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Should U.S. forces take Kharg Island? · The Hugh Hewitt Show: Highly Concentrated

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Speaker 1: night to Trey Yanks, carg Island is very much on
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Speaker 1: the menu, but he won't say if it's going to happen.
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Speaker 1: Talk about that and anything else in the Aaron Moore, Congressman,
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Speaker 1: Pat Harrigan, special Forces veteran Green Beerray, Congressman for North
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Speaker 1: Carolina's first district. Congressmen, welcome back. What do you think
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Speaker 1: about the carg Island option?
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Speaker 2: Hey, Hugh, It's always great to be with you. Look,
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Speaker 2: I think that all options need to be on the
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Speaker 2: table with Iran, with the exception of American boots on
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Speaker 2: the ground. I think that that is just not something
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Speaker 2: that the American people are willing to saddle up for.
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Speaker 2: But I think we still have a lot of options
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Speaker 2: and a lot of flexibility besides that to get this
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Speaker 2: outcome back on track. The President has been working so
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Speaker 2: hard to achieve, so I hope that that's not specifically
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Speaker 2: on the table.
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Speaker 3: I think you and I have talked before.
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Speaker 2: You know, there's a difference between rescuing a down pilot
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Speaker 2: or taking very specific special operations action on the ground
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Speaker 2: to effectuate certain things.
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Speaker 3: But seizing and.
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Speaker 2: Holding ground in Iran, I don't think that's something that
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Speaker 2: my voters are ready to say yes to.
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Speaker 1: Well, Congressman is taking an island that's I guess ten
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Speaker 1: miles off the coast, the same as boots on the ground,
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Speaker 1: and that's a very discreete operation. They'd have to do
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Speaker 1: a channel crossing to get any kind of offense, which
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Speaker 1: I don't think if you don't control the air, that's
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Speaker 1: not going to work very well.
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Speaker 2: Is that the same thing, Yes, I think it is
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Speaker 2: the same thing, primarily because surrounding carg Island, even though
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Speaker 2: it is miles off to the Iranian coastline, are heights,
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Speaker 2: and from those heights, Iran has the ability to launch
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Speaker 2: down all sorts of bad.
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Speaker 3: Things on whoever ends up being on that island.
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Speaker 2: I think certainly the President has even said I think
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Speaker 2: you showed on your show that they still have some
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Speaker 2: fight left in them.
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Speaker 3: They absolutely do.
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Speaker 2: I mean, we can't hit things that are buried well
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Speaker 2: within you know, the ground, their mountains, that's.
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Speaker 3: Sort of a thing.
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Speaker 2: And so they still have a capability to reach out
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Speaker 2: and touch Americans. We certainly have air superiority, We have
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Speaker 2: a ton of flexibility.
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Speaker 3: We are able to do some incredible things over Iran
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Speaker 3: right now.
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Speaker 2: But I think that the carg Island option, with all
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Speaker 2: the other options that are on the table to try
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Speaker 2: to put Iran in the box that we need him
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Speaker 2: to make better decisions. You know, the President's going to
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Speaker 2: make his choice.
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Speaker 3: But at the end of the.
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Speaker 2: Day, again, I just don't think the American people are
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Speaker 2: ready for that.
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Speaker 1: Option all right now. Some of the other things he
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Speaker 1: talked about with I'll get to Pickax Mountain in a second,
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Speaker 1: But what he talked about with Cray Yanks last night,
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Speaker 1: we're bridges and power plants. I want to make clear
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Speaker 1: to the audience. We know the law war. You know
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Speaker 1: the law war. They have to shave a duel, a purpose,
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Speaker 1: or they're not legitimate targets. They've got to serve the
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Speaker 1: IRGC or the ARTASH or they're not a legitimate target.
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Speaker 1: But I'm quite certain there are a bunch of power
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Speaker 1: plants in Tehran that power of the iergc's command and
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Speaker 1: control center. So would you like to see that before
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Speaker 1: anything on the island happened.
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Speaker 3: I wanted to see that a long time ago.
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Speaker 2: I just I'm so so frustrated, Hugh, that we're actually
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Speaker 2: in this position, because look, like I said.
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Speaker 3: We've got to put Iran in a box. What does
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Speaker 3: that mean?
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Speaker 2: We have to set the conditions where Iran has only
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Speaker 2: two choices. The first is to continue to pursue red
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Speaker 2: lines that are not tolerable to the United States in
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Speaker 2: the West or with their limited resources, they need to
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Speaker 2: take care of the ninety two million people in Iran
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Speaker 2: who are not part of the IRGC that want to
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Speaker 2: have some semblance of economic opportunity and quality of life.
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Speaker 2: We have not set the conditions for that to happen
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Speaker 2: in Iran, which is why we are dealing with the
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Speaker 2: problems that we have right here today, just like we
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Speaker 2: had on day one.
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Speaker 3: We need much better target selection, and.
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Speaker 2: That means that we have to go after their critical
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Speaker 2: infrastructure and we have to turn Iran into Afghanistan if
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Speaker 2: we are going to continue this war without it becoming
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Speaker 2: a forever war.
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Speaker 3: We have to put them in the box or we
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Speaker 3: have to leave. Those are the two options.
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Speaker 1: So now to Pickax Mountain. The reason I was focused
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Speaker 1: in on that is because every expert I listened to,
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Speaker 1: David Albright, Mark Dubowitch, Richard Goldberg, they all tell it
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Speaker 1: that's the place where the doomsday machine might be being created.
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Speaker 1: What do we do about that? Do you think our
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Speaker 1: penetrators can shake that to its core?
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Speaker 2: We have lots of options to deal with that from
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Speaker 2: the air, And yes, I think that what we did
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Speaker 2: in Midnight Night Hammer, what we did during the first
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Speaker 2: couple weeks of this latest Iranian conflict, I think absolutely
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Speaker 2: deals with the nuclear problem. And we can continue to
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Speaker 2: have persistent surveillance for those sites, and we can hit
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Speaker 2: them at will if they.
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Speaker 3: Show any type of activity.
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Speaker 2: And so I think we've got lots of options on
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Speaker 2: the table to deal with this and keep Iran from
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Speaker 2: becoming a nuclear Iran, which is one thing that everybody
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Speaker 2: agrees about, even if they don't like this war. We
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Speaker 2: have to keep Iran from getting a nuclear weapon.
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Speaker 1: Let's turn now, Congressman Harrigan to the National Defense Authorization
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Speaker 1: Act typically the most bipartisan bill. It always passes, maybe
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Speaker 1: a little bit late some year, but it always passes.
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Speaker 1: It's stuck in the Senate. Are you surprised by this
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Speaker 1: what's happening in the House.
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Speaker 2: I'm not surprised that this at this juncture. The NBAA
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Speaker 2: usually comes through in November December timeframe, although that's way
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Speaker 2: later than we want it to be. What is really
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Speaker 2: particularly concerning for me, though, is the appropriation side of
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Speaker 2: the House, not the authorization side, but the appropriation side.
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Speaker 2: Because the President has indicated, and I think everybody understands,
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Speaker 2: the world is a very dangerous place right now.
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Speaker 3: We're caught in a conflict.
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Speaker 2: We simultaneously are mid stride of a transition from old,
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Speaker 2: very exquisite, very expensive technologies to these new, less expensive,
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Speaker 2: yet very capable and scalable technologies.
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Speaker 3: We have to be able to make.
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Speaker 2: Those historic investments inside of our military to truly achieve
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Speaker 2: President Trump's vision of rebuilding our military. But I see
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Speaker 2: a lot of headwinds in Congress right now and impediments
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Speaker 2: to that happening. We have to make sure that our
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Speaker 2: Democratic colleagues are not playing politics to try to shape
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Speaker 2: the election in November, which I am actually very worried
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Speaker 2: that they are trying to do on the backs of
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Speaker 2: the defense bill and our troops.
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Speaker 3: That is Unamerican.
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Speaker 2: We all need to come together right now and we
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Speaker 2: need to get defense funded so that.
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Speaker 3: We do not have a defense disaster.
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Speaker 1: Is there going to be a reconciliation three point zero,
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Speaker 1: Congressman Eragan that folks exclusively or nearly exclusively on defense finding, boy.
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what that is. Exactly what our leadership wants.
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Speaker 2: I know that's what President Trump wants, and I hope
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Speaker 2: that that happens because we need that very badly. Certainly,
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Speaker 2: we aren't having something our Democratic colleagues vote for the
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Speaker 2: supplemental to resupply the munitions that we've depleted in the
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Speaker 2: Iranian conflict, because they can't seem to find the courage
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Speaker 2: to do that, even though our military needs it. Their
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Speaker 2: base cannot extract that vote from their support of the
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Speaker 2: Iranian conflict.
