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Patriots Unfiltered 3/21: Drake Maye or Jayden Daniels?, Recent Mock Drafts, Patriots Dynasty Doc Talk · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 2: The World's a Big podcast.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome to batre Gets Unfiltered. Why don't you run down
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  Speaker 3: the latest moves?
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  Speaker 4: Oh, it's well, it's just one. It's just kJ kJ Osborne.
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  Speaker 4: He's a player. He can play in the NFL, and
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  Speaker 4: I mean.
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  Speaker 5: He can play in the NFL.
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  Speaker 3: You know, first year the quarterback does okay in the
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  Speaker 3: second year, like his coordinator is a guy from the defense, Like, like,
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  Speaker 3: you're not.
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  Speaker 5: Allowed to do that after the way you talked, allowed
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  Speaker 5: to make those kind of you? Thanks, I.
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  Speaker 3: So you're into May.
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  Speaker 5: Just yeah, it's got to be May. It's gotta be mag.
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  Speaker 4: He's just Jalen Ragers are leading the wide receivers. He's
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  Speaker 4: shooting up the depth chart.
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  Speaker 5: Oh my god, Like as.
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  Speaker 4: No, well, I wasn't really listening to you at that point.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know what you're saying.
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  Speaker 3: Superpowers that he's made some of those.
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  Speaker 6: Oh he's always working, Blue, He's always working.
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  Speaker 5: I was gonna say something really smart and then you
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  Speaker 5: just had to do that, all right.
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  Speaker 3: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Thursday here
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  Speaker 3: at Jillette Stadium. It's Deuce, it's Alex, it's Evan. No, Paul,
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  Speaker 3: it's that annual show March madness. He's uh knee deep
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  Speaker 3: in Miller lights at this point.
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  Speaker 4: Well but it started it but lights. Yeah, right, good,
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  Speaker 4: even he's probably he's about four SIPs in right now,
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  Speaker 4: twelve or five, but we we I texted him at
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  Speaker 4: I don't know ten. I thought he'd already be pregaming,
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  Speaker 4: but Paul apparently waits till the start of the game
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  Speaker 4: before he gets going.
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  Speaker 5: So well, the games are at like eleven thirty, so
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  Speaker 5: I hope along way.
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  Speaker 4: No, no, no, this is his fun day. But loser
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  Speaker 4: is that?
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  Speaker 3: No, See, this isn't loser Palooza. Loser Palooza was when
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  Speaker 3: he would go to some other tournament. It was like
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  Speaker 3: some mid Atlantic tournament that like Delaware was in in
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  Speaker 3: Northeastern and he would do that with his friends. They
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  Speaker 3: would actually travel to it. That was loser Palooza.
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  Speaker 5: Jeez, yeah, sounds fun.
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  Speaker 4: A bunch of your buddies go to some random, yeah
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  Speaker 4: basketball tournament, well not random for Paul it's Northeastern. He
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  Speaker 4: loves it.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I wish that. I I was big into
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  Speaker 5: March Madness as a kid. I you know, fill out
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  Speaker 5: the bracket and you used to have to do it
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  Speaker 5: yourself still so you'd like cross off the teams and
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  Speaker 5: stuff like that. Now it's all digital. But nowadays, like I,
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  Speaker 5: you know, you have to prioritize, like you can only
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  Speaker 5: watch so many sports, like you can't watch all of them.
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  Speaker 5: And unfortunately college basketball with no real rooting interest in it.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's probably why. You know, there's no Boston
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  Speaker 5: based rooting interest.
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  Speaker 4: So it's just we had you mask for a little
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  Speaker 4: bit with like Marcus Camby.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and BC has had their moments, but that yeah,
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  Speaker 5: Jared Dudley, Providence didn't even make it. Yeah, yeah, that's
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  Speaker 5: what they say.
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  Speaker 2: They didn't even fill out a bracket for.
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  Speaker 5: I just I tried. I looked at took one look
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  Speaker 5: at the men's bracket and was like, I have no idea.
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  Speaker 5: I'm literally good, I'm going to be picking based off
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  Speaker 5: of mascots here or something like that out here like.
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  Speaker 4: That one that one. But Nicol had harassed me a
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  Speaker 4: little bit to fill out a bracket. So it's the
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  Speaker 4: office fun.
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  Speaker 3: No one even asked me.
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  Speaker 4: No, well they know you're you're you gotta you gotta feel.
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  Speaker 2: For there wasn't one on your desk, A bracket on
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  Speaker 2: your desk.
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  Speaker 5: No, it's not too late.
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  Speaker 4: We got you. I only did it because I knew
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  Speaker 4: Nico would then have to go through and correct all
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  Speaker 4: of them.
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  Speaker 5: Like okay, good, Like here you go. I meant to
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  Speaker 5: say to her, why didn't you make like one on
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  Speaker 5: ESPN or something that does it for you. She's she
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  Speaker 5: doesn't know, it's just chalie.
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  Speaker 3: She came into my office, yes, and she goes, I'm
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  Speaker 3: handing out inspirational quotes on post its and she.
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  Speaker 8: Just gave me.
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  Speaker 4: When I left, It's like, okay, I got She came
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  Speaker 4: to my desk this morning and goes, did you see
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  Speaker 4: my post it? And I was like no, no, and
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  Speaker 4: then she goes, oh, maybe I dreamed that. I'm like
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  Speaker 4: you're dreaming about Like what? No, So it was inspirational quotes.
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  Speaker 4: I want an inspirational quote.
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  Speaker 5: She's a character. What was it?
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  Speaker 3: Mine was keep being creative? It's contagious.
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  Speaker 5: Oh that's pretty good for content creator. Yeah, I guess.
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  Speaker 3: So I don't know, is she making these up or she's.
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  Speaker 2: Making them up in front of me.
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  Speaker 9: She scribbled something on a post, put it down in
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  Speaker 9: his head. Your smile makes the world smile.
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  Speaker 5: And she keep up.
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  Speaker 4: She's gonna come charging down here in a second, I hope.
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  Speaker 3: So all right, what do we got? Oh?
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  Speaker 5: Not a lot.
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  Speaker 4: The last couple of days. We did talk to kJ
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  Speaker 4: Osborne yesterday. I think, you know, Chris Price asked him
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  Speaker 4: about you know, there's a story last year that he
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  Speaker 4: was in an uber and witnessed a car accident, car
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  Speaker 4: on fire and him and he was sure to you know,
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  Speaker 4: pass credits to some other people as well, pulled this
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  Speaker 4: guy out of the burning car. So he updated that
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  Speaker 4: story a little bit, said, unfortunately the guy lost his
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  Speaker 4: lost his foot. I think I got at his foot
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  Speaker 4: amputated recently. But he's kept in touch with him, and
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  Speaker 4: you know, I think he's a really good, really good guy.
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  Speaker 4: I mean I always they're you know, generally pretty good guys,
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  Speaker 4: but sometimes guys just stand out, seem like they have
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  Speaker 4: a really good presence and seem like they'll bring a
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  Speaker 4: lot of you know, positive energy, kind of like Kendrick
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  Speaker 4: Bourne to the locker room. So we'll see what happens
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  Speaker 4: on the field. He seemed to acknowledge exactly what he
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  Speaker 4: was stepping into here with with the depth chart the
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  Speaker 4: way it is and the uncertainty of quarterback. But he
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  Speaker 4: acknowledged all that, and uh, now, you know it's you
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  Speaker 4: talk to these guys and you kind of root for him.
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  Speaker 4: You hear them, this sounds like a good guy. I
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  Speaker 4: want to you know, I want to see him do well.
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  Speaker 4: So we'll see. We'll get a look at him a
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  Speaker 4: couple of months here.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, that was my biggest takeaway from him was that
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  Speaker 5: he fully acknowledged that he is entering a rebuild and
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  Speaker 5: he knows that it's going to be tough. I think
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  Speaker 5: he called it a grind.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 5: He knows that they're not going to come in here
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  Speaker 5: and when a Super Bowl in year one, that it's
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  Speaker 5: going to be what. It's something that they're going to
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  Speaker 5: have all to be thrown into. So I think that
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  Speaker 5: that's good. You have to have that mindset. You can't
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  Speaker 5: come in here thinking that you're going to be You're
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  Speaker 5: going into something that you're not, you know, So I
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  Speaker 5: think the realism was was nice to hear.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, I just hate the questions like do you feel
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  Speaker 4: like you're a number one? Like whenever you talk, like
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  Speaker 4: whenever someone.
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  Speaker 5: I wish I kind of wish she said no to that.
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  Speaker 5: To be honest with number one, what does that mean?
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  Speaker 5: Let's be realistic, Okay, Like just you are already realistic
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  Speaker 5: about the fact that they're not gonna be like this
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  Speaker 5: great juggernaut team right out of the gate, So let's
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  Speaker 5: just be realistic about the entire scenario. We know you're
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  Speaker 5: a number three receiver, and that's fine, Like you're going
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  Speaker 5: to be a competent number three receiver.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I will say, and Pop Douglas changes number three,
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  Speaker 4: by the way, we can you know. So I got like,
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  Speaker 4: I think Osbourne's going to be two when we've got
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  Speaker 4: a lot of single.
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  Speaker 5: Numbers going on.
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  Speaker 4: But I will say, the last couple of years, you know,
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  Speaker 4: even going into last year, I felt like they kind
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  Speaker 4: of just they lacked that role, you know. And I
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  Speaker 4: know that they still have big needs on the outside,
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  Speaker 4: but at the very least, I look at these guys
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  Speaker 4: and I just I really wonder about Juju and Thornton
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  Speaker 4: and Pop and now Osborne that foursome.
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  Speaker 5: How does that play out?
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  Speaker 3: You know?
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  Speaker 5: I think, I really think you're just gonna have to
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  Speaker 5: bring something.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they just still need that WR one and maybe
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  Speaker 3: even w R two, but they still need the guy.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think that's the thing. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: I think Eving you said, it's just, you know, you
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  Speaker 4: kind of have a waiting spot for for maybe somebody
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  Speaker 4: on the outside because they really don't have anyone right
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  Speaker 4: now that can do it.
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  Speaker 3: But so, who's this guy from Texas? It is like
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  Speaker 3: shooting up the draft.
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  Speaker 5: Now, this is my favorite part.
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  Speaker 3: And somebody is this. I heard somebody say, I think,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, it's Phil Perry that this he might
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  Speaker 3: be one of the top prospects in the draft.
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  Speaker 5: So the Texas has two receivers. Yeah, they have Adie Mitchell,
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  Speaker 5: who's a big outside X receiver, and they have Xavier Worthy,
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  Speaker 5: who broke the forty record at the combine four two
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  Speaker 5: to one forty yard dash.
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  Speaker 10: Uh.
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  Speaker 5: He is very different players like Adie Mitchell is. You know,
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  Speaker 5: I compared him to Michael Pittman junior. He's in that
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  Speaker 5: type of body type, contested catch guy, but can run
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  Speaker 5: routes at all three levels. Zaberworthy is an absolute firecracker,
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  Speaker 5: just a burner all over the field, you know, punt
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  Speaker 5: return type skills with the ball in his hands, joystick fades.
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  Speaker 5: But from the slot, you know, he's a pure speed
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  Speaker 5: slot if you're going to try to put him into
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  Speaker 5: one position. But it sounds like Tyler Hughes, the wide
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  Speaker 5: receivers coach for the Patriots, and maybe Taekwon Underwood two it'
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  Speaker 5: said wide receiver coach. I don't know which one it was.
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  Speaker 5: Was at Texas for their pro day yesterday and had
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  Speaker 5: a meeting with Worthy for a little sit down.
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  Speaker 4: Top they have a high top fade because that might
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  Speaker 4: clarify who it was.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, right, and I have to figure that out, but yeah,
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  Speaker 5: it was. Both those guys are projected picks twenty to
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  Speaker 5: thirty five, I would say, but probably both in the
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  Speaker 5: first round. You don't you don't run four two to
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  Speaker 5: one and usually get out of the first round. That
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  Speaker 5: doesn't happen too often.
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  Speaker 3: Well depends. You know, Taekwon like, it's great to run
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  Speaker 3: a forty yard dead, but can you run a clean
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  Speaker 3: route to get off?
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  Speaker 5: This guy can run routes like this was a guy
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  Speaker 5: that has really good film at Texas for two years
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  Speaker 5: now and Worthy that then went to the combine and
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  Speaker 5: ran the fastest time ever. So he's he in a
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  Speaker 5: different day and age. If you know what's his name,
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  Speaker 5: Al Davis was still alive, and it'd probably be a
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  Speaker 5: top ten pick. I think we've learned a little bit
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  Speaker 5: now that you know one hundred and seventy five pound
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  Speaker 5: speed receivers, you might need to be a little bit
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  Speaker 5: more careful with those types of guys. Yeah, a little
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  Speaker 5: plug though.
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna be speaking to Daniel Jeremiah here in the
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  Speaker 4: one o'clock hour in the side studio for Patriots Staft Countdown,
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  Speaker 4: which we released a new episode yesterday. So I'm excited
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  Speaker 4: to talk to to DJ. I think can I call
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  Speaker 4: him DJ, I'm gonna ask him. I call him TJ.
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  Speaker 4: But I he's just one of the best, and I'm
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  Speaker 4: really excited to, you know, get him. I was telling
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  Speaker 4: Alex before though, like I remember when I lived in
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  Speaker 4: LA when he was first starting his podcast, and it was,
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  Speaker 4: you know, the early days, I mean probably two thousand
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  Speaker 4: and eight, two thousand and nine. Do it from his house.
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  Speaker 4: You could like hear the echo and it was like, man,
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  Speaker 4: this guy knows a lot about football. I mean, at
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  Speaker 4: that point, you knew he was a former scout, but
• 10:07
  Speaker 4: they're excited to talk to him, and that episode will
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  Speaker 4: be up next week. So if any of you guys
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  Speaker 4: have specific questions you want to get to him, let
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  Speaker 4: me know and I will get a So you're doing
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  Speaker 4: that at one, I'm gonna pop out at one.
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  Speaker 5: I have him. I have him Fred from one fifteen
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  Speaker 5: to one.
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  Speaker 4: Twenty eight, as I was told, So I'll make sure
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  Speaker 4: he's out by one twenty eight. I'll be briefly off
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  Speaker 4: the show, but maybe we could be pretty late late
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  Speaker 4: for lunch and limit the time we don't.
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  Speaker 5: Have to dou I mean it's big. I mean, I'll
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  Speaker 5: give you a few questions because you have questions for
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  Speaker 5: Daniel Jeremiah. Maybe you know, just a few. No, I
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  Speaker 5: he's to me is right now the best draft analysts
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  Speaker 5: in the business.
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  Speaker 3: What what do those guys have that the like that
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  Speaker 3: we don't have, Like you have access to all twenty
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  Speaker 3: two you have, Like what are they felt scouting? Do
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  Speaker 3: they have Daniel Jeremiah or Bucky whoever?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'd say that's definitely big. You know, both of
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  Speaker 5: those guys have worked in NFL front offices before. Okay,
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  Speaker 5: and I would say. The other thing is is that
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  Speaker 5: their draft year round, so they're on there talking to people,
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  Speaker 5: they're going to schools, they're they're working with people. In
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  Speaker 5: the fall season when we're watching NFL and we're with
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  Speaker 5: the Patriots, they're at Alabama and they're at Georgia and
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  Speaker 5: they're at these different places, which makes them just have
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  Speaker 5: you know, kind of like Dane Brugler too, I think
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  Speaker 5: is you know one A and one B. With those
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  Speaker 5: two guys, they have such more background knowledge on who
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  Speaker 5: are who are these people? You know that we just
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  Speaker 5: don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I like Brugler's beast, you know, like sounds like he
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  Speaker 3: be a couple of weeks now. The information he gives
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  Speaker 3: you and how he lays them out, it's it's really
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  Speaker 3: easy to follow. You don't have to like a lot
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  Speaker 3: of these guys. And I'll even throw our lads and
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  Speaker 3: there's supplanted what our lads. It's one big paragraph and
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  Speaker 3: you kind of have to find nuggets within. But the
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  Speaker 3: way Brugler, you know weaknesses, he's got summary. You know,
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  Speaker 3: he lays it out really well. He puts a lot
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  Speaker 3: of work into it.
