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The Happy Home Podcast with Arlene Pellicane - Luke Smallbone on Drummer Boy: Forgiveness, Family, and Getting Your Brother Back · LifeAudio

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  Speaker 1: Hi, friend. I'm so glad you're here today. Let's learn
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  Speaker 1: how to raise our kids to love God, respect authority,
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  Speaker 1: and do what's right. Let's scroll less and live more.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Arlene Pelican, and this is The Happy Home. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: you guys, it just keeps getting better and better on
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  Speaker 1: the Happy Home Podcast. We now are going to be
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  Speaker 1: able to close the circle, Luke Smallbone, because I've had
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  Speaker 1: your sister, Rebecca St. James, on. Then I had your brother, Joel,
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  Speaker 1: about your unsung hero movie. And then I was able
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  Speaker 1: to have your wife, the precious Courtney, about time to
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  Speaker 1: color woman. And now, finally, I've got to have you.
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  Speaker 1: So this, to me, this is like the super quad
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  Speaker 1: spin place.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, you are so, so sweet. Well, you've already had
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  Speaker 2: the best. Yeah. So you're going to finish here. All right.
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  Speaker 1: It's a circle. It's a circle of equals. So I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to bring you back in time, and it's going
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  Speaker 1: to tie into your new movie, Drummer Boy. So for
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  Speaker 1: those of you on YouTube, I am showing Luke a
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  Speaker 1: photograph of Luke.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, my goodness.
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  Speaker 1: And my daughter, Noelle, and my other daughter, Lucy, this
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  Speaker 1: is eight years ago. And they interviewed Luke for this
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  Speaker 1: magazine for Girls Like You. We got to come backstage
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  Speaker 1: and do this interview. And on the photograph, they wrote,
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  Speaker 1: it's just the cutest thing, 2018, September, for King & Country, Irvine,
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  Speaker 1: which is where it was from. But it was spelled Irvine, U-R-V-I-N-E,
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  Speaker 1: which I love. It's with an I. But it sounds
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  Speaker 1: like Irvine. Yeah. But at this stage in your life, Luke, 2018,
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  Speaker 1: eight years ago, you were just dreaming of making a
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  Speaker 1: movie about like, how can we use this drummer boy
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  Speaker 1: thing in a movie?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And here we are eight years later on the podcast
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  Speaker 1: with this movie released into the wide world drummer boy.
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  Speaker 1: I want to hear just a little glimpse of this
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  Speaker 1: eight year process and what that feels like seeing it
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  Speaker 1: on the big screen for you. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, look, that's, crazy. I love that you brought that, that,
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  Speaker 2: that makes it feel very human. And, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how old your daughters are now.
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  Speaker 1: She's 20 now. She was 12, 12 when she interviewed
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  Speaker 1: you and 20 now.
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  Speaker 2: Look at what eight years does, right?
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  Speaker 3: You know, if you were to rewind all the way back, right,
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  Speaker 3: all the way back, which is 2012, which was when we, uh,
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  Speaker 3: came up with the rendition of drummer boy. And guys,
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  Speaker 3: if I could be so honest, we literally picked the
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  Speaker 3: song because it.
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  Speaker 2: Had the name drummer in it. And we're like, well,
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  Speaker 2: we like drums.
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  Speaker 3: So we'll do drummer boy, you know? And I didn't know,
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  Speaker 3: I didn't know the story. I hadn't seen the movie, nothing. Just,
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  Speaker 3: just literally were like drummer boy knew of the song.
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  Speaker 3: And to be honest, it wasn't until I had sung
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  Speaker 3: the lyrics in a studio where I was reading the
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  Speaker 3: lyrics that I realized that This song is written about
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  Speaker 3: a little boy who doesn't have anything else, but he
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  Speaker 3: has this gift of being able to play drums. And
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  Speaker 3: he wants to go play it for Jesus. And I
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  Speaker 3: remember actually in the studio kind of getting a little
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  Speaker 3: emotional as I realized.
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  Speaker 2: The power of that.
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  Speaker 3: Because to be totally honest, and people may look at
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  Speaker 3: what we do and they may have all sorts of
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  Speaker 3: different opinions, but I actually feel like the little drummer boy.
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  Speaker 3: And it's not because I'm the greatest drummer. I'm actually
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  Speaker 3: not a very good drummer.
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  Speaker 2: It's just I just feel like this.
