to actually give birth to his mother at the Whittington Hospital. The
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Whittington's very close to Holloway. His mother was left wing and his grandmother joined
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picket lines at whopping and threw stones at buses carrying scab workers to Rupert Murdocks
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print works. So he chose not to be gay for many years, and
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he openly speaks about this. His partner Joe Dancy is a communications consultant.
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Now, he actually stood for Labor in this election, but he just missed
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out on the seat. And I think it was in Stockton on Tees.
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And actually west Streeting only just scraped in this time with a five hundred majority,
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so it wasn't a landslide. But have a listen to a little bit
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of video of west Streeting talking about his background. You know, and your
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parents weren't bad parents by any stretch of imagination, but you know, they
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were busy putting food on the table. They were busy, you know,
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keeping you alive. Teachers were really the kind of inspirational figures in your life
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of teams. Yeah, without a great state education, you know, I
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always joke I might have ended up in prison like my granddad rather than parliament.
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Although he's no longer with us and didn't live to see me elected to
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parliament. I can almost hear him in my head saying, yeah, but
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you work with more crooks than I did in parliament. He was very cynical
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about politics and politicians. I mean, that's how bad politics has fallen,
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by the way even armed robbers look down their noses. Perhaps words he'll come
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to regret anyway, considering he may be health secretary, Let's see what he's
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got lined up for the country. And back in twenty twenty he wrote this
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this paper online in an online launch event. He actually launched it. Sorry
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that was a bit tongue tied, wasn't it. But let's go on to
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the paper and see what the paper says and let us the future again.
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Now this paper concentrates actually on pretty much every government department, but I was
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very interested to see what he was writing about health in particular. But he's
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very much on the climate change agenda AI, etc. But on the health
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he says that we've because we've become the fastest growing population in Europe. Then
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by contrast, now we're looking at babies born will have I think it's one
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in three chants of living to over one hundred. The over sixty five population
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will increase to fifteen point four million by twenty thirty. So he's very much
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looking at the aging population. He's very much looking at meat, free meat
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to end the highly polluting dominance of the industrialized farming sector. So very much
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on the climate agenda. But also he seems to know Bill Gates quite well,
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and he seems to respect all of the technology that mister Gates has lined
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up for us. So what has mister Gates lined up for us? Well,
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he said back in twenty twenty that we would have robots. We can
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probably talk about that a bit in extra He also said there was going to
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be ECG smart watches, and we're going to have pills with microscopic cameras inside
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them so that we don't have to have colonoscopies or endoscopis. These are for
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gut conditions, we'll be able to see right through the gut, and custom
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cancer vaccines. And he's also mentioning a company called Selectis, which is a
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gene editing company. So lots of things ahead. Mister Streeting has planned for
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the NHS. But if you want to know more, he has not been
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backward in coming forward about his colorful background. And there is his book where
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Streeting One Boy, two Bills and a fry up and he says, actually
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he's quite lucky to be here because his mum was going to have a termination
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but changed her mind at the last minute. So more to come on West
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Streeting and his ambitions for the NHS. We'll see later today. If he's
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appointed. Okay, thank you, Debbie. Okay, let's continue with the
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electeral theme in a sense, but quick before we get onto they're partly a
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quick review of the Climate Action Week. Yeah. Well, I'm not going
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to go into everything that happened to Climate Action Week, because it was a
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huge event that ran for seven eight days, but we're going to talk about
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the relationship between this event and the organizations behind it and labor policy ultimately,
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right we talks about the NHS. It's one of the big things that they
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touch on. But climate is absolutely front and center in everything. As you've
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probably noticed, you don't have to build a view of the UK column to
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understand that. So Climate Action really happened last week might actually might get a
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piece on it. You can see here from the logo that it is very
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much focused on the delivery of the sustainable development goals. There at the seventeen
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segments of the seventeen goals in the center of the screen there bang in the
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middle of the logo. It's backed by all the usual suspects people that you
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would expect, and I'm going to come back to a few of these as
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we go through, and is run by the organization whose logo is at the
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top there is called E three G which is run by this guy Nick Maybe,
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who is former Blair Downing Street left there in two thousand and five,
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two thousand and six, So Blair very much in the mix here. Also
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Lucy U, who I'm going to talk about more next week regarding her role
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at the Center for Net Zero and Octopus Energy, who are right in the
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thick of this transition program. She's also involved in three CI and the Connected
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Places catapult, as well as being an advisor to Tony Blair at the Institute
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for Global Change and Sundering Dixon de clev who is actually a member of the
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Club of Rome, which is where a lot of this climate agenda has been
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being driven from right since the get go from the nineteen seventies, and the
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Club of Rome's essentially views over population as being one of the most fundamental threats
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facing humanity, and they are constantly pushing this transition towards a renewable, sustainable
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energy system, and that sits right at the heart of labor economic policies.
