Latest / Finding God at Work / 4: Gentle Political Conversations
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- 0:06(Transcribed by TurboScribe.ai. Go Unlimited to remove this message.) Hi, I'm Chris.
- 0:07This is Finding God at Work.
- 0:14Just a reminder that Finding God at Work
- 0:16isn't just a podcast, it's also an online
- 0:18course.
- 0:19Check it out at findinggodatwork.org.
- 0:27Our current series is Take a Stand, Faithful
- 0:30Political Witness at Work.
- 0:33And in this first section, we're unpacking that
- 0:35word, faithful, looking at four different aspects of
- 0:39faithfulness in issues of politics as they come
- 0:42up in the workplace, specifically looking at what
- 0:45it means to be prayerful, thoughtful, gentle, and
- 0:51courageous.
- 0:53And today we get to gentle.
- 0:56Now, I want to start just by having
- 0:58you think about what adjectives you would use
- 1:01to describe political conversations you have had throughout
- 1:05your life.
- 1:06Maybe political conversations in the workplace, like we're
- 1:08looking at now, maybe with your family, right?
- 1:11What adjectives would you use to characterize those
- 1:14conversations?
- 1:15Maybe loaded, maybe awkward, maybe angry.
- 1:23Gentle is usually not the first adjective we
- 1:26would go to to describe political conversations.
- 1:30Now, why is that?
- 1:32Why is it that often these conversations are
- 1:35not carried out in a spirit of gentleness?
- 1:38Well, it's because politics really, really matters.
- 1:42Matters of justice and injustice, the way people
- 1:45live their lives, the way that public resources
- 1:47are used or potentially abused, all of these
- 1:50things matter.
- 1:51And because they matter, people can have very
- 1:54strong feelings about them.
- 1:55And when human beings have very strong feelings
- 1:57about things, often they fail to be gentle.
- 2:01Okay, so far, so simple, right?
- 2:03This is not particularly insightful.
- 2:05But then the question is, how can we
- 2:10as Christians practice gentleness with our own very
- 2:15strong feelings about political things?
- 2:17Because the feelings are not bad.
- 2:18It's good to have big feelings about big
- 2:20things.
- 2:21But what is bad is if in the
- 2:24midst of those feelings, we are unable to
- 2:26practice gentleness poor to others.
- 2:29So first, I want to just go to
- 2:30a few different verses about gentleness.
- 2:34So the first is from Proverbs chapter 15
- 2:36verse one, a gentle answer turns away wrath,
- 2:40but a harsh word stirs up anger.
- 2:44The second one also from Proverbs chapter 25
- 2:47verse 15, through patience, a ruler can be
- 2:50persuaded, and a gentle tongue can break a
- 2:54bone.
- 2:56And then from Titus chapter three, verses one
- 2:58through two, this is the Apostle Paul writing,
- 3:01remind the people to be subject to rulers
- 3:03and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready
- 3:06to do whatever is good, to slander no
- 3:08one, to be peaceable and considerate, and always
- 3:11to be gentle toward everyone.
- 3:15Okay, so let's pause here and just look
- 3:17at what each of these simple teachings says
- 3:20about gentleness.
- 3:22So the first one, a gentle answer turns
- 3:23away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up
- 3:26anger.
- 3:27This is talking about the relationship between gentleness
- 3:29and anger, and it actually says two things.
- 3:32It says that a harsh word stirs up
- 3:34anger, so we can provoke anger in other
- 3:38people if our words are harsh, but a
- 3:40gentle answer turns away wrath.
- 3:43So somebody who's already angry, if you engage
- 3:45them with gentleness, it can sometimes diffuse that
- 3:49anger.
- 3:50Hmm, interesting.
- 3:52Big feelings, including the feeling of anger.
- 3:54Gentleness can change the situation.
- 3:58That is fascinating.
- 3:59When we think about loaded conversations that often
- 4:01include anger, gentleness might be our friend.
- 4:04It might help us out in diffusing some
- 4:06of the feelings that come up.
- 4:08Okay, what about Proverbs 2515?
- 4:11Through patience, a ruler can be persuaded, and
- 4:13a gentle tongue can break a bone.
- 4:16Now, this is specifically about political discourse.