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Speaker 3: And they are unwilling to do that.
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Speaker 2: So we are now having to shift the supplemental to
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Speaker 2: reconciliation to actually just resupply what we have expended and
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Speaker 2: allow the United States to address other contingencies that might
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Speaker 2: not be our choice around the world that we have
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Speaker 2: to be prepared for. But heugh all be honest with you,
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Speaker 2: I don't see the math in the Senate for this
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Speaker 2: to happen. So I think we are entering a very
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Speaker 2: very dangerous time for defense. Certainly all of us in
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Speaker 2: the House are going to put forward every effort.
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Speaker 3: To get this across the finish line.
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Speaker 2: I'm going to be one hundred percent supportive of leadership here,
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Speaker 2: but I don't know that we have the numbers to
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Speaker 2: get to an outcome. And math is very hard in
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Speaker 2: the United States Senate right now, and that could be
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Speaker 2: very problematic for defense.
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Speaker 1: If the House Busure Committee passes a reconciliation, I think
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Speaker 1: you'll find fifty votes. You might lose. Sennry McConnell might
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Speaker 1: not be back from the hospital, But I would think
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Speaker 1: of the fifty two Republican votes that are left, you
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Speaker 1: could lose too, and so have the Vice President vote
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Speaker 1: for it. So I think I reconcilate what should the
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Speaker 1: number be, though Congressman Harrigan they have they got a
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Speaker 1: ballpark for reconciliation three point zero, because I'd go for
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Speaker 1: as much as you could get.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no question about that.
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Speaker 2: I think that the House Arms Service Chair put out
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Speaker 2: yesterday that it's in line with the supplemental, which is
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Speaker 2: right around seventy billion dollars for defense. Now, again that
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Speaker 2: turns reconciliation, which should be forward looking dollars into rearward
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Speaker 2: looking dollars. That doesn't actually move the ball forward further.
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Speaker 3: But the problem here.
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Speaker 2: Is is that Number one, you've got to get it
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Speaker 2: past the moderates in the House who are looking at
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Speaker 2: either no offsets or offsets that are going to be
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Speaker 2: very difficult for them to swallow with an election coming on.
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Speaker 2: And if you get it past the House, you still
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Speaker 2: have again a math problem in the Senate with onesie
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Speaker 2: two Z votes of people that just fundamentally aren't going
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Speaker 2: to support the president because they're not running for reelection.
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Speaker 2: They're turning out and they've got personal beefs with him
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Speaker 2: and him with them. And you've got some senators that
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Speaker 2: are up for reelection with votes that would be very tough.
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Speaker 3: For them to take.
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Speaker 2: And so look, I think it's plain and simple we
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Speaker 2: have to fund defense, but every single member has to
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Speaker 2: see it that way. We have to work together as
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Speaker 2: a team. If we can do that, we can get
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Speaker 2: it across the finish line. I just don't have full
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Speaker 2: confidence that that can happen, Hugh. And that's the most
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Speaker 2: honest answer I can give you.
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Speaker 1: Congressman Pat. That's why I like having you on. You
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Speaker 1: always speak to your mind, tells what exactly is happening.
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Speaker 1: I hope you can go work with your colleagues on
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Speaker 1: the House floor to get that supplemental through and to
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Speaker 1: the reconciliation process, then double it, because I actually don't
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Speaker 1: think if the Democrats take either of the houses, either
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Speaker 1: the House of Representative of the Senate, we won't get
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Speaker 1: defense spending. We'll have another sequestration will be a disaster
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Speaker 1: because they're fundamentally anti defense. Pat Rarogan, good to see you,
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Speaker 1: North Carolina First District. Thank your friend. I'll be right
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Speaker 1: back with noa rockman, America take it.
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Speaker 4: Honestly, if we left right now, it would take them
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Speaker 4: twenty years to rebuild what they have. The only way
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Speaker 4: you can negotiate with these people to see strength, and
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Speaker 4: the only strength is military strength.
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Speaker 3: And that's what we've done.
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Speaker 4: And I mean literally two days ago we had a
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Speaker 4: deal and then they broke it at the last moment.
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Speaker 1: They broke it well Welcome back to America. I'm Hugh Hewittt.
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Speaker 1: I'm joined by Noah Rockman, senior writer for National Review.
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Speaker 1: Noah the President was on with Trey Yinks last night
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Speaker 1: at length talking about you know, we got the only way,
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Speaker 1: the only thing they understand, its force, What do you
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Speaker 1: make of it?
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Speaker 5: I think it's about time that he came to that revelation.
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Speaker 5: We lost a lot of ground over the course of
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Speaker 5: the ceasefire and the MoU, and I'm glad that we
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Speaker 5: didn't allow it to go the full sixty days. You
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Speaker 5: know that in the slink away scenario where Donald Trump,
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Speaker 5: you know, just walks away from this war, declares victory
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Speaker 5: and detreat and retreats, he allows the MoU to persist,
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Speaker 5: extends it beyond the sixty day deadline, almost indefinitely.
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Speaker 3: And he didn't do that. He deserves credit for it.
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Speaker 5: And you know, you can envision a scenario in which
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Speaker 5: the Iranians say, as they did, that we had some
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Speaker 5: rogue IRGC commanders on our hands here and they're responsible
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Speaker 5: for these attacks on ships, not us. Don't stop the
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Speaker 5: negotiations and we didn't fall for it. Good for us,
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Speaker 5: still better, we've executed hundreds of sorties over the last
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Speaker 5: five days. We're executing daylight raids, which suggests we still
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Speaker 5: have high altitude air superiority even after three months of
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Speaker 5: a pause, and energy markets have not responded as they
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Speaker 5: did at the outset of this war. In February, Brent
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Speaker 5: crude jumped a bit, and it's going to continue to rise,
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Speaker 5: but it didn't rise to apocalyptic levels, which is Donald
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Speaker 5: Trump's pain threshold. He already demonstrated that his pain threshold
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Speaker 5: is around one hundred and ten dollars per barrel of
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Speaker 5: crude at Brent crude, and when we get there, things
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Speaker 5: start getting dicey. But we're not there yet, so all good,
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Speaker 5: all good. At the same time, I'm with Jonathan Chanzer
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Speaker 5: on this. I think we've stumbled into the right strategy.
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Speaker 5: But it's the strategy that will take a long time
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Speaker 5: to execute and to bear It will bear fruit months
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Speaker 5: from now, not days from now, now weeks from now.
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Speaker 5: And the President in his interview with Trey Ginst did
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Speaker 5: indicate that he wants this thing to be over pretty quickly,
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Speaker 5: and he's talking about, you know, bridges and power plants day,
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Speaker 5: which he was talking about during the high tempo combat
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Speaker 5: phase he was talking about it during the ceasefire. It's
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Speaker 5: not a threat that I think holds a lot of
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Speaker 5: weight because he's issued it so many times, and if
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Speaker 5: he's looking for a quick fix of this thing, I
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Speaker 5: just think he's going to find that there is none.
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Speaker 5: That this is going to be a long sustained campaign,
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Speaker 5: and he should prepare the American people for it.
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Speaker 1: Its analogue is the Balkan War, not the Libyan War,
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Speaker 1: but the Balkan War, where in fact, I think it
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Speaker 1: was seventy eight days of consecutive bombing. Then we stopped
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Speaker 1: and Melosovich collapsed three months later. But before we do it,
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Speaker 1: there's a target list, Noah. One of those targets is
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Speaker 1: Pickax Mountain. I spent most of my time with the
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Speaker 1: President on Monday talking about pick tax Mountain because it
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Speaker 1: mystifies Rich Goldberg and Mark Dubowitz and Eli Lake and
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Speaker 1: David Albright, the smart guy's about nukes. It mystifies them.
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Speaker 1: We have not hit that. So what do you think
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Speaker 1: of that?
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Speaker 6: Yeah?
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Speaker 5: And I saw David Albright say that there's a misconception
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Speaker 5: out there that this is just beyond our power to reach,
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Speaker 5: that it is so thoroughly buried and it's so well
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Speaker 5: secured that even our most power orful penetrating ordinance couldn't
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Speaker 5: reach it.
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Speaker 3: And he said, that's not necessarily true. I don't know why.