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We're going to hear now from labor, from Kirstarma himself. You became an
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MP in twenty fifteen, and we're going to see some images from the last
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forty years that energy bills have went up. Three tapes a run a bout
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the hosts making sure that every plug has been switched off. What is your
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solution to the energy costant living crisis. We will set up Great British Energy.
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This is a publicly owned energy company that will ensure that we have renewable
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energy which is cheaper, so bills will be down permanently. So this is
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Great British Energy. It's one of the main manifesto commitments made by the Labor
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Party. They talk about making Britain a clean energy superpower. They're going to
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set up this organization. They say it's going to cut bills. I don't
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think that that's actually going to be the case. They talk about it in
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the context of independence from dictators like Putin right, So the kind of national
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security geopolitical dynamic to this is really important, particularly as we're going to see
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them trying to ram this through. Right. This is going to be a
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big, a big push to implement this new energy infrastructure. It talks about
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six hundred and fifty thousand new high quality jobs. If this is a publicly
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owned entity. Then that's basically replaced. That's like half of the NHS again
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on the public sectors payroll. Like this is a huge number of people they're
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looking to employ, and it's going to take a radical transformation of the country
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ultimately, right, So it's not just about new jobs, it's about transforming
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physical infrastructure and bull dozing through planning ledgers in particular. Right. So startmar
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was talking to Sky News recently and basically said that we didn't have to worry
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about implementing his plans because planning can be changed very very quickly. Right,
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So I think we should expect to see some things happening in the next few
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weeks even which are going to transform the way that major infrastructure projects are approved
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and implemented. Only approve major infrastructure projects, right, green infrastructure projects,
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well exactly, yes, yes, So there's going to be a whole new
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bunch of legales and terminology that's going to dictate what can and can't happen in
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the country. And I actually think that we're going to see the destruction of
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major parts of our cities. They're talking about building on the green belt.
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We've already seen you know, a lot of agricultural land put over to solar
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and wind farms for example. The implications of this are absolutely huge. Yeah,
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it's all been driven out of a public private marketplace. We talked about
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this one organization earlier in the UK REEF, which is the State Investment and
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Infrastructure Forum helping to build back better, right, So this is literally a
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World Economic Forum referencing organization. And just this morning they've expressed their excitement about
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working very closely with Kiss Starmer and the Labor Party, building on the long
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relationship that they've already established since they were set up working with Rachel Reeves,
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Angela Rayner and a bunch of other people in the shadow cabinet. And who
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are now going to be running the country ultimately or are they going to be
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running the country because actually when you look behind the scenes or sits behind it,
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it's global corporate right. So this again this morning from Hull Hull Ball,
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the UK managing partner of Ernstin young e Y, the World Economic Forum
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strategic partner Big Global consulting firm, crowing about the fact that he had Starmer
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in his office earlier on this year to talk about the enormous transformation programs and
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the big business. Ultimately the huge levels of global investment and as I would
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understand that asset stripping are going to have to take place in order for this
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agenda to be rolled out. We also had a lady called Sia Gambari who
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runs the UK consulting team at EY. She has about thirteen hundred people walking
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reporting into her. She was very excited about seeing Starma at that event a
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few months ago. She's also been over in the UN because obviously the UN
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are a client of e Y, and she's super excited to be there photographed
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wearing her UN jumper. Essentially looking to implement UN policy in the UK and
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completely override the nation state. Right, That's what we're looking at here.
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A lot of that's going to be driven by this woman who's Kim Pikel,
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who is a Kiwi. She's from New Zealand, but she's here in London
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in the UK talking about the extreme change that we need to go through.
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It's it exciting to work at the intersection of innovation, sustainability, strategy,
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purpose and technology with our clients. And she's not just running sustainability in the
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UK three why she's also an imagined leader and I spoke about Imagine about a
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month ago now, which is the organization run by Paul Polman, who,
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amongst other things, is an SDG advocate as well as being a trustee of
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the Rockefeller Foundation, where a lot of this stuff is formulated and handed down
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from right so you can see exactly how this is going from the top level
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right down into the frontline of British politics. Talking of that, let's have
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a little listen to Georgia Gould, Mayor of Camden, talking about this new
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public private partnership at Connected Places Catapult earlier this year. I've just been talking
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about free CI, which is a really exciting program that brings together councils from
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around the country with finance that wants to invest into real climate projects in communities.
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So I was just talking about the scale of opportunity if we work together
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where finance, counsels and communities to really get somewhere on that zero. My
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call for action would be to support real projects on the ground around that zero.
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There is so much that we need to do to actual fit our buildings,
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to invest in green space, to make our bold climate ambitions of reality
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on the grounds, and councilors are at the forefront of that, working alongside
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communities. So if there's technology or finance or ideas about how we can make
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this happen in places around the UK, please work with your local council so
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public private marketplace. Dictionary definition of fascism. Georgia Gould's best mates with Starmar.
