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Spellbound · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I almost Famous podcast
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Speaker 1: with I our radio. It's the almost famous podcast. We
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Speaker 1: are back for another episode. Breakdown. Ashley. You have bad
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Speaker 1: storms your way, so if we lose you due to
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Speaker 1: the storms, your electricity goes out. I'm on my own.
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Speaker 1: Are you ready to be on your own? I am
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Speaker 1: ready to be on my own, but I don't want
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Speaker 1: to be on I don't think my electricity is going out. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I'd rather have you here, Ashley. It's time to jump
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Speaker 1: into it. A episode that garnered a lot of conversation online. Um,
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Speaker 1: we're here to talk about it. Break it down. In
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Speaker 1: the past, Ashley, we have been criticized, sometimes pushed the
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Speaker 1: side because of our critique of Zach, and the critiques
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Speaker 1: on my end have been Han, I don't think he's
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Speaker 1: a bad dude. I don't. UM. I don't even think
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Speaker 1: he's a bad bachelor. I think it was an odd choice. Um.
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Speaker 1: And there's been moments this season where I feel like
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Speaker 1: I don't know necessarily what his intentions are when it
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Speaker 1: comes to why he gets rid of some women and
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Speaker 1: why he keeps someone them around and why he kisses
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Speaker 1: them in the midst of a really intentional conversation. Those
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Speaker 1: are all critiques that I give every bachelor, some of
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Speaker 1: the best yea to some of the worst. I will
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Speaker 1: say in this episode, we'll get to it for the
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Speaker 1: first time. I will actually be critical of Zach. I
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Speaker 1: want to give you that note again, well, like actually
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Speaker 1: critical of him saying, hey, I don't think I would
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Speaker 1: say this is the first episode where I'd say his
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Speaker 1: bachelor ness is it was not on display. Well, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I don't. I still don't think he's a bad bachelor,
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Speaker 1: and I still don't think he's a bad dude. I
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Speaker 1: actually think he is a really good bachelor. I think
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Speaker 1: he's really there for the right reasons. I think he
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Speaker 1: wants to find love. But two episodes at a rowna
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Speaker 1: actually and again will break it down later in the episode,
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Speaker 1: he has got m he has responded oddly to the feelings,
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Speaker 1: the confusion and the emotions of the contestants. And I
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Speaker 1: have some reasons why I'm on the contestants side here,
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Speaker 1: and we'll get to those here later on. But let's
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Speaker 1: start at the beginning of the episode. All right, let's
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Speaker 1: do it. All right, So they're in this place that
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Speaker 1: I want to call Andalasia or Um, what's the Princess Diaries.
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Speaker 1: I've never watched Princess Diaries, Princess of Genovia. What, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I know, Jessica says. Jessica and I just got into
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Speaker 1: this last week. Really, what's the odds? Well, I don't know,
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Speaker 1: but we're wanting to watch a movie. And she's like,
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Speaker 1: isn't it a night that you're in the mood to
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Speaker 1: watch Princess Diaries? And I was like, well, no, and
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Speaker 1: I've never seen it. And then I don't know when
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be in the mood to watch a Princess Diaries.
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Speaker 1: But she says it's top five favorite movies for her
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Speaker 1: of all time. Oh wow, that's so sweet of you
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Speaker 1: to to maybe consider watching one of her top five
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Speaker 1: favorite movies of all time one day. It's okay. Jared's
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Speaker 1: the exact same way, with a walk to remember like,
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Speaker 1: he won't do it. I think he saw it once
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Speaker 1: when he was like an eighth or ninth grade and
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Speaker 1: he will never watch it with me. But anyway, it's
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Speaker 1: like Andalusia or like Genovia. This place I've heard of
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Speaker 1: it before. Where are we was Estonia? Estonia? It looks beautiful.
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Speaker 1: It really does look like some fantasy like Disney World
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Speaker 1: really does. It looks like a perfect place to find love.
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Speaker 1: I love that. Actually, there's so many parts of the
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Speaker 1: show now that being on it um and then watching
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Speaker 1: it as a fan, i just kind of like dismiss
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Speaker 1: or like I'm like, oh, that's ridiculous. You know when
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Speaker 1: they yell at Zach's name. Yeah, at the same place,
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Speaker 1: the most cringing thing ever. But the this is a
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Speaker 1: perfect place to find love still hits my heart. It
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Speaker 1: still makes me, still feels genuine to me. All Right, Well,
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Speaker 1: it's not a good place for Greer to find love
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Speaker 1: because of all people, she's the one that's caught COVID,
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Speaker 1: possibly from Zach. They say she's under the weather, but
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Speaker 1: later in the episode they confirmed that she had COVID
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Speaker 1: and she was like quarantining the entire time. So like Greer,
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Speaker 1: who was definitely on the shopping block this week, kind
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Speaker 1: of gets the sale through, not that she's participating at all,
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Speaker 1: she's not in this episode. But isn't it ironic that
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Speaker 1: the person that he probably would have eliminated, that he
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Speaker 1: feels like he could have eliminated last week is the
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Speaker 1: one that gets COVID from him, even though like I
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Speaker 1: don't think they've been physical at all. Yeah, you know,
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Speaker 1: there's yes, I do. I do think that's interesting. I
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Speaker 1: also think it's interesting now that like, what is the
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Speaker 1: formula or process to somebody going home after having COVID,
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Speaker 1: Because with Logan he just disappeared, He's gone yea, like
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Speaker 1: he gets covided last week? Sorry, bad luck. But then
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Speaker 1: Greer gets COVID and she he sticks around. Which whose
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Speaker 1: decision is that? Ultimately? Is that the leads decision? Is
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Speaker 1: that the show's decision? Do we really know? I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I think it's changed since Logan, But also I think
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Speaker 1: that Grier has been like more of somebody to consider
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Speaker 1: in this process than Logan ever was to either those girls. Okay,
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Speaker 1: fair enough, Okay, so let's go. Let's Oh my gosh.
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Speaker 1: So the first of course, we get the one on
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Speaker 1: one date card. It's for Charity, which is no surprise
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Speaker 1: since Charity's date last week was canceled. We're all happy
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Speaker 1: she's got it. But before Zach could pick her up,
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Speaker 1: he gets pulled aside by Kat who just is like, oh,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go like take a little steal for a second,
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Speaker 1: like want to have a little private moment and this
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Speaker 1: is a huge part of this episode, which I think
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Speaker 1: is a little bit extra. She definitely sure, why extra?
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Speaker 1: And what I think it? I think it's extra on
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Speaker 1: Brooklyn's end. So it ends up being drama between Kat
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Speaker 1: and Brooklyn, primarily a little bit with Charity, but primarily
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Speaker 1: between Brooklyn and Kat. And and man, was Brooklyn revved
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Speaker 1: up by this move? She thought it was so rude
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Speaker 1: to pull him aside to sneak in alone time before
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Speaker 1: somebody else is one on one? Now, look, is it ideal? Now?
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Speaker 1: Is it a little bit rude? Sure? Are there any
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Speaker 1: aren't there supposed to be? No rules? Doesn't every lead
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Speaker 1: usually praise the person who steals them aside and is
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Speaker 1: aggressive to get alone time with them? It almost always
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Speaker 1: seems to go over well, especially in my opinion. I
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Speaker 1: don't know I was gonna say with a male lead,
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Speaker 1: but now I think about the girls too. I feel
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Speaker 1: like I feel like most leads appreciate when somebody takes
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Speaker 1: a little bit of a extra step to see them,
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Speaker 1: and that's what Kat does. And again, is it perfect timing? Now?
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Speaker 1: But should it be as big of a deal as
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Speaker 1: Brooklyn makes it seem? I don't think so. I think
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Speaker 1: Brooklyn is acting out of a lot of jealousy here.
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Speaker 1: I think she sees Kat as a major threat and
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Speaker 1: she wants to bring her down some way. That's my take,
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Speaker 1: what's yours, Well, it's nice to be pursued no matter
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Speaker 1: what you know. You're the lead. You often feel to feel,
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Speaker 1: I mean, from my experience, like you're on your own island, right,
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Speaker 1: You're staying separated from everybody else. You typically don't have
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Speaker 1: a lot of friends around you. You don't know exactly
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Speaker 1: how the women are feeling in the house, especially the
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Speaker 1: ones that you're very interested in. So it does feel
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Speaker 1: good to be pursued, especially by those that you really like.