- 4:19It's talking about when you're trying to persuade
- 4:21a ruler.
- 4:22So the question at issue here is political
- 4:25activism.
- 4:26You've got a ruler, you're trying to get
- 4:28a policy change, you're trying to persuade them
- 4:30of something.
- 4:31How can you do it?
- 4:33Well, this wise proverb says, through patience.
- 4:36And then it gives this more graphic statement,
- 4:38a gentle tongue can break a bone.
- 4:40Sometimes you feel like you're trying to break
- 4:42something, like even break a bone.
- 4:44You're trying to change something that's just so
- 4:46set in place.
- 4:48Well, if you really want to achieve change,
- 4:49you know what you need?
- 4:50You need a gentle tongue.
- 4:53Hmm, fascinating, fascinating.
- 4:54Even in political activism, even in pursuing a
- 4:57policy change, what you need is a gentle
- 5:00tongue.
- 5:01Now, let's keep going.
- 5:02Again, we have some political guidance here in
- 5:04Paul's letter to Titus.
- 5:06Remind the people to be subject to rulers
- 5:07and authorities to be obedient.
- 5:10Okay, so our default option, generally speaking, is
- 5:13that we honor political authorities.
- 5:16That doesn't mean the political authorities are always
- 5:17good.
- 5:17There's lots of teaching and scripture about that
- 5:19too.
- 5:19But our kind of default option is to
- 5:21follow the law.
- 5:22Okay.
- 5:23But it's not just that.
- 5:24It's also to be ready to do whatever
- 5:27is good.
- 5:28So we're ready to take action to do
- 5:30whatever is good in our communities.
- 5:32To slander no one.
- 5:33So that means we don't speak falsely about
- 5:35anyone.
- 5:35We don't accuse them falsely of anything.
- 5:37To be peaceable and considerate.
- 5:40So we're living at peace with people and
- 5:41we're taking into account how other people are
- 5:43affected by things.
- 5:44We're being considerate.
- 5:45And then here's the here's the zinger.
- 5:47And always to be gentle toward everyone.
- 5:51And always to be gentle toward everyone.
- 5:55So that's pretty all-encompassing.
- 5:58So imagine you're dealing with a really tense
- 6:01situation and you feel angry.
- 6:04Is that still a situation where you're supposed
- 6:06to be gentle?
- 6:07Yeah.
- 6:09It says always to be gentle.
- 6:12And suppose you're dealing with somebody who's really
- 6:14being an idiot.
- 6:15Maybe they're saying something that's just nonsensical or
- 6:17even worse bigoted or unjust or unkind.
- 6:21You may be rightly angry at them because
- 6:23of this.
- 6:24And yet even in that moment, is that
- 6:26somebody you can be gentle towards?
- 6:28Well yes.
- 6:29It says to always be gentle toward everyone.
- 6:32Not just toward reasonable people.
- 6:35Not just for people that agree with your
- 6:36political convictions.
- 6:37Not just towards good people.
- 6:39It says to always be gentle toward everyone.
- 6:43And I gotta I gotta take a deep
- 6:45breath here.
- 6:46I'm getting worked up because so often we
- 6:49give ourselves these excuses to not be gentle.
- 6:52And in this moment I need to be
- 6:54gentle with myself and with you as my
- 6:56listeners that God is gonna help us to
- 7:00be more gentle always with everyone.
- 7:04Okay so this is our this is our
- 7:05biblical guidance about gentleness with a few different
- 7:08situations.
- 7:10How can this help us if politics ever
- 7:13comes up in the workplace?
- 7:15Well I think there's a few things here
- 7:17that are really clear.
- 7:19One is that gentleness should be our default
- 7:22setting as disciples of Jesus.
- 7:25It's true that there are times when we
- 7:26need to speak forcefully.
- 7:28It's true there are even times when anger
- 7:30and expressing anger is appropriate.
- 7:32At the same time our default setting is
- 7:35gentleness.
- 7:37Our default setting is a tenderness toward other
- 7:40people.
- 7:41Peaceful and considerate.
- 7:43A gentle answer.
- 7:44Not being harsh.
- 7:46Not stirring up other people's anger.
