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"If everything is ube, then nothing is ube" - A Conversation with Top Chef Winner, Rhoda Magbitang

We are joined by Chef Rhoda Magbitang, the winner of Top Chef 23, who wowed the judges with her soulful, refined renditions of lugaw, tortang talong and kaldereta in the competition's finale. Together we explore everything from the special vicissitudes of merienda, to why "dessert" as a concept "hits different" in Filipino eating.

We also collaborate on a thesis that Filipino food is actually about restraint, not maximalism. Plus, we get some insight into what it takes to tap into one's food memories as a contestant on Top Chef, while going one more round on how ube cannot be a stand-in for…

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