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  Speaker 3: You know, from when I was a very young boy,
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  Speaker 3: I would write in my journals, you know, God, I
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  Speaker 3: don't even know what I'm good at. I don't even
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  Speaker 3: know what I can do. I don't know what life
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  Speaker 3: has for me. But I do want you to know
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  Speaker 3: that you can have all of it. And most of
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  Speaker 3: my life has been some level of a wild goose
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  Speaker 3: chase of just doing the next thing. right thing as
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  Speaker 3: frozen says frozen to uh the next right thing it
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  Speaker 3: just and and and here we are having conversations about
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  Speaker 3: a a a movie that was a song and obviously
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  Speaker 3: the the concept of drummer boy in 2018 you know,
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  Speaker 3: if you had told me that this was the journey
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  Speaker 3: that we would go on, I would be like, well,
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  Speaker 3: if we haven't made it, but you know, within four
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  Speaker 3: or five years, this film's never going to be made.
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  Speaker 3: And here we are on the precipice of it being
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  Speaker 3: released November the sixth, uh, you know, it's probably pretty
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  Speaker 3: much everything.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like everything that I've worked on.
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  Speaker 3: Professionally is probably is culminating to this point. And so
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  Speaker 3: what a, what a privilege it is for it to
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  Speaker 3: actually be here and be in existence.
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  Speaker 1: And we're going to talk about the film in a moment.
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  Speaker 1: But I think what you just said lands for so
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  Speaker 1: many parents because we'll think, wow, you're Luke Smallbone. You're
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  Speaker 1: half a freaking country. Like you've kind of made it.
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  Speaker 1: But in our minds as parents, right, we think, wow,
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  Speaker 1: if we could grow up and our kid would be
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  Speaker 1: like Luke Smallbone, wow. But here you are and you're
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  Speaker 1: just offering the whole time. Lord, I'm not even sure
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  Speaker 1: what I'm good at, but I offer it to you.
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  Speaker 1: And it's like, wait, our kids can do that.
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  Speaker 2: I still kind of feel like that kid.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I mean that genuinely. Like, you know, I've
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  Speaker 3: learned to, I've learned to sing. And guys, I would
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  Speaker 3: say I sung in the shower growing up. And then
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  Speaker 3: obviously I got to a point where I could sing
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  Speaker 3: a little bit for the church. But like, there's better
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  Speaker 3: singers than me. There's better songwriters than me. There's better
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  Speaker 3: movie makers than me. Like you, everywhere you go, there's better.
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  Speaker 3: But yet I just feel like a lot of, you know,
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  Speaker 3: one of the things I love about reading in the Bible.
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  Speaker 3: I prayed a few years ago, like, Lord, will you
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  Speaker 3: give me such a hunger for the Bible? Because I
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  Speaker 3: knew that I was misunderstanding so many things. And so
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  Speaker 3: because of when you misunderstand something, something is actually boring.
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  Speaker 3: It's like handing a book, an adult book to a child.
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  Speaker 3: They can only read and understand so much.
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  Speaker 2: So what do they do?
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  Speaker 3: They never want to read the adult book. Well, I
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  Speaker 3: was in some cases asking God, like, make me an adult.
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  Speaker 3: Make me understand some of the things that are going
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  Speaker 3: on here. And what's funny is, is when you read
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  Speaker 3: in the Bible, pretty much all of the people that
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  Speaker 3: God used to do something were pretty screwed up. We're
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  Speaker 3: not the most talented. And yet you kind of watch
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  Speaker 3: him show off a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: It's always just given me great comfort for me in
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  Speaker 3: life because yeah, I was just still, I still, you know, uh,
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  Speaker 3: we'll have this film come out, there'll be speeches, there'll
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  Speaker 3: be talks and there's still this like, Oh boy, I
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  Speaker 3: don't know if I'm capable of doing these things.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: Totally. And then that's the beauty of dependence. Like, Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I can't do this on my own. Like, God, I
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  Speaker 1: got to depend on you. You got me in this spot.
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  Speaker 1: You're going to, you're going to work through me. You know,
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  Speaker 1: during that interview that my daughter Noel did eight years
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  Speaker 1: ago when she was 12, she asked you, If you
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  Speaker 1: dreamt of being a singer and you had told her, no,
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  Speaker 1: not really. I wanted to be an athlete. But then
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  Speaker 1: this tour and ACL thing happened. And then your brother
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  Speaker 1: Joel is like, hey, you want to make some demos?
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  Speaker 1: And you're like, okay, and see where that brought you.
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  Speaker 1: But at five years old, you had forgotten. But your
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  Speaker 1: mom said.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't that crazy?
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  Speaker 1: You know, she asked you, what do you want to
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  Speaker 1: be when you grow up? And you said, I want
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  Speaker 1: to play drums and be a singer.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's like amazing.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it almost brings tears to my eyes because.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it's funny how you forget, you know, in
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  Speaker 3: the grand scheme of the things that God is orchestrating
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  Speaker 3: and doing, we don't have the privilege of seeing the
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  Speaker 3: big picture and we're better off because of that. But
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  Speaker 3: something all of those years ago was inside of me
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  Speaker 3: that I didn't, I wasn't, you know, brave enough to articulate.