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Speaker 1: And so I think there's one note here where if
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Speaker 1: it was somebody that he wasn't that into, I think
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Speaker 1: he maybe would have responded differently. Okay, but there's also
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Speaker 1: like nobody that he's not into now, which is kind
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Speaker 1: of crazy. I definitely thought in this episode, Ali, who
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Speaker 1: does get aliminate at the end, was the weakest link,
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Speaker 1: and then as well, those were the two like obvious
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Speaker 1: the iliminations in my head. But what I'm really finding
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Speaker 1: intriguing about this season is that he's so into these girls,
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Speaker 1: and I feel like everybody has a chance, and I
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Speaker 1: think the front runners are changing week by week. Anyway, Okay,
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Speaker 1: Ben continue, Sorry I am and I could be wrong
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Speaker 1: in this. I'm just typically in these situations that it's
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Speaker 1: like very gray. There's not a right and wrong. There's
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Speaker 1: not a procedure to Hey, was cast supposed to do
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Speaker 1: this or not? Was it inappropriate? We don't really know. Nobody,
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Speaker 1: you know, we'll all have our own opinions on it.
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Speaker 1: He was in poor taste, I'll say it's in poor taste,
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Speaker 1: I would I would say I always fall back on
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Speaker 1: the leads response. And so if Zach didn't want this happening, right,
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Speaker 1: this is a process, and this is I'll get to
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Speaker 1: this later. But the one thing I want Zach as
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Speaker 1: a fan of the show, as you know, as somebody's
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Speaker 1: watching it, to understand is this is a process for
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Speaker 1: all involved. Yes, he is the lead of the process,
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Speaker 1: but this is everybody's experience and everybody's adventure together and
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Speaker 1: he has to help cultivate that and care for that.
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Speaker 1: And so with this, yes, this is a process for
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Speaker 1: him and kat Zach if he wasn't into it, needed
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Speaker 1: to say hey, this is inappropriate this time. I like
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Speaker 1: you a lot, I'm very into this relationship, but I
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Speaker 1: have a date coming up and it just feels weird
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Speaker 1: to be doing this right before my date. If he
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Speaker 1: doesn't have a problem with it, him as the lead,
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Speaker 1: goes with it, and then nobody can really get upset
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Speaker 1: with anybody but Zach, because the girls are just trying
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Speaker 1: to figure out the best way to get his attention
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Speaker 1: like it. Yeah, And if he doesn't like that attention,
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Speaker 1: or if he feels like that's not fair to the
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Speaker 1: process in general, as the lead, then he has to
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Speaker 1: step up and say something. But the only person here
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Speaker 1: to get upset about is Zach. Very interesting, very interesting
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Speaker 1: take on that, and I agree with you, Brooklyn. It
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Speaker 1: gets feisty too. It's not just like, oh, did you
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Speaker 1: really have to do that? That That was kind of rude,
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Speaker 1: Like she wants to fight her with words, Yeah, agressive,
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Speaker 1: called her out with being aggressive, and it's like, Okay,
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Speaker 1: if somebody's gonna have an issue with the moment, like,
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Speaker 1: let it be Charity who's gonna be going on the
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Speaker 1: one on one. Let her be the one that's offended,
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Speaker 1: not use so desperately anyway, we'll get back to the
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Speaker 1: situation later. I think that there's like there's not a
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Speaker 1: lot of drama going on this season, which I think
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Speaker 1: we like. We like that there's no petty drama and
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Speaker 1: they're definitely going to like use this as a drama point,
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Speaker 1: which I didn't mind it, just because it truly felt
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Speaker 1: like that Brooklyn was irked. Anyway, Okay, like I said,
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Speaker 1: let's move on. Charity and him have a very nice
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Speaker 1: one on one. They there's not like a lot to
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Speaker 1: munition on it. You know, they go on a horse
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Speaker 1: drawn carriage. They play this game about like wife carrying,
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Speaker 1: which is apparently apparently a very popular sport in Estonia.
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Speaker 1: Do you believe that wife carrying? Yeah, if you google it,
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Speaker 1: Like no, I don't know if I feel like saying
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Speaker 1: it's a popular sport is overblown, Like I think it's
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Speaker 1: probably done, but I'm sure it's done a few places
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Speaker 1: in the US. Doesn't make it a popular sport. But
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Speaker 1: you keep going if we're an interesting date. H What
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Speaker 1: else did they do around town? Uh? I don't hate it?
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Speaker 1: Can I just say that though, Like I know that
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Speaker 1: they'll carrying or just like the little like carriage around town.
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Speaker 1: I think carriage aroundtown is a nice type of date. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I think the carriage around town, the carrying is is weird, right,
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Speaker 1: it's a risk, it's it's different. But what I don't
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Speaker 1: hate about it is I'm just glad the show is
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Speaker 1: finding new dates, like, yeah, new things. So outside of
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Speaker 1: if carrying your wife around is a sport or not,
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Speaker 1: or if it is a super weird concept or not,
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Speaker 1: I'm just glad the show is looking for new, creative
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Speaker 1: dates that are like that we can talk about here
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Speaker 1: in the podcast and be interested in and at least
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Speaker 1: have an opinion on, because half the dates, it feels
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Speaker 1: like nowadays are repeats and we don't even focus on
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Speaker 1: them anymore because they're repeats. So just happy that's something
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Speaker 1: news happening. I completely agree, And I really do like
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Speaker 1: these touristy dates. They're like kind of tourists doing the
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Speaker 1: things that the people there do, which I guess that's
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Speaker 1: not like new I guess they always try to incorporate
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Speaker 1: the culture in the date, but I like the way
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Speaker 1: that they're like touring around town together like he did
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Speaker 1: with Gabby last week in London. Then they go and
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Speaker 1: they take shots of something they think it's alcohol, but
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Speaker 1: there's like a ton there. It is alcohol, but there's
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Speaker 1: like a ton of pepper in it, and those like
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Speaker 1: the kind of like fun experiences together when you like
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Speaker 1: get grossed out together, or you know, you take shots,
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Speaker 1: like it's kind of more of like a normal date, right, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: shots on dates? Takes did you take shots on dates?
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Speaker 1: Would take a shot at date? Like especially something new
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Speaker 1: and interesting. I mean, I'm not gonna sit on my
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Speaker 1: first they was somebody in rip like six tequila shots
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Speaker 1: and be like, hey, you hang out, Yeah, but something new,
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Speaker 1: drinking a new experience together. It helps loosen it up.
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Speaker 1: It gives you something to talk about. So, yes, this
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Speaker 1: feels like a very normal, fun, healthy kind of first date,
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Speaker 1: if you will. Yeah, yep, bonding experience. So then they
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Speaker 1: sit down to dinner and they talk about how Charity
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Speaker 1: really like probably had an emotional, elite abusive relationship in
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Speaker 1: her past, her last relationship. She says, it's like she
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Speaker 1: feels like shameful about it and regretful, but it's made
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Speaker 1: her who she is today. She said she was really
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Speaker 1: just stuck in a vicious cycle of manipulation and the
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Speaker 1: relationship had some infidelity many times with somebody that she
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Speaker 1: knew obviously, just like a really horrible situation to be here,
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Speaker 1: be in. But now with Zach, you know, she's feeling
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Speaker 1: good and she's glad that she was able to get
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Speaker 1: through that conversation and she felt comfort did by him
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Speaker 1: and you know, gives her the rose feels very strong
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Speaker 1: with with Charity, you know, Um, all I can say
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Speaker 1: is that, like it's another one to kind of add
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Speaker 1: to the code. And I don't want to call girls
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Speaker 1: a collection, but like the bunch of people that I
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Speaker 1: feel like would be safe for weeks, but then you
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Speaker 1: realize that he's got eliminate, eliminate down to the top
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Speaker 1: four hometowns by next week. So whoever leaves next week
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Speaker 1: I think is going to be They're gonna be shocked
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Speaker 1: as a contestant and we're going to be shocked as
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Speaker 1: an audience. That's what we want though, right, I mean,
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Speaker 1: this is this is our ideal season right now, where
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Speaker 1: there is so many people that we know. You know,
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Speaker 1: this will be the first season in a while, Ashley
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Speaker 1: that I bet I could name five contestants from like
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Speaker 1: six months after the show's done. I could be like, oh, yeah,
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Speaker 1: you remember kat In Brooklyn and Charity an Aerial and
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Speaker 1: all these people from this season, because the cont testing
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Speaker 1: group is very strong, and I think the connections are
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Speaker 1: very strong and this is what we want. We've kind
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Speaker 1: of missed this, Like I mean, if you remember, maybe
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Speaker 1: two seasons ago, we were like, I don't know if
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Speaker 1: there's anybody here that we could see them with, which
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Speaker 1: is a very odd place to sit in. As you
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Speaker 1: get down to hometowns this season, I'm going, oh, I
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Speaker 1: see a lot of people I could see him with. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's so true. Like, think about these girls, these Top
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Speaker 1: I don't even know number we're at, like eight, let's
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Speaker 1: just call it Aaron without me counting, but all Top
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Speaker 1: eight would seemingly be like Big Paradise gets m interesting thought, Yes,
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Speaker 1: Big Paradise gets and very after Paradise gets like I'm
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Speaker 1: saying that when they get to the beach, I think
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Speaker 1: people are gonna be like, yes, Zach's season had an
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Speaker 1: incredible contestant group. Yeah, I agree. Okay, So like the
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Speaker 1: group date they go to a witch is a witches thing, Ben,
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Speaker 1: I feel like you weren't going to like this date.
