Latest / Ageless and Timeless Podcast® / Dr. Patrick K. Porter, BrainTap® creator
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- 0:10Good afternoon everyone. This is Michelle Hughes from Ageless and Timeless. Today,
- 0:14I'm very, very fortunate to have a guest who I've known for a few
- 0:18months now. I met him at the American Academy of Anti Aging, which
- 0:23is the Quintessential Longevity anti Aging show that's held in Las Vegas, and we
- 0:30met in December three months ago. So welcome Patrick. Thanks for having Michelle.
- 0:36It's great to be here. Yeah, I'm glad to have you here,
- 0:39and I know you're on my time zone today, our time zone in
- 0:43LA and I really appreciate you taking much time to get away from your bioacking
- 0:49convention, so I have I'm going to give just a little bit of a
- 0:54background for our viewers, but I wanted to say before I get into your
- 1:00that I've been looking forward to this conversation for since I met you for three
- 1:07months, and I've been using your brain tap, which we're going to talk
- 1:11about today, and I have so many questions to ask you because now that
- 1:17I'm a user, you know obviously so many things generate and you're thinking about
- 1:23the brain. So today it's going to be everything about the brain, if
- 1:26that's okay with you. That's great, That's what I love to talk about.
- 1:30I guess, so you're an expert, You're a v expert. Yeah.
- 1:36Well, actually, Patrick, let me ask an open ended question first,
- 1:38what brought you to this space that you're in now and what were the
- 1:46steps that were basically the turning points in your journey to become the expert in
- 1:52the brain and to develop a brain tap instrument that is actually winning all kinds
- 1:59of awards. So we could talk about that in a moment, but just
- 2:01give us a little background on you. Yeah. Well, I think I
- 2:06was born for it. I was a very difficult student. I was held
- 2:08back in second grade, and so my brain wasn't functioning right. So my
- 2:14dad, fortunately he got help with his alcoholism through something called the Silver method,
- 2:19which is a meditation process that actually works to balance the brain using machines
- 2:24called GSR machines or galvanic skin response systems, which measures the heat in circulation
- 2:30in the hands. This was well before EG for those that know about brain
- 2:36scans and are we had to just use these are the things we knew.
- 2:46This how I started, and then my dad trained me to improve my sports.
- 2:51So I didn't realize that while I was improving my sports. I was
- 2:53going to be improving my brain for other things. And became an honor roll
- 2:57student and got a track scholarship and never was going to do this. This
- 3:00was just something I was doing with my dad. My dad then became a
- 3:05Silva method instructor, so every other weekend in Michigan we were going and giving
- 3:09seminars. So I probably set through a couple of hundred of those. And
- 3:15you know, I was going to go to school for electronics, and my
- 3:17dad was doing his thing with psychology and things of that nature. And then
- 3:23it got to the point where I was doing this as a side job and
- 3:30for about five years, and I started to find that I really liked doing
- 3:32it, and so I went back to school got my degree in psychology,
- 3:37but I still loved electronics. So I want to know, how could I
- 3:39take this these ancient traditions of really working with the brain, Because you know,
- 3:45meditation, mindfulness, people know that helps the brain, but it doesn't
- 3:49move the needle as far as your physiology or neurology. How do you want
- 3:53to think about that? And because we need to add a little bit more,
- 3:57we need to put a little gas on the fire. And that's where
- 3:59the sound and vibration comes into. When we put those things in concert with
- 4:03it, it's kind of like you know when you're at an event and they
- 4:06have the right music, you know the right environment is there. It makes
- 4:11a big difference. You know, if you've got a date with somebody and
- 4:14you've got the right atmosphere and you have a great conversation, then you have
- 4:17a great experience. So what I want to do is create an experience for
- 4:20people with the brain tap. Now, in nineteen eighty six, we endented
- 4:24the very first one, that one we called the MC square, and that
- 4:28was one that got an award way back in nineteen eighty nine, is the
- 4:30best new Gadget of the Consumer Electronic Show that was in Vegas. So and
- 4:35then if we fast forward up to two thousand and two, our app got
- 4:40the award for the Best Sleep App after Consumer Electronics Show Our Sleep Sleep our
- 4:45x app. So we're still going there, We're still showing them, We're
- 4:47still pushing the needle on how does technology help our physiology? And we just
- 4:55for me, it was all about me at first, and then how could
- 4:57I help people that were in the same situation as me with ADHD and add
- 5:01and then we found out, hey, we can help people with pain control,
- 5:04we can help people with dementia, we can help people with anxiety disorders
- 5:09and things of that nature. And now we have three thousand clinics out there
- 5:13helping us to gather data and create the clinical research we need to prove to
- 5:16people that every brain can improve. It's just you have to create the right
- 5:21environment for it to improve. It's kind of like planning a garden. You
- 5:27can have all the best seeds in the world, but if you don't work
- 5:29the environment so those seeds can take root, then you don't get a good
- 5:32garden. The same things true with our physiology and our brain works. So
- 5:36that's kind of what started me. And I just I still feel like I'm
- 5:40just kind of hanging out with my dad and although he's no longer with us,
- 5:44but you know, I'm doing this because it's something I love to do,
- 5:46and I get paid for it, so it's kind of nice too.
- 5:49Well. They say that if you can find that pearl in the oyster,
- 5:55that what you have brought here to do and the gift that you have to
- 6:00be able to realize your dreams, which is really an action plan, right.
- 6:05You can't have a dream without having hard work, sweat, perspiration,
- 6:10all that behind it. But the fact that you could find that so early
- 6:13in your life is such a gift because so many people go through their lives
- 6:17and they never know why was I brought here? What is my passion?
- 6:21What am I supposed to be accomplishing, what is how am I going to
- 6:25make a difference in the world? And all those things that you've done,
- 6:30Patrick, and you would give it that given. You should obviously thank your
- 6:33father, even through adversity and his illness, he found an answer. And
- 6:40that it's interesting and ironic and coincidental that I emailed you the other day and
- 6:46asked you about the Silver Method because I had come across some articles and I
- 6:49was curious to know what you thought. So that was just coincidental that you
- 6:55grew up with that. And that's been a life changing experience to go through
- 6:59the Silver Method classes and how it shaped your father's life and changed him and
- 7:04cured him and now of course, and then it helped you and through your
- 7:09your challenges. So well, that's a wonderful story and I hope people get
- 7:15encouraged when they hear how inspirational it is to find that passion and to be
- 7:21able to then realize your dreams, which is what you're doing every day.