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Speaker 5: It wasn't on our initial target list, either in Midnight
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Speaker 5: Hammer or Epic Theory, And perhaps that's because intelligence suggests
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Speaker 5: that they don't have the kind of cascading centrifuges that
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Speaker 5: we think they could have down there. It's capable to have,
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Speaker 5: not necessarily that it does have. This is pure speculation
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Speaker 5: on my part, but I am also of the view
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Speaker 5: that which is I think David Albright's view that because
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Speaker 5: we have such powerful surveillance over this country signals intelligence,
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Speaker 5: reconnaissance intelligence, as well as on the ground intelligence via
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Speaker 5: the israelis that it's so penetrated that if they were
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Speaker 5: to restart something like a program designed to develop a
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Speaker 5: ficial visionable.
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Speaker 3: Device, we would see it. We'd see it long before
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Speaker 3: it came to fruit. So I'm less concerned.
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Speaker 5: About neutralizing Pickaxe Mountain than I am about securing the Strait.
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Speaker 5: To me, that is just the final linchpin in this
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Speaker 5: campaign and establishes a very durable press the president that
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Speaker 5: was established after Midnight Hammer which is that no president
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Speaker 5: Republican or Democrat after this president will want to preside
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Speaker 5: over the nuclear breakout of the Iranian regime. Even if
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Speaker 5: there are critics of these operations, they'll nevertheless commit to
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Speaker 5: a lawnmowing campaign just to avoid being the guy who
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Speaker 5: lost the Iran War, to avoid being the person who
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Speaker 5: presided over Iran's nuclearization. If the strait persists in the
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Speaker 5: condition that it's in, that calculation changes, Democrats and Republicans
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Speaker 5: after this president will say, well, this really wasn't worth
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Speaker 5: the problems that I create for my predecessor and for myself.
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Speaker 3: I really think.
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Speaker 5: Once we get the straight back that we've completed every
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Speaker 5: objective of this campaign that's achievable.
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Speaker 1: That argument is working. The next rathe I'm concerned with
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Speaker 1: the thirty months between now and when President Trump laves office.
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Speaker 1: I also asked him do we have the capacity? He said,
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Speaker 1: we've wiped out the first string, the second string, and
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Speaker 1: had their third strings. So my question was do we
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Speaker 1: know can we find can we kill what's left of
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Speaker 1: the third string and the fourth string in the fifth
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Speaker 1: s tring? And he said yes, but I don't want
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Speaker 1: to talk about it a do you believe him, they
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Speaker 1: should we do it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I believe him. I do believe him.
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Speaker 5: I think that the Israelis, in particular, we're saying, you know,
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Speaker 5: we have locations on these people and we should take
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Speaker 5: action on that, and that the President was dissuaded against
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Speaker 5: that course. These we were in the midst of negotiations,
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Speaker 5: and I believe there were some folks in the President's
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Speaker 5: here saying, well, these are you know, these are being
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Speaker 5: these are productive talks, and we should allow them to
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Speaker 5: to reach to your ultimate conclusion. I'm glad that he
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Speaker 5: didn't follow that course indefinitely. It was not productive as
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Speaker 5: productive as some people said.
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Speaker 7: He should be.
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Speaker 5: So should he continue to execute these assassination campaigns, I
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Speaker 5: think at this stage it's warranted. I don't think that
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Speaker 5: we have many indications that the cast of characters we're
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Speaker 5: dealing with now either has the capacity to negotiate on
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Speaker 5: behalf of the Iranian regime as comprehensive organism, or that
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Speaker 5: they're willing to compromise in ways that would satisfy the president.
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Speaker 5: So yeah, the theory of this war was to get
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Speaker 5: down these layers and find somebody worth talking to.
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Speaker 1: I want to get to the Blood and Progress portion
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Speaker 1: of my segment, which is it will next be tested.
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Speaker 1: The theory of blood and Progress in your new book
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Speaker 1: will be tested in Michigan. I was on Fox and
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Speaker 1: Friends this morning talking about l SI Ed versus Haley Stevens.
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Speaker 1: What do you think is going to happen up there?
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Speaker 1: Because LSA Ed is definitely a Blood and Progress candidate.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, he is, and before two weeks ago, I would
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Speaker 5: have said that he's on a glide path to win
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Speaker 5: this nomination. There's been some recent polling that suggests Haley
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Speaker 5: Stevens is making a bit of a comeback. She's a
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Speaker 5: more establishmentarian candidate in this race by no means conservative,
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Speaker 5: but establishmentarian satisfies the shoot the Chuck Schumer wing of
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Speaker 5: this party.
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Speaker 3: So I don't know which direction this primary is going
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Speaker 3: to go.
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Speaker 5: Again, I would have said that the DSA takeover of
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Speaker 5: the Democratic Party was encountering no speed bumps until all
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Speaker 5: this grand Platiner thing happened, and then all of a
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Speaker 5: sudden we get what looks like some buyer's remorse on
18:06
Speaker 5: behalf of Republican primary voters. I'll wait until August fourth,
18:10
Speaker 5: which is Michigan's primary, to make a final determination there.
18:13
Speaker 5: But if this proves to be illusory, if that Miarage
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Speaker 5: and Elsa wins this primary, it demonstrates that the Democratic
18:20
Speaker 5: Party has succumbed to a level of radicalization that I
18:24
Speaker 5: never anticipated they would succumb to, and that they will
18:27
Speaker 5: almost certainly regret, whether it's this year or in twenty
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Speaker 5: twenty eight. The Islamicization of this party. We can't even
18:34
Speaker 5: call it a radicalization. It's not even socialism. It is
18:38
Speaker 5: a red Green alliance. It is radical. Islam has become
18:42
Speaker 5: a wedge issue in Michigan, shockingly enough, and it's one
18:45
Speaker 5: where it can go kind of either way. Regardless of
18:48
Speaker 5: how the Democratic Party resolves this conflict, it's going to
18:52
Speaker 5: haunt them. They spent the twenty twenty six primary season
18:55
Speaker 5: chin stroking and ruminating over the virtue of the Islamic
19:00
Speaker 5: indictment of the United States and Mila Kiros's words, the
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Speaker 5: Colorado woman who won the primary in Chicago's in Colorado's
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Speaker 5: first she says that we are articulates the logical some
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Speaker 5: have been laden articulating for nine to eleven.
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Speaker 3: Yep, I'm reconstructed.
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Speaker 1: That's a good word for it. I'm reconstructed. Red Green Alliance.
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Speaker 1: Nos c Rossman, author of Blood and Progress, senior writer
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Speaker 1: for National To thank you for joining me, stay tuned.
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Speaker 8: To the jew As.
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Speaker 1: Welcome back America. United States Senator Jim Talent, now retired
19:32
Speaker 1: from the United States Senate, a senior fellow with the
19:34
Speaker 1: Reagan Institute of Peter's Strength, he joins me every week, Senator,
19:39
Speaker 1: you watched the President talk to me on Monday, talk
19:41
Speaker 1: to Trey Yankst on Tuesday. Just got done with Edward
19:45
Speaker 1: Lawrence at Fox saying the same thing, as rhetoric is
19:48
Speaker 1: increasingly pointed towards Iran and we're hammering the heck out
19:52
Speaker 1: of him. What do you think as something worked from
19:54
Speaker 1: the President's mind? What do you think?
19:58
Speaker 6: Oh?
19:58
Speaker 8: I think this was so something he considered all along.
20:01
Speaker 9: You.
20:02
Speaker 10: I remember when we signed the MoU our friends and
20:06
Speaker 10: who have the same position we do regarding Iran. We're
20:09
Speaker 10: very concerned that we were going to give up all
20:12
Speaker 10: these assets, give all these things to the Iranians. Well
20:15
Speaker 10: what happened was the oil started moving, which is what
20:18
Speaker 10: the President wanted, and the Iranians got nothing. They got
20:22
Speaker 10: no unfrozen assets, they got no three hundred.
20:26
Speaker 8: Billion dollar rebuilding fund.
20:28
Speaker 10: And they couldn't sell their oil anybody but the Chinese, who,
20:31
Speaker 10: by the way, have now decided since the sanctions have
20:34
Speaker 10: been reasserted that even their teapot refineries don't want them.
20:38
Speaker 10: And so that's why the Iranians attacked again. They've played
20:41
Speaker 10: the only card they got and so now we are
20:45
Speaker 10: punishing them. And it would not surprise me at all
20:48
Speaker 10: if we don't see some serious outreach from the Iranians
20:52
Speaker 10: in the next week or two that they want negotiations.
20:55
Speaker 8: If this oil.
