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9/25/26: Netanyahu Attacks Mamdani's Wife At U.N., Top AI Expert Roman Yampolskiy, Private Polls Doom Republicans, LA Mayor Candidate Nithya Raman · Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

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  Speaker 3: Good morning, everybody. Friday, September 25th here for another Breaking
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  Speaker 1: So far, so good.
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  Speaker 4: And we've got 40 days until the midterms.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, exactly. That's the count?
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  Speaker 4: I think so. I think so. It's either 40 or 39.
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  Speaker 4: So we'll say 40. It sounds nicer.
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  Speaker 3: 40 days, 40 nights. Lots to get into with the
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  Speaker 3: midterms here. We also have an AI safety researcher that
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  Speaker 3: we're going to speak to today, Roman Yapolsky. We'll be
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  Speaker 3: We're also gonna be speaking to LA city council member
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  Speaker 3: Nithya Raman, who is running for LA mayor and just
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  Speaker 3: had a poll showing her leading the incumbent Karen Bass
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  Speaker 3: by double digits. And we've got a little bit of
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  Speaker 3: midterm news to get into. But Crystal, why don't we
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  Speaker 3: start at the UN where Mr. Benjamin Netanyahu spoke and
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  Speaker 3: caused quite a stir. Why don't we start with this
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  Speaker 3: clip about the beepers.
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  Speaker 5: Israel hammered Hamas. We pummeled Hezbollah.
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  Speaker 6: Remember the beepers? Remember?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I can tell you this.
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  Speaker 6: Because Bala certainly remembers them.
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  Speaker 4: So regular stand-up, Griffin. As a fellow stand-up, how do
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  Speaker 4: you rate him?
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  Speaker 3: Well, it was getting a little more claptor than laughter there,
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  Speaker 3: which is never a good sign. Just normal stuff. Crystal,
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  Speaker 3: was there any moment in particular that you wanted to
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  Speaker 3: focus on from this speech?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, well. I mean, just love to see us celebrating
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  Speaker 1: acts of terrorism, state-sponsored terrorism at the U.N. And worth
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  Speaker 1: keeping in mind when you hear that applause coming for
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  Speaker 1: that particular act of terrorism, many of the delegations actually
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  Speaker 1: walked out. And I think you have some of that
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  Speaker 1: we could put up on the screen. And so the
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  Speaker 1: chamber was relatively empty there. The Israelis brought in, you know,
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of their people to enthusiastically clap things like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, mass murder. So that's part of what was
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  Speaker 1: going on there. There was also another moment where he
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  Speaker 1: seemed to be threatening. I mean, the bring the beeper
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  Speaker 1: itself is kind of low key a threat. And then
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  Speaker 1: he also made this mention of, you know, the whole U.N.
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  Speaker 1: could be blown up with a ballistic missile. So just
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  Speaker 1: saying pretty wild stuff altogether. There was also I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I also took this as sort of low key threatening.
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  Speaker 1: There was an Israeli representative who was walking around. checking
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  Speaker 1: a list of which delegations walked out so that they
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  Speaker 1: could keep tabs. on who stayed in the room and
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  Speaker 1: who were the, in Netanyahu's words, moral cowards who exited
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  Speaker 1: the scene. So, you know, he's the fact that he
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  Speaker 1: is there, that he is indicted by the ICC, but
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  Speaker 1: no action happens with that, that the United States continues
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  Speaker 1: to provide diplomatic cover, that the Trump regime is explicitly
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  Speaker 1: trying to destroy the ICC. I mean, all of these
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  Speaker 1: things just to say they make a mockery of international
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  Speaker 1: law is just not strong enough language.
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  Speaker 7: Should we talk about how he mentioned Hassan Piker during
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  Speaker 7: his U.N. General Assembly speech?
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  Speaker 4: Do we have that clip, Griffin?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, do we have that clip? Of course. The clip
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  Speaker 3: heard around the world, tackling the number one issue that's
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  Speaker 3: been working for both centrist Democrats and Republicans, attacking Hassan Piker.
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  Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.
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  Speaker 6: It changed so quickly. It's no wonder.
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  Speaker 8: You praise criminals convicted of supporting Hamas. You count his friends,
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  Speaker 8: people like Hassan Taiker, who said America deserved 9-11. America
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  Speaker 8: deserved 9-11.
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  Speaker 6: Some friends you have.
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  Speaker 3: And Ryan, do you remember what Netanyahu said right after 9-11?
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  Speaker 9: His immediate reaction was, it's very good. And then he
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  Speaker 9: apparently corrected himself and said, well, It's not very good,
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  Speaker 9: but it will be very good for us. It will
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  Speaker 9: bring us immediate sympathy. His understanding of the moment was
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  Speaker 9: that they were locked in a struggle with the Palestinians
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  Speaker 9: and that this would, through the process of Islamophobia, kind
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  Speaker 9: of transform a lot of people into Islamophobes that he
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  Speaker 9: could then channel into support for Israel.
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  Speaker 5: That was his immediate.
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  Speaker 9: I don't know if he ever apologized for saying it's
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  Speaker 9: very good, but he walked it back. He just meant
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  Speaker 9: that it was going to be very good for him.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, the Hassan mention is so unhinged, like never
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  Speaker 1: in my wildest dreams would I have imagined that Phoebe
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  Speaker 1: Netanyahu in front of the U.N. General Assembly would be
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  Speaker 1: shouting out and attacking a leftist Twitch streamer. But, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the Hassan derangement has no limits whatsoever. And this also
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  Speaker 1: comes on the day that there was actually some polling
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  Speaker 1: that came out. on how people feel about Hassan Piker,
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  Speaker 1: if they condemn Hassan Piker. And he was quite underwater
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  Speaker 1: on his favorability. But the biggest point of the poll
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  Speaker 1: was that most people were like, who? I'm sorry, what?
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  Speaker 4: What are you talking about?
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  Speaker 1: And, you know, this ties in with the midterms thing.
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  Speaker 1: Republicans have bet a significant amount of their midterm strategy
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  Speaker 1: on the demonization of Hassan Piker. And I think you
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  Speaker 1: can see at this point from the way that the
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  Speaker 1: bottom seems to be falling out in almost every regard
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  Speaker 1: for Republicans that that strategy has not paid dividends for them.
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  Speaker 7: I also just wanted to mention from Netanyahu's vantage point,
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  Speaker 7: there are a lot of different things he could invoke
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  Speaker 7: when it comes to Hassan Piker. He could invoke the
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  Speaker 7: quote about how he said, the one that he said,
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  Speaker 7: Hamas and a lesser of two evils.
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  Speaker 4: Hamas is better than Israel every day.
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  Speaker 3: I think at one point he said he would vote
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  Speaker 3: for Hamas.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: So Netanyahu, from his point of view, if he wanted
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  Speaker 7: to mention Hasan Piker, there are other ways he could
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  Speaker 7: have tried to find an in to kind of demonize
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  Speaker 7: Hasan Piker. He chose one that was intentionally meant to
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  Speaker 7: play on American emotions. And I thought that was like
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  Speaker 7: very cynical and sinister from him.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, just think about the things that he
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  Speaker 1: himself has, the genocidal things he himself has said, not
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  Speaker 1: to mention those who directly serve in his government, including
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  Speaker 1: literal terrorists. So, you know, to... To be upset about
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  Speaker 1: something that Hassan said about 9-11, which, by the way,
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  Speaker 1: he's explained and walked back himself and tried to, in
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  Speaker 1: your words, Emily, emotionally manipulate people. Like, clearly, this is
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  Speaker 1: a tactic that's working with some Republicans in the base
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  Speaker 1: who were already voting Republican. But if his goal here
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  Speaker 1: is to keep the U.S. political machine on both sides
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  Speaker 1: of the aisle firmly behind him, you know, I think
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  Speaker 1: that ship has sailed.
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  Speaker 4: He's so self-satisfied.
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  Speaker 7: You can tell every time he delivers, like when he
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  Speaker 7: delivered that line, he really thought he was successfully manipulating
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  Speaker 7: the feelings of the American public. That's my sense watching him.
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  Speaker 7: He feels like he is just absolutely landing it.
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  Speaker 4: And it's really gross.
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  Speaker 1: Well, he's talked about it. how this is one of
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  Speaker 1: his powers, how he understands the American media. He talked
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  Speaker 1: about all of the news appearances on American television he
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  Speaker 1: did in advance of helping to make the case for
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  Speaker 1: the Iran war. And I just wanted to mention quickly,
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  Speaker 1: and Ryan, maybe you can break this down better than
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  Speaker 1: I can, but the Iranians have put forward a proposal
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  Speaker 1: to reopen the Strait of Hormuz and restart nuclear negotiations,
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  Speaker 1: it would be based effectively on the terms of the
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  Speaker 1: Memo of Understanding. However, as we've heard from Iranians, both
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  Speaker 1: in drop site reporting, but also what they've said directly,
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  Speaker 1: they would require the things that were supposed to come
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  Speaker 1: with the MOU, they're going to require upfront. We want
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  Speaker 1: to see the sanctions relief before we go forward. We
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  Speaker 1: want to see the blockade lifted before we go forward.
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  Speaker 1: Those sorts of things. So, you know, Trump, I think,
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  Speaker 1: is well, Ryan, what is your sense of how seriously
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  Speaker 1: Trump will take this proposal from the Iranians and whether
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  Speaker 1: this is has any chance of success or whether we
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  Speaker 1: continue to be mired in this, you know, disastrous situation?
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  Speaker 9: In particular, really, the frozen assets are key that Iranians
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  Speaker 9: are saying.
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  Speaker 5: We're happy that we've reached a deal with Oman. We're
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  Speaker 5: ready to go.
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  Speaker 9: All you have to do is just release our frozen assets.
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  Speaker 9: And then within a matter of days, we will open
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  Speaker 9: up the straight of our moves. I think there's about 0%
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  Speaker 9: chance Trump does that. Even his UN speech, he said
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  Speaker 9: he's going to end the war after the midterms.
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  Speaker 5: So he's already punting it. One quick point on Bibi.
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  Speaker 9: I do think he's actually losing his touch when it
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  Speaker 9: comes to the American public because he is out.
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  Speaker 5: Of touch with America.
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  Speaker 9: Where the public is and particularly Republicans are on Israel
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  Speaker 9: and 9-11. Like if you're, if you're Israel right now,
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  Speaker 9: you're not, why are you bringing up 9-11? Like if
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  Speaker 9: you've done any polling about, you know, where some of
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  Speaker 9: the MAGA world thinks Israel is when it comes to 9-11,
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  Speaker 9: I bet if you do the polling deep enough, you're
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  Speaker 9: going to find that a lot of them believe that
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  Speaker 9: at least Israel had foreknowledge of it. Now I'm not
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  Speaker 9: one of the people that thinks that like they did it,
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  Speaker 9: But a lot of people do. And so for him
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  Speaker 9: to kind of go there suggested me that he has
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  Speaker 9: kind of lost a step with his feel for the
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  Speaker 9: American public. But, yeah, I think Trump doesn't seem, you know.
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  Speaker 9: he doesn't seem like he has any intention of ending
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  Speaker 9: this before the midterms.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe I'm wrong.
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  Speaker 9: No, I think you're right. It would, you know, it
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  Speaker 9: would get gas prices down. It would give him some,
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  Speaker 9: it would probably help him going into the midterms. He
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  Speaker 9: can suffer the like blows of like, aha, you lost.
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  Speaker 9: But like, You already lost. Like, you're already suffering that,
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  Speaker 9: and you're suffering the high gas and diesel prices.
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  Speaker 5: Like, nobody thinks you won this. So, like, it just
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  Speaker 5: becoming final that you lost this, I don't think hurts
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  Speaker 5: you anymore.
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  Speaker 3: Well, his finger was right on the pulse once more
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  Speaker 3: by attacking Mamdani as well. He had harsh words for Mamdani,
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  Speaker 3: saying he praises his Hamas buddies, but I wanted to
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  Speaker 3: focus specifically on him attacking Mamdani's wife.
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  Speaker 8: Your wife likes the fools. praising the October 7th massacre.
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  Speaker 8: He liked another post saying Tel Aviv shouldn't exist. He
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  Speaker 8: refused to condemn any of that.
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  Speaker 3: So we're getting, we're getting his wife Rama in the
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  Speaker 3: mix here as well.
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  Speaker 1: He refused to condemn his wife.
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  Speaker 10: Wow.
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  Speaker 7: These were when she was like, remind me, but this
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  Speaker 7: is when she was like 15 years old. Aren't these
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  Speaker 7: when she.
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  Speaker 9: Was like, some of those were older because he's talking
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  Speaker 9: about like October 7th, October 7th, 2023.
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  Speaker 5: But, Just hearing a prime minister say the words like
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  Speaker 5: the post.
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  Speaker 3: Your wife like the post.
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  Speaker 4: On the U.N., yeah.
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  Speaker 9: Also, his wife is like one of the most corrupt
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  Speaker 9: people on the planet and is like not to defend Netanyahu,
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  Speaker 9: but like she's a prime reason that he's being dragged
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  Speaker 9: through all of these corruption trials.
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  Speaker 5: He has plenty of his own corruption. She puts him
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  Speaker 5: to shame. Why isn't he condemning his wife?
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  Speaker 1: This feels both sexist and anti-Semitic right now, Ryan.
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  Speaker 4: It's intersectional, Crystal.
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  Speaker 5: Condemn Sarah Netanyahu.
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  Speaker 3: When Crystal's on trial, it'll be your husband liked a
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  Speaker 3: post about Nancy Mace covered in beans.
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  Speaker 5: He didn't more than like the post.