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  Speaker 5: It's too bad it doesn't come out early.
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  Speaker 4: I mean I understand why it doesn't because it's so thorough,
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  Speaker 4: but like you, I mean, and I guess in a way,
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  Speaker 4: I kind of like it. I even like, like at
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  Speaker 4: this point when I've already you know, scoured the internet
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  Speaker 4: for everything.
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  Speaker 5: And watch these guys.
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  Speaker 4: It's like now the draft magazines come out and you
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  Speaker 4: can like, like even when I'm going down the floor
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  Speaker 4: next week, I'm like just grab a draft magazine and
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  Speaker 4: all of a sudden, you know, even those aren't that
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  Speaker 4: expert that's not much expertise in some of those. But
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  Speaker 4: I think his comes out now and it's like, man,
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  Speaker 4: I can't even get through this whole thing. But you know,
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  Speaker 4: you look at some guys that you like and kind
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  Speaker 4: of get his perspective.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, everything is digital now, but back in
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  Speaker 3: the day, you know, when Kuiper started and Joe Bushbaum,
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  Speaker 3: like they must have been like it must have been
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  Speaker 3: monumental to be able to get all the information like that.
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  Speaker 3: It's not. It wasn't all readily available, like it got.
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  Speaker 4: To like track down film or go to games. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, really, Scout, how.
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  Speaker 3: Do you figure out that guy that's in this lower
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  Speaker 3: level conference?
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  Speaker 5: Well, I have that problem right now. Because there's a
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  Speaker 5: tackle from Yale ye with good luck trying to find
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  Speaker 5: Ivy League film. I mean it's like, you know, forget
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  Speaker 5: about it. So the kid from Yale and his best
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  Speaker 5: game is actually against Holy Cross trying to to you
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  Speaker 5: know that still exists in the the All twenty two
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  Speaker 5: is it's a black market. It's not We're not doing this,
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  Speaker 5: you know above board, like this is a black market
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  Speaker 5: of you know, a bunch of us. Are that need it?
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  Speaker 3: Are two guys meeting behind the shaws, you know, exchangers?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean tell him about the article I read.
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  Speaker 4: I read the free portion of that article you wrote
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  Speaker 4: yesterday about was the Draft breakdown or what?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah? So, uh yeah, are off uh hassen. We used
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  Speaker 5: to be with the Athletic I hope I'm saying his
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  Speaker 5: name correctly. And he wrote an article about the Draft Network,
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  Speaker 5: which I remember coming onto the scene at the nineteen
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  Speaker 5: combine was kind of their first big event and this
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  Speaker 5: like crew of like ten people with these like awesome
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  Speaker 5: polos and like the whole look right, come and show
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  Speaker 5: up and there's this new website called the Draft Network,
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  Speaker 5: and it was like I had a mock draft simulator.
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  Speaker 5: It had great, great content. Benjamin Solak who's now with
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  Speaker 5: The Ringer was on their Joe Marino, you know, Trevor,
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  Speaker 5: like all those guys are really are really good. And
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  Speaker 5: it's like a Netflix series of how this thing came apart,
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  Speaker 5: you know, just bad ceo that you know, tore the
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  Speaker 5: thing apart and was spending money to go on trips
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  Speaker 5: around the world instead of paying the money back into
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  Speaker 5: the company. And they had all these lawsuits out for
• 14:19
  Speaker 5: you know, hundreds of thousands of dollars that they were
• 14:22
  Speaker 5: just ignoring, and she would just ghost people and it
• 14:25
  Speaker 5: was it was literally like one of those Netflix series,
• 14:28
  Speaker 5: like true crime series. Yeah, it was wild to read
• 14:31
  Speaker 5: about kind.
• 14:32
  Speaker 4: Of the same thing that happened to Football Outsiders that
• 14:34
  Speaker 4: you know, similarly mis bought by a company, mismanaged. And
• 14:37
  Speaker 4: now it doesn't even really exist. I mean, I know
• 14:39
  Speaker 4: Aaron Shots has taken DV away to another site. Yeah,
• 14:42
  Speaker 4: and he still releases it there, but it's still.
• 14:43
  Speaker 5: Not as I was thinking that.
• 14:46
  Speaker 3: The time might be right for the next iteration of
• 14:49
  Speaker 3: Pro Football Talk. You know, when Pro Football Talk first started,
• 14:53
  Speaker 3: it was pretty good, like he you know, Mike was independent,
• 14:58
  Speaker 3: he had some good stuff and you know, teams were
• 15:01
  Speaker 3: paying attention. And then he got bought by NBC and
• 15:04
  Speaker 3: it kind of took the edge off of it.
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 15:07
  Speaker 3: Prior to him, it was this guy who got thrown
• 15:10
  Speaker 3: in jail. I forget his fred fred Edelstein. I don't
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: know if you remember, but he would have this is
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: back with fax machines and so you would subscribe to
• 15:19
  Speaker 3: fred Edelstein's newsletter and Tuesday in your fax machine, the
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: newsletter would come and the teams would you know, and
• 15:26
  Speaker 3: he would throw s against the wall sometimes, but everybody
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: read him.
• 15:31
  Speaker 5: Now he ended up in jail.
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think now there might be an opening
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: for you know again another NFL gossip rag, you know,
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: digital that everyone would read if they do it right.
• 15:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the Dragon, believe it or not.
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: Teams want to talk to those people off the record.
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: They want to get stuff out there.
• 15:54
  Speaker 5: It's hard with with like you said, with him being
• 15:55
  Speaker 5: with NBC.
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: Now he's got a big platform, he's got a lot
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: of relationships. And I remember, I mean even going back
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: to what I was saying about DJ and those you know,
• 16:02
  Speaker 4: two thousand and seven, two thousand and eight, those days
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: of yeah, when pro football talk was just yeah, I mean,
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: that was like one of your main screens when you
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: opened open your webine two.
• 16:10
  Speaker 9: Where like the comment sections were like little ecosystems of
• 16:14
  Speaker 9: their own before like the Internet comment tales exactly, pft
• 16:18
  Speaker 9: comment or literally got his start, in my mind, one
• 16:22
  Speaker 9: of like the best funniest personalities literally gotten to start commenting.
• 16:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah on Reddit.
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: Mina's Reddit stuff was good because she was a financial writer.
• 16:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, she really good. She got discovered by Matthew Berry
• 16:36
  Speaker 5: on Reddit.
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah. But pro football talk now is more commenting on
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: other reports or him giving an opinion on something.
• 16:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: It used to be where they'd get stuff, they'd get
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: scoops and it's like the dirt, and you know, I
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: think the league needs that type of repository for that
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: type of stuff.
• 16:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know. Yeah. The Draft network I thought was
• 16:58
  Speaker 5: so such a cool concept and such a yeah well done,
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: and it was you know, the whole thing that the
• 17:02
  Speaker 5: article talked about was how you know what we call
• 17:05
  Speaker 5: draft Twitter, right, which is people like me who are
• 17:07
  Speaker 5: just nerding out about all these guys in the draft
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: all the time on Twitter. They were a company that
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: had actual funding behind it to represent Draft Twitter. So
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: it wasn't mel Kiper. It wasn't you know, these big
• 17:19
  Speaker 5: jay journalists. It was just normal people. I think Ben
• 17:23
  Speaker 5: was like nineteen when he got hired by the Draft Network,
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: you know that just normal people that were doing it,
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: that just were obsessed with the draft. And unfortunately the
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: guys that founded it, you know, had this great concept
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: and it just the business side of it just completely
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: erupted in their faces and now it's it's like a
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: shell of what it was.
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: I liked that they talked about what the like, what
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: the market deficiency that they saw was just a clean,
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: slick website that wasn't an onslaught of ads that a
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: lot of these websites are. When you try to go
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: like Walter Football, where it's like two thousand pop ups
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: and you know, you're trying to read like the little
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: text between each ads.
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: It's really annoying. It's a terrible experience.
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: But I guess that's probably with like subscription sites, now
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: they've gotten rid of that stuff so you can pay
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: a little money.
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: And yeah, the article is it's a long article, you know,
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: it's it's a really deep dive.
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: I wanted to I wanted to send you like tld
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: R like it was.
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: I was reading it, and as I was, because I,
• 18:17
  Speaker 5: you know, back, I would have worked there if like
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: the you know, if I there was a position that
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: was available that I was interested in. So I I
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: just started reading this stuff and I was like, oh
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: my god, Like could you imagine like this would have
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: been terrible?
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah? All right? Eight five five pasts five hundred is
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: the A Steckond Hotline web radio at Patriots dot com.
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: It's the email address.
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: Anything else going on, Well, we're gonna hear from mister
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: Hooper this afternoon, so we'll get another kid to talk
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: to another Patriots siginee, Austin Hooper. Okay, so we'll hear
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: from him, see what he has to say. If I'm
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: sure he's excited to be here.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we've got the owners meeting next Monday and Tuesday.
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: On Monday, gerad mail will be live on Patriots dot com.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: It's seven thirty Eastern.
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think between.
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: Fifteen and then the owner will probably talk to the
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: media like he does every year, like in a scrum. Yeah,
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: and so we'll turn that around and have it on Tuesday,
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: I believe.
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, they'll be me and Tamara will be down
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: there a couple of video guys, so we'll do some videos.
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: Of course, there's you know, big big.
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: Party down there too, which is always fun. You have
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: like all of the NFL is there.
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: The cocktail sauce will be flowing.
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: I am curious if if the Patriots staff is at
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: the party, because last year.
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: It was, you know, it's like, hey Andy Reid, Hey
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: Sean McVay.
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: You know, everywhere you look, it's just like, oh, Melissa Stark,
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: I mean that that's the whole night.
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: But no, no Patrio, Andy Reed, Sean McVay, Melissa, you know,
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: I mean what does she coach?
• 19:40
  Speaker 10: No?
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: I mean it's you know, it's it's media, it's it's coaches,
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: it's you know, everybody.
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: You know, we Tamary and I last year were talking
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: basically like Prime forty seven right at like three o'clock
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: in the morning, right and it's just you know, sushi
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: and little dinner, A little dance sounds exactly the same dance.
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: You know, you're out there and Andy Reid, somebody.
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: I wonder if it'll be at the combine, like somebody's
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: got to drive Andy Reid around in a golf cart
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: because that was so.
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: Funny, like like jerk road hog.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: All right, what is this kickoff rule they're talking about.
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it's gonna be like one of the spring leagues.
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: I lose track of them that they're considering, where it's
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: like you basically have like a strike zone that you
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: can you know, there's ten yards that you everybody starts
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: within the same ten yards so that there's no run
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: up to the play, but the only person that's outside
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: the strike zone is the returner. And it's worked in
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: the in the spring leagues, and they've actually produced, you know,
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: some good returns, but also you know, it's made it
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: much safer.
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: So it to me, I think there's an opportunity for
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: more runbacks with this because.
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: If you get past that initial wave initial wave.
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: It's opens a lot harder to kind of maintain leverage
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: when you're not running down the whole you know, you
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: can really.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: It's just you and the kick.
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's fun. What it was happening obviously was that
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: you know, there was strategy that they were starting to
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: like have guys like swoop around and you know, like
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: find different you hang back, will go, you know sort
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: of thing. So you know, there becomes a whole nother
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: layer of all, how to Freend's point, we can't just
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: have all eleven guys right at the point of attack
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: just like kind of drop back.
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: Even then yeah, yeah, Springer will have some some fun maybe,
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: But I think the I was kind of glad to
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: see the NFLPA came out like unequivocally against this hip
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: drop tackle thing that they're talking about, which you know,
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: I just I feel like there are certain so.
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: They came out against banning it.
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: Or against against it, like they don't want to rule
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: against it, they just want to they're all for safety.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: But I just, I mean I think that there are
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: like it's going to be so hard to tackle, so
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: like I mean, and it's.
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: There's got to be just an easy example of a
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: guy that you don't quite have and you kind of
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: have to dive at him and grab his waist like that,
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like he's got a little
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: bit of an angle on you, but you are able
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: to at least get your hands on his waist.
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: It's like, are you do you just not try to
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: tackle him then?
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: Like I just, I mean, everybody's for safety, and I
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: mean we witnessed Gronk in twenty eleven. That was that
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: was this, I mean, that was the hip drop that
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: that kind of knocked him out of the super Bowl.
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: You know, we played, but I even Andre Andre It's
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: it's I mean, it's it's a hard one. But I
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: just don't see how you can consistently, consistently legislate.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: If everyone on the field was the same size, it
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: would be different. But you know, sometimes you've got you know,
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: a small safety trying to you know, tackle a running
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: back who's broke loose, or you know, a six to
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: four receiver or a tight end. You know, so like
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: you can't do it, you're gonna you're gonna end up
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: maybe causing more injury because guys are gonna be in
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: bad positions trying to make tackles.
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: I believe I remember, and I could be wrong, but
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: I believe I.
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: Remember Gronk talking afterwards about how what what the ball
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: carrier can do to avoid that kind of injury when
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: you know a guy is about to wrap you up
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: around the waist. And I forget what he said exactly,
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: but I mean, you know, I don't want to put
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: it on the ball carrier to avoid injuring himself. But
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: I do think that it's you know, something that needs
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: to be taught to avoid it as well. But yeah,
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: we'll see what what happens down there in Orlando.
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: It's tough because this is the hip drop tackle is
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: a development of the way they want you to tack
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: it their head right, It's the Seahawks tackling method to
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: get your head out of the tackle, which is the
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: whole head's up tackling. Like that's all the way down
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: to like Pop Warner little league football, and they get
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: that from rugby, right, and now because of that's the
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: technique it the next iteration is the hip drove tackle
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: and that it sort of was birth because of this,
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: and it's like, well, which one do you want? Do
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: you want us to you know, keep our head out
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: of it and tackle safer with you know, that technique
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: and then not hip draw tackles. Now, to Mike's point,
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: there's one way to tackle and if you can't do
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: it that way, and then I guess it's a touchdown play.
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: You just see guys pull up and be like I can't.
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I get the horse collar. But do
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: we have a lot of examples of these hip drops
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: causing injuries?
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: Like I don't remember, like so last year was really bad.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: Like what kind of injury does it cause?
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: Usually the ankle or like leg injuries.
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: Okay, so it's like a sudden stop.
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: Because it's your dead weight falls on the guy's legs.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, it falls on the legs.
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah. So Mark Andrews got knocked out with it. Remandre
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: obviously got knocked out with it. But there's there's quite
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: a few of them. Last last year in particular, it
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: happened to be a spike.
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: There's a couple of still shots of Bernard Pollard, like
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: in the eleven As Championship, just going, you know, you
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: can see him going right into Gronk's legs.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: No I know, but like if you remember that play,
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: Gronk was like he was kind of hanging on and
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: Gronk was still going and then finally he got enough
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: leverage to bring him down. Like, I don't think it
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: was technique that hurt Gronk, it was just you know
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: that Gronk was hard to bring back.
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: It's exactly what you were saying earlier with the giant
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: Gronk trying. You know, even not a small guy but
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: has a has a knack for going into people's knees.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: So maybe the you know, the runner or the ball
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: carrier has to be taught. Listen, when you're wrapped up,
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: just just go down, you know it's over.
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: I mean, I could be wrong, but I want to
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: say it was something like high stepping, like you have
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: to kind of high step once guy gets you by
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: the waist, you kind of I don't know, I forget
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: exactly get your legs out.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: From under you or something like that. I don't know anyway, Okay,
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: eight five five pats five hundred day stick a hotline
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: web radio at pitches dot com.
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: No Paul today, So he's probably about he's he's about
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: two beers in now, I would say two bud lights.
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, ish, So he's there's no fan fights going on.
• 25:35
  Speaker 9: We should have to make videos like before the day
• 25:37
  Speaker 9: starts and then at the end of the day check
• 25:39
  Speaker 9: dilly dilly.
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: I love I love how he's picking a fight with
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: the fans now, like they're not going to be good,
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: you know, so stop saying that they're gonna be good.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: You know, he's gonna be the you know, the truth
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: teller when it comes to like the expectations of the team.