20:56
Speaker 10: Keeps moving and Sentcom says they are prepared and postured
21:00
Speaker 10: to keep it moving, then I think the Iranians are
21:03
Speaker 10: going to have to seek some kind of a settlement
21:06
Speaker 10: that enables them to get out from under this situation.
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Speaker 1: Senator, the first thing I want to see on any
21:13
Speaker 1: m OU two point zero is access for the IAEA
21:16
Speaker 1: to Pickax Mountain. I talked about it with the President,
21:20
Speaker 1: talked about it with Trey Yanks, He's talked about it again,
21:22
Speaker 1: and so it's on the map now and it's very
21:25
Speaker 1: easy to say, go take a look, IAEA. Have two
21:29
Speaker 1: days down there, We'll have He's fire all around. Shouldn't
21:32
Speaker 1: we have a step by step m ou. If we
21:34
Speaker 1: go back to m OU two.
21:38
Speaker 10: Yeah, if they're prepared to go far enough to actually
21:41
Speaker 10: give up this enriched uranium, that I guess they've got.
21:47
Speaker 10: The kind of deal that I'm thinking about, though, is
21:49
Speaker 10: one where they basically just agree to allow international traffic
21:55
Speaker 10: through the strait. They really do stop threatening it, and
22:00
Speaker 10: they don't get anything for that.
22:01
Speaker 8: In other words, they throw in the towel on that.
22:04
Speaker 10: I think the President would probably agree to that because
22:08
Speaker 10: you and I know we want the rest of the
22:12
Speaker 10: enriched uranium. This nuclear program, in my opinion, is effectively dead.
22:17
Speaker 10: I think the reason the President's pushing so hard to
22:20
Speaker 10: get the enriched uranium and to shut it down entirely
22:23
Speaker 10: is he's concerned about what may happen when he leaves office.
22:27
Speaker 10: He wants to take care of it fully, finally, absolutely,
22:30
Speaker 10: because he's concerned about what his successors may do. But
22:34
Speaker 10: as for me, I mean, I'm not saying it's not
22:36
Speaker 10: a risk, but it's so much less compared to where
22:40
Speaker 10: we were before Operation Midnight Hammer in the last six months,
22:44
Speaker 10: I'm not that worried about it myself.
22:46
Speaker 1: All right now, I want I don't want ten things
22:50
Speaker 1: that are as confusing as MoU two was, I don't
22:53
Speaker 1: want a lot of I just want you. Maybe yours
22:56
Speaker 1: a step one, stop shooting at ships for two weeks,
23:00
Speaker 1: will stop bombing you after that. That's a pretty simple proposition, right,
23:04
Speaker 1: you stop shooting at ships. Yeah we'll stop bombing, but
23:07
Speaker 1: for two weeks, we're going to blow up a few things.
23:10
Speaker 1: And here's our list. Do you think the leaders that
23:13
Speaker 1: he told me, we know where they are, we can
23:15
Speaker 1: get them. Should we go get the third string?
23:20
Speaker 8: That would be a great way to pressure them.
23:22
Speaker 10: And I would be surprised if there are not factions
23:26
Speaker 10: within the Iranian leadership that would be prepared to agree to.
23:29
Speaker 8: Something like that.
23:30
Speaker 10: I mean, they're under such an enormous pressure now they
23:34
Speaker 10: have to start focusing on regime survival. Iranian power has
23:39
Speaker 10: been broken, their strategy has been shattered. They're completely isolated.
23:44
Speaker 10: Their Gulf state neighbors are now shooting at them. And
23:47
Speaker 10: there's a point where where even the hardliners are going
23:51
Speaker 10: to say, you know what, we need to drink a
23:53
Speaker 10: little bit more of the poison chalice now and go
23:57
Speaker 10: back and hide and buy for a while, focus on
24:00
Speaker 10: trying to get some streams of revenue, keep the regime
24:03
Speaker 10: in power, and then outweigh Donald Trump.
24:07
Speaker 1: Yeah the dog that to me, yeah, the dog that
24:11
Speaker 1: hasn't parked. They did not shoot at Israel. What's that
24:14
Speaker 1: tell you?
24:17
Speaker 10: They knew what was going to happen if they shot
24:19
Speaker 10: at Israel, and they've seen what's happened now when they
24:22
Speaker 10: shot at us. And to me, the thing I'm watching
24:26
Speaker 10: now you is the price of oil. It's gone up
24:28
Speaker 10: a little bit, but if it stays between seventy and
24:31
Speaker 10: eighty dollars a barrel, then effectively their ability to threaten
24:36
Speaker 10: the strait is gone. And as far as I can
24:40
Speaker 10: see you, that's the last thing they've got left. They
24:43
Speaker 10: got no missiles to speak of, no drones, no navy
24:47
Speaker 10: they get their proxies are either destroyed or under tremendous
24:52
Speaker 10: pressure from Israel.
24:53
Speaker 8: And of course they have no real new program left.
24:57
Speaker 10: So the one thing they had was the ability to
25:01
Speaker 10: threaten the strained, because it doesn't take much power.
25:03
Speaker 3: To do that.
25:03
Speaker 8: The who this can threaten coastal shipping.
25:06
Speaker 9: You.
25:07
Speaker 10: So if we're if we force them to back down
25:10
Speaker 10: from that, then what we have done is destroyed their capability,
25:14
Speaker 10: which you know, I'll remind everybody listening. That was the
25:17
Speaker 10: object of the mission to destroy their capabilities to aggress
25:21
Speaker 10: against their neighbors and against US.
25:24
Speaker 1: Jim, did you notice that Ukraine last night sunk a
25:27
Speaker 1: boat right off the coast of putin Is Villa in
25:31
Speaker 1: the Sea of Azov using sea based cruise missiles. I
25:35
Speaker 1: still worry that Ron's going to get something that we
25:37
Speaker 1: don't know about, and they're going to get a lucky
25:40
Speaker 1: shot the Sheffield off.
25:43
Speaker 8: Yeah.
25:43
Speaker 10: I mean, look, you can never eliminate the risk entirely,
25:48
Speaker 10: and if as long as the regime stays in power
25:51
Speaker 10: and has not done in Venezuela, we're going to have
25:55
Speaker 10: to keep managing the situation. But basically, I think the
25:58
Speaker 10: plan going forward view is that the military power in
26:04
Speaker 10: the region going to be supplied mostly by Israel. I
26:07
Speaker 10: think that's what the President has in mind. In other words,
26:11
Speaker 10: there'll be a new balance of power in the Middle East.
26:15
Speaker 10: It'll be run by the United States will be the
26:17
Speaker 10: leader Israel, the Gulf States, Egypt, Jordan, et cetera. We
26:22
Speaker 10: will be stitching together economic partnerships among those countries, and
26:26
Speaker 10: to the extent military power is needed, the Israelis will
26:30
Speaker 10: be largely providing it. And that is a recipe for
26:34
Speaker 10: an equilibrium in the Middle East which would permit us
26:37
Speaker 10: to draw our forces down there.
26:39
Speaker 8: I think that's what the President has in.
26:41
Speaker 1: Mind, and maybe a collapse of the regime in a
26:44
Speaker 1: few months as Melosovich went down after the bombing. I
26:47
Speaker 1: think it was a few months after the bombing stop
26:49
Speaker 1: that Melosevich felt, Am I correct?
26:51
Speaker 8: Then they fell?
26:52
Speaker 10: Yeah, And look, I think the collapse of the regime
26:55
Speaker 10: is inevitable.
26:56
Speaker 8: I just don't know how imminent it is.
26:59
Speaker 1: Well said, is all. Jim Talent, Thank you, Senator, follow
27:02
Speaker 1: him on x at. Jim Talent, happy to welcome back.
27:06
Speaker 1: We're Admiral Mark Montgomery, retired United States Navy joined us
27:09
Speaker 1: from Kiev, Ukraine tonight. Admiral, thank you for staying up late.
27:13
Speaker 1: What did Ukraine do in the Cea of Azov yesterday?
27:17
Speaker 11: You know they're continuing to impose costs on the on
27:21
Speaker 11: the Russians. You know they've been doing mid range strike
27:24
Speaker 11: against logistics systems of trucks, cars of fuelers trying to
27:30
Speaker 11: get from through their language to Crimea.
27:34
Speaker 6: That mid range strikes going great.
27:35
Speaker 11: They've been doing long range strike on the fossil fuel
27:39
Speaker 11: production refining delivery, and now they've expanded that to include
27:44
Speaker 11: the fossil fuel distribution going on through the Sea of Azov,
27:47
Speaker 11: you know, moving around trying to avoid being a pinned
27:51
Speaker 11: land target. So look, this is the natural extension of
27:56
Speaker 11: the development of Ukraine's domestic drone into street their ability
28:01
Speaker 11: to target at deeper and deeper ranges inside Russia, and
28:05
Speaker 11: Russia's inability to conduct air defense.
