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The Paul Pelosi Attack · Conspiracy! The Show

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Conspiracy The Show, the world's most trusted conspiracy
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Speaker 1: dary podcast, with your hosts Adam Todd Brown and Olivia Hidar.
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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome to Conspiracy Show. I'm Adam Todd Brown
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Speaker 2: and I'm Olivia Hidar and that makes us your hosts Olivia.
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Speaker 2: Happy last day of the United States. How's it going.
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Speaker 3: Oh, it's going about as well as it did on
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Speaker 3: all of the other last days of the United States. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: which is to say not great.
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Speaker 2: I would say, yeah, this is coming out the day
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Speaker 2: the midterm elections happen. I already voted, so I didn't
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Speaker 2: have to smack a Republican poll watcher in the goddamn face.
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Speaker 2: I didn't want to be confronted with all that, so
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Speaker 2: I did some early votes.
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Speaker 3: You got no idea, that's the thing.
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Speaker 2: I'm I'm actually in the one part of La County
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Speaker 2: where that probably will be a thing. But I can't
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Speaker 2: imagine where you are in the mid West what that
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Speaker 2: situation is going to be.
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Speaker 4: Like.
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Speaker 3: Look, I'm not going into of a poll. I can't imagine.
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Speaker 3: I also can't imagine. Yeah, but I will say that
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Speaker 3: every day, at least once a day for the last
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Speaker 3: two months. I have been getting the most hate filled
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Speaker 3: right wing political advertising in my mailbox. Oh sure, physically
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Speaker 3: every day, at least once, if not twice.
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Speaker 2: That's nuts, especially if the things happened twice at different times.
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Speaker 5: Like fuck, I checked the mail this morning and it's
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Speaker 5: you know, it's a local right wing election and so
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Speaker 5: it's all about critical race theory and how trans people
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Speaker 5: are destroying the world, like a bunch of stuff.
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Speaker 3: That's really going to appeal to.
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Speaker 2: Me right as a voter. Yeah, that's fucking nuts. I
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Speaker 2: can't imagine what it's like out there.
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Speaker 3: Sucks.
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Speaker 2: I bet a fascists, Yeah, oh, there sure are. There's
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Speaker 2: so many fascists. So that's not what we're talking about today.
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Speaker 2: I mean, we're sort of talking about fascists. We're talking
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Speaker 2: about the American government, so we're always talking about fascist
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Speaker 2: when we do that. But we're talking about a story
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Speaker 2: that is sweeping the nation, a story that's doing exactly
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Speaker 2: what the Libs want it to do, which is distract
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Speaker 2: me and Olivia from talking about the real issues.
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Speaker 3: Right, the real issues being like ed Stream like horror movies.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Dad's Stream was really good. The new VHS rules,
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Speaker 2: lots of good horror movies out there. We're talking about
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Speaker 2: the Paul Pelosi hammer attack. Is that that's about. We
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Speaker 2: can't call it an assassination.
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Speaker 3: He didn't die, No, he didn't.
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Speaker 2: They and it's not as fun to just call it
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Speaker 2: a beating when you could call it a hammer attack.
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Speaker 3: So well, right, And it was also like a home invasion.
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Speaker 3: I feel like any home invasion, it's not a beating
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Speaker 3: when it happens there.
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Speaker 2: True, Yeah, yeah, maybe that's an elevated beating.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's an elevator beating. Yeah. And A twenty four
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Speaker 3: has just been pushing these elevated beatings, and I gotta say,
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Speaker 3: I just am sick of it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's a post beating beating.
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Speaker 3: Just give me my good old fashioned, you know, sleezy
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Speaker 3: be beatings.
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Speaker 2: This is a wild story, and I'm just gonna come
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Speaker 2: right out and say it. Paul Pelosi's having a bad year.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no shit.
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Speaker 2: I didn't even know this man's name prior to me
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Speaker 2: of this year. Yeah, because he's the husband of an
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Speaker 2: elected official. What the fuck do I care. We don't
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Speaker 2: have a royal family here. I don't have to pay
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Speaker 2: attention to these motherfuckers' spouses. Nope, but now I do,
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Speaker 2: because someone attacked Paul Pelosi with a hammer, and now
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Speaker 2: here we are talking about it. The first place Paul
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Speaker 2: Pelosi came to my attention, though, was back in May,
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Speaker 2: I guess the first time, not the first place, but sure,
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Speaker 2: that's when that dui happened. And I remember when that happened,
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Speaker 2: and I remember thinking, so what, I don't care people
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Speaker 2: get DUIs all the time?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it sucks. Don't drink it, drive, especially
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Speaker 3: when you're eighty two years old.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, don't even drive when you're eighty two.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, the fuck is the matter with you? I will
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Speaker 3: say it does though, remind me of the time that
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Speaker 3: my grandfather relapsed and stole someone's car from a liquor store.
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Speaker 3: Ye on accident on accident, well know, like he thought
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Speaker 3: it was his, oh for sure, and so he got
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Speaker 3: it to drove away.
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Speaker 2: There, but for the grace of God go in.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, but that's just what I picture was. I
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Speaker 3: think of an old man striving trunk.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a pretty minor thing. It was a
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Speaker 2: misdemeanor charge. He got an accident, But it seems like
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Speaker 2: the accident maybe wasn't even completely his fault. He just
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Speaker 2: happened to have gotten in an accident while drunk, and
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Speaker 2: so you're gonna get you're gonna get some dy charges
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Speaker 2: out of that.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, lucky for the guy whose fault the accident was,
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Speaker 3: probably yeah, because you're gonna be able to claim like, look,
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Speaker 3: he was just drunk guy.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. It was a misdemeanor charge. He paid five
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Speaker 2: thousand dollars bail to get out. Seemingly a minor incident
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Speaker 2: happened the day before Nancy Pelosi received an honorary degree
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Speaker 2: from Brown University. Fucking men always got to steal the
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Speaker 2: spotlight from the women in their lives. But also, why
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Speaker 2: is Brown given Nancy Pelosi an honorary degree this late
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Speaker 2: in the game. Doesn't she have a degree?
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Speaker 3: Yeah? Why is Brown giving her a degree?
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Speaker 2: How crazy would it be if we looked it up
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Speaker 2: and it's like, no, ged that's all Nancy Pelosi.
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Speaker 3: Look based on her policies.
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Speaker 2: Right Yeah, wow boom. I love the idea that right
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Speaker 2: wingers think people on the left love Nancy Pelosi. It's like,
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Speaker 2: sh do you even know us read a thing?
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Speaker 3: I guess so, I guess they do? Mostly do they
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Speaker 3: still it feels like they would have gotten the point
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Speaker 3: by I guess they're professional point missers, but you.
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Speaker 2: Know, yeah, anyway, Nancy Pelosi. I bring this up because
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Speaker 2: I can't find a lot of information about it now,
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Speaker 2: but a rumor apparently started circulating after this, do you
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Speaker 2: why arrest that Paul Pelosi had a passenger in the
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Speaker 2: car with him and that the passenger was his gay lover.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, ooh, scandalous. I can't imagine where a rumor like
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Speaker 3: this would have started.
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Speaker 2: I still know, Yeah, I don't. I'm probably sound. This
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Speaker 2: seems like left wing propaganda, probably the leftists pushing this
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Speaker 2: classic leftist tactic, right, because you know how people on
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Speaker 2: the left get whipped into a frenzy when they find
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Speaker 2: out someone's gay.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, they hate it.
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Speaker 2: Oh no, Yeah, So this rumor started and there was
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Speaker 2: about a three month gap. I bring this up because
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Speaker 2: I feel like something similar is going to happen here.
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Speaker 2: There's this arrest in May, and then there's this three
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Speaker 2: month gap where the police bodycam footage is not released
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Speaker 2: to the public, and that leaves this vacuum where people
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Speaker 2: can jump in with theories like this that, oh, they're
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Speaker 2: not showing us the footage because Paul Pelosi's gay and
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Speaker 2: his gay lover was in the car with him. And
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Speaker 2: then the footage comes out and it's like, well, no,
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Speaker 2: that's not true. You can see from the dashcam footage
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Speaker 2: that there was no one with Paul Pelosi. But by
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Speaker 2: then it doesn't matter, right because the didn't has spread.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it didn't really even matter as the rumor was spreading,
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Speaker 3: because the people who want to believe a rumor like
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Speaker 3: this aren't gonna give a shit whether reality conforms to
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Speaker 3: their ideas.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and in the video you can see that Paul
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Speaker 2: Pelosi is indeed hammered, oh yeah, right, meaning oh drunk.