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: I haven't heard like there might be some people in
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: the radio like Yahoo's. But I haven't heard a lot
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: of people say Patriots are going all the way this year.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: I've rarely heard people saying that they think they're going
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: to make the playoffs. I don't know who he's fighting with.
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I I just think there's that's reasonable.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: I mean, it could happen.
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: Was this on two to six yesterday?
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: No, it was like on our show, I'm hoping it happens,
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: but like, realistically, we've got some work to do, right,
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: Maybe think maybe everything pops this year. We get a
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: quarterback at three, he starts right away and he's like
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: c J. Stroud, maybe all that can happen. But you know,
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: it's I think most people, and I'm talking about fans,
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: are being realistic about this.
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: I think it's your thing. Fred.
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: You've said many times, if like, I just want to
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: hope this year, I want to you know, I want
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: to see a scrappy team that's playing really hard for
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: their coach. You know, maybe they pull out a couple wins.
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: But I mean, you talk about two to six yester year.
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: I mean, I think Bard's been kind of saying, like,
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: you know, this is gonna take some time. And you know,
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: I understand, you know, Felger's point of like why why
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: you know, But there's also a big part of me
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: that says, what, what's the best case, what's the ceiling
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: for this team if they not.
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: Free agent see out of the park? Is it really
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: that much?
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: Like you make the playoffs and then you'll lose to
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: Josh Allen, you lose to Patrick Mahomes.
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: Like they got work to do.
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: To get to that point where they can get over
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: the part of the genesis of this is like there's
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: some people I think Mike Bidar might be one of
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: them saying they last year they were really a six
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: to seven win team, And I understand like why he's
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: saying it, But Parcel said, you are what your record are.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: Is the reason why you weren't a six or seven
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: because you made mistakes at critical times and that's what
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: a four win team does. So that's who you were.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: You were a four team win team, you know, four
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: one team. So you can't avoid that, you know, like
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: if they didn't make those mistakes, if they didn't make
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: those critical turnovers, maybe they would have won six or seven.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: But you can't play that game, you know.
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: I think that's a huge part of it that you know,
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: untimely mistakes inability to be clutched. But I also just
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: think that this offense was so and napped last year
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: on maybe not a historic level, but as far as
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: the league last.
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: Year, like for Patriots, it was pretty historical great point.
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: So you know, like that I can't ignore that that,
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: you know, are they better right now?
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: I'm like, I don't know. They might be better right now. Actually,
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: like even with the holes that they still clearly have.
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not going to say they are better
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: and it's going great, like they got real holes to fill,
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: but that that offense last.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: Year was remember coming off the year before we went
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: into last year, Bill O'Brien's here, that alone is going
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: to make this offense better and it didn't noble, So you.
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: Don't know, to get worse.
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: And I mean that's one of the great questions I
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: thought coming out of last season that you know, we
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: had that debate sporadically throughout the year of why are
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: they worse this year?
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: It's kind of the same.
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's the same personnel, if not better.
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: It's certainly an offensive coordinator that that should be better.
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: Than what we were, you know, spent the whole year
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: railing on Matt Patricia, you know, and everybody thought that
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: when they hired Bill O'Brien that he would at least
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: get them to a level that was service competency.
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: And he didn't.
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: And there and there were so many issues and reasons
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: why that it wasn't you know, Oh, they were just
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: a bad off. Like they were not only bad, but
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: like you said, they were like timely bad, like timely bad,
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: like we really can't afford and we're gonna win right
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: here mac Jones' interception against the Colt, you know, like
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: those plays that were just like completely take the win
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: out of the city.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: Well, whoever the quarterback is, he's going to be better
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: than mac Jones. Okay, it's possible maybe, but like Jacoby Si,
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: he's gonna be better than mac Jones was his rookie
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: year or is he going to be better than mac
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: Jones was his third year?
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah, So I just like I look at Max's rookie year,
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: and they drafted a quarterback in the first round, and
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: they spent two hundred and fifty million guaranteed in free agency,
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: and they improved by three wins they were a seven
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: win team the year before, and then they were a
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: ten win team the next year and out in the
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: playoffs and on wild card round. So in this year,
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: so you went, if you went and did the same
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: exact ding quarterback in the first round and went crazy
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: nuts in free agency, you'd go from a four win
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: team to a seven win team, right, And it's to
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: what end, you know, because what we learned is that
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: it doesn't go up like that was the first bump
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: the ceiling. The ceiling was twenty twenty one. It wasn't
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: you know, the next two years. So that free agency
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: class is going to give you that shot in the
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: arm instantly right away. But you're then so now you're
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: a seven win team and then what you know? And
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: I think that you hope that the quarterback would be
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: better and so he will keep developing and he will
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: you know, continue the ball forward. But I think these
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: people that wanted them to be more aggressive in free
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: agency are are just looking at a little bit short sightedly,
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: like they just okay, so they would have been maybe
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: a more competitive twenty twenty four roster.
• 30:33
  Speaker 9: Yeah, people want them to make like these win now
• 30:36
  Speaker 9: moves in these big splashes and it's like.
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: I mean, and I get it, like like that Spring
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: of twenty twenty one, it was it was really fun
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: when they were signing those guys, and it was like
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: signing after signing, you're like, oh my gosh, I can't
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: even we got Hunter Henry and John Usmith. I mean,
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: it sounds kind of silly now to say it that way,
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: but that's how it felt at the time. So I like,
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: I don't, you know, fault the fans from wanting they
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: have that excitement, but.
• 30:57
  Speaker 9: Learn from which it's like, yeah, okay, we made these
• 31:00
  Speaker 9: win now moves, but it's like we had one foot
• 31:02
  Speaker 9: in that pool and the other on the sand of
• 31:04
  Speaker 9: a rebuild and a young core, and we.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: Can all agree that maybe they wouldn't even won four
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: games if it wasn't for the defense. And I do
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: worry without Bill, how they're gonna be able to scheme
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: and match up the way they did last year. I'm
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: hoping maybe you know, via Brian Bill, you know, you know,
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: emails in the game plan and I'm only kidding, but
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: I mean, let's face it, I'm sure that Bill was
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: a big part of how good that defense was and
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: the points that they were allowing and and hopefully you
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: know that will remain, you know, that edge on defense
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: will remain, but it's it's still wait and see. We
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: don't know.
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think there are some things that I'm hopeful
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: that maybe they will evolve defensively, and they're not. They
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: were not evolving defensively. It's for all the falls offensively,
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: they were a defense that was still kind of edge
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: to a lot of extent. But you know, they're just
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: certain things that I think just to handle, specially like
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: these offenses with all the you know, a speed offense
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: like Miami or a spread offense like the Bills, that
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: you know, maybe they do a little bit differently, like
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: you know, playing a little bit more zone coverage or
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: being a little bit more exotic in the pass rush
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: that maybe that allows them to evolve in that way.
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: But in terms of situations like this is their third
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: and seven package, like these are the three place this is,
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: this is the three things we have to do to
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: win this game. Like that's what everybody always says about
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: Bill is that he would get up there and he
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: would say we need to do these three things, and
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: nine times out of ten he was one hundred percent
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: on the money with all three things, and that I
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: think they'll definitely miss.
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: I think my biggest just concern with the defense right
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: now is making sure there's.
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: Enough pass rush depth.
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: And you're you know, and no disrespect to Christian Barmore
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: and think he's awesome, he needs to be as good
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: as he was last year, and you need Jude On
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: to come back, and he needs to be as good
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: as he was before, and you need Ouce to go
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: back to that level he was at as.
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: A complimentary piece.
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: Jennings takes us that like then that's a big question mark,
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: Like but but does he start to bring in the
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: pass rush?
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: I mean he didn't bring much in the pass rush.
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: So you know those three guys like we've seen now
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: what is it two three seasons that's kind of their
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: pass rush cord, there's you know, not that young element yet.
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: Maybe there will be in the draft, and even if
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: it's like a new type that has a little bit
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: of a diminished value because he's only going to be
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: a pass rusher.
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: But I'm okay with that. They need some depth.
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: I think you don't's got some injury concerns.
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: Barmore.
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: We really believe in him and hopefully he can take
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: a step and off set. But really, after those three guys,
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: you wonder they're gonna have to scheme pressure and if
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: one of them goes down, it could be similar to
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: what happened last year.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: All right, let's get to the phones. Let the listeners
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: get in on the action. We'll go first to Eddie
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: and La. What's up there?
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: Oh that's a new one.
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: I can't wait till we get on a new phone system.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: So when people drop off, the line opens up. Right now,
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: If people it just says that, it just stays there.
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: It you know, it takes up the line. So all right,
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: enough of my pitching domination in New York sub dominic.
• 34:01
  Speaker 11: Hey, y'all, how you doing?
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: All right?
• 34:03
  Speaker 11: Hey don okay, So just a quick thought in questions
• 34:07
  Speaker 11: for y'all. But you know, the free agency period of
• 34:10
  Speaker 11: you know, Patriot's glad they retained talent. Obviously, no big
• 34:13
  Speaker 11: moves at tackle and receiver. I was, you know, Donn
• 34:18
  Speaker 11: just trying to get a quarterback after we've but now
• 34:20
  Speaker 11: more open to the idea of moving down, uh, to
• 34:23
  Speaker 11: just get more players that we can build around in
• 34:25
  Speaker 11: the future. Right, there's got to exercise patients is going
• 34:28
  Speaker 11: to be a three year rebuild and so on and
• 34:29
  Speaker 11: so forth. So my thought is, in the event that
• 34:33
  Speaker 11: we do, you know, trade down and get a couple
• 34:35
  Speaker 11: of offensive talent players like you know, we get tackled
• 34:37
  Speaker 11: wide receiver, so forth, at what point for is there
• 34:41
  Speaker 11: any thought of drafting a quarterback later That's not like
• 34:44
  Speaker 11: a bow Nix or Michael Pigs. I'm thinking more of
• 34:47
  Speaker 11: like Jordan Travis.
• 34:49
  Speaker 10: Oh.
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: I think, let's put it this way. I think even
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: if they drafted a quarterback at three, they could still
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: take another quarterback in the fifth or sixth round.
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: I do, yeah, I mean, I think it's always good business.
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: I would just say, I think when you trade down,
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: it's you're just looking at present this year, and it's
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: and there's an appeal to all right, it's Brissett, but
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: we know we got the left tackle of the future,
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: and we know we have an ad Mitchell type that
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: is like really dripping with talent, and so there's a
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: lot to get excited. But it's hard for me to
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: make those two picks and then say, and we got
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: Spencer Ratler, which is fine, Like I like that, Like,
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: you know, as a developmental player, it's just hard to
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: think you're gonna get the quarterback.
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: Of the future. You can't. You can't. You can't have
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: all three like you can.
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: Get two, I think, but if you get the quarterback,
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: it's it's but it's still hard to the quarterback at
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: three to even think about, how do we get that tackle,
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: how do we get that wide receiver.
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, it's both sides of it. Like there's
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: a fear that you're the Panthers with Bryce Young right now,
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: who is the only good player on that team and
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: has nothing around him and can't there's something for him
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: to throw to or do anything with. I mean, I
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: guess they have Deontay Johnson now, but in general, like
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: there's that fear. But then there's also the other fear
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: of like a team like kind of like the Atlanta
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: Falcons where they're in quarterback purgatory and they have Kyle
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: Pitts and they have Drake London and they have Bijon
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: and they have all this offensive talent that they drafted,
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: but they have nobody to throw them the ball. So
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: now they go out and they have to pay Kirk
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: Cousins forty million dollars a year when it's probably an
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: overpay at the end of his career. So that's what
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: you risk. You either risk, you know, being Bryce young
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: and being surrounded by nothing, or you risk being in
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: QB purgatory, like which one would you rather? You know,
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: if you're going to play the negative game, like which
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: one would you rather be in?
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: It just comes down to do you really believe in
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: Drake may or Jaden Daniels at three? Do you really, really,
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: in your heart of hearts think this guy can be
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: a star and lead a team for ten years?
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: And if you say yes, then take them. I think
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: that they both can, but I also think it needs
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: to be said that they're not franchise saviors, like this
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: is not Andrew Luck, Like they're not going to come
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: into this team and all of a sudden you're a
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: playoff team overnight because you have Andrew Luck as your quarterback,
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: which is what the Colts literally went from the worst
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: team in the league to a playoff team because of
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: Andrew Luck. That's not going to happen with this team.
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: But then you look at the Bills maybe, and that's
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: you know, Josh Allen had some rough ups and downs,
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: was a wild thing, and then it started to click,
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: and then you went and got Stefan Diggs and really
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: got him that complimentary piece, you know.
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: So, yeah, that's what we were talking about on Catch
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: twenty two because Barth is a Josh Allen Hayter and I,
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: you know, Josh Allen's my best friend. So we were
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: talking about that. And the more that we think about
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: Drake May and talk about Drake May, the more that
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: I think that he's his comp is Josh Allen. You know,
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: he's a guy that has all of these physical tools.
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: He's a guy that has some film that if you
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: stacked together his best throws from last year, it goes
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: up against anybody in this class, even Caleb like best
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: throws down the field in this class. But he has
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: a lot of mechanical growth that needs to be done.
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: Floyd and Michigan says, so many people are penciling in
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: Drake May to the Patriots, but I believe this is premature.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: Right after the combine, Jeff Howe believed May would go
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: number two to the Commanders and then Jade and Daniels
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: would go three to the Patriots. Daniel Jeremiah recently May
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: number two, Jade number three, Joel Klatt recently made number
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: two Jade number three. I don't see the Commanders passing
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: on a twenty one year old May with that size,
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: athleticism and armstring. Plus a report came out that Commander
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: GM and Peters is into Drake May.
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I would be careful about those reports. It's smoke
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: screen season, so everybody's into everybody. But I in general
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: I agree that. I mean, I have Drake May as
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: the second best quarterback in the class. I think a
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: lot of people do. So why we think the Commanders
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: are going to skip.
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: Over him is really more like Kingsbury, right, Yes, Kingsbury
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: appeal of a.
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: Super mobile because Kingsbury's had Kyler, He's had, you know,
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: more of an athlete at that position in the past,
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: So maybe that's what he thinks. But I agree with
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: the emailer whan, there's no guarantee we're gonna be holding
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: our breath on that second pas.
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: Let's see Peter's in London.
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: Hey Peter, Hi?
• 38:45
  Speaker 10: Everyone good?
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: Good.
• 38:49
  Speaker 12: So I'm a Texas season to get holder, So I
• 38:53
  Speaker 12: wanted to just call in and give my two cents
• 38:55
  Speaker 12: on those Texas receivers you guys been talking about.
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: You live in London. But you're a Texas. Wow.
• 39:01
  Speaker 12: That's a I live in Houston back in the days
• 39:07
  Speaker 12: in London.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: He must have a great.
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: Stereotyped him the accent.
• 39:13
  Speaker 10: I'm back in London.
• 39:13
  Speaker 12: I'm getting married this weekend.
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: Congratulations.
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: Congratulations.
• 39:19
  Speaker 12: I didn't think I'd confused you guys with my life stories.
• 39:21
  Speaker 12: But look, I think she's from both of them, clearly athletically,
• 39:26
  Speaker 12: very talented, and I mean Worthy's been at UT for
• 39:30
  Speaker 12: longer and have a lot of love for that guy.
• 39:32
  Speaker 12: But for me, he just doesn't kind of come up
• 39:34
  Speaker 12: big in those, you know, clutch moments when we need them.
• 39:39
  Speaker 12: And I just don't feel like if you're drafting someone
• 39:41
  Speaker 12: that high, you know you want a number one receiver
• 39:43
  Speaker 12: who when you've got to have it, he's the guy
• 39:45
  Speaker 12: you're going to go to. And for me, I just
• 39:47
  Speaker 12: don't think Worthy really has that, whereas I think Mitchell
• 39:50
  Speaker 12: is the opposite. Mitchell is the guy who came up
• 39:52
  Speaker 12: big in big games, who caught huge, huge patch passes
• 39:56
  Speaker 12: against Alabama, a huge passing against TCU to win us
• 39:59
  Speaker 12: those games. If I was looking at one of them,
• 40:02
  Speaker 12: I'd probably stay more towards Mitchell than I was towards
• 40:04
  Speaker 12: Worthy just for that almost intangible, big moment aspect.
