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Top Remaining Free Agents (feat. Ryan Ripken) · The 3-0 Take

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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Three O Take, where we talk
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all things Major League Baseball.
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Here's Kyle Corwin and Nate Reyes.
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It all starts right now. Welcome back to the Theo Take
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presented by Sea Geek. This is episode 502.
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I'll be your host, Kyle Corn. I'm here with my Co host Nate
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Reyes. Nate.
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Hey. Hi.
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How you doing? Look at us.
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The tan. I like this.
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All about the crew neck life these days.
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Might have to adapt it. I mean if I steal that.
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Go for it. I mean I'm I'm hoodie for life,
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but I'm I'm the crew neck life. Is it almost I'm dabbing in it.
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It's like double s, it double s, you know what I mean?
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It it double s up as like perfect at home but also like
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you throw a pair of jeans on and like.
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I think it's widely accepted in most in most settings.
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Good for you. Thank you.
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Before we get into it, Barista Bryce, can I just.
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Bro, that was it. That was it.
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That was. We got it.
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Can we talk about Barista Bryce for just a second?
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Unbelievable. I mean, where's this been all my
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life? I love it.
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I'm so here for it. Where has Barista Bryce been all
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my life? This is the kind of content
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shout out Bryce Harper. This is the kind of content we
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need. And by we really just 30 years,
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30 years old and older. Honestly, like I don't know if
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the if you know if the kids care as much about barista Bryce, but
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I'll tell you what, it hits the spot.
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And I'm not even really a coffee guy, but I'll tell you what,
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when I saw this, when I saw these barista Bryce TikTok
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videos, I within the hour, I found myself going to buy an
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iced coffee. So do what you will with that
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information, but the the. Have you have you dabbled in the
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other ones like the I got? I got real cut up on a on a
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banana bread 1 You made homemade banana bread?
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Banana bread. It was like the sliced banana,
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like shaped out like on top. And I was like, that's a classy
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touch. I had no idea.
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Unbelievable. Big time here for it.
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Not at all surprised by the bougie ingredients, by the way.
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Not at all surprised. Every ingredient is ridiculous
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like he I think he uses like coconut sugar.
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I mean, look at this. What is that?
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What is that? Yeah, I'm here for it, though.
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I love it. Yeah.
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I love it. I'm so glad that you and I had
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the same mentality, and I'm so glad we held off on what it was
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going to be. Did I give it away Where I was
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like, I have something that's like positive that we can
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actually start a show with something positive for once, I
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didn't give it away. No, you didn't give it away
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because at that point I was still racking my brain.
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I'm like, what? What's something I can start off
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with off the top here? But then it it it hit me.
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I was like I was I was all in on the barista Bryce content like
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yesterday and just needed to jog the memory a little bit.
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But we. Need more of that.
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Some things just grab the attention.
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Dare I say too little too late though?
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Like I would have loved to have seen the No, I'm I take that
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back. This look, this is the perfect
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chapter in life. So are we.
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You're right. You're absolutely right.
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Happening in the perfect time. Now I'm going to you know what
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I'm going to do? I'm going to show this to some
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some people in my life, some some Co workers, some friends
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who do not keep up with the evolution of Bryce Harper's
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career. That seems well, he's.
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Probably just pegged him as as a jerk at 16 and just stayed
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there. And, and then you know what I'm
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going to do? I'm going to show him this
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picture. I'm going to say, you're going
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to tell me that guy. You're going to tell me that guy
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:) hoodie. He's, he's wearing a :) hoodie
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with a beanie on and he's holding this a loaf of banana
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bread. You're going to tell me that
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guy's the jerk that you egged at 16?
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Get out of here, the caption Bed, Bath and bananas.
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That's so good, I'm super here for it.
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Where is it? There was this, he's holding up
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the whole milk talking about how you know when we don't have raw
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milk. This is my next go to and I'm
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like. Bougiest ingredients, I love it.
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Unbelievable what one of one Bryce Harper.
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I'm here for the barista Bryce content.
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You're going to need more of that all right, let's talk some
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talk some current events here. Let's talk free agents yet to
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find a home. I was going to title the episode
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like homeless free agents, but I'm like that's that's that's in
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poor taste. But it's a little click baity.
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But they are, the reality of it is, is they are as of this
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moment as of jobless, 1032 jobless, correct?
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That's that's correct. As as of 10:33 PM Eastern on
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Monday, January 13th, these players that we're about to
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discuss are without a job. So let's just start start right
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off the top here. Which means one of these guys is
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absolutely signing, but before the next episode, so you're
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welcome. Everybody, you're welcome.
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We, we are the straw that stirs the drink.
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That's right. You're welcome.
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There he goes here. Right off the top, we are the
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straw that stirs the iced latte, the Bryce latte, the Bryce to
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latte. Alex Bregman.
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Do I do I think that he's going to end up on the Red Sox?
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Thanks for asking, Nate. You're welcome at this at this
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point. At this point, yes, I do.
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Oh, I do. And there's a lot of speculation
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as to whether what's happening right now with Alex Bregman is
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just the Red Sox waiting it out. And I got to say, I think I
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subscribed to that philosophy, to that belief that they want
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Bregman. They're the Red Sox are
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ultimately OK figuring out another option for Rafael Devers
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positionally, whether and whether it be first base or DH
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and they want to make Alex Bregman their their corner guy.
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I just, I don't know if that's smart though, because I wouldn't
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want to put it past the Tigers because if, if, if the reports
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are true, if it is ultimately the Red Sox and the Tigers as
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the final two in the hunt for Alex Bregman.
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Do I think that the Red Sox should or do I rather, do I
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think the Tiger should be any sort of financial threat to the
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Red Sox, given that the Red Sox are, at the end of the day, the
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Boston Red Sox and they should behave as such?
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No, I don't think the Tiger should be any sort of threat.
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But I would also wouldn't put it past them.
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Like, if that's the guy that you want, we've seen it play out
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with other free agents that maybe you were, you were
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connected to, that you were maybe in on maybe even a front
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runner for at one point, but you lost out because you try to get
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too cute with it. So if you want Alex Bregman,
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just go get Alex Bregman because you have yet to really spend
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significant money yet. You've you've acquired guys via
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trades, via savvy, you know, moves at the table, but you have
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yet to you've yet to go out and get that free agent.
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You've extended guys, sure, but you have yet to go out and cut a
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check for a free agent significant check.
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So, I mean, because of what I was reading a few days ago,
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probably last week at this point, I guess.
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I mean, I guess we can get into it later, but I feel like now is
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the right time like that. Aronato getting moved is solely
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down to the Red Sox at this point.
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Like no one else is going to be doing it.
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It's either the Red Sox or he's not moving.
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That's what I'm reading. There's the rye guy.
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Been too long, rye guy. Ryan, where you at?
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Can we get do? You think he's got his mic on
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him. He's just going to.
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He's going to hop in the studio at this.
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Point the people just need Ryan Ripken in his car.
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I saw he's doing, he's doing, he's doing Tik toks walking down
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the street now. Have you seen this?
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Oh, I know. We'll just like, it's like it's
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just snowing. There's no one else on the
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street. It could be 2:00 AM for all I
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know. All right, he said.
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Drop a link I can hop in. Right, guys coming.
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Let's get Ryan right, guys. It's been so long.
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How do I how do? How do I send him the link?
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Mid EP mid live sesh. I'm going to send him the link.
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Let's get let's get him in here. I know he's fixing his hair
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right now. Right where you at?
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Should I even say what I was going to say?
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Go for it. I feel like my my Thunder has
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been stolen a little bit personally, but it's all right
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for Ragi. That's the only place My Thunder
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should go. So there are not, I think like
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we're just, we're just moving on from that.
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We think that's dead. It's bragging or bust.
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If you're asking me as like a Red Sox guy, I'm OK with either.
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At this stage in the game, though, as much as I love Nolan
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Aronado, the the thought of Alex Bregman and the fact that I'm
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going to say positional flexibility, but I don't, I
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don't need him at second base. I just think he's a better at
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this stage in their respective careers.
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I think Alex Bregman is just a better a better option, a better
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fit for that. Here, here's my thing is that
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like I wonder if the conversations being had that a
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trading of a Nolan, an aging Nolan Arenado, an aging probably
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on the on the downhill slide of his career, Nolan Arnotto.