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She's actually mayor of Camden, his constituencies in Camden. They're always hanging
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around together. The three CI, the organization she just described, is actually
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working with a political foundation or I spoke about last week. This was literally
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announced this morning. So we can see how all these things are coming together
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and how they're going to ram it through democratic innovation like we talked about,
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and let's hear from Taudia Chalis, the founder of democracy next, how could
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we change the way in which decisions really did to housing and infrastructure and mobility
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get taken every time they have to be taken. And so we did this
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work because we see these sorts of issues are the same all over the world.
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Before we launched this, we did interviews with people in different countries those
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different rules. Actually we spoke to some of your colleagues in Camden even I
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remember at that stage and there's just a shared sense of these problems being shared
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in cities around the world, and we really believe that we don't just need
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different policy solutions to these issues that we're facing all over the place. We
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really need a different way in which we're taking these decisions on an ongoing basis,
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and these new governance models can help break through deadlocks and give legitimacy.
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So there's sometimes hard choices that need to be made that require trade offs.
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They're going to use these democratic innovation techniques to break through situations where trade offs
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need to be made and people just have to do what they're told by the
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state. This is extraordinary stuff that we're looking at and we're going to hear
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about this much more as the months ago on, including next week because the
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Future Great Britain event is happening and obviously knit Zero's front and center on the
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agenda there. Okay, Ben, thank you for that. If you like
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And if you think that you know everything about Agenda twenty one, well
27:51
maybe there are people that you know that don't know, so maybe you'd like
27:55
to pick up a copy and give it to them instead. No, gutsy
28:00
woman, Sandy Adams was I think yesterday? That is now on the UK
28:06
Column website. Sorry that was on Tuesday that that went out, but the
28:10
on demand version is on the website now. Then Doctor Urshula Edgington talking about
28:15
the situation in New Zealand with Debbie is also on the website, and also
28:21
Brand's interview with the second interview with Ja Michael Waller is up on the website
28:26
now as well. If you haven't seen any of those, please have a
28:29
look and share them Debbie's latest blog will be up later today. Sorry for
28:33
the delay on that, but that'll be up later today. And had to
28:37
share that one too now. Reminder of the date for Your Darry which is
28:41
Saturday, the nineteenth of October at a venue in Bristol. We will be
28:45
hosting a live event there with quite a number of really interesting speakers, so
28:51
do get along to that if you can keep that date in your Darry.
28:53
More details coming soon, and the second volume of the Pfizer Pit is now
29:00
available now apparently this is going to be sold on Amazon in the UK this
29:06
time round. The first volume was not available in the UK, but this
29:08
will be so if you'd like to pick that up you could get a copy.
29:12
It's available for pre order at Amazon. And a reminder of the question
29:18
here is do you trust your local council And the answer of course is no.
29:22
But this event is asking or at least giving people the opportunity to get
29:26
informed. So join the Rally for Insanday on Sunday the seventh of July at
29:30
two pm at the Guildhall. That's at Bath News Consul so it's in Bath,
29:34
so join those people for that if you possibly can. A piece of
29:40
news for everybody. The name David Halbern has been mentioned many many times on
29:44
this program and it now seems that he has decided to leave the Nudge unit.
29:48
So he's outside the Nudge unit. This is the statement that they made.
29:53
David Halpern, the Finding Director and President Behavioral Insights Team, will be
29:59
moving on from his rule and the team from July the thirty first, twenty
30:03
twenty four. It's a big moment for the team. David has led a
30:06
bit from its inception in Tent Dining Street in twenty ten, through its growth
30:10
and transition to two hundred and fifty person social purpose company that has conducted work
30:15
in more than seventy five countries across the world. He leaves the team with
30:19
the most extensive forward work program that has ever had. Where pleased to announced,
30:23
David will retain a connection to the team as President emeritus. There you
30:27
go, and we'll continue to have close links with the team in areas of
30:32
joint interest. And of course we should also remember that this is the same
30:34
David Halburn that was a member of the Spy B Sage Subcommittee on Exploiting Fear
30:41
or well on behavior slid Behavioral Science. This was the group which decided that
30:47
the media needed to increase a sense of personal threat in March twenty twenty to
30:52
make sure that everybody followed the lockdown policy and got their vaccinations once it became
30:56
available. And let's just get a quick quote here from Spybee. They said
31:03
at the time, it's a substantial number of people do not feel sorry,
31:08
still do not feel sufficiently personally threatened. The perceived level of personal threat needs
31:14
to be increased amongst those who are complacent, using hard hitting emotional messaging.
31:18
Social disapproval from one's community can play an important role in preventing antisocial behavior or
31:25
discouraging failure to enact pro social behavior. And this is very moust in nature.