- 7:26And by the way, in doing so, you're helping all these other people.
- 7:30So what a great gift Patrick. I did have a lot of questions
- 7:35that as we delve into let's talk everything the brain. My first question is
- 7:42why is it that the brain has become so much more prevalent in all the
- 7:47media, in all the Internet and just so many of more so much more
- 7:53awareness and discussion about the brain. Why do you think that has happened.
- 8:00Well, there's a couple factors. Number one is people are living longer,
- 8:03so we're finding the extent of our genetics. You know, when does it
- 8:09start wearing out? And what did our previous experiences in our life due to
- 8:13brain health? So we're finding that out. Unfortunately, a lot of people
- 8:16are way too late, you know. And also I think stress. Most
- 8:18people don't understand that chronic low level stress is probably the biggest factor in why
- 8:26people get dementia and even leads to Alzheimer's because that stress disregulates the brain.
- 8:33And in the past, we didn't know that because we didn't have technology to
- 8:39measure it. Now we can measure the brain, we can see what's going
- 8:41on over time, and we can also see is this technique that we're talking
- 8:46about does that actually improve over time? Does the brain improve? And we're
- 8:50finding that it does if you're doing certain techniques like light side of vibration and
- 8:56proper foods that you eat, and exercise and movement. There's a lot of
- 9:00things we can do to improve the brain. And we now kind of we
- 9:03have a formula that's been proven in science. And when it wasn't you know,
- 9:07when you think about it, in two thousand, before two thousand,
- 9:11everyone thought the brain couldn't change. And now there's something called neuroplasticity that's just
- 9:16all the rage, and that neuroplasticity means the brain is able to change at
- 9:20any point in time in your life, right, And that the brain is
- 9:26a muscle and it is like going to the gym to work out your other
- 9:30muscles, that you're working out your brain muscle. That people never really considered
- 9:35the brain in that way, right, that's right. Yeah, they just
- 9:39thought, hey, the brain wears down like a like a knife blade.
- 9:43And now we know, hey, that might be true, but we can
- 9:45sharpen that knife. We can do different physiological exercises and breathing techniques, and
- 9:52you know, there's different ways to keep the brain in its peak level because
- 9:54the brain, like the liver, it can rebuild itself. You know,
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- 10:48neuroplasticity, I think most people don't know that term, but I think that's
- 10:54becoming more understood these days. That really it's the capacity of the brain to
- 11:00work, right, it's the energy, the energy of the brain and depth
- 11:03tailing on what you just said that the brain is the able to regenerate itself.
- 11:09And it doesn't have to be that you have a sentence of some kind
- 11:16of dementia or Alzheimer's in your future because you can regenerate your your DNA and
- 11:22the brain. You can do the things that you just mentioned that are integrative,
- 11:26like your diet and your stress levels, and so for meditation, the
- 11:30brain tap of course, that helps to help people to regenerate the organ that
- 11:37they thought was going to just deteriorate over time. So this is this is
- 11:41mind blowing really for all of us. So how can we prevent dementia and
- 11:48Alzheimer's. So this has become I think one of the biggest epidemics of our
- 11:52times. And you know what, I'm old enough to remember that when I
- 11:54was growing up, I never heard those terms. Right. Yeah, it's
- 12:00a relatively new it's a very new disorder. When you think about ancient traditions,
- 12:05they didn't keep the wisdom of the tribe with the young people. They
- 12:09kept it with the elders, so that tells us that there's a lifestyle problem
- 12:15that we're having problems with that. So the first thing people need to do.
- 12:18Of course, I'm going to talk about brain tap, but the first
- 12:20thing is your diet. You have to feed your brain. We're in a
- 12:24totally different lifestyle now. We used to feed our bodies because we're farmers,
- 12:28you know, and we'd be out there working all day, and so we
- 12:31had a high carb diet and things of that nature. Unfortunately, that actually
- 12:37robs your brain of energy because your brain needs essential fats, good fats omega
- 12:41threes primarily, so and there's other things like eating blueberries and you know,
- 12:48different things, but there's we need to feed our brain. Number two,
- 12:52we need to be moving and breathing. You know. They say that now
- 12:56sitting is the new smoking. That's because our nervous system is more of a
- 13:00nervous system of action. It's not a nervous system of sedentariness. When we're
- 13:03sedendy. The nervous system and that's really part of the brain because seventy percent
- 13:09of your nervous system is between your ears. So when you think about when
- 13:11I'm talking about nervous system, I'm including the brain in that, and I'm
- 13:15including all three brains from the heart brain to the gut brain, so all
- 13:20of these and it's all about communication. So when you're not moving but you
- 13:24have stress, like for instance, on the computer, you're working on the
- 13:28computer or playing a computer game, your brain doesn't discern if that's real or
- 13:33imagine. So, but you're not moving, but your brain thinks you're doing
- 13:39all these different things, and you know you're having all these threats and attacks.
- 13:43And so one thing to do is to eat right, get up and
- 13:46move or stand throughout the day instead of sitting, and then do some kind
- 13:50of brain fitness and that's where you know, brain tap comes in. Or
- 13:56doing some kind of breathwork or doing tai chi or yoga or dancing a physical
- 14:00exercise actually works out the brain as well. Well, you just said something
- 14:05very important to the gut, the heart and the brain axis and the microbiome
- 14:11of each and how they're integrated. So the other hot topic these days,
- 14:16and all throughout the show in Vegas, if you saw there was so much
- 14:20on the microbiome. However, the microbiome is usually referred to in the gut
- 14:26only, but we you know, and you just said how these three are
- 14:31integrated. So can you talk for a moment about just go through some of
- 14:37the concepts of good nutrition that can help the gut that will also then help
- 14:41your brain fitness number one. If you now you have to make sure you're
- 14:48taught the body type they can do it. But if you can do intermittent
- 14:50fasting, that's really good for the brain. It creates something called autopagy,
- 14:54so it clears out those what they call zombie cells and things like that that
- 14:58are just messing with the system. But as far as food goes, really
- 15:05I like the what they called the forty thirty thirty diet where it's protein,
- 15:11thirty percent you know, fats, and then thirty percent carbs, and this
- 15:16seems to be the right balance. But the reality is, if you look
- 15:18at if you're really confused, just watching an over episode of I Love Lucy,
- 15:22when Ethel and Lucy are at the at the fountain having a lunch,
- 15:28you don't see a big burger and a big gall but you see as a
- 15:35half a sandwich and a little tumbler of soda. Now I'm not a big
- 15:39I don't drink soda myself, but I mean your body can handle anything in
- 15:43moderation. The problem is that the toxic load from the foods that most people
- 15:46are consuming, and the number one culprit is sugar. So sugar is the
- 15:50death kill to the brain. So just start eliminating sugar in all the places
- 15:56you can and start increasing the good fats with a lot of people were afraid
- 16:00because we went through this fat phobia stage as Americans, you know, from
- 16:04the really the nineties into the early two thousands, and then they realized,
- 16:11hey, look it, we need that fat because our brains are suffering.