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I don't think it's a strong enough move to move Devers off
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of third base. I don't know if it's a strong
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enough reason. You see what I'm saying?
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Are we talking? Bregman.
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No, for Arnotto. I don't know if getting Arnotto
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does that move justice. I think getting a Bregman for
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six years, I think moves Devers out of third base a little.
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It's an easier conversation, I think versus taking on an aging
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third baseman with a lot of dead cash and who will likely not
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live up to majority of that contract.
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Whereas Bregman, there's still some hope there.
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That's my opinion on it. Well, if you're talking like
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defensive urgency or or defensive?
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Of course Nolan's better than Bregman.
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I do agree there. I'm just saying overall to move
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your your franchise superstar out of his position, whether
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it's a good thing or not. Of course almost any other
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defensive replacement is going to give you an uptick than what
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Devers has provided. But to move it's, I think it's
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just the optics of it to move your superstar off the third
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base. But the the problem.
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Is fat contract of a Nolan Arenado and an offensive
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question mark? Now see, I don't, I don't
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necessarily think it's it, it would be bad optics because he's
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he's ending up as ADH anyway. And if, if you're bringing him,
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sure, like I, I get it aging. But if you're bringing in one of
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the better the defensive third baseman we've seen in our
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lifetime, even if it's for a couple of years, that's to me,
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that's all the more reason to expedite the process of getting
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Rafi to the, to the DH slot. And, and Bregman, you could say
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the same thing. I, I would argue Nolan bringing
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in Nolan is more of a reason to push Rafi off a third because at
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least with Brett, if you brought in Bregman, you could be like,
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well, we could try them at 2nd and experiment with that and see
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how that goes. Even though I, I don't think
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that's really in the plans. I think that's just lip service,
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but I don't know. I don't know either.
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I don't know either. I am surprised that Bregman
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hasn't signed yet. I do think that if the Tigers go
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towards Bregman and make that happen and reunite with AJ
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Hinch, I think that gives them a lot of flexibility because that
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infield is super deep. There's a lot of pieces there
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that they could then move to add and bolster that rotation, which
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is what we all know is what they needed in the postseason last
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year. The Tigers need to add to that
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and it feels like maybe the rest of the free agent pool would be
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forcing that. It feels like they maybe weren't
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in the hunt for some of these bigger names.
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And so I think that their best bet is to kind of look to what's
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available in the market and then move some of your ass, your
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assets that are a little bit deeper.
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I think it Torkelson could be could grab a lot of attention
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and there's a lot of teams that are missing out on 1st baseman
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or struggling in that area or maybe even needing some
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right-handed pop that you, you know, if you wanted to bring in
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a Bregman. I think they talked about who
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who are they putting at first right now?
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I'm having a conversation about is it Colt Keith, I assume I
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can't remember. I they they have like what seems
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like 6 middle infielders that are just kind of spread out
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right now. In the addition of Glaber,
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Torres is interesting. Oh, true.
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Yeah, yeah, no, you're absolutely right.
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I completely I completely forgot about the Glaber signing.
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So as of right now, there's. Question marks there he's.
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Pegged at 2nd and Cole Keith is projected to be the first
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baseman. And then you have Torkelson at
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DH. So like, are you done with
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Torkelson? Like that's, that's what I'm
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saying, is that if you do bring in another infielder like a
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Bregman, which seems to be the most obvious one, it's showing
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Carrie, it's. Showing Carrie Carpenter at at
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the DH lot. Torgelsen's not even in the mix
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here. Yeah, see.
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And then I, I just, I think it's time to start shopping that
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maybe, you know, it's been a little bit of a weird ride.
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He's a first round pick. He's a he's obviously Got
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Talent. Maybe just a little bit of a
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change of scenery, but like being sent down and still not
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really figuring it out. I don't know, maybe it's time to
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move on. Speaking of change of scenery,
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let's. There he is.
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Let's get the right guy in here. Look at the beard.
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Bearded rye guy. Oh, we can't hear him.
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This guy's Oh my goodness. Oh my, I thought he was buttoned
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up at this point. Oh, here we go.
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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, there we go.
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Yeah, yeah. He talks all the time about all
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the stuff we did to to teach him the ropes and they're really
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going. And clearly we didn't teach him
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how to turn the mic on. We're, we're back to the
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beginning right now, right? But always a pleasure, guys.
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Hey, happy 500th by the way. Thank you.
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Appreciate you Rye. I'm.
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I'm I'm well behind you guys on my side.
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But what I was saying about the beard, Nate was a playoff beard
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in Baltimore, You know, Ravens, Hey, that that's been the busy
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time for us. Obviously baseball's heating up.
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That's where we get a lot of the synergy from.
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You know, I can't wait for baseball season.
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But yes, football is still buzzing as long as the Ravens
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are staying in the in the hunt here so.
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I'm in. I was just telling Kyle at it
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before we hopped on him in a I'm in a fantasy postseason or a
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playoff league and Derrick Henry went in for me so.
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You're welcome. Big, big Ravens guy on the AFC
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side at least. So good for you, guy, good for
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you. It's about time you had you had
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you had a little little momentum being carried in Baltimore, you
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know what I mean, that getting a first playoff victory is
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sometimes a big step over there. What?
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Wait a minute, they had one last.
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Year and I think, I think. It was just an Orioles slate.
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I'm sorry. Yeah, well, that's that's what I
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was saying. It wiped away some of the
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Orioles conversations. But you know what?
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Since you guys were talking about Bregman, you know, and
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talking about the Red Sox, hey, I got to tell you guys and Kyle,
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I think the the Red Sox are actually going to be a bigger
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threat than the Yankees for the season as it moves on.
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Can we just all, since we're all at least guys here, can we just
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acknowledge that the American League is pretty wide open as it
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stands right now? Yes, Yeah.
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Very wide open, I mean. I'm not.
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I'm not happy about it. Yeah, as they, as they sip their
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drinks, well, this, this is actually a great, this is a
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great segue because we're we're talking top, top guys who have
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yet to be signed. Hopefully the the ball gets
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rolling here with the market soon.
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But for the time being, talk to me about a couple of former
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Orioles at this point, Jack Flaherty, Anthony Santander, the
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the report just came out recently that said that both of
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those individuals are open to the idea of shorter term
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contracts in comparison to maybe the longer term contracts that
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they were hoping for. But at this stage of the game, I
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think I don't know if it's smart, but it, it may be the,
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the way the market's gone thus far.
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It's it maybe it's force their hands.
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So talk to me about where you possibly see these guys, where
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you like these as these two as fits?
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So, you know, it's fascinating, right, how this market is kind
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of gone, especially for how it felt like it was really
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sizzling. And so this past year when I
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talked to you guys a little bit, but going to the winter meetings
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and being there and we're setting up shop and you could
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see like the momentum happened. The Soto moved in the Garrett
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crochet trade and then we had these up and down moments.
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But then and it picked back up and now here we are on January
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13th as we're we're talking about this and there's some big
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names still in the market. You guys mentioned Alex Bregman,
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but then talking specifically about Tony Taters, Anthony
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Santander and Jack Flaherty. These are two impactful players.
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And I think that the pitching market side, I'll start with
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Jack. I think that Jack wants a longer
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deal. Which I understand a lot of
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teams don't want to do that. I mean hell, Max Free getting 8
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was so out of the world that no one was going to touch that.
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Then Jax had a little bit of an injury history.
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Great bounce back last year. So which side are you going to
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buy? And it just seems like a lot of
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those teams were saying, yeah, I'd be OK with maybe a two to
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three-year deal if I'd give it to Jack.
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And I think now it's coming to that realization, quite frankly,
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for Jack. I think once Roki makes a
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decision here, that's going to open it up, even though I I will
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say like I think the Giants being ruled out like that seems
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like a good fit if they're interested.
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Still. He's a West Coast guy.
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I just the Oriole conversation to me didn't make the most
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sense. He's good though, man.
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He, he is a very good pitcher. I don't know if you guys watched
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a lot of his difference. Did we talk about Flaherty's
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difference like what he changed from lat from the Orioles year
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and the Cardinals year to last year?