31:30
And they weren't only using these types of behavioral psychology on people, but
31:37
they were also spying on people quite a lot. So they were talking about
31:41
this is March twenty twenty one, a year later, Behavioral Considerations for Vaccine
31:45
Update in Phase two and beyond and talking about using cell phone mobility data to
31:52
watch how people were moving around the population and comparing how far people were moving
31:56
from their home base, whether between vaccinate VACX needed a non vaccinated people and
32:00
whether they were attending vaccination centers and so on. But don't worry, because
32:05
it was all happening, happening in an anonymoused and aggregated GDBR compliant manner,
32:10
so no need to worry at all. So anyway, we look to see
32:15
what Halpern moves on to with interest, and well maybe that'll give us a
32:20
clue as to what's coming next. Debbie. Let's move on then to vaccinations
32:28
in pregnancy. David Helpin's going to be very busy at the Fleming Initiative Room
32:36
rolling out the new behavioral styop for antimicrobial resistance, but maybe that's for another
32:40
news. So yeah, last week we were talking about the hooping cough vaccine
32:45
for pregnant women, and we know that the NHS are trying to promote pregnant
32:51
women to have this injection between sixteen and thirty two weeks. So I wanted
32:55
to explore vaccinations in pregnancy, and our very good friend Cheryl Granger has very
33:00
kindly joined us to explain a bit more. So, Cheryl, I'm going
33:06
to hand over to you now to explain what you know about vaccination in pregnancy.
33:14
Hello everybody, Thanks Debbie. I suppose the first question to ask is
33:19
do you actually know too much about vaccines yourselves, the ones that you've had,
33:22
the ones that your children have had, the ones that pregnant ladies are
33:25
going to be having. So I'd like to just show you what's happened over
33:31
the last kind of one hundred years. We've actually got a decline in all
33:37
diseases the word us a long time ago. Very few people are in that
33:44
position have been threatened by these conditions now. So the one that we're going
33:49
to mention, or Debbie is just mentioned, is hooping cough, which goes
33:52
by the fancy name produces. When the vaccines came in for a lot of
33:55
these known childhood conditions, they actually had a decline, a very steep decline
34:05
of people who were actually threatened by those conditions. So kind of bear that
34:09
in mind. The other thing to point out that everything is related back to
34:15
what happens in the States. So in the States, in nineteen eighty six,
34:19
we got Congress passing the National Childhood Vaccine Injury out of the PREP Act,
34:23
And that happened because the manufacturers stated that they could not afford to continue
34:29
compensating for the excessive amount of injuries and desks caused by their products. So
34:34
what did the government do. They made it that they got complete immunity was
34:38
awarded to them. And then that's when the childhood schedule took off, and
34:43
that's why they're very keen to get products, vaccine products licensed for children.
34:47
So the result of that was what were the safety studies, Like, what
34:54
were they actually looking at in the safety stay studies? Can we go back
35:00
one? Yeah, so here we can see this a whole schedule looks like
35:07
a very busy thing. But on the right hand side you've got a yes
35:10
or no as to whether these studies, these vaccine studies actually had a percibo
35:15
control and most of them, as you've got new vaccines coming out, always
35:20
had the control as the previous vaccine which hadn't had a safety study done on
35:24
it, So that's something to point out. The other thing to point out
35:30
is the other things that could have been compared with it. So in some
35:35
instances like chicken pox that was compared as a control with neomycin which is antibiotic,
35:42
and something like hepe and guardacil that had the aluminium adjutant actually in the
35:50
control group, and that means that they were actually putting into the control group
35:58
a substance can be damaging to the body. So moving on, just to
36:05
look at the drugs that have been used. So let's look at Phizer's top
36:12
selling five drugs. You can see there the normal safety review period for a
36:16
normal ethical medicine is actually quite a number of years. But when we get
36:22
to their third best selling drug, which is the new macoccal vaccine, and
36:30
then you can see there it was only looked at for half a year and
36:35
it was actually controlled against the previous new maccle vaccine. And again, if
36:42
we look at a whole list of vaccines on the right hand side, there
36:45
you can see that some of them the safety review period was a few days,
36:49
which seems absolutely ridiculous in terms of looking at any safety issues that related
36:52
to these safety related to these vaccines. So what we're talking about, we're
37:00
talking about vaccines and the effect that they have on children in particular, and
37:09
I'd like to point some points out about children and vaccines children's immunity systems,
37:16
because if you're giving a pregnant woman a vaccine little affect a fetus or a
37:22
baby, then when that baby's born, there could be effects. So let
37:29
me make you aware of the fact that critical development of the human brain actually
37:36
is very important up to the ages about three years old, and any acute
37:40
inflammation that the body undergoes is basically linked to inflammation. The immune system is
37:49
not developed enough to receive a vaccine at this stage, and therefore you're not
37:52
going to start developing immunity to anything given until the age of two. But
37:58
obviously they can be very seriou effects from that inflammation that's created by those preparations
38:05
that you're given. So that's why you must give more than one vaccination in
38:13
childhood for a lot of these vaccines, because you don't get the effect that
38:16
you want, the immunity effect, and therefore you have to repeat it.
