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Will Top Rank Ever Attract New Fans? · The Mixed Company Podcast

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  Speaker 1: In this corner, standing at six foot five, weight class unknowns,
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  Speaker 1: but hailing from the city of Sands.
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  Speaker 2: Put your hands together for Jamison will and in this
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  Speaker 2: then in.
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  Speaker 1: At five foot ten, weighing in at pounds and coming
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  Speaker 1: to us from his super secret bunker with no ac
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  Speaker 1: in Tucson, Arizona.
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  Speaker 2: Put your hands together for Luis Montemao.
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  Speaker 1: All right, thank you, welcoming back to another episode of
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  Speaker 1: Miss Company podcast. Of course, on one half of the show,
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  Speaker 1: I'm jameson I'm joined by our frequent traveling co host Louise.
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  Speaker 1: What's going on? Man?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, it's Jamison. I was gonna be back home and
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  Speaker 2: on the mic, I just got back from a trip
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  Speaker 2: to Chicago, and by it's a lot of fun, really
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  Speaker 2: really different extremes, going from walking around in like thirty
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  Speaker 2: five degrees thirty degrees with wind to coming back in
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  Speaker 2: to Arizona and being just one hundred close still I'll
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  Speaker 2: take it. Let's call it like ninety degrees here. So, uh,
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  Speaker 2: it's a little wild, little culture shock. But man, Chicago's awesome.
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  Speaker 2: I hadn't been there since I was like sixteen for
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  Speaker 2: a school debate thing. Uh, so you know, didn't I
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  Speaker 2: was but I wasn't. It didn't really count. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: did a couple of little like debate programs. Is with
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  Speaker 2: this program called oh god, what was the National Hispanic
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  Speaker 2: Institute NHI. So it wasn't just debate, but it was
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  Speaker 2: about like, uh, you know, different ways to like promote
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  Speaker 2: the progress the culture, you know, like how do we
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  Speaker 2: make the Hispanic culture you know, we're prosperous kind of
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  Speaker 2: a thing. And uh so it was like that. So
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  Speaker 2: I went to stay at DePaul University when I was
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  Speaker 2: a kid at Chicago, and I did, like, yeah, speaking
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  Speaker 2: in front of like probably like a couple of thousand kids,
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  Speaker 2: which I didn't realize until I was older, Like people
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  Speaker 2: can't just do that. So it's really cool that, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't very I wasn't terrified as a child to
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  Speaker 2: speak in front of a bunch of pop. Yeah, but
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  Speaker 2: uh that was cool. But it's just it's it's not
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  Speaker 2: the same, you know, now that I'm an adult getting
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  Speaker 2: to roam around Chicago. I tried the skinny pizza and
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  Speaker 2: the fat pizza. So I got to not to explore
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  Speaker 2: Pillsen and Cicero with your areas in Chicago with a
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  Speaker 2: lot of let's say Hispanic people. I don't know that
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  Speaker 2: they're all Mexican, but yeah, we are really cool spots.
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  Speaker 2: And uh yeah, just to really enjoy being able to
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  Speaker 2: travel through trains whenever I go to big cities or
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  Speaker 2: out of the country. It's something I miss when I
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  Speaker 2: get back with Yeah, good time, really cool city. And
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  Speaker 2: I'd be remiss for me to say there are people
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  Speaker 2: that are like, oh my god, Chicago's so dangerous. You
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  Speaker 2: can't walk around. You're gonna get murdered anytime you go outside. Bro.
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  Speaker 2: I saw teenage girls walking downtown by themselves at night.
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  Speaker 2: They're like middle schoolers on the train by themselves. Come on,
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  Speaker 2: stop stop. I mean, of course, of course there's crime,
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  Speaker 2: of course, like anywhere. But you're talking to me like,
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  Speaker 2: you can't go outside, and you're not unless you get
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  Speaker 2: stabbed or you know, get get shot at literal teenagers.
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  Speaker 2: We're just walking around at night, so let's let's let's
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  Speaker 2: all let's all relax, and you know, not talk about
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  Speaker 2: Chicago like it's you know, Fallujah or something. My god,
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  Speaker 2: but anyway, but no network.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's like any of the major See, you're right,
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna have as good parts and bad parts. It's
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  Speaker 1: like anything else. A lot of times you mind your business,
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna be hy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, the older I get, the more
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  Speaker 2: I travel, the more I realize. You see these stories
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  Speaker 2: about tourists going somewhere and you know, ended up getting
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  Speaker 2: hurt or even killed. Honestly, I think it's because a
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  Speaker 2: lot of them show up doing stupid shit and just
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  Speaker 2: kind of you know, like I said, don't mind, don't
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  Speaker 2: mind their business. So you know, if you if you travel,
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  Speaker 2: you go to some place, you know, just just be
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  Speaker 2: be nice to feel be kind to your thing, don't
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  Speaker 2: get into anything shady, don't bother people, and just you know,
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  Speaker 2: go have fun and just mind your business. Right right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: But that was that was the last. This week, we
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  Speaker 2: are back on the microphone for the Mixed Company podcast
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  Speaker 2: and we've got some boxing news to discuss. So let's
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  Speaker 2: dive right into the biggest. I think the most prominent
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  Speaker 2: thing that that sort of we've been talking about that
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  Speaker 2: that has been going on is Top Rank Top Rank Boxing.
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  Speaker 2: They have officially signed a deal with the Zone d
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  Speaker 2: a z N. Some people call it Dazzen. It took
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  Speaker 2: me a while to figure out that it was called
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  Speaker 2: the Zone. I just called it jacs, but yeah, Top Rank.
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  Speaker 2: After they left ESPN there were rumors about them getting
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  Speaker 2: back together. Going back to the Top Rank was like,
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  Speaker 2: we're there. We're exes for a reason. You know, I'm
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  Speaker 2: not going to answer if she calls. It's not going
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  Speaker 2: to be different this time. Let's try something out with
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  Speaker 2: a new shinier promo streaming company. So I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I mean I after Top Rank left ESPN, they were
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  Speaker 2: on TB for a while. I'll admit I will be hypocrite.
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  Speaker 2: I poo pooed it right off the bat. I was like,
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  Speaker 2: what is this ship? Why are they on? What are
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  Speaker 2: these big boxing matches on two B? I came around,
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  Speaker 2: I thought it was you know, I was like, all right,
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  Speaker 2: thinking about it, it's free. Every smart TV help comes
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  Speaker 2: with two B, and if we know that it's going
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  Speaker 2: to be there, then it's pretty cool. With the Zone.
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  Speaker 2: Have never really been super excited about it because it
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  Speaker 2: is a more restrictive streaming platform. It is something you
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  Speaker 2: have to access, download, an extra thing that you have
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  Speaker 2: to get to if you want to watch fights. So
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  Speaker 2: I got a bunch of thoughts on this, but I
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  Speaker 2: just want to see where you stood on this, Jamison,
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  Speaker 2: how do you feel about Top Rank officially being signed
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  Speaker 2: under his owne for streaming?
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  Speaker 1: So it's always good. It's always always good to know
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  Speaker 1: where things are on, like I don't care, what's like
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  Speaker 1: friends having a product and not knowing where to go
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  Speaker 1: find it at Like location is everything. So having a
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  Speaker 1: product but not having a location or outlet doesn't make
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  Speaker 1: any sense of the products amazing that people can't find
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  Speaker 1: it don't matter. So it's good to be able to
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  Speaker 1: know where the fights are going to be at. That's
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  Speaker 1: a huge thing. That's a huge plus. It's part of
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  Speaker 1: the problem, so that's a good thing. Hopefully it is
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  Speaker 1: a long term deal. Hopefully is not a you to
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  Speaker 1: your situation. Hopefully it is a actual pathway to success
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  Speaker 1: going forward. So we got to wait and see for that.