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  Speaker 2: I did an interview, um, when I was probably 12
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  Speaker 2: or 10 or 11.
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  Speaker 3: Or somewhere in there when we were helping our sister
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  Speaker 3: do a bunch of, um, crew stuff and that breakaway magazine.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't remember if you know that. I remember that.
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  Speaker 3: We did, we did this interview with them and he
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  Speaker 3: asked me, uh, Mike Yorkey. I still, we're still friends
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  Speaker 3: with the guy who wrote the article. And he said, well, Luke,
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  Speaker 3: when you get older, you know, what do you think
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  Speaker 3: you're going to be? And I had forgotten my five-year-old comment.
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  Speaker 3: I wasn't even a good enough athlete to dream up
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  Speaker 3: the idea of maybe wanting to be an athlete.
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  Speaker 2: I was in the middle.
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  Speaker 3: I was caught in the middle. There's a lot of
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  Speaker 3: people that get stuck in the middle. but you're not
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  Speaker 3: quite one place or another.
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  Speaker 2: You're just in the middle.
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  Speaker 3: And I said, one, this is my answer. It's the most,
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  Speaker 3: that's the worst answer ever. I said, I could see
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  Speaker 3: myself one day being in an office.
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  Speaker 1: No, you did not.
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  Speaker 2: What does that even mean? I don't even know. That's hilarious.
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  Speaker 1: And you are now in an office.
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  Speaker 2: I'm now in an office. So I guess I was,
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  Speaker 2: I was, I'm quite the prophet. I'm quite the prophet.
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  Speaker 1: Well, not only are you in an office, your movie,
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  Speaker 1: Drummer Boy, is Angel Studios' first theatrical musical. So that's
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  Speaker 1: kind of a cool first to have. There's a line
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  Speaker 1: in the movie where it's like, fight for your king
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  Speaker 1: and country, right? And I mean, were you guys like
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  Speaker 1: grinning from ear to ear when you were filming this
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  Speaker 1: fight for king and country bit?
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  Speaker 2: Well, we had the privilege of riding it, right? So
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  Speaker 2: we knew what we were doing.
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  Speaker 1: That's right.
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  Speaker 3: But part of the reason why we put it in
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  Speaker 3: there is because, you know, the reason why we're named
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  Speaker 3: for King and Country is because, you know, back in
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  Speaker 3: the day, that's what the British used to chant before
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  Speaker 3: going into battle, right? But for King and Country, it
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  Speaker 3: was fascinating because it's kind of a mission statement for us.
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  Speaker 3: You know, the reason why we do what we do
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  Speaker 3: is we do.
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  Speaker 2: Music for King.
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  Speaker 3: We do movies for King and for country, for people.
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  Speaker 3: And so every time that we're kind of introduced as
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  Speaker 3: Fakir and Country, it's a little bit of a mission statement.
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  Speaker 3: It really showcases the reason why we're doing, you know,
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  Speaker 3: what we're doing, you know. And so, yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: it's good to have fun along the way, right? So
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  Speaker 3: that's one that we got to have a little fun with.
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  Speaker 1: It is a lot of fun. And when my daughter
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  Speaker 1: interviewed you, you guys had talked about how hard it
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  Speaker 1: was coming up with a name that you were like,
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  Speaker 1: Joel and Luke, but that doesn't really work how hard
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  Speaker 1: it was. So you have your Stan Lee little cameo
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  Speaker 1: moment in the movie, right? And I saw you once.
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  Speaker 1: Is that right? That you were only once?
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  Speaker 2: Yep. Just once.
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  Speaker 1: Yep. So friends, when you see this movie, just know
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  Speaker 1: there will be this moment where you will see Luke
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  Speaker 1: on screen and it will really make you smile because
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  Speaker 1: you'll be.
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  Speaker 2: Like, this is his big moment. Yeah. I realized very quickly,
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  Speaker 2: like I'm this massive presence in there. Like as much
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  Speaker 2: as I wanted to like be in with everybody else
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  Speaker 2: and no one could see me, it's like, you just
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  Speaker 2: kind of see it and you can't.
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  Speaker 3: Forget it because I look very, I mean, think about this.
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  Speaker 3: In the revolution, George Washington was a giant at 6'3.
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  Speaker 3: I'm taller than George Washington. So when I come up
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  Speaker 3: on the screen, there's like, who's this bozo?
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  Speaker 2: What's he doing? But... I did get seven words. That's
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  Speaker 2: my line. I have seven words.
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  Speaker 1: It's big.