38:21
You might get other effects, you might get side effects, but you're not
38:23
getting the immune effects, and therefore, if you have a chance, it's
38:28
probably best to push any vaccines that you feel that you might get a benefit
38:34
from into at a later age group if you possibly can. So, Debbie
38:42
wanted to say if you wanted, Cheryl, I know we're going to go
38:45
on to the UKHSA, and I know you've got a comment to make about
38:50
the UKHSA. In a second so I'm going to go back to you for
38:53
that, but I want to highlight to go back to the hoopingcore vaccine because
39:00
you've highlighted about general vaccines. Last week we talked about the HOOPINGCOF vaccine,
39:05
and if pregnant mums out there are considering having this hoopingcore vaccine, I'd like
39:10
to ask them what they think they're having because most people that I've spoken to,
39:15
if I've said a hoopingcore vaccine, they expect to get that right.
39:20
However, they would be wrong. If we look at the pre natal potussis
39:23
vaccine change a letter that was written by the uk HSA, you'll see that
39:30
they're using Adasal. That's the vaccine they're using, which is made by Sanofi.
39:35
Let's not forget Professor Graham Cook at the MHRA. One of his revolving
39:39
doors is Sanofi. But this ad Asol, it's not just if we could
39:45
just go back a slide very quickly, because I just want to show you
39:49
that it's not just a vaccine for hooping cough. It's actually a combination of
39:54
tetanus, diphtheria patussis, which is hooping cough, and non inactivated polio.
40:01
So ladies, you're not just getting one solution for hooping cough. You're getting
40:08
a lot more. It also recommends that you have the injection between sixteen and
40:14
twenty weeks, but you can have it up to thirty two weeks. So
40:16
I went and had a look at the manufacturer's instructions and at the FDA.
40:22
And when I looked at the FDA, I found out that they were recommending
40:28
that this immunization should not take place until the third trimester of pregnancy, which
40:35
is in direct conflict with what the UKHSA is saying between sixteen and thirty two
40:42
weeks. Clearly the FDA are saying third trimester, which is twenty eight weeks
40:47
at a pregnancy's forty weeks duration, right from twenty eight weeks. It also
40:52
says, with regards to lactation, that it is not known whether add asyll
40:55
vaccine components are excreted in human milk. Data are not available to assess the
41:01
effects of administration of addisol on breastfed infants or on milk. I'm wondering whether
41:07
pregnant women are being informed of this at all. Be interesting to hear from
41:12
some of them. It also says it's not a proof for individuals less than
41:16
ten years of age. So those are the facts when it comes to addasol.
41:22
But I think my final question has got to be back to Cheryl for
41:25
just the last segment, really is what is your message to women who are
41:31
pregnant who may be considering having a vaccination Charyl. Yeah, Well, if
41:37
you're if you've got this relationship with your baby, then you protect them because
41:44
anything around them, any bugs around them, you are making antibodies too,
41:47
and you will actually pass on antibodies to them through breastfeeding, and therefore that
41:55
kind of questions whether you need any vaccines. So what we should be asking
42:00
is what can we inject you with should be replaced by how can we support
42:06
the child's immune system to work effectively? And that is very important, especially
42:10
in the pregnant mum and especially in the child. And you might like to
42:15
know that the HSA has been basically looking at a surveillance program on the safety
42:24
of certain vaccines by looking at people who've been given vaccines inadvertently during pregnancy or
42:31
shortly before conception. So that's what they based their safety information on. Whether
42:37
you've been given something by mistake and therefore whether you get a bad reaction to
42:40
it. Cheryl, thank you so much for joining me. I'm sure there'll
42:45
be much more on this topic in the very near future. Okay, thank
42:49
you Debbie and Cheryl, and I just want to put this graphic bag on
42:52
screen again and just clarify something there, because charl was making the point that
42:55
if you look at the right hand side of each of those graphs, which
42:59
is on the left hand side of the screen, you'll see where the vaccines
43:04
were introduced, and you'll see, as Cheril was making the point that the
43:08
effectively, effectively the diseases had been beaten already before the vaccines are introduced.
43:14
And the point I wanted to make was that what we tend to see the
43:16
graphs, the versions of these graphs that we tend to see published, are
43:21
just showing the very right hand side of that where of course they were the
43:25
disease were already beaten, and just going to draw a parallel there to what
43:30
happens with climate science as well, where they tend only show a very number
43:35
of very few number of years, implying therefore that we have this massive rise
43:38
in temperature, when in fact, if we extend the graph over a couple
43:44
of thousand years, several thousand years into the past, we don't see the
43:47
same trends. So so the graphs that Cheryl were showing there were showing a
43:52
bit more detail that we tend to get from the publications that we normally see.
44:00
So anyway, I want to mention this article. It's on the UK
44:02
column website. It's entitled COVID nineteen vaccination Mechanisms of Neurodegenerative Disease. This is
44:07
from Dr Mike Williams. So just keep that on screen there for a second.