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We. We may have touched on it, but
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tell me more about it though, because I'm, I'm in the camp as
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it stands right now and and maybe you can change my mind on
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it, but I just, I don't think that any degree of length for a
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contract that he would receive would, would age well.
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I just, I just don't like he. I just feel like he's going to
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have to be maybe not for well, I mean, he, he's at, he's at a
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point now in his career where this kind of has to be the
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opportunity for him to, to, to grab one of those longer deals.
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But he maybe it's just, if he doesn't get the deal he's
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looking for now, he may just have to piece together 2-3 year
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deals for the remainder of his career, sort of like a Nathan
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Ievaldi is starting to do. I guess at this stage of his
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career maybe takes that sort of route, But I just, I just don't
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think his body of work, his his, his skill set.
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Maybe I just don't know if it's going to age well because it it
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lacks consistency I feel like. Yeah, I mean, the bigger thing
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for I saw with Jack, I mean, look, he was dynamite when he
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came out of when he broke out into the scene, right.
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You know, his first couple years were really, really good and
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then he dealt with injuries and a little bit of inconsistency
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and then it was kind of like, all right, what Jack Flaherty
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we're going to get. And then in 2023 it wasn't very
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good. So he was on the prove it deal
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last year, right with the Tigers, plays well, gets traded
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over his stuff's really good. The problem is part of that is,
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all right, Do you believe he's going to stay healthy for a
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while? But if you do believe he's
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healthy, he's a guy in his prime, you know he's only Gosh,
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if I do my math correctly, he's 29, right?
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Am I doing my math right? Which?
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Is weird because he feels like he's been in the league forever.
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Yes, so. 29 turn turn 29 in October.
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Yeah. So 29 in October right now.
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So you guys are getting that whole pitch of it right.
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So in this case, it's a guy of the options, the upside I
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think's really there and a guy also like he's a strikeout
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pitcher. I don't think people realize
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that as much. Last year was a bounce back
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where I was going with what he changed Kyle just to like finish
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that and why I would have interest in him for the two to
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three-year solely because of I just the pitcher's longevity's.
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It's just it's a hard thing to just commit that many years to
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guys like Freed Corbin, you know, Garrett Cole in the past.
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Like you want to you want to sign these bigger length
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contracts by all means, because you're trusting those guys track
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records. Jack has the stuff, but you
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can't trust the track record. So the thing to be changed in 23
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to 24. I have the video I could pull
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up. Maybe I'll I'll indulge you guys
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later. Could present on here, but
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Jack's out pitch is a curveball and I had it pulled up on on
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stats. You know what screw it, I got to
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find this. Wonder if I can pull this up for
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you guys. Do you mind if I pull this up?
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You do for it. OK, don't worry about me.
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But the breakdown, I think this is it.
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Before I before I make myself seem like a fool, I'll make sure
24:36
it's the right file. But essentially Jack, his cutter
24:42
and his slider were too similar so he said screw it I'm going to
24:45
get rid of the cutter all together.
24:48
And I thought it was the best thing he could have possibly
24:50
done because when he did it made his other pictures even that
24:55
much better. So.
24:59
And of course now when I want to pull this up, I can't find my
25:03
video now. OK, screw it.
25:05
I'll just tell you guys. So anyway, Jack made an
25:09
adjustment there. That's where I was going to.
25:11
He was he got rid of the cutter because the cutter and the
25:13
slider, as we you guys know about this playing the game,
25:17
they can be so similar if they're flat and his cutter and
25:21
slider. When they're flat, they're just
25:23
like mediocre fastball. So if you watch moments in
25:26
238685 mile an hour slider meatball, same thing with a
25:31
cutter being 89 doesn't move. They're too similar pitches.
25:35
So for a hitter, you can't really think.
25:38
It's not getting you off your thought process and you see
25:41
those pitches, it doesn't throw you off.
25:43
Now a slider and curveball, there's there's a deception
25:46
there and a five mile an hour difference with a little bit
25:50
more of a little little hump there.
25:53
And and his numbers throughout throughout his strikeout rates
25:57
were through the roof. His number on curveball,
26:00
strikeout percentage went up, slider up and then his fastball
26:04
location, which got really more refined that also rose.
26:10
So I think him solidifying those pitches, guys, I think that Jack
26:15
is going to help a team significantly.
26:17
I think Jack needs to go to a contending team.
26:22
It just feels like at this point it's going to be a West Coast
26:25
team or it's going to be a Midwest and the deal is going to
26:27
be two years. I think 2-3 years.
26:31
I wouldn't be surprised what what evolved.
26:32
You get 25,000,000 a year Meniaga.
26:36
That sounds right, yeah. I I think that that's kind of
26:39
what it is so. Two years, 4045 I think.
26:44
Walker Buehler got what? One for 22?
26:47
One for 20. That's what was that Ivaldi was
26:53
25, by the way. Yeah.
26:55
So I I would say if I was a team looking for Flaherty or if I was
27:00
Flaherty and I'd say, hey, I'll settle.
27:02
I'm thinking of a deal in between what Walker Buehler is
27:06
getting, which it says is it's is he an 18 this.
27:10
Year and. 25 next year on the payroll, I would say in that
27:14
range of like 20 to 25 mil, two to three years.
27:18
I think Jack signs that's that's just me.
27:23
See, I hear the West Coast thing.
27:25
It, it feels to me like it, it has to be the Atlanta Braves.
27:30
It just feels like that's such a good fit.
27:33
It's such a place where he he doesn't necessarily, and I'm not
27:37
saying he doesn't flash the skill set at times to be at the
27:41
top of the rotation, but more often than not, it just it feels
27:45
like we know what Jack Flaherty is.
27:47
If he's your middle rotation, if he's 3-4, like that feels really
27:52
strong. That feels like a stronger than
27:54
most 3-4 rotation guys with the upside of, you know, putting up
27:59
top of the end of the rotation type type performances at times.
28:02
But like Kyle said, the consistently, you know, the
28:05
consistency isn't always there, but it just feels like the
28:08
Braves have missed out on a lot of stuff.
28:10
You see, you know, Uncle Charlie moving on.
28:13
It just feels like they need to do something and with all the
28:19
injuries and all the guys coming back, I don't know how much of
28:22
it needs to be on the offensive side.
28:24
I feel like pitching is the route and I feel like it it
28:28
fits. I just, I know he's the West
28:30
Coast guy though. Well, hey, you know, you bring
28:33
that up and it's it's a good point.
28:34
I think he's comfortable Midwest.
28:36
I honestly, I think if the team like the Dodgers were still in
28:41
play, like that makes sense for him.
28:43
Could be San Diego, but First off, go where you wanted and go
28:47
where you needed. And Atlanta.
28:50
I mean, I might have missed this, but Jeff Hoffman, like you
28:52
seen all those news, right, That the Orioles had them for the?
28:55
Physical. The Braves had them for the
28:57
physical as well. And they both said like, we're
29:01
not doing this. So clearly there's a need.
29:03
And I and it seemed like the deal that Hoffman was going to
29:05
get, they were flirting with the idea.
29:08
Like, could he be pushed to being a starter?
29:10
Regardless of it, Braves have been quiet and so Jack, Jack
29:15
going to where he's needed, I think is going to be, you know,
29:20
the the most pressing and the team that's most pressing
29:23
probably. I like that a lot there.
29:25
Nate. If it's not going to be the AL,
29:27
why not be a sneaky team like the Braves who they are going to
29:32
need to do a little bit more to compete now with the Super
29:35
competitive? Oh 100% yeah, the Mets got
29:38
better. I mean, the Phillies rotation
29:40
has been added to now. The Nats are going to be
29:42
scrappy. The Nats are one or two more
29:45
years away from being back to being a a perennial playoff team
29:49
in my opinion. So it's a it's it's an
29:54
interesting, it's an interesting factor here.
29:57
Now the other one that you mentioned the other Orioles,
29:59
Santander, Tony Taters and everyone in Baltimore is
30:03
disappointed he wasn't coming back.
30:05
And I said this over on on on my work here.
30:09
And I've told you guys in the past, I think the time to that
30:14
would have been to re sign Tony was before the 2024 season.
30:18
Then we started playing well, then he's going well, I'm going
30:21
to I want to see the market and he deserves to see the market.