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  Speaker 3: And I was looking up the other day, you know,
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  Speaker 3: what does it require? How many words do you have
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  Speaker 3: to say to, to win an Oscar? And you know, there's, there's,
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  Speaker 3: there's no limit. There's no limit. So I could never
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  Speaker 3: say a word and I could be, you know, be
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  Speaker 3: up for the best supporting actor.
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  Speaker 1: So you're doing the music for this movie. when your family, like,
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  Speaker 1: was your whole family there at that screening? Just kind
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  Speaker 1: of give us that little glimpse of when you see
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  Speaker 1: this music on the big screen, what's going through your mind. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I might be the wrong person to answer
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  Speaker 3: some of these questions because I.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's your mind. So it's not anybody else's mind.
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  Speaker 1: It's your mind. You're the right person.
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  Speaker 2: I see it very analytically. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And so sometimes it's very difficult for me to separate
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  Speaker 3: myself from any art, if that makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: I just.
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  Speaker 3: People ask me all the time, what music do you
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  Speaker 3: listen to? And I'm like, I don't have a great
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  Speaker 3: answer for that. Because it's what the kids are listening to.
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  Speaker 3: It's what Courtney's listening to. But I don't listen to music.
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  Speaker 3: And this is going to sound very sad. I don't
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  Speaker 3: listen to music for comfort necessarily. And nowadays when I
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  Speaker 3: listen to music, I listen to it as a scientist.
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  Speaker 3: I listen to what they're doing. I listen to why
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  Speaker 3: it moves them. And so I'm fascinated with it. And
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  Speaker 3: I can't get away from it. So anyway, when I
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  Speaker 3: first see... the musical numbers being played, you know, I'm
• 11:55
  Speaker 3: sitting there thinking, yeah, did I get, you know, did
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  Speaker 3: we get the actors seeing it with the right amount
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  Speaker 3: of conviction?
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  Speaker 2: You know, did we get the, you know, did we
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  Speaker 2: get the things? And so, You know, the premiere is
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  Speaker 2: coming up. Right.
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  Speaker 3: And so maybe that will be the point where I
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  Speaker 3: can just sit back. But, you know, you dream of
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  Speaker 3: these moments.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But some cases you're counteracting your dreams with a reality.
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  Speaker 2: That's right. They're different. Right. So now you've got the
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  Speaker 2: reality that it is.
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  Speaker 3: And then, you know, you have something else that you're
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  Speaker 3: like one day. And so I'll never forget when we
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  Speaker 3: finally got the green light for the film. My wife
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  Speaker 3: was like, how does it feel? And I was like, well,
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  Speaker 3: in some cases it's strange because we're just getting going now.
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  Speaker 3: And she's like, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 2: But you've already, you know, you've kind of done it
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  Speaker 2: because you've written all the songs. And I look at
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  Speaker 2: it in the other way. It's like, well, if we
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  Speaker 2: never got the green light, nobody would have ever heard
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  Speaker 2: these songs. That wouldn't be no process. So in some cases,
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  Speaker 2: we're just getting going, you know, so, you know, it's very,
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  Speaker 2: it's very satisfying, obviously.
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  Speaker 3: When you have something that you've dreamt, you know, this is, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: as you mentioned, it's eight years in the making, right?
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  Speaker 3: And so there's a lot of, you know, I think
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  Speaker 3: I've had, you know, close to, you know, two or
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  Speaker 3: three children in that time.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 3: It's a long period of time to be able to
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  Speaker 3: be working on a film, but to see it here,
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  Speaker 3: to be able to hear people sing along to the songs,
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  Speaker 3: for it to move people, to affect people, to change people,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I don't know what art is in heaven,
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  Speaker 3: but what I do know is music is definitely there
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  Speaker 3: because music has the ability to wake somebody up in
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  Speaker 3: the morning who doesn't want to wake up, to be
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  Speaker 3: able to Spur somebody on on a run when they
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  Speaker 3: want to give up. Who, when they're depressed, gives them
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  Speaker 3: a little bit of a glimpse of joy. Like, I
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  Speaker 3: don't really know anything else that is as potent and
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  Speaker 3: as powerful as music in someone's life. And so to
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  Speaker 3: see some of these songs come to life and is
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  Speaker 3: a real thrill. I hope I never really lose that,
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  Speaker 3: you know, even though I do listen to it as
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  Speaker 3: a scientist at times.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to lose the joy of it.
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  Speaker 1: The joy, the joyful scientist. That is you.
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  Speaker 2: I hope so.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, my word. And it's so true. I mean, that
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  Speaker 1: is God's gift to us in music. And this movie
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  Speaker 1: is so good. The acting, like Benjamin Lucas Leach as Benjamin,
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  Speaker 1: India Brown as Emmeline, of course, your brother, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Did you get like a little chuckle at the very beginning,
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  Speaker 1: being like, there is my brother, all dressed up in
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  Speaker 1: his garb, singing. Like, was there any kind of feel
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  Speaker 1: like that for you? No.