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I think that that's not necessarily because
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: of that, but just in general, the most rankings that
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: you see have Adie Mitchell slightly ahead of of Worthy
• 40:19
  Speaker 5: just because of the body type. You know, Worthy one
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: hundred and seventy pounds, so that Mitchell is much more
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: of that prototype six two two five still runs in
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: the four threes. But to you know, Peer's point eighty,
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: Mitchell transferred from Georgia. So he was at Georgia for
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: a couple of years and then he went to Texas
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: this past season. And at Georgia he had a tough
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: time kind of cracking their lineup and getting you know,
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: producing and putting up stats and stuff like that. And
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: he had a good season last year at Texas. But
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: like the one good game that he had at Georgia
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: was against Christian Gonzales in Oregon in Week one of
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: last year. It's like his one good performance at Georgia.
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: So the talent is obvious. Definitely waxed them, didn't they.
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we all talked about that one.
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that was the big one. Yeah.
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, Peter, good luck with your wedding and thanks
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: thanks for calling in. It's always interesting, you know, no
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: matter what we say, there's somebody out there that you
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: know is either an expert on the subject or like, yeah,
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: an example here, he's a Texas season ticket holder.
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: Crazy.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: I always love hearing from those people because they're you know,
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: how invested they are.
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: Uh, let's go to Nick and Kansas. Hey.
• 41:31
  Speaker 13: Nick, Hey, uh, first time caller.
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: All right, thank you.
• 41:37
  Speaker 13: Honestly, I uh, I don't know why everybody's so upset
• 41:42
  Speaker 13: about what Elliott Wolf is doing this off season. I
• 41:45
  Speaker 13: think he's doing a pretty good job for being our
• 41:49
  Speaker 13: GM this year. That being said, I think you take
• 41:54
  Speaker 13: may three tackle second round and then either trade back
• 41:58
  Speaker 13: up into the second round or take a third round receiver,
• 42:03
  Speaker 13: and then in twenty twenty five you can start to
• 42:06
  Speaker 13: focus on getting that true number one piece with the
• 42:10
  Speaker 13: receiver we draft this year, being more of kind of
• 42:13
  Speaker 13: a not necessarily an all round receiver, but more of
• 42:18
  Speaker 13: a role guy. Try to build out that wide receiver depth,
• 42:23
  Speaker 13: and I wouldn't mind kind of a late round double
• 42:24
  Speaker 13: dip the wide receiver double dip but tackle. But yeah,
• 42:29
  Speaker 13: that's kind of what I think we should do. And
• 42:31
  Speaker 13: I'm not really sure why everybody on Twitter and everybody
• 42:35
  Speaker 13: you know, emailing, calling in or whatever is kind of
• 42:37
  Speaker 13: upset at what Elliott Wolf has been doing. Well, I
• 42:40
  Speaker 13: think take it off.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: Okay, thanks Nick. I mean listen, how many years have
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: we heard, and this is when Bill was here, pitchers
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: aren't doing anything in free agency and you have the
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: the little meme of the stick figure with stick poking something. Yeah,
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: do something. You know, it's we we hear that every
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: year except for maybe a few, you know, two years,
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: you know, three years ago was one of the ones.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: Every year since Twitter came on, right, because it's just
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: it's just Twitter narratives.
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 43:06
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: I think what excites me though, is if they can
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: get to the point where they draft well and the model,
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: you know, if we are to believe they're going to
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: follow the packer away. So I mean I don't really
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: put you know, that credence into that. I mean, there's
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: that's just how good teams are developed, is you draft well,
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: if you develop those players and you keep those players.
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: And what I think has been kind of hard for
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: me as a fan, you know, even before I worked here,
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: was that you felt hard to get attached to guys
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: like they would draft.
• 43:30
  Speaker 5: Guys then you'd be like, Oh, he's awesome, and then
• 43:32
  Speaker 5: they just let him go.
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: And you know, like Chandler Jones, like you know, those
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: kind of players, Jamie Collins even you know, like you're disappointing.
• 43:39
  Speaker 5: Oh, High Towers.
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: They're letting High Tower meet with the Steelers?
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: Are you kidding me?
• 43:43
  Speaker 10: Like?
• 43:43
  Speaker 5: This is our guy?
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: And and I don't think that that's going to be
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: part of the model. If they're able to hit on
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: these draft picks, I will feel good about. They're going
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: to make every effort to continue to try to extend
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: those guys, and I hope.
• 43:53
  Speaker 5: That that's what they're able to establish. That's how you
• 43:56
  Speaker 5: get out of this.
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: You're not going to get out of this purgatory with one,
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: you know, one session of over spending and free agency
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: that all said. I mean, I just again, it's appealing
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: that they went and made that offer to Calvin Ridley,
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: and I think that sends a good message that they
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: know they have to supplement this.
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: They didn't hit on him.
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: It's okay for us to be disappointed about that.
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: I'm sure they're disappointed about it too, But that's the.
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: Breaks, you know, you have to try, and as you
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: slowly start to build things, then that puts you over
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: at the top, and then you're able to land these
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: guys because they.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: Want to know if you build it, they will come.
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know a lot of people, Tyrant Smith. But
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: these guys are signing like one year deals, you know.
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: I think the Patriots are thinking a little bit beyond that,
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: you know, And I'm just wondering, like this, about five
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: weeks left before the draft, so this is still time.
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: What if like all of a sudden, the Patriots trade
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: one of our better players.
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: For more draft picks, you know, like like a Matthew Dudon.
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: Or something like that. You know better, Like now all
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: of a sudden, you're like, oh, okay, you know, now
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: we see how what they're thinking. They're thinking long term here.
• 44:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that's why you can't as much as
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: we all do it in all, well, the patience thing
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: is tough to do. You can't judge an off season
• 45:03
  Speaker 5: until after the draft, and then you can't judge the
• 45:06
  Speaker 5: draft until two years later, right, so like it really
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: in reality or you know, you can't judge the moves
• 45:11
  Speaker 5: that they've made this offseason because we'll all look like
• 45:14
  Speaker 5: idiots if they get to the draft and then they
• 45:17
  Speaker 5: draft Drake May and then trade thirty four for t
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: Higgins and then they draft a left tackle and then
• 45:21
  Speaker 5: all of a sudden, it's like, oh, remember in March
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: when we were all screaming and yelling about how they
• 45:25
  Speaker 5: did nothing. So for us, I feel like we try
• 45:27
  Speaker 5: to look at it and say, all right, it's a
• 45:29
  Speaker 5: it's a whole thing. You know, the draft is part
• 45:31
  Speaker 5: of it, and we're gonna have to you know, come
• 45:33
  Speaker 5: May whatever after the draft. If this is the team
• 45:37
  Speaker 5: and they're just kind of adding okay pieces in the draft,
• 45:40
  Speaker 5: but it's like Drake May and Ricky Piersall and some
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: tackle prospect in the third round, and yeah, I'm probably
• 45:47
  Speaker 5: gonna look at it and be like, like, this was
• 45:48
  Speaker 5: not a you know, this didn't really do much for me,
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: But who knows, it could be much better than that.
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: Yep, Chris with a T. I an, what's up, Christian?
• 45:59
  Speaker 10: Hey, Buddy doing doing good? Pretty good, Freddy, good job
• 46:04
  Speaker 10: on the Dynasty Recap Talk. I really enjoyed its podcast.
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I hope that, like we we were pretty level
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: headed about it. Did you did we drop the one
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: with the director and the producer.
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: And I think it's coming today.
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: I was coming today. So there's one more Christian where
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: we had both of them in studio at the same time.
• 46:25
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm looking forward to that.
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: Patriots have reportedly sound.
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah what's that?
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: Matt said, We're gonna play a snippet of that with
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: with you guys talking.
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: We did, we did, Okay, we don't need we have
• 46:35
  Speaker 5: some breaking. We don't need to.
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: It's a big one.
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 46:39
  Speaker 5: It's a it's a safety. Jalen Hawkins on a one
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: year deal. Oh yeah, a little uh safety, another box safety.
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: Hawks can never have too many of those.
• 46:50
  Speaker 10: I just want to kind of piggyback on what people
• 46:53
  Speaker 10: have been saying about building the team, and uh, I
• 47:00
  Speaker 10: know what's going to take a couple of years. So
• 47:02
  Speaker 10: I'm not necessarily like disappointed in this offseason, you know,
• 47:08
  Speaker 10: I think they're building towards something. That being said, if
• 47:12
  Speaker 10: they have another four or five win season, obviously that's
• 47:17
  Speaker 10: a problem. They just they need to be trending upward.
• 47:20
  Speaker 5: And well, how would you measure trending up Yeah, so
• 47:23
  Speaker 5: what if the four and five seas?
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: What if they win four or five games? But Drake
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: may really looks like he's got a future.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 47:34
  Speaker 10: Well, I mean, okay, so like you're thinking like Troy
• 47:38
  Speaker 10: Aikman or Peyton Manning's rookie year.
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: Well yeah, yeah, right that.
• 47:44
  Speaker 10: You know piece, they had struggled, but at the end
• 47:47
  Speaker 10: they became great. Yeah, I mean it depends on how
• 47:51
  Speaker 10: it looks.
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: Ready, Yeah, exactly, It depends on how it looks. Yeah,
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: you'll know it.
• 47:55
  Speaker 10: When you say when it's ten to six, then no, yeah, no, right,
• 47:59
  Speaker 10: but yeah, and I do. And I think Paul ched
• 48:03
  Speaker 10: yesterday about Belichick not being there in the defense, you know,
• 48:10
  Speaker 10: game planning, slash matching up.
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: We mentioned, yeah, that's a concern. You don't lose the
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: greatest coach of all time and think that everything's going
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: to be you.
• 48:20
  Speaker 10: Know the same, you know, right, And yesterday I was
• 48:24
  Speaker 10: listening to the Felger and Greg Bdard made a comment
• 48:27
  Speaker 10: about how Mike McDaniel after the second Miami game this year, said, uh,
• 48:36
  Speaker 10: you know, go watch that tape, you know, watch how
• 48:39
  Speaker 10: they matched up against us. Watch the scheme. You know,
• 48:43
  Speaker 10: was the toughest game plan I've gone against this year. Yep,
• 48:48
  Speaker 10: you know he's still got it type things.
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, And Girard and I'm.
• 48:56
  Speaker 10: Really interested to see DeMarcus Comington, you know, in that role.
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: Absolutely all right. I mean I think they're still a
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: Thanks Christian.
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: I think they're still going to try to run that.
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: You know, They're still going to try to be a
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: game plan defense, and they're they're going to try to
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: throw curveballs every week. And I think one of my
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: this is probably a little bit off off topic, but
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: my question too, I'd love to ask just Elliott wolf
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: trol Meo is just when you're one of those defenses
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: that wants to adjust every week, Like how do you
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: know you have the right pieces.
• 49:26
  Speaker 5: To do things?
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: You know, like that you have enough that you're covering
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: enough bases to be able to actually morph into different
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: things and not get kind of caught the bill.
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: That was his superpower one was watching that tape and
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: figuring out what that team does, how they do it,
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: and then whittling it down to three or four things,
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: and then understanding his own personnel and who can do what,
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: and then giving them the job to do it.
• 49:53
  Speaker 5: And that's it.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: That's like it's like in The Dynasty that last episode
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: with the Rams.
• 49:57
  Speaker 9: Yeah, like yeah, we're playing zone and we're going to
• 49:59
  Speaker 9: learn zone and one week and it's gonna work out.
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: And I'll bet you on that week it wasn't like
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: guys drinking out of a fire hose. I'll bet you
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: he simplified it. And you know, I always go back
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: to the story in ninety six when Bill came here
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: as a defensive assistant with Parcels and we were at
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: Bryant College and you know, Bill had been here for
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: like two or three weeks, and Lawyer Malloy said, he's
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: a genius. He makes it so simple, he makes it
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: easy to understand. Yeah, I think that that is one
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: of his greatest powers.
• 50:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the I didn't see the part of the Dynasty,
• 50:34
  Speaker 5: but I covered it, so I was there. And I
• 50:37
  Speaker 5: remember talking to the players about the AFC Championship game
• 50:40
  Speaker 5: against Kansas City. I think they were something like eighty
• 50:43
  Speaker 5: five percent man in that game, and they doubled Tyreek
• 50:47
  Speaker 5: Hill and they were man to man across the board
• 50:49
  Speaker 5: on everybody else. And then in the Super Bowl they
• 50:51
  Speaker 5: played not just zone, they played quarters. Like they went
• 50:55
  Speaker 5: from a post safety team with man to man coverage
• 50:57
  Speaker 5: to a split safety team and they played quarters. And
• 51:00
  Speaker 5: then you know, like three three buzz structures as well.
• 51:04
  Speaker 5: But they went from like one side of the coin
• 51:06
  Speaker 5: to the totally opposite side of the spectrum in two weeks,
• 51:09
  Speaker 5: Like it couldn't have been polar opposite. And the play
• 51:13
  Speaker 5: that Jason mccordy made is just the fact that they
• 51:19
  Speaker 5: went from where Manton man in the AFC Championship Game
• 51:22
  Speaker 5: to replacing the post and the biggest moment of the
• 51:26
  Speaker 5: Super Bowl is just I have no idea how he
• 51:29
  Speaker 5: got there, Like I have no idea how he was there.
• 51:31
  Speaker 5: I have no idea how they did that. And those
• 51:33
  Speaker 5: were the types of things that you know, as much
• 51:36
  Speaker 5: as this Dynasty doc like Ragazon Bills at times like
• 51:39
  Speaker 5: that was what I wish it's not so much about
• 51:42
  Speaker 5: like the America's Game stuff of like on this play.
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: We did this.
• 51:45
  Speaker 5: It's like that was the type of stuff that he
• 51:48
  Speaker 5: was able to coach, and they just had such a
• 51:51
  Speaker 5: wide variety of things that they could do that they
• 51:54
  Speaker 5: could just pull from this library of plays every single
• 51:58
  Speaker 5: week and just oh, remember we did this in training camp,
• 52:01
  Speaker 5: and we're going to do that this week. And we
• 52:02
  Speaker 5: did this in training camp, We're going to do that
• 52:04
  Speaker 5: that week. Like that was the difference in a lot
• 52:06
  Speaker 5: of those, this.
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: Is where Paul would go, Well, the throw was late
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: and coach dropped it.
• 52:11
  Speaker 5: Okay, I don't know how that changes anything, but it
• 52:14
  Speaker 5: makes no water.
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: But you know, it's one thing to go in and
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: make that change up. But somebody has to teach it.
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: Somebody has to explain it to the players in a
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: way that in two weeks, whether they did it in
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: you know, training camp or not, in two weeks, they
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: have to understand it.
• 52:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: The great example too in Bill's football life with the
• 52:34
  Speaker 4: Jets game and he I mean they literally show you exactly.
• 52:37
  Speaker 4: I mean, I think it was like any takeaway Keller
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: when he's under center at the tight end Dustin Keller.
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: There are a couple other ones, but you know it
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: shows him pregame in the meeting, laying out the things,
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: and then they go to the game and you see
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: all those things actually happening. And they ended up losing
• 52:53
  Speaker 4: the game, but it was just, you know, perfectly illustrated
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: what we're talking about, where he gives you three specific things.
• 52:57
  Speaker 4: I mean that specific when he's under center. We got
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: to take Keller away, and there's Keller, you know, getting
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: a touchdown off a play action pass.
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've heard too many players say he would tell
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: us what's gonna happen, and it what happened.
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: Jabriel said that this year.
• 53:09
  Speaker 9: I remember after one of the losses when it was
• 53:11
  Speaker 9: just like a dejected locker room.
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: Jabriel was like, this is not on coach.
• 53:16
  Speaker 9: I'm actually really annoyed that this is even a narrative
• 53:18
  Speaker 9: because every week he tells us exactly what's going to happen,
• 53:21
  Speaker 9: and we don't execute, and that's exactly what happened.
• 53:23
  Speaker 5: Right, right, and that's what they're gonna miss.
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 53:25
  Speaker 5: I remember Cam Newton saying he had a crystal ball,
• 53:28
  Speaker 5: like he thought it was like, this guy's got a
• 53:30
  Speaker 5: crystal ball and he just comes into and tells me
• 53:32
  Speaker 5: everything that's going to happen in the game, and that's
• 53:34
  Speaker 5: exactly what happens.