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, because he was assaulted with the hammer, right.
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Speaker 1: Right, right.
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Speaker 2: I actually had that in the notes, like, not joking.
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Speaker 2: I just like put it in there that he was
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Speaker 2: hammered because that's a good slang for drunk, and it
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Speaker 2: just dawned on me. Also hammered last month, right, foreshadowy,
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Speaker 2: also very sad. Don't fucking attack the families of elected
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Speaker 2: officials with violence, fucking mind.
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Speaker 3: Right, not the families Jesus.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the whole if you read the San Francisco
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Speaker 2: PDS statement, that's their whole vibe. Is like, families don't
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Speaker 2: deserve this. It's like the officials maybe, I mean, you
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Speaker 2: use your own judgment there and we'll work it out
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Speaker 2: in court, but the families no which true. So I
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Speaker 2: bring that up, the dui thing, because it does play
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Speaker 2: into something else that happens in regards to the Paul
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Speaker 2: Pelosi attack, which we'll get to in a minute. In
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Speaker 2: the meantime, fast forward to right now this most recent incident.
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Speaker 2: The first thing we found out was that in the
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Speaker 2: very early morning hours of October twenty eighth, Paul Pelosi
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Speaker 2: was attacked and severely beaten with a hammer by an
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Speaker 2: assailant who broke into the San Francisco home he shares
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Speaker 2: with Nancy Pelosi. Right away we heard that the attacker
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Speaker 2: was screaming, where's Nancy. We got the name of a
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Speaker 2: susp pretty quick, forty two year old David de Pape.
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Speaker 2: I've heard people pronounce it to Pappy, but I respectfully
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Speaker 2: decline to take that route. I'm going to paper.
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Speaker 3: Because Mike I would go or Depoppy, not to Pappy.
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Speaker 3: I feel like to Pappy is very American sounding.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, if the media wants me to pronounce it that way,
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Speaker 2: they're gonna have to add some accent marks somewhere in that. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: until then he's David to pape and what's he gonna do?
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Speaker 2: Attack me with a fucking hammer for saying his.
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Speaker 3: So he might if he gets out.
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Speaker 2: Police arrested on suspicion of attempted murder, elder abuse, and burglary,
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Speaker 2: which you know, when Paul Pelosi heard that part, he
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Speaker 2: was like, Oh, I get that. I'm eighty too, but
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Speaker 2: come on.
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Speaker 3: Is it? I guess why would it be a separate
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Speaker 3: thing I don't know from the attempted murder like elder abuse,
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Speaker 3: Like I get elder abuse when like someone's in a
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Speaker 3: nursing home and their nurse is like hitting in with
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Speaker 3: a bar of soap and a towel or something, that's
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Speaker 3: elder abuse. I get it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a weird charge. It seems like the one
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Speaker 2: that's probably most likely to get dropped. It's like, you
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Speaker 2: get the attempted murder is right there. Also, you could
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Speaker 2: just run with that one. See how many years you
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Speaker 2: get out of it. So we also found out right
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Speaker 2: away Paul Pelosi underwent surgery to repair a skull fracture
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Speaker 2: and serious injuries to his right arm and hands or
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Speaker 2: dide he Okay, see that's the one I like that
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Speaker 2: Republicans came out right away with, oh is this a
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Speaker 2: false flag? Like no, this would be the stupidest false
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Speaker 2: flag attack of all time. Like, here's here's how I
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Speaker 2: know we're gonna sway the midterm elections. Let's beat Nancy
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Speaker 2: Pelosi's husband with a hammer. Yeah, who's that gonna sway?
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Speaker 2: That's not doing anything.
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Speaker 3: But everyone in the country knows Paul Pelosi. They're gonna
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Speaker 3: be outraged immediately.
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Speaker 1: No, they're not.
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Speaker 2: Like, there's a lot of conspiracies around this, But the
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Speaker 2: idea that this like either didn't happen or that Democrats
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Speaker 2: did it intentionally, that's fucking dumb, Like that's not even
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Speaker 2: worth exploring. But it's it's one of the things that
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Speaker 2: people were pushing is that this.
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Speaker 3: Is a maybe Nancy Pelosi did it intentionally.
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Speaker 2: I could see that. Yeah, maybe we'll find out. What
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Speaker 2: if we find out she paid David to pay.
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Speaker 3: Maybe it's have I would actually buy.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's more that happens way more often.
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Speaker 3: It happens more often, and she's an evil bitch. So
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Speaker 3: I just kind of won't put anything past.
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Speaker 2: Here that would be the fun investigation discovery conclusion to this. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: up next on the Nightmare next Door. So those were
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Speaker 2: the early details we found out. But seeing as how
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Speaker 2: this happened eleven days before the mid terms, sure both
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Speaker 2: sides of the political spectrum already jumping in to try
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Speaker 2: and capitalize on this a little bit. And this is
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Speaker 2: kind of where the Dui story comes into play. One
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Speaker 2: of the first controversies that erupted around this involved Hillary Clinton.
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Speaker 2: She tweeted a thing about this story and how right
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Speaker 2: wing extremism is leading to violence and blah blah blah,
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Speaker 2: and she's probably right like this does this does point
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Speaker 2: I think a little more to right wing than left
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Speaker 2: wing violence, but we'll get to that later. The thing
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Speaker 2: is Elon Musk, new president of Twitter, responded to Hillary
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Speaker 2: Clinton's tweet and he quote tweeted it and said, there's
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Speaker 2: just a slight possibility there might be more to this story,
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Speaker 2: and he linked to an article. Olivia, did you read
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Speaker 2: the article? He liked to I put it in the
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Speaker 2: show notes the Observer.
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Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely fucking not, sorry, I got I got the summary.
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Speaker 2: It is is batshit insane.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, no shit.
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Speaker 2: And the thing about it, the article it was written
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Speaker 2: by a guy named Stan Green. Right off the bat,
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Speaker 2: that's not a real person. I looked around to try
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Speaker 2: and find a Stan Green. There's no Stan Green in
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Speaker 2: Santa Monica. The La Times a writer named Robin Abcarrian
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Speaker 2: track down who this person really is, and he's just
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Speaker 2: the publisher of the Santa Monica Observer. His name's David Ganiser. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: makes sense, and he, according to their article, is a
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Speaker 2: lifelong right wing troll who's been sued approximately forty times
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Speaker 2: for various crimes and misdeeds.
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Speaker 3: So what is it like thirty nine forty one?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I always love wording like that. My
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Speaker 2: favorite the one we bring up on the Pretty Scary Pod.
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Speaker 2: All the time. We were talking about some book and
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Speaker 2: it said it had been translated into more than eleven languages.
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Speaker 2: It's like, well, how many more? Three? Then just say fourteen?
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Speaker 2: Say it was fourteen? The fuck do you mean more
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Speaker 2: than eleven? We're stopped eleven. It's actually like a thousand
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Speaker 2: something now, But.
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Speaker 3: Like after a certain threshold, I think, like morally you
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Speaker 3: have to switch to under fifteen.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well there's rounding laws, just like with actual life.
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Speaker 3: So you know, you gotta go with what's gonna look best.
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Speaker 2: So this guy's been sued a whole bunch, Yeah, forty
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Speaker 2: one times. A journalist friend of David Ganiser shared a
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Speaker 2: text exchange with the La Times. And it's interesting because
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Speaker 2: this journalist friend is a helicopter camera operator and she
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Speaker 2: is the woman who filmed the Reginald Denny beating during
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Speaker 2: the LA riots, and she filmed something else really prominent too,
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Speaker 2: So she's not nobody. She knows this guy. She knows
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Speaker 2: David Ganiser, and she shared this text extra change with
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Speaker 2: the La Times where she texted him and was like,
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Speaker 2: did you write that bullshit about Paul Pelosi? And his
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Speaker 2: response was, my story makes more sense than the San
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Speaker 2: Francisco Police Department story. So yeah, he's he's Stan Green.
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Speaker 3: Yes, seems seems to be.
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Speaker 2: It takes a lot of backbone to write a story
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Speaker 2: like that, not under your real name.
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's that's what that is.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's spine right, that's intestinal for courage under fire exactly.
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Speaker 2: And his story leans on the Paul Pelosi's gay rumor
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Speaker 2: that apparently started circulating after that Dui story, a rumor
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Speaker 2: that is so prevalent I cannot find a single mention
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Speaker 2: of it anywhere. I don't know if the rumor ever
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Speaker 2: even actually started, even that part I'm just getting from
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Speaker 2: this fucking guy.