- 7:48Now this is not the same as being
- 7:49a pushover or simply being silent or or
- 7:53simply agreeing with everything that everybody else says.
- 7:55No no no.
- 7:56Gentleness is about a tenderness toward other people.
- 7:59It's about seeing in other people a preciousness
- 8:02to be honored.
- 8:04And one thing that this accomplishes is a
- 8:07kind of validation of the other person as
- 8:10a person, as a human being, regardless of
- 8:13whether you agree with what they're saying or
- 8:15not.
- 8:16And we can forget this.
- 8:18We often think about this in terms of
- 8:20ideas being exchanged.
- 8:22Political discourse is just idea versus idea and
- 8:24sometimes we don't pay attention to how the
- 8:26ideas are being exchanged.
- 8:28If someone says something to you and you
- 8:30respond with gentleness, that says something about your
- 8:36view of them as a person regardless of
- 8:38whether you agree or disagree with them.
- 8:40It actually is an expression of the biblical
- 8:43doctrine of the Imago Dei, that every human
- 8:45being is created in the image of God.
- 8:48So when we let gentleness be our default
- 8:50in our conversations, all conversations and even in
- 8:54fraught conversations, then we're actually already proclaiming the
- 8:59goodness of God, the goodness of his creation,
- 9:01the goodness of his love and his image
- 9:04in the human being that we're talking to.
- 9:07And so that the how really really matters.
- 9:10You can validate the other person regardless of
- 9:13whether you agree or disagree with them by
- 9:15treating them with gentleness.
- 9:18Okay, now that may be as far as
- 9:20you go.
- 9:21When you're in the workplace, you have to
- 9:23discern how do I respond to this this
- 9:25moment that's happening?
- 9:27Maybe somebody else initiated it.
- 9:29They're suddenly talking about politics.
- 9:31How are you going to respond?
- 9:32Are you going to ignore them?
- 9:34Are you going to engage with them?
- 9:35Are you going to tell them whether you
- 9:37agree with them or disagree with them?
- 9:39There's not necessarily one universal right answer.
- 9:41A lot of things have to be discerned
- 9:42in the moment, but you're gonna get closer
- 9:45to a Christ-like response if however you
- 9:47move forward, you move forward with gentleness in
- 9:50that moment.
- 9:52Okay, one of the options that you could
- 9:55discern in the moment as being appropriate is
- 9:58to seek to persuade the other person.
- 10:01Now again, it may not be the thing
- 10:03that you do.
- 10:03It may be that you discern, we need
- 10:05to change the subject.
- 10:06It could be you need to discern, I
- 10:07need to leave this conversation.
- 10:09But if you do discern, I want to
- 10:11engage with this person's ideas and I want
- 10:13to persuade them of something, then the scripture
- 10:16is also really clear, particularly the Proverbs 25,
- 10:1915, that gentleness helps with persuasion.
- 10:23And I have found this to be true
- 10:24in my life over and over and over
- 10:25again.
- 10:26If somebody is expecting you to get in
- 10:29their face about something and instead you have
- 10:31a gentle response and you're able to kind
- 10:33of paraphrase back to them what they just
- 10:34said to you and you're able to say,
- 10:36hey, if I understand what you're saying, this
- 10:37is what you're saying, do I have that
- 10:38right?
- 10:39And then you're able to say like, wow,
- 10:40I can see why this matters to you.
- 10:42I can see that this is something you're
- 10:43passionate about.
- 10:44If you're able to to love people in
- 10:46the moment, to recognize them, to validate their
- 10:49feelings, even if you don't agree with their
- 10:50ideas, to make it clear that you're actually
- 10:52listening to their ideas and that you're understanding
- 10:54them and tracking with them, it's incredible how
- 10:56much people are suddenly willing to hear anything
- 10:57from you at that point.
- 10:59You could argue a point that's in direct
- 11:02opposition to everything they've just communicated to you,
- 11:04but if you have communicated with a gentle
- 11:07spirit, people will be open to hearing what
- 11:09you say.
- 11:10It's incredible.
- 11:11It's like the jujitsu trick of persuasion, just
- 11:14gentleness, loving the other person, listening to what
- 11:17they say, that opens the door so that
- 11:20you can present an alternative view.