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, every time, everyone compares it to chess,
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: and a lot of it is reps. So if you
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: have played chess all your life, you've pretty much seen
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: every configuration that could happen after every move, and so
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: you've seen.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: It all, you can anticipate what's about that, right, And that's.
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: What Bill he's seen it all before, because he's probably
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: got a photograph memory. When it comes to watching film,
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: his father taught taught him how to watch film and
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: how to scout players, understand their strengths and weaknesses, and
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: he brings that all to the table.
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: Yep, you know it's they're they're gonna miss him, I
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: mean for sure. And I mean it's it's kind of
• 54:15
  Speaker 4: going hand in hand with this narrative now with After
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: the Dynasty, and you have Grunk coming out and saying like,
• 54:19
  Speaker 4: none of this would have been possible without Bill. So
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: I think, you know, almost in that way the Dynasty
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: kind of you know, the back and forth that's been
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: going on it Bill have, Yeah, right, But it's I
• 54:28
  Speaker 4: think I think a lot of fans are just you know,
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: kind of appreciating that that some of these players are
• 54:32
  Speaker 4: just coming out and saying, look like, yeah, it was
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: a pain in the ass sometimes, but it would not
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: have happened without him as.
• 54:38
  Speaker 5: Much as Rodney on that podcast, Well that was interesting.
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: With Rodney complaining about he talked to me for six
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: hours and I got one line.
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: Well that's different though, and I know it's an editing thing.
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: You know, he's just complaining because he spent a lot
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: of time they didn't use all of it. But that's
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: what happens. I mean, I know, you know that they
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: interviewed do you know they interviewed Peyton Manning for five hours.
• 54:59
  Speaker 5: And didn't make it even make it.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Kara was Kara in it. We had fan Kara
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: no Get interviewed too. I know she made it.
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean they interviewed over seventy people and we
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: saw maybe.
• 55:11
  Speaker 5: Fifteen cutting room floor.
• 55:13
  Speaker 13: You know.
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: But it's funny how like Dante Stalwart, who you know,
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: certainly really good guy to listen to, but didn't have
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: a huge part in it, but he's you know, got
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: extensive time because he said the right things.
• 55:23
  Speaker 5: I guess. Yeah, it was just it was just it
• 55:25
  Speaker 5: was disappointing to me that that's the that's the narrative
• 55:30
  Speaker 5: coming out of the dynasty, is that it was like
• 55:32
  Speaker 5: this bill smear campaign and all this type of stuff,
• 55:34
  Speaker 5: and I just we just didn't need it, like we
• 55:37
  Speaker 5: didn't we didn't need it to go that way. Like
• 55:40
  Speaker 5: and I know, but like what was not true?
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: You know, Like so you know, I think it was
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: the balance of it.
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: I think I think they're talking about this dynasty and
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: how it broke up, well, they had to explain how
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: it broke up and why, you know, why did Brady leave.
• 55:58
  Speaker 9: Yeah, well that's why those last two episodes I think
• 56:00
  Speaker 9: we're the best because that was the first time you
• 56:02
  Speaker 9: really were hearing about what was actually going on in detail,
• 56:07
  Speaker 9: and the middle of it would just I mean, it
• 56:11
  Speaker 9: served its purpose.
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: I get what the point of it was.
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: But what you know, Paul, you know is on this soapbox,
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: this is all stuff we knew at the time. People
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: were saying there's some problems, and you know, people say,
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: you're just you know, unnamed sources. You don't know what
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: you're for all we know, it might have been even
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: worse than the Dynasty had, you know, probably was. I
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: don't know.
• 56:36
  Speaker 5: I just it's not so much like the way the
• 56:40
  Speaker 5: documentary portrayed it or not. That's the way that's it
• 56:43
  Speaker 5: came across, and it just it. I hated that's where
• 56:46
  Speaker 5: it went.
• 56:47
  Speaker 14: Like.
• 56:47
  Speaker 5: I hated that so many people are are saying that
• 56:49
  Speaker 5: that's what it is, to the point where Devin mccordy
• 56:52
  Speaker 5: and Rodney Harrison are defending Bill on podcasts.
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: Because they only use what they said that fit that narrative.
• 56:59
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 57:00
  Speaker 9: That's why I think if it was a little more
• 57:01
  Speaker 9: balance and you show more of those like more of
• 57:05
  Speaker 9: the brilliance, you can be like, Okay, this is like
• 57:08
  Speaker 9: like it's like a toxic relationship. They're hot and heavy
• 57:11
  Speaker 9: and hot and heavy, and then is the breakup, and
• 57:13
  Speaker 9: then it makes the breakup so much more interesting.
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: The first half like it was an ode to Bill
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: with the Bledsoe thing and everything like that, and then
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: you know, the thirteenth three game in the RAMS, I
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: think that was an ode to Bill as well. At
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: the end, you know, like people were saying, this is
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: you know, uh masterpiece, this was this, this was that,
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: and you know you have all these media people saying
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: how great a game plan it was. I mean, what's that?
• 57:38
  Speaker 5: I yeah, I just wish that Bill had had stood
• 57:43
  Speaker 5: his ground a little bit more on it. And I
• 57:44
  Speaker 5: don't know why he didn't or what is I'm sure
• 57:46
  Speaker 5: you know, Bill, he definitely had motives to do what
• 57:49
  Speaker 5: he did, but you know, there was opportunities for him
• 57:51
  Speaker 5: to state his own side of things and they he
• 57:56
  Speaker 5: didn't take it.
• 57:57
  Speaker 4: It's one of my biggest questions was just when did
• 57:59
  Speaker 4: you interview Bill Bellich. I would just love to know
• 58:01
  Speaker 4: the context of when he was interviewed specifically because I mean, ideally,
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: you would have liked that interview to happen now after
• 58:07
  Speaker 4: he's out of it and he's a little bit removed.
• 58:09
  Speaker 4: I don't think that he would have been super forthcoming anyway,
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: of course, but I think you would have gotten a
• 58:13
  Speaker 4: little bit more. I mean, I said a hundred times,
• 58:15
  Speaker 4: you've got press conference Bill in there, and he's got
• 58:18
  Speaker 4: his guard up, and you know, even in the even
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: in the moments he did pull back the curtain a
• 58:22
  Speaker 4: little bit, you didn't really learn a lot. I mean,
• 58:24
  Speaker 4: I still say my favorite things from all of these
• 58:26
  Speaker 4: things that are written about the Dynasty are the behind
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: the scenes footage when you hear him talking to the team,
• 58:30
  Speaker 4: when you hear him on the sidelines. You know, that's
• 58:32
  Speaker 4: that's what I think, you know, shows his genius. And
• 58:35
  Speaker 4: you know, I think that they tried to underline some
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: of the greater moments, but I think everybody kind of
• 58:40
  Speaker 4: left feeling a little bit like there was more to
• 58:42
  Speaker 4: underline with what a great coach he was and what
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: he meant to this run.
• 58:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, but but it's your point, Fred, I.
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: Think the only thing missing along those lines was the
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: lawyer molloy thing, because I think that was a turning
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: point for the could have been a turning point for
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: the team. The Tom Jackson and yet Bill, you know,
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: got the locker.
• 59:03
  Speaker 4: Room back, I've got I've got a running list that's
• 59:06
  Speaker 4: fifteen right now. There are just things that and these
• 59:08
  Speaker 4: aren't like big moments that needed to be spent time on,
• 59:10
  Speaker 4: but just little moments that could have even just been
• 59:12
  Speaker 4: a slice of b roll or things that really were
• 59:14
  Speaker 4: pertinent to me. I'll run down him. Dick Raybayn passing
• 59:17
  Speaker 4: away Ricky Proll saying tonight a dynasty is born. I
• 59:20
  Speaker 4: mean that is just one of the most iconic lines
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: to me, that the show is literally the Dynasty. And
• 59:25
  Speaker 4: you have a member of the opposite team saying his
• 59:27
  Speaker 4: teams would be the nasty Harrison Maloy, the twenty one
• 59:30
  Speaker 4: game win streak, thirty eight thirty nine, Teddy Stroke, the
• 59:33
  Speaker 4: AFC Divisional game. I think that's a bill.
• 59:36
  Speaker 5: That's a bill.
• 59:36
  Speaker 4: You know, pulling that team knocking off San Diego fourteen
• 59:39
  Speaker 4: into the Wildcat Game.
• 59:40
  Speaker 5: Didn't need a lot of time.
• 59:41
  Speaker 4: But you know, these are just little moments that that
• 59:43
  Speaker 4: you know instantly, the fact that the twenty eighteam couldn't
• 59:47
  Speaker 4: win big games. I think that was a big miss overall.
• 59:49
  Speaker 4: That they painted eight to be like another one of
• 59:52
  Speaker 4: his Mona leases.
• 59:52
  Speaker 5: I don't think it really was.
• 59:53
  Speaker 4: I think that that was a sign that when you
• 59:55
  Speaker 4: don't have a quarterback who's elite, you can't beat good teams.
• 59:58
  Speaker 4: And that showed you what was coming down the pike
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: when Brady left. Brady's MVP twenty ten season, I mean,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 4: he was a unanimous MVP that you know, it was
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 4: on fire.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 5: The twenty eleven super Bowl.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, those super Bowls weren't really.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 5: Twenty fifteen okay with those super Bowls.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: So you basically want a diary of every year.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 4: Well, I just want little moment keep going. I'm enjoying
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 4: twenty fifteen. I just you know, there's got to be
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 4: some moments in there. Twenty sixteen, did Jimmy g getting
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 4: hurt and Brisette, I thought, that's another Bill moment, getting
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 4: a rookie quarterback to play on a short week and
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 4: doing that. Twenty nineteen, it made it again. I said
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 4: that last show, it seemed like the Super Bowl happened,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 4: and then they broke up.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 5: Two months later. There was a whole nother season.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 9: You couldn't if you did not know, if you didn't
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 9: follow the Patriots closely, if you're.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: A casual fan, did you.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: Have no idea you could have thought Brady left and
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: saw that in my last I think we're talking about
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: twenty episodes now.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 5: With that maybe the last one that.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 9: Don't spend an episode fabricating drama about Matt Castle potentially
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 9: taking over Brady.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: There's other things you can Again, that was an ode
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: to Bill.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: It got dragged out, though.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 5: I just I understand why they covered the topics that
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 5: they covered. I just watching it. I just don't know
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 5: how you take it any other way besides it being slanted.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 9: When you sat down with the director Matt Matt hamatchuck,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 9: did you get the sunset he's like a big football guy. No,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 9: That's exactly what I think watching that film. Is this
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 9: guy there's the headlines, is the dynasty, This is the
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 9: TMD dynasty. This is not a football guy.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: This is a filmmaker.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 5: And that's what I saw. I saw that right off
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 5: the bat. I was like, this guy didn't know anything
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 5: about the Patriots, he doesn't know anything about football.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: I was like, his voices in it and I heard
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: his voice.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: I said, this is not a I get it. Within
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: New England, I get it. I get the uproar, but
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: I think he wasn't making it for Patriots fans'.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 4: And then I think the appeal maybe to the producers
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 4: was that he's not a football guy. He's going to
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 4: come to this clean and tell this story from his
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 4: own perspective. Last one, though, can I just said the
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 4: last one? How do you not show any thing of
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 4: Brady playing here at Tampa, like going against Belichick like that?
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 4: Like that to me is just a miss, Like, yeah,
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 4: what a moment that was speaking of him, I just read.
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  Speaker 3: What's Up, Everybody?
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  Speaker 7: Our final episode of the Dynasty doc Recap podcast drops
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  Speaker 7: tomorrow wherever you listen to podcasts. Here's a little snippet
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  Speaker 8: All right, welcome to the Ultimate Dynasty wrap Up Show.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 8: As we're here to wrap up the Dynasty documentary The
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 8: Dynasty documentary series is streaming on Apple TV, and we
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 8: couldn't be warply to have joining us the executive producer
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 8: and the author of the book The Dynasty, Jeff Benedict,
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 8: and the director of the series, Matt Hammachek Matt Smith,
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 8: along with Paul Brow and Fred Kirsch. GUIs, thank you
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 8: so much. You guys are on tour. You know, everybody's
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 8: taking a crack at you guys, and we just wanted
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 8: to have a discussion about can you believe this project
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 8: has come to light, has been aired, has been viewed,
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 8: You've got to the finish line. Is that a bit
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 8: of a relief maybe that you've got there?
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 16: I thought you were gonna say, And we just wanted
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 16: to have a crack at you too.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: No no, no, no, no, no, no, We'll see it
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: might be a crack.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 5: It might be a crack here and there.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 16: Oh, it feels good to be at to be at
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 16: this stage of the project, because it it seems like
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 16: a really long time ago when we started. I was
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 16: flipping through some photographs on my phone yesterday. I was
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 16: looking for something completely unrelated to this, and I actually
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 16: came across a picture of you.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 5: Oof and Matt and myself and Justin Wilkes, who was
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 5: the exit. I could approuce it.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 16: From imagine.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 4: And it was like when we first met here in
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 4: the archives.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 5: It was the very first time.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 16: And you know, when you look at the dates on
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 16: those pictures, it's a reminder of how long this project
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 16: has been going on.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 8: Jeff, did you For those who are watching and listening,
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 8: let's just kind of recap a little bit you wrote
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 8: the book. Was it your intention when you wrote this
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 8: book A La Tiger there's going to be a documentary,
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 8: There's going to be a series behind this is your hope?
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 16: And I talked about it or broach the subject even
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 16: before I started writing the book. So I had spent
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 16: about a year with the team, and i'd met you
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 16: by then, and I think i'd even met you Fred,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 16: But before I started putting pen to paper, you know,
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 16: I was thinking about the potential for other ways that
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 16: the story could be telled after the book was published,
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 16: and so it was an early consideration. It's something that
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 16: I raised with the team and with the organization, and
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 16: then as soon as I turned the narrative in, which
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 16: was right after Tom went to see Robert to tell
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 16: him that he had decided to leave, and they made
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 16: the phone call to Bill and to Jonathan. I wrote
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 16: that last scene like within a few days of that
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 16: actually happening, and then I was done because I was
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 16: actually done, kind of like Matt being done with the
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 16: film until we're kind of waiting for the last thing
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 16: that he would put in. I was in the same
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 16: situation with the book. I had everything done except the ending,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 16: and then that happened. And as soon as that happened,
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 16: I turned it in. And then there's like six or
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 16: seven months before the book's on sale, and I immediately
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 16: pivoted to starting on the steps to be taken to
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 16: turn it into a docu saries.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 3: You know, we're going to get into the details. But
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: something you just said made me think, you know, you
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: had done everything except the ending. Yeah. If the Patriots
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 3: had had an amazing season in twenty three, yeah, gone
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 3: to the playoffs are even better. Would Apple have been
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: willing to hold off or would they have come out
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: at the same time? Anyway?
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 17: I think that well, look, if they had, like, let's say,
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 17: I think it would have been up to me to say, Okay,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 17: I think what we should do is we should take
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 17: the ten that we've already had, because it you know,
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 17: we basically we were done by maybe even midway through
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 17: the season or something like that. They had been going
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 17: on a Super Bowl run and they got there or
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 17: something happened that was just extraordinarily. Maybe we could have
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 17: gone and said, okay, Apple, can you give us a
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 17: little bit more money?
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 5: We want to do.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 17: Episode eleven or something like that. So that that's the
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 17: kind of that's the way the conversation would have happened.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: And so because you hear the conspiracy theorists, oh the
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 3: time it's coming out, Oh yeah, right, you know.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 17: It's so the one thing that we did know for
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 17: a very long time was that it was basically this
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 17: question of Apple came to me and they said, how
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 17: long do you think you're going to need to make
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 17: something like this? And if I had had my true druthers,
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 17: I probably would have said I need three and a
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 17: half four years. But that's not the way TV works.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 17: They want it right as soon as possible. Right, So
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 17: what we came to an agreement on was that basically
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 17: the week after the Super Bowl in twenty twenty four,
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 17: gave us two and a half years. That was more
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 17: or less enough time to go make this thing. And
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 17: that's the date that we had locked in stone. And
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 17: the reason for that was, just like myself and every
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 17: other football fan out there, the Super Bowl happens, you
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 17: start to go through football withdrawal, and so if you know,
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 17: it's like, well, let's give people the greatest football story
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 17: of all time, and that's it was locked in stone
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 17: for two and a half years. Basically that was going
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 17: to happen that way.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 8: So, Matt As, you're from New York, correct.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 4: I live in New York.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: I'm from DC.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 8: Okay, so you're not a Patriots fan, you're not a
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 8: New Englander and everything like that. As you experience the
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 8: aftermath and the and everybody indulging in this, have you
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 8: noticed a distinctive flavor between the reaction in the six
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 8: state region and the entire rest of the country. Yes,
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 8: does that surprise you?