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Speaker 3: So who that's that's interesting. I mean, like I do
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Speaker 3: imagine that there is a I mean, we know that
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Speaker 3: there is a whole network of right wing places that
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Speaker 3: maybe it's harder to source on this stuff, but I
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Speaker 3: mean it's also equally likely that this dickhead.
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Speaker 2: But I'm usually able to find something like it usually
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Speaker 2: takes some digging, and I didn't dig as hard this
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Speaker 2: time because here's the thing, I believe it. I don't, like,
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Speaker 2: you don't need to show me proof that right wingers
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Speaker 2: started rumor that Paul. Of course they did. Fucking of
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Speaker 2: course they did. He lives in San Francisco, he's a liberal.
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Speaker 2: Of course they started that rumor right.
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Speaker 3: And also it doesn't matter, I mean, like it now exists.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, exactly, once the rumor's out there, that's
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Speaker 2: good enough. No one, No one cares about the fact
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Speaker 2: checkers afterwards.
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Speaker 3: Nope, especially not on the rate.
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Speaker 2: No. And so, building on that rumor from the Dui story,
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Speaker 2: Stan Green theorizes that Paul Pelosi brought David to Paye
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Speaker 2: home from a gay bar, and that the altercation ensued
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Speaker 2: from there. Sure, and all of that where's Nancy stuff,
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Speaker 2: and all of this talk of right wing extremism is
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Speaker 2: all just a smoke screen to cover up that Paul
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Speaker 2: Pelosi has a gay lover. And it's like, I don't
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Speaker 2: know if the police are gonna go that hard in
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Speaker 2: the paint for the Pelosis at this point in history,
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Speaker 2: Like you, honestly you think the police aren't a little
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Speaker 2: politically aware of what side the defund the police talk
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Speaker 2: is coming from.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 2: They tie that shit directly to Nancy Pelosi. Some motherfuckers
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Speaker 2: are not going to risk their careers to cover up
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Speaker 2: that Paul Pelosi had a gay lover in the house.
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Speaker 3: Come on, right, which is something that no one would
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Speaker 3: care about except for right wing chuds.
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Speaker 2: Right, It's not like it's a scandal that would bring
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Speaker 2: down Nancy Pelosi, not in the fucking slightest. All she
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Speaker 2: would have at all, all she would have to do
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Speaker 2: is be like, yeah, I knew I was cool with it,
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Speaker 2: and everyone would be like, oh okay, except people on
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Speaker 2: the right who would accused her like participating in a
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Speaker 2: satanic ritual of some sort.
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Speaker 3: Right, or she could like divorce him and be like, oh,
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Speaker 3: he was unfaithful and blah blah blah, and then she
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Speaker 3: could support and sympathy like that would be such an
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Speaker 3: easy scandal to spin positively for Nancy Pelosi, at least
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Speaker 3: for a portion of the audience.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely. And so when people started questioning the part
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Speaker 2: where you know, he has absolutely no evidence to support
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Speaker 2: anything that he put in this article, Stan Green fell
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Speaker 2: back on the ole it's just an opinion article, excuse
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Speaker 2: which here's the thing. For one thing, the headline of
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Speaker 2: the article the awful truth Paul Pelosi was drunk again
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Speaker 2: and assaulted by his gay lover. That is the title
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Speaker 2: of the opinion article, right, Stan Green wrote, Yeah, And
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Speaker 2: the way he introduces this as an a article, This
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Speaker 2: is a quote from the article. I might disappear for
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Speaker 2: telling you the truth. If I do, you'll all know why.
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Speaker 2: But here's what really happened early Friday morning in San Francisco.
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Speaker 2: I am h O. He knows what the fuck he's doing.
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Speaker 2: He knows what kind of people are gonna read this
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Speaker 2: and fucking run with it and email their kids, And
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Speaker 2: he knows what audience this is going to. And it
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Speaker 2: worked exactly the way he wanted it to work.
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Speaker 3: But Adam, he said, I am h o, how much
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Speaker 3: more clear can he be that it's the opinion piece
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Speaker 3: he's being. Also, he's being humble, right, you gotta love.
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Speaker 3: Do you think that's humble or honest?
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Speaker 2: I've always thought honest. But I read there was an
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Speaker 2: article about this stan Green article and they say on
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Speaker 2: it or humble, weird.
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Speaker 3: I was just gonna say, like, we're just really seeing
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Speaker 3: the display of just a fucking titanium backbone here to
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Speaker 3: write this article and it's under a pseudonym and falls
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Speaker 3: back on thee. But it's just an opinion piece.
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Speaker 2: Not just he says the opinion was relayed to him
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Speaker 2: by a source.
21:19
Speaker 3: Sure, great, that's the trifecta.
21:22
Speaker 2: This guy's just a soothsayer man. He's just passing down
21:25
Speaker 2: tales from the ancients to us young bravery.
21:29
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just am astonished.
21:31
Speaker 2: He just made this shit up. He completely made this
21:33
Speaker 2: shit up. I encourage people to read the La Times
21:36
Speaker 2: article about this guy, like this is just what he does.
21:40
Speaker 2: And then now he's got the nerve to on top
21:44
Speaker 2: of this article. Now he's got this long, like five
21:46
Speaker 2: page rant about how people were dragging his name through
21:50
Speaker 2: the mud. But now more information's coming out that proves
21:54
Speaker 2: he was right. No, it doesn't. It's the same bullshit.
21:57
Speaker 2: It's just yeah, we'll get there.
21:59
Speaker 3: But he's got like the god of Twitter backing him up,
22:05
Speaker 3: you know, like, yeah, that's going to embolden him.
22:08
Speaker 2: But also Elon Musk deleted that tweet. That's like Newsmax
22:12
Speaker 2: banning you for being too QAnon. That's true, Like when
22:17
Speaker 2: Elon Luscus like, this is too much misinformation for me.
22:21
Speaker 3: Sorry, Yeah, it doesn't matter though, like just the fact
22:25
Speaker 3: that he did it, like millions of people saw the article.
22:28
Speaker 2: Then, yeah, millions of people saw the article, and you
22:31
Speaker 2: know the consensus among that crowd is just going to be, well,
22:34
Speaker 2: he had to take it down because of all the
22:35
Speaker 2: pressure from investors and advertisers and stuff. But we know
22:39
Speaker 2: this is the true story about what happened to Paul Pelosi,
22:42
Speaker 2: and it's like fucking citation needed fuck out of here.
22:46
Speaker 2: Because for one thing, I know, this won't be a
22:49
Speaker 2: lot of This won't be a problem for a lot
22:51
Speaker 2: of people, and I understand that. But to believe Stan
22:54
Speaker 2: Green's theorized version of events in the Pelosi attack, you
22:58
Speaker 2: have to also believe that the FBI, the San Francisco PD,
23:02
Speaker 2: the prosecutor, the district attorney, everyone has just completely fabricated
23:08
Speaker 2: their case against David to Pate, because a day after
23:12
Speaker 2: stan Green's article came out, the actual like criminal complaint
23:17
Speaker 2: against David to Pape was published by the Department of Justice,
23:20
Speaker 2: and it includes a whole lot of quotes from de
23:24
Speaker 2: Pape himself that I would argue kind of contradict the
23:28
Speaker 2: gay lover scenario here. Oh really Yeah, Like there's the
23:33
Speaker 2: part where he said he was this is a quote
23:35
Speaker 2: I'm sick of the insane, fucking levels of lies coming
23:38
Speaker 2: out of Washington, d C. This was a suicide mission.
23:42
Speaker 2: I'm not going to stand here and do nothing, even
23:45
Speaker 2: if it cost me my life.
23:47
Speaker 3: So sounds pretty gay.
23:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like what to believe the Stan Green version of events?
23:58
Speaker 2: You have to believe this is all completely made up?
24:00
Speaker 2: And like, I get it. I get that the FBI
24:03
Speaker 2: isn't the most respected outfit, but I don't think they
24:09
Speaker 2: would go this far to what cover up that Paul
24:13
Speaker 2: Pelosi's gay to swing the midterm elections? Like what would
24:17
Speaker 2: be the point of.
24:19
Speaker 3: We all know the FBI loves liberals.
24:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the thing. Yeah, the FBI they love a
24:27
Speaker 2: progressive that's for damn sure.
24:28
Speaker 3: We've talked about it, really, you know, they've they've always
24:31
Speaker 3: had an interest in the black freedom movement. What was that, Sorry,
24:36
Speaker 3: I'm just thinking about that quote from the FBI museum.