30:24
But here's the problem is the market was sizzling for
30:29
outfielders early and now it's kind of hitting this halt.
30:32
You know, T Oscar Hernandez, I was a little shocked the deal
30:35
that he signed because I thought maybe he was going to get a
30:37
little bit more, but maybe it's kind of showing your hand.
30:41
Well, maybe that's just what it's going to be.
30:44
Now, Kyle, I'm curious, where do you think Tony's going to go?
30:47
Where would you think it would be a good fit?
30:51
Well, I'm, I'm still thinking about the point you made about
30:56
the the best time to sign it because I go back to the start
30:58
of this past season and Nate, Nate, you and I were talking
31:01
about this. How he wasn't proving himself to
31:05
just be a power bat across the league.
31:08
He was proving himself to be one of the power bats in the league.
31:13
Like and, and now that we've we've concluded the 2024 season,
31:16
you look back on the last three years, just home runs alone.
31:19
I mean, forget any other category, just a simple
31:21
statistic of home runs alone 332844.
31:26
Who who doesn't want that? Why?
31:29
Why has nobody pounced on this? I think so.
31:36
A couple things. First off, those numbers, he
31:40
wasn't one of all the talent that the Orioles have.
31:44
I think people are are failing to recognize when you say it,
31:47
you realize it, but before that point he has been the Orioles
31:51
best offensive hitter in the last three years.
31:54
It wasn't Gunner Henderson, it wasn't Adley Ruchman, it was
31:58
Anthony Santander, best run producer, best extra base guy.
32:05
It's been Tony through and through.
32:08
When he gets hot, he can challenge anybody on
32:11
streakiness. The one downside for Tony, which
32:14
is a strength, but also his weakness is he can hit any pitch
32:18
out of the zone and then he can also swing it any pitch out of
32:21
the zone and get himself in trouble.
32:23
So I think the problem, at least if I'm looking, putting my GM
32:27
hat on, what do you project Tony to be in four years?
32:32
And I think that's what teams are kind of looking at.
32:34
I still think Tony's looking at like a three-year deal.
32:38
I, I feel like they could take him out of the outfield
32:40
position. So if you do that, do you put
32:43
him at first? Do you DH him?
32:45
That's number one. And is there concern that he's
32:48
going to be able to continue that as he, as he goes on?
32:52
Because right, you get to a certain threshold and you feel
32:55
like you can kind of fall off, you know, And that's the part of
32:58
it. The hell.
32:58
I think that's also why a guy like Pete Alonzo teams are
33:01
afraid to give 30 some million in more than three years because
33:07
it's nice and the success is here.
33:09
But once the offensive production isn't there, Tony and
33:14
Peter guys that aren't going to be their their skill set is
33:19
revolved around the big ball and revolved around driving guys in.
33:23
They're not going to be the the five tool steel bags be these
33:28
these, even though I know they've gotten some recognition,
33:33
but like defensive specialist, that's not going to be them.
33:38
So I think that when Christian Walker signed that three-year,
33:42
$60 million deal, I think that's when things started to set in
33:48
that, you know, this power market was kind of sizzling out
33:53
that that's personally what I thought.
33:56
I am still shocked he's not signed.
33:58
But do you guys think where I, I, I don't want it to be for the
34:01
American League case, but do you think I do you want to know
34:04
where I think he should go? Like if I'm the team right now
34:07
and you are contending and they've made their point and
34:11
they got a spot open in right field now if they really want to
34:14
use them in the American League. We're not talking Toronto, are
34:19
we? No, I don't know what to think
34:22
about Toronto. Toronto's a great city.
34:24
I love the fan base they're in on every single player, right?
34:29
Every single player imaginable. They're the American League
34:34
giants, Yeah. They're the American League
34:35
giants, yeah. So they're in.
34:39
No, it's not the it's not the Blue Jays.
34:41
We mentioned if you're contending and I don't
34:43
necessarily put them in that camp as of right now.
34:45
So yeah, that would rule them out.
34:47
Who do you got? Houston Astros, you just traded
34:52
away Kyle Tucker and I thought, I'm like, are you selling the
34:55
farm? Then they go, no, no, no, we're
34:56
out selling or starting pitching Framber Blanco.
35:00
We're not. We're keeping those guys Brown.
35:01
They're all there. All right, you got Altuve.
35:06
You have some really good pieces there.
35:07
Your bullpen is still solid. Why not get a guy that's a
35:11
switch hitter and you can use that fence and left field short
35:17
porch? I think that that's a great fit.
35:20
I did think the Red Sox were another good fit for him at the
35:23
time. But Tony's got to have to make a
35:25
decision here. Is it going to be chasing the
35:26
money or chasing good money and right fit?
35:31
Because Toronto I think will give him the most, but I don't
35:33
think it's the right fit for him.
35:36
I'm not going to pull this thread because I don't want to
35:38
go down this rabbit hole too much.
35:43
Do you feel like we are? I I think we can all agree that
35:48
like a lot of our mentality and and mindset probably airs on the
35:52
side of accepting analytics but still feeling attached to the
35:56
old game. Are you concerned with the fact
36:01
that like every, everything you hear about Anthony Santander or
36:06
other players, even the the negative comments about Juan
36:10
Soto, so heavy on how defensive analytics are going to struggle
36:16
with an age where he's already not great and you know it's
36:19
going to get worse? I just feel like we, we bury
36:25
that conversation over and over and over, whereas it used to be,
36:30
you know, what if you got a stick, we'll figure it out.
36:33
And we don't necessarily have to have a top five outfielder at
36:37
every position because it just doesn't happen.
36:40
You know what I'm saying? It's like, can we just move past
36:42
that and understand that? Like we can get value elsewhere
36:45
while sacrificing other things. I don't know, it's, I'm just
36:50
tired of that conversation. I have a can I, can I just
36:55
propose a comp? I, I don't know if this is going
36:57
to be received well, but as we're talking about this, this
36:59
is the name that comes to mind. I pulled up their numbers just
37:03
to do a little compare and contrast here.
37:05
Nelson Cruz, now hear me out, was in the league from 2005 to
37:12
2008. Did not log a season where he
37:14
hit more than nine home runs until 2009.
37:18
His age 28 season 33 home runs would go to Anthony Santander
37:27
what has was in the league from 20/20/17 to 2021 before he
37:34
logged a season where he hit over twenty home runs. 2022 is
37:37
age 27 season he hits 33 home runs.
37:43
Defensive liabilities known for their sticks.
37:47
Yeah, wow. This is what I'm saying.
37:50
Is that like I, I just think teams, there's so many teams
37:53
that use the DH as like a rotating half off day for that
37:58
4th outfielder or you know, other third base and whatever
38:04
they want to do. It's just I think teams are
38:07
struggling to wrap their mind around a long term DH that
38:14
that's all they provide. And it almost ties one hand
38:18
behind their back. Because I can speak for that as
38:21
a fan of the New York Yankees that are at times screwed over
38:26
with the Giancarlo stand and at times are, you know, spoiled in
38:31
riches. But more often than not, it's
38:33
kind of a pain. Yeah, I think the there's always
38:38
a value for each team. You need.
38:40
You need a certain recipe of players on your team.
38:44
You need the boppers, you need the guys that can really do some
38:47
damage and have balls leave the ballpark Dr. run runners in.
38:52
You're going to then have to have the strap scrappy hitters
38:55
like the on the other side, people not wanting Luis Arise on
38:58
your team, a guy that just has averaged 200 hits.
39:02
Five players the last two years have had over 200 hits and Arise
39:06
has done that twice. So there's three other players
39:09
in that group. You need guys like that.
39:12
Then you need guys that are just going to hey, they just get the
39:14
job done right. That's what builds the line up.
39:16
That's what makes a team work. So for a team, when you're
39:20
looking at do we have the firepower, Anthony Santander
39:23
sits there and you go, yeah, like, why wouldn't you want him?
39:29
And I know that the the the downside here, let's just play
39:32
this because the Nelson Cruz comp is intriguing.
39:35
But one thing that the one thing that that scares people away is
39:39
that at least Nelson for the majority, at least down the
39:42
stretch for Nelson, if you look at some of his numbers, look, he
39:45
there was a little bit of a fall off on some average.