- 16:15Our brains suffer when we don't get the right fat because then we get too
- 16:18much inflammation. So number two, yeah, yeah, I was gonna say
- 16:26number two, we need to move and breathe. You know, a lot
- 16:30of people do yoga nowadays, but what they don't know is that yoga was
- 16:33all designed to get the get the person ready for meditation. So a lot
- 16:38of people do all that great yoga, but then they jump up and they
- 16:41leave the yoga studio without doing their yoga. Nidra that that's the part that
- 16:47gives the neural plasticity. The yoga itself doesn't do as much because that's stressful
- 16:52for the body. It's in the recovery phase that your brain reorganizes itself.
- 16:56So it's really important that we whether we do tai chi yoga or just close
- 17:02the windows and doors, turn the music up and dance, our body needs
- 17:04to move. In fact, there was a guy named al Carter who really
- 17:10was famous throughout the Mini tramp that everybody started selling it all these stores all
- 17:17over because it moves the lymphatic system. And he said that babies should be
- 17:22bored with a sticker on their forehead that says shake well before opening, because
- 17:26our body needs to We need to move and breathe to get our lymphatic system
- 17:30moving, and that includes our brain. So when we're doing that, our
- 17:33brain has something called the glial lymphomic system. But they now know before twenty
- 17:37fifteen, you didn't even know. You can't go back in time and find
- 17:42any medical literature about the glial lymphomic system before twenty fifteen because they didn't realize
- 17:49it until they had the instruments that showed that it turns on during level four
- 17:53sleep. But if you're too stressed out, you don't ever reach level four
- 17:57sleep. So it's really key, and part of that movement is we need,
- 18:02we need periods of high intense effort and then we need and we need
- 18:07times of low total re recharge relaxation because that that helps with something called heart
- 18:15rate variability. And this is what they now know is we have the electrical
- 18:19system, which is the brain between our ears, but we have the magnetic
- 18:22system, which is our heart, which is much more powerful and actually can
- 18:29be registered up to eighteen feet away from a person. So but these two
- 18:33organized, these two organizing fields, which now NIH calls the bio field.
- 18:37So they're starting to get more into energy medicine just because we have to take
- 18:42into account every part of our you know, our physiology, our psychology,
- 18:48and also this quantum part of our nature. You know, they don't really
- 18:51know how the brain works still, so that's where the brain fitness comes in.
- 18:53But if you're not eating right, and you're not you're not moving and
- 18:57breathing, which one of these can help you, you know, with your
- 19:02longevity and with your health. But when you put these three together and you
- 19:06add in the brain fitness part, what happens is you get the synergy effect.
- 19:10It's not one plus one plus one is three. It's one plus one
- 19:14plus one is nine, you know, because the body, the body goes
- 19:17to a superstate and starts to heal you. Yeah, so it's at yes,
- 19:22one plus one does plus one does not equal three in castall right,
- 19:26it's greater than the whole, greater than the sum of the parts. But
- 19:30so does that explanation help people to understand why Alzheimer's in dementia are such epidemics
- 19:41in our world today and weren't weren't even words in our vocabulary fifty years ago.
- 19:48Well, there's one of the biggest problems is the medication that's out there
- 19:51that strips the body of it of its fats in their bloodstream because there there's
- 19:56a big misnomer about cholesterol, and so they put people on this cholesterol lowing
- 20:03lowering drug and it strips out your brain is almost all fat. Right,
- 20:08that's a very good point. Fortunately, when you're taking the statins, you
- 20:15are clearing out the fats. So that's and it's crazy because everybody seems to
- 20:19be on them and they'll get there. There's also been a big rise in
- 20:25neuropathy because it's gonna the miling sheath that that basically protects us from getting painful
- 20:32reactions to our nervous system. Uh, that's no longer present because that's made
- 20:36out of fat. So our body is being stripped of it. And here's
- 20:38the here's the real problem is they're checking the cholesterol from the blood stream,
- 20:44but the problem of people have is in the capillaries. So there was a
- 20:48study done with peanut oil, and you know, peanut oil became all the
- 20:52rage because they did this study with monkeys and they showed that there's none of
- 20:56this peanut oil in their blood stream. They thought, wow, we found
- 21:00this magical oil. But every monkey in the study died within a year.
- 21:06And that study and what they found out when they did the when they basically
- 21:14cut them open, found out what happened is all that pat got depositing their
- 21:17capillaries. This is why I believe every person on earth should be taking a
- 21:21low dose of niacin or B three because that niacin in the flush will help
- 21:26to keep the capillaries clear of the fats flogging up the system. You know,
- 21:33I think that you're talking about this because doctor Graham Simpson, who's going
- 21:37to be a guest on my podcast a couple of weeks. But I was
- 21:41reading his new book and he mentions you and that you've been friends for a
- 21:47long time. You know who I'm talking about, Yes, Graham Simpson so,
- 21:52and he talks about cholesterol is one of the greatest hoaxes of all time
- 21:56because people, you know, these people of pushing the pharmaceutical industry, pushing
- 22:02Staton drugs. But people don't really understand the cholesterol is not bad. Cholesterol
- 22:06is actually good. If it's a good cholesterol, and it is you know
- 22:10what you just said, it is the highest percentage is in the brain and
- 22:15uh, and the liver needs the cholesterol. However, it's just gotten such
- 22:19a bad rap and they do it so like it's so simplistic instead of scientific.