24:39
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah. I wrote an article about the Bobby
24:43
Speaker 2: Kennedy thing, and I included that I had lost most
24:47
Speaker 2: of the pictures, but I still have that because I
24:50
Speaker 2: texted it to you. Yeah, I was able to find
24:53
Speaker 2: that one.
24:54
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're never going to forget that. That's such a good,
24:57
Speaker 3: great plaque.
24:58
Speaker 2: It was. It was almost as great as how they
25:01
Speaker 2: had a bunch of doors that were painted to show
25:04
Speaker 2: what the old timey FBI offices look like, and one
25:07
Speaker 2: of them was the cyber Crimes Unit. It's like, oh ye,
25:10
Speaker 2: old cyber crimes Okay, is that what that door look
25:13
Speaker 2: like back in the nineteen thirties? Got it? So the
25:16
Speaker 2: other thing about this being a thing that the FBI,
25:20
Speaker 2: the police, the Department of Justice, the Democratic Party all
25:24
Speaker 2: teaming up to fake in the name of swinging the
25:28
Speaker 2: midterm elections, it plays into the standard right wing talking
25:34
Speaker 2: point right now among people who are campaigning, especially in
25:39
Speaker 2: states that have bigger cities like Los Angeles, which is
25:42
Speaker 2: that crime is out of control. Like that's a thing
25:45
Speaker 2: right wingers are pointing to, is like, look at San Francisco.
25:48
Speaker 2: Crime's fucking out of control. If Democrats were faking this,
25:52
Speaker 2: they would have to realize. This kind of just plays
25:55
Speaker 2: into that narrative too, like you could just flip it
25:58
Speaker 2: whichever way. So there's no point in anyone faking this,
26:02
Speaker 2: like there's yeah, there's absolutely no reason for anyone to
26:06
Speaker 2: false flag this shit.
26:07
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no there's no benefit, No one gains anything,
26:11
Speaker 3: no from any of this, except for the right wing
26:13
Speaker 3: who have a fun new thing to play with, like
26:17
Speaker 3: a dog toy or whatever.
26:19
Speaker 2: And that is I think one of the most important
26:22
Speaker 2: things you look for when you're accusing someone of a crime,
26:25
Speaker 2: or if you're accusing someone of being involved in a conspiracy.
26:28
Speaker 3: It's like, well, what's the who benefits?
26:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, who benefits? What's the motive? Who is this helping?
26:34
Speaker 2: And in this case nobody. It helps everyone as much
26:37
Speaker 2: as it helps no one if you're talking capitalizing on
26:39
Speaker 2: it for political reasons, right, So sorry, probably not a
26:44
Speaker 2: false flag, but that didn't stop people from spreading more theories,
26:52
Speaker 2: and what you see here is a lot of what
26:54
Speaker 2: you saw with Sandy Hook, where things come out in
26:57
Speaker 2: the very early moments of that and sometimes the information
27:01
Speaker 2: is wrong and needs to be corrected. That is a
27:04
Speaker 2: common thing in journalism, and that's what people latch onto
27:08
Speaker 2: for conspiracy theories like this. Yeah, example, there was a
27:12
Speaker 2: rumor that both Pelosi and the Pape were in their
27:15
Speaker 2: underwear when police showed up. And see that's another thing
27:18
Speaker 2: where people are like, well, see that was his gay lover.
27:21
Speaker 2: That's why they were both in their underwear. And the
27:23
Speaker 2: reason people are saying that is because there was a
27:26
Speaker 2: local San Francisco Fox News affiliate, if you can believe it,
27:30
Speaker 2: that accidentally wrote that when police arrived, both men were
27:35
Speaker 2: in their underwear, and then they later corrected that and said, no,
27:39
Speaker 2: we were wrong. But that's what right wingers like Denish
27:42
Speaker 2: de Susan and Donald Trump Junior started running with, and
27:46
Speaker 2: they started tweeting about why were they both in their underwear?
27:50
Speaker 3: The paragons of truth? Yes, Donald Trump Jr. And Denis deus.
27:54
Speaker 2: Absolutely that local affiliate issued a correction like I think
28:00
Speaker 2: later or something like very shortly thereafter, And there's a
28:03
Speaker 2: bunch of uproar around the nine to one one call,
28:07
Speaker 2: because Paul Pelosi it seems like, at one point refers
28:10
Speaker 2: to David de Pape as a friend. He says, there's
28:13
Speaker 2: a gentleman here waiting for my wife. And what people
28:17
Speaker 2: aren't taken into account is Paul Pelosi made that phone
28:20
Speaker 2: call while a man who broke in his home was
28:23
Speaker 2: standing over him with a hammer.
28:25
Speaker 3: Right.
28:26
Speaker 2: You get from David de Pape's own statements and from
28:30
Speaker 2: just reading through the court records, which we'll link to
28:34
Speaker 2: Paul Pelosi, it seems like trick David to Pape into
28:37
Speaker 2: making that phone call, right because he asked if he
28:40
Speaker 2: could use the bathroom, and the thing is his phone
28:42
Speaker 2: was charging in the bathroom, so he goes in the
28:44
Speaker 2: bathroom and makes this nine to one one call. And
28:46
Speaker 2: in David de Pape's mind, well, now he's already on
28:50
Speaker 2: the phone with the police. So I mean, if I
28:53
Speaker 2: just murder him while he's on the phone with police,
28:55
Speaker 2: I'm fucked right. You kind of have to put yourself
28:59
Speaker 2: in David De Pape's us in that moment, and it's like, well,
29:02
Speaker 2: I'm here on a suicide mission to save the nation
29:05
Speaker 2: from tyranny. Am I gonna let it all end? Because
29:08
Speaker 2: this guy made a phone call? And that is actually
29:11
Speaker 2: David de Pape's thinking, if you read his own words,
29:14
Speaker 2: He's like, the guy painted me into a corner. I
29:16
Speaker 2: didn't want to kill him, I didn't want to attack him.
29:19
Speaker 2: I wanted his wife. But then he made that phone
29:21
Speaker 2: call and it escalated things. So if Paul Pelosi seems
29:25
Speaker 2: a little hesitant or tentative on that nine to one
29:28
Speaker 2: one call, he's trying to not get beat to death
29:30
Speaker 2: with a hammer. Yeah, like you're gonna do some tap
29:34
Speaker 2: dancing in that situation.
29:36
Speaker 3: And like why would his gay lover want to talk
29:39
Speaker 3: to his wife?
29:40
Speaker 2: Right?
29:40
Speaker 3: It doesn't really fit into the to the theory that
29:44
Speaker 3: that line I don't understand.
29:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, And also there's a moment where David de Pate
29:50
Speaker 2: yells out I'm a friend. Why didn't he yell out
29:53
Speaker 2: I'm his boyfriend, right, or I'm his gay lover? None
29:57
Speaker 2: of that.
29:57
Speaker 3: He's just friend. There's no well, there's they're staying quiet
30:01
Speaker 3: about it.
30:02
Speaker 2: Yeah, I suppose still trying to keep that relationship under wraps.
30:05
Speaker 2: While you're both on speakerphone with nine one one and
30:08
Speaker 2: one of you's holding a hammer and zip tiz.
30:11
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's tough to keep a relationship going after one
30:14
Speaker 3: if you beats the other with a hammer, you gotta
30:17
Speaker 3: do a lot of work.
30:19
Speaker 2: It's very true. It's very true. So yeah, that's where
30:23
Speaker 2: a lot of these rumors started. It's around stuff like that,
30:26
Speaker 2: where people will take one little snippet from this nine
30:30
Speaker 2: to one one call, and in some cases the nine
30:32
Speaker 2: to one one call they're referring to isn't even Paul
30:34
Speaker 2: Pelosi because he called nine one one, and you can
30:38
Speaker 2: tell from the transcript that he's trying to like hint
30:41
Speaker 2: that he needs help, but he doesn't want to outright
30:44
Speaker 2: say fucking send the police. This guy's gonna kill me.
30:47
Speaker 2: Right at the end of the call, he straight up says, uh,
30:51
Speaker 2: this guy says, everything's fine, but I've got a problem.
30:53
Speaker 2: Like how is that him like hinting that this person
30:57
Speaker 2: is a friend and that the police shouldn't come. He's
31:00
Speaker 2: clearly being like, fucking don't send help. Wink wink wink.
31:05
Speaker 6: Like like he's clearly need some fucking help, right, And
31:10
Speaker 6: but right wingers are just capitalizing on that as like
31:14
Speaker 6: proof that there's something more sinister happening here.
31:17
Speaker 2: There's also another rumor that there were two hammers present, which,
31:22
Speaker 2: for one thing, what the fuck you think they were
31:24
Speaker 2: engaging in gay hammer play? Like, why what does it
31:26
Speaker 2: matter if there were two hammers there?