39:47
But in his heyday, like starting at the last couple of year
39:52
actually just in Texas in general.
39:54
Goodness gracious. So we'll go from there. 260 was
39:56
the low, the low point for him hitting for almost nine years.
40:01
And then he hit 256 in Seattle in 2018.
40:04
That was the lowest point. But in between there is anything
40:07
as high as. I think the highest batting
40:10
average he had in his career was 311, but the lowest one that he
40:14
had was 226. Not until he until not until
40:17
2021. So it was a 13 year period of
40:21
that. Santander, I think what scares
40:23
people is that he's had one season in the last four years
40:27
where he's hit over 250 and actually hit over 241 to be
40:32
exact. So if there's one thing they're
40:34
looking at for him is that if he's not hitting the big ball
40:40
and you're cool with that, he hits 40 jacks that you live with
40:43
the 2:30, you live with the 2:40.
40:46
If he's not doing that, then you're worried about the other
40:50
side of it. And I think that's kind of why
40:53
that's to me what what people are looking at T Oscar Hernandez
40:56
and him are actually very similar in some cases.
40:59
You know, the biggest difference was, was how they each handle a
41:02
specific count. I think it was in two, two
41:04
counts, T Oscar's hitting almost 100 points higher than
41:09
Santander. So it's like little things,
41:11
right? So and the clutch factor T Oscar
41:14
in the playoffs is phenomenal. I think that that's what teams
41:18
are looking for. But I'm with you.
41:19
I I think that people don't have to overthink it.
41:21
Do you need power in your lineup?
41:23
Exactly. Yes.
41:25
Do you want do you want a guy that can help your team?
41:28
Yes. And if that's the answer and you
41:29
have the spot, then go get the damn guy because Tony Taters is
41:33
going to be tell you one thing. Tony doesn't care if he's if
41:36
he's slumping or if he does, he ain't showing it.
41:39
I want a guy like that. He had no worries.
41:43
You. Want me to tell you a story on
41:45
opening day? I do please.
41:48
So I was went down early and you know, I was doing my thing media
41:56
wise and got went to the clubhouse and early got to see
42:00
some of my former teammates in the clubhouse and say hi to
42:05
everyone. You know, Dean Kramer, good kid
42:07
friend of the show, talked with him for a while, hung out.
42:09
And then all the sudden, you know, I'll get out of there and
42:11
I got to go do my other pregame work.
42:14
And as I'm leaving the stadium and I'm going to the parking lot
42:17
to to get my other bag and change, I have to tie my shoe
42:23
and I'm tying my shoe And all the sudden I hear, Hey, a guy
42:27
goes, Hey, Rican, what's up? And I I look up and a guy rolls
42:31
his window all the way down at Santander.
42:33
And I'm like looking at my watch and I'm like, Tony, everyone
42:40
else is in there and I said, are you are you late?
42:43
And he goes, no, Poppy, I'm red on time and then speeds to go
42:49
big ball in the the second at bat of the game.
42:52
And I'm like, dude, this guy is just so just unrattled, unfazed
42:59
and he and he's a good guy. But yeah, I got a question him
43:02
on if he was on time or not. I'll just say he's the last
43:06
person I saw going there for that day.
43:10
That's good. That's good.
43:13
He's a really good kid. I hope the best for him.
43:15
Man, I wish it worked out. I thought he was going to be a
43:18
Red Sox too. I did but.
43:22
Yeah, Kind of putting a bow on this though for, I mean, in
43:25
regards to the Red Sox, I'd I'd be happy with either of these
43:28
guys just on shorter term deals. Anthony Santander a little more
43:33
willing to extend that out if, if necessary, because I do think
43:38
we were at a point in his career now where we know what it's
43:40
going to be. But with Flaherty, you, you talk
43:43
difference in in free agent pitchers versus position players
43:46
and the the inherent risks that come with with either camp.
43:50
I just don't know if Flaherty that like I said, going back to
43:54
the consistency, I just don't know.
43:56
I just don't know if it's there and I'm not willing to to risk
43:59
it. And that not I'm not saying for
44:01
the Red Sox, I'm just saying for any team out there, that's
44:02
probably probably what a lot of these teams are thinking.
44:05
Like we're we're going to try to piece meal a contract together
44:09
and not blow the bank on it would be my guess.
44:15
Can't do it. Well, Ryan, we don't want to
44:19
keep you. You're you're a busy man, as we
44:22
were talking earlier. I mean, you're the people have
44:26
you filming reels, walking down snowy streets.
44:30
Like can you tell your people to like just give Ryan a, a second
44:36
to breathe, please? You don't, Ryan, you don't.
44:39
I'm going to tell you right now, nobody's going to tell you this.
44:42
I'm going to tell you. You don't need to be filming
44:44
reels, walking down the street. Get to where you're going
44:46
safely. The people can wait on the
44:48
content. We know you like to grind.
44:49
We know you like to put that content out there, but we need
44:52
just safe. Hey, I was I was snowed in that
44:56
day. I was checking on my car.
44:57
It was fine. It's beautiful, gorgeous.
45:00
I I no OK. I always get self-conscious
45:03
about these, these videos right of the the the selfies, but I'm
45:08
like screw it, I'm going to throw it out there.
45:09
I appreciate it. I'm trying to to, to get a lot
45:12
of our baseball scheduling in maybe loop you guys in on a on a
45:15
normal routine on my side here so you guys can join.
45:19
We're trying to up our shows to maybe 3-4 times a week and
45:24
really get a good baseball feeling lineup and obviously my
45:29
group always loves having you on over there.
45:31
So we got to we got to line that up, but it's going to be a fun
45:34
year, guys. We got, I got to fill you in on
45:36
some things in the works. So we'll see.
45:40
A Elise is going to be fun too. And it's going to be painful.
45:43
It's going to be stressful. And unlike the National League,
45:48
it really it's just going to be a wide open race yet again.
45:53
So I'm excited. I'm excited about.
45:55
It Before you go give me a Ravens Bills score prediction,
46:00
drop it on me. I think it might be a little bit
46:04
lower scoring. I'm thinking like 242420
46:08
Baltimore. This is the year handle be able
46:14
to handle that guy, huh Mr. Allen?
46:17
Well they did handle him when they won 38 to 6 I think.
46:22
That was a different ball club back then.
46:23
I think, I don't know. I feel it feels like the Super
46:28
Bowl to me. Like I feel, I feel like that
46:30
game is the Super Bowl, so I'm pumped for it.
46:34
It's not the Super Bowl, just one more game.
46:37
It feels like that's the one outside of that.
46:41
Let's go, Lions. Hey, you know what?
46:44
I'm rooting for Detroit in the NFC.
46:47
Except shout out to my to my former teammates, knuckleball
46:51
legend Mickey Janis, Mike Bauman.
46:57
They're both Vikings fans. It's tough for them.
46:59
It's a tough look, It's a tough. Look for them, but it'll all be
47:03
good all right, well, you guys be good.
47:05
I mean hey like if you guys are doing this and you're and I'm at
47:08
home, I'm glad to hop on and answer any baseball questions.
47:11
That's what I was going to say. Do you guys know how to pull up
47:13
videos on here? Do you know how to do that?
47:16
Yes. I know how to do all of it.
47:18
I've I've studied all this stuff for countless hours.
47:22
I know exactly what I'm doing. He has not a clue as to what
47:26
he's doing. We're going to be.
47:28
We're, we're going to be. I got buttons now.
47:31
We're going to be playing, we're going to be playing Castiano's
47:38
clip talking about Iglesias earlier earlier today.
47:41
So we'll test out the the video game a little bit.
47:44
So we'll see how it goes, but. Yeah, yeah.
47:47
Let me know. Can't wait to see what that
47:49
beard looks like after another week.
47:52
We need to no, I, I, I have to do some might have to do some TV
47:57
work. So we might have to, we might
47:59
have to clean it up. Don't.
48:01
Don't hate on me, guys. Just the neck.
48:02
Just the neck. I'm trying and I got to clean it
48:05
up for when we're doing this whole new series.
48:08
Some of my, my, my channel members and people know about
48:10
it. We're interviewing some pretty
48:13
good players that used to play for a long time.