- 22:26And yeah, they're they're looking at you, they're looking at the body
- 22:29like it's an automobile. And then all you have to do is change out
- 22:34this spark plug or change the catalytic converter. And the problem is that your
- 22:38body is like beads on a string. You pull on one string and it
- 22:44basically everything's connected. There's no there's no disconnection from your adrenal function to your
- 22:51vegas nerve stimulation. And what's the problem is now is our medical field has
- 22:56become so specialized. They've become really, lack of a better word, ignorant
- 23:00about how the whole system works. The system works as a whole. We
- 23:04don't it doesn't work our physiologicum. There's so much that that they just jump
- 23:18on one thing or another. And I think it's good to have specialists,
- 23:22but they've got to be educated in how it all works and not just take
- 23:26one piece of data and go off. And you know, the drug companies
- 23:30they're just looking for Hey, we've got this short term study. It shows
- 23:33that we took cholesterol out of the bloodstream. But then the only test is
- 23:37on the American public or the world. American takes ninety percent of the drugs
- 23:41in the world, So you know what happens is the you know we're going
- 23:47to find There's there's a lot of movies that they're like uh stanton nation people
- 23:52can watching. I mean a lot of people don't realize that that cholesterol is
- 23:56like a fire department and it's it's putting down this coat so you don't get
- 24:00inflammation. As soon as you clear out the cholesterol, your inflammation goes through
- 24:03the roof. Right. You need to have your doctor be uh informed by
- 24:10you Sometimes they don't. They don't offer this, but they need to do
- 24:14the blood testing that is breaking down into the the the good cholesterol, the
- 24:19bad cholesterol, the apo lightpoprotein A and B, and all the things that
- 24:26will show you whether you are even measuring your carotid artery just just to basically
- 24:32see whether you have what you just mentioned, which is you know, the
- 24:36capillaries and the arteries being being filled with the bad cholesterol. That's where heart
- 24:42attacks occur, not your absolute cholesterol. And the brain, as you said,
- 24:47is mostly fat. So you know, if you if you rob the
- 24:49body of absolute cholesterol, you're you're taking away the nutrition of the brain,
- 24:55as you've pointed out. So Patrick, talk about if you would the different
- 25:00brain state, So I think people, yeah, you know, get confused,
- 25:06so you know the alpha. Would you go through each one and just
- 25:08tell us what each one is. Yeah, when we think about now we
- 25:14need every brain wave. There's no like villain brainwave. It's really think of
- 25:18it as state dependent brain waves. So I always tell people your brain waves
- 25:22are like healing Wi Fi systems. If we don't have those, and I'm
- 25:25going to talk a little bit about what they are doing to the body.
- 25:27But let's start with beta, where we're talking right now, and this means
- 25:30our prevailing awareness is in beta. This is where we're awake, we're functioning,
- 25:34we can interact and react to situations. It's also the beta brain is
- 25:40the only brain state where you feel pained. So the more stressed you are,
- 25:45the more anxious you are, the more your pain amplifies. So in
- 25:48order to get people out of pain, we need to drop them out of
- 25:51beta and get them into more of an alpha state. Alpha. Most everybody
- 25:56who's going to be listening to this has been in alpha before. Go ahead
- 26:00you for one second. I just this was a question that came to mind.
- 26:03So in the beta state, that's the thinking that's your thinking state,
- 26:07and that is where you would have your fear and anxiety and frustrations and all.
- 26:12So that's the state that you really don't want to be in. Like
- 26:17when they say I'm overthinking something, that would be the beta. Yeah,
- 26:22if if you have more than forty five percent of your brain in beta,
- 26:26because it's a mixture of brainwaves that are happening all the time. But if
- 26:29you have more than forty five percent, you will get over anxious, also
- 26:33overtired. You at the end of the day, you'll just to be exhausted.
- 26:36You won't even be able to watch a television program or something you said
- 26:40on the couch, you pass out. So the as the as, the
- 26:45as, the body and mind work together. What happens is the best brainwave
- 26:48state. And then I'll go through them all, just everybody. We kind
- 26:51of get the whole brain waves seen out there. Forty five percent beta,
- 26:56thirty percent alpha, in about ten percent data, and then the rest is
- 27:00split between delta and gamma. And then I'll talk about why we have to
- 27:04have that mixture. We call it a full spectrum brainway. And if we're
- 27:08missing, for instance, let's say that you have not enough beta and you
- 27:12have let's say a forty five percent alpha and thirty percent data, now you're
- 27:17going to have a tension deficit with hyperactive tendencies. I see that brain profile
- 27:23all the time, So we would have to train their brain to Now,
- 27:27if you're're a creative person or you're in an art class, or you're in
- 27:32a creative problem solving, that might be the right brain state for you.
- 27:36Because you're a you know, you create kind of a field of infinite possibility
- 27:38because your brain is kind of wide open because the alpha state is that daydreaming
- 27:44state. And that's why they say that Einstein functioned mostly in ten Hurts,
- 27:48which is alpha, and he was fond of He was fond of saying that,
- 27:52you know, that's why time is not Time is only really fixed in
- 27:59beta. When you get into alpha, time is suspended. And Einstein's very
- 28:03very famous quote is you know, when you're around a beautiful woman for an
- 28:07hour, it seems like a minute. You're sitting in a hot stove for
- 28:10a minute, it seems like an hour. So you know, when you
- 28:12outside of time, alpha state puts you outside of time. Okay, timeless,
- 28:18yes, podcast ageless and timeless s though I guess part of my podcast
- 28:23is in the alpha state, right that's right? Well, yeah, And
- 28:27you want to get into the alpha state as much as possible that you can,
- 28:32because that's when your body liberates and starts turning on the parasympathetic system.
- 28:37This sympathetic system, which is your fight or flight is activated by beta.
- 28:41That's where your reticular activating system resides, that primitive part of our brain that
- 28:45keeps us safe. It is always observing our environment and saying, hey,
- 28:48am I Okay here, am I all right to move forward? You know,
- 28:52it's also that critical part of our nature. Let me get into alpha,
- 28:55that criticism kind of goes away and you're in this. I tell people
- 28:59that think of beta brain as like the lawyers, and the alpha brain is
- 29:03like the California surfers. You know, that's the difference, you know,
- 29:07you know, yeah, so we need to have both of them. Now
- 29:10when we get to theta, this is a place that very few people are
- 29:14able to get to in meditation. Even though if you went on the internet
- 29:17you think everybody's getting the theta. I can tell you after scanning thirty thousand
- 29:21brains over the last ten years, I can count on one hand how many
- 29:25people who meditate without brain tap get the theta. They all think they are,
- 29:29but it's it's a very small brainwave. It's a very small bandwidth from
- 29:33seven to four herds, and it's something that we moved through in the morning
- 29:38and at night usually we're going to bed unless you're practicing some kind of meditation
- 29:44or mindfulness or using brain tap. Now theta. We call this the inventive
- 29:48mind because when I was doing my research for my first book, which was
- 29:52called awakened the genius. I noticed that almost every inventor, and I think
- 29:56now I could probably say every inventor had some strategy. When they didn't have
- 30:00a solution to a problem in their lab, they would go into an altered
- 30:03state and they would come up with the solution, whether it was too like
- 30:07they say that Edison would take a cat nap with a fork in his hand
- 30:11and a pan underneath it, and he would go to sleep with a problem,
- 30:15and when the spoon or the fork hit the pan, the solution would
- 30:19come into his mind. And he got that idea from jet fighters during World
- 30:23War two or airplane five. They didn't have jets back then, but they
- 30:27would. Basically, they told him they could sleep as long as they wanted,
- 30:30as long as they could hold onto the spoon. So they were getting
- 30:37these guys, they were getting them to believe that they got all the sleep
- 30:40they needed, but it was only sometimes forty five minutes or an hour.