28:08
Speaker 6: Over all of Russia at all times.
28:11
Speaker 1: So I add, well, do we have to start worrying
28:14
Speaker 1: fast about our adversaries obtaining the technology that Ukraine is
28:20
Speaker 1: using the devastating effect to the navy, scene and air
28:25
Speaker 1: forces of Russia.
28:27
Speaker 11: So I think our ground forces do, and I think
28:31
Speaker 11: we've seeing that in the Middle East, where a fairly inexpensive,
28:37
Speaker 11: easy to reasonably easy to shoot.
28:39
Speaker 6: Down Shahed drone has rend.
28:43
Speaker 11: Tavoc on our Arab allies and on some of our bases,
28:46
Speaker 11: particularly the ones on the east. We have very good
28:50
Speaker 11: air and maritime air defense, and it translates into pretty
28:55
Speaker 11: good air maritime drone defense, which is to say, our aircraft,
28:59
Speaker 11: if they can get behind the drone swarm, can.
29:01
Speaker 6: Have tried it away.
29:03
Speaker 11: But the problem is you've got to get behind it,
29:04
Speaker 11: and what we're seeing the Middle East to these short
29:06
Speaker 11: range shots you know, from Iran and the Bahrain, Qatar,
29:11
Speaker 11: UAE Kuwait and Prince Sultan a base in Saudi Arabia
29:18
Speaker 11: where we can't get behind them to shoot them down
29:20
Speaker 11: with our rocket systems on the planes in time. And therefore,
29:24
Speaker 11: and we don't have a ground based drone interceptor program
29:28
Speaker 11: like Russia doesn't have one.
29:29
Speaker 6: The one country that have, by the way, is Ukraine.
29:31
Speaker 6: I was out there the other day.
29:33
Speaker 11: I saw about eight or nine ground based interceptor operations.
29:36
Speaker 11: They have twenty three different varieties of ground based interceptors,
29:40
Speaker 11: one of which, by the way, made by an American company,
29:43
Speaker 11: Eric Schmidt's team, the mir OPS, is really among the
29:46
Speaker 11: very best.
29:48
Speaker 1: When we talk about the development in warfare. I noticed
29:52
Speaker 1: Saronic three of their coursairs went into and took out
29:57
Speaker 1: navy resources and a submarine and a sub pen andy Iran.
30:01
Speaker 1: Is that the future of the navy? Did we just
30:03
Speaker 1: see that? Nobody noticed?
30:04
Speaker 11: So I've been watching it for two years here in Ukraine,
30:07
Speaker 11: and you're correct. I thought no one was noticing. Got
30:10
Speaker 11: to give the Navy credit. They moved forward faster with
30:12
Speaker 11: Saronic then we knew. Remember Saronic did a rescue of
30:16
Speaker 11: a couple helicopter down helicopter air crewmen about a month ago,
30:22
Speaker 11: and now Saronic has done strikes, these unmanned surface vessel strikes.
30:28
Speaker 6: Now, as you remember, the Ukrainians.
30:30
Speaker 11: Have been doing this for about two years in the
30:33
Speaker 11: Black Sea, just hammering the Russian fleet, driving the back
30:37
Speaker 11: deeper deeper into.
30:38
Speaker 6: The Sea of Azov and other areas far away.
30:41
Speaker 11: And in fact, yet two days ago they beat they
30:44
Speaker 11: had an unmanned surface vessel of the Ukrainians beach deep
30:48
Speaker 11: behind enemy lines, off rolled a ground unmanned vehicle with
30:53
Speaker 11: a fifty caliber gun on it, came in behind Russian
30:55
Speaker 11: positions and killed shot him. And then they observed it
30:59
Speaker 11: with an unmanned aerial vehicle, as you know, is a
31:02
Speaker 11: top cover.
31:03
Speaker 6: So you had.
31:04
Speaker 11: Ground air and maritime, a joint unmanned vehicle fest and
31:09
Speaker 11: one thing. So yes, this is this is a change,
31:12
Speaker 11: particularly in latoral warfare. I'm not sure this changes, you know,
31:16
Speaker 11: the fight out around the second island chain to the
31:18
Speaker 11: same degree, but it definitely changes the fight in the littoral.
31:23
Speaker 6: You know, as we see in the navy inside the
31:24
Speaker 6: first island chain.
31:26
Speaker 1: All right, and well let's get your take on what
31:28
Speaker 1: is happening in Iran in real time. I talked to
31:30
Speaker 1: the President on the show on Monday. He's concerned about
31:33
Speaker 1: Pickaxe Mountain. He knows about it. I think he's finally
31:36
Speaker 1: got on the target list. We're talking about a being
31:38
Speaker 1: on the target list, and it looks like five days
31:41
Speaker 1: in a row we've been hammering them. How do you
31:43
Speaker 1: assess what's going on there?
31:45
Speaker 11: Look, we're applying a lot of combat power to Iran's
31:50
Speaker 11: ability to impact the straight over moves. In other words,
31:53
Speaker 11: the area from vander O Bas to Boushir, you know,
31:55
Speaker 11: fifty to seventy kilometers deep inside Iran. We're hitting there
31:59
Speaker 11: to hit draw launch sites, small boat launch sites, missile
32:02
Speaker 11: launch sites. Have actually been some cruise missiles fired. We're
32:06
Speaker 11: trying to prevent the IRO audience will be able to
32:08
Speaker 11: impose their will. I think we're also hitting the small
32:10
Speaker 11: islands that around occupies in the Strait to kind of
32:14
Speaker 11: eliminate them as a base for weaponry. This is necessary,
32:18
Speaker 11: this is what you need to do if you're eventually
32:20
Speaker 11: going to say the Southern Transit scheme, the one closest
32:23
Speaker 11: to Oman is open for business, and we're going to
32:27
Speaker 11: have to really clear that, you know, it's clear back
32:29
Speaker 11: the brushes far, you know, and make it painful for
32:33
Speaker 11: anyone to stick their head up.
32:35
Speaker 6: And this is going to take several weeks.
32:37
Speaker 11: I think of probably more than one hundred and forty
32:40
Speaker 11: combat missions a day, two hundred and fifty three hundred
32:42
Speaker 11: combat misses a day by the Air Force and Navy
32:44
Speaker 11: against that target set.
32:47
Speaker 1: The President talked today in Pennsylvania about the power plants
32:51
Speaker 1: and bridges option, which he says is next week if
32:55
Speaker 1: they don't start talking to us. Seriously, He's tired of
33:00
Speaker 1: them saying a to our negotiating team and then coming
33:03
Speaker 1: out and saying not a. Do you think that that's
33:06
Speaker 1: going to actually transpire this time?
33:08
Speaker 11: So first I'll guarantee Iran continues to be you know,
33:13
Speaker 11: stubborn and unproductive negotiators. I have forty seven years of
33:17
Speaker 11: history on my side there. Okay, With that said, what
33:21
Speaker 11: I talked about was how you create the conditions for
33:23
Speaker 11: the flow, how you the create additions for them to
33:26
Speaker 11: come back to the operating the negotiating table as a
33:30
Speaker 11: full on blockade, which he's also put in place along
33:34
Speaker 11: with strikes that hurt his industrial base, the Iron's industrial base,
33:38
Speaker 11: and so I think he can legitimately hit many of
33:42
Speaker 11: the bridges. Many of the power plants in the country
33:45
Speaker 11: are legitimate military targets, and so I think he can
33:48
Speaker 11: hit those. Some bridges are not and some power plants
33:53
Speaker 11: are not. And I think our planners can tell the distinction.
33:57
Speaker 11: They'll pass that up through Admiral Cooper and General Kine,
33:59
Speaker 11: and the President will understand which ones are hitting which
34:01
Speaker 11: ones for By the way, I got to agree with
34:04
Speaker 11: something he said earlier, he should throw a few.
34:07
Speaker 6: Out.
34:09
Speaker 1: I hope did you say you do or you don't
34:11
Speaker 1: agree with that? Admiral you broke up a little bit.
34:15
Speaker 3: I said, do you agree.
34:16
Speaker 1: Or not agree that he should hit Pickaxe Mountain with
34:18
Speaker 1: some massive ordinance penetrators. I think, oh, you do.
34:23
Speaker 6: I agree.