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 17: It does surprise me, because I this was all kind
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 17: of new to me, right. I didn't understand anything when
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 17: I first started making this thing, right, And so the
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 17: good part about that is that you get to talk
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 17: to the seventy plus players and coaches in front office
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 17: exact the rivals and everything and These are a lot
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 17: of these questions like why did you decide to go
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 17: with Drew Blood's or Tom Brady over Drew Blood. So
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 17: are questions that these guys have been asked over and
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 17: over and over again, and they sort of have their answers.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 17: But I think it helps when somebody who genuinely doesn't
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 17: know the answer to these questions and is actually curious
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 17: asked them of these things, because it elicits new answers,
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 17: because you say, I think a lot of times things
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 17: like that, history has proven them to be the greatest
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 17: coaching decisions in the history of the NFL. Right, they
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 17: made the obvious choice because history has proven it right.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 17: At the time, it wasn't like that. And that was
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 17: always the thing is, I don't know the answers to
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 17: these questions. I want to know why when every when
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 17: all the archive I'm watching is saying that this was
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 17: a horrible decision, why did you think it was right then?
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 17: And what was it like to be in the room
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 17: at that point in time? So I didn't know any
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 17: of this stuff, and I have to sit back and
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 17: listen and just ask follow up questions and hear and
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 17: kind of get out of the way. And let these
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 17: people talk. So when this thing came out, I think,
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 17: you know, I had an inkling of the fact that
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 17: I surely knew that in Boston the reaction was going
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 17: to be strong one way or the other, right, because
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 17: there's sort of this where at the stadium right now,
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 17: we're having this conversation, and within a fifty mile plus
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 17: radius of this place, there is a giant bubble, right,
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 17: and the reaction within this bubble has been a mixed.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: Bag, but a very vocal mixed bag.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 10: Right.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 17: Everybody's on Twitter and they're saying all these different things,
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 17: and it's like all these conspiracy theories and stuff, and
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 17: I'm just sitting there just like, guys, I have no
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 17: idea what any of these people were talking about. Now nationally,
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 17: it's just like, hey, they sort of viewed this thing
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 17: the way that I viewed this thing, which was this
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  Speaker 17: wasn't my team. I don't have a dog in this fight.
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  Speaker 17: We're just gonna sit back and we're going to watch.
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  Speaker 17: And it's sort of this balance thing where some people
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 17: can look at episode five and see it the way
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 17: that I see it, which is it's a love letter
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 17: to Bill Belichick and what he did when his back
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 17: was up against the wall, and as he puts it,
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 17: he lost the greatest quarterback of all time for a season.
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  Speaker 17: And that's what episode five is.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 8: The people in Boston who are.
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  Speaker 17: Convinced that somehow this is some kind of a Bill
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  Speaker 17: Belichick Hitchob, they just completely overlook all of that, and
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 17: all they pay attention to is one line in the
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 17: middle of the episode when Tom Brady Senior.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 4: Says Bill, he's cold.
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  Speaker 17: He's calculating, if you're not on the team, you're out
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 17: of state, out of mind. That's the only line they hear.
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  Speaker 17: And then the other, you know, thirty something minutes of
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  Speaker 17: that thing just doesn't exist. And this is the thing
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  Speaker 17: that I keep seeing, and I think this is something
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 17: that goes on in our society in general today, is
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 17: if you believe something, you cannot be talked off of
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  Speaker 17: that belief no matter what. And you will cherry pick
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  Speaker 17: every piece of evidence that helps support the thing that
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 17: you already believe, and and and you'll accumulate all those
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  Speaker 17: things and you will ignore everything else, and then you
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  Speaker 17: have it.
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  Speaker 4: It's there, it's proof.
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  Speaker 18: When someone accidentally threw away the school play costumes, replacements
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  Speaker 6: and he just kept going and his window was half down,
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  Speaker 5: I now adopted Easter. But on Ketshwai two we had
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  Speaker 3: Whatever? It's chill whatever, all right, du oh, he's doing
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  Speaker 3: Daniel Jeremi talk, So that'll be on the uh Draft
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  Speaker 5: On Patriot Patriots Draft Countdown.
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  Speaker 3: Patriot Patriot's Draft Countdown. And then what you heard during
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 3: halftime was a snippet of our sit down with Matt
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 3: Hammachuck and Jeff Benedict that will drop today on wherever
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• 1:15:30
  Speaker 3: interesting conversation. We sat down for almost an hour with them,
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 3: and I thought we had a good conversation.
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  Speaker 5: I haven't heard it yet. Yeah, so I'm looking forward
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  Speaker 3: Let's get back to our listeners. There's where's the one?
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 3: Oh here, Ryan and Nebraska. I've come to the opinion
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 3: that MHJ and his his not sitting down what I
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 3: have come to the opinion that in his default to
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 3: sit out so often in games, the combine, Pro Day, etc.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 3: Is actually a problem. As talented as he is, that
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 3: attitude does not sit well with me. Am. I just
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 3: old and out of touch with the age diversity.
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  Speaker 5: You all have.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: I was wondering if you could weigh in on this
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 3: a little bit.
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  Speaker 5: But I think that he's of the rare breed that
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 5: is such a good prospect and is such a lock
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 5: where he's going to go in the draft, which is
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 5: probably top five or six picks, that he really has
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 5: no reason to do anything in the pre draft process.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 5: And I look at a different way too. I also
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 5: look at it and say, his head's in the right
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 5: place because his head is on his rookie season in
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 5: the NFL and he's football training for his rookie campaign
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 5: to you know, he want has big aspirations for his
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 5: rookie season. So would you rather the guy be training
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 5: for forty yard dashes or would you rather play be
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 5: training for the football season. If you're the Patriots and
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 5: are thinking of drafting him at third overall, I'd rather
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 5: than being focused on football and getting ready for this season.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 9: What do you think youngin Yeah, I think we've talked
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 9: about it before when it first came announced, that like
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 9: it can kind of only hurt him, and that's kind
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 9: of yeah, the way I go with it.
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  Speaker 5: You know, I think some people are afraid that he's
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 5: hiding something. That's the fear is that, yeah, he looks
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 5: fast on film, but actually at a forty yard dat,
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 5: he's only a four or five guy, And like, how
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 5: does that change your mind? What would you think of him?
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  Speaker 3: If a team, you know, they get thirty visits, if
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 3: they ask, hey, come on over, what would you say
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 3: if he turned down a visit to a team.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think that will happen from I guess
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 5: the one thing that might happen is if you're said
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 5: team and you're picking twentieth, then he might say no, Yeah,
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 5: but I think for teams, all the teams picking in
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 5: the top ten to twelve picks, which are the teams
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 5: that he Breer said that he asked at the combine,
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 5: do you need me to do anything at my pro day?
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 5: And I guess they all said no, that we all
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 5: trust what you are and whatever.
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  Speaker 9: So yeah, where there would be like a little bit
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 9: of a red flag, ye, because there's like it's like, okay,
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 9: is that arrogance?
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: Is that what's going on?
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 3: Speaking of that, there was a report that you know,
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 3: the Patriots did not go to bo Nix's pro da.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 3: They didn't send anyone there. Pen X there there there
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 3: are people I said b Nix, I meant Penix. Yeah,
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 3: and you know that's fine. And so they said, you know,
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 3: they're definitely not taking Panix. Now, that doesn't mean that
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 3: they don't invite Penix here.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 3: So I think people are jumping to conclusions a little
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 3: bit there that there's no interest in in Panix, and
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 3: I don't think that that's the right conclusion to come to.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: I agree, Yeah, I think jump to any conclusion until
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: literally the drafts done.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 5: I think, yeah, I think that it could go one
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 5: of two ways. Either yeah, Penix is off their board
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 5: because of his medicals or whatever, or they're really interested
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 5: in Penix. They don't want anybody to know, right right.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 5: So I remember when Nate when Nate Solder, they had
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 5: zero pre draft contact with Nate's older. When they picked
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 5: Nate's older in the first round, he was as surprised
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 5: as anybody that he out.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 3: To Colorado two days before the draft.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, you know, like they really were very very
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 5: quiet about that. And that's that's how it is, you know.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 5: I for a lot of these guys. So I think
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 5: that Pennix is a really interesting case because there will
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 5: be some teams will have him completely off the board
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 5: because of his medicals, and if they're one of them,
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 5: then yeah they're out. But I don't think they're out
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 5: for football reasons, you know, film or whatever.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 3: Sam in Toronto, I know the common perception right now
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 3: is that Jayden Daniels will go too. But I find
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 3: it interesting that Daniel Jeremiah, who was regarded as the
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 3: most plugged in draft guy, currently has now published three
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 3: straight mock drafts, with Drake may going too. Every No
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 3: One Things howls out in Mariota in Signals Daniels to
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 3: the Commanders, but less we forget in twenty twenty one
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 3: when the Bears brought in Andy Dalton to draft fields
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 3: and we had Cam Newton and drafted Mac. Personally, I'd
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 3: be happy with either. I just hope we draft a quarterback.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 3: This whole not ready for a QB narrative just bugs me.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 5: I don't think that the reason why people are linking
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 5: Jaden Daniels to the Commanders of anything to do with
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 5: who his backup quarterback is going to be. It's the
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 5: type of offense that Cliff Kingsbury runs, and they people
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 5: envision him wanting to run with a dual threat quarterback.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 3: Next email, Is anyone else concerned about Jaden Daniel's arm strength?
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 3: It reminds me of Mac Jones, the way he throws
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 3: floaters and does not necessarily drive the ball into spots.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 3: His running skills are obviously unique, but his lack of
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 3: zip on the ball makes me nervous.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah. We talked about this a little bit on Catch
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 5: twenty two. It's definitely something that when I go to
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 5: his pro day, you can see how the ball jumps
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 5: out of his hand a little bit better, and see
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 5: how the receivers catch his passes and things like that
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 5: and to to you know, judge the zip on the ball,
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 5: at the velocity on the ball. But because of all
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 5: the other things that he brings to the table that
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 5: Mac didn't bring to the table, you know, obviously the mobility,
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 5: I think it's less of a concern. The issue with
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 5: Mac is that he had he had to be a
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 5: pocket passer. That's how he had to win, and he
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 5: didn't have, you know, the arm talent to do it consistently,
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 5: whereas with Jaden, you know, he can run around and
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 5: make things happen and do things with his legs.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 3: So yeah, Matthew, hi everyone. I know that general consensus
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 3: is Zappi is not good enough. But under the circumstances,
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 3: I thought he came in last year at the end
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 3: and did okay. I was wondering what you all think
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 3: his future is and can be. He may not even
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 3: be on the team.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 5: I feel pretty strongly that he shouldn't kind of can't
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 5: be on the team, especially after I'm sure you saw
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 5: it Alex Instagram, Kendrick Bourne's contract thing party, whatever you
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 5: want to call it. They were all at the dinner.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 5: That whole crew was out the dinner, and you know,
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 5: Zapi stood up to give a speech about Kendrick Bourne
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 5: and the whole room is going QB one, QB one.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 5: You know, this whole thing. I really feel like you
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 5: have to start clean in that room. Everybody out, like I,
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 5: Mac is already out Zappy too. It's nothing to do
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 5: with ability. It's more to just do with with optics.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 5: And I have concerns that the locker room is going
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 5: to Zappi is going to have some port from people
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 5: in the locker room that are his teammates that have
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 5: been around him for the last couple of years, and
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 5: it's gonna be a tough thing for not only the
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 5: rookie but also Jacoby Brissett to win over everybody in
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 5: the locker room if he's still here.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 3: Travis in West Virginia, He says, why so serious? Your
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 3: recent show's a noticeably less funny quirky than they used
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 3: to be. You've really been dwelling on the same topics
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 3: over and over, and I'm tired of people calling in
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 3: with their genius suggestions of what the Patriots should do
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 3: in the draft. If I want this level of redundancy,
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 3: I'll just listen to Weei. I come to you to
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 3: mix it up and entertain me while also being informative.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 3: Can't you occasionally just talk about breaking down cardboard boxes
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 3: and putting the mail by the tuna. Don't get me wrong,
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 3: I love the show and I think you're the best
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 3: in the business. I'm just trying to inject something different
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 3: than the incessant, insufferable talk of Drake may J Daniels
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 3: in the Stupid Dynasty doc. Okay, no, I get it, Travis,
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 3: But when is the last time we had the number
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 3: three pick? That's the thing. I mean. We're an uncharted
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 3: territory here for the Patriots for the last twenty four
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 3: years in that we have a top five pick. So
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 3: I get it. Believe me, I want to fank ot
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 3: the other story.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: You got to give the people what they want.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I've been I was born for this. This is
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 5: this is my time to shine me and me and
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 5: Barth the draft. People actually care about the draft for once.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 5: It's great and.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: I'm here like, can't wait till the off season conversations.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 3: And Zach from Missouri wants to know is Evan Okay?
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 3: He's rocking the same shirt he had on yesterday I'd
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 3: be more than willing to set up a gofund me
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 3: for the duke.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 5: That is we now have.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 3: Did you have a late night last night?
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 5: I did go to the Celtics game. It was a
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 5: little bit later in the outfit as as last night
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 5: Evan came in drunk.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 3: I don't.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 5: I know that's not true, but I did. I did
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 5: meet somebody cool at the Celtics game last night. Jeremy swaymen,
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, you're out to dinner me and my dad
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 5: and uh. I looked over and he was standing at
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 5: the hostess desks, and I was like, oh, that's definitely true.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: You didn't meet him when we had him here two
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: years ago?
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 5: No, no, no, but it was cool. Took a took
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 5: a selfie with him. Nice guy.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: Wow did you ask him for that?
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 5: Of course?
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 3: Cool?
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 5: First season ticket holders?
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 3: So nice?
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: You should print it out put at your desk.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 3: No, you want to do a shout out for the
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 3: restaurant or no?
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 5: I avoid if I could remember the name of it,
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 5: but it's so we actually found remember, No, it's a
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 5: Japanese restaurant. It's got you know. I can't I can't
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 5: remember the exact name. But so at the garden. Now
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 5: they have this like cafeteria courtyard thing, and this Japanese
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 5: restaurant is like right in there, but it's just like
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  Speaker 5: it's small. They just have some tables and stuff like that,
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 5: and unlike all the bars, there's never that long of
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 5: a wait, like I think we waited for like fifteen
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 5: minutes last night. And me and my dad love you know,
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 5: sushi ribs, you know, you know that type of stuff,
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 5: So we just got a couple of plates of sushi.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 5: They have these like specialty ribs. I'll look up the name,
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 5: but uh yeah, I guess swim and also a fan
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 5: of said Asian restaurants. Having dinner with Jeremy Swimon last
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 5: oh nice. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 3: He got criticized for talking too much draft and not
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 3: being funny anymore.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 4: How about pasta with a hat trick dinner? And I
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 4: saw that bare thing where but I told my kid
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 4: like he scored two goals in the first five minutes.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 4: I'm like, hell, he'll have a hat trick tonight.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 5: But yeah, I'm gonna look up the name. You're right, fred,
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 5: I should get How how was Daniel Jeremone dj was great?
