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The Line Up: Cop Killer (EP0872) · Great Detectives of Old Time Radio Volume 2|Mystery Audio Dramas

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Now it's time for today's episode of the lineup, The cop Killer Ladies and
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Gentlemen. We take you now behind the scenes of a pully said quarters in
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a great American city. We're under the cold, glaring lights will past before
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us, the innocent, the vagrant, the thief, the murderer. This
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is the lineup. We can sit right here, chilly, right, all
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right, it's all right. They won't be able to see you if you
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identify one of them, they won't know who you are here. Do it
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and just take your time and make sure we've got to have these men.
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Chilly, your attention, your people out there on the side of the wire
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the audience room. May I have your attention? Please? Thank you.
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My name is Grab, Sargeant, not Grab. I'll explain the lineup for
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you. Each of the suspect you will see will be number. I'll call
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out a number, their name and charge. If you have any questions or
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identifications, please remember the number of signs of the prisoner as I call his
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name at the end of each line. When I asked the questions or identifications,
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call out the number if you're sure. I'm not too sure. The
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suspects have him held. The officers who took your name with assist you.
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They're seated among you. Please be promp with your questions or identifications. When
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the prisoners read near they are sent to the bathroom and drifted back into their
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jail clothes. It makes it quite difficult to bring them back after they leave
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here. The questions I asked these suspects are merely to get a natural phone
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of voice, so do not pay too much attention to their answers, as
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they often lie bing on the line. All right, all right, pull
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up to the end of the stage. That's right, keep a moving given
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movie. All right, I'm turning fake sprint and see your size. Look
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straight ahead. Number one Alex pot breaking again, entering readyar Alex n eighteen
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and name on the nine November sixteenth. You've broke into the house of our
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our posts twenty two forty three soft Rockford Street. I didn't say nothing nothing.
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You don't have to in this state outs just breaking in. There's enough.
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Yeah, well, you know as long as they as I didn't get
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time, I should have rung a door, though I did. Number two,
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Peter, but justin narcotic suspect, where do you listing there? D'm
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a hostel of medicine avenue. That's a pretty nice o. Jumpy then nervous.
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I'm working right now, starting stand still. I'm sorry, I'm nervous.
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You got a monkey on your back? No, no, Sorge.
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I put the jumped on a long time ago. Do you know anyone?
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Number three? Nicklas? Gott see it as order the conduct. Watch your
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business, Nicklas, I worked through the STUDIOSI this is your best apastatist.
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Yes, it was pretty drugs. My wife left you run off with a
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guy. He wasn't the policeman, was he? No? You used some
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pretty love rock language on the frome and death. I don't remember. Well,
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watch your language the next time. And some of the boys are se
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number oscar Cook narcotic suspect? What are you Libscar? How about that one,
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Charlie? He's a frame. The pig swipt it on me when he
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picked me up. This is your fair defense is going to be pretty rough.
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It wasn't hard. She the coolest, A big stashed it on me.
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Look who's Carver? Who are pig number five? And a shipper?
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Narcotic suspect? What are you tell me? Six seas two hundred and third
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Street, Where do you work? How about it? I don't know how
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long have you been putting it down? Huh? What are you dreaming about?
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Reached me? It's pretty crazy. Though man, Oh, hello Ben,
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this is Charlie Man. Hello, Charlie. Hi, I'm sorry you
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couldn't identify any of those men who were Take him out and show him the
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mug file. Maybe you can find one of them there. Yeah. Sure,
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I'm going after narcotics. I've been Captain Water's office. Okay, come
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on, let's go, Johnny. Yeah, seven stout linking attention? Are
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units? Are units in the vicinity of forty seven? You want to hunt
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State Street up to eleven and the shooting, so three at ten to more
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units in? No, bim oh Bill? Nice? Yeah, oh boy,
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identify any of them? No, and we'll keep trying. I don't
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have the boys keep calling them in. Charlie can look at every narcotics perspect
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We've got a package on some we haven't. It's a rottenness, yea rotten
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Are you sure this old bunk and identify the three men, Charlie says he
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can. I don't know. He was flopped under the bridge as he heard
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the car pull up and stop, got scared. Couldn't figure it. We'd
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be stopping that late at night and they saw these guys kill Fisher. No,
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no, no, no, he didn't see him killing me hurt the
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shot and looked up. Saw the three men left Fisher over the railing and
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drop him in the river bend. And he could recognize three men standing up
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on a bridge late at night, he says, So, couple of lights
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on the bridge, only twenty feet to the river bend. He says,
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So, I hope he can. I went over and saw Fisher's family myself.