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  Speaker 2: No. I think he's around here somewhere, so I've got
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: to be careful what I say.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: You know, there's always this, I hope you got this, man.
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  Speaker 2: Which he did. You better not screw this up. He
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  Speaker 2: did do it.
• 14:36
  Speaker 3: Because so much of it is built on these things.
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: And, you know, Joel always likes to take on a lot, right?
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: Because he's the co-director, and we wrote all the songs together,
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: and he's acting in it as well. And there does
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: come a point where you're like, hey, man, like, we're
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: pretty sure that Everybody else knows how to do this, but, like,
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: you better be able to pull this off, you know,
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: because it's built around it.
• 14:57
  Speaker 3: So, no, man, I actually feel that it's his– of
• 15:00
  Speaker 3: all the films that I've seen him do, I forget
• 15:03
  Speaker 3: that he's my brother sometimes.
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah.
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: And that means he's doing a good job.
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that.
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: And there's– you know, even in Unsung Hero, sometimes I
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: still felt it. Yeah. And then in Priceless, I could
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: very much feel it. I didn't really feel it this time.
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: I didn't feel– You know, the trick with acting is
• 15:19
  Speaker 3: you're acting, but the idea is for people never to
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: feel like you're acting.
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: And I felt like he was getting closer to that,
• 15:26
  Speaker 3: this film that I've ever known him to, which was fantastic.
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: I think he did a really, really good job.
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: He really did. He did a really good job. And
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: it's the kind of movie the next day you'll wake
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: up and you're still thinking about it, which is, that's
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: a good movie that you're still thinking. And it's beautiful.
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: Like your brother, Ben, my word, he is like a movie...
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's amazing at what he does. What was
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: that like working with your brother, Ben? Everybody hears about Luke,
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: but what about Ben?
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: Oh, man.
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: You know, so most people don't know this, but Ben
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: and I are probably the most alike in my family.
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: And so he was always the guy growing up that
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: used to actually really stick up for me. And so,
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: you know, Joel and I, ironically enough, we didn't get
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: along very well growing up.
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: So, of course, God would make you guys sing together.
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that'll fix them. Yeah, have them sing. Sing kumbaya
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: and hold hands. That'll fix them.
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: So, you know, so I used to be Ben's key
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: grip on shoots before I was doing country stuff. I
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: used to go help him set up lights. And so
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: we would go on all sorts of adventures together. I mean,
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: before he was married, I remember him coming to me.
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: and said, hey, man, you want to go on a
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: camping trip? And I was like, yeah, I'll go on
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: a camping trip.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: Well, who's going?
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: And he's like, well, potentially my future father-in-law.
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: So I just wondered if you could come with me.
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? And so, like, those are
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: the types of things that you get.
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: And, you know, I think to anybody that's listening, you know,
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: raising kids or maybe you're just a little bit older,
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: you know, don't ever forget the bonds that are built
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: in your youth, what they can do as adults or
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: as you grow older.
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: Because, you know, at the end of the day, You know,
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: family's complicated.
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: I could list off a pretty large list of things
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: that are going on right now where you'd be like, oh,
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: this is interesting.
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: But we have a deep love for each other.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: And if you allow it, love can triumph over the complications.
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: And one of the things, even with Ben, and we
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: may get into this a bit later in the interview
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: or not, but there was a period where Joel, Ben,
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: and I were not all.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: Seeing kind of eye to eye on things.
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: And.
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: There was never a doubt about love for each other.
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: But the world and our lifestyles and all the things
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: that kind of make us busy had almost gotten in
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: the way of that love. And it kind of took
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: Drummer Boy bringing us back together to really live out
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: the message behind the screen. That was what we pitched
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: to Ben, you know, a year and a half ago.
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: It was like, hey, man, what if we get in
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: the same room and let's kind of hash out our
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: differences and let's actually go live the message of Drummer Boy. And, uh,
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: and you know, that's, so at the end of the day,
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: I want the film to be successful.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: Who wouldn't want it?
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: Right. But the greatest victory in this film is that
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: I had my brother back and my brother would say
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: the same about me. And that's at the end of
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: the day, I think that's what success looks like guys.
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: It doesn't look like box office numbers. It doesn't look
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: like all wealth is not how much is in your
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: bank account. It's, it's the, it has an awful lot
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: to do with your community and, your families, and your friendship.