31:28
Speaker 3: Well, I guess like they were. They were like having
31:32
Speaker 3: a hammer fight.
31:33
Speaker 2: All I want is for someone to All I want
31:36
Speaker 2: is for someone to tweet at me and be like,
31:38
Speaker 2: you make jokes, but hammer play is real, don't kink
31:41
Speaker 2: shame me.
31:42
Speaker 3: I mean, hammer play probably is real.
31:47
Speaker 2: Ouch, no matter, Ouch, it's not my.
31:51
Speaker 3: Thing, but people like pain, you know.
31:55
Speaker 2: I suppose that feels like a step away from gunplay.
31:59
Speaker 3: Yes that exists. Oh no, dude, if you can think
32:06
Speaker 3: it will fuck it.
32:09
Speaker 2: Oh man. So yeah, maybe it was that. I don't know.
32:12
Speaker 2: That's our new conspiracy. Yeah, engaging in hammer play with
32:18
Speaker 2: David de Pey. And yeah, the way the two hammer
32:22
Speaker 2: things started is there's a line in one of the
32:25
Speaker 2: police reports that says our officers observed mister Pelosi and
32:29
Speaker 2: the suspect both holding a hammer. That's just awkward phrasing, Like,
32:33
Speaker 2: that's very that's sloppy grammar. It's not proof of a
32:37
Speaker 2: conspiracy because what they actually mean is when police arrived there,
32:44
Speaker 2: was one hammer and both of them had their hand
32:46
Speaker 2: on it, like they were struggling over this ham and
32:50
Speaker 2: like I can picture the scene like it's it seems
32:53
Speaker 2: like some movie shit where they're struggling over the hammer.
32:57
Speaker 2: The police walk in and they like stop and look
32:59
Speaker 2: at the police, and the police are like, drop the hammer,
33:02
Speaker 2: and one guy lets it go and the other guy
33:04
Speaker 2: just takes it fucking bashes the guy in the head.
33:06
Speaker 2: Exactly what happened. Yeah, that is precisely what happened. They
33:11
Speaker 2: both had a hand on the hammer, and when the
33:14
Speaker 2: police said dropped the hammer, David to Pape took it
33:17
Speaker 2: and hit Paul Pelosi in the head with it.
33:19
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, yeah, this is just it looks like,
33:21
Speaker 3: I mean, shocker, a cop is dumb and very good Grammer.
33:27
Speaker 3: But like even if it was talking about two hammers,
33:30
Speaker 3: that would be wrong, that would be incorrect grammars.
33:32
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, it's wrong.
33:34
Speaker 3: You'd be both holding hammers, not both holding a hammer.
33:38
Speaker 2: There's also the glass. There's pictures of the glass where
33:42
Speaker 2: David to Pape broke in, and you can see glass
33:45
Speaker 2: on the outside, and people are leaning on their investigation
33:50
Speaker 2: Discovery degrees to decide that well, that means that it's
33:55
Speaker 2: fake because someone broke the glass from the inside. No,
33:58
Speaker 2: it means that glass is the kind of glass that
34:00
Speaker 2: you install in the home of an elected government official
34:04
Speaker 2: at one of the highest levels possible. You're not just
34:07
Speaker 2: gonna elbow that shit, right. David de Pape again in
34:11
Speaker 2: his own statements, was like, man, that fucking glass was
34:14
Speaker 2: hard to break.
34:17
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, but like even if it's regular, like
34:20
Speaker 3: that is just some pure people only get their fucking
34:23
Speaker 3: information from movies, yes, TV. Yes, because like if you
34:27
Speaker 3: break a fucking window, glass is gonna come on the
34:29
Speaker 3: outside of the goddamn house in addition to the inside. Yeah,
34:33
Speaker 3: it's gonna fall, and like when you climb in, you're
34:36
Speaker 3: going your body is going to naturally move glass out
34:39
Speaker 3: of the window to the outside. Yeah, Like that's that's
34:43
Speaker 3: how it works. Sorry, guys.
34:44
Speaker 2: And there have been cases where people have staged that
34:47
Speaker 2: kind of thing, but you can tell, like you can
34:49
Speaker 2: tell when glass has just been broken from the cause.
34:52
Speaker 2: I think there's like one or two examples of it,
34:55
Speaker 2: and it was like some stupid fucking housewife and then
34:58
Speaker 2: there's TV shows about it and people are like, oh,
35:00
Speaker 2: any anymore.
35:01
Speaker 3: I have to imagine most of the time that's like
35:04
Speaker 3: insurance fraud and shit, not like breaking and entering.
35:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's either that or I'm trying to have someone
35:11
Speaker 2: killed and I want to make it look like a
35:13
Speaker 2: break in, right. Yeah, but in this case, there's glass
35:16
Speaker 2: on both sides. Because this glass you can tell was
35:19
Speaker 2: a fucking nightmare to break like. It looks like he
35:22
Speaker 2: had to shoot it out. It looks like look bank
35:24
Speaker 2: glass and it.
35:25
Speaker 3: Probably had nothing else. This guy was very determined.
35:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing he said. He recognized that there
35:32
Speaker 2: were cameras around. And that's another rumor you're hearing, is well,
35:37
Speaker 2: hel come the cameras weren't on. They were. The cameras
35:40
Speaker 2: were on, and they were able to be monitored from Washington,
35:45
Speaker 2: d C. But it was five o'clock in the morning
35:47
Speaker 2: and no one was fucking w It was five o'clock
35:49
Speaker 2: in the morning in DC, right, and they weren't watching
35:52
Speaker 2: and he got in. Yeah, but that doesn't mean the
35:55
Speaker 2: cameras weren't on. Like it's like there are reports that
35:59
Speaker 2: they rewound the footage and saw him go in, and
36:01
Speaker 2: maybe we'll get that footage at some point.
36:03
Speaker 3: Maybe, but like I'm not expecting that private home security footage. Yeah,
36:10
Speaker 3: I wouldn't expect that in any case.
36:12
Speaker 2: And so he breaks in through this glass door. He
36:15
Speaker 2: said he was very surprised to find Paul Pelosi was
36:19
Speaker 2: still asleep in bed after he made all that noise,
36:21
Speaker 2: and I'm like, he's probably drunk eighty two, I mean, yeah,
36:26
Speaker 2: eighty two, but also Nancy's on the East coast. You know,
36:30
Speaker 2: Paul was fucking pounding them back.
36:33
Speaker 3: That is probably true.
36:35
Speaker 2: I think it was a Saturday, also, fucking knocked the
36:41
Speaker 2: fuck out. I promise you that, No.
36:44
Speaker 3: You can't be. He's been dry since the two he
36:48
Speaker 3: went off the bottle.
36:49
Speaker 2: He's just because eighty two is when you finally decide
36:53
Speaker 2: to quit drinking right.
36:54
Speaker 3: Well, and not only your body can totally take the d.
36:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that wouldn't kill him. So he awakes to
37:03
Speaker 2: find David de Pape standing over him, holding a hammer
37:06
Speaker 2: and zip ties and asking where's Nancy, Probably for like
37:09
Speaker 2: the twenty fifth time, depending on how drunk Paul Pelosi
37:13
Speaker 2: was at that moment. He's like, fuck, hey, yeah, hey, dude, dude,
37:17
Speaker 2: where's Nancy?
37:18
Speaker 3: Heyre's Nancy? Hey? Where's n Paul Just get louder and.
37:21
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go get my hammer. If you don't tell
37:23
Speaker 2: me where I know you're not, you can't possibly be asleep.
37:26
Speaker 2: God damn it. So they had some back and forth
37:30
Speaker 2: about how Nancy was in Washington and wouldn't be back
37:33
Speaker 2: for a few days, and David the Pape was like, cool,
37:35
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna tie you up. We'll wait, And uh,
37:37
Speaker 2: I wouldn't want that. I certainly so.
37:41
Speaker 3: So Paul, that's so funny, Like what a great plan. Yeah,
37:47
Speaker 3: that's like a It reminds me of that fucking Dennis
37:50
Speaker 3: Leary movie where he like ties up the couple in
37:54
Speaker 3: the bedroom. He's like, he's like a thief and he
37:56
Speaker 3: ties him up and then he has to deal with
37:58
Speaker 3: him for several days.