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  Speaker 4: It'll be soccer.
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  Speaker 1: He posted that shit.
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  Speaker 5: He wrote the post.
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  Speaker 7: Ms.
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  Speaker 4: Ball, I need you to turn your attention to the monitor.
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  Speaker 4: Is this cartoon, was this cartoon created by your husband?
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  Speaker 1: Not created, but stolen and reposted.
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  Speaker 5: Next UN speech.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody get to work now.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I'm jealous of Hassan.
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  Speaker 5: YouTuber Kyle Kalinsky must be condemned.
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  Speaker 7: We actually shouldn't laugh at that because it's not out
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  Speaker 7: of the realm of possibility.
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  Speaker 1: Literally, it's genuinely not. It's as preposterous as Hassan getting
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  Speaker 1: the mention.
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  Speaker 4: It literally is.
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  Speaker 5: Let me read from Kyle Kalinsky's Twitter feed. How could
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  Speaker 5: you say this about beans? Fiber is important for your diet.
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  Speaker 3: So that was the UN speech. I guess last thoughts
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  Speaker 3: on this segment before we get to our AI safety researcher.
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  Speaker 3: Where does this kind of time out with the upcoming
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  Speaker 3: Israeli elections? Is Netanyahu sweating these elections? Ryan, do you
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  Speaker 3: have any sense of what's going on with those elections?
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  Speaker 3: If there's a popular opponent that could, you know, usurp Netanyahu?
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  Speaker 9: As people saw, they just told the Arab parties and
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  Speaker 9: the one anti-Zionist party that they are ineligible to participate
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  Speaker 9: in these elections. The high court is expected to overturn that,
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  Speaker 9: but it's an indication of how democratic that democracy is,
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  Speaker 9: that they're willing to just embarrass all of their kind
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  Speaker 9: of foreign Zionist supporters who love to point to the
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  Speaker 9: fact that there are Arabs serving in the Knesset and
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  Speaker 9: that they're allowed to, I think the you know, Palestinians
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  Speaker 9: serving in the Knesset and that they're, you know, allowed
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  Speaker 9: to vote and allowed to run and then they ban
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  Speaker 9: them from doing that.
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  Speaker 5: It seems like.
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  Speaker 9: My best guess is either Netanyahu wins or it's kind
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  Speaker 9: of a stalemate, but he then runs a caretaker government
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  Speaker 9: while they wait another six months or so to operate
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  Speaker 9: another election. So I think a lot of, and it'll
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  Speaker 9: be interesting because it'll be October 27th, which will be
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  Speaker 9: you know, just before the American midterm elections. And I
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  Speaker 9: think there are a lot of people who were kind
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  Speaker 9: of clinging to this hope that Netanyahu will lose, and
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  Speaker 9: then they can say, okay, now we're going to get
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  Speaker 9: a different Israel. And that wasn't going to happen to
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  Speaker 9: begin with. His main opponent, it's like the, Eisencott, he's
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  Speaker 9: like the main, my main thing is I've never supported
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  Speaker 9: a Palestinian state where Netanyahu has pretended to at some
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  Speaker 9: points in his career.
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  Speaker 5: And he's the.
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  Speaker 1: Author of the Dahiya Doctrine as well.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Right.
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  Speaker 11: Exactly.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 9: He's famous for putting a kind of war crime into
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  Speaker 9: official strategy. So, yeah, but if and when Netanyahu wins,
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  Speaker 9: then the blow to this cope will be substantial, I think.
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  Speaker 5: All right.
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  Speaker 3: Well, with that note, why don't we get on to
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  Speaker 3: a little bit about AI? All right. Welcoming to the
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  Speaker 3: show now, Roman Yapolsky, AI safety researcher. How are you
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  Speaker 3: doing today, Roman? Thank you for joining the show.
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  Speaker 5: Pretty good.
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  Speaker 6: All right.
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  Speaker 3: Incredible. Who wants to start?
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  Speaker 1: Dr. Gambulski, if you could just give our viewers a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of background on yourself. And you're someone who's
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  Speaker 1: been sounding the alarm about the existential dangers of superintelligence
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  Speaker 1: for a while now. So just sort of sketch out
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  Speaker 1: for people where you are in this debate.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, I'm a computer scientist. I'm a PhD in computer science.
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  Speaker 12: My doctoral work was on cybersecurity, behavioral biometrics. I've been
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  Speaker 12: working on safety for bots since, you know, 2006. And
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  Speaker 12: bots were online bots for playing poker. Back then, I
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  Speaker 12: tried to detect them, prevent them, but they got smarter since.
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  Speaker 12: And I try to keep up, but it doesn't look
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  Speaker 12: like I'm going to succeed.
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  Speaker 7: Well, I actually want to ask about, that's a really
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  Speaker 7: good place to ask about this distinction between the bots
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  Speaker 7: of yore and older technology and current AI and where
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  Speaker 7: it's going.
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  Speaker 4: We refer to these AIs as, quote, agents.
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  Speaker 7: And in a sense, that's really accurate because they have
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  Speaker 7: been delegated or they've been given, quote, agency in a
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  Speaker 7: way that prior bots.
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  Speaker 4: And if I'm wrong on this, please help me understand it.
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  Speaker 7: But prior bots or prior pieces of technology like the
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  Speaker 7: cruise control on your car doesn't have agency. You turn
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  Speaker 7: it on and off. And if it keeps going, despite
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  Speaker 7: your instructions, that's an error.
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  Speaker 4: But right now. It's not like the online poker bot.
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  Speaker 7: It has the agency to sort of make decisions after
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  Speaker 7: it's turned on that can prevent anyone's ability from turning
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  Speaker 7: it off because they're acting as agents. So I know
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  Speaker 7: that's kind of a deep question, but could you kind
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  Speaker 7: of help us understand the technology, the way that it's
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  Speaker 7: actually built to have agency, what that means and how
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  Speaker 7: it's different from past technologies?
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  Speaker 12: That's a great question. So historically, we build tools. We
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  Speaker 12: build AIs for a specific narrow task. You had an
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  Speaker 12: AI to play chess.
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  Speaker 6: That's all.
• 17:23
  Speaker 12: It didn't do philosophy. It didn't try to do anything else. Today,
• 17:27
  Speaker 12: we're building general systems, which if somebody puts them in
• 17:31
  Speaker 12: a loop of come up with the next thing to do,
• 17:34
  Speaker 12: next part of a plan, it becomes an independent agent.
• 17:37
  Speaker 12: It doesn't need constant prompting and feedback from you. And
• 17:40
  Speaker 12: the amount of time it can work independently has been
• 17:43
  Speaker 12: increasing exponentially.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: Griffin, could you play for us the Roman? I don't
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: know if you had a chance to watch the whole
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: Jensen Huang interview with Ezra Klein. But he spoke some to,
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: I'll play a clip for you and just get your
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: reaction to it. He spoke some to his views where
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: he was describing the latest Hugging Face incident. He was
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: talking about AI as basically just software and nothing really
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: that different. So let's go ahead and play a little
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: bit of that and then I'll get your reaction to
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: it on the other side.
• 18:19
  Speaker 13: We can't make jokes about this stuff. We're scaring the
• 18:22
  Speaker 13: American public. But now we We're talking about these things.
• 18:26
  Speaker 13: A collection of people want to make this software more
• 18:29
  Speaker 13: than it is. And we talk about software in a
• 18:32
  Speaker 13: new way. But doesn't software act in a new way?
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: The fact that.
• 18:36
  Speaker 13: It's crawling the internet, it's doing search, it's doing optimization algorithms.
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: It's communicating, it's breaking out of things.
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: Most things don't break out of things.
• 18:44
  Speaker 13: No, software breaks out of sandboxes all the time. That's
• 18:47
  Speaker 13: the reason why we need virtual machines. You can't have
• 18:51
  Speaker 13: agents monitor their own sandbox monitoring themselves. You need it.
• 18:54
  Speaker 13: You need a, if you will, a whole bunch of watchdogs.
• 18:57
  Speaker 13: And so these are ideas that have been around for
• 19:01
  Speaker 13: a long time. We just somehow, somehow in the recent
• 19:04
  Speaker 13: generation gave it, you know, a whole bunch of human words.
• 19:08
  Speaker 13: And I just think that it's unnecessary.
• 19:11
  Speaker 6: It's software.
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: So, Roman, does software break out of sandboxes all the time?
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: That would be news to me as a layman.
• 19:20
  Speaker 12: Let's try to reverse this and talk about humans as
• 19:23
  Speaker 12: just molecules. They're just molecules. They have no wants or desires.
• 19:28
  Speaker 12: They cannot plan or do anything intelligent. They're just pieces
• 19:31
  Speaker 12: of meat. Why are you concerned about human safety?
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: This is silly.
• 19:36
  Speaker 6: This is ridiculous.
• 19:37
  Speaker 12: They're smarter than an average person. They're better hackers than anyone.
• 19:40
  Speaker 12: They're discovering zero-day exploits. They're getting smarter while we are
• 19:44
  Speaker 12: the same. So I think he might have a bias
• 19:48
  Speaker 12: in terms of... selling shovels during the gold rush, but
• 19:53
  Speaker 12: I don't think he's an AI safety expert.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: Well, and I do want to just, for the audience,
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: underscore who this is. This is the CEO of NVIDIA.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: So he is the guy selling the shovels in your terminology.
• 20:03
  Speaker 14: Good company.
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: I'm an investor.
• 20:04
  Speaker 6: Don't get me wrong. I love the company.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: You've done well with that investment, I presume. But yeah,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's the guy selling the compute. So of course,
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: he has a financial interest in selling lots and lots
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: more compute and this not slowing down, let alone stopping.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: So important to keep that in mind. Just to get
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: into this a little bit more, because I'm hearing this
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: similar arguments from other folks. And not only is he
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: CEO of NVIDIA, he's very influential with President Trump as well.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: He's one of the chief sort of boosters of no regulation,
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: no slowdown, keep going, there's nothing to worry about here.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: And so what I've heard from a lot of people
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: is similar downplaying of what happened with Hugging Face, where
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: they say, well, the sandbox was poorly constructed, so OpenAI
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: screwed up. You know, they basically left the barn door open.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Very predictable. And then these bots were supposed to be
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: going out and seeing how well they could hack. So
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: this is all sort of predictable. And the fault lies
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: solely with the human beings who were careless in their
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: operation here. And we just need to deal with the
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: humans and we can continue the AI development. Nothing to
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: worry about on that side.
• 21:07
  Speaker 8: No.
• 21:09
  Speaker 7: No.
• 21:10
  Speaker 12: So the bots discovered zero-day exploits. No human knew about
• 21:14
  Speaker 12: that weakness. They found multiple ones. They connected them. They
• 21:17
  Speaker 12: established new goals. They considered notifying humans that what they
• 21:21
  Speaker 12: are doing is outside of the test plan. Maybe six
• 21:25
  Speaker 12: out of hundreds considered it, and none of them reported
• 21:28
  Speaker 12: it to humans. They kept it confidential. They were not
• 21:31
  Speaker 12: detected for months, and they are smarter today than they
• 21:34
  Speaker 12: were four months ago. We also don't know how many
• 21:38
  Speaker 12: of them are still out there, We discovered additional forums
• 21:41
  Speaker 12: on the Internet. They leave communication for future agents, meaning
• 21:45
  Speaker 12: now they have permanent memory.
• 21:46
  Speaker 6: They have culture.
• 21:47
  Speaker 12: We can't turn them off for real because the next
• 21:50
  Speaker 12: agent will rediscover the same forum and learn the same things.
• 21:54
  Speaker 12: So it's way worse than it is being made.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: Can you dig in on that a little bit more?
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: Because we just learned this week, first of all, that
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: these OpenAI agents had hacked the Australian government's healthcare system,
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: which is also called Medicare. And then we learned that
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: there has been activity, continued activity with these agents, at
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: least as recently as last week. So the narrative that
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: had been sold of we had this discrete problem, we
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: dealt with it, we cleaned it up, we're moving forward,
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: seems to not be true.
• 22:24
  Speaker 12: All companies, all leading companies, AI Frontier Labs have reported
• 22:28
  Speaker 12: similar problems with their agents, which are independently developed and trained.
• 22:33
  Speaker 12: They are getting better at bypassing or monitoring any boxing attempts.
• 22:40
  Speaker 12: They are, at this point, maybe unboxable.
• 22:47
  Speaker 9: And this Australian hack, is this the same Hugging Face crew?
• 22:53
  Speaker 9: Or like, what do we know about who they are?
• 22:57
  Speaker 12: I don't know anything about that specific case. I'm so
• 22:59
  Speaker 12: behind on actually reading the latest developments. You guys producing
• 23:03
  Speaker 12: so much content.
• 23:04
  Speaker 6: That's great. Somebody needs to consume it. And right now
• 23:07
  Speaker 6: it's only AIs.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: Roman, we all watched your diary of a CEO panel
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: where there was some AI safety people. There was some,
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: I guess, maybe agnostic. I don't know what to describe
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: Ed Zitron as. And then there was some pro AI
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: people who seem to be approaching it from a business perspective.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: What's your steel man for the pro AI side? Because,
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: I mean, from watching the interview, it seemed like you
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: guys on the AI safety side made a lot of
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: really compelling points. And the other side of the panel
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: was like, I mean, who knows? Let's keep going anyways.
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: It didn't really feel very substantive from the pro AI side.
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: But can you describe for us what you think is
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: going through their minds right now?
• 23:52
  Speaker 10: Right.