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Speaker 1: I'm not really sure you're a witch fan um which
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Speaker 1: has intrigued me. I actually actually, um, I'm I'm intrigued
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Speaker 1: by which is for for wild reasons, right, I think
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Speaker 1: a lot of times they're um, there's a misconception, right,
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Speaker 1: and then you know the history of which is like
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Speaker 1: what makes somebody a witch and what doesn't and false
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Speaker 1: accusations of this. The whole history of people being witches
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Speaker 1: has just intrigued me with the stories, especially when it
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Speaker 1: crosses with religion, and so I'm more I'm not like
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Speaker 1: a not a witch fan. No, okay, because I thought
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Speaker 1: it was like a religious thing that you'd be like
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Speaker 1: not a witch fan. No, I mean, you know, for
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Speaker 1: for his uh much as a Christian I am, or
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Speaker 1: however you want to explain that, you know, my fundamental
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Speaker 1: side is not existing. And so I'm more just intrigued
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Speaker 1: with the history of and trying to understand their culture
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Speaker 1: and where they came from. So no, I'm intrigued. Um,
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Speaker 1: I mean like dark magics in general, like just I
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Speaker 1: don't understand it. I've never been around it, and so
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Speaker 1: I'm more I've an outsider, just interested. Are you cool
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Speaker 1: with like good witches though, like Linda, Oh yeah, yeah, definitely.
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Speaker 1: I mean I'm cool with I'm cool. You're cool with
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Speaker 1: the witches. Okay, Well, do you believe in love spells?
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Speaker 1: Because I can't. I can't deny my sister and I
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Speaker 1: may have I wouldn't say conducted love spells, but something
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Speaker 1: of the sort. I've sat on a balcony and meditated
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Speaker 1: about someone while like a red candle was burning. Or
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Speaker 1: I've taken what we was called a love bath, which
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Speaker 1: is like you put red petals in the bath and
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Speaker 1: then you think about the person deeply. Oh my good.
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Speaker 1: I mean, there's so much about this thing I ask.
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Speaker 1: But that's not like gwitchy stuff, right, that's like the
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Speaker 1: power of your mind. Sure, you know, I mean, I
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Speaker 1: guess it is. You know, you go into it. What
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Speaker 1: is meditation? What is prayer? What is contemplation? Like you know,
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Speaker 1: prayer in a lot of ways, for me has always
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Speaker 1: been about meditating and contemplating on the good and the bad,
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Speaker 1: and the dreams and the hopes and where God I
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Speaker 1: feel like it is calling me to. So for me
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Speaker 1: as a Christian, like, prayer has looked a lot of
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Speaker 1: different ways. It isn't just me getting on my hands
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Speaker 1: and knees, crossing my hands and praying God, Thank you
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Speaker 1: for today. No, it's like a lot of it is meditation,
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Speaker 1: and I think a lot of that is like a
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Speaker 1: calling of the heart and getting your mind to a
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Speaker 1: place where, you know, well, helping your mind understand what
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Speaker 1: your heart is feeling. That's fair, that's not weird. That
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Speaker 1: happens in every faith tradition, just people call it different things.
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Speaker 1: I you know me personally, and maybe I'll be convinced
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Speaker 1: to this one day, maybe I never will. I am
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Speaker 1: not necessarily somebody that would invest any money into getting
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Speaker 1: U my cards read or getting a spell put over
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Speaker 1: me believing that that is doing something that is something
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Speaker 1: that I you know, I do think there is a
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Speaker 1: spiritual world, and I do think there's that stuff going on.
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Speaker 1: I just wouldn't do it because one it would you know,
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Speaker 1: I've read too much about that stuff, and then two
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Speaker 1: I just have never I'm good with my prayer to Jesus. Now,
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Speaker 1: that's not that everybody has to that. So no, I
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Speaker 1: am not a fan of spells. I don't believe in spells,
19:31
Speaker 1: but that's just my own personal thing. So you don't
19:33
Speaker 1: believe that Zach and these girls are falling more in
19:36
Speaker 1: love overlooking at each other through a flame candle, No,
19:41
Speaker 1: I do not, and if they that is there, that's
19:43
Speaker 1: their their tasks this week. That's really the most shown
19:47
Speaker 1: spell because of course the candle that blows out in
19:51
Speaker 1: the midst of this gay is is the candle between
19:55
Speaker 1: Jess and Zach and we just know going to this
19:57
Speaker 1: group date that Jess is feeling very secure about the
20:00
Speaker 1: fact that she hasn't had a one on one, which
20:02
Speaker 1: at this point I feel you I was a wee
20:06
Speaker 1: week are we are? We at week six? We're getting
20:09
Speaker 1: pretty I think this is my week. I think this
20:11
Speaker 1: is my week that I got eliminated. Okay, so then
20:13
Speaker 1: this is the time where you look around the room. Yes, okay,
20:16
Speaker 1: this is week six. You look around the room and
20:19
Speaker 1: you're like, okay, so it's me and that other person
20:22
Speaker 1: and we're the only ones that haven't had one on one.
20:23
Speaker 1: So I kind of feel demoralized right now because I'm
20:26
Speaker 1: obviously at the bottom of this guy's barrel. Um. So yeah,
20:30
Speaker 1: you just feel insecure about being around all these other
20:32
Speaker 1: girls that obviously have an upper hand of you, and
20:34
Speaker 1: that like applies to everything in life, that like applies
20:37
Speaker 1: to gym class. Right then it's a classic class like, yeah,
20:42
Speaker 1: you don't want to be I mean, you don't want
20:44
Speaker 1: to be picked last. I know there's listeners out there
20:47
Speaker 1: who probably have a different faith or belief system than
20:52
Speaker 1: I do. Here's something I a question I want to
20:54
Speaker 1: ask you and listeners. You've been really good at DM
20:57
Speaker 1: ing and Twitter messaging on some questions recently. What is
21:02
Speaker 1: the difference here? And this is a question I'm curious about.
21:05
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about this. What is the difference
21:07
Speaker 1: here between looking into a candle and having things spoken
21:10
Speaker 1: over you and having like you're kind of like mind
21:14
Speaker 1: like in this certain place. What's the difference between like
21:16
Speaker 1: that like a spell or whatever you want to call it,
21:18
Speaker 1: a hypnosis? Like how do I know that I'm not
21:21
Speaker 1: being like hypnotized or I'm going to use this word
21:24
Speaker 1: but it's not the right word, but it feels like
21:26
Speaker 1: the only word I can come up with, like manipulated
21:29
Speaker 1: to fall more in love given you know this environment,
21:34
Speaker 1: because the mind is easy to tweak, Like hypnosis is
21:36
Speaker 1: a very real thing. I've seen people hypnotize. How do
21:39
Speaker 1: I know that I'm not being just hypnotized to fall
21:41
Speaker 1: in love with all these people? Or that Z don't know,
21:43
Speaker 1: but one one time I played a game with Jared
21:46
Speaker 1: and it said this game will make somebody fall in
21:48
Speaker 1: love with you. And now we're married. When does that?
21:51
Speaker 1: When does this spell like leave? Then? Like when does
21:53
Speaker 1: it kick off? Is it just I don't know? But
21:57
Speaker 1: if you look it up on Google, you look up
21:59
Speaker 1: like the twenty questions to make someone fall in love
22:02
Speaker 1: with you, and they're just increasingly vulnerable, like intimate questions
22:06
Speaker 1: and the more you reveal yourself. Yeah, I guarantee you
22:09
Speaker 1: googled it right before you had your first date with Jared.