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Yeah, I've had dinner over there. It was a great cook.
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She took it pretty hard, so did his wife, Jane. Fisher was
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a good cup. Boys in the precinct are taking it pretty hard too.
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We'll get the guys. Fisher was going to make the contact at eight to
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night. Yeah, you're supposed to meet a man named Black, Francis Black.
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My department's been trying to bust this ring for a long time. Fisher
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was close Black with a pusher for the step. Fisher got his confidence and
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made a deal to buy ten thousand heroin. Supposed to meet Black last night
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at eight o'clock in the bar, and then Black was supposed to take him
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to the big boy. We had a steak out in the bar and across
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the street. Fisher meant Black all right, they got into the Black's car
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and drove to the river with it. At the ferry, we stick at
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a car on the other side, and they switched cars in the ferry,
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so we didn't catch on until Black's car didn't drive off. Had it all
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set up? Mister Nolan Fisher was a company for Black, met him in
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the bar and what about Black? Then his apartments take out, but he
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won't show come on in them. Hello, captain, you want to go
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over there now? Ben here, I guess so I've got Charlie looking at
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the MUDs with Sergeant Quine. Okay, well, we'll see you later,
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Bill. He thought we'd take a few minutes and go over and see the
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Fisher's family. It won't make you feel good. Mom Fisher's fed the whole
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apartment at one time or another. She's a fine person. I feel I'm
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not worse if I didn't stop by. Well, yeah, we'll go on
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bring it h okay, Hello Jean? Hello? Then hello man? All
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right, come in, thanks, where's mom the kitchen? Fifteen? Young
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Jeff is dinner back in schools them he's in school. He's already gone before
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Bill can A'm all right, it won't be bad for fire till I get
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lonesome, till I miss him. Just kind of norm now, moms in
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the kitchen, A little Jeff doesn't know he was already in school. Who
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we heard? My time tonight after the's dinner, after we watches television.
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Mom Oh mom, Mom, hello boys, that's you Benjamin and fixing Jess
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something for his dinner. Some cookies too for later. Hope your cookies he
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likes some, wouldn't My two big policemen like some cookies. Well, we
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can't stay long, mom, I shouldn't have to entertain you in the kitchen.
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A little ruffian has got an appetite like you, Matthew. Nobody's got
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an appetite like matt Mamma, it's your cooking, Mom. Yeah, I'm
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a good cook. The men in my family are particular. Jess No.
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Eight, and he's very particular, Jean. It's a fine cook tool.
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I guess we spoil our men, don't we. Jee, I mean,
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look in the ovens and see if my cookies are done? Yes? Do
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look done? Mom? Oh, you have to be going, Benjamin.
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Gee, you take the cookies out of the oven and I'll go with my
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two big policemen to the door. Yes, Bryge, bye bye, plea
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come back. So I'm sure. I'm sure Jee's a good girl, fine
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girl. My son was lucky. What what should we say? Mom?
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Say Benjamin, you have said it without saying it, my two big policemen.
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You have said it. Bye, Mom, Matthew, Mom Benjamin,
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Oh what is it? Mom? A little ruffy and little chet running this
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way down the box. I'll have to hurry and get him a few cookies
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so they can eat them while to watch us half along casting a. Mom.
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Yes, Matthew, God bless you. Okay, Yeah, I didn't
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want to call you about marm And what's the matter. I guess brought a
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guy in a two eleven shooting Francis Black dead. Very fort lugs him.
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I was just going to get that little bump from identification. He's down with
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sergeant Quin. Yeah, let's go getting. Where do you find a body?
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Forty fifteen hundred and eighth Street. Witness say, came out of a
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hotel and somebody opened up across the street with rifles. Man who runs a
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jewelry store. I caught a wild shot in my hip? How was mom?
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Magnificent? I feel terrible. I want to get those guys boom cline.