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 5: It was great. I you know, I just before we started.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 4: I told him like, hey, I go back to the
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 4: days when you're recording your podcast out of your house.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 4: He's like, oh, I appreciate it. So yeah, it's a
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 4: full circle moment. So you know, I mean, as we
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 4: kind of talked at the top, it happens a lot
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 4: with people. I mean, Evan and I are kind of
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 4: guys like that who just kind of had a passion
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 4: and we're doing it out of their house and trying
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 4: to figure out how to podcast.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 3: And Jeremiah was like, well, Deuce, I was at your
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 3: last game at holy Cross, so you.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 4: Know when we won the MAC championship, thank you very much. Yeah,
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 4: I walked off a winner. But but no, great great
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 4: insight from him. You know, we talked make Daniels good fits.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 4: You know, he was I think of the stick at three,
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 4: make the pick that was, you know, his overall kind
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 4: of feeling he had Jade and Daniels going to the
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 4: Patriots and his.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, everybody's been talking about the fact that he's had
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 3: three straight mocked drafts with May going second.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so I don't like that, but but well we'll see.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 4: As much as I do like Daniels, you know, I
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 4: do it will be tough when then Washington coming on
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 4: all that grank may all right, all right, let's go
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 4: on Daniel.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 3: As being fres Now. I got to tell you, Mike
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 3: might have peaked with that line about Zac Wilson's superpower
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 3: being Mills and just kissed my well.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 4: I gotta give Mad props because it wasn't as quick
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 4: as Matt made it sound in the open today. It
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 4: took a little time for me to get that.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 3: And I love Alex's comment today about the director not
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 3: being a football guy anyway. Years ago on PFW, there
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 3: was a general agreement that when the Dynasty finally ended,
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 3: it probably wouldn't go well, that the landing would probably
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 3: be rocky. Looking back. Did it end better, worse or
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 3: the same as you expected?
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 4: That's a good question, the Dynasty and better or worse,
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 4: or saying I just wish, I just wish it had
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 4: ended after twenty eighteen, like I wish they won the
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 4: Super Bowl, like the Dynasty kind of portrays it, like
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 4: I wish that that was the true ending because for me,
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 4: like I'll always remember covering the nineteen season and how
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 4: miserable that that was, and that's disappointing. It's a great question.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 4: And I always remember Tom's dad saying, it's not gonna
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 4: end well. And I've always especially with the way that
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 4: Bill was, you had to know that it was gonna
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 4: be a little clunky.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 5: I probably a little worse.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 4: Probably a little worse. I would have liked to have
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 4: seen Bill, you know, go out, not kind of getting
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 4: you know, kicked on the way not that, not that
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 4: we kicked him on the way out, but it just
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 4: it was down years he had.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 5: You know, it was a that part. I always think
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 5: of the dynasty ending after Brady left, like I did, Well,
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 5: it was.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 4: I mean, it was a staggered ending. I guess you
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 4: knew it wasn't probably they were gonna, you know, hop
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 4: on a horse together and ride off into the sunset.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 5: But I think it was. I just I think it
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 5: was it kind of caught up to him.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 4: You know that the sixteen seventeen eighteen drafts, like that's
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 4: that's where the dynasty kind of died. I think are
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 4: then those draft misses from sixteen to nineteen, and you know,
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 4: by the time you had a little bit of a
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 4: rise up when you went, you know, balls to the
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 4: wall and free agency and that kind of you know
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 4: righted the ship for a moment, but it was just
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 4: too much. They didn't have a corps anymore. And you know,
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 4: I I to me, it's it's all about those drafts
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 4: and what they missed on.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, nobody could have predicted Brady leaving for
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 3: the Bucks and winning a Super Bowl.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 9: No, you know, but it just I just wish, I'm
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 9: I mean, twenty years is a long time. The fact
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 9: that they kept it together is a miracle in and
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 9: of itself. But I just wish maybe hindsight's twenty twenty
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 9: maybe they I just wish they realized, like in the moment,
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 9: like this is so much bigger than our own individual egos,
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 9: Like let's just find a way to make this work
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 9: because we're like it was so magical.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 3: It really was. Yeah, But I think Brady still felt
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 3: he had more to.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: Do with sure to prove and I wish he was here.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 3: As much to himself as to anyone else.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 5: And I think to Deuce's point, though, it probably wasn't
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 5: going to be here regardless, just because of the state
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 5: of the roster at that point, especially once Gronkowski retired
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 5: and Edelman started to really get all caught up to
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 5: him physically. I mean, you look at that that twenty
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 5: nineteen you know, twenty twenty excuse me, roster, and if
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 5: Brady comes back, I mean, what is he going to
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 5: do with that team? Like even him, you know, like
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 5: just yeah, and that was a team that you know,
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 5: in nineteen, he carried that team to the playoff, you know,
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 5: with a good defense against bad teams. But I just
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 5: what would he have done with the twenty twenty team.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 5: It would not have been I'm sure they would have
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 5: had a winning record because it's Tom Brady, but you know,
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 5: in general, it just wouldn't have been different. I don't think.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 3: I mean, I.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 5: I guess.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 3: I guess it ended kind of the way in terms
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 3: of just feeling and you know, animosity or respect. I
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 3: think it ended the way I thought it might. Yeah,
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 3: you know, like again, I didn't think Brady was gonna
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 3: go win a Super Bowl with another team, but I figured,
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 3: you know, he could end up on another team. We
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 3: talked about it. You know, all the greats, seemingly most
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 3: of them, you know, Joe Montana and Aaron Rodgers, they
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 3: all left for other teams. Even go back to Joe Namath,
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 3: who I was a big fan of went for another
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 3: you know, like a wizard, Michael George. You know, so
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 3: that's not surprising. It's not surprising. There was some animosity.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 3: You know, why leave if you're you're truly happy. But
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 3: at the same time, you know, it's a little surprising
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 3: that Bill got canned and then he comes out and
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 3: does a press conference all smiles, mutual, you know, sure,
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 3: you know, getting paid in full, you know, softens the landing.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 3: You know. I think I think you're going to see
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 3: over time that as bad as it was, I think
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 3: to your point, Alex, they all do realize how great
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 3: it was as well, and you'll see evidence of that
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 3: in the next you know, coming months, in the years.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 4: I mean, I think if there was you know, a
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 4: good thing for Patriots fans to come out of the
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 4: dynasty was just a there's a large group of fans
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 4: now that I think, I have a little more appreciation
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 4: for Bill and they're defending him a.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 5: Little bit more. But you know what it was like
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 5: for the last three years after Tom left, everybody blamed Bill.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 4: Everyone kicked Bill. That was he was the you know,
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 4: the horse that it was getting beat by all the fans.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 4: And you know, so now it's it's changed. Unfortunately now
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 4: it's the owner and crosshairs, it seems like. But I
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 4: just think that that's gonna kind of open the door
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 4: for Bill when he does come back, that he's going
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 4: to really be embraced. And I think, you know, and
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 4: that's why I like the way the dynasty ended. I
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 4: do think it ended on a positive note.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 3: And you know, it would surprise me more is if
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 3: when Bill goes into the Canton Hall of Fame, Robert
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 3: and Tom Brady aren't there. Oh yeah, that would shock me.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 3: Of course they'll be.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 5: Do you think he's going to be there in June?
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 3: Yes, Brady?
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, good, No, but I would assume he's going
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 4: to be.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 3: Robert writes in While I like what the new regime
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 3: has done so far with retention and depth, with so
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 3: many needs, I don't see how they keep the third pick.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 3: If they can pick up another first round of this
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 3: year and additional picks for this in the next draft,
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 3: how could they say no?
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 4: I just again, if you believe that one of these quarterbacks,
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 4: that you believe in them, you're not going to have
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 4: a chance probably to get I mean, look at how
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 4: hard it was to get to three you know at
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 4: this point, Like I mean, I still have people send
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 4: messages they never should have be donever. You know, it's
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 4: that's gonna happen. They're gonna win games. You're the third
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 4: overall pick, You're probably not gonna get a chance, and
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 4: you're you're you're doing this in a year where there
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 4: are three good quarterbacks that are worthy of that pick.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 4: So I just think, unless you vehemently feel like Jayden
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 4: Daniels can't play, then you stay and you take the quarterback.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I just I would ask people, and I know
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 5: that it's probably not the right reason that to do
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 5: it out of fear, but how would you feel if
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 5: the Patriots traded out of the third overall pick and
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 5: Drake May goes on to be an MVP quarterback and
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 5: the Patriots are stuck in this quarterback purgatory left tackle?
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 5: You're right, and they're just there's no And I think
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 5: that in some ways that's why teams reach on quarterbacks
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 5: is out of that fear that they're the team that
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 5: passed up the quarterback. But I think that that's.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: Quarterback and also end up in purgatory.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 5: It's like, yeah, I think that that's that's the question
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 5: to you know, just a different way kind of asking
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 5: the same question that Deuce is asking, is you know,
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 5: if you feel that this guy has that type of potential,
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 5: do you want to be the team in three years
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 5: that passed on Drake May Like, do you want to
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 5: be the team in three years that passed on Jaden Daniels.
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 5: That's gonna look bad as the Chicago Bears out looks
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 5: had to pass on Patrick Mahomes for Mitchell Trubisky, you know,
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 5: like it's really you do that, and you're really risking
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 5: it if you're this region.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 4: But even like sticking with that point with the Bears,
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 4: like I don't and it's not totally Apple Staples, but
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 4: I don't think anyone's saying, like you idiots for drafting
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 4: Justin Fields at this point, like it didn't work out,
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 4: But yeah, in hindsight, that was the pick.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 5: Like you know, Mac, there's no regrets.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 3: There were people Patriots fans lamenting that the Patriots didn't
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 3: move up to get Justin Fields.
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, oh yeah, oh, I mean you know there's still
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 5: people that think he can play.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 10: Yea.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 4: So I mean, I mean Paul was a big Justin
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 4: Fields guy, and he would have he would have been ecstatic,
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 4: and you know that's that's just how it goes, Like,
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 4: you know, these guys have the traits, and I mean
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 4: we've talked about it. You know, it's I used the
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 4: Pennox example is just if you really don't believe in
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 4: a guy and he's there and you're feeling, like to
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 4: Evan's point of that pressure of like we just we
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 4: don't have a quarterback and he's not perfect and we
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 4: don't really like him, but there's no one else, and
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 4: you know, and you.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 5: Get forced in it.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 4: Like it's just it would take real courage to pass
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 4: on that when you really need it, because you just
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 4: have confidence in your conviction that he's not the guy, even.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 5: Though you need a quarterback. Yeah, and I think a
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 5: lot of people to say, oh, it's the third quarterback,
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 5: Like you know, you're not even getting the best quarterback.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 5: But there was a big difference between drafting the third
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 5: quarterback and drafting the fifth quarterback. And it's at fifteen
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 5: instead of three. You know, this quarterback class, Drake May,
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 5: if it's Drake May or Jaden, same thing, Like they
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 5: might have been the number one quarterback in other classes.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 5: They certainly would have been that in twenty twenty two,
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 5: like all these guys would have been drafted way ahead
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 5: of Kenny Pickett. So like that's the thing you also
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 5: have to look at, is yes, because there's a Caleb
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 5: Williams in this class. Drake May is not the number
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 5: one quarterback on the board, but Caleb Williams would be
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 5: the number one quarterback in pretty much every single class.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 3: Here's a question, and I guess Evan, maybe you're most
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 3: qualified to answer, but anyone can. If Trevor Lawrence was
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 3: in this draft, where would you.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 5: Go one one? I think? But there are people that
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 5: would say that Caleb would go ahead of him. There
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 5: are I think that Trevor Lawrence was a safer than Caleb.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 5: I think he was a more natural pocket quarterback than
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 5: Caleb is, whereas Caleb has the improv stuff going on
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 5: for him.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 3: So you said that with no pause, Yeah, does that
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 3: give you any second guess about like how good these
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 3: quarterbacks actually are?
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 5: No, because I would say that Caleb is in the
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 5: same tier as Trevor Lawrence, and I would rank Drake
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 5: May and a Jaden Daniels ahead of a Zach Wilson
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 5: and ahead of a Trey Lance and.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean, like now, in hindsight, I mean,
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 3: what is that saying?
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 5: But I would have done it back then.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 3: I mean, Bailey Zappi's ahead of those guys, but it would.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 5: Have done it, like just based off of like how
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 5: you're grading them coming out of college. You know, It's okay,
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 5: it's not about hindsight. Like I can pull up the
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 5: grade that I had on Zack Wilson and it's the
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 5: grade I have on Jaden Daniels as higher, you know,
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 5: And so that's it's just the way that you look
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 5: at it. Like Mac Jones for me, was a ceiling
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 5: of an NFL starter, like a competent NFL starter, and
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 5: these guys are ceiling of MVP caliber quarterback. You know,
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 5: Like that's that's a big, big difference. Yeah, but it's always.
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 4: Every year is a combination two of guys like Trevor
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 4: Lawrence and lesser extent Williams. I agree with Evan that
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 4: are NFL ready and you know, guys like Josh Allen
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 4: or Mahomes that have some questions. And you know there's
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 4: no rule though that only a certain amount of quarterbacks
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 4: can hit you have. You know, there are drafts where
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 4: that quarterback taken just that you know, around the tenth
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 4: pick it actually hits and the guy who's the third doesn't.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 4: There's no rhyme or reason to you know, every year,
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 4: oh you're getting the third quarterback. Sometimes the third quarterback
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 4: turns out to be the best player, you.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 5: Know, So I mean, the second quarterback was the best
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 5: player last year. And I would also just say that
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 5: not every team has the same board. And I think
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 5: this is the hardest part about draft season when it
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 5: comes to predicting the draft, is that all thirty two
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 5: teams have a different board. So you could talk to
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 5: ten of them and you could get a consensus out
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 5: of those ten. But all it takes is one of
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 5: those teams to like JJ McCarthy more than they like
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 5: Drake May, and then JJ McCarthy all of a sudden
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 5: goes ahead of May. You know, like that's that's all
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 5: it takes. In a lot of cases, I think that
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 5: that's this the order that they come off the board in.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 5: It's not consistently always, Like you said, dude, that's the
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 5: way that it ends up being that this was the
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 5: best quarterback, that was the second best quarterback, that was
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 5: the third best. I mean just last year.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's certainly appealing when you look at
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 4: a guy like Trevor Lawrence and you say he's ready,
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 4: he's ready to pop into an NFL offense ye for years,
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 4: you know, like never lost a game in whatever, like
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 4: thirty years or whatever it was. You know, so I
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 4: don't know that's and that's why I say, like Daniels
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 4: in May, they they they need to develop, they have
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 4: you know, they're not ready made, you know, not to
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 4: spoil DJ, but he felt like both guys could hop right.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 5: In and play, you know, almost immediately, so you know, it's.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: It's just there was like a really strong consensus, because
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: that's I think it happened. I think it just makes
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 2: me so apprehensive because there's no consensus.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 3: Like when Elway he was everyone knew he was going
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 3: to be great, and he was great. Peyton Manning everyone
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 3: knew who was going to be great and he was great.
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 3: You know, like you don't get that anymore a lot.
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah, if Caleb didn't have he wasn't Caleb, and he
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 5: didn't have all, you know, all the personality quirks that
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 5: he has, then I think that he would be considered
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 5: that type of player but for some.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 2: People I'm talking about between Daniels.
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 5: And may that to me that and I agree that
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 5: there is no consensus, but I think that stems from
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 5: playing style. They're so stark in how they different in
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 5: how they play than it's a flavor thing. It's do
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 5: you what do you want Lamar Jackson or do you
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 5: want Josh Allen? And some people are going to favor
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 5: one and over the other. So both of them had
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 5: the same ceiling of MVP. But it's just right, and
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 5: so that's hard, you know, some people just prefer one
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 5: style over the other.
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 3: Uh, Deuce's list, says Audrey. One more key moment for
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 3: Duce's List that wasn't used in The Dynasty Brady's freak
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 3: thumb injury, his amazing quick stitch up and proactive healing
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 3: work with Alex and then playing great and all BB
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 3: said was, well it is an open heart surgery. I
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 3: bet Brady was furious. Another fat log on the fire one.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 5: That's a good one.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 3: I do.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 4: There are a couple other two that that I forgot
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 4: to write down, But you know, again, like I don't
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 4: need like twenty minutes on each of those moments. I
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 4: just think they were significant moments in the story of
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 4: the dynasty in that you know, like, like, I don't
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 4: need a full segment on the Wildcat game, but you
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 4: could show me that as part of the two thousand
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 4: and eight season to kind of illustrate the point that
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 4: the defense was getting old. And I mean Bill says
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 4: it himself in that documentary, we couldn't beat the good teams.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 4: And you know, I think that that's a point that
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 4: every every filmmaker is going to tell the story from
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 4: their perspective. But and it's hard, Like if I had
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 4: been on that Hammi check thing, I look, I'm the worst,
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 4: You're not worst nightmare because I.