22:11
Speaker 1: What are twenty things I could say to make him
22:13
Speaker 1: fall up me? I remember this day. This is so
22:17
Speaker 1: vividly because I'd like to pretend like it was our
22:18
Speaker 1: first date in real life, even though I totally manipulated
22:21
Speaker 1: it on him. We've had an event, he had an
22:24
Speaker 1: extra day in La. I was like, hey, do you
22:25
Speaker 1: want to go to dinner in a movie? And you know,
22:27
Speaker 1: like he thought, just as friends? Duh. Yeah. I was like, yeah,
22:30
Speaker 1: well I took him to the most romantic restaurant got anyway. Okay,
22:35
Speaker 1: So this is where we need to sit though, because
22:37
Speaker 1: this is a moment with Jess and Zach that I
22:41
Speaker 1: was kind of alluding to at the beginning, right just
22:46
Speaker 1: and Zach Candle blows out she has concerns about not
22:50
Speaker 1: getting the first date or a one on one date,
22:53
Speaker 1: which she already knows she's not getting a one on one,
22:55
Speaker 1: but she's you know, so she's feeling real stupid on
22:57
Speaker 1: this group date as the only girl who's never had
22:59
Speaker 1: a one And at this point, actually you had mentioned
23:04
Speaker 1: that you were in this similar situation. Can you just
23:06
Speaker 1: describe the feelings that you're experiencing as you sit around
23:12
Speaker 1: the room and you go, I'm the only person that
23:14
Speaker 1: hasn't gotten time with Zach. He either is not interested
23:17
Speaker 1: in me or he's saving a very special date for
23:19
Speaker 1: me one day, but that day hasn't happened yet, and
23:22
Speaker 1: I'm starting to get and I'll let you fill in
23:24
Speaker 1: the blanks. Oh okay, Well you feel obviously behind, and
23:30
Speaker 1: then you feel like, oh, or all the conversations that
23:34
Speaker 1: are happening on this group date so much more in
23:36
Speaker 1: depth than what I'm going to have because we're still
23:39
Speaker 1: like surfacing. And then we get to what Jess talks
23:43
Speaker 1: about on the group date, which was something that I
23:47
Speaker 1: definitely felt because the little times that you have with
23:52
Speaker 1: the lead leading up to this point are like fifteen
23:55
Speaker 1: minutes one on one tops, right, Yeah, so she probably
24:00
Speaker 1: got like fifteen minutes during the daytime portion of the
24:03
Speaker 1: day along with him, and that's like kind of like fun.
24:06
Speaker 1: Right then the nighttime portion is when you're supposed to
24:09
Speaker 1: be a little bit more intimate and vulnerable and talk
24:12
Speaker 1: a little bit more about your life. But that's still
24:15
Speaker 1: only fifteen minutes. So you're supposed to be like flirty
24:19
Speaker 1: and like flirty and like fun but also connect at
24:25
Speaker 1: the same time, all within fifteen minutes, and you're just like, Okay,
24:28
Speaker 1: I'm having a hard time doing this. It makes me
24:31
Speaker 1: The pressure is so on you to make like the
24:35
Speaker 1: best fifteen minute impression, and you feel like there's certain
24:40
Speaker 1: things that you're just not going to bring up because one,
24:43
Speaker 1: it'll take too long, it'll feel weird if it's interrupted,
24:48
Speaker 1: and then it'll just feel like out of place. So
24:54
Speaker 1: just in general, everything feels like it's kind of like
24:57
Speaker 1: out of place when you have a fifteen minute cover
25:00
Speaker 1: station that can be interrupted at any time. So what
25:04
Speaker 1: she was saying was like she was kind of like
25:06
Speaker 1: waiting for that one on one to let herself out
25:09
Speaker 1: and for him to see the real her, which I
25:13
Speaker 1: can so relate to because I don't think that was
25:15
Speaker 1: ever like totally myself. And it's so silly to refer
25:19
Speaker 1: back to like eight years ago and Chris souls and stuff,
25:22
Speaker 1: but like that's how it was. Like I just felt
25:25
Speaker 1: like every little moment I had was like, oh, okay,
25:28
Speaker 1: I'll try to be flirty. It was like always like
25:32
Speaker 1: trying to be like flirty and fun and like never
25:34
Speaker 1: really like getting into anything deeper. And that's why she
25:39
Speaker 1: was like, I just need a one on one. I
25:41
Speaker 1: just wanted a one on one and it's really sad
25:43
Speaker 1: that I haven't had one because I don't think you've
25:45
Speaker 1: gotten to know who I am at this point. And
25:47
Speaker 1: then he makes it seem like she's she's too focused
25:55
Speaker 1: on having a one on one, Like why would she
25:57
Speaker 1: feel like she needed a one on one so bad?
26:00
Speaker 1: It's very a very bizarre unfolding. Yeah, so here's where
26:05
Speaker 1: my critique was at the beginning. And people will still
26:07
Speaker 1: probably get upset that I'm too harsh on Zach, and
26:10
Speaker 1: I'm okay with that because I really am confident one
26:14
Speaker 1: I've been there and Zach. Again, I want to preface
26:17
Speaker 1: this was saying, I don't think Zach is a bad bachelor,
26:19
Speaker 1: and I don't think he's a bad dude. I think
26:22
Speaker 1: he is handling. And it goes back to our point
26:24
Speaker 1: a few weeks ago. I think he's handling these tough
26:27
Speaker 1: like confrontations in a very kind of harsh, ununderstanding, non
26:34
Speaker 1: understanding way, and that makes me nervous. Here's my point
26:39
Speaker 1: to this. I remember on my time on The Bachelorette,
26:42
Speaker 1: and I've never said this publicly, and I just thought
26:44
Speaker 1: about it last night as I was reviewing everything and
26:46
Speaker 1: thinking through my thoughts and why maybe I felt a
26:49
Speaker 1: little irked or why I was like, hey, this doesn't
26:51
Speaker 1: seem fair or right. I've never publicly said this. I
26:55
Speaker 1: always actually felt weird in this environment on the Bachelor.
26:59
Speaker 1: Atte as a lead, it was a little different, but
27:02
Speaker 1: on the Bachelor I always felt very uncomfortable for a
27:04
Speaker 1: few reasons. One, it's a weird world. You're with a
27:07
Speaker 1: bunch of like really cool people, very attractive people. You
27:10
Speaker 1: always feel like you're competing for this one thing that
27:12
Speaker 1: you barely see and that you hope one day works
27:15
Speaker 1: out for you. You never know what to bring up right,
27:18
Speaker 1: Like you just don't know what to talk about. You
27:20
Speaker 1: don't know what to talk about because it is it's
27:21
Speaker 1: a high pressure environment. The second piece, and this is
27:24
Speaker 1: the thing I've never shared. I always felt just very
27:27
Speaker 1: like silly about speaking sharing my thoughts on the experience,
27:33
Speaker 1: because when they would have you into the like do
27:35
Speaker 1: you really want a rose tonight? I would just feel
27:38
Speaker 1: personally really weird about being like, oh my gosh, that
27:40
Speaker 1: rose would mean so much to me. I just felt
27:42
Speaker 1: weird about a rose being such a focus in my life.
27:45
Speaker 1: I never I never in my life I understand that,
27:49
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I haven't thought about that for a while,
27:51
Speaker 1: just being in that interview room before before rose ceremony,
27:55
Speaker 1: how much does this rose mean to you tonight? It
27:58
Speaker 1: means so much to me, It just doesn't. It never
28:03
Speaker 1: felt comfortable to me. So I was a lot more
28:05
Speaker 1: comfortable sitting with Caitlin at the time and talking about
28:08
Speaker 1: our lives in her life and what she was dreaming
28:11
Speaker 1: of and what this experience was. But at some point
28:15
Speaker 1: she's had these same conversations that I'm asking her to
28:17
Speaker 1: the same questions of with multiple different people, and so
28:19
Speaker 1: I just felt uncomfortable and that uncomfortability led to some insecurity,
28:25
Speaker 1: and that insecurity led to some doubts and confusion, and
28:29
Speaker 1: then there would be moments where I was like, No,
28:30
Speaker 1: this is a really fun, good thing that I'm experiencing here,
28:33
Speaker 1: and I want to stick around. I just don't know
28:35
Speaker 1: how to express it to Caitlin fairly. And I always
28:37
Speaker 1: will say this what Caitlin Bristow did, And I haven't
28:41
Speaker 1: been on any other Bachelor as season, so I don't know,
28:43
Speaker 1: but I would say she did it as well as
28:45
Speaker 1: anybody could. Is She never made those insecurities, or my confusion,
28:50
Speaker 1: or my like laughter at the thought that I was
28:52
Speaker 1: wanting a rose so bad ever, like something that was
28:56
Speaker 1: my problem. She always made me feel comfortable expressing these
29:00
Speaker 1: concerns and these doubts and these things in my head.
29:03
Speaker 1: She would laugh with me, she would joke with me.
29:06
Speaker 1: So this brings me to Zach. We've had multiple women
29:09
Speaker 1: now express things that, yes, maybe he feels are silly,
29:13
Speaker 1: but in their world they're a big deal. And instead
29:15
Speaker 1: of sitting with them and hearing them out and saying, Okay,
29:18
Speaker 1: why is it so frustrating to you that you haven't
29:21
Speaker 1: gotten to one on one yet? Well, because I feel
29:23
Speaker 1: like I want more time with you, and I feel
29:24
Speaker 1: like you really need to get to know me outside
29:26
Speaker 1: of these group dates. Well that makes sense, Like I
29:29
Speaker 1: don't know if I know you yet. Tell me more
29:31
Speaker 1: about this. He's just pretty much like in his own
29:33
Speaker 1: head saying, I don't get it. This is something I
29:36
Speaker 1: don't understand, and there's a disconnect now, and and I
29:41
Speaker 1: just I think he's making I mean, we saw it
29:43
Speaker 1: with Greer, like trying to bring up a simple thing
29:44
Speaker 1: about trying to compare work with this experience. It's weird.