- 30:44And so then when you get into Delta, Delta is the also a timeless
- 30:48place. All the states below, but Delta is a truly timeless place.
- 30:55Most people out there have had a dream and they felt like they were trapped
- 30:57in that dream and then when they dream was over, they woke up.
- 31:02I'm glad that was a dream. I can't believe that was happening. The
- 31:03reality is that the average dream less seven seconds. So how many dreams do
- 31:10we have at night? There could be literally hundreds, if not thousands dreams.
- 31:14You could even have a whole life experience in your dreams and it might
- 31:17only take five or ten minutes. So in the process of that's also when
- 31:22you get that deep cycle. You have to get that level for sleep.
- 31:26So if anyone out there has ever been sleeping and they woke up but they
- 31:30had sleep paralysis, you were in deep level sleep. Because what happens during
- 31:36that level of sleep the brain literally goes offline and that's when the glial lymphomic
- 31:41system activates. So I tell people, think of Henry Ford and you're making
- 31:45model ts and you need to clean the line. You're not going to have
- 31:48them working while you're cleaning the line. The line's gonna shut down. You're
- 31:52going to clean the line, then you're going to go back to work.
- 31:55That's the way the brain works, and so usually this happens seven or eight
- 31:59times while you're sleeping. That's why if you're using something like the ore ring
- 32:04or the biostrap or any of these other whoops you'll see if you're tracking your
- 32:09ship score. The sleep is more like a wave. It's not like you
- 32:15dropped down into delta and stayed there for four hours. And then those four
- 32:20have really been the ones that most people think about, but there's a lot
- 32:22more. But the one that's really coming on strong now because of dimension Alzheimer's
- 32:27which you were talking about, is gamma. And gamma is the bass drum
- 32:30of the brain. So when when gamma gets disregulated, we should have anywhere
- 32:36between you know, three to seven percent gamma activity. Most people we scan
- 32:40have zero. You know, it's not even there. And so that's one
- 32:45of the reasons why the brain just gets disregulated. So once the brain gets
- 32:51in that bass drum gets in there. You know, it's kind of like
- 32:52having a marching band. If we didn't have that bass drum keeping the cadence,
- 32:57the band would get all out of tune. The same as true with
- 33:00the brains. So that's why studies like an m I t And when I
- 33:04went there when they were doing the study on the blue light therapy at forty
- 33:07hurts, I basically went there and showed them the brain tap and I'm really
- 33:13upset that we didn't have them sign a nondisclosure because they actually came up with
- 33:16a headset that that flashes at forty hurts frequency. We do the same thing
- 33:21with brain tap, but we thought of it first, but they actually proved
- 33:23that that blue light flashing at forty hurts frequency. The thing that we proved
- 33:29was you can't just keep at forty hurts frequency. Ours can go up to
- 33:31as high as eighty five cycles per second. So we need to train the
- 33:36brain to have these these really superstates where the brain clears out the neurofunction and
- 33:43then you return back to let's say normal time for actual a better word,
- 33:47and then you're able to process your day to day activity with more energy.
- 33:52Is the gamma where taking acetal choline and gamma would be the most beneficial.
- 34:01Yeah, your brain. Each of these brain waves, by the way,
- 34:05is triggering your gut to make these neurotransmitters you know, are made in the
- 34:12gut, or more so, when we're in alphare, our brain is the
- 34:15primary one the brain starts to make as a set of choline. When we're
- 34:17in theta, it's gabba, and gabba's a precursor to DMT. So when
- 34:22you think about people having spiritual experiences when they're in these deep states or in
- 34:27these gamma states like the Buddhist a depths, that's because their brain is teeming
- 34:30with these neurotransmitters. Because the brain is the most powerful pharmacy on earth.
- 34:35It can dispense thirty thousand different neurochemicals. So when, of course, a
- 34:38lot of people just think of delta and seratonin. But the biggest reason we
- 34:44have BETA is the problem is dopamine. You know, there's even a book
- 34:47called Dopamine Nation, because we that most people don't know the dopamine is triggered
- 34:54not by the act of doing something. So when somebody has an addiction,
- 34:58it's not the addiction that that's causing the dopamine. It's the thought about the
- 35:02addiction that's creating the dopamine. And that's why they can never it never satisfies
- 35:07them. You know, I tell people, when when I was in college,
- 35:12we'd we'd all you know those guys, we'd all get dressed up,
- 35:15We're going to go out and do our thing, and then we get to
- 35:16the nightclub and it's never as fun as it was while we were thinking about
- 35:20it in our head, you know, And that that happens to the that
- 35:22happens to the attic because it's a thought of what you're going to it's the
- 35:25anticipation the excitement that does it, not the excitement as well. So just
- 35:31for a moment, let's talk about the neurotransmitters are very important I think in
- 35:36our world to in our very toxic world today, that people understand that there
- 35:42are ways to generate good good feelings and that is a biochemical um as well
- 35:47as as spiritual, emotional, physical, you know. But this this neurotransmitters
- 35:53really are the focus for generating the well as you said, serotonin, dopamine,
- 36:01and i'll eephrine. So what do you talk for a moment about how
- 36:06they all work and how we can tap into that if we want to start
- 36:10feeling more positive about the experience for having in the world. Right, I'll
- 36:15tell I'll talk first about how we would do it in traditional ancient times,
- 36:20because what we've done is we've taken what they did in ancient traditions. We've
- 36:23made this modern technology called brain tap. So whether you have the brain tap
- 36:27or not, one of the ways. In Japan they call it forest bathing
- 36:30and basically just taking a walk out in nature because nature actually has a resident
- 36:36frequency of about ten hurts, that's alpha. So whether you're sitting by the
- 36:39ocean or taking a walk in the woods, your body sinks to that because
- 36:44every gene pair and every DNA pair is always changing, actually at a rate
- 36:49of every forty seconds DNA pair, and your body is changing based on where
- 36:54you're at in the universe. So what foods have you eaten, what people
- 36:58have you talked to, what are you doing? Your body is constantly changing.