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: If those are strong, you're a wealthy, wealthy man.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: It's so true. And that really is what I was
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: going to ask you about. Here it is, this message
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: of the movie is that your deep family wounds can
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: be healed and that the movie is a tension between
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: two brothers and the resolve that can happen instead of
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: we're living in this place in our culture today where
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: it's like, oh, if your family doesn't agree with you,
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: cut them out of your life. They're toxic. They hurt you.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: And people are losing their families left and right. And
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: it's this huge, gigantic loss between adult children and their
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: parents or siblings, you know, not being together because their
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: views don't align. And truly that underlying message of we
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: can reconcile, like what a beautiful message. And who would
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: have ever known I didn't know until you just said
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: it right now that in your own family, that this
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: was a point of coming together for you and your brothers.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: Like that's amazing.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: Look, I think, you know, part of the reason why
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: films as we've already established and people should never feel
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: the complication, but they're so complicated.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: They're very expensive. There's so much.
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: And then you throw a musical, you got music, the
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: musical and the music can't suck or else you hate
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: the movie, you know?
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: So like there's all of these things going on. Right.
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: But the thing that, I always have to get to, okay,
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: if I'm going to sign up for this insanity, because
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: films are kind of insane. I mean, I took my
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: wife and my four kids to Ireland for three months.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: Right. I mean, we moved to a different country.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: Which is cool for like 10 days. And then the
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: rest of the time you're like, what in the world
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: are we doing in Ireland?
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: And you're like, well, we're still here looking for leprechauns.
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: But, you know, but the gift that is this film
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: is I had to work through The why for me
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: is I do not believe you can have freedom in
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: your life.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: Freedom is a nation without the gift of forgiveness.
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: Someone said to me once, you know, if you want
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: to live a joyful and happy life, there's basically one
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: thing you need to learn how to do. And that
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: is to learn to forgive the people that you find unforgivable.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: If you learn to do that, you will actually live.
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: a satisfied life. And I thought, wow, that's pretty big.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: And so part of the reason why we wanted this
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: film to take place, and it's a Christmas film. I mean, really,
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: this film merges our three loves, music, Christmas, and film.
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: You put it in a blender and out comes Drummer Boy.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: But one of the reasons why we wanted this to
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: come out at Christmas time is because the truth is,
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: for many people, I think I read a statistic the
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: other day that said 38% of people have a family
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: member that they are estranged from.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: 38%? That's a lot of people.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: That's a lot of people. Now, some of it may
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: be necessary, right? Let's not forget that there are genuine abuses.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: You know, there's addiction things in there. There are certain
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: things where for the betterment and the protection of your family,
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: some of this is required. Certainly not 38% from what
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: I can tell. Maybe half, maybe I would think it's
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: even smaller than that. That is actually a legit thing that, hey,
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: this might need to take place. So what I realized is,
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: is I don't want Thanksgiving in people's to look over
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: at that empty chair and just ignore it. I actually
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: want people to watch this movie. And when they get
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: through the movie, they realize that, oh, Thanksgiving's coming, Christmas
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: is coming, and that chair is always empty. And it's
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: empty because of me. What would you do to pick
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: up the phone and make a phone call? And what
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: I realized about most estrangement, if you want to call
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: it that, is it starts, I don't even know, most
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: people can't ever remember where it started. something small becomes
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: so significant, so big that, you know, we just, and
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: we let it and it becomes a forest fire. I
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: think unforgiveness is very much like a forest fire. It
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: starts out very, very small. It starts from the camper
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: who maybe forgot to put the rock around the edge.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: But then all of a sudden it destroys, can destroy
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: thousands and thousands of acres. Sometimes your soul is a
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: little bit like the acreage that it destroys.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And you think it's too late, like it's too far.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: And it's not like it can be put out.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: There's a running theme throughout the movie, like who you
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: hope to be. Yeah. And are we who we hope
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: to be? How has this as a father, kind of
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: this message, kind of made you look at your children,
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: you know, in a certain way? Has it had any
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: impact in that direction?
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: I think that every man, every woman should ask at
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: least a few times a year, am I who I
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: hope to be? Because what happens is, is You start,
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: you develop patterns and habits in life. And the moment
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: you say yes to a certain pattern or a certain
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: habit that's negative, they become very difficult to stop. And
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: then that becomes something that all of a sudden is,
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: you're looking back in the rear view mirror and it's
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: been years, years upon years. And, you know, so for me,
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: one of the things that I've just realized as a parent, like, look,
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: I can give my kids the greatest speeches of all time.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: Not that I'm particularly good at that, but I can
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: try to be eloquent and I can try to give
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: them great wisdom.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: But the truth is, they live as I live.
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: They will look at me and I can teach my
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: kids to work hard.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: But if they don't see their dad working hard, well,
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: why would they work hard?