29:48
Speaker 1: You're not always gonna have the right things to say.
29:50
Speaker 1: And as a leader, it's everybody's process together. And the
29:53
Speaker 1: whole point of I think being a lead is to
29:56
Speaker 1: help people through the process so that you can get
29:58
Speaker 1: to know somebody. And I think Zach's shutting these down
30:00
Speaker 1: so quickly that to me, it's frustrating. That's my biggest
30:04
Speaker 1: beef right now. Again, don't think he's a bad bachelor,
30:07
Speaker 1: don't think he's a bad person. I just wish he
30:09
Speaker 1: would lean in a little bit to understanding where the
30:11
Speaker 1: women are coming from more than just being like, yeah,
30:15
Speaker 1: you aren't seeing the way I do. And so I
30:16
Speaker 1: don't get it. Yeah, he's like super intolerant to difference
30:20
Speaker 1: and that kind of it could not feel good. Yeah, right,
30:24
Speaker 1: And I want to just say you saying that made
30:27
Speaker 1: me think about group dates and such and being in
30:31
Speaker 1: Jess's shoes. When you are on a group your group date,
30:35
Speaker 1: group group date, you are one like if you're not
30:39
Speaker 1: a totally extroverted person, like I had to compete. It
30:45
Speaker 1: feels weird to say again now with like a Caitlin
30:48
Speaker 1: who is super extroverted, so funny, just like the life
30:52
Speaker 1: of the party on a group date where it's like,
30:55
Speaker 1: why would he even like look at me when this
30:58
Speaker 1: girl is like lighting up the room. So you have
31:00
Speaker 1: to compete with personalities like that. So when you're like
31:03
Speaker 1: an introvert, when you're I guess what am I? I'm
31:06
Speaker 1: an extroverted introvert. Even though I'm usually comfortable in like
31:12
Speaker 1: a group setting, I like it to be a little
31:14
Speaker 1: bit smaller, Like if it's a table of four, I'd
31:16
Speaker 1: like I like to talk. If the table of six
31:19
Speaker 1: or seven, I'm gonna probably sit back a little bit more.
31:22
Speaker 1: So on these group dates, I'd find myself sitting back more,
31:24
Speaker 1: which again makes you feel shy, and feeling shy can
31:27
Speaker 1: often make you feel insecure. And then the other part
31:30
Speaker 1: of group dates is the conversations that you usually have
31:33
Speaker 1: don't really go to the real world you it taught.
31:37
Speaker 1: You end up talking about like your bachelor you and
31:40
Speaker 1: like how you're feeling in the group, and how the
31:43
Speaker 1: travel's been, and like are you getting along with everyone?
31:46
Speaker 1: And this has been fun? And it's just like all
31:49
Speaker 1: that surfacing stuff. So those are just two reasons why
31:53
Speaker 1: being on a group date you're not letting your real
31:56
Speaker 1: self shine. So I just totally totally feel the insecurity
32:00
Speaker 1: that Jess is feeling right now and her expressing that
32:03
Speaker 1: to Zach and him being so confused by it and
32:08
Speaker 1: non receptive. I just know that she is probably basking
32:13
Speaker 1: in the fact that the Internet is really supporting her today. Definitely,
32:17
Speaker 1: well yeah, and I mean at the time, Um, either,
32:22
Speaker 1: he's just not that intour, which would have he could
32:24
Speaker 1: have communicated a lot better, but he's not shown any
32:27
Speaker 1: signs of that yet. That wasn't the case at all,
32:30
Speaker 1: which she was like reception, Either, he's not that intour?
32:34
Speaker 1: Was he lying when he said I'm very confident in
32:36
Speaker 1: this and like I'm always I'm thinking about you often,
32:39
Speaker 1: and I think he's just responding in a way that
32:42
Speaker 1: doesn't feel like he's trying to relate with it. And
32:44
Speaker 1: we can maybe end the thought here. But I wonder Ashley,
32:48
Speaker 1: for you, um and you know, for me, I could
32:51
Speaker 1: speak from my experience, but Jess has lacked any sort
32:54
Speaker 1: of intimacy for weeks now, right like she has had
32:59
Speaker 1: no intimacy. She might have had some intimacy see from
33:01
Speaker 1: her friends, like some close connections, some good relationships, some
33:03
Speaker 1: nice conversations, but when it comes to you know, the
33:06
Speaker 1: reason she's there. She has not had any intimacy with Zach.
33:09
Speaker 1: We might see them kissing a few times, but to
33:12
Speaker 1: be honest, group dates are like an assembly line of dating.
33:16
Speaker 1: The lead is sitting in some room and there's somebody
33:19
Speaker 1: talking to him, and then the next person comes in
33:22
Speaker 1: and sits down with him, and then the next person
33:24
Speaker 1: comes in. It's an assembly line. Like there is no
33:25
Speaker 1: intimacy on group dates. It is almost impossible to feel
33:29
Speaker 1: any sort of connection to anybody when it is literally
33:34
Speaker 1: an assembly line of dating, never knowing when that next
33:36
Speaker 1: person's gonna want to walk around the corner and steal
33:39
Speaker 1: you for a second, And so a lot of this
33:41
Speaker 1: for her is you know coming I would imagine and
33:45
Speaker 1: I want to ask you from your experience, from a
33:47
Speaker 1: lack of intimacy, which leads to confusion about where they're
33:50
Speaker 1: at in their relationship. So what's the question? You think
33:53
Speaker 1: it's from a lack of intimacy, So like they don't
33:55
Speaker 1: know each other enough to navigate this argument. Well, she
33:59
Speaker 1: doesn't know. She does know where he stands. He can
34:01
Speaker 1: say he's confident in it, he can give her all
34:03
Speaker 1: the signs. But what she's really asking for that one
34:05
Speaker 1: on one is Zach, are you in this or not? Like,
34:08
Speaker 1: are you are you interested in me enough to have
34:12
Speaker 1: an intimate moment with me, to sit down with me
34:14
Speaker 1: one on one, to be in the same room as
34:16
Speaker 1: me for multiple hours of the day, or are you
34:19
Speaker 1: not into it? And I should just get out of here,
34:21
Speaker 1: because at this point, I think she's wondering why she
34:24
Speaker 1: has felt no intimacy for weeks now, and she's wondering,
34:29
Speaker 1: does Zach just not want any of that with her?
34:31
Speaker 1: That is exactly what she's wondering. Sure, but he is
34:35
Speaker 1: giving her like this weird confidence too, like that she
34:40
Speaker 1: shouldn't be feeling that like the sit down and he's
34:43
Speaker 1: literally like, just why would you feel behind? Why would
34:47
Speaker 1: you feel insecure right now? And he's like, I feel
34:52
Speaker 1: he literally says, verbatim, I have this confidence in us.
34:59
Speaker 1: And then in what is TV just seconds later, two
35:04
Speaker 1: minutes max, he literally goes, I feel there's a disconnect
35:10
Speaker 1: and I don't feel any more sure about this, and
35:13
Speaker 1: I feel nervous, and I'm like, wait a second, how
35:19
Speaker 1: did you go from her walking in the room. I
35:21
Speaker 1: have confidence in us too, To be honest, I feel
35:25
Speaker 1: there's a disconnect in one in which I cannot get over.
35:29
Speaker 1: Wait what That's what's worrisome about Zach is that like
35:37
Speaker 1: he just all of a sudden, like can really feel somebody.
35:41
Speaker 1: One conversation can make him like I'm over it. We
35:45
Speaker 1: saw it with Rachel in the Fantasy Street. We don't
35:49
Speaker 1: know what happened, We don't know what happened there, but
35:53
Speaker 1: he was like so into it, ready to propose one
35:58
Speaker 1: night over one night said woke up and was like, yeah,
36:04
Speaker 1: something happened last night where I don't get anymore so again,
36:19
Speaker 1: as we mentioned two weeks ago, and people responded, you know,
36:22
Speaker 1: in their own ways too. It is now a trend
36:25
Speaker 1: that we're seeing that we want to watch playout for
36:28
Speaker 1: the rest of the season, Like, is this going to
36:29
Speaker 1: continue for the rest of the season. Is this just
36:32
Speaker 1: maybe who Zac is? Like again, we're just trying to
36:35
Speaker 1: get to know him better. Also, does he just get
36:38
Speaker 1: uncomfortable in confrontation And in confrontation he does feel like
36:41
Speaker 1: there's a disconnect because misunderstandings or somebody feeling hurt by
36:48
Speaker 1: how the process is going he can't relate with and
36:51
Speaker 1: as a result, he just would rather say, Hey, this
36:53
Speaker 1: isn't going to work out, and that's how he's going
36:55
Speaker 1: to find his wife is just saying, hey, who's here,
36:57
Speaker 1: who gets me, who understands this, who feels comfortable? And
37:00
Speaker 1: they're going to be here at them. We don't know
37:02
Speaker 1: it's gonna be like wait, is he gonna end up
37:04
Speaker 1: with somebody that he just will never have an argument with?