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Yeah, bring Charlie here, barn something Charlie from something. He spotted
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one of them, that pom lie Sure, he says, this is one
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of'em. I just take it. I'm just gonna call him. That's
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one of'em, all right. That's one of the boats wh pushed that
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guy off the bridge. Here's his package? You know him though, Yeah,
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there's a boat. Let's b I kick thank you? May that boat
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it before? Are you sure this is one of them? Yeah? I've
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seen him clear him and two others. Charlie. Here's look clear, no
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mistaken? No, sure, I mean a lieutenant. That's all right there,
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there's one of them in. I put out a picture. We will
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be in the morgue. Come on, Charlie, We've got another one for
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you. Another word down in the morgue. He was mixed up in.
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It might have been one of the three who pushed Fisher off the bridge.
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Hi, man, lieutenant, the one you just got in George to eleven
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shoot Frances black hairs right a right here, come here, Charlie. Okay,
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well it back Josh sure, well no one well yes or no?
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I think so? You know it's hard to tell with him run and down,
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set him up? Oh y set him up? Joining sure, well,
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Charlie, that's one. Not sure. Yeah, I'm sure we're routine.
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I got a drag that out on Joseph Boger. Well, I if
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Charlie's identifications all right, we've tagged two of them, Bill, Pretty easy
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to figure why Francs Black was killed. The guys with those ripples didn't like
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him getting mixed up at the cop knew we had him spotted, so they
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blacked him before we could pick him up. Yeah, you said that Fisher
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made his contact with Francis Black and a bar? What bar place on seventy
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third Street? Angelous? Who've got a man watching it? Or what about
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the guy who runs it? No record? Name's Angelo Giuseppe. We talked
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with him, showed him Black's picture. I never saw him before. I
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didn't remember him coming in last night. Has he seen the mug on Joseph
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Boger? Not yet? You want to take it over, yeah, long
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shot, But I don't want to sit around and wait. I don't blame
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you. Let me know if you got anything. I don't want to miss
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it. Nobody does. Everybody wants him on this one. There will be
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Friday on CBS. Sure you, Penn, And I thought with some of
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your boys dysloyal. They showed me the picture of some guy named the Vances
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Black Angelum. Yeah, yeah, you were supposed to have bring in my
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prace last night, supposed to have met that couples got killed, but I
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never saw. But how about this guy? Or let me give my glatny
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names. Joseph Forger, let's see Joseph b A Liu tennant. Yeah,
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this one, this one's been in my place many time. Joseph Organ,
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Well, he don't call himself a Joseph both all, I think, Alison,
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And when was the last time he was in, Angelo, or two
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or two days ago? I think comes in once or twice a week,
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doesn't come in once twice a week for about the years, once or twice
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a week. I said, well, how well you know it? Well?
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Not too well. He don't say much, she said, I know
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he calls himself or something. He never said where he lived. One never
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said nothing. No, I heard a couple of guys that call him out
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one time or another. I always said the hollow Allo when he came in.
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It's a good policy. Your customer's name, make them want to come
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back. Look, Angelo, you haven't seen him in two or three days?
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No, but I think probably, And I'm sure he lives around here.
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Why are you sure a guy don't keep stopping into a bar once or
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twice a week or for a year in the evening if he don't look across
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by, you know, you go out of your way to a real classic
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joint. Maybe, but not from my pause, it's nice, it's a
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comfortable. I can't warn my drinks about the class where I ain't got Hi
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Angelo, Yeah, yeah, And this is Sergeant Grab Angelo Illo start.
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Hello, Angelo, Angelo is starting now. There'll be two officers in your
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place from the time you open them a morning to the close at night,
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Sergeant Grab and I'll take over for the day. Tomorrow will be from the
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two others. All right. If Joseph Folger comes in trying to act like
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there's nothing wrong, understand, had to get out of the way, go
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to the back room or something, and we'll try to take him without any
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shooting. Yeah. Yeah, and we'll sit over at that table when this
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beer or something. Okay, that got picked my insurance last tonight. I
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think Boge will show I hope so. Man, the Captain's got a bunch
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of boys out with pictures covering this area for about three miles each way.
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It's a lot of walking. Yeah, yeah, thanks, I'll just forget
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about us, Angel. That ain't easy. I'm gonna try to act like
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it, but that I can bot. What's the time, it's three forty
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spends half this time waiting five o'clock boys. Yeah, there'll be two more
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tomorrow morning. Sure, good night, Angel, good night, good night.