48:16
Plug plug your stuff before you get out of here.
48:19
My name is Ryan as. He rubs his eyes.
48:23
That's, I mean, that's, that's on.
48:25
Bro, my name is Ryan. I still will be a Co host for
48:29
the three O take when I can pop back on, but you can check out
48:32
what I'm doing. Just add Ryan Ripken show for
48:35
everything. But we'll all get together and
48:38
get some things things going here.
48:41
We got to, I got, I got some things we need to talk about
48:43
Kyle. Hey, I said let's hop on a call
48:48
and then you hopped on a jet to the winter meetings.
48:50
So what, what, what can I, what can I say?
48:54
Granted, I, I gave you like 24 hours notice, so that's on me.
48:57
But we'll, we'll, we'll get on a call soon.
48:59
We'll talk some things through and I got to.
49:01
We'll go get lunch, we can break down some some break down some
49:06
things talk to. You can you send the jet to me
49:09
so I can come back? Yeah, by the jet, you mean
49:12
Southwest Airlines? Sure.
49:14
No, that ain't it. That ain't it.
49:15
That's what we were dealing basic economy.
49:18
Prince of Baltimore, don't fly SW Come on.
49:21
You know what? When the When the media empire
49:22
grows. We can talk differently.
49:24
Here, But it'll be an exciting time.
49:27
I I can't wait. Baseball guys right around the
49:29
corner. Are you guys going to go to
49:30
spring training? We've got the All Star Game and
49:34
Home Run Derby locked up, I know that much.
49:36
Like you're going to it. We are going to it, we will be
49:39
in the park. Oh, low collab.
49:44
Low collab. Get Ryan down there.
49:46
Will Atlanta collab? It's already locked in.
49:49
That's a it's, it's 100% certainty.
49:52
OK, I got to. I got some things to think about
49:56
here. I mean, I haven't, I haven't
49:58
ruled out spring training, but that probably be a little bit
50:01
more of like a on the fly kind of deal.
50:04
But for in terms of plans, we've got the All Star Gaming Home Run
50:07
Derby locked up, so we will be there.
50:12
OK, cool. All right, well, I'm going to
50:15
figure out what other obligations I have to do.
50:17
I will find that Jack Flaherty breakdown sometime and we will
50:21
talk about it. And yeah, we can't wait to talk
50:25
about Morgan on a regular schedule.
50:26
Miss you guys. Thank you guys for all you do.
50:29
Got to get up to the studio soon as well.
50:32
The invitation's there, Nate. Same for you.
50:34
Just hop on a flight. Just give me that jet, baby.
50:36
Hop on a flight man. Hey hey, cheers to to the AL
50:39
East being fun and annoyingly. Frustrating.
50:44
Appreciate you, Ryan. You're a good kid.
50:45
See you buddy. You're a good kid.
50:46
All right, guys. See ya.
50:51
Ryan, everybody love that Ryan Ripken.
50:55
I don't have claps. So here you go, Ryan.
51:00
Appreciate you, my friend. Let's can we talk about it?
51:07
We sort of hinted at it. Let's talk about the the chaos.
51:13
That's the Blue Jays. I, I mean, I had a note here to,
51:16
to touch on Jeff Hoffman's deal real quick, but come to find out
51:21
that apparently they're one of the three, one of the three
51:25
finalists for Rokie Sasaki. What kind of sick joke is that
51:30
for Blue Jays fans? There's no chance, no shot you
51:36
think that you're a legitimate finalist.
51:40
I don't understand. I'm, I'm so baffled.
51:43
I'm so lost on everything that the organization is.
51:50
I can't imagine it being a landing spot.
51:56
I genuinely can't imagine it. Let's recap what's what's
52:01
happened with the the Blue Jays. The last call it what, 772
52:06
hours, 96 hours, whatever that is.
52:09
Yeah. You signed Jeff Hoffman to a
52:13
three-year, $33 million contract.
52:15
And then you find out over the weekend that, oh, the Orioles
52:19
said, yeah, no thanks, check the medicals, we're good.
52:23
And then you find out today that the Atlanta Braves, like Ryan
52:27
mentioned earlier, we're also like, yeah, no, we're good.
52:30
Check the medicals. No, thanks.
52:32
So in the last 96 hours, we'll call it an even 100.
52:36
And the last 100 hours for the Toronto Blue Jays, you signed a
52:40
guy that two other teams said no to due to the medicals.
52:45
And now your fans have the false hope that you're a finalist for
52:48
one of the more coveted pitching scenarios in all of baseball.
52:54
I don't want much more false hope that they can survive
52:58
because there was a lot of false hope, a lot of false hope with
53:05
Otani last year. There was a lot.
53:08
And I'm just, I'm just lost. I don't, I don't know how else
53:14
to talk about them. I don't know how anyone can be
53:18
positive about them. It's I'm so, as a baseball fan,
53:27
disappointed. Laura in the chat just says,
53:30
just put them in Dodge blue. Yeah, put everybody in dodge or
53:32
blue put. Why not relax?
53:35
I mean, at this point, it's, it's the most likely scenario.
53:38
But at this point, knowing that the Blue Jays are not a
53:42
legitimate contender, legitimate landing spot, I'm kind of
53:49
pulling for the I'm kind of pulling for the Padres.
53:53
I'd like to see that. I'd like to see.
53:55
I like that. I like the commitment to cease
53:57
and I don't know what that shopping cease trend for a few
54:02
weeks was about. I hated that.
54:04
So I like the commitment there. I I just love what this is as
54:11
far as it gives you it give it checks that box of like landing
54:19
one of the bigger fishes in the free agent offseason.
54:25
It gives you that vibe without breaking the bank, without
54:29
putting your team so far behind that you can't do other things.
54:32
And I'm I'm here for it, man. And oh, imagine what that does
54:41
for that rivalry. It's just, it already was an
54:43
incredible NLCS and it's and it and it's going to give you that
54:48
much more. I, I, I need the Dodgers to, to
54:52
just let this one go, let the Padres win something and just
54:58
close that gap and just get it tighter.
54:59
It's just as a baseball fan, I want to see that.
55:03
I want to see that rivalry grow. I mean, if if we're talking
55:06
about the Dodgers letting somebody go, if there was
55:08
anybody this offseason that I thought that maybe they would
55:12
just let go, it was high. Song Kim.
55:14
I was like, OK, this is a guy that you know, and you and I
55:17
talked about it, some buzz surrounding the name, like who's
55:20
going to who's going to land the guy coming overseas?
55:25
Surely the Dodgers aren't going to bully the rest of the league
55:27
and. And go snatch him, too.
55:28
Yeah, that's what the Dodgers go and do.
55:30
So if they're going to go out and get high Song Kim, why would
55:35
they not go get Roki Sasaki I? Know, I know.
55:40
And I, I read today that something that said that he, he
55:43
doesn't care about the market or anything like market size isn't
55:46
a factor. I'm not buying that anymore.
55:48
I'm not talking about buying that.
55:50
I, I, there's, I don't know what it is.
55:55
It pisses me off so much that you see this like little this,
56:00
like trinkle. What's the word?
56:02
It's like a. Trinkle.
56:04
That's, I don't think trinkle's a word.
56:06
I I want to say like not sprinkle, but trickle maybe,
56:10
maybe something like that. Trickle effects, Trickle
56:13
effects, Ripple effect, ripple. Effect.
56:17
I can't stand when I hear that like teams are, this team is no
56:22
longer in the running. This team is no longer in the
56:25
running. Like it's so I don't know why it
56:28
bugs me so much. Why do we only get that with
56:31
international signings? We never get that with any other
56:34
free agent. That never happens.
56:38
You may have your teams that were in the hunt for Soto, and
56:42
maybe it's just because, like, the price can't be driven up.
56:46
You know what, Laura, you and I, she's just trying to put some
56:51
words. She's trying to put two and two
56:53
together. No, I, I have some words.
56:55
I think you're right. But I think to a point, if if
57:00
there's a call it an American, like a we'll just say a domestic
57:04
free agent, whether or not they're American, I don't know.
57:08
But if, if they're here, such as a Juan Soto, if there's a
57:12
certain caliber of player, I think where you do hear reports
57:15
of like this team's out of the running.