44:12
I mean, what this is talking about is the fact that early experiments
44:16
have been linking spike co protein to neuro degenerative disease. One study showed that
44:23
spike protein has caused other proteins to fold, producing water described as amyloid like
44:30
proteins, and that misfolded proteins cause severe and fatal neurodegenerative diseases like dementia,
44:37
at least they look like dementia. The study, the latest study highlighted in
44:42
this article, demonstrates that the incidence of dementia and its precursor MCI increased significantly
44:49
in the mr NA vaccinated. It's talking about an early paper suggesting that preon
44:54
proteins, which are proteins that cause other proteins to fold and cause lethal diseases
44:59
like croud filled Yakub disease, may be formed as a result of genetic changes
45:04
in the sprite protein in the mRNA vaccines, and that preon's are a subcategory
45:09
of amyloid proteins. It goes on to say then that even if we accept
45:15
the need for the elderly to be vaccinated, and of course many people don't,
45:19
I think, including us, one has to ask the question why,
45:22
in the face of all the evidence against the need to continue vaccination and no
45:28
need for normal, healthy people and young people to be vaccinated, do they
45:30
keep on attempting to force vaccination on everybody? And doctor Mike Williams here asking
45:36
if we unnecessarily create dementia in older people, does that set up a need
45:43
to euthanize as we already see a global push to increase assistant death. I
45:49
think these are very good points, and I'd like to just encourage anybody that
45:52
hasn't seen that article to read it and share it if you possibly can,
45:59
and just quickly mentioned this one as well. This is in the in the
46:00
Daily Skeptic. This is entitled the Devastating Chartsheet against Pfiser. This is by
46:07
doctor Carl Hennegan and he's going through all the various points about Pfizer and the
46:13
Pfiser MRI jobs and so on. I just wanted to take the opportunity,
46:16
since that article has been published in the last few days, to remind everybody
46:21
about the UK Situation Room, which is a list of all the Pfiser modernate
46:27
documents and their analysis in short analysis of each with links to the full analysis
46:34
reports that are available for those So do have a look at all of that
46:39
information if you possibly can. Now let's move on then racial politics, Yeah,
46:50
just the trivial issues on a Friday on UK column. I'm going to
46:52
start by posing a question to our Afro Caribbean brothers and sisters here in the
46:58
UK, which is who is leading you? Where are they taking you,
47:01
what methods are they using to take you there? And what cost to your
47:06
community and to British society more broadly. So this is building on a report
47:13
that Childhood on Wednesday, absolutely staggering video and report that's been issued from the
47:21
Church of England talking about racial justice and to me This is really using neo
47:28
Marxist ideologies to manipulate your way into positions of parent authority and to basically take
47:35
over traditional institutions like the church. Right, this is really not good stuff,
47:38
and I'll get into exactly why in a moment. But it's not just
47:42
happening in the church. It's happening everywhere else too. It's happening in the
47:45
market, it's happening in the state. And the organization I've been following for
47:47
quite some time and I'm going to talk about today is this one Black Equity
47:52
Organization. So this was founded in twenty twenty on the back of the BLM
47:57
movement and the huge output of rage and violence that was triggered by the death
48:01
of George Floyd over in the US. It's very high profile and well backed.
48:06
You can actually see the probably future Foreign Secretary David Lammy on the bottom
48:10
left hand side of the screen now, right, So there's a lot of
48:13
very high profile figures involved in this, and the terminology is incredibly important.
48:17
Right, I'm going to read this out because this is really the crucial point.
48:20
It's Black equity organization, equity and equality. What's the difference between those
48:24
two things. Equality means every person, group of people, or segment of
48:29
society gets the same opportunities, resources, and support. Now, I think
48:34
that's what we should be aiming for. But equity goes further. People with
48:37
different circumstances, those who have been historically marginalized and oppressed, for example,
48:43
receive varying levels of opportunities and support, so they are able to reach an
48:46
outcome equal to others. It levels things up. Both concepts are essentially about
48:52
fairness, but while equality sees everyone treated the same, equity achieves this by
48:55
taking into account people's different starting points. So this is possitive discrimination in other
49:00
words? Or is that the right way to look at us? I just
49:04
call it Marxism, right? Is it communism? Yeah, because in order
49:07
to enforce equity, you have to have a totalitarian state who are equally involved
49:13
in every single part of your life. There's no other way to administer this.
49:16
Yeah. And they talk about dismantling obstacles, getting everyone to the same
49:21
starting point and ensuring that people have what they need to achieve a balanced outcome.
49:24
Right, this is about equality of outcomes. Yeah, It's not about
49:28
equality. This is about artificially reordering the system. In order to put certain
49:34
people in positions as they wouldn't have been in if we just let it alone,
49:37
right, And on the face of it, that sounds like a good
49:38
thing to do, but actually where this leads to is extremely bad. Right,
49:43
It's a really, really, really bad place. And actually these ideas
49:45
of social justice and racial justice are the same ones that are informed regimes like
49:52
the Khmer rouge in Cambodia. I've shown this image before. I've been in
49:55
that room as the S twenty one talty chamber in pnom Pen and and that
50:00
action, what happened to that individual on that bed there happened to nearly two
50:06
million other people in Cambodia. Actually, there is an enormous genocide that took
50:09
place of their own citizens based on the principles of equity and social justice.