37:59
Speaker 2: I think people are not paying enough attention to the
38:03
Speaker 2: part where he said this was a suicide mission. Yeah,
38:06
Speaker 2: And I think he was expecting, as a lot of
38:11
Speaker 2: us would, given the history of the police, if nothing else,
38:14
Speaker 2: that someone was just gonna walk in and shoot this guy, right,
38:17
Speaker 2: And I would join a lot of right wing voices
38:20
Speaker 2: and asking why the police didn't just fucking shoot this
38:24
Speaker 2: guy upon walking in. But I think we all know
38:27
Speaker 2: one of the answers he's not black enough for that.
38:30
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I haven't seen the guy, but if
38:34
Speaker 3: I could picture him next to a paper bag, I feel.
38:38
Speaker 2: Like, Oh, you haven't even seen what he looks like.
38:41
Speaker 3: What No, I haven't seen the picture.
38:42
Speaker 2: Oh he looks like he owns a fucking RII or
38:45
Speaker 2: something like. It's got a ponytail.
38:48
Speaker 3: White dude.
38:49
Speaker 2: I'm right, yeah, white dude with a ponytail. So yeah,
38:52
Speaker 2: I mean, it is weird that the police didn't just
38:55
Speaker 2: especially the part where he like swings the hammer, but
38:58
Speaker 2: they might not have had Like again, that's that's a
39:01
Speaker 2: thing that people are asking all these questions around and
39:04
Speaker 2: it's like maybe they didn't have a shot. Maybe he
39:07
Speaker 2: was behind Paul Pelosi, and like you'd have to shoot
39:09
Speaker 2: Paul Pelosi to shoot him, right.
39:14
Speaker 3: If you're a cop, the last thing you want in
39:16
Speaker 3: this situation is to shoot the elected official's husband, right.
39:21
Speaker 2: And also if you look into how the greeting of
39:26
Speaker 2: the police at the door happened, like Paul Pelosi didn't
39:30
Speaker 2: like answer the door and go, oh my god, help me,
39:32
Speaker 2: like he was struggling. It seems like they were struggling
39:35
Speaker 2: with the hammer and Paul Pelosi was like can we
39:37
Speaker 2: move over by the door so I can open the door?
39:39
Speaker 2: Police said that part is confusing, and that's what's fueling
39:42
Speaker 2: a lot of this because it seems like when they
39:45
Speaker 2: walked in, people are like, it's okay, it's fine, we're just,
39:49
Speaker 2: you know, struggling over this hammer here, right, And the
39:52
Speaker 2: police say dropped the hammer, and David de Pape says nope.
39:56
Speaker 2: Fucking he did actually say uh, nope and hit Paul
40:00
Speaker 2: Pelosi with it.
40:02
Speaker 3: That's what idea, maybe if you you have to have
40:04
Speaker 3: a sense of humor in a situation.
40:06
Speaker 2: Like this, And so that seemed to be the accepted
40:11
Speaker 2: version of events was that the police came to the door,
40:15
Speaker 2: Paul Pelosi answered the door, they saw the two of
40:18
Speaker 2: them struggling over this hammer. They tell David to Pape
40:21
Speaker 2: to drop the hammer, and then that's when David de
40:24
Speaker 2: Pape hits Paul Pelosi with the hammer. So then this
40:27
Speaker 2: fucking Miguel al mcgare report happens on NBC News. Have
40:33
Speaker 2: you listened to this yet?
40:34
Speaker 3: No? I think this came up late.
40:36
Speaker 2: I'm gonna play it right now.
40:39
Speaker 7: Now to the latest on the attack on Paul Pelosi.
40:41
Speaker 7: NBC News has now learned more details about the moment
40:44
Speaker 7: police officers arrived. The new insight gives a fuller picture
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Speaker 7: of the eighty two year old's response in the middle
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Speaker 7: of the emergency. NBC's Miguel Almaghare has more This morning.
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Speaker 4: Paul Pelosi is home back at the house that became
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Speaker 4: a crime scene a week ago. Today, NBC News learning
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Speaker 4: new details about the moments police arrived. Sources familiar with
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Speaker 4: what unfolded in the Pelosi residence now revealing when officers
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Speaker 4: responded to the high priority call, they were seemingly unaware
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Speaker 4: they'd been called to the home of the speaker of
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Speaker 4: the house. After a knock and announce, the front door
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Speaker 4: was opened by mister Pelosi. The eighty two year old
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Speaker 4: did not immediately declare an emergency or tried to leave
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Speaker 4: his home, but instead began walking several feet back into
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Speaker 4: the foyer, toward the assailant and away from police. It's
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Speaker 4: unclear if the eighty two year old was already injured
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Speaker 4: or what his mental state was, say sources. According to
41:43
Speaker 4: court documents, when the officer asked what was going on,
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Speaker 4: defendants smiled and said everything's good, but instantaneously a struggle ensued.
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Speaker 4: As police clearly saw David de Pap strike Paul Pelosi
41:57
Speaker 4: in the head with a hammer. After tackling the suspect,
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Speaker 4: officers rushed to mister Pelosi, who was lying in a
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Speaker 4: pool of blood.
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Speaker 1: What we do know is he brutally attacked mister Pelosi
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Speaker 1: and attempted to kill him.
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Speaker 4: After spending several days in the ICU, Pelosi, who was
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Speaker 4: recovering from a fractured skull in serious injuries to his
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Speaker 4: arm in hand, is now home where Capitol Police remain
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Speaker 4: on alert. Investigators have previously said Pelosi did not know
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Speaker 4: to Pap when the forty two year old broke into
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Speaker 4: his home. Why Pelosi didn't try to flee or tell
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Speaker 4: responding officers he was in distress is unclear.
42:38
Speaker 3: Fear takes over, fear freezes his people.
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Speaker 4: This morning, the eighty two year old lucky to be
42:43
Speaker 4: alive after an intruder nearly killed him in his own home.
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Speaker 2: Hmmm. The thing about that report is it's completely different
42:54
Speaker 2: than what police have said so far about how this
43:00
Speaker 2: encounter happened. What's interesting I've seen this reported on where
43:04
Speaker 2: there's another part where Miguel al mcgerre apparently says we
43:07
Speaker 2: still don't know what happened when the two of them
43:11
Speaker 2: were alone in the home for those thirty minutes. But
43:14
Speaker 2: I didn't hear that part in this news report, but
43:18
Speaker 2: I've seen it reported on where he apparently adds that.
43:21
Speaker 2: And the thing about this news report is NBC took
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Speaker 2: it down and they said.
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Speaker 3: It's still on YouTube.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's on YouTube. The link that I put in
43:31
Speaker 2: the notes is a local news affiliate reporting on the
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Speaker 2: NBC News report. But NBC News took this report down
43:41
Speaker 2: from all of their social media and from their YouTube
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Speaker 2: and said it did not meet their editorial standards and
43:47
Speaker 2: that the source who provided the information was unreliable and
43:51
Speaker 2: god damn it, Like this is how conspiracy theories like
43:56
Speaker 2: this live forever, because how did it get through? Like
44:00
Speaker 2: how did this make it to television? But now when
44:04
Speaker 2: people are asking questions, you're like, doesn't meet our standards.
44:07
Speaker 2: We took it down right, Like, yeah, this is one
44:10
Speaker 2: of those things that I feel like it requires a
44:13
Speaker 2: little more explanation that we're never gonna get.
44:17
Speaker 3: No, probably not. I mean, man, the comments under that
44:21
Speaker 3: video or.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, a nightmare. But it's shit like this that
44:25
Speaker 2: keeps conspiracy theories like this burning forever, And I still
44:31
Speaker 2: don't know how different that version of events would really
44:35
Speaker 2: make things like at best, Like I guess if it
44:39
Speaker 2: did point to David de Pate being some kind of
44:42
Speaker 2: acquaintance with them, I guess it would it would lead
44:46
Speaker 2: back to that, oh, Paul Pelosi is gay cover up,
44:49
Speaker 2: which again I don't think anyone would fucking care, Like, yeah,
44:53
Speaker 2: it like he was. I still mean, did they do
44:57
Speaker 2: a blood alcohol test on Paul Pelosi? And I fucking
45:00
Speaker 2: I'm not. I don't say that to be an asshole,
45:03
Speaker 2: but no, it could very well explain a lot of
45:07
Speaker 2: his seemingly weird behavior like.
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Speaker 3: That, Yeah, what I just listened to, Like, if that's
45:14
Speaker 3: an accurate accounting of events, it doesn't sound like a
45:18
Speaker 3: gay lover. It sounds like a drunk guy dealing with
45:22
Speaker 3: a crazy situation. I think that, Like, if I can
45:26
Speaker 3: an old drunk guy.