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  Speaker 1: But for the most part, no issues at all. You know,
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  Speaker 1: if you watch box, if you like fights, then you
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  Speaker 1: know that's you're in the right spot. So I like that.
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  Speaker 1: I have no issues with that at all.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, I've got a let's say, a small ish issue,
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  Speaker 2: a little bit of an issue with this is that
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  Speaker 2: you know, we are boxing fans, we know what fights
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  Speaker 2: are coming up. We're in the know and we know
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  Speaker 2: how to seek stuff out, especially now that we've already
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  Speaker 2: seen fights on this own. You know, we've seen pay
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  Speaker 2: per views. It's a well known named US. But form
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  Speaker 2: are casual fan or somebody that you know is interested
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  Speaker 2: in the fight just because they heard about it, or
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  Speaker 2: they heard a friend to tell them about it, just
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  Speaker 2: to go be able to go. So where to watch
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  Speaker 2: it is not the same as it being on ESPN,
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  Speaker 2: which was you know, on every any basic cable package
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  Speaker 2: has it. My personal thing that I've always enjoyed doing
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  Speaker 2: is going out to watch fights. Go into a sports bar.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna grab a drink and find a place that's
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  Speaker 2: playing the fight I want to watch.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: It was always really easy when Top Brank was on
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  Speaker 2: ESPN because every sports bar had ESPN on at least
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  Speaker 2: one TV right now, And even with two B, if
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  Speaker 2: I go to a bar, they're not playing a match.
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  Speaker 2: And if you know, bartender's cool, it's not too credit.
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  Speaker 2: I can ask like, can I put this fight on?
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  Speaker 2: If that's a smart TV that you got up there?
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  Speaker 2: I know two B's on that ship, Like there's every
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  Speaker 2: smart TV comes with to B. So again that made
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  Speaker 2: it a little bit easy for the Zone, you know. Hell,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know that the would like a Buffalo wild
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  Speaker 2: Wings for example, have the Zone subscriptions. I don't know, Yes, yes, okay,
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  Speaker 2: you do. You do know that you do you do
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  Speaker 2: know that they.
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  Speaker 1: Have that right, right?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, that's that's cool. I'll that's not an issue.
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  Speaker 2: But your local neighborhood spot, you know, local sports, where
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  Speaker 2: your local dive. I've watched a lot of boxing matches
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  Speaker 2: at places like that, and I don't know, I feel
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  Speaker 2: like it's going to be harder to find something that's
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  Speaker 2: on the Zone than it would be on ESPN. So
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  Speaker 2: I guess that I'm a little just unsure about what
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  Speaker 2: it's going to look like going forward. If you're somebody
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  Speaker 2: that just watch watches boxing at home one hundred percent
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  Speaker 2: of the time, your fight, you're solid. But there's some
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  Speaker 2: of us that like the vibe of going out to
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  Speaker 2: watch a fight. So I don't know, Well, what's the alternative?
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  Speaker 2: Right If you're telling me the Zone is the best option,
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  Speaker 2: then we're gonna roll with it. If you tell me
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  Speaker 2: they turned it deal from Fox or CBS, hold of
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  Speaker 2: our conversation.
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  Speaker 1: But if that's the best they could get, then let's
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  Speaker 1: just roll with it.
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  Speaker 2: Well okay, so then the alternative was to be which
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  Speaker 2: is easy to find for any boxing fan potential fan.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, they're not making as much money as
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  Speaker 2: they would, but do we want more eyeballs on the sport?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 2: Like it's of course with anything that's give and take,
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  Speaker 2: its plus, it's pros and cons. But I compared to
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  Speaker 2: how easy it is to get to be on any
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  Speaker 2: smart TV, I mean, come on, you gotta, you gotta.
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  Speaker 2: You're telling me that it's as easy to find a
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  Speaker 2: fight on the zone for random you know, uh Sportsman
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  Speaker 2: Bucks Evan.
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  Speaker 1: If because they don't have other stuff too, right, they
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  Speaker 1: have like UFC stuff and other stuff. So I mean
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  Speaker 1: people people who want to know, they'll follow, they'll find it.
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  Speaker 1: I just think whether it's two B Dezone or whatever,
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  Speaker 1: the biggest issue is knowing where to find it. I
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  Speaker 1: think that's the best thing because you can have the
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  Speaker 1: best fights in the world if nobody's watching them and
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  Speaker 1: it on me shit, So as long as we know
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  Speaker 1: where they're going to be at, I think it's fine.
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  Speaker 1: And I think the production is better on his zone too.
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  Speaker 1: I think the productive overall production of a product or
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  Speaker 1: an event is way better on the Zone than to
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  Speaker 1: be in other places, So I don't I don't mind
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  Speaker 1: that at all.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, and I'll I guess, I'll admit there are
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  Speaker 2: other things on his own. I know this, like soccer,
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  Speaker 2: but I don't know a lot else. I mean, the
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  Speaker 2: only thing the reason I knew of that that that
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  Speaker 2: existed was because of boxing. So I actually I believe
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  Speaker 2: it's British. So I'm sure they have like rugby and
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  Speaker 2: you know, lacrosse highlight. I don't know what kind of
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  Speaker 2: ship they have on on the Zone. But but yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I mean I shouldn't say that, you know, I should
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  Speaker 2: give it some credit and not say that it's just
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  Speaker 2: a boxing network. You know, it's got other than that.
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  Speaker 2: I think maybe like F one F one is on
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  Speaker 2: design I believe the yep. Yeah, So maybe I'm being
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  Speaker 2: a little down in the situation.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: Plus anecdotally speaking, you know, I there's a match that
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  Speaker 2: we're gonna that's coming up this weekend we'll talk about
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  Speaker 2: on the show versus Therm and I was actually under
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  Speaker 2: the deppression was last weekend while I was in Chicago.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's not it's it's coming up, right.
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  Speaker 1: They have the ring stuff MGM, I think Tuesday, and
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  Speaker 1: there's other stuff coming down this weekend.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, And I I just thought that I
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  Speaker 2: wanted to watch it, so I thought I was gonna
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  Speaker 2: have to start calling sports bars to see who the
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  Speaker 2: hell was playing it in a new city. There is
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  Speaker 2: always a pain in the ass. I've done that before
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  Speaker 2: and it's I hate it, so you know, kind of
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  Speaker 2: knowing there was a time, and of course it's It
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  Speaker 2: doesn't mean that just because every fight you want to
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  Speaker 2: watch was on ESPN. I'm not saying that. But if
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  Speaker 2: you know there's a fight on top rank, like you know,
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  Speaker 2: you're just gonna walk into any random sports bar in
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  Speaker 2: any city and you're gonna be able to either find
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  Speaker 2: a TV or a bartender who's cool will change the
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  Speaker 2: channel for you. You know what I'm saying, right, And.
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  Speaker 1: But also too, you gotta realize should be changing, man
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  Speaker 1: should be changing. Like, at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 1: here's the thing. We've been through HBO, we've been through
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  Speaker 1: show Time, We've been through the PBC on the networks.
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  Speaker 1: At the end of the day, we're used to adapting.