50:14
Is one of the reasons actually why I do the work that I do,
50:16
and I sit here in UK coot. I'm talking about this stuff because I
50:20
know how bad these scenes can get if we allow them to get as progressed
50:23
as they potentially can do. And they are actually right at the heart of
50:28
the cultural debate and the political debate here in the UK today. Right,
50:31
this is absolutely live right now and it's an extraordinarily dangerous situation that I see
50:37
it's moving into. So back to BEEO. They're extremely political. They've been
50:42
working with Operation Black Vote to help get out the vote in the general election.
50:47
Operation Black Vote was established by Lord Willey of Romford, who I've spoken
50:51
about a lot in the past. This is a still from a video that
50:53
he made with Marianna Spring promoted promoting COVID vaccines two people of color as they
51:00
like to call it. Right, So you've really got to question his judgment
51:05
and the judgment of his organization and the methods used by him. And that
51:08
organization, regardless of race, has got absolutely nothing to do with his skin
51:14
color or his racial background. Right is to do what he's done, and
51:17
these organizations have done and are doing and are going to do in the future
51:22
if we allow this stuff to continue. Let's have another look at the mission
51:25
of black equity organizations. So they exist to promote economic, legal, social
51:30
and political equity and at the bottom there we can see we are here to
51:34
be a powerful advocate for black people in the UK and work towards the dismantling
51:38
of systemic racism in our society elsewhere in the society. Goes on to say
51:44
that BeO is here to help society wipe out racist views, which is difficult
51:50
to take seriously actually from an organization who positions itself as being for one race.
51:55
If you're for one race, then you have to be racist in some
51:59
sense. Said it's ridiculous to suggest otherwise. They also say here a bit
52:04
further down that bo is serious about hard facts, which is great because we're
52:07
serious about hard facts too. It's what the UK columny is all about.
52:10
Systemic racism, which is a really important term that gets used a lot,
52:15
and we heard it a lot in twenty twenty in particular, and people were
52:19
being asked to come out and make big statements about it and how we were
52:22
going to change ourselves in society in order to address it. But what it
52:25
actually means is policies and practices that exist throughout the society that result in and
52:31
support a continued unfair advantage to some people, an unfair or harmful treatment of
52:37
others based on race. It's a very clear definition. Now, we don't
52:44
live in a systemically racist society in this country. There are no laws,
52:49
no policies or practices that support an unfair advantage to people based on their race.
52:54
They don't exist. And actually we've done more than almost any other nation
52:58
on Earth over the past several decades to make that. So I think that
53:02
we stand out actually as a society in addressing racial issues. I only think
53:07
systemic racism exists in this country at all, and actually the best hard facts,
53:12
the best evidence to support that is looking at the Board of Black Equity
53:16
Organization. We can see here Dame Vivian Hunt, dB, Karen Blackett,
53:21
Obe, Kwame Quay Obe, David Olasuga, OBE, Marsha Willis, Stuart
53:25
Casey, Kings Council, she's a barrister. If we lived in a society
53:30
where people were prevented from progressing to the upper levels because of their race,
53:34
then none of these people would exist. They wouldn't have OBEs, they wouldn't
53:37
be cases. So this is completely ridiculous when you actually examined the hard facts.
53:44
Yeah, you're telling a systemic racism is an issue, But when we
53:46
look at your organization and we look at your backgrounds, we can see that
53:50
it isn't. So what's the agenda at play here? Well, we know
53:53
what it is. It's the same agenda that we talk about all the time.
53:55
It's about progressing a global corporate agenda. Because Dame vi and Hunt,
54:00
who was actually one of the founders of BeO, is also the Chief Innovation
54:04
Officer at United Health Group. Yes, so top top, top level corporate
54:07
people. Right, she's probably earning over a million dollars a year, I
54:09
would imagine in the position, like that's one of the biggest companies in the
54:14
United States and healthcare is the richest sector in the United States. And before
54:17
that, she was the senior partner from McKinsey and Company in the UK.
54:22
She ran McKinsey in the UK, right, the World Economic Forum strategic partner.
54:28
Who else have we got in there? Karen Blackett obe So she was
54:30
the former UKMD of WPP, the big global advertising network whose chief executive Mark
54:36
Reid is a young global leader of the World Economic Forum. She's also very
54:42
active around the courts, so she gets invited to things at the Palace.
54:45
She's also a Freeman or three sister woman of the City of London. Yeah,
54:51
so again didn't appear to be any barriers to progress going on here.
54:54
And she's also really close friends with this woman Jon Sarpom also who I'm going
55:00
to talk about now. Dou Signpong is fascinating because again she sits right in
55:06
the mixt of this racial justice transformation of society narrative that we're constantly being pushed.