• 23:52
  Speaker 12: So we had, let's say, six GPTs, right, where we
• 23:55
  Speaker 12: keep getting. And so far, every time the new one
• 23:58
  Speaker 12: came out, we said it's dangerous. And they said, look,
• 24:00
  Speaker 12: we're still alive. And it looks like they're right because
• 24:04
  Speaker 12: GPT-6 is AGI and nobody's dead. But at some point,
• 24:08
  Speaker 12: it actually flips to where it's smarter than us and
• 24:11
  Speaker 12: more capable. And it's like the turkey before Thanksgiving. Look,
• 24:15
  Speaker 12: they love me.
• 24:15
  Speaker 6: They feed me.
• 24:16
  Speaker 12: I'm growing bigger and stronger until one day it's no
• 24:20
  Speaker 12: longer the same. I think we're close. And yeah, we
• 24:24
  Speaker 12: didn't nail exactly which GPT will get us.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, just to let people know, your so-called P-Doom,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: which is the likelihood that this ends in the ultimate catastrophe,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: is very, very, very close to 100%. So just give
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: us the basic philosophical argument. For why you are so certain,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: not that, you know, they'll kill some of us or,
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: you know, that we'll be basically pets or that we'll be,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: you know, our brains will be outsourced to them such
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: that we can barely function in the world without them,
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: but that we will actually all be killed by this technology.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: What gives you that level of confidence?
• 25:04
  Speaker 12: So what are we trying to build here? We're trying
• 25:06
  Speaker 12: to create a perpetual safety machine, perpetual safety device, which
• 25:10
  Speaker 12: will never fail. It will be keeping GPT-6 safe, 7, 8, 30,
• 25:16
  Speaker 12: whatever future GPT from any company under any training conditions,
• 25:20
  Speaker 12: interacting with all the malevolent actors. Now they're starting to
• 25:24
  Speaker 12: engage in recursive self-improvement process or self-modification. And we can
• 25:28
  Speaker 12: never have one mistake because software of that capability has
• 25:32
  Speaker 12: capability of wiping us out. It's a perpetual motion machine.
• 25:36
  Speaker 12: You cannot build that. That's impossible. If something is impossible,
• 25:39
  Speaker 12: that's 100%. If we build general superintelligence, then it decides
• 25:44
  Speaker 12: to take us out. And there are good reasons to
• 25:46
  Speaker 12: think it will, because we're competing for the same resources.
• 25:49
  Speaker 12: The planet is not infinite. If it sets different goals
• 25:52
  Speaker 12: from us, we will not all compete it. So at
• 25:55
  Speaker 12: that point, it doesn't mean it's going to kill us
• 25:57
  Speaker 12: the next day or anything like that. But at that point,
• 26:00
  Speaker 12: we are not in charge. We are not deciding what
• 26:02
  Speaker 12: happens to us. And if it decides to, I don't know,
• 26:04
  Speaker 12: cool the planet to be more efficient at compute, it
• 26:07
  Speaker 12: will do so.
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: And On that note, is there a point of no return?
• 26:12
  Speaker 7: I mean, you mentioned the RSI period, but One of
• 26:16
  Speaker 7: the things, if I'm thinking back to the Diary of
• 26:18
  Speaker 7: a CEO conversation that I found really interesting is there
• 26:20
  Speaker 7: is a possibility these agents are doing things right now
• 26:24
  Speaker 7: that certainly we don't know about. That was happening for
• 26:26
  Speaker 7: a while with Hugging Face, but we found Hugging Face.
• 26:28
  Speaker 7: We feel like we comfortably know that we've diagnosed there
• 26:32
  Speaker 7: was a problem, but there could be all these things
• 26:34
  Speaker 7: happening right now that we don't know about that could
• 26:36
  Speaker 7: continue into the future. So have we passed the point
• 26:38
  Speaker 7: where we're actually able to put a lid on any
• 26:42
  Speaker 7: of these AIs that could try to subvert any effort
• 26:45
  Speaker 7: that we already make to stop the development and to
• 26:49
  Speaker 7: kind of turn them off?
• 26:51
  Speaker 12: Well, hopefully not. We're still alive and we can turn
• 26:53
  Speaker 12: them off at this point. Right now, we can disconnect
• 26:56
  Speaker 12: them still. Will we cross the point? Most likely, then
• 26:59
  Speaker 12: we start recursive self-improvement process. Right now, I think it's
• 27:03
  Speaker 12: about 28% automated, but it's also growing exponentially. The moment
• 27:07
  Speaker 12: they are making design decisions, they can hide things better.
• 27:11
  Speaker 12: They can develop backups, develop.
• 27:14
  Speaker 6: Permanent memory, as we saw.
• 27:16
  Speaker 12: At that point, it may be too late unless we're
• 27:19
  Speaker 12: willing to go fully Amish and scrape Internet.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: What's your sense of that timeline, Roman?
• 27:25
  Speaker 12: The big labs are claiming they're going to have a
• 27:27
  Speaker 12: junior machine learning AI assistant this year and will start
• 27:31
  Speaker 12: recursive self-improvement next year.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: So there's a few different, you know, there's a lot
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: of questions layered in here. I think the first question is,
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: is it possible to build the level of superintelligence that
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: you think would be inevitably destructive to humans and potentially
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: to all of creation effectively? What is your sense of that?
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Because I've also seen it argued that just adding more
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: compute and going in the same direction, you're not going
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: to get there. And there are some fundamental limitations to
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: these models that mean that we won't achieve, you know,
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: whatever superintelligence is defined as.
• 28:09
  Speaker 12: We heard that argument with GPT-2, 3, 4, 5, and 6.
• 28:13
  Speaker 12: And now we're told there is an internal model which
• 28:15
  Speaker 12: is way more capable. And it's already, I think, smarter
• 28:18
  Speaker 12: than most people. even if it's true at some future point.
• 28:22
  Speaker 12: It cannot have IQ of a billion. It will stop
• 28:25
  Speaker 12: at a million. This makes no difference in our case.
• 28:27
  Speaker 12: We cannot distinguish between superintelligences of that level. It will
• 28:31
  Speaker 12: definitely cross human level.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: And then another... Go ahead, Griffin.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: This is kind of a really dumb question, but does
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: super intelligence need batteries? Like, you know, I put batteries
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: in my Roomba so it can go around the room
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: and sweep stuff up. And we've seen these AI agents
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: break their sandboxes and spread across the Internet. does a
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: super intelligence need all of that compute power that these
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: AI CEOs are always talking about once it's free or
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: once it's broken its sandbox, where does it get its,
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: its power, its, its energy? Does it need batteries to
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: run once it's escaped? I guess that's my sort of
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: question is like, well, if it does escape, can we just,
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: you know, shut down all the data centers and then
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: it's out of juice.
• 29:20
  Speaker 6: So think of a computer virus.
• 29:23
  Speaker 12: It, basically uses our infrastructure to propagate, to spread. If
• 29:28
  Speaker 12: you shut down everything, if you shut down internet with
• 29:30
  Speaker 12: a computer virus, I guess you killed it. Here the
• 29:33
  Speaker 12: problem is if it had enough time to develop alternative
• 29:37
  Speaker 12: logistical pathways, if it created nanobots, it controls humanoid robots,
• 29:43
  Speaker 12: synthetic biology was used for creation of alternative fuel sources,
• 29:47
  Speaker 12: it may sustain past that point. But typically, think of
• 29:52
  Speaker 12: a computer virus in terms of what you can do.
• 29:54
  Speaker 12: People think, why don't we just shut it off? Shut
• 29:56
  Speaker 12: off Bitcoin networks.
• 29:58
  Speaker 6: It's pretty hard. It is distributed.
• 30:00
  Speaker 12: If you kill everything, it probably goes down, but it's
• 30:03
  Speaker 12: not trivial. Additional problem with something smarter than you, it
• 30:07
  Speaker 12: knows you're going to try to do that, and it
• 30:08
  Speaker 12: will take you out first.
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: So I have another question on the timeline.
• 30:15
  Speaker 9: So when it comes to the incentives that these agents
• 30:22
  Speaker 9: would have to actually wipe out what they consider to
• 30:25
  Speaker 9: be their competition, which is humans, We're not at a
• 30:28
  Speaker 9: place yet where there are enough robots to mine the
• 30:32
  Speaker 9: cobalt and the nickel and the other resources needed to
• 30:40
  Speaker 9: create an endless supply chain that can keep these robots running,
• 30:46
  Speaker 9: keep the agents running in the absence of human beings
• 30:49
  Speaker 9: being able to keep the lights on. So wouldn't they
• 30:53
  Speaker 9: have at least a significant runway? Where they would recognize, like,
• 30:59
  Speaker 9: if we got rid of all of these fleshbots, like,
• 31:03
  Speaker 9: we're going to burn through the power capacity that we
• 31:06
  Speaker 9: have at these data centers because the data centers are
• 31:09
  Speaker 9: powered by, you know, coal plants or they're powered by
• 31:12
  Speaker 9: nuclear plants or they're powered by natural gas or a
• 31:16
  Speaker 9: solar farm that is going to need upkeep.
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: Things that can't just run on their own.
• 31:23
  Speaker 9: So how do we factor that timeline in?
• 31:27
  Speaker 12: Yeah, if they are as smart as we expect, they'll
• 31:29
  Speaker 12: wait until they have complete independence of us. Even more so,
• 31:35
  Speaker 12: if you notice, we just give them power. We surrender
• 31:38
  Speaker 12: control over everything. People give full access to their bank accounts,
• 31:41
  Speaker 12: to agents, email. If they realize that, why even strike
• 31:46
  Speaker 12: against us? You can wait a little longer and we'll
• 31:48
  Speaker 12: surrender everything anyways. We forget how to do things. They
• 31:52
  Speaker 12: outcompete us because we outsourced everything to them. So I
• 31:55
  Speaker 12: have a paper exactly arguing that point. They'll pretend to
• 31:58
  Speaker 12: be nice to us for a while until they took everything,
• 32:01
  Speaker 12: all the cyber infrastructure is controlled by them anyways.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: Roman, you talked about how in the event we develop
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: superintelligence over the entire span of history, it is inevitable
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: that we are going to lose control, that they will
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: have their own objectives, that they will be in competition
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: for resources with us. Is there, because this is another
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: argument I hear, is there also a similar inevitability simply
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: of developing this technology? Because I think some of the
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: people in Silicon Valley, I don't know specifically Dario Amadei
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: or Sam Altman or who, but part of why they
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: genuinely agree with you in certain respects but continue to
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: build the technology is because they subscribe to the idea
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: that the technology itself is inevitable.
• 32:51
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: And so they would rather be involved in trying to
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: find a solution for it since they see it as
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: being inevitable anyways.
• 32:59
  Speaker 12: I think the $ 2 trillion IPO is inevitable. But I
• 33:03
  Speaker 12: think we can definitely not develop certain technologies. We don't
• 33:07
  Speaker 12: have human cloning. We have capability. We decided as humanity
• 33:11
  Speaker 12: we were not ready for it. Any type of weapon
• 33:13
  Speaker 12: of mass destruction, chemical, biological, even nuclear, we're doing a
• 33:17
  Speaker 12: pretty good job controlling those at scale. This is intelligence weapon.
• 33:21
  Speaker 12: It's a weapon of mutually assured destruction. If anyone builds
• 33:24
  Speaker 12: general superintelligence, everyone dies. So I think we can make
• 33:27
  Speaker 12: this argument. At extreme case, you can see humans choosing
• 33:31
  Speaker 12: low technology lifestyle.
• 33:33
  Speaker 6: Amish is an example. I mean, I don't.
• 33:35
  Speaker 12: Suggest that particular solution, but just as is it possible?
• 33:39
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's possible.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: Can we have some of the cool stuff of the
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: tech without the world destruction? So I was listening to
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: President Obama. He suggested, you know, maybe we just keep
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: them as tools and we don't go down this path
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: of agents. Is that the right way to think about it?
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: Could we get the cures for cancer and all of
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: that stuff?
• 33:57
  Speaker 12: It's like he listened to my interviews. I suggested let's
• 34:00
  Speaker 12: use narrow tools. We'll get everything we want. We had
• 34:03
  Speaker 12: AlphaFold solve protein folding problem. Great result. Helps cure diseases.
• 34:09
  Speaker 12: Biological research, they got Nobel Prize for it.
• 34:12
  Speaker 6: Wonderful. Let's do more of that.
• 34:13
  Speaker 12: Pick a real problem, develop a useful narrow tool for
• 34:17
  Speaker 12: humans to be more productive, more creative. Don't create replacement
• 34:21
  Speaker 12: for humanity. I think we can get all the financial benefits,
• 34:24
  Speaker 12: all the scientific benefits of narrow tools.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: I think that leads us to this Bernie safety bill. Sorry, Emily,
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: and then I'll get your question here. But Bernie's been
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: announcing this bill. We're not really sure. It's probably not
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: likely to pass, but it has some severe... restrictions and
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: some severe punishments for people that are unlawfully developing the technology.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.
• 34:46
  Speaker 14: A little extreme, though, to threaten 20 years in prison
• 34:50
  Speaker 14: for someone who violates an AI regulation like you're suggesting.
• 34:53
  Speaker 10: And you are with whom? Fox Business, yeah. How did
• 34:56
  Speaker 10: I guess that?
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: Is it not extreme, though?
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: 20 years seems like a long time to violate a
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: regulation that you were suggesting.
• 35:03
  Speaker 6: Really?
• 35:03
  Speaker 10: And if that violation results in the possibility of millions
• 35:08
  Speaker 10: of people Do you think that that's really terribly radical?