37:07
Speaker 1: He just they need to be agreeable at all times.
37:10
Speaker 1: I don't know. If I was one of the girls
37:12
Speaker 1: watching his conversation with Greer and now this and just
37:16
Speaker 1: to see how quick he can flip, I'd have a
37:20
Speaker 1: red flag flying. Yeah, possibly, we'll have to see. It's
37:24
Speaker 1: gonna be a trend something to pay attention to. It
37:27
Speaker 1: was definitely I felt like the most dramatic or one
37:30
Speaker 1: of Yeah, I'd say the most dramatic, most pivotal points
37:32
Speaker 1: of this episode was this kind of confrontation with Jess
37:37
Speaker 1: And yeah, I didn't see it coming. I did not
37:40
Speaker 1: just see this response being done. If somebody to me, Okay,
37:44
Speaker 1: we need to close this thought Ashley. But if somebody
37:47
Speaker 1: came up to me, my wife or when I was
37:50
Speaker 1: dating her, came to me and said, Ben, I really
37:52
Speaker 1: want to go on a date with you tonight because
37:54
Speaker 1: I just want us to get away from our house
37:56
Speaker 1: and to spend time together and I feel like we
37:58
Speaker 1: haven't done it in a while, and I really just
38:00
Speaker 1: want to spend more time with you. That's an incredible compliment,
38:04
Speaker 1: Like that's just a really sweet thing for somebody to
38:07
Speaker 1: say to you. Is I want more time with you,
38:09
Speaker 1: and I'm confused on why you aren't wanting that time
38:12
Speaker 1: with me right now. It's a very calming like conversation
38:17
Speaker 1: in my household is we need to go and spend
38:19
Speaker 1: more time together. We need to get out of the house,
38:22
Speaker 1: away from our distractions and go and be like, Okay,
38:27
Speaker 1: I understand where you're coming from. You want more time
38:29
Speaker 1: with me. That's really sweet. Let's go do that. Yeah,
38:33
Speaker 1: so bizarre. Also, I have one more final thought on this.
38:36
Speaker 1: If she didn't leave, here be who would have been
38:39
Speaker 1: eliminated at the Rose ceremony because he has so much
38:43
Speaker 1: confidence in their relationship. I don't know. It's hard to say.
38:46
Speaker 1: I don't know, all right. Finally, he has a one
38:49
Speaker 1: on one with Ariel, which looks like it was squeezed
38:51
Speaker 1: into the week because I think she may have had
38:53
Speaker 1: her one on one the same day as they had
38:56
Speaker 1: the Rose ceremony, just like because of daytime nighttime situation.
39:01
Speaker 1: And he said yesterday, And that makes sense because they
39:04
Speaker 1: had to like cut out a week for COVID and whatnot.
39:07
Speaker 1: That's just a small little observation of mine. Ariel is
39:11
Speaker 1: someone who has flown under the radar. But while watching
39:16
Speaker 1: this and having him talk about Sean Low and like
39:19
Speaker 1: Sean Low, you know, said, Catherine flew under the radar
39:24
Speaker 1: until like midway through, and then I was on a
39:26
Speaker 1: date with her and I was like, oh my gosh,
39:27
Speaker 1: this could be my wife. He brings up this story
39:31
Speaker 1: and I have to say, I see parallels I'm gonna
39:34
Speaker 1: make a bold thing, a bold comment. I think that
39:38
Speaker 1: he's gonna end up with Ariel at the end. Yeah,
39:41
Speaker 1: no way right now? Still, yeah, I don't know if
39:45
Speaker 1: Kat's gonna hang around much longer, because there's probably gonna
39:48
Speaker 1: be some controversy. There's gonna be her disagreeing with him,
39:51
Speaker 1: or there's gonna be some conflict surrounding her and he
39:55
Speaker 1: won't be able to deal with it and he'll eliminate her.
39:57
Speaker 1: That's just that's where I see this going. So you
40:00
Speaker 1: think he even he even previewed it during the cocktail party,
40:04
Speaker 1: he said like, I felt a disconnect, and we know
40:06
Speaker 1: how he deals with disconnect. So I don't even know
40:09
Speaker 1: if she's going to hang around till hometowns. So do
40:12
Speaker 1: you think you would put Ariel above charity? Yes? Wow,
40:18
Speaker 1: So Aero goes to the top of the list right now.
40:21
Speaker 1: I just said I think she might win. My goodness,
40:24
Speaker 1: that is a I know. And I think Gabby might
40:26
Speaker 1: be too. What do you think about their date? What
40:29
Speaker 1: do you think about the date that was set up
40:32
Speaker 1: for Ariel and Zach. I always find it a little
40:36
Speaker 1: odd when we involved nudity on this show, but at
40:40
Speaker 1: least they didn't have to get nude. They just had
40:43
Speaker 1: to sit in a sauna and a hot tub with
40:46
Speaker 1: two an older an older couple who was little nakey,
40:52
Speaker 1: and you know, yeah, it's gonna make you uncomfortable. I
40:55
Speaker 1: know what they're trying to do with it. They're trying
40:56
Speaker 1: to be like, look at this couple. They're so in
40:58
Speaker 1: love and they're so like open with each other and
41:01
Speaker 1: open with the world, and la la la la la. Yeah. Well,
41:05
Speaker 1: for as much as the show said that like wife
41:08
Speaker 1: caring or whatever that was was popular in Estonia, I
41:11
Speaker 1: mean in this part of Europe, right, these are this
41:13
Speaker 1: is a very common, like health practice. It's not odd
41:17
Speaker 1: to be an assana with nude people. They don't see it,
41:20
Speaker 1: you know, as in the same way that we maybe
41:23
Speaker 1: do here in the States. And so, yes, I think
41:26
Speaker 1: this couple is very much in love, very connected, very
41:28
Speaker 1: open with each other. But I also just believe it
41:30
Speaker 1: is a common a more common practice in those in
41:34
Speaker 1: those places of the world than it is here in
41:36
Speaker 1: the US. Yeah. Yeah, So I thought the date was
41:40
Speaker 1: really nice. I think they had fun. I think they
41:43
Speaker 1: had an emotional connection. The only real thing that stands
41:49
Speaker 1: out about conversation serious wise, is that Ariel was like,
41:52
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of times I will kind of
41:56
Speaker 1: mask this my seriousness with humor just because it's like
42:02
Speaker 1: a protection. It's a good protection trait. She says also
42:08
Speaker 1: at the end that she couldn't be herself and a
42:12
Speaker 1: lot of the relationships were that she had in the past,
42:15
Speaker 1: and that she's really not wanting to be alone anymore.
42:19
Speaker 1: She says she's been alone for a long time and
42:21
Speaker 1: she's tired of it, and that's what made her really emotional.
42:24
Speaker 1: Towards the end of the day. She says that she
42:29
Speaker 1: really thinks that Zach could be her forever person. And
42:31
Speaker 1: I know this is crazy, but I think they think
42:33
Speaker 1: they could be it in the end. It's beautiful. That
42:36
Speaker 1: would be beautiful. Well, that takes us then to the
42:38
Speaker 1: rose ceremony. Yeah, as Ashley mentioned, not a shocker on
42:43
Speaker 1: who went home, Jess obviously has gone home, Ali is
42:46
Speaker 1: sent home. Charity already has a rose, and so does Ariel,
42:52
Speaker 1: who's the other one with the rose. At this point,
42:55
Speaker 1: there is no other one with the rose because you
42:57
Speaker 1: remember at the group date, he didn't give a rose
42:59
Speaker 1: because he felt weird. After the Jess elimination. Okay, So
43:02
Speaker 1: then we have the first Rose goes to Gabby, then Katie, Brooklyn, Cat,
43:06
Speaker 1: and Ali is sent home. That takes us into next
43:10
Speaker 1: week Ashley, like every episode we do, I ask you,
43:15
Speaker 1: who is your top three in order from your favorite
43:19
Speaker 1: to I don't know three? Who still is a favorite? Ashley?