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  Speaker 1: So it's just what it is. It's good problems and
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  Speaker 1: if all else fails, if you're close to buffalo wild wings,
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  Speaker 1: there's a great chance that they got to fight. It's
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  Speaker 1: like a hands that they're showing said fight. So I
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't trip too much about it.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, And you know, yeah, I don't want to
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  Speaker 2: be the grampy that's like back in my day. You know,
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  Speaker 2: I've just had a lot of you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, technology ain't work tripping over you know how to
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  Speaker 1: work apps and ship it ain't worth it ain't worth
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  Speaker 1: the hassle over.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, okay. If somebody is like, if you're traveling, here's
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  Speaker 2: a there's a little tip for you. If you can
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  Speaker 2: only end up in a Buffalo wild just watch a fight.
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  Speaker 2: Here's a trick. Ask the bartenders where they go to
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  Speaker 2: drink when they clock out, because you know, they're not
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  Speaker 2: hanging out and having drinks a buffalo.
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  Speaker 1: So that's interesting. It depends on the situation in the
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  Speaker 1: city because some people depending on So if it's a
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  Speaker 1: privately owned bar where it's not corporate, it's privately owned,
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  Speaker 1: they have different rules than a corporate type of bar.
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  Speaker 1: So I it's a probably owned bar, you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: kind of all things go. Ye know, once you clock out,
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  Speaker 1: you come across the bar, come across the bar, and
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  Speaker 1: you sit down, you do your thing. And I've seen both.
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  Speaker 1: That's why I'm saying this from experience, That's why I'm
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  Speaker 1: referencing this. I've seen where hey bar taking off at eleven,
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  Speaker 1: they've chown so three am drinking, gambling, doing what they do,
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  Speaker 1: having a good time, basical getting free drinks for four hours.
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  Speaker 1: I've seen that. But I've also seen a GGI Fridays
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  Speaker 1: has strict rules on employee where you can't really drink
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  Speaker 1: where you work at, but we go to the bar
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  Speaker 1: five minutes way. So I've seen I've seen it both ways.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's same. I if you're looking for a
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  Speaker 2: cool place to drink, you know, always figure out where
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  Speaker 2: the locals are gonna hang out, like, drink with the
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  Speaker 2: locals and ask them around that that'll get you to
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  Speaker 2: the cool spots. Bus Yeah, you know, I just feel
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  Speaker 2: that in a new city, if you're for a boxing fan,
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  Speaker 2: especially with pay per view, you don't know who the
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  Speaker 2: hell is going to be playing that stuff, and you
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  Speaker 2: know whether they because because you've mentioned before, if a
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  Speaker 2: bar is playing pay per view a paperview fight, it's
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  Speaker 2: not just the price of the fight. There's like I
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  Speaker 2: see stuff on top of that, right like this, it
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  Speaker 2: costs more.
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  Speaker 1: So it's tricky. Right, So with businesses, whenever they pay
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  Speaker 1: pay per view, it's always a lot more than the
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  Speaker 1: residential So if you and I ordered to fight, it's
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  Speaker 1: like eighty bucks, fifty bucks, ninety bucks. That's it when
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  Speaker 1: a business does. Because remember a lot of businesses charged
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  Speaker 1: for entry or used to charge for entry back in
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  Speaker 1: the day, So like Hooters out here, but buff while
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  Speaker 1: we was never charged, but they would always be first come,
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  Speaker 1: first serve, and you got to be there all day.
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  Speaker 1: So that was always crazy. But a lot of bars
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  Speaker 1: would charge entry to watch the fight because they have
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  Speaker 1: time to make their money back. Because let's say if
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  Speaker 1: it costs two grand just to order the fight, then yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's gonna be what it's gonna be.
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  Speaker 2: They charged that much, like that two grand for a
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  Speaker 2: bar more.
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  Speaker 1: Because it's a corpse. So here's the thing. Imagine if
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  Speaker 1: you had a restaurant with four hundred people that are
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  Speaker 1: able to be there, so imagine how much food and
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  Speaker 1: drink people are ordering for three hours for a fight. Night,
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna make all that back and some but they figure, hey,
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  Speaker 1: it's a corporate account. They know how many TVs you have,
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  Speaker 1: they know how much space you have, so they all
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  Speaker 1: it's a flat fee that they charge businesses because they're
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  Speaker 1: thinking that you're showing it to more than four people.
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  Speaker 1: They're thinking, well, shit, if you're gonna order the fight,
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  Speaker 1: that means you're expecting to make this amount of money,
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  Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera.
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  Speaker 2: I guess it's really fair because if I go out
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  Speaker 2: and if I'm going out for a fight, and no,
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  Speaker 2: it's gonna be an expensive night. So I always prefer
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  Speaker 2: to go out just because then having dinner and drinks.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, they're paying eighty bucks for a fight at home,
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  Speaker 2: but then yeah, I'm I'm putting out like one hundred
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: and fifty bucks and you know, food, drinks cover tip.
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: So so that's that's that's understandable. And I've been to
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: places where their fights and there's like easily like another
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: you know, I get forty fifty to sixty people, So
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: that does make sense. But also at the end of
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: the day, you're like, yeah, you can make all this
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: money back in the fight, but just because a bar
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: can make a lot of mone and he doesn't mean
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: they have to make a lot of money, just it's
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: crazy like something, he can have it off night, you
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. So, but that's the capitalist system
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: we live.
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: I feel like if you're talking to a corporate location
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: and you know that's a say, oh you have you
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: can see the hundred people. I don't know. Man, sometimes
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: it's cold and brady and people don't go out and
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: they don't have a lot of a lot of business
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: like that sucks.
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, here's the thing. You got to realize
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: things have also changed too, because it's not the same.
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know much about UFC, so I can't speak
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: on that, but I do know when it comes to
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: you know, back in the day when we had like
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: big fight nights, if you had, I know, Direct TV
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: would always charge their corporate customers certain amount. But when
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: you think about you break it down, if you're able
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: to hold three hundred people or you know, let's say
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: you're able to put three hundred people in your establishment,
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: each person is pro probably going to order between forty
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: and fifty bucks worth of stuff on average. All right,
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: So by that alone, you're fine, like you're more and more,
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: and that's just people who are there and they're talking
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: about takeout, not talking about everything else. Like on average,
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: you got the run of people spending fifty bucks minimum.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: You're doing all right, that's fair.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: And then there are people that go out who don't
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: care about fight night and they're just there to have
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: a drinking dinner anyway.