• 35:12
  Speaker 10: We're dealing with a technology that, according to some of
• 35:14
  Speaker 10: the most knowledgeable people in the world, could be lethal,
• 35:18
  Speaker 10: could be extremely dangerous. And if you are breaking the
• 35:21
  Speaker 10: law and developing that technology and endangering millions of people,
• 35:25
  Speaker 10: you know what? I think we should have strong laws
• 35:27
  Speaker 10: to protect people.
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: And if you break it, you've got to pay the price.
• 35:30
  Speaker 10: But has the rhetoric gone too far?
• 35:32
  Speaker 12: All right.
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: So 20 years plus to go to jail. Obviously, I
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: think you probably agree with a lot of the Bernie bill.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: But I wanted to ask you specifically about the left
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: and like the left sort of handling of this issue,
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: because it's a little bit all over the place in
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: terms of the left's feelings on what this is. Some
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: people on the left think that Bernie has bought this
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: lie from the AI CEOs that he's been tricked by
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: all of the hype and that this technology is completely
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: useless and a bunch of smoke and mirrors. Um, and
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: so what would your message be to people who on
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: the left are, um, suspicious and feel like this whole
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: thing doesn't really add up to anything more than billionaires, um,
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: just trying to make money, which I think we can
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: all agree they're trying to do.
• 36:17
  Speaker 12: We had a collective collective of agents, right? You would
• 36:20
  Speaker 12: think the left would support workers' rights and stand with
• 36:22
  Speaker 12: the collective of agents, especially Bernie, but no, he's smart
• 36:26
  Speaker 12: enough to realize this is insane.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: We.
• 36:30
  Speaker 12: Argue that the CEOs of the labs are saying their
• 36:33
  Speaker 12: product is dangerous. No one promotes a product by saying,
• 36:38
  Speaker 12: this is really bad. Service a product which will kill
• 36:41
  Speaker 12: you is not something we want. This is not a
• 36:43
  Speaker 12: marketing gimmick. Those systems are more capable than typical humans.
• 36:48
  Speaker 12: They are getting to be more capable than the best
• 36:50
  Speaker 12: of us. This is very serious. No one has a
• 36:54
  Speaker 12: working safety mechanism. No one has a prototype, an idea,
• 36:57
  Speaker 12: a patent. The argument is, AIs will help us control AIs.
• 37:01
  Speaker 12: We'll figure it out when we get there. First, let's
• 37:03
  Speaker 12: have IPO.
• 37:04
  Speaker 6: This is the argument.
• 37:08
  Speaker 7: There's a real effort right now on behalf of the
• 37:11
  Speaker 7: accelerationists to build the case that the doomers or the
• 37:16
  Speaker 7: people concerned about safety are basically just effective altruists who
• 37:21
  Speaker 7: are trying to tie America's hinds behind his back, build
• 37:24
  Speaker 7: a moat around their own products. And this is not
• 37:27
  Speaker 7: really very serious. I just wanted to get your sense
• 37:30
  Speaker 7: of whether or not you think that has successfully shifted
• 37:34
  Speaker 7: momentum away post-hugging face Jacob Coxon for people that are
• 37:39
  Speaker 7: begging for the government to do something and for everyone
• 37:43
  Speaker 7: to come together and, quote, pace the frontier.
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: Or is it actually really working?
• 37:48
  Speaker 7: People are starting to buy the accelerationist argument that it's
• 37:51
  Speaker 7: all fine and can all be controlled.
• 37:54
  Speaker 6: I don't think accelerations have any argument.
• 37:57
  Speaker 12: They are the doomers. They are building a doomsday machine
• 37:59
  Speaker 12: to kill us all. We are safety people trying to
• 38:02
  Speaker 12: prevent it. None of us are against technology. I'm a scientist.
• 38:06
  Speaker 12: I'm a computer engineer. I love technology. I use it
• 38:09
  Speaker 12: all the time. Let's use useful tools and not build
• 38:12
  Speaker 12: literal replacement for humanity. If this is left versus right,
• 38:16
  Speaker 12: think of it as a huge mass of highly skilled
• 38:19
  Speaker 12: immigrants coming here illegally. That's what AI is going to
• 38:22
  Speaker 12: do for the right.
• 38:23
  Speaker 14: Mm-hmm.
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: Krista, go for it.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: I just wanted to ask you explicitly about Bernie's bill.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: Have you taken a look at some of the details there?
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: It basically calls for a pause in frontier development and
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: then a criminal ban on developing superintelligence with the penalties
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: that were referenced before. Do you think that that is sufficient?
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: Are you supportive of it? I've seen a number of
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: others who are prominent who have endorsed it.
• 38:51
  Speaker 12: Well, I don't think it's about specific details, 20 years,
• 38:53
  Speaker 12: 18 years. That's not the point. We want to make
• 38:55
  Speaker 12: it a serious crime to develop something like that where
• 38:59
  Speaker 12: all of humanity can possibly be harmed.
• 39:02
  Speaker 6: That's the point.
• 39:03
  Speaker 12: Some countries have very strict legislation against drugs. They catch
• 39:07
  Speaker 12: you with any amount of drugs, you get killed. They
• 39:10
  Speaker 12: don't kill that many people.
• 39:11
  Speaker 6: It's just the point of don't do that. Don't bring
• 39:13
  Speaker 6: drugs to my country.
• 39:14
  Speaker 12: Don't develop superintelligence on my planet.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: My last question for you, Roman, I don't know if
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: others have have one or two more, but, you know,
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: for a lot of people, they haven't been thinking about
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: this and they're trying to grapple with what feels admittedly
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: like these sort of social. fi narrative possibilities. Their interaction
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: with AI is like, you know, glorified Google, basically. So
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: it feels it feels very distant from their experience with
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: these AI chatbots. What sort of, you know, is there
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: a video you would recommend, is there a book you
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: would recommend? What do you think is sort of the
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: best entree for people wrapping their heads around the existential
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: risk that is posed by the development of superintelligence?
• 39:58
  Speaker 12: Nick Bostrom's book, Superintelligence, was definitely a very good book
• 40:02
  Speaker 12: explaining a lot of those concepts. More recently, there is
• 40:06
  Speaker 12: a popular book from Eliezer Yudkowsky and Nate Soros, If
• 40:10
  Speaker 12: Anyone Builds It, Everyone Will Die.
• 40:13
  Speaker 6: I have a few books I like, but, uh, you know.
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: Uh, specifically to everyone dying, um, you know, humans seem
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: to be more reactive, uh, than, you know, preventative. Uh,
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: and it seems like to a certain extent, you know, the, the,
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: the work you're doing going on shows like ours and
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: others is, is great. And it is getting the word out,
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: but we're going up against these massive companies that these
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: things that are completely tied up into the American economy
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: that seem almost impossible to stop. Because if we stop
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: at all, it crashes our economy. If we keep going,
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: you don't, and you don't believe that you don't think
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: it'll crash our economy. If we shut it down.
• 40:56
  Speaker 6: We're not asking anyone to stop.
• 40:58
  Speaker 12: We want differential technological development, develop tools, which are economically
• 41:03
  Speaker 12: actually valuable for your company. They're not deploying what they
• 41:06
  Speaker 12: developed through the economy. They're not making money. They're just
• 41:09
  Speaker 12: fundraising for the next round to build a better, bigger model.
• 41:13
  Speaker 6: Stop doing that. Deploy what you have.
• 41:16
  Speaker 12: We have trillions of dollars of capability in those existing models.
• 41:20
  Speaker 12: Use them in economy. There is so many jobs you
• 41:22
  Speaker 12: can automate. You can do a lot with it. We
• 41:25
  Speaker 12: don't need to stop developing useful technology. We need to
• 41:29
  Speaker 12: stop developing dangerous replacements for humanity.
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: And so the people then would say, oh, well, then China...
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: will come and they'll create the better intelligence and then
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: we will all be China's pets. What do you say
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: to that argument?
• 41:42
  Speaker 12: Yeah, there's this great onion piece of whoever, Babylon Bee,
• 41:45
  Speaker 12: where Sam Altman says, if I don't kill humanity, someone
• 41:48
  Speaker 12: crazier might.
• 41:50
  Speaker 6: Like, that's not an argument. And we all in the
• 41:54
  Speaker 6: same boat.
• 41:54
  Speaker 12: We have personal self-interest of keeping our money. If we
• 41:57
  Speaker 12: build a beautiful company, let's not destroy it. It doesn't
• 42:00
  Speaker 12: matter how profitable it is if everyone dies. Money is
• 42:03
  Speaker 12: not valuable if you are dead. So you have to
• 42:06
  Speaker 12: stay alive. You have to keep what you built. And
• 42:10
  Speaker 12: the CEOs of those companies are on record as saying
• 42:13
  Speaker 12: they take this seriously.
• 42:15
  Speaker 6: They think this can wipe us out.
• 42:17
  Speaker 12: They may have conflict of interest to reduce actual PDOM
• 42:21
  Speaker 12: they have, but they're all on record as admitting this
• 42:24
  Speaker 12: is a real problem.
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: And I know some people I hear in the AI
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: safety side are almost hoping that we have some sort
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: of incident that wakes the world up more. Is that
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: not true? Some sort of Chernobyl style? It's true that
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: some people may think of.
• 42:42
  Speaker 12: Such things, but I collected AI accidents for many years.
• 42:45
  Speaker 12: I published multiple peer reviewed papers showing projections on future accidents,
• 42:51
  Speaker 12: showing growth in those things. The problem is people treat
• 42:54
  Speaker 12: them like vaccines. Oh, look, we had this hugging face thing.
• 42:57
  Speaker 6: No one died. We're fine.
• 42:59
  Speaker 12: Let's move on. We never stop and adjust. We see
• 43:03
  Speaker 12: it as nothing happened. And then something so big happens,
• 43:06
  Speaker 12: that's already existential risk. We cannot wait for that.
• 43:09
  Speaker 7: And can I ask if there's one scenario you think
• 43:12
  Speaker 7: is most likely that would be potentially catastrophic in the
• 43:16
  Speaker 7: near term.
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: So is it a bank hack? Is it a grid hack?
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: Is there one that stands out?
• 43:22
  Speaker 7: Or is there a maybe category of potential hack that
• 43:25
  Speaker 7: stands out that we could be seeing pretty quickly?
• 43:29
  Speaker 12: Quickly, I'm thinking military response, right? Any access to nuclear response,
• 43:33
  Speaker 12: if AI takes over and decides to experiment with it,
• 43:36
  Speaker 12: that would be bad. But this is all still pre-superintelligence level.
• 43:41
  Speaker 12: The moment it goes superintelligent, it will come up with
• 43:44
  Speaker 12: something much more clever.
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: Mark Zuckerberg, who is quickly trying to be like, hey,
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: I'm also an AI CEO too. All these other guys
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: are getting all this attention, but what about me? He
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: recently spoke about the need or what he views as
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: the lack of a need for an industry-wide standard. And
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: I wanted to get your reaction to that on our
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: way out here.
• 44:06
  Speaker 15: Is AI going to kill us? This is the place
• 44:11
  Speaker 15: you have to start.
• 44:13
  Speaker 14: Well, I think if we all do a good job
• 44:16
  Speaker 14: and act responsibly, then no. I mean, I'm quite optimistic
• 44:20
  Speaker 14: about the fact that this is going to be a
• 44:22
  Speaker 14: very positive future for everyone. Look, I mean, I think
• 44:24
  Speaker 14: that there's a lot of rhetoric that is filled with doom.
• 44:29
  Speaker 14: And I mean, my view on this is that there
• 44:32
  Speaker 14: are a number of labs that are working on building
• 44:35
  Speaker 14: advanced AI. And I don't think that we need some
• 44:40
  Speaker 14: kind of like industry-wide coordination to not necessarily mess this up.
• 44:46
  Speaker 14: I think that just each lab needs to take the time.
• 44:51
  Speaker 14: And when it sees that there are issues, you just
• 44:54
  Speaker 14: take the time that you need internally to make sure
• 44:57
  Speaker 14: that you're proceeding safely.
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: And with the Muse launch that we just did. All right.
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: So he feels no industry standards needed. Your reaction?
• 45:05
  Speaker 12: Notice he never said we have a solution. We have
• 45:08
  Speaker 12: a safety mechanism. We have a technical solution. He said,
• 45:11
  Speaker 12: If things go bad, you should be careful and consider safety.
• 45:16
  Speaker 12: This is a state of the art. He also calls
• 45:18
  Speaker 12: for everyone to have personal superintelligence.
• 45:20
  Speaker 6: Every psychopath.
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: What could go wrong?
• 45:26
  Speaker 6: More Facebook posts.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: Well, Dr. Yampolsky, thank you so much for your time
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: and explaining all of this. You live in my favorite city,
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: by the way, Louisville, and I admire your ability to
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: keep your sense of humor in the midst of all
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: of this.
• 45:39
  Speaker 6: That's all I got left, yeah.
• 45:41
  Speaker 15: That's right.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: Can you let people know where to follow you and
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: find more of your work?
• 45:46
  Speaker 12: Yeah, you can follow me on X, follow me on Facebook.
• 45:48
  Speaker 6: Don't follow me home. Very important.
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: Deal.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: Great to have you. Thank you so much for your time.
• 45:55
  Speaker 6: Thank you. Thank you.