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: And yet, and if they see their dad not working
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: hard and somehow still being rewarded for it, well, that's
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: the example that they're going to follow. So are you
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: who you hope to be demands a response. You can't
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: really just kind of go, um, I don't know. That
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: doesn't work. Like, are you who you hope to be?
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: It's a yes or a no answer. And, you know,
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: and sometimes it might be not quite. Okay, well, then
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: what are you doing to make some changes in your life?
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: And that to me, one of my favorite moments is
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: actually at the end of the film, not to be
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: a spoiler, but at the end of the film, one
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: of the actors looks at the camera, breaks the fourth
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: wall and says, are you who you hope to be?
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: I think that that's going to be something that really resonates.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: And I hope people, that's the debate. That's the conversation
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: on the way home in the car. You very rarely
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: go to see a movie by yourself. And what's the
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: first thing you do when you walk out of a movie?
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: What did you think?
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: My hope is, is that they say, I loved it,
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: but I got to figure out who I want to be.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: And that would be, I mean, that would be amazing.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: And it will happen as you watch this film. Your
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: advice about for families just living in busy times? Because
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: obviously this was a very busy time filming this movie.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: Any like rhythms that you found that helped you connect
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: with Courtney, connect with your kids through this busy schedule?
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Because a lot of people listening, they live in this
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: busy kind of life.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: I mean, look, that's... Am I who I hope to
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: be when it comes to busyness? That's something I have
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: to continually address, right? So don't, you know, I'm not
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: a master.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: At these things.
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: I do have a few things, but just know a
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: lot of this, by the way, I think for any
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: parent out there, it's a little bit of a work
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: in progress. And I think sometimes we pivot and we're
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: a little bit like the pendulum swings so far that
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: it's almost like unattainable to keep, if that makes sense.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: So one of the things I would say is any
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: changes you want to make in your schedule when it
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: comes to busyness, make sure they're attainable. Because what happens
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: is we're like, we're going to go on a walk
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: every single day at 5 p.m. Well, sometimes there's traffic,
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: you know, and there's sometimes these other things. And then
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: all of a sudden you as a parent or a
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: spouse or whatever, like I'm failing because I didn't get
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: to do this. And it's like, you know, give yourself
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: some grace. But one of the things we did in
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: Europe when we were actually in Ireland is we would,
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: whenever I would come home when we were in pre-production,
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: so we weren't on set yet, we would take the
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: whole family and there was this beautiful walk. And we
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: would just, we'd drive the car there and we would
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: walk and the kids could go Play out in the forest. And,
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: you know, Courtney and I would walk, you know, kind
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: of together, side by side. And then the kids would disappear, reappear,
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: throw the ball, do all these things. And it's one
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: of my favorite memories, actually, of that period of time.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: And then for me, you know, as a dad with,
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: you know, boys, you know, I just try to get
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: outside with the kids once every day.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: It doesn't necessarily mean it always happens. Yeah.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: But usually speaking, if the sun is setting now, it's
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: in the summer months, you know, so the sun's been
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: up a little bit longer. You're usually going to find
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: me throwing the football with the boys every evening. It's just,
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: there's just something about it. Rick Warren once, it's going
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: to sound like a name drop.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: It's not. It was just really good advice.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: But he was, we've become friends over the years and
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: he was dropping us off at the airport himself, by
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: the way.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: He was the Uber driver. I love that.
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: And somehow we got talking about parenting. And he said,
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: I think my brother Daniel was up there or I
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: was talking.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: I forget who it was. But he just said, hey,
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: you got any parenting advice? And he goes, yes, I do. And,
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: you know, if you know Rick, he's a very big personality.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: He goes, yes, I do.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: And he goes, parenting doesn't take place across from a table.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: It takes place side by side.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: So he said, if you got something that's big and
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: important to talk about with your son or your daughter,
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: go for a walk. Take a drive. go work on
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: a project together. He said, there's something about being side
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: by side that breaks down barriers. I've never forgotten that.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: And so even with that, you know, habit of throwing
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: the football, they end up by your side, you know,
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: going on a walk, they end.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Up lingering, you know, they're side by side.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: I just thought, no, having dinner at the dinner table,
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: extremely a pivotal, wonderful thing that everyone should implement. But
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: That's not usually the place for great breakthrough conversations because,
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: you know, in my house, there's five other humans around.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? Right.
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: So, you know, those are just a few things probably
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: off the top of my mind. I'm just a person,
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: by the way. I'm not any expert.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: I'm just a person.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: But you're a dad and we can share what we're
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: learning together.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: What would you say as we close? And this has
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: been just amazing. Was there a favorite moment, a favorite
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: scene from the movie that resonated with you especially?
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: There's a scene at.
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: The dinner table, and you probably know what I'm talking
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: about when I mention this.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: And I don't think this is a spoiler alert, but
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: who cares? I guess I can do this. I can
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: spoil it.