45:27
Speaker 2: If I can add some of my own unfounded conspiracy
45:31
Speaker 2: theorizing into the mix here, I would say, maybe Paul
45:35
Speaker 2: Pelosi was drunk, and maybe that's why he was acting
45:38
Speaker 2: as weird as he was, Like a career alcoholic drinking
45:43
Speaker 2: himself to sleep on a Saturday night. No, get the
45:47
Speaker 2: fuck out of here.
45:48
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, his system was totally clean.
45:51
Speaker 2: Yeah. And from then, like, who cares if he was
45:54
Speaker 2: acting weird on the nine to one to one call?
45:55
Speaker 2: Who cares if he acted weird when the cops showed up?
45:58
Speaker 2: He was fucking drunk, tired, and eighty two years old.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and maybe already hit with the hammer unclear.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that part I don't know, Like we don't know.
46:10
Speaker 2: And then like what David de Pate did to keep
46:13
Speaker 2: him from moving around? Yeah, he might have hit him already.
46:16
Speaker 3: And like it's a crazy situation, Like, no, one, I
46:20
Speaker 3: don't think there's any set behavior for a situation like that.
46:25
Speaker 3: It's very bizarre to be in.
46:27
Speaker 2: Yeah. So yeah, even if that Miguel Almagarre report is accurate,
46:33
Speaker 2: I don't think it's gonna change the situation that much. Like, no,
46:38
Speaker 2: it is weird that they got the reporting that fucking wrong.
46:41
Speaker 3: But well yeah, and like why do you care that
46:45
Speaker 3: this guy is gay? If you like, why did would
46:48
Speaker 3: the right winger care other than that they hate gay people?
46:51
Speaker 3: Like it's just weird.
46:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, of all people, right wingers should understand scandals don't
46:56
Speaker 2: end careers anymore like that, right, Well, that doesn't work well, yeah.
47:01
Speaker 3: They don't in Republican career.
47:03
Speaker 2: Right, but this one wouldn't end Nancy Pelosi's career.
47:06
Speaker 3: Well this is her husband.
47:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it would have no impact on the political
47:13
Speaker 2: future of this country.
47:14
Speaker 3: She is to only separate like this would just be
47:17
Speaker 3: if anything, if it were real, it would be like
47:19
Speaker 3: Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton. Like Hillary gets a total
47:23
Speaker 3: boost in you know, public favor because she deals with
47:27
Speaker 3: a cheating husband.
47:29
Speaker 2: Yeah. So then the last I guess controversy around this
47:33
Speaker 2: that has erupted most recently. I'm sure by the time
47:36
Speaker 2: this goes up there will be so much more. But uh,
47:39
Speaker 2: there's this argument about whether this guy really was a
47:42
Speaker 2: right winger or whether he's like a secret leftist, which
47:46
Speaker 2: is of course feeding into the whole false flag narrative.
47:50
Speaker 2: One thing, we know he's here illegally from Canada, which
47:55
Speaker 2: I've been saying it again and I'll say it forever.
47:58
Speaker 2: Build that Northern Wall built, Get that Northern Wall built.
48:03
Speaker 2: Keep those fucking Canadians out here. We can't talk apart, right,
48:07
Speaker 2: they're the most dangerous.
48:10
Speaker 3: They could be one of us.
48:11
Speaker 2: They just like us.
48:15
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, make it like out of ice, like like
48:17
Speaker 3: in games. Yeah. Hold, hey, and now would create jobs
48:24
Speaker 3: because you'd have to have a bunch of uh iers
48:28
Speaker 3: garden wall.
48:30
Speaker 2: Yeah would Uh we could just take all the water
48:33
Speaker 2: from somewhere that has lots of water, right now.
48:35
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Great Lakes, drain them.
48:38
Speaker 2: Drain the lakes. That's our campaign slogan, Drain.
48:42
Speaker 3: The lakes, trained lakes.
48:46
Speaker 2: Use them to build the wall. But yeah, one up
48:51
Speaker 2: and by Canada.
48:52
Speaker 3: Or build an ice wall between US and Mexico. You
48:57
Speaker 3: put enough ice there, it'll stay.
48:59
Speaker 2: How about this right down the center of the United States.
49:03
Speaker 3: Oh, down the Mississippi.
49:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the fucking wall. I want either that or now,
49:10
Speaker 2: maybe like right, maybe maybe something to separate us between
49:13
Speaker 2: north and south.
49:15
Speaker 3: Sure sure, sure, yeah, no, like something like, uh, one
49:19
Speaker 3: of the parallels. I feel like it would be good.
49:22
Speaker 3: We could just like cleanly divide along that.
49:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we put a wall there. We put one
49:30
Speaker 2: at the northern border, we put one at the border
49:32
Speaker 2: with Mexico. We put one on both coasts of course.
49:36
Speaker 3: Yeah, you gotta you gotta protect our borders from the coast.
49:40
Speaker 2: Now we're just the fucking pinball machine of a country.
49:43
Speaker 2: Walls everywhere were bouncing all over the place.
49:47
Speaker 3: The giant rolling balls of America. You know, it'll be
49:51
Speaker 3: one of the new wonders of the world. And then
49:54
Speaker 3: like the flippers can be like people that could be
49:57
Speaker 3: more jobs.
49:58
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly like the readers at Walmart, but like thousands
50:02
Speaker 2: of them just moving in Unison, in perfect Unison because
50:06
Speaker 2: we make them so. Yeah, people, because he's from Canada,
50:11
Speaker 2: he's here illegally. There are a lot of people on
50:14
Speaker 2: the right who are like, no, this guy was a
50:16
Speaker 2: leftist and that's why this attack happened. One of the
50:19
Speaker 2: funniest things that they keep pointing to is the fact
50:23
Speaker 2: that he is what's called a Castro nudist protester. And
50:29
Speaker 2: you're getting a lot of people on the right going, oh,
50:33
Speaker 2: so this Castro supporter is also a Donald Trump supporter,
50:40
Speaker 2: And it's like, you fucking underheads. They mean the Castro
50:44
Speaker 2: district in San Francisco, not Fidel Castro. Why would there
50:49
Speaker 2: be fucking nudists for Fidel Castro. I mean, the climate
50:55
Speaker 2: in Cuba certainly calls for it.
50:57
Speaker 3: Good for them, Yeah, but I got no problem with it.
51:01
Speaker 3: But that's very funny. I just am like, if you're Canadian,
51:05
Speaker 3: why on earth would you give a shit about Nancy
51:09
Speaker 3: Pelosi like you you're from Kanada, you get to not care.
51:14
Speaker 3: That's a privilege that you Yeah.
51:16
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm always confused by shit like that. But it
51:20
Speaker 2: seems like he's been He must have been here a
51:22
Speaker 2: while though. It seems so maybe he's adapted our fucking ways.
51:27
Speaker 3: Yeah, our ways of hating Nancy Pelosi.
51:30
Speaker 2: So people on the right are pointing to all that.
51:34
Speaker 2: There's also an interview with one of his neighbors, and
51:37
Speaker 2: this neighbor was like, man, he was weird and I
51:41
Speaker 2: just stayed away from him in general. And they were like, well,
51:46
Speaker 2: what about his politics? And they were like, I don't know, man,
51:48
Speaker 2: probably left leaning, but I again, I don't know. I'm
51:52
Speaker 2: guessing I don't talk to the guy. And they're based
51:54
Speaker 2: in that on the fact that they're in Berkeley, for
51:56
Speaker 2: one thing, and this garage he was living in there
52:00
Speaker 2: was like a Black Lives Matter flag and a Pride
52:03
Speaker 2: flag nearby, sure, And so that automatically means this guy
52:07
Speaker 2: is a leftist plant who attacked Paul Pelosi for political
52:11
Speaker 2: gain with a hammer. And I think this speaks to
52:15
Speaker 2: kind of the narcissism on both sides, where like, if
52:20
Speaker 2: you're truly a supporter of the Republican Party or the
52:24
Speaker 2: Democratic Party. Right now, you have no doubt in your
52:27
Speaker 2: mind that everyone is either your team or their team.
52:32
Speaker 2: There's no in between. You're either with us or against us.
52:36
Speaker 2: And I'm sorry, but there are people out there that
52:38
Speaker 2: hate you both, that just generally hate the government. Here's
52:42
Speaker 2: the thing. I don't want to tie up her husband
52:45
Speaker 2: and break her kneecaps, but I would also like to
52:47
Speaker 2: ask Nancy Pelosi some questions.
52:51
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can think of a few things I think
52:54
Speaker 3: Nancy Pelosi could do and I would be happy. But like, yeah,
52:58
Speaker 3: I'm not a Democrat and I'm not a Republican.