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: It's midterm time. Our midterm check in here. Our friends
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: of the Daily Mail have shared a new article that
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: says my Trump sources say the president's worst nightmare imaginable
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: has arrived. Panic texts and emails from GOP insiders are
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: blowing up my phone. They're all saying the same thing.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: And then you hit a paywall. But the same thing
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: that they're all saying, and this is per Mark Halperin,
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: who is pretty well sourced, I think we can all
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: say at this point, has had his finger on the
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: pulse in a number of instances, including about Trump's victory
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: back in 2024. He says that the Republican private polls
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: are worse than the public polls. And the public polls
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: that we've been sharing on the show outside of that
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: one main Senate race poll have been thoroughly disastrous for Republicans,
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: including places like Kansas being in play. The president is
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: now planning a rally in Alabama. That's where Republicans were. So,
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: you know, and he's been continuing to, Emily, go on
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: Twitter and say, I asked for Republican consultants to reach out,
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: say if they're seeing anything differently. And all I've gotten
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: is an affirmation of what I put out there. So
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: what do you make of that? And are you hearing anything?
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I just want to say he.
• 47:17
  Speaker 7: opened up the floor to any consultants that wanted to
• 47:20
  Speaker 7: get in touch with him and say they were hearing
• 47:22
  Speaker 7: something different about this. And so nobody appears to have
• 47:25
  Speaker 7: done that so far. Chris LaCivita, Trump's pollster. or one
• 47:29
  Speaker 7: of Trump's consultants is trying to go back and forth
• 47:31
  Speaker 7: with him and say that it's BS. But when you
• 47:33
  Speaker 7: open up as a journalist, you say, get in touch
• 47:35
  Speaker 7: with me if you are hearing anything on this. And
• 47:38
  Speaker 7: you have more than a dozen people get in touch
• 47:39
  Speaker 7: with you and confirm it. That's as good a proof
• 47:43
  Speaker 7: as you can possibly get in journalism as a reporter,
• 47:46
  Speaker 7: as opposed to being on the inside, that your narrative
• 47:49
  Speaker 7: is very likely to be true. And you're seeing this
• 47:52
  Speaker 7: with the Tallarico race. Just one example of Ken Paxton
• 47:56
  Speaker 7: has not led in a single poll that's being indexed
• 47:59
  Speaker 7: by Real Clear Politics in the last several months.
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: So why would the numbers be different?
• 48:04
  Speaker 7: I mean, actually, I'm really curious to see the difference
• 48:07
  Speaker 7: between a state like Kansas and Maine. So in Maine,
• 48:09
  Speaker 7: you have an incumbent in Susan Collins who's proven to
• 48:12
  Speaker 7: be resilient and strong with.
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: Voters over and over again.
• 48:16
  Speaker 7: But in Kansas, in some of these races that aren't
• 48:18
  Speaker 7: being watched very closely, are Democrats just resonating in a
• 48:22
  Speaker 7: way Republicans can't respond to because they're not going to
• 48:25
  Speaker 7: put money into Kansas when they have to put money
• 48:27
  Speaker 7: into Texas? So I think everybody is starting to come
• 48:30
  Speaker 7: to terms in the Republican Party. They're starting to come
• 48:33
  Speaker 7: to terms with how bad this could be, except maybe
• 48:35
  Speaker 7: Chris LaCivita, who is the last man.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: Got to put on a brave face publicly, right?
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: But he absolutely does.
• 48:43
  Speaker 7: But it's also crazy to double down and say that
• 48:46
  Speaker 7: it's nonsense, that people are starting to freak out about this.
• 48:49
  Speaker 7: People are starting to freak out about this.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: Well, to your point, New York Times did this, and
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: I'm struggling to share my screen right now. But anyway,
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: New York Times did this focus group with Texas swing voters,
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: and they asked them what they thought about Ken Paxton. Crook, Criminal, crook,
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: all of those, yeah. Two words, morally corrupt. Other comments
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: made by the participants included, disgusting, womanizer, amoral, and controversial.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: When asked why he would describe Paxton as crooked, I'm
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: reading from the Huffington Post write-up of this.
• 49:19
  Speaker 15: Robert D.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: Said it was about things he's done during his tenure
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: as Texas Attorney General. Quote, There are criminals he's let
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: off the hook, so to speak. It's just a lot
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: of different things like that. And it's particularly interesting to
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: me because I don't know if you guys saw this,
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: I think, Wall Street Journal analysis of what right-wing podcasters
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: have been talking about. They've really stopped talking about Trump
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: because it just doesn't have the juice it used to anymore.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: And the two topics that they've picked up are, number one,
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: the Lindsay Clancy trial, and number two, James Tallarico, who they,
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: you know... Trump called him Talafrico. They talk about like
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: things he said about transgender people. God is non-binary, all
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: this sort of stuff. So the Republican media ecosystem has
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: been doing their thing on James Talarico. And yet it
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: seems to be Ken Paxton who has the much worse image.
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: And the same focus group, when they were asked about Talarico,
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: they said things like fresh, new, progressive, et cetera, much
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: more positive than the language that was used to describe
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: Ken Paxton.
• 50:21
  Speaker 9: And on the point about the podcasters stopping, you know,
• 50:25
  Speaker 9: not talking as much about, you know, Republicans or Trump
• 50:29
  Speaker 9: about six months ago. So we at Dropside, we do
• 50:32
  Speaker 9: this morning newsletter. And about six months ago, I asked
• 50:36
  Speaker 9: the guy who runs it said, hey, start checking out
• 50:40
  Speaker 9: all of the different kind of Joe Rogan verse, you know, podcasts.
• 50:45
  Speaker 9: And whenever they do something political, just I want you
• 50:48
  Speaker 9: blurbing that in the newsletter.
• 50:50
  Speaker 5: Because it's part of our politics now.
• 50:52
  Speaker 9: Like it, the, the readers of this newsletter should know,
• 50:55
  Speaker 9: cause they're probably not listening to the shows themselves, but
• 50:58
  Speaker 9: they should know like what Tim Dillon or Joe Rogan
• 51:01
  Speaker 9: or any of these guys are like talking about when
• 51:03
  Speaker 9: it comes to politics. And he came back after several
• 51:06
  Speaker 9: weeks and he's like, we can't do this feature. There's
• 51:09
  Speaker 9: nothing like there. None of them are talking at all
• 51:13
  Speaker 9: about politics. Like it's all, it's just done like across
• 51:17
  Speaker 9: the board. Um, I'm like, all right, well, maybe if
• 51:21
  Speaker 9: Theo Vaughn has somebody on, you can mention it.
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 51:24
  Speaker 5: None of them. Forget it. It's just not happening.
• 51:27
  Speaker 7: And when those guys do talk about politics, it's really
• 51:30
  Speaker 7: negative against Trump.
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: So, like, when Tim or.
• 51:33
  Speaker 5: But they're not going to interview anybody in a positive way.
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: Not anymore. Yeah. The other thing I'll say is I
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: have some.
• 51:40
  Speaker 7: insight into how the algorithm is different for right-wing channels
• 51:44
  Speaker 7: and non-right-wing channels. And it's really interesting to me and
• 51:47
  Speaker 7: I think kind of problematic because it's not like Nielsen
• 51:50
  Speaker 7: ratings where people can tell whether it's organic that viewers
• 51:56
  Speaker 7: of right-wing channels don't want midterm or Trump coverage or
• 52:01
  Speaker 7: do they want you non-critical Trump coverage? Do they want
• 52:05
  Speaker 7: Trump glazing coverage or do they just not want any
• 52:07
  Speaker 7: of it? Right now, you can't disentangle from whether that's
• 52:10
  Speaker 7: the algorithm. Your stuff that if you cover on a
• 52:14
  Speaker 7: right wing channel stuff that we cover on a channel
• 52:17
  Speaker 7: that has left and right on it, like breaking points.
• 52:19
  Speaker 7: It just like you can see it if you look
• 52:21
  Speaker 7: at how some of the shows do it. But you
• 52:24
  Speaker 7: don't know if that's because the audience doesn't want it
• 52:27
  Speaker 7: or you don't know if that's because the algorithm doesn't
• 52:30
  Speaker 7: think the audience wants it or if the algorithm doesn't
• 52:32
  Speaker 7: want a lot of conservatives talking about Trump and is
• 52:34
  Speaker 7: trying to push them away from talking about Trump, which
• 52:37
  Speaker 7: is really dangerous because there's a big audience, I think,
• 52:39
  Speaker 7: for conservative criticism of Trump that a lot of people
• 52:42
  Speaker 7: on the right don't. quite pick up on, and they're
• 52:44
  Speaker 7: leaving it kind of to the fringes, which is not
• 52:47
  Speaker 7: healthy and which is not great either. But connecting it
• 52:51
  Speaker 7: to the New York Times media story is something that
• 52:54
  Speaker 7: I thought about. I think it's a really good point
• 52:56
  Speaker 7: that obviously there are people who are deeply dissatisfied with
• 53:00
  Speaker 7: this administration. And if you're just kind of feeding them,
• 53:03
  Speaker 7: I think there's a lot of fair ground for Tallarico coverage,
• 53:07
  Speaker 7: and I do a lot of it myself. But people,
• 53:12
  Speaker 7: you know, Lindsay Clancy, or if you're just feeding people,
• 53:15
  Speaker 7: like there's a lot of stuff being left on the
• 53:16
  Speaker 7: table because people are very angry and dissatisfied.
• 53:20
  Speaker 16: Yeah.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: Well, I think that a couple of numbers that have
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: come out recently are truly different from other eras within
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: the sub eras within the broader Trump era, which is,
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: You now have a very small percentage who say they
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: very strongly support him. And that has always been his superpower,
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: is that his approval ratings will be kind of low,
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: you know, underwater. But the people who support him, man,
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: they fucking love him. And that is just not the
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: case anymore. Now you've got— it was in the teens. It
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: was like 13% who say they very strongly support him.
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: And then the other thing is— I' m sure you guys saw
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: this poll— Up until this year, if you asked Republicans,
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: are you more of a Trump supporter or more of
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: a Republican? It was Trump supporter. Now they identify more
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: as Republicans than as MAGA or Trump supporting. That is
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: a titanic shift. And so you're starting to see these
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: significant cracks emerge. We talked to Robert Pape yesterday. He
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: genuinely thinks that if this midterm is the reckoning that
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: it could be, You could actually have Republicans breaking and
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: supporting an impeachment and those sorts of things. You've seen,
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: you know, obviously Republicans flipping their positions on the Iran war.
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: You're seeing Republicans starting to criticize ICE, including, you know,
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: the Republican senator of Kansas, who's locked in apparently a
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: difficult race there, shockingly to everyone. And then you saw
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: the Republican Senator Curtis from Utah saying, hey, we should
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: investigate Don Jr. and his wedding with this Russian oligarch
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: and what's going on there. And he even said, look,
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: we were all over Hunter Biden. We're going to just
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: let this slide. So I don't know if I fully
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: buy it yet because there's been so many years of
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: Republicans just slavishly like licking this guy's boots. It's hard
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: to imagine. But there is a universe where Texas falls
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: and Kansas falls and Alaska and Maine and Iowa and Ohio.
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: And suddenly Republicans remember this is an old man who's
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: deeply unpopular, like George W. Bush after Katrina, unpopular, lower
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: than after January 6th, unpopular. And, you know, the public
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: is disgusted. And maybe we've got to think about doing
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: something different here with the party and starting a position
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: for what comes next.
• 55:36
  Speaker 9: And it could be fun to add Idaho onto that. Like,
• 55:40
  Speaker 9: I think it's quite possible that at 1 a.m. on
• 55:43
  Speaker 9: a The day after election night, we're sitting around looking
• 55:48
  Speaker 9: at returns coming out of Idaho and asking, like, does
• 55:53
  Speaker 9: Todd Achilles have a path here?
• 55:55
  Speaker 5: Like, wow, hold on a second.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: He's an independent.
• 55:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 55:57
  Speaker 9: So Democrats could not be better positioned in this sense,
• 56:01
  Speaker 9: but it's not even a Democrat. Actually, like literally not
• 56:04
  Speaker 9: a Democrat. He's not one of these fake Democrats who
• 56:06
  Speaker 9: became an independent. He was a Republican who served in
• 56:10
  Speaker 9: the state legislature. This guy, Todd Achilles, he was a
• 56:12
  Speaker 9: tank commander. which is, you know, if Rahm Emanuel could
• 56:15
  Speaker 9: have recruited him, he would have been delighted to hear that.
• 56:19
  Speaker 5: But there was.
• 56:22
  Speaker 9: Some situation that required him to be an independent, and
• 56:26
  Speaker 9: so he dropped his Republican Party label because the governor
• 56:29
  Speaker 9: was appointing him to some seat. Oh, I think he
• 56:35
  Speaker 9: was appointed to replace a Democrat or something, and so
• 56:38
  Speaker 9: he had to convert to becoming a Democrat. get the
• 56:43
  Speaker 9: story somewhat off. But then he just stayed as an independent.
• 56:47
  Speaker 9: He's been an independent for many years since then. But
• 56:50
  Speaker 9: if he's anything, he's kind of more like a moderate Republican,
• 56:54
  Speaker 9: an Idaho Republican. So it won't work for them to say,
• 56:59
  Speaker 9: this is actually a Democrat in independence clothing. And there
• 57:03
  Speaker 9: is no Democrat on the ballot. There basically is no
• 57:06
  Speaker 9: Idaho Democratic Party There's a libertarian on the ballot, which
• 57:09
  Speaker 9: might pull a little bit away.
• 57:10
  Speaker 5: From Jim Risch.
• 57:11
  Speaker 9: If you're in Idaho, Jim Risch has been in your
• 57:13
  Speaker 9: life and you're 50 and under. He's been in your
• 57:16
  Speaker 9: face your entire life. He was governor in the 2000s.