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: So that's right.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right, I got you, I got you. Yeah, And
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: I guess part of me, this whole episode so far,
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: part of me is just kind of being like, well,
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: I understand things change, I underthink understand things. You know,
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: technology changes, streaming is a whole thing. I just worry
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: about the small, locally owned kind of you know, neighborhood
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: sports bars, like are they going to be able to
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: keep up with all of this stuff? You know, I'm
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: not worried about Daan Buffalo Wild Wings, you know, you know,
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: paying the bills at all. I don't even I don't
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: care whether they stay open or closed. Honestly, I'm just
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: thinking about the small neighborhood places that I've been to
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: and I've watched fights at. Is gonna be harder for
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: them to to play a fight to get people to
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: come in. I don't know.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: I mean there is there's a time where smart TV's
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: was cutting edge and when that was a new thing,
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: and people have adapted. Like I personally think they'll be
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: cool because there's oil to me events, it's not. It's
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: not like it's a one off. It's gonna be a constant
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: thing so over time, it's like anything else, like oh,
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: weeple want to watch all? I bet that's It's just
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: how it goes. This is how it goes.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: I got you. Yeah, if I got to go to
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: my local dives and be like, look, I know you've
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: never heard of de Zot, but I promise you like
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: this is the thing now. This isn't like if you
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: want to play bossing, I know you used to be
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: able to, but now it's harder. Like listen, man, there's
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: like just old old drunk guy chugging whiskey outs and
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: be like who's own the bars is the seventies and
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: be like, oh fine, I guess whatever does does what.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: I'm sure I'm gonna run into that. But if I
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: want to be a boxing ambassador for this podcast, I
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: need to do it for my town as well.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: If they.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: But yeah, so I mean I kind of see it.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: It's it's I see pros and cons that I could
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: see it going either way.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: At the end of the day.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: Here's the thing, do you know you can Top rank
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: has gotten a lot of heat for you know, not
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: putting another fights. The ESPN thing was like, uh oh,
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: they weren't making enough of the good fights this or that.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: You know, I'll I won't get into it, and that
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: that's a whole other conversation. I will give it credit
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: for being able to consistently find top rank fights pretty
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: much anywhere. Anytime I wanted to see top rank it
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: was really easy. And that's the biggest thing is for
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: me is access. You know, if as long as people
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: don't lose access, I'm cool. I'm cool too. So let's
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: see what happens, and let's see, you know, let's see
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: what happens after you know, ninety three ninety something, you
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: old Bob Aeron is no longer with top rank and
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: maybe honestly that's man.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: Look I think so it's like everything else, right, box
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: has been ran by the same people for years foreverybody,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: it seems, right, Bob Erman, Don King and all the
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: powers that be are still well, not Don Kanin anymore,
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: but the powers that be have been running boxing forever
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: up until recently with the guys from Saudi and you
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: know other people involved. Everything adapts, and I think right now,
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: when it comes to sports in general, everything's to the
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: highest dollars. So whoever has the opportunity to bring around
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: the most profitable situation win. So I think that the
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: days of HBO being on boxing for forty years, that's out.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: We'll never see that again. They'll never be one company
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: that holds something for that long. It doesn't happen that.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: We don't live in that kind of world no more.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: I think we have to get used to extreme change
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: where the next year and a half might be on
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: his own, it might be on Paramount Plus. In two years,
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: it might be on ESPN Plus, in four it might
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: be in Amazon. Like there's so many things that go
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: on because there's always people looking for live content and
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: you never know who views what most valuable and most important,
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: so things are ever changing when it comes to boxing.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: It also on't surprised me if some boxing on a
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: few networks not just one, Like if Top Rank has
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: a deal for their main fights for the Zone and
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: then it has Amazon for the next year fight, it
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: wouldn't spobbly that either. I think you're going to see
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: widespread fights all over the place eventually.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: That's also a very good point. I guess I'm kind
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: of suffering from recency bias because Top Rank left ESPN.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: They were on two B for like, god, what like
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: six months, eight months or something like that, But who's
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: to say how long? Yeah, it could be a year,
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: a couple year contract and where, oh where was Top
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: Rank before because they were on ESPN for a long time,
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: then they that contract and then they came back, right
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: where was Do you remember where Top Rank was before
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: ESPN the most recent time.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: On ESPN forever?
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I feel like there was yet. I could
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: be mistaken with somebody else, but I feel like there
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: was like a like a couple of years when they
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: were not under contract with ESPN. I guess I'll quote.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: Me on that, but well, I remember flight Light Fights
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: has always been on ESPN, and that's been there forever
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: now in terms of table now because they've always had HBO, like, yeah,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: it's always been a mixture when it's come to the
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: cable channels too, So I don't think it was any
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: off top I don't remember, but I don't think there
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: was another channel beside the ESPN.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, and I'm and here my brain is much
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: my brain has been has been must from all of
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: the old style of milort that I drank, so it
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: would hold me to this. But I might be getting
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: my my facts here confused. I think it was that
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: esp replaced Top Break with Friday night Fights, that they
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: were running something like that. I'm not entirely sure, but anyway, sorry,
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: that's that's neither here nor there. The point that I
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: was making is that you're right, we have to be
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: ready for changes in homes and you know, change things
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: jumping around. Plus, yeah, I compare it to just like
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: any studios. I was at the movies, you know, watching
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: that Ryan Gosling Space movie and you see MGM and
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: then it said and Amazon MGM production. I'm like, and
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: I knew that, but it's like MGM has been around
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: for you know, so before we were born for decades.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: Whore we're born. Now it's like Amazon is in the mix.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: Shit like that is happening left and right, and everybody's
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: buying up everybody else. So like I guess at the
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: end of the day, it's hard to even tell it's
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: it's good. It's like Russian dolls with like who who's
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: streaming on one and known by whom kind of a thing,
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: And that's the thing too. It's it could get hard
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: for for a newbie getting into boxing because you've got
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: promotion companies versus streaming companies. So Top Rank and Golden
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: Boy are signed with his own, which is not a
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: boxing company, you know what I mean?
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, I agree, I agree. But it was
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: gonna be interesting going forward because there's a lot like
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: right now we have way more young fighters that are
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: eager to fight than ever before. It feels like we
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: don't have anyone that's like on a long hiatus. Everyone
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: that's active is active, Like, we don't have anyone that's like,
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: I'm not fighting right now. We don't have a lot
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: of that. We have a lot of people who are
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: actively fighting, which is really cool. I don't see a
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: lot of stagnation when it comes to these guys. So
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: there's gonna be a need for having different outlets train
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: for fights, show fights, show market fights. I think as
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: time goes on, as long as there is good fights,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: as long as we have good fights and good matches
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: and rematches all that stuff. It sets up the next
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: deal and the next deal. If you have quality product,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: people will want to see that. The problem with boxing
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: has been we're going back and forth to this. A
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: lot of the products been bullshit because it has been
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: based off boxing. It's been built off other stuff, not
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: the actual product itself. That's why when we see Terrence
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: Crawford fight extremely well in the main events like a surprise,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: because a lot of main events we're not used seen
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: good fights. We see big names, we see flashes, we
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: don't see great execution. So seeing that in the main
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: event is promising because that's been a rare over last
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: decade plus in some cases. So seeing more of that,
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: seeing your career take taking care of business a couple
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: of months ago was a good thing for the sport.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: You need your names to play well and perform well
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: when it counts, and you get more and more of that,
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: there'll be a higher demand. And when there's a higher demand,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: you'll get Amazon, you'll get Apple TV, you'll get ESPN plus,
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: they'll all come to the table. We want to put
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: the product on because they'll be a demand for it.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: But We've had so many main events in the past
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: where it's like, all right, this person's past their prime,
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: they're not fight really, well, what are we doing? What
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: are we doing? Or the one thing I can't stand
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: after every fight that doesn't go people's way, I never
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: watching boxing again, and it's like, no, no, no, that's
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: not how it works. But we can't. We haven't had
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: that in a minute. So I'm glad we haven't had
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: those kinds of fights in a while. But there's a
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: while where that was the never any comment after every
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: big fight was boxing. Is this boxing that I don't
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: like it? Blah blah blah. No not, we haven't heard