43:23
Speaker 1: Top three? Okay, my top three is Aerial winning, Gabby
43:31
Speaker 1: being number two and Katie being number three. Okay, I go,
43:36
Speaker 1: I go Charity. Now, Cat as who number one? Do
43:41
Speaker 1: you think he's gonna marry Charity or he's gonna get
43:43
Speaker 1: engaged a Charity? At this point, I would not say
43:47
Speaker 1: that I think that they're going to get engaged. I
43:50
Speaker 1: still see Cat more of with him at the end.
43:54
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be a rough and wild ride.
43:56
Speaker 1: But right now where we sit in terms of his
43:58
Speaker 1: infatuation and who I feel like has the most momentum,
44:01
Speaker 1: I would go Charity, Cat and then Ariel Probably You're right,
44:06
Speaker 1: Ariel probably have snuck up into the top three. He's
44:09
Speaker 1: obsessed with Gabby right now? Ben sure sure? I mean, really,
44:15
Speaker 1: like we said at the beginning, everybody like I could
44:18
Speaker 1: have easily put Katie into this conversation still yeah, I
44:21
Speaker 1: just put kid into conversation. So yeah, I don't know. Well,
44:25
Speaker 1: first before we like wrap this up, I think we
44:28
Speaker 1: do need to talk about Brooklyn's behavior towards Cat one
44:31
Speaker 1: more time. Okay. So she's having a chat with Charity
44:34
Speaker 1: and it's adult like, you know, she says she doesn't
44:37
Speaker 1: appreciate the fact that she in her you know, that
44:40
Speaker 1: she took Zack away before their day. But then Brooklyn
44:43
Speaker 1: comes in the room and goes, Charity, are you okay?
44:47
Speaker 1: And it's like, oh my gosh, come on now, girl,
44:50
Speaker 1: I get it. I don't like the cat move either,
44:53
Speaker 1: but she is just she's got a thendetta against her.
44:58
Speaker 1: Cat's pissed. She walked away from the situation. She's in
45:02
Speaker 1: an interview, such a kind of kind of she's talking
45:04
Speaker 1: to a producer in another room, and then Zach comes
45:08
Speaker 1: up and then he pulls her aside, says that he
45:10
Speaker 1: feels like they've been off and she's like, no, no no,
45:15
Speaker 1: no, no no, Like I value every moment that I have
45:17
Speaker 1: with you. It's just the group setting is really hard.
45:19
Speaker 1: I haven't had like, you know, time alone with you
45:22
Speaker 1: and quite some time, and I just feel like this
45:26
Speaker 1: is the beginning of the end for them. That's all.
45:28
Speaker 1: Do you have anything else to say about that Brooklyn scenario, Like,
45:32
Speaker 1: do you think that I'm overdoing it? Like, I just
45:34
Speaker 1: think her jealousy is blaring. I don't know, we haven't
45:39
Speaker 1: seen you at this season. I don't have I mean,
45:41
Speaker 1: I think for the first time. I usually I would say, hey,
45:44
Speaker 1: this is definitely not going to end well. But we
45:47
Speaker 1: don't know yet how Zach will respond because we haven't
45:50
Speaker 1: really seen him respond to I guess we did with
45:53
Speaker 1: like the Instagram following him respond to maybe like in
45:57
Speaker 1: house controversy, but he might that Brooklyn is you know,
46:03
Speaker 1: like into him and so protective of him. So I
46:08
Speaker 1: don't have necessarily a feeling on where this ends other
46:12
Speaker 1: than the fact that typically in seasons this never ends
46:15
Speaker 1: well and now and maybe Kat is doing other things
46:19
Speaker 1: that we haven't seen that are really irking the girls.
46:22
Speaker 1: Nobody seems to be totally on her side. Gabby and
46:26
Speaker 1: Ariel were even like, should we check on her? And
46:28
Speaker 1: Gabby was like, it wouldn't be in the best interest
46:30
Speaker 1: of us. So it doesn't seem like anybody's trying to
46:33
Speaker 1: rush your rescue. I am assuming that more has happened
46:37
Speaker 1: than just that steal. But maybe we'll find out zim. Okay, well,
46:42
Speaker 1: are we ready for Bachelor or headlines? We sure are
46:56
Speaker 1: all right? First headline of today, Caitlin Bristows, this is
47:00
Speaker 1: interesting to me, claims Bachelor footage of Zach sick in
47:05
Speaker 1: London was shot in La. This is juicy. I love it. Yeah,
47:14
Speaker 1: and Ashley, you know, read through and explain where this
47:17
Speaker 1: headline is going. But I have seen this headline. I've
47:20
Speaker 1: I've I've listened to the clip. I don't know like
47:26
Speaker 1: what we're getting at. Obviously, if he were we saying
47:30
Speaker 1: he wasn't really sick in London? Are we saying that
47:32
Speaker 1: something happened in London where he couldn't even be there.
47:35
Speaker 1: I don't get what like the outcome is in terms
47:38
Speaker 1: of what is being said, other than the fact that yes,
47:41
Speaker 1: it's juicy and it's weird that she thinks it was
47:42
Speaker 1: shot in LA and not London. Okay. She says that
47:45
Speaker 1: when they show b roll of Zach, it looks like
47:50
Speaker 1: he's not doing too bad, despite the dramatic footage of
47:53
Speaker 1: him blowing his nose. She goes, he's like in his
47:57
Speaker 1: hotel room in bad blowing his nose and he's got
48:01
Speaker 1: a fake little cup of tea. That hotel is in La.
48:06
Speaker 1: She goes, the proof is all in the headboard. It's
48:09
Speaker 1: the hotel that they always put up their people when
48:12
Speaker 1: we do things like final rows or women tel all
48:14
Speaker 1: mental law. That's where we stay in this very specific
48:18
Speaker 1: bed when that has that back. So why would producers
48:22
Speaker 1: do this? According to Caitlin, they must have had been like, oh,
48:28
Speaker 1: we need some b roll of Zach looking sick. So
48:31
Speaker 1: then he's back in La They're like, hey, can we
48:35
Speaker 1: just get you blowing your nose and like holding a
48:36
Speaker 1: teacup in the hotel room. I agree that is definitely
48:40
Speaker 1: what happened. They were like when he was had COVID,
48:43
Speaker 1: they weren't thinking about b roll of him being sick
48:45
Speaker 1: and needing it, and they did they need that they
48:48
Speaker 1: would have a cameraman in the room with him. Well
48:51
Speaker 1: they wouldn't. That was probably why they And I don't
48:55
Speaker 1: even know if he would have had his He wouldn't
48:56
Speaker 1: even had his phone. So what they would have had
48:58
Speaker 1: to do is like place camera or a phone outside
49:02
Speaker 1: his room, have him bring it in. It takes some
49:06
Speaker 1: footage of him not feeling good and which they could
49:09
Speaker 1: have done that, but maybe they just weren't thinking about it. Well. Yeah,
49:14
Speaker 1: and what we saw and the scenes of him blowing
49:16
Speaker 1: his nose, we're not taken from a phone and they
49:18
Speaker 1: were taken by a third party. So interesting. I'd never
49:21
Speaker 1: thought of this. I think last week when he was sick,
49:24
Speaker 1: we did say isn't it interesting how much they still
49:26
Speaker 1: allowed him to be around people even though he was sick?
49:29
Speaker 1: And so that does this does solve that where maybe
49:32
Speaker 1: they shot a lot of this after the fact. Do
49:35
Speaker 1: you think that they didn't want him to have a
49:36
Speaker 1: computer or a phone and that's why they didn't do it,
49:41
Speaker 1: Because I just feel it's weird that they wouldn't, like
49:43
Speaker 1: slip at him to the door. Yeah, it could be.
49:45
Speaker 1: I mean, yike, next internet and reads everything about a
49:47
Speaker 1: season and reads about all the exact all the girls.
49:49
Speaker 1: I did that during my season. That one room in
49:51
Speaker 1: Portland had a iPad it and it controlled the like
49:54
Speaker 1: temperature in the room and the TV and all that,
49:56
Speaker 1: and it had internet, and so I got on the Internet.
49:58
Speaker 1: I researched every single person that was on my seat
50:00
Speaker 1: and everything that was going on, what people were saying,
50:03
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was good or bad, but
50:04
Speaker 1: I did it. Yeah, so yeah, that's probably one of
50:08
Speaker 1: the reasons. Just interesting that Caitlin picked up on it
50:12
Speaker 1: a little bit juicy, very JC. I love it. Next
50:16
Speaker 1: headline is this Claire Crawley responds to Bachelor's Zach claims
50:20
Speaker 1: he wasn't allowed to intervene in drama and the quote
50:25
Speaker 1: here is you don't have to do anything the producers
50:27
Speaker 1: tell you to do, just comes with consequences if you don't.