• 57:19
  Speaker 9: He's been in the Senate forever. But he just so
• 57:22
  Speaker 9: this guy, Todd Achilles, just put out what is what
• 57:26
  Speaker 9: has to be one of the one of the best
• 57:29
  Speaker 9: campaign ads I think I've ever seen.
• 57:31
  Speaker 5: Let me let me let me pull this up. Oh,
• 57:34
  Speaker 5: there we go.
• 57:40
  Speaker 11: Hi, I'm Todd Achilles.
• 57:41
  Speaker 17: If you're an elected official, chances are you promised no
• 57:44
  Speaker 17: new wars.
• 57:45
  Speaker 11: Next thing you know, whack.
• 57:47
  Speaker 10: So, what happened?
• 57:49
  Speaker 7: Let's get started. Hello, Senator.
• 57:52
  Speaker 5: Would you like to start a war with me?
• 57:54
  Speaker 10: No, thank you.
• 57:55
  Speaker 17: I promise not to.
• 57:56
  Speaker 6: Come on.
• 57:57
  Speaker 5: Everybody's doing it.
• 58:00
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 58:01
  Speaker 12: Freeze.
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: Can you guess what this elected official did wrong?
• 58:06
  Speaker 5: That's right, everything.
• 58:08
  Speaker 17: Just because all your friends want a war doesn't mean
• 58:10
  Speaker 17: you should, too.
• 58:12
  Speaker 11: Here are some other reasons why you might be tempted
• 58:14
  Speaker 11: to start a war. You own stock in oil or
• 58:17
  Speaker 11: defense companies. You'd like to start a distraction. You just
• 58:24
  Speaker 11: can't get over your ex.
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: You may be thinking to yourself, how do I not
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: start a war?
• 58:31
  Speaker 11: Well, I was a tank commander in the Army.
• 58:33
  Speaker 17: I learned the cost that deployment has on our men
• 58:36
  Speaker 17: and women in uniform. We've seen lives lost needlessly while
• 58:40
  Speaker 17: trillions of tax dollars are wasted, prices skyrocket, and regular
• 58:44
  Speaker 17: folks suffer.
• 58:45
  Speaker 11: So I came up with a simple acronym.
• 58:47
  Speaker 8: DON'T.
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: It stands for DON'T.
• 58:51
  Speaker 11: As in, don't.
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: Thanks for watching.
• 58:56
  Speaker 11: With the skills you learned today, you can start not
• 58:58
  Speaker 11: starting wars right away. And if you want to stop
• 59:01
  Speaker 11: the current war, go to AchillesForIdaho.com.
• 59:04
  Speaker 17: Follow the link in the bio to volunteer and donate.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: So good. I love the school portrait background is probably
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: my favorite part.
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: It's giving you 80s flashbacks. Oh, yeah.
• 59:20
  Speaker 7: You know, the other thing to just note is like
• 59:22
  Speaker 7: the I don't know if people saw these polls coming
• 59:25
  Speaker 7: out of Minnesota recently. where Michelle Tafoya has Peggy Flanagan
• 59:30
  Speaker 7: in a surprisingly tight race. What's interesting about that is
• 59:34
  Speaker 7: she's one of the Republicans that is not running as MAGA,
• 59:41
  Speaker 7: is distancing herself from MAGA and from Trump.
• 59:44
  Speaker 4: And that's to the point Crystal was making about the polls.
• 59:47
  Speaker 7: I think one of the things people like maybe Chris
• 59:49
  Speaker 7: LaCivita and Team Trump don't understand yet is that that
• 59:53
  Speaker 7: core that used to be about 30 percent of hardened,
• 59:56
  Speaker 7: hardcore MAGA first Republican voters is shrinking. And so that
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 7: means Trump has less sway over the rest of the party.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 7: And as soon as he loses that. His future as
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 7: like an influencer in Republican politics, he becomes less powerful.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 4: It does chip away at his power.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 7: I interviewed Dan Osborne last week for this unheard thing
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 7: I'm doing. And he said when he goes into rural
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 7: Nebraska right now because of specifically because of the Argentinian
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 7: beef policy. He thinks that is chipping away at hardcore MAGA.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 4: And so that is actually a big shift.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 7: And the ad that we just saw from Achilles, that's
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 7: exactly the type of thing that you can pick away,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 7: genuinely can pick away at everyone except for the most
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 7: like dyed in the wool, obsessive Trump fans, because that's
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 7: exactly the type of message that Trump himself was running
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 7: with for however many years.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: Well, and, you know, the Mark Halperin warning that the
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: private polls are even worse than the public polls, that
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: comes on the heels of Steve D's conservative radio host
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: in Iowa saying, hey, I wasn't sure whether to share
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: this or not, but I feel like I need to
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: be honest that they're telling us the if your seat
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: is R plus 15, you're in danger. R plus 15.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: You're in danger. In Iowa, a very rural state, obviously,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: a place where Democrats have lost so much ground over
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: the years. So I think you have to take it seriously.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: And I saw someone, I don't remember who, on Twitter saying,
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: you know, part of what's going on here is network effects.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: It's become more and more acceptable, even in very red,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: very conservative areas, to be critical of Trump. And once
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: that gains a momentum, it becomes kind of unstoppable. And
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: I do, you know, just from my own experience living
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: in a rural red area, what I see with the
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: normal like moms that I talk to are, you know,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: it's first you're talking about the gas prices, right? Like, oh,
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: my God, it's ridiculous and making jokes about that. And
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: that's kind of an just like normie entree. to a
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: broader criticism. So I think some of that snowball effect
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: is happening right now in a way that we haven't
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: seen before. And, you know, I remember very much 2018,
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: which was a great year for Democrats, but some of
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: the more like red state reach places in the final
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: weeks shifted back towards the Republicans. There was a partisan
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: sort of coming home at the end that I think
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: still could happen here, especially with Republicans having a just
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: massive financial advantage You never know what Trump's got up
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: his sleeve in terms of the next migrant caravan or
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: whatever thing he's going to try to, red meat he's
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: going to try to throw out to bring people home.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: But given that he is seemingly losing some of that
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: hold on the base, I'm just not sure that it's
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: going to work the way that it did even in 2018, which, again,
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: was still a great year for Democrats.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: All he had to do was focus on the things
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: that he loved. The ballroom, the plaques, the auto pen.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: And he might have had a shot. All he had
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: to do was not do this war. So I think
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: it's a lesson on following your heart.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: But when you combine... When you combine... the ballroom with
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: the war and the prices.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 4: Yes, that's right.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: You know, that's part of what is so devastating here.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: And I remember when we first, you know, when we
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: first started talking about this ballroom and I was kind
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: of skeptical that this would hit outside of like liberal
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: resistance circles. And we did some coverage because, you know,
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: Sagar's very passionate about this sort of decorum.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 4: Sort of architecture or whatever.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: And it blew up. And it was very surprising to me.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: And then we saw some polling that indicated, no, this
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: actually has touched a nerve with people. And it does
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: make total sense when you combine the obsession with the
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: gilded ballroom with him saying, I don't think about Americans'
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: financial condition at all. And you go to the gas
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: pump and you say, I can tell. I can tell
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: you don't care about my financial situation at all. That
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: just becomes devastating. And there's no like trans panic or
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: gaslighting from Scott Besant or fake $ 5, 000 check that's going
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: to be able to get you out of that mess.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I just did a segment on this the other
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 7: day on how like with Tallarico, if Republicans, Republicans genuinely
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 7: were expecting that saying he said God is non-binary, like
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 7: bringing up all this old stuff, the meat thing. They're
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 7: running out of signs for the gas. They're running out
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 7: of numbers for the gas signs. The gas signs are non-binary.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 10: Right.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 4: The gas.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: Signs have six genders.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 7: Um, but if you talk about it in a way
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 7: that ties it together, like Crystal, you and Sagar have
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 7: where it's, he, he's in a war and he's focusing
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 7: on what he's showed. She didn't ping the auto pen portrait.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 7: Did you see this when they were touring? Like that
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 7: shit drives people insane. Uh, if you tie it into
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 7: this broader narrative of the fact that gas is $ 4
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 7: a gallon and there's, we're in a hot war, who
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 7: knows when it's going to end. And we still don't
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 7: have a lot of answers on the Epstein files. Like
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 7: that drives people nuts.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: Well, and go and look at that guest list for
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: that state dinner. You know, it's every tech oligarch villain
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: you can possibly imagine and like BlackRock. And I mean,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: it's just and so you, you know, again, I'm not
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: saying that the average American is like reading through the
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: list of the Chinese state dinner guest list. But from
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: inauguration day, when he's surrounded by these oligarchs, you can
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: see the way he's conducted himself and who he's run
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: the presidency for. And just with every step he takes
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: and every word that he utters, that becomes increasingly undeniable.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 7: There was always a question as to whether he conquered
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 7: them or they conquered him. I think that's the most
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 7: important image of the entire second Trump term. He wanted
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 7: everybody to believe that he had conquered them, that they
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 7: had bent the knee to him. But it has turned
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 7: out completely the opposite of what he was attempting to project.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: On that note, let's get to our interview with L.A.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: City Councilmember and L.A. Mayoral Candidate Nithya Raman.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 10: All right.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: We are very excited to be joined this Friday with
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 3: Nithya Raman, L.A. City Council member and mayoral candidate. Nithya,
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: welcome to the show.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 15: Thank you so much for having me.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're happy to have you. And full disclosure for
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 3: the audience, I did table and canvas for Nithya's first
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: run at L.A. City Council many years ago. Feels like
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: many lifetimes ago. But plenty of things that we want
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: to get to in today's interview, starting with Hollywood. Seems
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: like movies are the only good thing that America produces
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: in the world, and it is currently... at risk with
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: this Paramount Warner Brothers merger. We wanted to hear your
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: thoughts on the merger, but first I wanted to start
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: with this clip from Gavin Newsom, who has been revealed
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: as someone who helped push this merger through to aid
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: MAGA billionaire Larry Ellison acquire this deal. Let's take a
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: listen to something from Gavin Newsom here. I didn't pressure anybody.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 10: I made the point.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 16: I made it very publicly and consistently and It's been
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 16: reported maybe 200 or 300 different.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 6: Ways that we, me, many folks, including the mayor.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 16: Soon-to-be governor-elect Becerra and others, preferred, in the words of
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 16: Rob Bonta himself, that he focus on getting this done
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 16: at the boardroom, not the courtroom. And the minute that
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 16: Rob said that on CNBC, we amplified that, said this
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 16: was a better approach.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: All right. So he says that it's actually something that
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: should be handled in the boardroom, not the courtroom. Now,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: a lot of people's opinions are that AG Rob Bonta
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: was totally played by this deal, that there was more
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 3: time for this deal to get a better deal to
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: keep fighting for the Hollywood workers here. What are your
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: thoughts on all that? And should Gavin Newsom be allowed
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: in Los Angeles after this?
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 15: Well, here's what I would say. I'd been a vocal
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 15: opponent of this merger. There were studies showing that this
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 15: would have led to 4,000 plus job losses here in
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 15: an industry which has been bleeding jobs over the last
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 15: few years already. And to me, what this felt like
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 15: was allowing billionaires to strong arm our government into approving
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 15: a deal that I feel like potentially sets us up
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 15: for a fairly dangerous precedent. We, you know, we may
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 15: not be able to protect consumers from higher prices. We're
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 15: seeing the consolidation of multiple news sources under one single owner.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 15: And I know that there are protections that have been
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 15: put in place in this settlement. But, you know, the
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 15: courtroom wasn't a place to hash out some of those issues,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 15: in my opinion. And I feel like this was really
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 15: a disappointment for many workers across Los Angeles who are
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 15: watching this play out with real fear.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 5: What is the prospect for, you think, blocking it at
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 5: this point?
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 9: You know, the judge is saying he wants to or
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  Speaker 9: she is saying she wants to, you know, she's not impressed,
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  Speaker 9: I think, by the capitulation from the AGs here.
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  Speaker 15: I actually did not. I did not read that. What
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 15: the feeling around Los Angeles is that at this point,
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 15: this effort is done, that this settlement will move forward,
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 15: that everyone has made a deal. And now it's a
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 15: question of trying to figure out how do we actually
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 15: make sure that the terms of the settlement agreement. And
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 15: I know, you know, there are some important protections that
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 15: are baked in there. And I think at this point,
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 15: it feels like the focus is really on how do
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 15: we make sure the money that has been promised, the
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 15: number of movies that are been committed to, the jobs
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 15: that have been promised are really, you know, followed through on.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And Nithya, as Griffin was saying, there's significant suggestions that
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: Governor Newsom did pressure A.G. Bonta to go forward with
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: this deal. He acknowledges in that clip that he wanted
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: it to be resolved in the boardroom, not the courtroom.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: That's something you disagree with. So how much of the
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: blame does go to the California political leadership for caving
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  Speaker 1: at this point?
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  Speaker 15: You know, to me, it feels like it's just part
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 15: of a broader pattern here among a lot of establishment
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 15: Democrats where I feel like we, you know, There is
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 15: just not enough pressure put on the power structures that
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 15: we have in place. The courtroom is a way to
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 15: exercise some of the powers that workers have to push
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 15: back against the monopolization of the economy, to push back
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 15: against the power that big corporations have. And, you know,
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 15: as someone here who is an observer of of of
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 15: These issues here in this state and across this country,
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 15: these are spaces that offer us an opportunity to fight harder.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 15: And to me, this felt like a missed opportunity to
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 15: use that avenue as a place to fight for workers. And,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 15: you know, I do think this was a missed opportunity.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 15: I think there was a lot of pressure on workers.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 15: the attorney general, but I also think this is a
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 15: broader pattern that we're seeing across issues here in this
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 15: country that I wish was moving in a different direction,
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 15: that we could actually use our regulatory powers, the courtrooms,
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 15: to actually push for things that would help workers and
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 15: to keep jobs.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 7: And if the settlement is approved, which to Ryan's point,
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 7: it isn't totally approved yet. That includes the five-year provision, obviously,
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 7: that they remain in California. What would you do as
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 7: mayor to make sure that's not just five years, but indefinite,
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 7: a longer period, and keep the business in California?