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: that in a minute.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: That's right, Yeah, And I think it's it's a little
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: bit of both sides, you know. Yeah, but the producasts
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: have been great, but also fans just kind of poopoo
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: it too much. And I've done after boxing fans on
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: the show many times. I think that they I it's
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: I think fans don't appreciate I guess it's with anything.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: I'll start over, and I'll say this with anything with boxing,
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: with Star Wars, the worst part of all the things
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: I love is the fans to be quite honest with you,
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: but they just kind of like they say they like it,
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: but you know, they seem to only complain about it.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that i'mbout all fans, of course,
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm not putting that on everybody, but there
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: are some people that I'm like, do you even enjoy
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: the thing that you say you're a fan of, because
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: all I hear is complaints.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: It's conditional. I think it's conditional. I think what happens
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: is people won. People will like only when their fighter wins,
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: and they can't appreciate the fight itself or the event itself.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: They're only key done on their actual boxer. That's the
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: first thing. Secondly, and most importantly, when it comes to
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: boxing itself, if you don't a lot of people don't
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: know what they're watching. I'll put it that way. If
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: it's not like a clear knockout or it's not a brawl,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: a lot of people don't understand what they're watching. And
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: that's unfortunate because the sweet science of boxing is amazing.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Seeing someone dominate without having to you know, chaos someone
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: is amazing to see. Seeing someone being neutralized in the
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: third round, And I have anything else to do is
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: amazing to watch live, and a lot of people don't.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: The common person doesn't understand that. I can't explain that
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: to them. Either you get it or you don't.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: No, I agree with you, and you know that's I
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: love a big brawl in a bunch of knockouts as
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: much as anybody. I'm not trying to say that, you know,
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: I don't. Of course, it's exciting as hell, but yeah,
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: I mean that's kind of what I've always said about
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: when I first watched Steve. Of course Stevenson fight is
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: I can't remember who he was during the rona because
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: there were no audience, but he didn't knock the guy out,
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: but he just very clear every single round dominated dominated
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: the opponent. There just had nothing to respond to this
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: kid with. And that's what I was like, Okay, this
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: there's something special about this kid. Let's see where it goes.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: But you know this, then what happened. He spent years
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: and years being called boring. He runs away, he blah
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: blah blah, you know this and that, and just getting
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: you know, never being given his credit in my opinion,
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: But no, I mean I think that, yeah, we're in
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: a good position as long as people keep fighting and
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: you know, not getting into shenanigans or you know, bullshit
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: about whether the fight is gonna be made or not.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: We're going back and forth. You know, we're gonna have
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: some good fights and we're gonna have hopefully new fans.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: Which is a great segue because there is there are
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: two guys that have been going back and forth and uh,
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: bullshitting about whether the fight is or not is going
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: to happen. We talked about the possibility of Ryan Garcia
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: fighting Shaque Stevenson. It turns out that Chaquur has been
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: complaining about the differences in the way and I'll put
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: this one on Chaquur, So don't they but or not
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: to act like I can't. I can't criticize my guys
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: in my favorite fighters. Because co Chakorza was at one
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: forty against tel Femo and he went up for that fight.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: Ryan's at one seven, and so Shakur started saying, well,
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: Ryan needs to meet me and not be a way bully,
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, but that's his weight class, bro, Like
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: what do you what do you want? Like you can't
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: you can't expect him to come back down. And then
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: Ryan Garcia is saying, well, you need to come up
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: to me. But if that's the case, and neither were
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: gonna budge, and that just means you don't fight because
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: you're a different weight classes. They exist for a reason.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: Stop pitching, you know, just don't don't then then don't
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: make the fight. Don't say that you want to make
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: the fight. If that's just if there's that much of
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: a difference between y'all, like, I'm sorry, you can't not
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: everybody could be Bud Crawford and go up through weight
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: classes to fight a dude, to dominate and fight.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, but also here's the thing, how bad do
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: you want it? But at the end of the day,
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: how bad do you want it? And if you want
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: it bad enough, you'll make the adjustments, go get it.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: That's how I look at it, right, Like you camplain
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: all you want, planning ain't gonna do it, ain't gonna
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: help the situation. If you want it bad enough, you
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: make the concessions, you make work straight like that, we
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: ain't got none to talk about. Like, I get it,
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: I get where's coming from. If he's one forty he's
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: fighting a guy at one forty seven, I get it.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: I also think that. I also think that when you
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: want something you're that damn good and you have confidence
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: in yourself, it doesn't matter. Like I think Chakor is
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: a much better fighter, I don't think weight will matter
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: much if they do fight. I get the concerns because
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: obviously your core has a brand and a reputation to protect.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: So I get that. I understand. But if you're better
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: than someone and you feel that you're the best in
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: the sport, as he's basically been saying last several months
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: since Budd retired, you gotta do what you gotta do.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, we've seen the other fighters go up or
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: fight someone a little bit, you know, bigger than them
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: or heavier than them, and this is one of those
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: things where you do what you gotta do, and if
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: you don't want to do that, then find someone else
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: to fight. But we're not gonna go back and forth
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: on this. We're not gonna be talking about this for
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: several months. Either make the fight or don't. But we're
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: not about to harp on this every day. Were not
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: because if you really, if you really say what you are,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: you're really about that life to make a shake.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Well, and in the sense I agree with you saying
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: that you know, if you're if you really want it,
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: you want to you want to show that you're the
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: best as you say that you are. And yeah, I
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: think Chakorda is the better fighter. But at the same time,
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: weight class isn't the thing you can just ignore completely.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: I mean the term that the metaphor you're fighting above
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: your or the saying you're fighting above your weight class
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: or punching up above your weight class was creative for
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: a reason, you know what I mean. It's like and
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: how I have no idea how how hard it is
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: for little guys to to boke up you know, another
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: five pounds that are I guess chikority moved up. It
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: just might not be feasible for someone that's just naturally
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: a shorter little guy. I don't know, but I think
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: I think it's don't don't yeah, don't even open the door.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: Don't even open the conversation if you really can't make
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: the weight class one way or another. And the term weightfully, like,
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: I've never really liked that term because it's like, yeah,
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: people just way more. People just like have more muscle,
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: people are taller, you know, people just carry around more weight.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: That's just how it is. And don't fight somebody if
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: you if you just can't roll with it. You know
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying. It's not a bully, that's a goddamn
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: they're not bullying. They're just fighting at there, at the
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: weight that they're at.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Now, here's the thing. What's the situation with the hydration clause? Right?
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: So if someone's naturally at one forty seven and there's
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: like no limit on how big they could be at
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: the fight night, then I like, I get some concerns there.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: You know, I understand that part. But I don't think
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: Ryan Garcia being the bigger fighter necessarily helps Ryan Garcia.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: Ryan Garcia is at his best when he's athletic and active,
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: not being just a bigger guy. When he's active, when
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: he's focused, I think that's Ryan's at his best. I
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: think Shaquor is really good at just who he is.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Like he can be the lighter guy. He's very active,
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: he's very fast, doesn't get hit. So to me, it's like, hey, man,
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: do it or don't. But we're not again, we're not
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: about be arguing about this. We're not like if you
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: want to find me at different time, that's fine, someone
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: else is gonna fight him. But at the end of
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: the day, make the fights. So we can't have we
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: can't have a whole lot of excuse. Now you're saying
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: Ryan's one fifty four, totally different conversation than No, I
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: wouldn't know. That's that's too much. But seven, that's the
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: natural next step up. Anyway, what are we doing? What
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: we're doing?
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, yes it is naturally, But I guess what
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: I'm getting at is that not everybody can put on
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: weight and move as well. You know Shakur, yes he's
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: athletic at East Fast, but you never know what you know,
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: a few pounds can can do to some Actually you
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: say that we we do know. We've seen it. We've
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: seen people that go up just to the next natural
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: weight class and they just can't can't rock with it
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: because maybe they push themselves too far. I don't know.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, I might be a little too again, poo
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: pooing the potential that shuck course teams and could have
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: put on seven pounds and still dominate. I don't know,
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: but yeah, I mean also also, I am only speaking
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: as a fat guy who doesn't know how hard it
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: is to lose, who knows how hard it is to
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: lose seven pounds and knows how easy it is to
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: get seven pounds is the wrong way?