55:12
But where's that coming from, right? And what's her background and what's
55:15
she all about? Well, first of all, she's a member of Imagine,
55:17
the same group I talked about earlier. So she works with Paul Pullman,
55:21
who was a trustee of the Rockefeller Foundation, one of the top SDG
55:24
advocates working at the un. She also recently hosted the EY Entrepreneur of the
55:30
Year Award, working directly with Carmine Decibio, the outgoing CEO and chair of
55:35
E Y E Y again a World Economic Forum strategic partner, and carmand de
55:39
Sibio actually being on the Council for Inclusive Capitalism, which is Linda Rothschild's philanthropic
55:45
group. Jinstar Pong is standing alongside him being paid to help them deliver their
55:50
event. There she is at the launch of the Earthshot Prize with Michael Bloomberg.
55:53
Prince William was also there. You can see the social connections and there
55:57
she is hanging around with Mark Karney. Look how much fun they have.
56:00
He's the president of Chatham House. He's on the steering committee of the Builderberg
56:04
Group. He's the chair of the G thirty group of central bankers who oversee
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the Bank of International Sentiments. He's the top central banker in the world.
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And apparently they're type friends. Yeah, good old friends. So again,
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where are the barriers to progress? What else has she been doing? Obviously
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she's into the left wing political thing. She's hanging around a couple of days
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ago with Metti Choban from My Life My say, I don't have time to
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go through all of the logos on the left that you can see them right
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there. And of course that means she's a big support of the Labor Party
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because change. Yeah, we all want change. Yeah, let's have a
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little listen to hers speaking. Now, Well, there's a video stephaniea for
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good. It's June here and today is National voter Registration Day, the last
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day you can register to vote for the upcoming general election. If you give
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an X about your future, vote because it's time for change. So black
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people, be careful who you let speak on your behalf. Okay, thank
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you? Ben. We're just going to end on with Niitto. Next week
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is the NATO Summit. We've been waiting for this all year, and at
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least Nittto has because this is a key event for them. Just so we
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understand what this is about, let's just have a little bit of video of
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them promoting this. Gearing up for the NATO summit next week. The Secretary
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General has met world leaders including President Biden, Prime Minister Trudeau, President Macron,
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Prime Minister Callas, President Zelinski, and President Pellegrini. While in North
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America, mister Stoltenberg met with parliamentarians, think tanks, and the media and
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released NATO's latest defense spending figures would show an upward trajectory of defense spending across
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the alliance. In twenty twenty four, a record twenty three allies are spending
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two percent of their GDP on defense. More and more allies are now really
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stepping up and investing more in our security. Next week we'll be back in
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Washington, D C. For the NATO Summit, celebrating seventy five years of
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the most successful alliance in history. So that's really impressive, isn't it.
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I mean, we should all be celebrating seventy five years of NATO, shouldn't
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we And certainly that video sums it up. So this will be Yeh Staltenberg's
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final NATO summit before he leaves to be replaced by Mark Rudder. And well,
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we'll see where that goes. But what can we say we're looking forward
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to We'll see what happens. Zelenski undiretedly will be there and this is going
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to be mainly focused on Ukraine once again and obviously therefore focused on Russia.
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But the question is do any of the member states have sufficient militaries in order
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to pursue the goals that the NATO summit seems to represent. Well, the
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UK Defense Journal, well, they published this article originally, I think earlier
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in the year, but they were I think it was January, but they
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were tweeting this out yesterday. Royal Navy has two few warships, says Minister.
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This is the Earl of Minto was talking about this earlier in the year,
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and of course this is something that the UK column has been talking about
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for quite some time. The question is why too few? And there are
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two main reasons. First of all, we don't need this metal work that
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we've had in the past, because of course we pursue our geoclinical goals using
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proxies, largely in Syria and Ukraine everywhere proxies. We like to have other
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people fight and die on our behalf. But the other principle here that I
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want to mention is interdependence. We'll be talking about this more in future programs.
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But if you do search on the UK column website for interdependence and read
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the articles that are there that talk about this. This is a fundamental principle
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of globalism and it's something that, of course, if you pursue it as
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a sovereign nation, it assumes that you don't have any independence, that you
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rely on everybody else, and of course you're therefore giving up sovereign some sovereignty
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in order to pursue that. So anyway, NATO published this little graphic as
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well, just to give you an idea of how sort of interdependent we all
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are. Because they're talking about the collaboration that's needed between the various countries,
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the various international organizations like the EU and the United Nations and so on,
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and so this contributes to our safety and our security. But of course what
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we also see increasingly is interdependence with respect and narratives and no opposition within this
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organization and within the countries that are members of it and within the countries that
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are also aligned with it. So an extremely dangerous situation. Well more to
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talk about this next week and the NATO summit actually takes place, but just
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to let you know what's happening and we can imagine what comes after it.
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Will be interested to see who Keir Starmer decides to send to it. And
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we've got to leave it there for today, so I'm going to say thank
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you very much to Ben, to Debbie and de Cheryl. We'll be back
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in a couple of minutes for some extra hope. If you're not a UK
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column member and you're not joining us for extra hope, you have a great
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weekend and we'll see as usual one pm on Monday. Bye bye, bye bye