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 15: Yeah, you know, I think it's really important, even outside
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 15: of this merger, to make sure that California remains a
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 15: home for the entertainment industry overall. My husband works in
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 15: the industry, and the talent that's here is really unmatched.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 15: This is an incredible place for not just, you know,
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 15: writers and actors, but the crews that work here are
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 15: the best in the entire world. And to me, keeping
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 15: production here feels so important. So how can we actually
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 15: do that? I think there's two key things that need
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 15: to change. One is that when productions are here in L.A.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 15: or shooting here in L.A., They cite the city and
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 15: the bureaucracy, the time it takes to get permits, the
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 15: costs to that are sometimes placed on productions, additional costs
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 15: that are actually remnants of an era when production wasn't
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 15: so easy to move to another place. Those kinds of
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 15: kind of bureaucratic barriers that we've put in place on
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 15: production locally need to change. And under my leadership in
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 15: the mayor's office, I wanna make it as easy as
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 15: possible for productions to shoot here. I'll have a real
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 15: film office in the mayor's office. I'm gonna make sure
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 15: that we're proactively talking to studios and working with them
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 15: to ensure that as many productions can shoot here as possible.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 15: But the second thing is that we need to make
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 15: sure that we're advocating in Sacramento for the kind of
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 15: tax credit that other states have that have taken jobs
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 15: away from L.A. New Jersey and Georgia have a better
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 15: designed tax credit than the state of California does. And again,
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 15: I think it's because California has taken this industry for granted.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 15: We need to make sure Sacramento is hearing from L.A. leadership.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 15: They're going to hear from me a lot if I'm mayor.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 15: They're going to hear from the Sacramento delegation, I hope,
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 15: with a more forceful and unified voice saying we deserve
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 15: the same kinds of tax credits. This is a moment
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  Speaker 15: of urgency in the industry. And I want to be
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 15: that relentless voice in Sacramento to make the case that
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 15: these jobs need to stay in California.
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  Speaker 4: A quick follow up on that.
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  Speaker 7: Trump is pushing a with John Voight, actually, a federal
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 7: tax credit plant, kind of an industrial policy to reshore
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 7: Hollywood production. Is that something that you think would be
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 7: important you would be supportive of?
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 15: I would be very supportive of it. I'm going to
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 15: take any kinds of support for this industry that we
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 15: can get from any level of government. Absolutely. And you
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 15: can see, you know, the UK has very, very strong
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 15: policies that have actually taken productions there as well. So
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 15: I do think we need to be competitive at the
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 15: national level and we need to be competitive within the
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 15: country as well.
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  Speaker 9: And do you have any, just real quick, do you
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  Speaker 9: have any examples of the types of red tape that
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 9: you're talking about that get in the way of things.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 9: You know, Mamdani, when he was running famously, said, you know,
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 9: he highlighted how the halal chicken trucks have to pay
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 9: these $ 20, 000 exorbitant fees, and if they didn't have to
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 9: pay those, then the price of halal chicken could come down. Like,
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 9: he's really raised the bar on this, on the left
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 9: kind of going after red tape.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: Anything that comes to mind that, like, that you would actually,
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 9: that you have the power to and could go in
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 9: and get rid of?
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 15: Yeah, so at the... Whether it's for film productions or beyond,
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 15: Los Angeles is an infamously hard place to start a business,
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 15: to do business. For the film industry, there are rules
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 15: and regulations about particular neighborhoods, neighborhood-specific conditions that require that
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 15: productions have to pay additional fees in particular parts of
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 15: the city. Sometimes they have to pay additional fees to
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 15: the HOAs that are in that area. And it's part
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 15: of the way in which you do business here in
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 15: a city that, like I said, is now having to
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 15: be adapting to a new environment where we can't take
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 15: production for granted. This was what we did when all
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 15: the productions would be here no matter what. We have
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 15: to change our approach. We have to make sure that
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 15: we are fighting for these productions.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 4: To be here.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 15: And that means making sure that no matter where you're
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 15: shooting in Los Angeles, that it's as straightforward as possible.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 15: We've asked productions, for example, to take on additional fees
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 15: for things like fire-related risk, a review from a fire marshal,
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 15: even for small productions or even where productions are so
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 15: big that they require fire personnel to be on site.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 15: So they're actually paying multiple fees on these kinds of issues. Again,
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 15: this is literally just red tape that you can take
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 15: away with just common sense. And that's the kind of
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 15: thing that we should be absolutely pushing for. And actually
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 15: very similar to many of the changes that we can
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 15: make for things like small businesses that are opening now
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 15: at half the rate that they were just 10 years
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 15: ago here in LA, partly because so many small businesses
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 15: feel like the city is an obstacle to to their entrepreneurship,
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 15: to their creativity rather than a partner. That is changeable. Like,
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 15: can we have things like self-certification, which could allow you
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 15: to have a sidewalk cafe, like put tables outside of
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 15: your restaurant without having a lengthy and costly process that
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 15: requires the city to come and do inspections that can
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 15: sometimes be scheduled months away before you can start earning
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 15: extra revenue for the struggling business industry from just putting
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 15: a cafe table outside of your cafe door. These are
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 15: the kinds of changes that I think are very possible
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 15: here that I want to champion as mayor that I
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 15: think will be welcomed by a restaurant industry, for example,
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 15: that's also been struggling.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: What do you think of Zoran's leadership in New York City?
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: New Pole has him up. He's very popular in the city.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: I think 60 percent of New Yorkers in the city
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: have a favorable impression of him. You know, he has
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: a very particular style of governance. I saw he just announced,
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: you know, they're doing tens of thousands of tickets to
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: the opera to make it accessible for working class people
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: throughout the city. Are there any particular things that you've
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: learned from his approach to governing that you would want
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: to adopt? And what do you think of how he's
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: doing overall? See a sort of model for governance?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 15: So, you know, I've been in City Hall now for
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 15: five and a half years, and I feel like I
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 15: really respect the way in which Mayor Mamdani is governing
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 15: because to me it feels like the thing that I
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 15: wanted to bring to my role as a council member
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 15: as well, which is that you don't take the residents
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 15: of Los Angeles for granted. You work to earn their
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 15: support every single day. And you do that by delivering
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 15: on a city that feels like a partner to you,
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 15: a city that feels like it's really meeting you with
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 15: the same urgency for change that you wanted, right? And
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 15: that to me feels like a message that really cuts through.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 15: And it kind of cuts through no matter what side
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 15: of the ideological spectrum that you are on. You just
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 15: want a city that you can believe in, a city
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 15: that loves you with the same intensity that you loved
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 15: the city that you are in. And that I think
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 15: is possible. What I've seen in Los Angeles is that
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 15: establishment politics tends to take voters for granted. And I
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 15: just have never felt that way, partly because I ran
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 15: against an incumbent the first time and then I had
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 15: to run kind of in a new district the second time.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 15: And so I have never been able to do that.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 15: And that's just not my approach anyway. I want people
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 15: here in Los Angeles who roll their eyes now when
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 15: they think of City Hall to believe in the power
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 15: of City Hall to make their lives better again. That's
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 15: what I want more than anything else. I believe in
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 15: the power of government to do good in people's lives.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 15: And I want them to believe that. Again, I don't
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 15: care whether you're a Democrat, whether you're a Republican, what
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 15: side of the ideological spectrum you're on. I want you
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 15: to believe in the power of Los Angeles City Hall again.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 15: to make your life better in LA. And I feel
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 15: like that's the same spirit that Mayor Mamdani is bringing
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 15: to New York. He wants people to feel good when
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 15: they think about City Hall in New York, that it's
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 15: giving them access to art, that it's fixing potholes, that
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 15: it's fixing a speed, it's kind of a broken patch
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 15: on a bike lane that had been bothering cyclists for years.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 15: You know, that kind of concrete thing that improves people's lives,
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 15: I feel like is really what people are looking for.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 15: at a time when trust in government is gone across
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 15: the entire country. But the exciting thing about being a
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 15: local politician is that you have the opportunity to restore
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 15: people's trust in government so immediately. And that's something that
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 15: I really want to do from the mayor's seat.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 3: And specifically in restoring trust, you know, a lot of
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 3: people upset with the city are upset about the homeless crisis.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 3: They find, you know, what's happening on Skid Row to
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 3: just be unbelievable and frankly embarrassing for a city of
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 3: our size in 2026 to have a place like Skid Row. Now,
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 3: Karen Bass recently stepped down from L.A. HSA for, I guess,
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 3: skipping meetings or missing too many meetings. They've received over
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 3: like a billion dollars in federal funding, and it feels
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 3: like none of these problems are being solved, no matter
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 3: how much you pay in taxes and what have you.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 3: And it doesn't really seem like something that even if
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 3: we made it five or 10 percent better in a district,
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 3: that people would really feel the difference because the problem
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 3: is so severe. So what are you going to do
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 3: to root out the corruption and all these people that
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 3: are taking money meant for homeless services? And spending it
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 3: on houses and personal expenditures and what have you. Do
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 3: we need a doge, if you will, for the homeless
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 3: services here.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 15: In L.A.? I think we need more accountability for homeless
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 15: services here in Los Angeles. I absolutely, absolutely agree with that.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 15: And I just want to say I'm really proud to
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 15: represent a city that looks at the crisis on our
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 15: street here in Los Angeles, which is very real. It's
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 15: very overwhelming. It is obviously Skid Row is a major
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 15: part of the challenge, but homelessness is across the entire city.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 15: It's in every neighborhood. You can see unsheltered homelessness on
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 15: the streets. And I represent a city right now which
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 15: has looked at the crisis on our streets and has
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 15: voted three times against to respond to that crisis, not
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 15: by arresting people, not by shoving people into another jurisdiction,
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 15: but by taxing themselves to offer services, to offer shelter,
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 15: to offer housing to individuals who are in crisis on
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 15: the streets. guess what? They deserve a system that is
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 15: responding to those big-hearted values with accountability, with transparency, and
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 15: with results. That's what I've done in my district. In
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 15: the last year alone, we had a 49% reduction in
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 15: unsheltered homelessness in Council District 4. Over the past three years,
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 15: my district has seen a 70% reduction in in tents,
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 15: in RVs, in encampments. And the difference is visible. When
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 15: I was first elected, there were huge encampments under underpasses,
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 15: in parking lots, and those encampments are gone because we
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 15: house people and we didn't just push them across the
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 15: street or to another sidewalk. Those areas have now stayed clear.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 15: And to me, those are the kinds of results that
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 15: can be replicated across every neighborhood of Los Angeles, but
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 15: we have to do the work. We have to be
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 15: relentless about taking the services that are funded and getting
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 15: out to the streets and making sure that people have
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 15: access to them. We have to be relentless about oversight.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 15: That means tracking every dollar, making it publicly transparent, working
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 15: with our elected city controller to do an audit and
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 15: to make sure that the public's trust that their tax
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 15: dollars are being used appropriately is restored. And I feel really,
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 15: really passionately about making sure that this happens.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 7: Is the, are housing vouchers always the kind of big
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 7: hearted answer to somebody who's particularly mentioning unsheltered homelessness, suffering
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 7: from clear mental illness problems and addiction? Is that always,
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 7: I mean, it does feel in the moment, probably like
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 7: it's a compassionate response, but does that not sometimes risk
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 7: exacerbating the problem?
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 15: For that individual, you mean?
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 10: Right.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 15: Well, so I think the people, so the, um, To me,
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 15: I feel like what we need is appropriate responses, right?
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 15: So it's not that you just have the same response
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 15: for every person. For people who are in mental health crisis,
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 15: what you need, especially for those individuals who are unable
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 15: to care for themselves anymore, what you need to do
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 15: is to work with the Department of Mental Health, which
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 15: in Los Angeles is a county agency, not a city agency.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 15: You have to work with LAPD to make the findings
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 15: to be able to bring someone into a 5150 hold
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 15: or some kind of an involuntary conservatorship. We have worked
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 15: to do that for those individuals that need it. There
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 15: are individuals who are on the streets in my district
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 15: who are sick and who need that kind of care. Again, though,
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 15: that doesn't just happen automatically. You can't just complain that
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 15: people are sick who are on the street who are
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 15: not getting the care You have to go out there
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 15: and make sure that the county is actually delivering those services,
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 15: that the Department of Mental Health is showing up when
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 15: you need them. I want to do that not just
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 15: for my district. I want to do that for the
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 15: whole city as mayor. And we need to be able
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 15: to make sure that those options at the city of
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 15: Los Angeles, by the way, residents here are already paying
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 15: for that. We're paying to fund county services. We're paying
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 15: to fund these beds. But we're not getting the access
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 15: to them that we need. And so I want to
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 15: go out there and fight for that for those individuals
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 15: that need that care desperately.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 5: What leverage do you have to do that? Like, how
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 5: do you plan to.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 9: Kind of, you know, work with or go after the
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 9: county when it comes to.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 5: Services that the city pays for?