- 37:05That's why I tell people when you think about neuro transmitter production and what's
- 37:08going on, your body doesn't want the neuro transmitters from this morning right now.
- 37:13He wants the neuro trailers at the moment. So think of your body
- 37:15more like a river. You know, when I look at a river,
- 37:16people go, that's the Mississippi River, and I'll say, well, that's
- 37:21this moment's Mississippi River. Because the water that was there this morning is now
- 37:23downstream. So a lot of people are looking at the downstream functioning of the
- 37:29body, and the reality is that we're our body works best in a flow
- 37:32state. What I mean. What I mean by that is when what we
- 37:37need at the moment we adjust, amplify, and then project out into our
- 37:40world, our reality. So as we as we work with that being.
- 37:45That's why so many people are talking about being in the moment. So today
- 37:50we're under so much stress. The average person looks at their phone over three
- 37:53hundred times a day. We did a study in our clinic research facility where
- 38:00we put a person's phone in another room. They could not hear it,
- 38:04We silenced it, and we had them hooked up to EG. Every time
- 38:07they got a notification their brain, they had a cortical response in their reptilian
- 38:14brain, which means that their brain was hearing it or being signaled by it,
- 38:19almost like a quantum entanglement. Even though they couldn't hear it, they
- 38:22couldn't see it, they didn't even know what was going on, but their
- 38:24body knew it. You know. It's kind of like when there's a lot
- 38:29of research now going on about how do people know, Like how do you
- 38:31know when somebody's looking at you? You know, you're sitting there and you
- 38:35have this feeling like somebody's looking at you. Then you turn and they are
- 38:37you know. That's because we are connected. There's no disconnection here, and
- 38:45when our brain's operating at its highest level of efficiency, we're processing more data.
- 38:50So we process a lot of data, but what happens is we isolate
- 38:53it and we remove it from our conscious awareness because it's too much information at
- 38:58any one time. Just as a fun fact, a couple of fun facts
- 39:02for people, our eyes process about two thousand pieces of information every second,
- 39:07but our eyes send to our brain over ten million pieces of information. So
- 39:14as a neuroscientist, we'd say, you're making this all up, you know.
- 39:17And one of the big examples they have is, you know, when
- 39:21you can't find the salt shaker in the kitchen, but somebody who's you know,
- 39:23you're with says it's right there in the counter, and he says,
- 39:27no, it's not. Then they walk out and there it is. It's
- 39:29because they say we only render about twenty percent of our world. I mean,
- 39:34we render one hundred percent, but we only really process or see twenty
- 39:38percent. Hearing everyone is hearing about twenty five thousand pieces of information every second,
- 39:45but we only process about two thousand pieces of information. Hearing is what
- 39:50you're saying you're scry to interrupret what you're saying. Is that just like when
- 39:53you're in the gym if you're trying to exercise muscles but you're not getting to
- 39:59the level of actual change in your muscle fitness because you're doing the same thing,
- 40:06but it's not getting you the improved results. Is that similar to yes,
- 40:12yeah, so we want to that's why. That's why when you do
- 40:15these mindfulness exercises or brain tap, you're silencing all of this information and you're
- 40:21letting the brain take really a brain break so that it can reassess at night.
- 40:28This is the most powerful time for the hippocampus because at night, when
- 40:30we go to sleep, the hippocampus one of its main jobs is to process
- 40:35things that we've seen, heard, and experience during the day, sort organize
- 40:38and put them into perspectives so if we need them in the future, we
- 40:42can recall them. But if we all know that under stress, we don't
- 40:45have the same memory as we do when we're relaxed and comfortable. That's because
- 40:49of blood flow and circulation decreases in the hippocampus under stress, fear, anxiety,
- 40:54and you know, if we think about the last three years. Most
- 40:58people are just waiting for the other shoot drop. You know, they don't
- 41:01they're not anticipating the world getting better. Unfortunately, most people are anticipating the
- 41:06world getting worse. I think that we need to look at the world more.
- 41:09We have something called the psychoimmunology factor, meaning that our thoughts actually either
- 41:19improve our immunology. World a series of threats, our immune system shuts down.
- 41:23If we look at the world as a series of challenges, it bolsters
- 41:28the immune system and functions better. So we have to kind of change.
- 41:30And that's why you're having an optimistic view of the world is much better than
- 41:35having a pessimistic view of the world. And that's why when Napoleon Hill said
- 41:39what you believe you can achieve or what you think about you'll bring about.
- 41:43Those are very accurate statements and perceptive statements for what you're talking about, because
- 41:50that is looking at the well. I hate to say the old average,
- 41:52but the glass to me, the glass should be overflowing, not have fully
- 41:58Yeah, yeah, they say they somebody said, you're missing the point.
- 42:00The glasses refillable too. Well, what is the Let's go through for a
- 42:07moment, because our time is going to run out and I knew this would
- 42:10happen. But if you're just for a moment, go through the neuro the
- 42:15power, and the sympathetic nervous system, so people understand that whole autonomic nervous
- 42:20system regulation that. I know you did that test when we were at the
- 42:24show, and I would like to spend a moment on that too, But
- 42:29can you just go through and define each of those nervous system states. Yeah,
- 42:36So when we're when we're relaxed and comfortable, we're around people that we
- 42:39love and they give us a lot of leeway. Typically we're in a state
- 42:43called the parasympathetic system. That's the rest relaxed digest system, and we should
- 42:47be a third of that. We should be like if we're on idol,
- 42:51we're in neutral. We should have about a third of our nervous system functioning
- 42:54in that realm. These are called They measure them by high frequency wave,
- 43:00slow frequency waves, and ultra high frequency waves. So our body can register
- 43:05these through our heart because our heart is actually the one. Think of the
- 43:07heart also as the conductor. It's it's actually telling the nervous system what to
- 43:12do. That's why there's more heart attacks on Monday morning than any other day
- 43:15of the week because people don't have their heart in their job. So but
- 43:19there's the most people get triggered, which means stressful events happen, and it
- 43:24shuts down their nervous system because the sympathetic system that's the fighter flight system comes
- 43:30online. Now before the fight or flight system, there's the freeze system.