- 11:23Because so often people are used to just
- 11:24defending themselves.
- 11:26Our ideas and our sense of identity can
- 11:27be so wrapped up together that we angrily
- 11:30defend our ideas because that's how we feel
- 11:33like we're defending our sense of self.
- 11:35When we recognize that the person in front
- 11:36of us affirms us, validates us as a
- 11:40human being with their gentleness, it's like we
- 11:43can breathe a sigh of relief.
- 11:44Like, oh, I'm safe.
- 11:46I'm a human being here.
- 11:48I don't have to defend myself.
- 11:49Oh, now we can talk about ideas and
- 11:51it's actually okay to disagree.
- 11:54Okay, okay.
- 11:57So first thing, gentleness is our default option.
- 12:00Second thing, gentleness helps us when we're trying
- 12:02to persuade.
- 12:03Third thing, gentleness helps us and lets us
- 12:07be persuaded.
- 12:10So in our last couple episodes, first we
- 12:12talked about prayerful, then we talked about thoughtful,
- 12:14now we're talking about gentle.
- 12:16And we talked a little bit about off
- 12:18-the-spot and on-the-spot training, right?
- 12:20So you've got to do your prayer time,
- 12:23not necessarily in the moment when you're having
- 12:25a political conversation with somebody, but make time.
- 12:29Be a disciplined person who has time for
- 12:31prayer in your weekly schedule so that when
- 12:34the moment comes you're ready to be prayerful
- 12:36in that moment.
- 12:37Same thing with thoughtful.
- 12:38You can't do all of your political thinking
- 12:40in the moment when you're having a conversation
- 12:41with someone.
- 12:42You got to be taking that time in
- 12:44as much as it makes sense with your
- 12:45personality and the way your mind and the
- 12:48way God created you works to read the
- 12:50newspaper, to understand what's going on in our
- 12:52society, to integrate that with your faith, to
- 12:54consider the questions in all of their complexity,
- 12:57and then to be ready to respond to
- 12:59someone else if they ask a question about
- 13:01those things.
- 13:03So those are the off-the-spot things.
- 13:04We're doing a lot of prayerful work off
- 13:05the spot.
- 13:06We're doing a lot of thoughtful work off
- 13:07the spot, but then gentle is on the
- 13:09spot.
- 13:10Gentle is when you're actually engaging somebody in
- 13:13conversation, but because you're engaging somebody in a
- 13:17prayerful and a thoughtful way because of your
- 13:19off-the-spot training, that also means you're
- 13:21engaging somebody with openness to being persuaded.
- 13:26If you go into a conversation believing, I
- 13:29will not change anything I think as a
- 13:31result of this conversation, then you're not dealing
- 13:33in good faith with the other person because
- 13:35if you're seeking to persuade the other person,
- 13:37you believe that they're a human being who
- 13:40is intelligent and who could consider something new
- 13:43and who could change their views because of
- 13:45considering something new.
- 13:47And you should believe that same thing about
- 13:48yourself if you're going to engage with that
- 13:50other person in good faith.
- 13:52So often when we think about politics it's
- 13:54so combative.
- 13:56It's like we think of who won a
- 13:58debate.
- 13:59But why are we framing this as a
- 14:00debate rather than a joint inquiry into truth?
- 14:05That's another Dallas Willardism.
- 14:07Dallas would refuse to debate people, for example,
- 14:09on the subject of the existence of God,
- 14:11not necessarily politics but other philosophical questions.
- 14:14But he said, but I am open to
- 14:15a joint inquiry into truth.
- 14:17If we engage other people in a spirit
- 14:19of gentleness and a spirit of openness to
- 14:20learning and growing ourselves, then we'll see fruit
- 14:24not only in their lives but also in
- 14:26ours as our views become more refined, more
- 14:29thoughtful, hopefully more prayerful over time, and always
- 14:32gentle.
- 14:36Lord Jesus, thank you that you show us
- 14:38how to be gentle.
- 14:40Give us your clarity in our thinking and
- 14:43your comfort in our feeling that we would
- 14:46be able to minister your spirit of gentleness
- 14:48consistently and even in moments of conflict.
- 14:53Jesus, do your work in us as we
- 14:54do our work with you.
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