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Yeah. I hate to do that every day. Yeah, yeah,
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I can't think of anything more terrible than sitting all day in half the night
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watching a perfectly good beer go flood. Good morning, Good morning band.
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Three days now, Billy's quite a lasher in the bar to day mess and
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I go tomorrow again. I wish we'd get something. Take it easy,
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Take it easy. How close can you get? Got one identify? The
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other boys have showed Bogs picture of everybody in that area. Nobody knows and
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nobody's seen it. Yeah, yeah, I know, two bad More of
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us couldn't have been the Fisher's funeral. Sure, Mom understood. Then we've
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gone in every not caught accesspect we can get our hands, and we sweated
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stoolies a three day now, we've questioned every hood in the city. We've
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got all the roads covered, airports, bus stations. I wish I know,
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I'll see you later. I gotta go down to the line. Okay,
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then, yeah, get Mat. Just got a call Bulgers in the
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barn. Now, I told client, went to take him till we got
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here. How do we do it? We have more of us, the
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less chance of Bulgars using his gun. Matt cover the yelling. Right,
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all right, let's go Bill, let me go in first. I'll get
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next to one let's see ianking me about thirty seconds. Okay, Oh I'm
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home. Oh I don't I don't bear please coming there you are? Thanks,
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I will bear all fine. Fans, Oh my gosh, what's wrong?
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I forgot to call my wife. She'll kill me. Don't move all
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again? He said, don't move fine, that's let me go. I
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got him? Hey, what is this ill? Where I met it?
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Well? You want the other guy? What out that guy? What are
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you talking about? What we're talking about? A lousy cup killer. I'm
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still going to tell us where he are. No, wait, you got
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ten seconds to make up your mind. Oho, I'll be better make it
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out. Thompson on a shotgun? One Thompson one shotgun? Where's the Thompson?
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Okay, I'll get the shotgun. I'll take it. Okay, how
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watch ammunition two drums for the Thompson six rounds for a shotgun? Sign up?
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Kuh, what's the number? One me? Thompson six seven six one
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two six seven six one two one times shotgun six four five one two eight
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four five one two eight Yeah. Food drums for the Thompson six rounds for
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the shotgun. Okay, I sure have been hopping the last half hour.
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Everybody's been down here. We've got our lead on the third guy who killed
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Fisher. Yeah, I heard some guy named a Shaw. Yeah, this
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is one time I don't mind being busy. We've got the area closed off.
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Two men at the alley entrance, cars at the end of the box,
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three cars on the street. Here. We're sure. We's talk with
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the hotel. Clerk says Shaw hasn't come in yet. Usually comes in between
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seven or eight. Fine, sitting in a loud Do we wait in his
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room? Cape at least seven? Now Shaw's rooms two away, Clerk,
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give us the key to to await. Yes, there you are crying.
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We're going after the room. Shaw comes in and just get behind him,
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follow him up the elevator. Two. Yeah, office called Bolser signed a
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full confession. Bolder and Black were pushing the stuff for shure to fifteen two
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fortune and done this way. Sean Boger met Black and Fisher. I'm a
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fairy. Shaw recognized Fisher as a cap to the bridge, killed him.
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Yeah, oh yeah, away, Bolger still says, Sean pulled a twigger.
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Yeah, hey, come on, let's go take your says man.
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Chop came in and Chop that office, quin Quin. He saw me starting
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up, started shooting. Got him the bushman, yeah right over there.
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Get an ambulances to warn them, and go and tell him and get an
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ambulace. Come on, math Ry, you clerk, stay with math head
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down to hire man. What's right now? I've got around that playe right.
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Must have gone through that door. No no nor no service. Helenna.
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He's going up, yeah the roof, Come on, let's go.
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He can't get off. He's ten stories up. Two boys coming up the
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fire or skating. He's probably waiting for us to come through the store and
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us below go through one at the time. And what about that Thompson that
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will throw slugs all over the city. I won't use it unless I have
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to look at the open. I'll go first, Okay, Man, I
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got him sinn down. Let's go. Bill, he's behind the verbits.