- 43:35Every animal plays possum and if we do that enough, what happens. It
- 43:38interrupts the system. So if you get enough interruptions, the brain or the
- 43:45body will start to think that's normal. So we want to be we want
- 43:51to be in the flow, in a flow state. So there's the third
- 43:54system of the body. It's called the neural hormonal system. And this is
- 43:59really where talking about the adrenals or physiology. Most people, unfortunately regulate their
- 44:05nervous system through their biological system, which means they drink coffee to wake up
- 44:09in the morning, they take something to go to sleep. They in the
- 44:14middle of the afternoon when they should be doing a brain tap session or doing
- 44:16a mind pfulness exercise. At two o'clock in the afternoon, they have a
- 44:21cup of coffee or tea. And these are all times that when we use
- 44:24the biological system. It's okay to do that occasionally, But think of that
- 44:30system like your backup generator. So you want to if you use your backup
- 44:35generator all the time and then a real storm happens, you're not going to
- 44:37have the fuel to get you through that storm. So that's what happened to
- 44:42a lot of people during the years of twenty twenty and twenty twenty one.
- 44:45They didn't have a backup system. They were already they were already maxed out.
- 44:49So but when these three are regulating. I love this statement that Mike
- 44:52Tyson said. Everybody has a plant, they get hit. Your nervous system
- 44:59should be able to get hit. For instance, if you're wondering, if
- 45:01you're yeah, yeah, if you if you're one of the people that let's
- 45:06say you're driving through town, somebody cuts you off, it's okay to get
- 45:09upset. I mean, that was a life threatening experience, you know,
- 45:13But if you're still talking about it four or five hours later, you probably
- 45:15have just regulated nervous system, because we should get over it, you know.
- 45:21I love gandas said in his book Autobiography of Yogi, says the difference
- 45:25between children's and adults is children will get upset angry and get over it.
- 45:30Parents would talk about what the children were getting angry about for three or four
- 45:32days. So we need to we need to get rid of the negative and
- 45:37just focus on that positive. Right, let it, let it go right?
- 45:40Yes, I love that expression, just get over it. Well,
- 45:45before I want to be sure that we I know I maybe didn't let you
- 45:51answer that whole question, but I want to be sure that we talked about
- 45:53the brain chaps. So give us an elevator three thousand sheet above sea level.
- 46:00Let's say, just give us a little bit of an overview of the
- 46:02brain tap and what people can do to access and use the brain tap to
- 46:09improve their brain energy. Okay, so we've known for a long time,
- 46:15actually since the eighteen hundreds that sound can affect the brain. They didn't know
- 46:20what it was doing, but they knew that the brain would balance, and
- 46:22they called these things binaural beats. So that means we put a frequency of
- 46:28different durations in the into the ear. Let's say three hundred hurts in money
- 46:34and the other. It doesn't have to be those specific, but this is
- 46:35an example the brain. Here's a phantom sound. Well, This is the
- 46:38first step. When I first got involved with light and sound research, we
- 46:42wanted to see how we'd balance the brain, and then we then we did
- 46:45it with light. So you think about the eyes in the ocular system.
- 46:50There's a lot of research out there for retinal flashing. Your eyes have more
- 46:54mitochondria per square inch than any other part of the body. Now, the
- 46:58brain has the most andrea, but the eyes actually absorb light and transmit light.
- 47:04So what happens is if we want to get light into the brain,
- 47:07the eyes are one of the best ways, but your eyes are closed when
- 47:09you're doing with brain tap because you don't need a lot of light to make
- 47:12this happen. And we use four seventy nanometer light in our studies, especially
- 47:16our sleep studies. We have shown, like with coal miners in Australia,
- 47:22that they had a seventy percent improvement in sleep in three weeks by using brain
- 47:27tap right before they went to bed. And then so what we did over
- 47:30time is we found out how can we make enhancement experience. So we added
- 47:32the ear lights. A lot of people go, what do you have lights
- 47:36in the ears for? Well, the best way to deliver energy to the
- 47:38brain is not only through the eyes, but through the ears because all the
- 47:42blood in the body passes through the ears, So we can in the way
- 47:46photobiomodulation works is the red blood cells absorb the light energy and it circulates the
- 47:52body till it finds a cell that is dying with the call apoptosis, and
- 47:55then if the light can if the energy can get there before the cell dies,
- 48:00that cell will actually absorb that energy and the CREB cycle that starts up
- 48:05the cell will come up again. They actually, they actually when you think
- 48:08about ageless and timeless, they have proven that the cells if we can give
- 48:14the cells the right energy in the form of lights on and vibration and we
- 48:17can detox those cells. There's no reason that a cell can't stay alive forever.
- 48:22The only reason experience or it doesn't get the toxins assistently. So with
- 48:31brain tap, what we're doing is you're going to put this on. We're
- 48:35going to isolate lights on and vibration. So we're taking the senses of the
- 48:37brain and we're teleporting them from just sitting in a chair relaxing to a frequency
- 48:44response. So the brain doesn't know the difference between being next to that body
- 48:49of water, that ocean or that liver, that river or that stream,
- 48:52or walking on a nature then listening to a brain tap session because the brain
- 48:55only interprets light, sound, and vibration, so we're giving it the same
- 49:00frequency response as if it was going on a forest walk, but you're laying
- 49:05there relaxing, So the brain gets the same benefits of a deep powerful sleep
- 49:09what we call a power NAPP in as little as ten minutes, fifteen or
- 49:14twenty minutes, and the brain reboots at that point. And once the brain
- 49:16reboots, then the nervous system can regulate again and balance out the brain.
- 49:22So there's a lot of different exercises, but that's from thirty thousand foot and
- 49:25you know, it's one of those things. Once you experience it over time,
- 49:29you'll really start to feel the benefits. Even if you're not using the
- 49:32headset, you can just use the app. People have the same group in
- 49:37Australia. We had half of them doing just the app and it took them
- 49:40six weeks to get to the same place. So you can do it with
- 49:44the app, a loan, or you can supercharge it with the headset well.