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: Just what.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: One long weekend in the Windy City eating a shits
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: out of pizza and boom, that's it. I'm ready to
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: increase weight classes like that, but yeah, to actually woke
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: up and make it and then where the weight Well,
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: what I said about Budd Crawford is that the reason
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: I expected him to win against Canelo is that I
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: thought he had the ability to move well, wear the
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: way well, and move well in the ring after going
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: up those weight classes, and he very clearly did. That's
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: not a guarantee for anybody, even for one weight class, right.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: True, very true.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So I don't know there was body.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: But here's the thing that we've seen the great make adjustment,
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: make it happen.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: That's the thing.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: If you're telling me you want to be an all
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: time great, you make that shit happen, right, that's the thing.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: And I sure is not some random guy. He says
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: to himself he's the best and he wants to be
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: mentioned with all the best. Hell, his mentor, andre Ward,
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: has taken you know, going up in weight class to
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: fight guys. So I don't really trying to hear this.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: I really try to hear it. I I'm sorry, I'm
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: not trying to hear it.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm with you. Like I said, I came
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: in this very much saying don't don't do that shit,
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: you know, just make the fighter, don't. So I've criticized
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: Ryan Garcia, critiqued Ryan Garcia, but I on this part
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: of Mike scot Yeah, if you're if you're gonna talk big,
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: gre it out, man, how about this. How about you
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: take some time, you get really really big, you put
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: on some muscle, you eat a bunch of proteins, see
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: how it feels to be at one forty seven, and
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: then decide if you're going to make the fight or not,
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: instead of just going back and forth and you know,
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: complaining about how Ryan is too big and then just
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: don't do it. Then that's that. Then you don't do it,
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: or you do it and you fail and you go
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: back down, which just happened everybody. Canello went up to
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: light heavyweight to fight Peovil, and he never touched that
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: shit again. He never likes that weight class was persona
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: down granda to him, which I understand, you know, but
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: it's it happens. It happens to the best of the fighters.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: You know, you can't even one weight class doesn't mean
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: that you're going to be able to dominate in that one. Now,
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: not everyone is Roy Jones Junior.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: But at the end of the true.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, yeah, I oh,
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: go ahead, go I sorry ahead, go ahead. No. I
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: was just gonna say at the end of it, like,
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: I don't want to hear more bickering between them, especially
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: since we've been talking about how Ryan Garcia a lot
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: of his stuff is uh shenanigans on social media, him
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: just talking ship all the same weird stuf blah blah blah,
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: like leave that behind. Stop. Don't you just had an
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: amazing performance against Mario Badrios like you are poised to
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: People want to see the next fight and see what
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: you look like. Don't get back into what did he
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: just did he say like that that he the budget goes.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: What was it he said about Bud that either he
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: should come out of retirement to fight him, maybe wants
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: to show he's the best or that, and then he
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: he deleted the tweet. All that stuff. I hate all
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: that stuff, because I just care about what happens in
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: the ring.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: You know. Also, you're gonna say something, stand behind it.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: If you're gonna go out, if you're any come out
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: the gate like that, chess out and stand behind it.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: Don't that part, don't say something, and yeah, I don't
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: do all that. You're gonna say something, stay with your chess.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: That part, that part if you're and if you're gonna
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: delete something off off of Twitter because it was offensive
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: that apology because he called somebody something you were supposed
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: to be like bye bad by bad Holy shit. You know,
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: I didn't know that was offensive.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: Whatever.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: But yeah, if he's gone up, But you know, I
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: think it's tough, it's a waste of time because but
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: it's very made it very clear that he is retired
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: and what wouldn't come back for the money. He did
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: a podcast where he said.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: You're getting in abundantly clear. He has told everyone that hey,
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not coming back. I've made my money.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: Now that being said, I know he said he doesn't
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: have a price as a man, I respect his principles. However,
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: if someone offers him one hundred and fifty million, he
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: at least got have a conversation about it. Like if
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: somebody says you got one hundred and fifty million guaranteed.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying he'd come back, but I definitely think
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: you gotta the group. Chet, got to hit up, you
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: gotta talk to you, gotta call somebody, because that's just
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: a lot of money just to you know, Like also,
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: you're never gonna get that money again. That's you know,
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: that's never gonna be a thing. So somebody's offering you
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: that now, you definitely got to consider it. Even though
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: you said this to that and the third one hundred million,
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: undred fifty million man, and there's a whole place to
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: get that at this stage of game.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, I agree with you, and you know, I
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: respect what he said that he doesn't have a price
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: to come back. If there is a number out there
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: that make him change his mind, I wouldn't even you know,
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: shit on him and say like, oh you're you lied,
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: you're a hypocrite ball. But no, no, no, good for him,
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: get the back. But I'm talking about the other fighters
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: that are like, well, I could beat Bud if he
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: came out of retirement. Bro shut up, like tell female
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: calling up, shut up? I don't want to hear it. Yeah,
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: you're talking talk about the guys that you are going
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: to fight in at your next fight, at your weight class.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: We're unretired, Like stop wasting time. Yeah, you know you
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: forget about the switter fingers. Like same thing. If Ryan
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: Garcia is like, oh shit, course too scared to fight me,
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: you know, blah blah blah, Okay, cool, leave it at that.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: Who are you gonna fight next instead? Ryan, Yeah, give
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: us another name, send out another contract, you know, call
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: out somebody else. Don't just beat going back and forth
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: with this. It's honestly, it's it's boring man to me,
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: like as the guy who gets most excited about when
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: the bell rings, all this back and forth is boring.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: It's not productive.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: It's part of the game, though, Like you got to
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: realize it's part of as part of the sport. It's
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: part of it is part of it, and unfortunately we
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: got to deal with it. So all that being said,
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: don't take it, don't don't let it get you like that.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: But with all that being said, these guys are eventually
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: gonna fight. The reason why is because the money's out there.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: The money is good. Right now, we don't know how long.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: We don't know what everything going on right now. No
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: one knows how the Moody's going to be in the future.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: So if you have a good offer right now, you
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: kind of have to take it because no one knows
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: what the hell's going on with everything going on right now.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: So I think you're gonna see a lot more fights
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: being made while things are hot, When the money is
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: there and people are trying to make things shake, that's
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: when we get announcement. So I think we're gonna see
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: a couple of announcement made probably before summer for fights
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: in the fall.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: Okay, No, and I am excited too, Yeah, I'm not.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: I'm not trying to be down on the sport overall.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: It's just like it's it's also too kind of what
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: you said about this is the time to make We're
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: in a good position to make a lot of great fights,
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: put a lot of names out there, get new fans, like,
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: don't mess it up by wasting time being like well,
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: if but On retires like you know, so yeah, let's uh,
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: let's let's focus on the future of what the sport
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: could really be and you know, maybe not bring it
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: back to his glory days. But but yeah, you know,
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: and something that we also got to remember is that
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: this show started based on a prediction between Canelo and
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: Crawford that eventually became true. Right, Like, this is something
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: that that you know, we we want to we we
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: we want to talk about dream matchups that actually could happen,
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: and we want to see them happen. So and yeah,
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: the the back and forth too, the differences that Canelo
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: and Crawford, they were like, you know, sniping at each other.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: It was just like, hey, if you want to do it,
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: let's do it. You know, let's figure it out. And
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: if you give me a contract, good so uh just
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: put put it put in the word again his more
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: fight stanment. We don't want these names going out of
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: uh going out of favor. And then people like forgetting that,
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: you know, who this big class is because especially with
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: with Shakur being like there's a lot of people that
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: have avoided him, but his performance, he should be the
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: guy to beat. There should be people lighting up to
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: say I can get his ass, I could take him down.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: He's not, you know what I mean.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: That's how it usually is like whenever there's someone on
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: top of the hill, that's how normally is. It just
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: sucks because we it feels like boxers are it feels
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: like there's not a whole lot of frism anymore with guys.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: If guys are way too chill for my liking, okay,
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: way too like there's no one outside of Roll, you know,
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: gonna talk. You know, we talk to his talk and
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: I appreciate that, but it does feel like guys are
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: way too chill, like no one's out there actually trying
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: to be like, you know what, but good or not?