34:25
Speaker 1: Last question, then, Admiral, in terms of what we're doing
34:28
Speaker 1: to our navy, Admiral Cooper's got to be a friend
34:31
Speaker 1: of yours. Here's just your colleagues. I'm sure from somewhere
34:34
Speaker 1: down the road. Are we putting too much of his
34:37
Speaker 1: stress on the United States Navy. They've been over there,
34:40
Speaker 1: the Lincoln's been there four months and the bush has
34:44
Speaker 1: been there one or two. Are we able to sustain
34:48
Speaker 1: this for a long period of time six months?
34:49
Speaker 6: Say we can.
34:52
Speaker 11: The implication what we have to worry about is what
34:55
Speaker 11: we did in twenty twelve and twenty thirteen when we
34:57
Speaker 11: let this kind of extended deployment for the Navy and
35:00
Speaker 11: air Force go on for eighteen months. It went on
35:03
Speaker 11: for eighteen months. The Navy warned the Department of Defense that, hey,
35:08
Speaker 11: in twenty you know, sometime in the future, we won't
35:10
Speaker 11: be able to deploy carries. And sure enough, in twenty seventeen,
35:13
Speaker 11: no aircraft carrier was able to deploy, and our aircraft
35:16
Speaker 11: fighter air force fighter readiness dropped from say sixty percent
35:19
Speaker 11: to thirty percent. So if you do this kind of
35:22
Speaker 11: sustained operation for a total about eighteen months, that means,
35:25
Speaker 11: you know, from February of twenty you know, twenty six
35:28
Speaker 11: to September twenty twenty seven, you're guaranteed to be in trouble.
35:32
Speaker 6: I would say the pain really starts around the month
35:34
Speaker 6: twelve with this.
35:36
Speaker 11: That's when you're doing cheat of backflips in terms of deployments,
35:40
Speaker 11: and you'll really impact Navy and air Force readiness but
35:43
Speaker 11: eighteen months is where guaranteed hard pain comes in.
35:47
Speaker 1: So we had a minute left, we have some flexibility.
35:51
Speaker 1: Then does that mean hit him as hard as you
35:53
Speaker 1: can for six months, because we're going to run out
35:57
Speaker 1: a runway after six months and we have to draw back,
35:59
Speaker 1: resupply and rest.
36:01
Speaker 6: Yeah.
36:02
Speaker 11: I would the best if you got the forces there,
36:05
Speaker 11: you use them. We have the ammunition for that. We
36:08
Speaker 11: have the short range you know, precision strike jadmrs. We
36:13
Speaker 11: have hundreds at that. We have you know, one hundreds
36:15
Speaker 11: of thousand of these kind of precision got ammunitions. We
36:18
Speaker 11: do have shortfalls in certain areas, but not in those.
36:21
Speaker 11: We can do this mission. We can keep doing this mission.
36:24
Speaker 11: We've suppressed the enemy air defense.
36:26
Speaker 6: We could do this. We can do the blockade.
36:28
Speaker 11: We can go seize the ships that got through a
36:30
Speaker 11: week ago though you know before the blockad was in.
36:32
Speaker 6: Give a little extra pain, seize those ships. Apply combat power.
36:38
Speaker 11: When it's available, don't keep it in reserve and then
36:43
Speaker 11: have to use it three six months later.
36:44
Speaker 6: I would use it now while you got it.
36:47
Speaker 1: Adam Mark Montgomery from Kiev, thank you for joining us, Matt.
36:51
Speaker 1: It's so illuminating on so many fronts. I appreciate it.
36:55
Speaker 1: We're admal Montgomery returning. I take Navy. Thank you call
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Speaker 1: them on exit. Marc se Montgomery and your fellow with
37:00
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Speaker 1: Welcome back, America. I'm to Hewett, joined by Mary Catherine Ham,
40:10
Speaker 1: host of the Getting Hammered podcast. Mary Catherine, I have
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Speaker 1: not yet listened to my Getting Hammered today, had dropped
40:16
Speaker 1: this morning, but I know you were talking about the buffalo. Now.
40:20
Speaker 1: I saw the buffalo once and I couldn't watch it again.
40:23
Speaker 1: Is the guy who got hammered by the buffalo alive?
40:27
Speaker 13: He's not only alive, he is injured, but he's doing
40:30
Speaker 13: well and apparently was in good spirits throughout. He seems
40:33
Speaker 13: like a real Western, tough grandpa type. And I theorized
40:38
Speaker 13: that the bison only went after him because he was
40:40
Speaker 13: jealous of his tremendous beard, which was about down to
40:44
Speaker 13: his middle button on his button down, or rather his overalls,
40:48
Speaker 13: which is what he was wearing in the video.
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Speaker 1: I thought maybe it was because the royalty check didn't
40:52
Speaker 1: clear from buffalo wild wings. I didn't. I thought that
40:56
Speaker 1: was the craziest thing. I thought buffaloes were Pacific, didn't you.
41:01
Speaker 13: No, I know that they're not, because I've been the
41:02
Speaker 13: Yellowstone a couple of times, and I have been in
41:05
Speaker 13: not in close quarters with one, but I've been on
41:06
Speaker 13: an isolated hike trail of a mountain with one before,
41:10
Speaker 13: and I was like, steer clear of that because they
41:12
Speaker 13: can get they can't get rowdy at times if you
41:14
Speaker 13: get too close. This guy wasn't doing anything wrong. He
41:16
Speaker 13: just happened to be at the wrong place at the
41:18
Speaker 13: wrong time with a very ornery bison.
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Speaker 1: Oh boy, did he get nailed once? Or just that
41:25
Speaker 1: one time that's on the video. I watched it once.
41:27
Speaker 1: I just couldn't watch it again.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, I think it was just the one time.
41:31
Speaker 13: And his telling of it is that he told his
41:33
Speaker 13: grandson heroically to run one direction and he ran the
41:36
Speaker 13: other so that he could hopefully bring the bison toward
41:39
Speaker 13: him instead.
41:39
Speaker 14: Of his grandson.
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Speaker 13: So hold with some selflessness and toughness, and he seems
41:45
Speaker 13: to be okay despite a few broken bones.
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Speaker 1: Hero Grandpa. I look forward to hearing you and Vic
41:50
Speaker 1: go through the specific Now. The next thing I learned
41:52
Speaker 1: from your show notes today, I missed that Sir sam
41:56
Speaker 1: Neil died the New Zealand at I missed it, entile.
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Speaker 1: Did he get any notice at all these Jurassic Park
42:03
Speaker 1: Man he did?
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Speaker 13: You might have just I don't know, you might have
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Speaker 13: just missed it on X But you should go look
42:08
Speaker 13: because everybody's paying great tributes in addition to Jurassic Park,
42:11
Speaker 13: of course, which is like probably the most well known,
42:13
Speaker 13: but that's causing people to bring up the other ones
42:16
Speaker 13: as well.
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Speaker 14: Event Horizon Hunt for Red October.
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Speaker 13: I really liked him in Peaky Blinders, where I love
42:23
Speaker 13: Sam Neil, always have, and his character in Peaky Blinders
42:25
Speaker 13: is so cold blooded and horrific that I was surprised
42:30
Speaker 13: how much I hated him.
42:30
Speaker 14: He's a great actor.
42:32
Speaker 1: Okay, now I've watched Peaky Blinders, every minute of it,
42:35
Speaker 1: and I can't remember Sam Neil in it. Who's the character?
42:39
Speaker 14: He was the police chief in that first.
42:43
Speaker 1: Oh oh, the guy that got nailed in the.
42:46
Speaker 7: Phone booth, the corrupt guy.
42:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, he got taken care of my aunt, whatever
42:51
Speaker 1: her name. But Polly and Polly did him. And that's
42:55
Speaker 1: a spoiler for anyone who hasn't watched Peaky Blinders.
42:57
Speaker 6: But that's watch out, guys, watch out.
43:00
Speaker 1: I won't do any more spoilers. And then he was
43:02
Speaker 1: in Thor. Who'd he play at Thor?
43:05
Speaker 3: Oh?
43:05
Speaker 14: I didn't know he was in Thor, but I like him.
43:08
Speaker 1: I liked him, I said, I like him a lot
43:10
Speaker 1: as well. All right, you also did the Senate scoreboard,
43:13
Speaker 1: and I'm always doing the Senate scoreboard. I was on
43:15
Speaker 1: Fox and Friends this morning talking about Michigan, So I
43:17
Speaker 1: want to start with the Michigan primary Doctor Abduahl say
43:21
Speaker 1: Ed is a go blue guy, right. He want to
43:23
Speaker 1: undergrad and he played on the lacrosse team. Then he
43:26
Speaker 1: went and got his MD from Columbia, and then he
43:28
Speaker 1: went back to Michigan got his PhD from the university's epidemiologists.