57:17
This team's out of the running. But you have your point though,
57:19
like the average, right? The average, the average ball
57:23
player who's testing free free agency for maybe we'll call it
57:27
the first time you yeah, if you, you don't necessarily hear that
57:29
unless they're coming from overseas.
57:33
Fair enough. But yeah, the whole, the whole
57:35
big market or the, the market size doesn't matter thing?
57:37
No, yeah, no, look at the teams that are left and you're going
57:42
to tell me the market size doesn't matter.
57:44
What are we talking about? Yeah.
57:47
And if if you go to Toronto, you have all of Canada as a fan
57:50
base, which is another. Which I'm, I'm kind of out on
57:54
the the whole like you got the whole country.
57:56
It's like, yeah, but. I feel like.
57:59
Is it like a 90% of Canada just snow with this point?
58:04
Like, I don't even think people live there.
58:06
It's possible. I don't know anything about.
58:08
I personally haven't been, I know Toronto.
58:09
Is nice, but. I've heard good things.
58:12
Yeah. Sorry, Laura.
58:14
I'm. I'm over right now.
58:16
What's next? What do we got?
58:19
Let's talk something that might possibly get you fired up as
58:22
well. Let's talk Nick Cassiano's
58:24
comments today. And as I mentioned, as I
58:28
mentioned to our good friend Ryan, I, I think this might be
58:31
the first time playing a little video and this is a perfect
58:34
opportunity to mention watching the pod on YouTube, if that's
58:37
your thing. You may be able to see the clip
58:40
that we're about to play. Hopefully it works.
58:42
If it doesn't, I don't know what to tell you, but Nick
58:47
Castellanos had some controversial comments.
58:49
I don't know what the show was from today, but it it it started
58:53
circulating today on the Chris Rose rotation talking about Jose
58:59
Iglesias. So let me see if this will play.
59:03
Jose Iglesias ended up on the Mets and had a phenomenal year.
59:06
MVP of the National League. Why?
59:08
If you're looking at like the MVP as having the most weight on
59:13
creating wins for your team, there's no other player that has
59:16
had that much weight as Jose Iglesias.
59:19
Because I think with him being able to come in and bring that
59:22
Latin spark, knock the ice off of Lindor finally got Vientos
59:26
probably comfortable to be able to be in everyday third baseman
59:30
and now a bunch of guys that look like they had no direction
59:34
running in all different directions in the beginning of
59:36
the year. They made the playoffs, got to
59:38
where they did, while the whole Mets organization had the OMG
59:43
signs were everywhere from in the city to the stadium.
59:46
The way I look at baseball, Jose Iglesias is unanimous National
59:50
League MVP. Come on, I mean, listen, Shohei
59:53
went 5050. You're saying that José José
59:57
Iglesias made meant more to a team with his galvanizing and
1:00:01
his number one pop song because he was able to turn around a
1:00:05
franchise for a year? Yes.
1:00:07
That's not going to work with the sabermetricians, I'm just
1:00:10
telling you. I'm not a sabermetrician, I'm a
1:00:12
baseball player. I'm saying that him going to the
1:00:16
Mets and being himself got the organization to move in One
1:00:20
Direction. Show Hey Otani played a huge
1:00:22
part in in the Dodgers winning. I don't know if he's the sole
1:00:26
purpose of the Dodgers moving in One Direction.
1:00:29
That doesn't mean that what Show Hey did isn't record book worthy
1:00:33
and he's not an amazing baseball player.
1:00:35
I if I'm starting A-Team, I pick Shohei over Jose.
1:00:39
There's no doubt about it. I'm not stupid.
1:00:41
But the way that I saw baseball last year through my eyeballs,
1:00:44
Jose Iglesias is the National League MVP.
1:00:49
Nikki Castellanos. Dude, I I swear with every year
1:00:53
that passes I my fandom for Nick Casianos grows.
1:00:58
The legend of this guy just grows every year.
1:01:02
I know. I mean there were so many, he
1:01:04
had so many 1 liners in there where I'm like I, I I'd put that
1:01:08
on AT shirt and I'd wear that around.
1:01:11
I'm not a Sabre matrician. I'm a baseball player, I mean.
1:01:14
Oh. Man, I love it.
1:01:16
To his credit, he acknowledges the whole like, look, if I had
1:01:18
to start a team, I'm obviously going show, hey, I'm not an
1:01:21
idiot. He's, like I said, I'm not
1:01:22
stupid. Yeah, but look, I saw this clip
1:01:26
earlier today and I tweeted out, I said it's easy to laugh at
1:01:32
these comments, but until the MLB or just baseball in general
1:01:35
explicitly defines what the V in MVP actually stands for, will
1:01:40
continue to go back and forth and what value actually means.
1:01:44
And that's just 1000%. That's just the truth.
1:01:46
So we can sit here and and and like I've seen people say that
1:01:50
this is like the worst baseball take they've ever seen, which
1:01:53
like whatever, teach their own. It's probably on paper.
1:01:57
Maybe it's not the greatest take, but there is some validity
1:02:00
to what he's saying. Like if we're talking about
1:02:02
value, look at what Jose Iglesias did.
1:02:06
Maybe not necessarily on the field.
1:02:08
Like he he had some moments this year for sure, without a doubt,
1:02:12
but just like what the value that he brought to the team.
1:02:16
You cannot dispute that. And am I so like with that said,
1:02:20
am I going to sit here and say that Shohei is not the MVP?
1:02:22
Absolutely not. But I 1000% believe and stand
1:02:29
behind and can get behind the sentiment in the comments that
1:02:33
he shared on on the show A. 100% dude.
1:02:36
Like I think anybody that is going to throw a ton of hate at
1:02:41
this doesn't really truly understand like what the
1:02:51
structure and development of a clubhouse means and and the
1:02:55
synergy of a roster. And I think that's what he's
1:02:59
talking about most. And it, and if you're talking
1:03:02
about a team that needed that synergy more than any other team
1:03:09
and Jose Iglesias, Iglesias provided that that is the most
1:03:15
valuable thing for that organization.
1:03:18
The the argument and the definition of value can be
1:03:25
interchangeable depending on the player and scenario and team.
1:03:29
All of that is, is interchangeable in my mind from
1:03:32
year to year, from player to player, from league to league,
1:03:34
from situation to situation. That definition can go back and
1:03:40
forth a little bit. And when you're talking about
1:03:44
the the directionless Mets at that point, needing a veteran
1:03:52
who is in my mind, one of the smoothest glove men we've ever
1:03:56
seen and turning it on and turning the clock back and
1:04:02
finding something in himself offensively that I don't know if
1:04:05
we've seen at all in his career while leading a a, a young
1:04:11
group, while taking like he said, he broke the ice for for
1:04:16
Frankie Lindor, Like to be able to just kind of let him sit back
1:04:20
and relax and and get back to being Mr. Smile.
1:04:22
Like that's what he did for that ball club.
1:04:26
That's a huge, huge deal. You talk about value.
1:04:31
I don't know how else to define it.
1:04:34
If we're if we're removing just pure stats and pure numbers,
1:04:40
then what I love about his comments is that that's a guy
1:04:43
that's been in a clubhouse before, that's been in a winning
1:04:45
clubhouse before that understands how important those
1:04:49
players are. And you know, if we're going to
1:04:53
get into the weeds of where we are at in this offseason, where
1:04:56
we're at heading into 2025, this is when it's done.
1:05:02
It's the names that maybe you're not fully in love with.
1:05:05
Maybe it's not the Super stardom that you're hoping to spend
1:05:08
hundreds of millions of dollars on for your team.
1:05:11
It's these types of guys that fill in the gaps that that live
1:05:15
up to this role. So I, I understand what he's
1:05:21
saying, Do I agree? Would I change my vote from
1:05:23
Ohtani to him? Probably not.
1:05:27
But I can absolutely sit here and be on the edge of my seat
1:05:31
for that, for that argument. I love it.
1:05:37
Cassie's always caught. Up in some sort of sick dude
1:05:40
that's. Some sort of controversy.
1:05:42
Always he's caught. Up grows on me.
1:05:45
He keeps it 100 every single time he speaks to.
1:05:48
Every time I love it, I'm here for it.