- 49:46Not to be promoting a more expensive option but I can say from the
- 49:52first hand experience it when I tried the app first, it didn't do for
- 49:59me. The headset does. And I think it is the light, the
- 50:02blue light that is. I think I'm just a tougher case, you know,
- 50:07because my brain is always my energy, and my brain is very high
- 50:12and it doesn't relax as a lot and probably has a lot of stress for
- 50:15you know, all the challenges. So when I got with the headset and
- 50:20the lights just helped to basically turned down everything and help me to relax and
- 50:25the stressed. I don't know if you've had that same feedback from whether executives,
- 50:31but I think that was my experience anyway. So if anyone is the
- 50:36same as me, where they're very go go and alpha type and they have
- 50:42a hard time getting their brain to slow down, I think the headset,
- 50:45which is what six hundred and forty seven, is that what the prices?
- 50:50Yes, yes, me, it's worth it to invest if you are looking
- 50:54at the both options. The the app only is you know a sub ryptian
- 51:00see for months and you can use your bluetooth. But honestly, being being
- 51:06really really transparent here, I just didn't feel when I got to headset.
- 51:10It was like a world of difference. Yeah, well, they say all
- 51:15unhappiness stems from unfavorable comparisons, so you got to compare the two. When
- 51:20the people urgings about the headset, you know, it's kind of like back
- 51:27in the time of the pioneers, they thought a wagon train was the fastest
- 51:30way to get across the country. Luckily I flew on an airplane to California
- 51:34from from North Carolina. You know, so there's I think the headset is
- 51:37like I think the headsets like taking rocket ship rather than you know, we've
- 51:40actually proved in India where we were measuring Dreu's brains and we could get anyone
- 51:45to have the same brain profile as a guru. Now they're not going to
- 51:47the same place. I don't want to make that claim, but the brain's
- 51:50physiological state could be in the same deep, relaxing state as a guru in
- 51:53as little as three sessions. Well, I think your statement at the very
- 51:59beginning that stress is probably the biggest challenge. I was going to ask you
- 52:06how you're you know, scientifically, how you're going to take that challenge,
- 52:09Like you say you're going to You're going to uh cure. What was it,
- 52:15a billion brains and the mission to better a billion brains? That was
- 52:20your your mission statement, and I was thinking when I read that, Yeah,
- 52:24we'll figure out how we can decrease the amount of stress in people's lives,
- 52:30because, particularly over the last couple of years with the pandemic, that
- 52:35you really tested tested all the theses that you have, I'm sure in your
- 52:38in your brain tap and how you probably that challenge is actually a great opportunity
- 52:45for you, and you probably had a lot more people coming to you because
- 52:49they needed help. They need help. But so I just so just in
- 52:53that subject of the billion brains at a time the mission statement, one of
- 53:00the biggest challenges facing you in that quest, well, the biggest thing is
- 53:05people. There's a statement that says spirit is simple, but man is complex.
- 53:10It's a simple solution, and most people don't. They oversimplify even the
- 53:16simple solution, and they don't understand the time. It's not a one and
- 53:23done thing. It's about how do we do it. It's kind of like
- 53:25going to the gym. If you go to the gym once, you're not
- 53:28going to build any muscles, So you've got to go over and over again
- 53:31over time and form a lifestyle habit. And I think I think we're in
- 53:35a better place today than we've ever been. I mean, in the eighties,
- 53:38people looked at us like we were from another planet and they didn't believe
- 53:40anything that we had. Now we have the science that backs it up,
- 53:44and we can actually measure with people like you saw at the E four M
- 53:46and people. That makes a big difference when you can actually show them some
- 53:50science. Right. Well, on that positive note, I want to say
- 53:54thank you so much for joining us today. I wish we had another hour
- 53:59because there's so many more things that we could delve into. However, there'll
- 54:04be hopefully another opportunity to have you back. And I did want to say
- 54:08a big thank you for allowing me to experientially be uh, you know,
- 54:15a a user before I did this podcast. Is it really helps me to
- 54:21be far more clear about what the benefits and the and even the drawbacks.
- 54:27I mean there maybe there wasn't there were no drawbacks for me. I was
- 54:30completely compliant. I loved it. I still use it, but I've been
- 54:37traveling so it's difficult to take the maybe some people do, but I was
- 54:42finding that a little bit of a challenge when you travel to have the headset.
- 54:46But but I did want to give you a compliment and say, you
- 54:50know, you send it in a beautiful packaging, The directions are very clear,
- 54:54the support online is very helpful, the customers service is impeccable. There's
- 55:01just so many things that I could say as an advocate, um, but
- 55:06I did want you to know as the founder that there's there's a there's a
- 55:10big fan right here in California, in San Francisco who you got to try
- 55:15this and we'll continue to use it. So that's great. Yeah, I'll
- 55:20be available again when we can do once you use it for a while more.
- 55:23Well, let's get on the phone and answer the rest of those questions.
- 55:28I would love that, Patrick, thank you so much. Okay,
- 55:30Well, I want to let our viewers know that we are now on Muscle
- 55:35and Fitness if you haven't been following that. So in addition to United Broadcasting
- 55:40Network, which is one of the oldest podcast companies in America, and that's
- 55:47where we started and launched our podcast, but now we've broadened that and so
- 55:52the awareness as much larger as well. Even though we are distributed to all
- 55:58the major podcasts. We are now part of the Muscle and Fitness family.
- 56:02So if you go to Muscle and Fitness Plus online, you'll see the anti
- 56:08aging category. If you scroll down, you'll see ageless and timeless. So
- 56:15don't forget to subscribe if you like what you've heard, and or push the
- 56:20light button which will tell us anything that feedback that you have to send me
- 56:25an email or call me if you like. My email is the Michelle Hughes
- 56:31Company at gmail dot com and Michelle is one L and my phone number is
- 56:37eight h eight sixty three nine zero nine zero four. I'm happy to speak
- 56:44with you, and actually, Patrick, I know you were going to offer
- 56:46our viewers some kind of a consideration and I would just run out of time.
- 56:52So if I could have your office, just tell me what that is,
- 56:55I'll put it on my my Michelle recommends on my website. Sure,
- 57:01yeah, we'll do that. Okay, thank you. I'm sorry, so
- 57:05sorry we ran out of time, but I want to thank you again and
- 57:09tell everybody to have a beautiful, a beautiful weekend and enjoy this nice weather
- 57:15we're finally having in California, Patrick, while you're visiting us. Yes,
- 57:22yeah, it looks beautiful, So all right, thank you, Michelle with
- 57:24a quart to scene. You get in live when we can, and then
- 57:27we'll get on we'll get on one of these zooms again and answer some more
- 57:30questions as well. All right, thank you,