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 5: Know all of this. I live in all of us,
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 5: every moment you miss. But what would it have gotten?
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 4: But in my not defense? Like am I not defense?
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 10: Like?
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 5: But would it have gotten bogged down?
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 3: And not?
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 5: No, you know, but it needed Hammicheck. Directing it in
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 5: that way is fine, but it needed a Mike to
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 5: sew mister Hollywood to cut that has the background of
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 5: knowing what it's like to make a documentary the way
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 5: he's trying to make it, but also has the knowledge
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 5: of the Patriots dynasty to be like, but you're missing.
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 5: You know, we could just to add these pieces in.
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 2: Our fans are Rabbit fans. They know everything, they remember it.
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think too that like maybe the biggest miss though,
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 4: when we're talking about things that they didn't do for
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 4: Bill was the twenty one game win Street, because I
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 4: think that's kind of where the Patriots became the Patriots,
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 4: and they became that one game at a time, you know,
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 4: and I've said it before that what I always kind
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 4: of what I take what I love about Bill and
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 4: his coaching style was the focus on today, focus on
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 4: you know, it's the saying be here now that that
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 4: people sometimes use. I think that kind of sums up
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 4: what his coaching philosophy and really you know, came down to.
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 4: And you had a team that really believed in that,
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 4: and you know, Paul talked about you know another one
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 4: bites the Dust that they would play in O seven.
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 4: That to me that they they kind of just glossed
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 4: over that stuff.
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 12: You know.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 5: Hamicheck wanted to put the spotlight on eight as a
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 5: drink the Bill.
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 4: I think the much bigger spotlight was on those two
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 4: seasons that win streak, how they won games however they
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 4: needed to and you know, defensively, they really emerged into
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 4: like just this nightmare of a team to have to
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 4: deal with the O one.
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 5: Pats weren't really that. They became the.
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 4: Patriots the Patriot way that term that was three h four.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, let's go back to the phones. Uh Todd's in
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 3: North Carolina.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 19: Hey, Todd, you know, I've been liking the dynasty talk
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 19: both past and future, and I think you guys have
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 19: been doing a great job of really just breaking it
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 19: down and letting us all no kind of you know,
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 19: all the perspectives involved. But I think we're missing one here.
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 19: The big one where is missing here is probably how
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 19: are we doing the po transition here? Like is Bart's
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 19: going to be Fred? And then you've got maybe Duce's Paul?
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 19: How do you how are you guys figuring on transitions?
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 5: This dynasty is not ending anytime. I just got skipped
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 5: over from Bar apparently something of that.
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 19: No, No, you're Eric, Evan, You're You're Eric, but a
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 19: good Eric.
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 3: I know a lot more about So in your story,
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 3: do I go to like the forty nine ers and
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 3: win an Emmy or something, or.
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 4: Like, you know, I think you're kind of Bill Fred.
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 8: I think we're going to push you in more flash
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 8: than that.
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 19: I think you probably go down to the rams or something.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think Paul's Tom.
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 4: I think Paul's Tom, Fred's Bill.
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 5: I think so. Yeah, that's never given me be another Paul.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 5: I mean that's the I mean, especially these days, we'll
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 5: never could never find.
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 19: My problem is who's going to be the Andy and
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 19: the new one? Like you guys have never transitioned to
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 19: an Andy yet.
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I mean there's only so many in the
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 5: world finishing each other.
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 8: Anyway.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 19: I love the show. Thank you guys for all that
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 19: you do in this crazy time. And yeah, keep us on,
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 19: keep us in formed, all.
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 3: Right, Thank doctor. I appreciate it. Mike's and Puerto Rico.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 5: Hey, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike. No, okay, yeah,
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 5: find one who's been a little bit. Yeah, walking Korean
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 5: is in Boston.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 20: Hey, Kareem, Hey, guys, Boston scream. Also it's Kareem and Boston.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 20: How to folks.
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 3: Hello, we've got a character here.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 10: What's going on?
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 20: Another another great phone call by Todd. He can put
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 20: away the pads.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 3: Now, Wow, I love it.
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 5: Listener listener, just have a donut.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 20: No, I love Todd because every single phone call is
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 20: more entertaining than.
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 3: His good He's got a whole routine.
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 5: I love it.
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 20: Yeah, let's take a little spin on this. Your guys,
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 20: off season is coming up. Tell me one thing you
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 20: guys are looking forward to do this offseason.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 5: The off season we don't have. I mean maybe two
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 5: weeks in early July between mini camp and training campers
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 5: a little bit.
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 3: I hope to play tennis. I hope to play golf.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 4: I'm going to LA for my annual visit with my
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 4: in laws and the l A trip, so I'm looking
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 4: forward to that. Getting some food. As I mentioned, my
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 4: favorite dessert place is back in business, so he's very
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 4: there for my birthday. The Oreo teamsue you're going down.
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 5: They're very excited about the dessert place.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry, like it's just my favorite.
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 3: Evan's going to catch up on his film study.
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 2: I married this off season.
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 5: Next off season, Uh, you will go to Martha's Vineyard
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 5: for for a trip like we always do. I won't
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 5: be as as exciting as last year, when you know,
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 5: I got engaged, Like I can't really top that, But
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 5: we'll have a good time.
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 2: I got some bachelorettes.
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you're in that phase of life. How much
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 4: money you're gonna have to drop on bachelorette dresses, travel parties?
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 2: Last summer, well last summer. The one that got me
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 2: is the wedding that cut canceled when I showed up.
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 5: I gotta admit I just I'm no thanks, Just like
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 5: give my if you won't feel the need to give
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 5: me a spot, just give me my spot to somebody else,
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 5: like I I just there's not.
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 4: Wait, what's the our bachelor party going to be?
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 10: Like?
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 3: What is that you want?
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 5: That's an off there conversation. Give me, you don't want
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 5: to you don't want to documented.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 3: What you're They hired darren A Lawski to come into
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 3: a strip tease. He comes out of a cake.
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 5: What we got here is me.
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 4: I went to Vegas for my bachelor party, and it
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 4: was you know what, that's a place to do your bachelor.
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 5: In my you know, like that would be where I
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 5: would want to go. But we've also been to Vegas
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 5: so many times over the last couple of years because
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 5: of the team that I'm kind of all Vegas out,
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 5: like I've I've been there done that sort of thing,
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 5: so maybe something a little different.
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 3: I do need to take my wife there. She's never
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 3: been to Vegas. It's nice.
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 4: I need to stay at Paris.
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 5: It's very romantic. It's you know, the fake Eiffel Tower.
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 4: Don't do not stay at the ex calip That was
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 4: where we stayed at my bachelor party, which was we
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 4: got comp to. We got the brunch where the lux
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 4: do not stay at the luxor the ex Caliber's bad
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 4: to we got comps, like you know, we're like, hey,
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 4: we thought we were a big time getting comped to
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 4: the to the brunch, and I like, I like desserts.
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't even eat the desserts of the brunch.
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 5: It was I'm not a hotel, not like wherever we
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 5: stay is always more than fine with me. But that
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 5: what you wrote in the in the poll in the
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 5: nfl A survey that I didn't get a participate. I
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 5: didn't get to take that. But the Luxe or I
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 5: will never step foot in that building ever again. It
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 5: was that bad. They're trashy. But like the Bellagio's really now.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 4: Hotel, great food, you know.
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 5: The wind, you can get anything there, even like even
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 5: even Harris is like it's still cheap, if you know.
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 5: I used to go there when I was younger, when
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 5: I had no money, But it's at least nicer than
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 5: like the Scalibur lux or like Chopicana.
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 4: My favorite poor person move in the in the lux
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 4: or in the casinos was is just play the penny
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 4: slots and sit there and let them bring you free drinks.
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 5: And then you know, get going and get That's how
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 5: you money.
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 4: You're like one penny, like anybody a waitress, you know,
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 4: like another one, you know, like then after like six peers,
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 4: I've only spent twelve cents.
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, let's see, Ryan writes in so I had wanted
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 3: to wait until free agency calm down to play this game.
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 3: You are to send Scott Zolak back to a historic
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 3: Patriots team to play out the season as the number
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 3: one quarterback with the sole purpose of getting as many
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 3: wins as possible. What year do you send Zoe back to?
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 3: Where and when does this man have the best shot
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 3: at getting those sweet sweet ws.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 5: Oh man, it's a better question for two definitely.
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 4: I mean probably in that kind of eighties, when you know,
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 4: after their Super Bowl run, when they still had some talent,
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 4: but you know Grogan was starting to break down.
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 5: Easton wasn't the answer.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 4: I mean, I wouldn't send Zoe back to like the
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 4: ninety ninety one ninety two teenthugh where they were terrible.
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 4: But you know maybe with with Stanley Morgan at the end,
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 4: Zoe could have could have picked up some dubs.
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 3: Do you think he'd have been better in two thousand
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 3: and eight than Castle? Like you know, Zoe at his peak,
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 3: his peak.
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 4: Pat And I've got to be honest, I love me
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 4: some Zoe, like I love backup quarterbacks like Gardner Minshew
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 4: with like a little flare, like they're not that good,
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 4: but they just have a little.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 5: No no, no, it's a modern zo Well Minshew just yeah, yeah, minch. Yeah.
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 5: You know he's got some personality like like could you
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 5: picture Mintschew and you ask him if you'd like that comparison?
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 5: Your Gardener's that bad?
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 4: Well, but can't you picture Minshew Like, Oh, he's gonna
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 4: he's in Vegas now, Like, oh, he's gonna hang around
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 4: in Vegas and be like the radio guy, like you
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 4: can totally believe it.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 3: He's got Yeah, he's got some I remember when Zoe
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 3: had his little run. He got came in and went
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 3: ripped off a few games and like his dad was
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 3: on the night the sports shows and he was you know,
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 3: it was all zo And I mean there's a reason.
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 4: Why the guy stuck around and has become like kind
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 4: of an icon in New England, like and that's how
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 4: he was when he played.
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 3: Like you know, if you can have a good nickname,
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 3: you can stick around longer.
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 13: Him.
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 5: He is a character. Oh, I mean just watching Zoe
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 5: in the wild is something else.
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 3: Man.
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 4: I've done a couple of shows with him, like where
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 4: we do, you know, our little Patriots analysis and usually
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 4: you're just kind of off the car and you just
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 4: don't know where he's going with something all of a sudden,
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 4: But what do you think about that?
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 3: Mc go, Like what did you say?
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 5: He knows exactly how he is on on the sports
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 5: tub is how but he's like that there's no off.
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 3: It would be so funny, I think instead of gerber
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 3: As they fed him at all when Oh my god,
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 3: he's the best.
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 5: I always just love when we're doing this show and
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 5: then he'll walk in and you're like, oh there's you know,
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 5: I just I love that one. You know where the
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 5: buses are leaving in five minutes, and so gets on
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 5: and all of us have been sitting there for two hours.
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Tim and soci together just such a combo.
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 3: Uh chat in Atlanta. I don't get the hype for
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 3: Kendrick Bourne. I get it. The guy has a great smile,
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 3: silly personality, but that doesn't help you win games. I
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 3: hated the signing in twenty one, and I hated them
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 3: bringing him back the season. I just don't think he's
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 3: that talented. Patriots fans have been so starved for wide
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 3: receiver since that one game with Antonio Brown that they'll
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 3: eat up a fringe wide receiver great.
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 4: I don't think that he is the next coming of anything.
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 4: I would just say the guy was on pace for
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 4: like eighty five catches.
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 3: And if we had a WR one and maybe a
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 3: WR two, he'd be a good receiver. Yeah, and you'd
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 3: be like glad to have Kendrick.
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 5: If he's not getting paid anything, right, So what it
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 5: was stressing about, and.
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 9: It's just good vibes like you right, this offense desperately
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 9: needed well you see.
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 5: I mean if they paid him like he was a
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 5: number one, if they paid him twenty million, dollars and
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 5: I'd understand totally why we get emails like that. But
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 5: they're paying him like he should be paid. He's making
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 5: like a base salary of six million dollars next year.
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 3: If if if the weight of the offense wasn't on
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 3: his shoulders, which at times it was, he'd be.
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 4: Fine, I mean fine if his name wasn't Kendrick Bourne.
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 4: And he played for another team last year and he staid,
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 4: here's a guy who is you know what twenty nine.
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 4: I mean, he's, you know, still on the right side
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 4: of thirty, that was having a career year and was
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 4: you know, one of the only bright spots in arguably
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 4: the worst offense in the league. And hey, he tore
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 4: his ACL. We're going to take a cheap flyer on
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 4: this guy. People would be kind of contrigued. But because
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 4: he's the known commodity and it's Kendrick Bourne and you know,
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 4: lover matehim that people are just kind of like, oh,
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 4: I don't want him back, Like I'm fine with it,
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 4: Like who knows he comes back.
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 5: Maybe he's also an analytics darling for what it's worthy,
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 5: the analytics every year, and they loved him in San Francisco, too,
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 5: because even though he's not a high volume guy, he's
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 5: really really efficient with the targets that he does get.
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 5: He catches the ball at a high rate and he
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 5: gets a lot of yards out of it too. So
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 5: he's somebody that is that perfect wide receiver three that's
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 5: you know, when you throw him the ball, he produces,
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 5: but he's not necessarily going to get the hundreds of
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 5: rack abilities.
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 3: Did anyone see his YouTube tour of his little room
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 3: at his house.
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 5: I love it.
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 2: Kendrick's vlog channel is amazing.
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 5: It's so funny.
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 3: I kind of laugh because, like he's got the shirts
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 3: that he's got from players.
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 2: It's like a college kids, yea, they like nobody married.
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 3: Like I didn't even recognize any of the names of
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 3: the shirts that he had up there, and he's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: here's all my shirts.
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  Speaker 5: And I don't know, I could, I could.
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  Speaker 4: I'm I'm good with not seeing anymore of the you know,
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 4: behind the scenes videos.
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  Speaker 5: These guys, I like, you were just disappeared. They just
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 5: disappeared into here. When I gave my my Zappie take,
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 5: I just be one. He needs to be gone, Like.
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  Speaker 2: You think that was a joke. He needs very serious
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 2: about that.
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  Speaker 4: I got to be honest, I don't really like there's
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 4: a whole Felgrim mass thing. And then Paul, I know
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 4: Paul's on this train too that they like he's like
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 4: there on it. He's got like an attitude and he's
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 4: too cocky, and I'm like, what, I just don't get it,
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 4: Like and I've I've you know, I sat next to
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 4: him at a function once and like he's just a
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 4: nice kid.
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  Speaker 5: He's a quarterback.
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  Speaker 3: I don't.
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 4: I just don't get that whole thing that they have
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 4: this whole narrative going that he Yeah, you know.
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  Speaker 3: I don't.
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  Speaker 5: That's definitely not my my issue with Zappy again, Like
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 5: it isn't even performance, like it's not to do it
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 5: on the field. I just think that a lot of
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 5: those guys, and I think Hendrick in particular has a
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 5: lot of pull in that receiver room. And if we
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 5: get into week one and it's like Zappi versus Brissette,
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 5: they're all going with Zappie right now, and I'm.
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 4: Just like, I don't know, Well, you'll see.
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 5: I mean maybe they're like Zami's cool, but.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 3: People like him. Yeah, so I think he'll He's a
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 3: good dude. Yeah, he'll be He'll have been here all summer.
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 3: He'll have plenty of time to win.
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 5: I don't need a divided locker room. I don't need it.
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 2: No, I don't think it's going to be divided.
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 9: I don't see this as Kendrick kind of stepping into
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 9: a more leadership role. He's one of the few veterans
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 9: on offense coming back that totally.
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 2: Trying to take these kids. I'm not way they're just
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 2: hanging out. I don't think he's gonna start like a
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 2: quarterback Riot.
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 4: Who's can who can be nicer? That's what they're Jacobe
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 4: or Zapie.
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 5: Who's gonna be nicer?
• 1:54:47
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