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: Budd sorry, good, I'm better. I'm better, Like, let's figure out,
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: but I'm better. We don't have that no more. So
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: like a while ago, ten, fifteen years ago, and twenty
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: years ago, we had more of that even if guys weren't,
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: we had a lot more of that. But I don't know.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: I think a big reason why is guys are getting
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: paid a lot of money, and guys are content. And
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: it's a good and bad thing, right because, yes, you
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: want boxers fairly compensated for their skill set and their
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: their work, so that's a good thing. However, when you
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: get paid very well, you get content and you're like,
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: you know what, instead of having to fight three times
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: in a thirteen more or fifteen month timespan. I can
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: fight twice, make good money and hit like there's so
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: many different variables in it and play. So it's a
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: kind of a gift and a curse. But I think
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: guys are getting paid so well now, especially the headlining guys,
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: that they're not forced to fight as often as they
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: could or even should.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a really interesting point, just overall about how
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: chill guys are. I mean, we had a couple episodes
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: of back we had Legend of Boxing Legends Lounge, and
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: he was talking about how the heavyweight division, and this
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: isn't a total segue, I'm gonna I'll tie it back in,
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: but he was talking about how there's a lot of
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: focus on heavyweight fighters' skills and you know, it used
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: to be about knockouts, and people are missing he said
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: that ferociousness. I think it might be true to say
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: that overall about the entire sport, right like, people are
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: missing that drive, that ferocious that that hunger. People aren't
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: as hungry as they used to be back in the day.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: I think I think and this is this is a
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: personal gripe, I'll admit, but I think fans to get
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: too got up on the shit talking when it comes
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: to like the press conferences and the fights are made.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: Right before the fight. You got two guys that are
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: gonna fight, and they're like, of course talking, so you're like, oh,
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna murder this dude. I'm gonna rip his head
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: off in the ring, blah blah blah blah blah. And
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: then after the fight, the fighters hug and they say,
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: you know, great fight. You know they're they're they're basically buddies,
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: and fans were like what the Hill was thought they
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: hated each other. Very few fighters actually hate each other,
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: like really, some dude, some dude. But it's all for
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: the show. And like, that's not where I want to
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: see people's ferociousness come out, you know what I mean
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: in the press conference, Like I want people hungry to
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: take down the big guy and say, you know, I
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: want that son of a bitch. I want that fight
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: to show him that he's not the best in the
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: world that I am. I think it's a little bit misplaced,
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: but I don't know how you feel about that. I mean,
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: I know whenever I see fighters just talking mad shit
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: in the press conferences, my first thought is, I don't
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: mean that they're just doing it for the for the audience.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: But I don't know, what do you think.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, a lot of is performative. You know, everybody's
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: trying to sell a fight. You know, the more you
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: sell a fight, for more people tune in. I get it, exam.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: We don't have a lot of natural shit talkers anymore. Well,
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: we don't have that. Everything's either manufacturer or it's weird.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: We don't have the guy from back in the day,
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: like I mentioned a couple episodes ago, but our Hopkins
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: literally through the Puerto Rican flag down on the ground
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: in Puerto Rico before fighting Tito. We don't have that.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: That's not no one's doing that in this day and age.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: We don't have that. We don't have natural shiit talkings.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: We have guys that are we have a lot of
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: social media guys. We have a lot of social media guys.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: That's what that's what we have. So it's a little
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: bit different now because yeah, guys talk a lot and
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: they do a lot, but it's via social media. It's
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: not in person. In person, guys are quiet even at
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: the ring walks in the day before the press conferences.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: Guys ain't really chirping like that like they used to
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: back in the day. We find guys talking cash shit,
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: the whole pre fight thing, the whole lead up to it.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: Don't really have that no more. But social media, like
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: you said, you'll see a tweet in the leite, you'll
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: see random captions or emoji or something like that. But
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: the natural shit talking has definitely left the sport for
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: the time being.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, things change. Things are always changing.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: You got a different way to touch shit on on Twitter,
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: on Instagram, and you know, yeah, I I don't love
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: it either. I mean, but at the end of the day, Okay,
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: I'll say this talk is talk no matter how but
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: you're talking, you're doing. You know, it's your Your damn
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: fist is gonna speak in the ring. So at the
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: end of the day, that's what's going to matter to me.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: But I want the fights to be made. If you're
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: gonna talk shit about somebody not being because you're going
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: to send them a contract that you want to get
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: in the ring with them as fast as possible, you
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: know what I mean. I think another thing too about
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: the social media thing is just people are just sniping
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: at anybody like spray and pray. I'm like, why, you
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: know what, what what what do you take that energy
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: and give us a damn good fight and show us
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: how much you how much better you really think you
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: are than chikor or than Brian Art. You know what
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: I'm saying. But that's yeah, that's like I said, that's
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: called more of a like a just personal gripes on
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: on how boxers move these days. Uh, all right, let's
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: let's switch tracks and talk about it an actual fight
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: that has been made that is coming up this weekend.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: What I'm excited about, uh, Sebastan fo Nora versus Keith
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: Thurman or Sebastian fonorra if you're if you're not X, Yeah,
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: I'm excited about this one. I know Keith Thurman his
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: little bit of record, I think it was thirty thirty
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: three and one. I believe it's his record thirty one
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: and one. Sebastian Fanoid is a little bit under that
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: and is in the low twenty so not you know,
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: super big difference in generation any of that. But about Standa,
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: his big thing is he's the dude who fights at
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: light midweight at six foot five, like this dude is
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: just like general, I can't comprehend with the fact that
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: that guy is that tall and still makes that way
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: cup because what is that like like four it's like midweight,
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: So like, how does that happen? Like you do we know,
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: have you ever met anybody that's just like tall It
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: just carries around like that much weight and it's like
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: it's just skinny.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: I played I played basketball for a long time, so
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: I've seen guys that are seven foot two hundred pounds
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: or one hundred and eighty pounds, So it's just it's normal.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: Like I've seen guys six five one, forty five fifty.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: I've seen it. It's kind of now they're not fighters,
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: they're basketball players or track guys, so it's a little
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: bit different. But I've definitely seen it before. Boxing is
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: is tough because your torsula so much that's open that
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: if you get the right guy, if he has the
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: right game plan, it feels like it can you know,
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: it can be a problem. But though that being said,
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: Keith Thurman, he's a guy that went from possibly getting
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: the biggest fight possible to fighting a couple of times
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: in like five to six years, which is very interesting
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: now him being able to headline a card in twenty
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: twenty six. I you know, I guess. I mean it's
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: an MGM, which is still a big venue. But I,
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: like you said, we kind of work confuse on when
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: it was because they're promo last week for it, and
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: I went to day I was like, oh, no, it's
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: next week, and I saw all of people promoting and
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, this is interesting. To be honest with you,
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: I have no idea what to expect from Keith thurmant.
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: I have no idea when you fight that little and
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: that's part of the part of the thing I'm talking about.