1:05:52
I'm a Cassie guy. Let's talk here real quick
1:05:56
before we get to whose quote was this?
1:06:01
Let's actually I I say let's this is really just a you thing.
1:06:05
The whole Yankees fans being banned from all ballparks.
1:06:10
Yeah, yeah. Look, these are your guys, man.
1:06:13
I'm I you. Don't.
1:06:14
We don't. No, no.
1:06:15
No, no, no, no, no, no, no. We're not playing this game.
1:06:18
Oh, we don't claim these guys. They were where?
1:06:20
They they're Yankee fans. They were at Yankee Stadium for
1:06:24
the World Series. You claim them by default.
1:06:27
I'm sorry, you're not claiming them.
1:06:29
Yeah, well, you're going to claim them.
1:06:31
Banned by Major League Baseball. And if you don't know, we're
1:06:34
talking about the two fans that interfered with Mookie Betts
1:06:37
during the World Series game. I think it was what, Game 5?
1:06:42
They have been banned by Major League Baseball from all
1:06:47
ballparks indefinitely. How they're going to enforce
1:06:53
that? That's that's what I don't know
1:06:55
we've. Had this conversation before.
1:06:58
They deserve the banning. And while I was looking up whose
1:07:02
quote was this, I almost went with a quote about this
1:07:04
conversation directly related to fans getting banned.
1:07:11
And just there's no way of enforcing.
1:07:13
Like how? How are you going to enforce it?
1:07:15
You have 50,000 fans walking through your gates and tickets
1:07:22
can be shared and texted and like no one, no one cares.
1:07:26
A lady brought in a gun and under her belly fat a few years
1:07:30
ago. Like what?
1:07:32
No one cares, No one's going. They don't pay these security
1:07:36
guards enough. They don't pay these ushers
1:07:38
enough to sit there and hunt down some couple idiots that,
1:07:43
you know, don't know what they're doing.
1:07:45
So thank you, Murray. Murray's always in my corner
1:07:49
Every. Chat Murray in the chat says I
1:07:51
feel Nate when he says he doesn't claim the stupid fans.
1:07:53
I as a Dodger fan do not claim the 13,000 drunken stupid Dodger
1:07:57
fans. So yeah, I feel you, Nate.
1:07:59
That's except the I, I, I feel you Marae.
1:08:02
Like the Dodgers fans aren't claiming other Dodgers fans.
1:08:05
That's completely acceptable. But Nate as a Yankees fan saying
1:08:10
that he doesn't claim another Yankees.
1:08:11
Fan rule doesn't apply. Complete No, the rule absolutely
1:08:14
does not apply. That is your those are your
1:08:16
people. And that was just a despicable
1:08:19
act. And I mean, there was even
1:08:21
headlines that said that they mauled Mookie Betts.
1:08:27
It's up for interpretation what exactly happened.
1:08:29
But you know, those are your like ultimately those are your
1:08:33
people, so. Whatever, we'll see him at the
1:08:37
All Star game. No, no doubt the biggest stage
1:08:42
of the summer. We'll we'll see him.
1:08:43
We'll be there. We'll see him.
1:08:44
Who said it weather is like? Milk weather is like wine.
1:08:45
We have to find out. Whose quote was this?
1:09:14
For those unfamiliar, this is just looking back in the
1:09:17
archives and finding stuff that's just a little bit of a
1:09:21
gem. Maybe something forgotten.
1:09:23
Maybe we were correct, maybe we were wildly incorrect.
1:09:28
But I think this one aged well, buddy.
1:09:32
Before we get into this, just want to pause here real quick
1:09:36
shout out to the the new folks that have joined us.
1:09:40
Thanks to Ryan putting the word out for us, the Ryan Ripken
1:09:45
family. We appreciate you.
1:09:46
We love you all. We welcome you to the three O
1:09:48
take. And as Ryan mentioned, we're
1:09:49
going to be doing a lot of content with with him this
1:09:52
coming season. So stick around, add us to the
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queue like. It's the subscribe button.
1:09:58
We were the ones that Ryan catapulted his career off of.
1:10:02
We were. We were the ones that really got
1:10:04
the kid going. Then that's not an exaggeration.
1:10:07
Like I could, I, I wouldn't, because I'm, I'm not going to
1:10:10
like put him on blast, but like I could show you the text, like
1:10:13
the messages where he reached out was like, Hey, can we, can I
1:10:17
get on there? And don't just don't forget
1:10:19
about us, you know. Don't forget us about us, Ryan,
1:10:21
when the empire takes off. But ultimately, you know, we, we
1:10:25
did very little because I mean, look at what Ryan's doing now.
1:10:28
I mean, he quite literally has like an empire.
1:10:29
So he he took the little bit that we gave him and just ran
1:10:33
to. Baltimore baby.
1:10:34
And now he's just running the world.
1:10:36
But anyway. All right, fella.
1:10:38
Good. Quote is this.
1:10:40
It's a long 1, so hang tight. Can we address this Chris Bryant
1:10:44
to the Rockies situation? Let me just say this.
1:10:47
I've looked at it, at it about a dozen ways.
1:10:50
I cannot find an angle on this transaction that makes any
1:10:53
sense, aside from the possibility that Chris Bryant
1:10:56
just doesn't care about winning and wants to go out in Denver,
1:10:59
which I've been there. You know, this nice place and
1:11:01
maybe he just wants to enjoy mashing at course.
1:11:04
I don't know. Other than that, there's really
1:11:07
no situation. I saw some headline today where
1:11:09
it was like the acquisition of Kris Bryant reaffirms the
1:11:12
Rockies belief in themselves. I'm like, what belief?
1:11:16
There's no attempt to put together a winning ball club
1:11:19
there. What belief are you talking
1:11:21
about? Seven years, 182,000,000.
1:11:25
This is episode 266 back in March of 2022.
1:11:33
I was going to go ahead and preemptively give myself the
1:11:35
correct button because it is me. That's 1000% me.
1:11:41
I mean, I I just nailed it with that one.
1:11:45
You sure did, buddy. I mean, what, what a what a joke
1:11:48
of a situation that's turned out to be.
1:11:49
Stuck the landing. I'm not, I'm not going to, I'm
1:11:52
not going to dance on Chris Bryant's grave like I had, I'm
1:11:54
a, I'm a Chris Bryant fan. I have nothing against him.
1:11:57
But it just, it was a situation just didn't pan out.
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And I I, I think we and probably a lot of other people probably
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saw that being the case because it just didn't seem like a fit
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that made sense. It didn't seem like a fit that
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was necessarily going to, you know, you hear all the time
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about change of scenery and I know it's cores and all that,
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but it just didn't seem like a fit that was going to catapult
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his career to another level in, you know, So I'll, I'll take the
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dub on this loan loan take that I seemingly got right.
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But yeah. I think it's just good to remind
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people, especially this time of year, just remind people that
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not every move is a good move. And and when you get desperate
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in these times, you're just like, please, I need my team to
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do something. It's not always worth it.
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Sometimes no move is the best move.
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So props to you. You called it.
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I don't see any kind of resurgence happening on that
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front. So pretty sure that is going to
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remain and a finely aged quote we are.
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I don't think we've missed anything.
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Yeah, I don't think so. Yeah, Murray wants the Whose
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quote is this song on Spotify? I can't make any promises, but
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I'll see what I can do. I might just send you the sound
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file, which, by the way, like I'm.
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I'm humming that. It sounds pathetic and it is
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pathetic, but like for like hours after we record, I'm like
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humming that to myself. I'm like doing the drum solo.
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Yeah, Paige is in bed and I'm just going to be.
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It's a it's. In the air, drums going.
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It's a banger, yeah. Was I saying summer or was that
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it? I think that's it.
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Were you saying something? Probably, I don't remember.
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We're just sending it, sending it off.
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I'll say we sent it. That was a good, that was a
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great show. It was great show.
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That was a great show. Shout out to again, friend of
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the friend of the program, friend in general, Ryan Ribbon.
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Yeah, See you guys in a couple of days and you're welcome
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because one of those names that we talked about tonight is
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likely going to sign before that next episode because that's how
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it always works with these things.
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But if not, don't go chasing curveballs.
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We love you all and as always, looking forward to talking more
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baseball with you guys soon. Until next time, stay filthy.