43:33
Speaker 1: There's some discussion about whether he's actually ever practiced medicine,
43:36
Speaker 1: but he's an epidemiologist with a PHDMD. I'm not going
43:40
Speaker 1: to argue credentials. And he is a lefty from the
43:43
Speaker 1: left of the left. Haley Stevens, though, is the most
43:46
Speaker 1: cringe video I've seen this year. So what's the take
43:50
Speaker 1: from Mary Catherine Hamlan.
43:53
Speaker 13: Yeah, I think, Look, I want to be regionally accepting
43:57
Speaker 13: and think that maybe the Michigan A she is employed,
44:00
Speaker 13: and that clip is less problematic for others than for
44:03
Speaker 13: my ear. But there's something about that energy that is
44:05
Speaker 13: very odd in that clip that is circulating, and she
44:08
Speaker 13: talks like that a lot. The funny thing is, if
44:10
Speaker 13: you look back at her twenty eighteen ads when she
44:12
Speaker 13: was first elected. She doesn't sound like that. She sounds
44:16
Speaker 13: much more subdued. She sounds much more normal now. Is
44:18
Speaker 13: this just a one off? Can she adjust?
44:21
Speaker 7: Maybe?
44:22
Speaker 13: But I think look, I think she faces an uphill
44:24
Speaker 13: battle here despite showing them a pretty close.
44:27
Speaker 14: In some polling. Man, the energy is really with the
44:30
Speaker 14: far left, and if you.
44:31
Speaker 13: Are not bringing an AAA plus game as an establishment candidate,
44:36
Speaker 13: I think you rent into some problems. That being said,
44:38
Speaker 13: there are plenty of normal Dems left in Michigan. I think,
44:42
Speaker 13: among them black voters who if you look at the
44:44
Speaker 13: crosstabs and some of these pollings, I believe it was
44:46
Speaker 13: the Detroit News one sixty seven percent backing Stevens versus L.
44:51
Speaker 14: Saed versus white affluent liberal.
44:53
Speaker 13: Voters, which are of course basically flip flopped and supporting L.
44:57
Speaker 13: Saed because they are four socialist candidates, and black voters
45:00
Speaker 13: are often more conservative and more moderate than liberal affluent voters.
45:06
Speaker 1: Well, this morning on with Fox and Friends with Lawrence,
45:08
Speaker 1: I did a throwback in the twenty sixteen Bernie Hillary race.
45:13
Speaker 1: Bernie beat Hillary in Michigan's primary, but that was in
45:16
Speaker 1: March and the kids were in school. I spent three
45:20
Speaker 1: years at ann Arbor, and I know it's an enormous university,
45:22
Speaker 1: enormous university system, and a lot out of state people,
45:25
Speaker 1: but a lot of in state people. They're in school,
45:27
Speaker 1: and they're easy to find and turn out in March.
45:30
Speaker 1: They're not in school on August fourth. Do you think
45:33
Speaker 1: that'll play a factor in this.
45:35
Speaker 13: I think it matters that the margins. Although I am
45:38
Speaker 13: cognizant that far left people are very very good at
45:42
Speaker 13: finding votes and curing votes and in chasing votes, and
45:46
Speaker 13: if some of those happened to be out of state
45:48
Speaker 13: University of Michigan students, I bet they can do it
45:51
Speaker 13: often because they don't have a lot of time spent
45:54
Speaker 13: doing other things. In many cases, we're subsidizing their activism,
45:57
Speaker 13: so perhaps they will go finding.
45:59
Speaker 1: Those I think Mike Rodgers will beat either of them. Now.
46:03
Speaker 1: If he doesn't, I'd much rather have Hailey Stevens because
46:06
Speaker 1: she is a strong supporter of Israel. A PAK is
46:10
Speaker 1: coming in heavy on her side. That devolution it was
46:14
Speaker 1: like a bad Hillary campaign. That ad or that clip
46:18
Speaker 1: was as bad as Hillary ever was. When people who
46:20
Speaker 1: are not naturally that way try to act that way,
46:23
Speaker 1: it doesn't work right, Catherine, Why don't they learn that
46:26
Speaker 1: it will work right?
46:28
Speaker 13: You must be yourself and if yourself is a sort
46:31
Speaker 13: of measured, kind of boring midwestern gal like you should
46:33
Speaker 13: do that.
46:34
Speaker 14: That's why she was elected the first time, right.
46:36
Speaker 13: Her pitch is sort of Tracy flick Is esque, which
46:39
Speaker 13: is like, I get the job done. I might not
46:40
Speaker 13: be the most exciting candidate, but I get the job done.
46:43
Speaker 14: So she may be trying to invoke.
46:45
Speaker 13: Other feelings and it's not working for her out there
46:48
Speaker 13: on the staff.
46:48
Speaker 14: I'm with you. I hope that Hailey Stevens is the.
46:51
Speaker 13: Nominee because I'm not in the practice of wishing for
46:54
Speaker 13: socialists on the other side of the ballot to make
46:55
Speaker 13: things easier, because I fear that it will get too
46:57
Speaker 13: close for comfort.
46:58
Speaker 1: Yep, we learned that with about let's talk about Maine.
47:02
Speaker 1: Graham Platner's gone, and almost certainly it's going to be
47:06
Speaker 1: Troy Jackson. So I had breakfast for the couple of
47:10
Speaker 1: lean Democrat to Democrat people this week, and they're really
47:14
Speaker 1: bummed out. They wanted Nadiv Shaw or Navid Shaw, they
47:18
Speaker 1: wanted anybody but Troy Jackson because apparently a stick about
47:22
Speaker 1: her has more personality than Troy Jackson. I myself don't
47:26
Speaker 1: care because I think Susan Collins, like Mike Rogers, she's
47:28
Speaker 1: just going to win. But boy, they can make it
47:31
Speaker 1: easier for if they nominate Troy Jackson, who is the prague?
47:34
Speaker 1: What did you say about it?
47:37
Speaker 14: Here's what I know about Troy Jackson, and it's not
47:39
Speaker 14: all that much.
47:39
Speaker 13: I've read up a little bit on him, but I
47:41
Speaker 13: saw his I saw an appearance on MS now, and
47:43
Speaker 13: you got to understand that on any platform, even MS now,
47:47
Speaker 13: this is the appearance you're going to be asked, what
47:50
Speaker 13: is the reason that did you continued to back.
47:53
Speaker 14: This guy after the Nazi tattoo? What's the reason you
47:55
Speaker 14: continued to back him after.
47:56
Speaker 13: The allegations from Wendesay Fifield who's a friend of mine,
47:59
Speaker 13: on domestic abuse? And then the last straw, of course,
48:02
Speaker 13: was Jenny Rescott in Politico why didn't you drop him earlier?
48:06
Speaker 14: And he didn't have an answer for it. And I
48:08
Speaker 14: just think when you're going on TV as.
48:10
Speaker 13: A real candidate who's supposed to be ready for prime time,
48:13
Speaker 13: please game out the things you're going to be asked.
48:16
Speaker 14: And if you're not gaming out the most simple of those.
48:19
Speaker 14: You have a problem already.
48:20
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you also think it? Well? People who know
48:23
Speaker 1: how the Senate works? Could they possibly vote Susan Collins
48:27
Speaker 1: out when chiefs the chair of the appropriations pit. Wouldn't
48:30
Speaker 1: that be the dumbest thing ever for Maine to do.
48:32
Speaker 14: I think a lot of people in main understand that.
48:35
Speaker 1: Oh, that's very good, followed Mallory Catherine MK hammer listened
48:39
Speaker 1: to the Getting Hammered podcast that Mary Catherine hosts along
48:42
Speaker 1: with Dick Mattison. Will come right back America. You've heard
48:46
Speaker 1: me talk off and on about the tax credit provisions
48:49
Speaker 1: that were included in the One Big, Beautiful Bill, the
48:51
Speaker 1: Working Family's Tax Cut, authored by Ted Cruz. Some states
48:55
Speaker 1: have already opted into the program, but for an update.
48:58
Speaker 1: Norton Rainey joins us and is the CEO of the
49:01
Speaker 1: A Scholarships Program. Longtime friend of the program. Norton, good
49:04
Speaker 1: to see you again. Can you start for the benefit
49:07
Speaker 1: of the Steelers fans by explaining what the law does
49:10
Speaker 1: and how it operates for families with children who are
49:14
Speaker 1: not in public schools.