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Do that big listening you will it split off? We got sure? Get
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what up? Oh, Roger, he's coming on, Jolaine, I'm at
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say we are going all right, I'm going around this week. He's telling
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that he's circling like it. Ben Ben, hey boy, h get him
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Ben. Let's get him off the roof. Get out of this quin.
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I should have worn a heavier coat. Yeah, yeah, guy could catch
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you a bad cool up here the line up or before you passed the innocent,
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the vagrant, the thief, the murderer. Listen again next week when
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we again bring you the line up. Hey, I have your attention.
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Please you people out there on the other side of the wire in the audience
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room, may I have your attention to please thank you. My name is
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Grap, so I'll just not scrap. I'll explain the miner to you that
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suspects you. She will be numbing. I'll call up my number, their
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name and John you had any questions or identification, les, numbers and number
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of sign at the end of well. Line up, starring William Johnstone Is,
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Stacy Harris, Larry Dodkin, Janeavello, Luke Cookman, Jack Moyles, Ida
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Reese, Marin At Begley, and Virginia greg A. Line up is produced
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latest adventure of Danny cloverg, a handsome, young playing clothesman who patrols the
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big shots and shoeshine boys. They're Danny's friends, and when a crime is
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committed, they're inside stories. Help Danny l finds a fee for killer.
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hard hitting, factual stories of men and women behind bars who seek another chance
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UP four Bowl they've heard every Friday on most of these same CBS stations.
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This is CBS. The stars address the Columbia Broadcasting System Welcome back. Well.
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This is a good episode for kind of the contrast between Dragnet and the
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lineup. Whenever there was a killing of a police officer, Dragnet and Jack
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Webb always took pains to make it clear that this was not just a case
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of the police being upset because one of their own had been killed, rather
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a criminal that was ready and willing to kill an armed police officer. What
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might they do to actual civilians? No effort at that is made in this
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episode seems a much more totally passion driven effort the desire to get the cop
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killer. Now, certainly both elements are present, I think in real life
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and Dragnet did often include the emotional element, but here that seems to be
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the main driver in the drama. So that's one of the big differences.
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All right, Listener comments and feedback to begin with a comment on Facebook from
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Rosaleen, who said, thank you Adam for wonderful insight in the history of
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police procedures. I regularly listen to Dragnet and the Great Detectives. I have
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a professional interest in recognition, memory and find the lineup is an interesting perspective
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on identification procedures. Before we knew about the many problems associated with eyewitness testimony.
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Face recognition is imperfect, and it's easy to make mistakes with seen and
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recognizing even when someone is viewed briefly under stressful conditions. Memory is also easily
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influenced by the white questions are asked at the time memory is being tested.
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Humans are often inclined to agree with people they respect and consider to be authorities.
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It is now widely acknowledged that identification should not be undertaken by presenting witnesses
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with a single suspect or a distinctive individual in a lineup and asking did he
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do it? To the best of my knowledge, identification now involves showing the
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witness a lineup of people who resemble the suspect in terms of ethnicity, age,
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and asking do you recognize anyone? The case in episode eight sixty the
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candy store robbery represents a clear example of how an innocent person could be placed
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in an impossible situation as a consequence of a member of the public wanting to
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be helpful. Fortunately, the more experience and psychologically sophisticated policeman was not satisfied
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with the evidence from one compliant witness. One wonders how many mistakes had less
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fortunate outcomes. Certainly something to remember, and that, by the way,
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it's the point of another one of our shows, A life in your hands,
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and I think you know and most of the audiences has enjoyed a life
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in your hands immensely. It has an important message about accurately remembering what you
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saw, and just as how cag will tell witnesses just say what you saw,
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not what you think you saw. An episode eight sixty, things got
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into trouble because he saw the car and he associated the car with the person
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he'd always seen owning it. So I think it's some fascinating programs here,
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some even ahead of their times. Thanks so much for the comment. Then
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we have this from podcast Tally from Joan. Hi Adam, I must say,
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I'm beginning to enjoy the new series, especially the supermarket murders. It
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reminds me a little of Dragon That's way of doing things, and I find
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this series very interesting. Thanks you for sharing the show with us. As
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always, keep up the great work. Cheers from Joan in Southern Ontario,
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Canada. All right, well that will do it for today. Join us
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back here on Monday, when we'll bring you the adventures of Frank Race.
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