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: You can't be that inactive over that means unless you
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: have serious injuries, you can't be this and you can't
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: be this inactive. There's no way.
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm interested to see what we'll saying. I think
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: this is more of a like, let's see if Sebastian
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: Fodor really has it and you know, can just kind
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: of keep making his name. This could be a big
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: start making turn for him. And at the end of
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: the day, I mean, Keith Thurman's like he's also fought
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: a lot of like how much more of a career
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: he had does he have even if he does win
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: this like, yeah, he's I think he's head only because
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: of Sebastian fo Door has a lot of hype. Part
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: of it is, yeah, the the look of him and
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: putting him in the posters next to a dude who's like,
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: you know, two feet shorter than him or whatever. You
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: know that that catches eyeballs. And not to say that
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: he's not a good fighter, don't get me wrong, you
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: know he is, absolutely, but it does come does work
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: well with the marketing. You know, a tidy guy fighting
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: a dude who's six foot five at that weight class night.
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: Uh So I think that, yeah, I think that's what
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: it's more about, is that, you know, let's let's uh,
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: let's fight unnamed for Szebastian funor to to fight. Keep
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: hyping him up as if he doesn't win, which I'm expecting,
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: because yeah, he's he's been more active and he's you know,
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: gugger and just as has a lot more a lot
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: more fight in him. Likely. Uh this could be a
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: stepping stone for being more of a mainstream name, another
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: of the big Mexican names in the future potentially, Uh
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: but yeah, I mean and if there's got a career,
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: you know. He his only loss was to Manny Paciel,
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: which is understandable, it's fair. But and let's not forget
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: the Sebastian is not unbeatable. He has an l on
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: his his record and a draw. It's just really really
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: hard to get on the inside when somebody has that
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: much reach. It's like it's like fighting it damn the
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: ends of the Tucking Trees from Lord of the Rings. H. Sorry,
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: I don't know where that came from. I'm I host
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: the boxing podcast. I'm cool. I'm not not a nerd
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: at all, but but I mean, I'm excited to see it.
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: You know, I was definitely gonna be looking for a
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: sports part in Chicago to check it out.
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: The thing about somebody who's who's very lean and athletic,
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: you know, speed is a big deal. Sebastily for confuses
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: me because you're tall, and like, I don't know what
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: it's like to be that tall. How well you can
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: move and swing again, you can't. It's hard to get
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: on the inside when you have reach. One thing I
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: remember from when I was sparring, I went from a
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: fat guy to to being very very lean. But there
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: was that one period in between when I lost weight
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: and I didn't have a protective layer of fat, and
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: I also didn't build up you know, ABB muscles very well.
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: So anytime I got hidden the body bro I was,
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: I thought I was gonna die. It's the It's the
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: worst of all worlds, is uh, you know, just losing
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: weight without building ABB muscles. Because I think I had
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: like a bruised rib one time where and then I
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: was like, oh it'll go away. I'm cool. I'm like,
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: I'm not that old. Yeah, I know. I The worst
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: part is I kept working out with it and it
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: got worse, and then I was laid up for like
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: a week.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard to breathe me out busting ribs. It's
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: very difficult than it was.
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: It wasn't it wasn't broken. It wasn't but it was
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: like like it was just consistent.
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: It was not regular. It's it's messed up.
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: That's fair. Yeah, yeah, it wasn't regular. It was My
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: dumbass was like, okay, it's it's just it just kind
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: of hurts. Let me just you know, let me take
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: it easy. But I still kept doing, like I don't know,
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: whatever push ups are, sit up whatever the hell I
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: was doing. And then the next day I was like, well,
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: it's about feels the same. Let me keep doing more
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: push ups, set up this and that. Boom, and then
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: I'm like it's just getting worse. Oh shit. And then
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: the fourth day it was terrible, Like it just just
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: was constant pain. But that's a bit of a tangent.
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: But for anybody whos out there, you know, training working out,
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: getting into good shape, don't overdo it, don't overtrain, and
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: they'll be like, oh, it's a little bit of an injury.
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: I can just power through. That could get real bad,
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: really fast. Also also fucked up my ankle because I
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: was like, that's a little sore, but I I could
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: run two miles on it. Idiot.
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: Here's the thing. You can do that at being young,
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: you can definitely do that because you're adrenaline. It's being young.
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: Those injuries come back and hurt you later. So doing
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: that in your twenties is all fine and well. But
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: if you tweak anything in your thirties or forties, man,
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: it ain't it man, it all it all comes back.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: It hurts way worse.
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. Yeah. God, those are the days. Remember when we
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: used to just like sleep for two hours and then
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: get up and go to school, go to work, and
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: we're hungover and we're just like whatever, good so fun.
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: In fact, we talked about bars earlier, right, there was
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: a bar that was basically right across the street from
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: my apartment. Probably walk there if I really wanted to. No,
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: it definitely could walk if I really wanted to. They
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: were privately owned, so I knew the bartender that worked
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: the evening shift, eleven to seven shift, And there were
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: nights there when we didn't get out of there till
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: five am. Well, when you got work and or school
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: at seven eight am, hey man, you take a quick
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: little nap, take a quick a little shower. You just
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: do what you gotta do. And that was life for
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: twenty one years old person and twenty and twenty two
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: and all that stuff.
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I've had more of those nights than I
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: could count. Actually, you know what, I'm not even putting
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: on blast because like he's he he'll tell you himself.
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: But our producer, Jabia Davis and I have had many
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: of those nights or we're just like having a good time.
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: It's like, oh man, work is going to be really
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: really soon we'll be fine. Drink drink a soda and
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: just you know a little bit of caffeine coffee the
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: soda and you know, grab a burrito and man, you
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: can go all day and then guess what happened that
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: night back at the bar at nine pm? Like clockworks right?
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: Oh man, But that's the tell you all, Like, I
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: guess I am a little still, you know, coming back
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: from a bunch up to Chicago, because we're kind of
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: kind of Bobby weeping here. But anyway, yeah, no, I.
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: You ain't got apologize, Just keep you ain't got apologize.
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: No, it's hey, we're having fun here. We're just having
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: a good time. We're not a se shirt podcast here,
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: you know, we're not. We're not you know, we don't
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: have like TV people being like wrapping up, wrapping up.
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: So boxing for hours straight without light mixing things in
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: like boxing talking boxing for an hour straight.
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: It's crazy that that is that is very true. Yeah,
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: so you're you're here for for boxing news, also for
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: sodality and some stories of how how two old guys
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: used to party all the time and then just his
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: naw for two hours and then just crush it. But yeah,
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: you know, I will say though, thinking about it'll go
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: to that trip and how I was with Chicago sixteen.
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: I'm a four year old man. I'm not mad about it, Like,
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: I'm not the kind of was like, Man, I wish
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: I was a teenager again. Man, screw that. Like, I'm
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: I'm happy to be older, wiser. Yeah, a little slower,
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: but teenage years slicker man being twenty in broke socked.
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: But with that said, this week in Sebastian Fandora Versus
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: Keith Thurman Saturday March twenty eighth, check it out. I'm
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: really excited about it, and yeah, we'll see you know,
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: I do think that Keith Thurman's kind of like the
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: Stepie Stone for Sebastian Fandora, and you know, he's got
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: a lot of hype behind him. So let's see how
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: this laky, skinny weirdo does with his career. And I'm
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: excited to see it. But we could wrap it up
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: with that, Jamison, where can people find you? On social media?
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: At Twitter? At that you Jamison's best spot to find me.
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: It's gonna be interesting to see Keith Thurman fight for
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: you know, it's been a while, so interesting to see
• 58:12
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• 58:15
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