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Speaker 9: You It's wonderful to see you as always. Thank you
49:19
Speaker 9: so much for your leadership in America and supporting what
49:23
Speaker 9: we think is arguably the most important initiative this country
49:26
Speaker 9: has seen for decades, and it's putting children and parents
49:30
Speaker 9: first in America. The Education Freedom Tax Credit for those
49:34
Speaker 9: who don't know was included in the Big Beautiful Bill
49:37
Speaker 9: in twenty twenty seven, and what it does, beginning in
49:41
Speaker 9: twenty twenty seven, it enables every parent in America to
49:44
Speaker 9: put their child in the education environment that's right for them,
49:48
Speaker 9: whether it be a public school, a homeschool, or a
49:53
Speaker 9: environment that is a micro school. Parents have the power
49:55
Speaker 9: to do it's right for them. So, if you're a
49:58
Speaker 9: person listening and you pay tax as an America, you
50:01
Speaker 9: can give up to seventeen hundred per year and claim
50:04
Speaker 9: a dollar for dollar federal tax credit beginning in January
50:08
Speaker 9: twenty twenty seven, and you basically have a choice give
50:11
Speaker 9: that money to the government or give that money to
50:14
Speaker 9: a program like a scholarships that can help up parents
50:17
Speaker 9: and children fulfill their dreams.
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Speaker 1: Now, let's get into the nitty gritty. Norton Rady and
50:22
Speaker 1: as the CEO of a scholarship, sho guard keeping track
50:25
Speaker 1: of which states have opted in. So if a parent's
50:28
Speaker 1: got a kid in a parochial school, or a Jewish
50:30
Speaker 1: day school or just a homeschooling environment. How does it work,
50:35
Speaker 1: What does their state have to do? How do they
50:37
Speaker 1: get credit? Can they pay their own kids tuition?
50:41
Speaker 9: Well, the law states that states must opt in, and
50:44
Speaker 9: that happens by a governor saint either yes or no
50:47
Speaker 9: to the federal credit program and enabling parents in their
50:50
Speaker 9: state to participate. To date, thirty one states have either
50:55
Speaker 9: opted in or expressed.
50:56
Speaker 7: An interest in opting in.
50:58
Speaker 9: I want to point out that three of those states, Kentucky,
51:01
Speaker 9: New York, and Colorado, are Democratic states and Governor Jared
51:05
Speaker 9: pouls in the state of Colorado was the first Democrat
51:08
Speaker 9: to really break rank and say that we believe in
51:10
Speaker 9: education in the state of Colorado, and so Colorado will
51:14
Speaker 9: lead the charge as a blue state. That will enable
51:17
Speaker 9: taxpayers to give and that means that children in the
51:20
Speaker 9: state of Colorado will benefit. For the thirty one states
51:23
Speaker 9: who have currently opted in, that is a game changer
51:26
Speaker 9: for them. That means once again that they have access
51:29
Speaker 9: to a great education that will unlock incredible potential.
51:34
Speaker 7: For the states who've not opted in.
51:36
Speaker 9: We are encouraging governors right now to opt in. So
51:39
Speaker 9: that your taxpayers can give and ensure that money stays
51:42
Speaker 9: within your state.
51:44
Speaker 1: So when a taxpayer they have to write the seventeen
51:48
Speaker 1: hundred dollars check, for example, to ACE, it's a dollar
51:51
Speaker 1: for dollar credit off of their federal tax that they
51:54
Speaker 1: have to pay ten thousand in taxes. All of a sudden,
51:57
Speaker 1: they're paying eight three hundred dollars in taxes because they've
52:00
Speaker 1: given seventeen hundred dollars to A scholarships. But do the
52:04
Speaker 1: parents do they control the money once they give it
52:06
Speaker 1: away or is it up to ACE to control the money.
52:09
Speaker 1: And is there any any ability of the parent to say,
52:12
Speaker 1: I want that to scholarship my child.
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Speaker 7: Well, a couple things that parents can do.
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Speaker 9: They can give the money to a program like ACE Scholarships,
52:21
Speaker 9: and we can direct that money to their school. They
52:24
Speaker 9: can't direct their own donation to their child. However, most
52:28
Speaker 9: parents in America will qualify. The provision actually allows most
52:32
Speaker 9: middle income families who probably make under four hundred thousand
52:36
Speaker 9: dollars per year to qualify. That's a lot of money.
52:39
Speaker 9: That's most Americans right now that are making either four hundred.
52:43
Speaker 7: Thousand dollars or less.
52:44
Speaker 9: To be specific, it's three hundred percent of your meeting
52:48
Speaker 9: income in the district that you live in. So this
52:51
Speaker 9: is really a win for almost every family in America.
52:54
Speaker 7: But what I would say to people, even.
52:56
Speaker 9: Though you can't direct the money to your child, is
52:59
Speaker 9: give them money to a program like a scholarships, and
53:02
Speaker 9: we will make sure that money is going to your
53:04
Speaker 9: school or to home school, or if you're in a
53:07
Speaker 9: public school, that you have the ability to use that
53:10
Speaker 9: money for education programs that are above and beyond what's
53:14
Speaker 9: paid for by taxpayers in your public school.
53:18
Speaker 7: I think that's really important as well.
53:20
Speaker 9: There are people, including union members, who are saying right
53:23
Speaker 9: now this is anti public schools and they are opposing
53:26
Speaker 9: this program. What they're doing is they're opposing children in
53:30
Speaker 9: public schools because this bill gives them an opportunity to
53:34
Speaker 9: use this money so their education is enhanced. So our
53:38
Speaker 9: directive right now to Americans is give generously, take advantage
53:42
Speaker 9: of your dollar for a dollar seventeen hundred dollars credit,
53:45
Speaker 9: and you will transform America so that we continue being
53:48
Speaker 9: the greatest country on the planet.
53:50
Speaker 1: So let's just put aside having children or not. If
53:54
Speaker 1: you're a tax payer and you're paying federal taxes, in
53:56
Speaker 1: excessive seventeen hundred dollars. It makes sense to give it
53:59
Speaker 1: to ACE or somebody like ACE, because then you will
54:03
Speaker 1: pay nothing in federal taxes. You're seventeen hundred dollars dollars
54:06
Speaker 1: per dollar credit, you'll get the seventeen hundred, but there
54:09
Speaker 1: is no direct connection between the parent and the child.
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Speaker 1: Do you think some of these organizations will in fact
54:16
Speaker 1: take cognizance of where the check is coming from and
54:20
Speaker 1: give it into that school district or that school.
54:24
Speaker 9: Well, we certainly already ase scholarships. That's a very important
54:27
Speaker 9: thing for us. We're partnering with our private schools, we're
54:30
Speaker 9: partnering with public schools, and we're setting up website portals
54:33
Speaker 9: for these entities and so the money that they're raising,
54:37
Speaker 9: we're administering the program for them. So as a scholarship
54:40
Speaker 9: granting organization that has operations in all fifty states right now,
54:45
Speaker 9: we're making this very simple for schools in organizations who
54:49
Speaker 9: want to raise money and ensure that that money stays
54:52
Speaker 9: within their entity. We've invested over ten million in technology.
54:56
Speaker 9: We have technology that makes the seamless for the schools
54:59
Speaker 9: or our partner are donors and the children who will benefit. So,
55:03
Speaker 9: to answer your question, we have the ability to ensure
55:06
Speaker 9: the money goes where they want this money to go.
55:08
Speaker 9: The only thing they can't do is directed to their child. However,
55:12
Speaker 9: if they're raising a lot of money within their school,
55:15
Speaker 9: that means their child likely will benefit.
55:18
Speaker 1: So every private school, pro Kail, Jewish state school, Evangelical,
55:24
Speaker 1: just a private school, private day school, they ought to
55:26
Speaker 1: be enrolled in this program if they're in the right state.
55:30
Speaker 1: Is it just the governor's decision Norton raining, or does
55:33
Speaker 1: the legislature have to back them up?
55:36
Speaker 9: It is only the governor at the law states that
55:38
Speaker 9: the governor must opt in or opt out, and so
55:41
Speaker 9: the governor has the discretion to make a decision whether
55:44
Speaker 9: they participate in this program. And again, thirty one states
55:48
Speaker 9: to date have opted in. That's a win for children
55:51
Speaker 9: and a win for America. But we need all governors
55:54
Speaker 9: in America to be in this program so that children
55:58
Speaker 9: in their states benefit.
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Speaker 7: If they don't opt.
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