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: And the two brothers have obviously grown up very close,
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: but their ideals are changing who they are. And my
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: brother Joel's character, Jeremiah, says to his younger brother, the
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: unspeakable There's a line where Benjamin's character has.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: A crippled leg and he makes fun of it.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: And he basically says, you know, one week, you know,
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: if you join the Patriots, one week.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Of them dragging your worthless leg around will get them
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: all killed. And most people are like, wait, that's your
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: favorite scene?
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: And the reason why it is, is because I realized
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: in myself, I did that as a brother. I took
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: the vulnerable things that I knew because I was close
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  Speaker 3: to my siblings and I poked at them and I
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  Speaker 3: brought them to the surface and I created wedges because
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  Speaker 3: I obviously felt insecure about my own abilities to do X, Y, Z.
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  Speaker 3: And it's just made me realize that that's what we
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  Speaker 3: oftentimes do as people. We find someone's vulnerability and we
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  Speaker 3: weaponize them. And it's just a real distinct moment for
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  Speaker 3: me because what ends up happening is the film is
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  Speaker 3: they go to separate sides of the battlefield. That's not
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  Speaker 3: unlike what happens, guys, to us relationally. We just end
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  Speaker 3: up on opposite sides. And so for me, that's probably
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  Speaker 3: one of the most powerful scenes Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Because I actually saw myself.
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  Speaker 3: In Jeremiah and I was like, oh, I could totally
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  Speaker 3: have done that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that could have been me.
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  Speaker 1: And it's so real. You know, I'm an only child,
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  Speaker 1: so it's hard. I cannot imagine this, but anyone with
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  Speaker 1: a sibling is right there with you. It's like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that could be me.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely. And I think that we do it as we,
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  Speaker 2: we do it in the workplace. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: We find people's vulnerabilities. Like what, who does what we do?
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  Speaker 1: And then we poke holes at that. All right.
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  Speaker 3: And we find their vulnerability and we get the result
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  Speaker 3: that we want, depending on how we twist the knife.
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  Speaker 3: And sometimes that knife is without words.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, that is very, I want to say it's
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  Speaker 1: very big of you to admit and to tell us
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  Speaker 1: as podcast listeners that that resonates with us. So thank
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  Speaker 1: you so much for sharing that. I was listening to
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  Speaker 1: you and Courtney on a podcast and they had asked
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  Speaker 1: like what they would put on the spouses, you know,
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  Speaker 1: on the epitaph. And she had said, everything is figureoutable
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  Speaker 1: for you, that you're like a constant river, that you
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  Speaker 1: are calm and you figure things out. So you're so
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  Speaker 1: valuable in your family that you figure things out. And
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: really what you've shared about forgiveness, about the power of music,
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  Speaker 1: about giving God what we have, patching things up with
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  Speaker 1: our siblings, with those that we're having, you know, different
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  Speaker 1: ideals with. These are really, really important messages for the
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  Speaker 1: happy home to have a happy home. So thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Is there anything else that you want to mention? And
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  Speaker 1: then tell us, obviously, go to the theater and go
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  Speaker 1: see Drummer Boy, like schedule it right now. Look for
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  Speaker 1: the next few days and schedule it.
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  Speaker 3: One of the best things that you can do for
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: us is actually is to purchase a ticket in advance. Obviously,
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: the film comes out November 6th. November 6th, 7th, or
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: 8th are really, really key days for the films. But,
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: you know, go to the film and I hope you
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: enjoy it. If you go to, just to help you
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  Speaker 3: slash drummer boy, and you purchase a ticket, and you
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  Speaker 3: use the keyword gift, you'll actually get a buy one
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  Speaker 3: get one. And so you can actually get a free ticket.
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  Speaker 3: So whether or not you want to buy one, get
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  Speaker 3: one for someone you love, or you want to give
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  Speaker 3: it away, whatever it might be, but that is.
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  Speaker 2: The best place to go.
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  Speaker 3: So angel.com forward slash drummer boy keyword gift, and you
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  Speaker 3: can do a buy one get one that's just for
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  Speaker 3: opening weekend. So you Hopefully you guys can get out there,
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  Speaker 3: enjoy it, and have what we're calling the.
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  Speaker 2: First Christmas, the first gift of Christmas, as they say
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  Speaker 2: in Polar Express. And maybe that can be going to
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  Speaker 2: Drummer Boy.
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  Speaker 1: I love it so much. We're going to have those
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  Speaker 1: links in the show notes. Thank you so much, Luke,
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  Speaker 1: for your time, your heart, and this amazing movie, Drummer Boy.
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  Speaker 1: You're going to love it. Thanks so much.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, thank you. Appreciate it.
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