50:30
Speaker 1: That's kind of what we were saying a few weeks ago. Okay,
50:34
Speaker 1: So in an Entertainment Weekly video that was posted earlier
50:36
Speaker 1: this month, Zach said, when someone steals you and I
50:40
Speaker 1: don't know if I can say all this, but I
50:41
Speaker 1: gotta keep my mouth shut let it happen as much
50:45
Speaker 1: as I can. So there are times when I want
50:47
Speaker 1: to speak a gap and be like, oh yeah, all right,
50:49
Speaker 1: let's go talk. But it's for the environment we're in
50:53
Speaker 1: that it has to be handled by the women. He
50:56
Speaker 1: also said, I think my face gives it away a lot,
50:58
Speaker 1: whether or not I want to be pooled or not.
51:01
Speaker 1: I'm really bad at hiding it, and he's right there,
51:03
Speaker 1: I'm really bad at hiding when I'm feeling I'm like
51:06
Speaker 1: really so bad at it, So I kind of just
51:08
Speaker 1: let it play out and then okay. So that's that's
51:13
Speaker 1: one theory on it. Um. As the lead, I feel like, Ben,
51:18
Speaker 1: you are better to give a response to this before
51:22
Speaker 1: I go into what Claire's response was. Yeah, I mean
51:26
Speaker 1: it's a balance, right, It's a balance. It's a it's
51:29
Speaker 1: it definitely is a balance. However, kind you know we
51:34
Speaker 1: are you are the lead of a season where everybody,
51:37
Speaker 1: the contestants, and you are participating in this experience. We've
51:41
Speaker 1: just hammered that today. And part of his job is too,
51:47
Speaker 1: you know. It's it's what everybody's intention is going in.
51:49
Speaker 1: My intention was I wanted everybody, probably based on my
51:52
Speaker 1: own issues with wanting people to um leave experiences with
51:57
Speaker 1: me and be like I'm glad he was there. I
51:59
Speaker 1: wanted everybody come on my season and if even if
52:01
Speaker 1: they were let go, they were just happy they did it.
52:03
Speaker 1: And so that's how how I navigated any drama or
52:06
Speaker 1: controversy is can we settle this? Can we come to
52:09
Speaker 1: a place of agreement, because I don't want you leaving
52:13
Speaker 1: feeling like this was a bad experience for you. I
52:15
Speaker 1: think I failed with Olivia during that I don't think
52:19
Speaker 1: I did a good job at helping protect her. But
52:22
Speaker 1: for the most part that season, I feel like the
52:23
Speaker 1: women left and we're in a good place now. Zach
52:26
Speaker 1: went into this and his intention that we heard very
52:28
Speaker 1: clearly was he was here because he wanted to find love.
52:31
Speaker 1: Like that, he Zach wanted to find love, and so
52:34
Speaker 1: everything that he is doing is on that pursuit and
52:38
Speaker 1: the you know, we've seen that with you know, the
52:40
Speaker 1: controversy with the women, and so maybe he isn't as
52:43
Speaker 1: interested in entering into drama because he doesn't really focus
52:46
Speaker 1: as much on the experience in general. He just cares
52:49
Speaker 1: about when he's with somebody, are they getting closer to
52:52
Speaker 1: deciding are they the right match for each other or not?
52:54
Speaker 1: So that maybe why he stays out of it. It
52:56
Speaker 1: doesn't intrigue him. It's not a part of his pursuit. Mmmmmmm.
53:01
Speaker 1: And the person that is like kind of being a
53:05
Speaker 1: little bit more produce is probably someone that he doesn't
53:07
Speaker 1: like care to really sure continue with the process. Right,
53:11
Speaker 1: So it's exactly whatever, I'll do this for a show.
53:14
Speaker 1: But Claire is exactly right. What she says, the producers
53:17
Speaker 1: tell you to do. You do not have to do
53:20
Speaker 1: what the producers tell you to do. That's why. Um.
53:24
Speaker 1: In the past I've always said, hey, editing, Yes, that
53:27
Speaker 1: has been a problem for some I won't discount that.
53:29
Speaker 1: But in general, when you blame the producers for making
53:32
Speaker 1: you do something, my response is, you don't have to
53:35
Speaker 1: do it. Now. It does come with consequences maybe if
53:38
Speaker 1: you don't, but you don't know what those consequences are,
53:41
Speaker 1: if they're great or small. You just don't have to
53:43
Speaker 1: do what the producers tell you to do. That is
53:45
Speaker 1: not a thing that you have to do. Well. Claire
53:48
Speaker 1: wrote that underneath a VID that video of Zach explaining
53:52
Speaker 1: why he made the choices he did. She said, you
53:55
Speaker 1: don't have to do anything, you know, with the quotes around,
53:58
Speaker 1: have to do anything on you to do. But she
54:01
Speaker 1: does add just comes with consequences if you don't. Yeah,
54:06
Speaker 1: I mean, we saw it with Claire. She got up
54:07
Speaker 1: in left like a few weeks into her season and
54:10
Speaker 1: had a whole production set waiting behind, and like she
54:13
Speaker 1: just said, no, I'm doing this, sorry guys, and she
54:15
Speaker 1: did it and out it came with consequences, But we
54:18
Speaker 1: ended up getting Tasha, you know, from that, so it
54:20
Speaker 1: all worked out all right. Final headline out today, Rachel,
54:23
Speaker 1: the former Bachelorette, speaks out after Zach shall cross references
54:28
Speaker 1: they're passed again on The Bachelor. I was surprised to
54:33
Speaker 1: see Rachel speak out on Zach after last week's episode
54:37
Speaker 1: because he has been kind of going around still bringing
54:41
Speaker 1: up the fantasy suite or whatever happened between the two
54:45
Speaker 1: of them and there multiple times throughout his press tour
54:48
Speaker 1: being the Bachelor, So I wasn't sure if Rachel was
54:51
Speaker 1: the biggest fan. But she did come to his defense
54:53
Speaker 1: last week when people were specifically going after him about
54:58
Speaker 1: the way that he handled a greer conversation and said,
55:02
Speaker 1: let's all be mindful and extend a little bit of
55:05
Speaker 1: compassion and grace towards the leads of this show. I
55:11
Speaker 1: think that's a great thought. But you know, they are
55:14
Speaker 1: the lead of the show, and so we are going
55:16
Speaker 1: to talk about their decision making and how they're navigating it.
55:21
Speaker 1: That's part of watching the show is fans. But yes,
55:23
Speaker 1: when it comes to personal hits on people and claiming
55:26
Speaker 1: there this and that, and you know, saying terrible things
55:30
Speaker 1: that make people doubt themselves. Not fair, but yeah, of
55:34
Speaker 1: course not. We don't want like the actual bullying, but
55:36
Speaker 1: like what we do here on the podcast, which is
55:38
Speaker 1: critique the episodes and critique some of the moves made,
55:43
Speaker 1: you know, gotta do it these journeys. We're in it.
55:46
Speaker 1: And I am personally actually very excited for the rest
55:50
Speaker 1: of this season because, as we mentioned many times, probably
55:53
Speaker 1: the coolest part about this season is there has been
55:55
Speaker 1: a lack of drama and there is a lot of
55:57
Speaker 1: connections still being formed, and there's a lot of people
56:00
Speaker 1: right now that we could see with Zach at the end.
56:03
Speaker 1: That is exciting and it makes me very intrigued for
56:06
Speaker 1: the next few episodes. We'll be on the edge of
56:08
Speaker 1: our seat. Form Hey, Ben, I have a thought. We
56:12
Speaker 1: keep saying that we feel like a lot of these
56:14
Speaker 1: girls are in contention. Sure, do you think that normally
56:17
Speaker 1: there are these many girls in contention at this point
56:19
Speaker 1: we just don't see it, But we don't really see
56:21
Speaker 1: it because there's more drama storylines. I think, Yeah, so
56:25
Speaker 1: they are giving us the connection that we've been asking for.
56:28
Speaker 1: They really have listened to the fans in that sense,
56:30
Speaker 1: and I have really been quite intrigued the past couple
56:34
Speaker 1: episodes as I continue to be confused where this is
56:39
Speaker 1: all going to go. They're listening to the fans. This
56:41
Speaker 1: feels more like a season from you know, two thousand
56:46
Speaker 1: and thirteen than it does from a season of recent
56:50
Speaker 1: because drama has taken a backseat to love stories. And
56:53
Speaker 1: I think if the fans that are watching it, I
56:56
Speaker 1: think they're enjoying that. I think they're into that. I
56:59
Speaker 1: know I am at least, and so um yeah, we'll
57:02
Speaker 1: be It'll be an interesting end of the season, well
57:04
Speaker 1: until next time. Until next week when we break down
57:07
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