53:01
Speaker 2: I just I don't I think both sides are relatively broken. Yeah,
53:07
Speaker 2: and I think you got to take into account that
53:10
Speaker 2: a lot of people think that way too. And this guy, yeah, there,
53:13
Speaker 2: I even saw a I'll try and find the tweet
53:17
Speaker 2: or did I find it now? I didn't link to it.
53:19
Speaker 2: But there's a reporter in San Francisco who people were
53:22
Speaker 2: asking these questions, and he tweeted that this guy was
53:25
Speaker 2: the former partner of this woman who's in I think
53:28
Speaker 2: prison for attempted murder of a child. And cool, he
53:32
Speaker 2: was like, look, into their past. They're just anti government,
53:35
Speaker 2: like some people just are anti government in general, and because.
53:41
Speaker 3: The government wants to interfere with their child murdering or
53:45
Speaker 3: whatever exactly.
53:48
Speaker 2: And also this guy's I'm sorry, this guy's crazy, Like
53:50
Speaker 2: no way, he's clearly got some some mental issues.
53:54
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's fair, and so I don't I
53:58
Speaker 3: don't really.
53:59
Speaker 2: See the point. I mean, I get why both sides
54:02
Speaker 2: are trying to assign a definitive label to this guy
54:06
Speaker 2: right for political gain, but it seems kind of pointless
54:10
Speaker 2: to me, Like in the big scheme of things, the
54:12
Speaker 2: thing they point to in terms of this guy being
54:15
Speaker 2: a right winger is all of his blog posts. And
54:20
Speaker 2: the reason that's not gonna convince anyone is the blog
54:24
Speaker 2: posts that the Washington Post apparently identified and will link
54:28
Speaker 2: to an article where they go through those those don't
54:31
Speaker 2: exist anymore and you can't find them. And all of
54:34
Speaker 2: the archived blog posts that people have linked to all
54:37
Speaker 2: have the same date on them. Yeah, and people are like, well,
54:41
Speaker 2: what the fuck's that about? And according to Vice, he
54:45
Speaker 2: registered the website that those all went up on in
54:48
Speaker 2: August of twenty twenty two. And it seems like all
54:52
Speaker 2: the posts just went up like in a span of
54:53
Speaker 2: a couple days from there. So he when you're questioning
54:58
Speaker 2: why they all went on the same day. As someone
55:01
Speaker 2: who has launched websites before, I know, one thing you
55:05
Speaker 2: want to try and do is have some content there
55:08
Speaker 2: already when you launch it, because I think I saw
55:11
Speaker 2: someone on Twitter say they had to pay to read
55:14
Speaker 2: his website. So all of these posts, and this is
55:17
Speaker 2: just me theorizing, but I guess in the non crazy way,
55:21
Speaker 2: he could have just put all those posts up as
55:24
Speaker 2: a here's a website launched thing, and he had this
55:27
Speaker 2: content written and just needed to publish it. And maybe
55:31
Speaker 2: either wasn't savvy enough to know or the hosting service
55:35
Speaker 2: he used didn't allow it. But you can like change
55:38
Speaker 2: the dates a post to make them look like they
55:40
Speaker 2: went up at different times. But if you're just launching
55:43
Speaker 2: a website that you just registered that month, if you
55:46
Speaker 2: put all that content up at the same time, it's
55:48
Speaker 2: all going to show up as the same date. So again,
55:52
Speaker 2: I know it looks weird, but it is far from
55:55
Speaker 2: definitive proof that these blog posts were faked by Antifa, because,
55:59
Speaker 2: of course or antifa count with Antifa in its name
56:03
Speaker 2: linked or tweeted out the blog post screenshots.
56:06
Speaker 3: It is. I mean, I will say, like, it is
56:10
Speaker 3: kind of weird to have a post called you walk
56:13
Speaker 3: around telling me what to fuck and what not to fuck,
56:16
Speaker 3: and then with a link to a YouTube video about
56:21
Speaker 3: the Pixar movie Brave.
56:23
Speaker 2: Oh did you read his reviews of Black Adam?
56:25
Speaker 3: No?
56:26
Speaker 2: Oh, you got. I'll find those. I cannot put them
56:29
Speaker 2: in the chat because it'll be another forty five minutes
56:32
Speaker 2: of silence while you read them, but I'll try and
56:35
Speaker 2: find it and send it to you. It is long
56:37
Speaker 2: as shit, and it's all about how that movie is
56:40
Speaker 2: just about killing white people. So yeah, I don't really
56:43
Speaker 2: see the value unless you are actually campaigning for office.
56:47
Speaker 2: I don't really see the value in trying to pin
56:50
Speaker 2: a political affiliation on this guy. But if those blog
56:53
Speaker 2: posts are real, he's clearly definitely leaning right these days. Yes,
56:58
Speaker 2: even if he didn't always would, which is also a possibility.
57:01
Speaker 3: That happens all the time.
57:02
Speaker 2: Yeah, he could have been a leftist at one point
57:04
Speaker 2: and has now shifted to the right.
57:06
Speaker 3: Yeah, or libertarian or whatever.
57:09
Speaker 2: And this is a case where I think I do.
57:11
Speaker 2: I mean, I always when it involves police, I almost
57:15
Speaker 2: always want this, But I would like to see the
57:17
Speaker 2: bodycam footage here, Yeah, because that's all they really need
57:21
Speaker 2: to do to clear up what happened at the door. Yeah,
57:25
Speaker 2: and just show it up to the point, like right
57:28
Speaker 2: before the hammer hits him, just like freeze it right there.
57:32
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think all bodycam footage should be like on
57:35
Speaker 3: a website and you could be like you can like
57:37
Speaker 3: search it by badge number and date and time, like yeah,
57:41
Speaker 3: every fucking second that a bodycam is on.
57:46
Speaker 2: That would actually be great. Yes, that is the kind
57:49
Speaker 2: of police oversight we do actually need. Yes, especially if
57:53
Speaker 2: you could like go on that website and flag your
57:56
Speaker 2: own bodycam footage, be like I was in this A
58:01
Speaker 2: people should look at this.
58:02
Speaker 3: Yeah.
58:03
Speaker 2: But yeah, they just need to release the body cam footage.
58:05
Speaker 2: They did it with the DUI arrest. I accept that
58:08
Speaker 2: this is a far more high level crime than that duy,
58:12
Speaker 2: but that's all they gotta do, I think to I mean,
58:15
Speaker 2: and it's still like they'll be like, what it takes
58:17
Speaker 2: a long body camp footage is edited, Like, it's still
58:21
Speaker 2: not It's still not going to satisfy anyone's concerns. But
58:26
Speaker 2: on the bright side, we might not even still be
58:28
Speaker 2: a country by then, because like again, this comes out
58:32
Speaker 2: the day the midterms are happening. Who knows what kind
58:34
Speaker 2: of fires are going to start in light of all that,
58:37
Speaker 2: So by the time this goes up, we might not
58:40
Speaker 2: even care anymore. I mean I already Paul Pelosi is fine,
58:44
Speaker 2: so I already don't care. It's like when someone falls
58:48
Speaker 2: on ice, like you have to pause and make sure
58:50
Speaker 2: they didn't break a hip, and then you get to life. Like,
58:54
Speaker 2: I'm not going to laugh, but I'm also like kinda
58:56
Speaker 2: over this story already.
58:59
Speaker 3: Yeah, one at it, Yeah, exactly. Well, this is just
59:03
Speaker 3: one of those that I'm basically not on Twitter anymore,
59:07
Speaker 3: and this whole story just passed me by. Uh and
59:11
Speaker 3: I feel like my life was richer for that.
59:15
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59:21
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59:21
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59:27
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59:32
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59:35
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59:37
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59:38
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59:40
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59:42
Speaker 2: thing just fucking blows everything up and I hate that
59:45
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59:48
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59:51
Speaker 2: Like but no, Miguel Almaghare was no.
59:55
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59:58
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1:01:16
Speaker 3: to see me, retweet this podcast. And that's it. I mean, no,
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Speaker 3: not really. I'm I'm busy. I got so much shit.
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Speaker 3: I'm failing tests left and right, like I gotta, I
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Speaker 3: gotta be a bad student. Take Olivia's online.
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Speaker 2: Someone volunteer to take Olivia's tests.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, if someone, Yeah, that would be great. I bet
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Speaker 3: that would work.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course. So I think that's it. Let's get
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Speaker 2: out of here, Olivia say goodbye, bye, goodbye everybody. We
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Speaker 2: love you.
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Speaker 3: People started being strong