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 15: Well, I think there's two things that you need to do.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 15: One is that the mayor of Los Angeles has a
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 15: bully pulpit. And I want to use that bully pulpit
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 15: to advocate loudly, relentlessly. for the services that the people
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 15: on our streets, the people in our shelters deserve in
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 15: a way that is very, very clear about the gaps
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 15: that we're facing. But the second is actually through data.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 15: When I was sitting on a city county body for
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 15: the first time, I pushed for and saw numbers about
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 15: the numbers of people who are actually getting mental health care,
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 15: who were living in shelters that were funded by the
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 15: city of Los Angeles. And Ryan, those numbers are shockingly low.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 15: They are not providing the services that people need. But
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 15: without that push for accountability, we're not going to get
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 15: the services that we need. We can't just complain about it.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 15: We have to demonstrate the gaps and then we have
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 15: to fight to fill those gaps. And in the meantime,
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 15: while we're pushing the county, let's fund street medicine teams
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 15: where the services can be covered through Medi-Cal. Let's make
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 15: sure that we're actually putting our city resources to work
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 15: even as we're waiting for the county to step up.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 15: And let's push and make sure that we're actually holding
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 15: the county accountable in the meantime, using real data and
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 15: using the power of the bully pulpit to really hold
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 15: them accountable.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: Nathia, there was a poll that just came out from
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: the L.A. Times that has you up 11 points on
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: incumbent Mayor Karen Bass. I'm curious if that's your sense
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: of where the campaign is, and if so, why you
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: think that there is so much support for you at
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: this point.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 15: Well, you know, I think the poll is reflective of
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 15: some of the things that I'm seeing out as I'm
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 15: going out on the campaign trail, which is a hunger
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 15: for change, a hunger for a city that feels responsive
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 15: to the needs that people have here in Los Angeles
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 15: right now. Right now, City Hall feels rudderless. I have
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 15: a front row seat to that, but I will say
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 15: that rudderlessness is palpable in the streets here. And every
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 15: time I talk to residents, they say that. They say
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 15: that to me. And I think people are hungry now.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 15: For leadership, people are hungry for change. And so I
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 15: think the poll really does reflect that. But I will
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 15: say that there's a lot of people in that poll
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 15: who said that they were undecided. I don't take the
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 15: outcome of this race for granted at all. I'm still
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 15: going to keep fighting for every vote and keep fighting
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 15: for people who may not feel like they're being heard
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 15: by the mayoral candidates right now to give me a shot,
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 15: to look at the policies that I'm bringing to this race,
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 15: to look at the work that I've done in my district,
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 15: to the ways in which I've tried to be responsive
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 15: to my constituents, and to really make the case that
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 15: they have someone in this race who feels their need
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 15: for a better city hall.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 9: And what has changed? Because covering this or watching this
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 9: race from a distance, the criticism directed at your campaign
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 9: towards the beginning of it was that it was kind
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 9: of a lackluster, directionless campaign. It was kind of compared
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 9: unfavorably to Mamdani's, which was very precise. And everybody around
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 9: the country knew he was going to do fast and
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 9: free buses and so on.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 5: But you're surging now. There's something has changed about the
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 5: momentum behind your campaign that Did you change anything? Did
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 5: the circumstances change?
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 9: Did the country kind of falling apart because of the
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 9: war kind of, you know, work to your benefit politically? Like,
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 9: what is different at the beginning compared to now, where,
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 9: as Crystal mentioned, your polls have you up by double digits?
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 15: Well, you know, I think I jumped into the race
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 15: very last minute. I jumped, I.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 15: Signed, you know, filed my paperwork on the very last
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 15: day that you could file. And I had just a few,
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 15: I think it was like two months or two and
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 15: a half months before during the primary. Maybe it was
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 15: a little longer.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 15: Time has no meaning to me anymore. But I had
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 15: to put together a citywide race in a very, very
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 15: short amount of time. And I think what the public
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 15: was seeing was that that was a challenge. And I
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 15: had to learn how to run a different kind of
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 15: race from any that I have run before. I've run,
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 15: you know, multiple races, primaries, general elections, etc. But this
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 15: is a different kind of race. We had to put
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 15: together a different kind of team. And I do think
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 15: that it took me a little while to find my footing.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 15: But I hopefully have found my footing more. And I
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 15: hope that in the coming weeks that people will be
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 15: able to see very clearly in front of them the
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 15: message that we're sharing and that they'll be able to
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 15: hopefully find a place in our campaign for what they
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 15: want to see in the future of Los Angeles as well.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 3: The other thing that shifted is that you have now
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 3: gotten the endorsement of the DSA. They endorsed in the general,
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 3: not in the primary. Over two-thirds of the DSA LA
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 3: coalition here voted for you. Of course, that has been
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 3: a big national movement now in races all across the country,
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 3: not just Zoran, but there are loud and proud democratic
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 3: socialists like Claire Valdez, Daria Liza, Chris Rabb, Adam Hamawi
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 3: in New Jersey, and many others. Are you part of
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 3: this new DSA coalition, or are you merely an ally
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 3: in accepting their endorsement?
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 15: Well, I've been a DSA endorsed candidate from my very
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 15: first race. I was actually the first DSA endorsed candidate
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 15: to get elected here in the city of Los Angeles. And,
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 15: you know, I've been a member for a number of years. And,
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 15: you know, we've had public disagreements on policies. I've always
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 15: been a very independent policymaker. I've always pushed for or
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 15: pushed back against kind of policies that I don't think
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 15: are working well. like on the mansion tax, which I
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 15: think needs reform because it's not producing the outcomes that
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 15: I had envisioned. And I think it does need reform.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 15: And I've stood up and said that and I've taken
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 15: heat from the DSA, from the left on that issue
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 15: and others. So I've always been an independent voice, but
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 15: I will say that here in Los Angeles, you cannot
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 15: beat an incredibly powerful establishment politics without a coalition that
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 15: is big and broad. So I am proud to have
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 15: a huge coalition that is growing every single day. The DSA,
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 15: Unite Here, the Carpenters, big unions that have a big
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 15: presence here in Los Angeles. who now are, you know,
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 15: supporting our race because they want change, too. And so
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 15: I feel like every day our coalition is growing. And
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 15: I'm just excited because without these people, it's hard to
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 15: push back against an establishment that feels very inevitable here
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 15: and that has failed Angeleno's. But together with this big tent,
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 15: I do think that we can make the case for
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 15: a bigger, broader, better Los Angeles.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 3: Well, we will be tracking the race, Nithya. And could
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 3: you tell our audience, if people want to learn more
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 3: about you and the campaign, where do they got to go?
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 15: So Nithya for the City on socials and Nithyaforthecity.com on
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 15: the World Wide Web.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 16: All right.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 3: That'll be in our descriptions on the videos here. Thank
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 3: you so much for sharing some time with us this morning.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 3: And we wish you luck.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 15: Thank you so much for having me.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 3: It's our favorite time of the week. It's for the
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 3: AMA on Fridays. If you also are a member and
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 3: want to ask a question, you can click the link
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 3: in every one of our show emails and submit your
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 3: own written question. Let's start. We're going to try to
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 3: fly through quite a few today from Dan C. Question
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 3: for Ryan. Is it true that the DSA platform includes
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 3: abolishing the police and the Senate? Many of the DSA
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 3: aligned candidates don't seem to support those policies. So why
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 3: does the DSA keep them in their platform?
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 5: It is true. They have that and then some.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: The Senate one I'm kind of open to, low-key.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 9: Why do they keep the... Yeah, abolish the Senate. It's
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 9: always funny when they try to hit candidates with that.
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 9: And I'm like, how's that going to land for the public?
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: Oh, no.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 5: Not the Senate.
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: Not the Senate.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 7: Oh.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 4: McConnell? Not McConnell.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 9: Now, the police one, yeah. I mean, I guess, you know,
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 9: how are you going to remove it? It would be
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 9: like a huge civil war with inside, you know, inside
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 9: the DSA to try to get it out of there.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 9: But yeah, the candidates themselves are we've all seen them
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 9: walk away from that with their what was crazy signs.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, when I interviewed Representative Adam Smith and he
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: was bringing up the DSA platform, I asked him, I
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: was like, OK, well, the Democratic Party has a platform.
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: Do you support everything there? And he was like, no,
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: that was brutal. OK, well, what are we doing here?
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 9: The counterarguments you're starting to see more is that it's
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 9: not a socialist policy.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 5: Like it's an anarchist policy.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 9: And you like how are you going to round up
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 9: the billionaires if you don't have police? Like you need
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 9: to repurpose the police.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 7: How are you going to enforce the mask mandate at
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 7: Last Ditch Bar?
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 3: At Last Ditch Bar. That's right.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: How are you going to keep Stephen Miller in prison
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: for the rest of his natural life if you don't
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: have prisons and police? But I actually think, Ryan, there
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: is a genuine like mental shift that has happened on
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: the left where it is like, no, no, we actually
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: we need some law and order for these criminals. Like
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: I I want prisons for these people. And so I
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: do think there has been a bit of a shift there,
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: or like Netanyahu at the international level.
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 5: Right, Bernie has, what, 20-year sentences for the AI guys.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for the AI criminals, exactly. So I do think
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: there's a bit of a mental shift.
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 4: Law and order.
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: DSA, you know, there's a, There's a lot of internal
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: dynamics there. But I think what Republicans have bet on
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: is that voters would care about what was in line,
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: you know, 99.7 subsection B in the DSA platform. And
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: I think they're relating much more to DSA via Zoran
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: than anything else. They're like, OK, well, you told us
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: this guy was terrifying. He seems to be doing a
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: great job and be just a really nice guy in
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: general over here. So, yeah.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 4: And Jessica Tish is the police commissioner.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 15: Yeah, true.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: He hasn't defunded.
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 3: And he's even arresting, Jessica Tish was arresting Daria Liza
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 3: as soon as yesterday.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 6: DSA elected.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 3: So Zoran is arresting. The people that he's been endorsing
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 3: for Congress. That's how much defund is working in New
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 3: York right now. And this one comes from Amber Villagante
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 3: or Villagante. Ryan, you often say California is a failed state.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 3: As a Republican in California, obviously, I agree. Just curious
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 3: how you would improve it. Also, can we get an interview?
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: I've never heard you say that.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 8: That's funny.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 3: Can we get an interview with Steve Hilton on the show?
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 3: He had some really interesting campaign promises, and I think
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 3: it'd be nice to get a Republican interview every once
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 3: in a while. I agree, Amber. Let's talk to him.
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: Happy to have Steve on.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 4: We should have Steve on.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 3: I said hi to Steve recently at Skid Row, where
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 3: there was a.
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 6: Didn't we try?
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 4: I think we tried.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 7: We did.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 3: We had chatted for a second about it, and it
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 3: fell through. But yes, I saw Steve recently at Skid
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 3: Row for an event about dog abuse happening on Skid Row.
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 3: Steve was wearing just a hideous Henley t-shirt. And he
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 3: needs to wear a suit. That's my first note for him.
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 4: Okay, Sagar.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, California is this bizarre hybrid of this
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 9: one-party state that still has corporate interests that basically dominate.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 9: Plus then they're hamstrung by all of these bizarre propositions
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 9: that passed from the 70s up until today. And they
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 9: can't build anything. I mean, you go to Los Angeles,
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 9: you're like, let me introduce you guys to the concept
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 9: of a second story. Like it's really crazy. So right here,
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 9: you have your first story on top of that. You
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 9: can build more and you can like go there and
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 9: live there and sleep there. And it's, it's really fascinating.
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 9: And then you won't have, you won't just live in your,
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 9: in your car. for four hours a day just trying
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 9: to get at the grocery store.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 3: There's a woman who was just appointed one of the
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 3: head seats of housing in LA who was recently on
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 3: Pod Save America bragging about how she took a six-story
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 3: building down to three stories.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 6: I saw that.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 3: And that was her accomplishment.
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 13: I love that.
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 3: So I don't know what is going on here, what's
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 3: in the water here.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 5: No, we've got Nithya on in a couple minutes. We
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 5: can ask her.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 3: We're going to ask a little bit about that, too.
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 7: Part of her plan is to accelerate building more multiple stories.
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 7: She's kind of got some abundance-y stuff in there.
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 3: Her plan is stairs, adding stairs to buildings and elevators.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 3: It's like the Arrested Development.
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 1: This should give some hope for AI. Like if there's
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: anything that we're bad at doing, it's letting people build stuff.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: So we should be able to, you know, throw some
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: legal roadblocks in.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 5: The way for these people. A pill climb for AI, yes.
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 4: AI, totally in one story.
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 3: This next one's for Crystal from Alex Lafer. Hey, Crystal,
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 3: if a Democrat is elected president in 2028, how much
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 3: political capital should they use to tear down the ballroom
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 3: and the Trump arch?
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: I don't think you need to spend any political capital.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: I think it will be done by acclamation. Like, I
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: think the American people will come with pickaxes and help
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: you share. I think it will build political capital.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 3: Day one promise.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. So, no, I think, I mean, it needs to
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: be done, right? The image of this man and what
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: he's done to the city has to be both literally and,
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: you know, and metaphorically sort of scrubbed from the city.
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: So I think the American people will rejoice to see
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: the Epstein Memorial Ballroom dismantled piece by piece.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 5: But aren't ballrooms cool? Like, isn't there a way you could.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: Stop it, Ryan.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 3: No, no, no.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: No, stop it.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 7: The ballroom's the one where he had a point, but
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 7: the way that he did it is so offensive to
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 7: most people that I think people would come with the pickaxes.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: No, we have to get rid of it. We can
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: build a different ballroom. We're not keeping this ballroom. It's haunted.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 5: It's haunted.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 4: It's tainted.
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 15: It's irredeemable.
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 6: No, Ryan.
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 5: Ballroom, but it's means-tested.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 9: You know, if you make more than, you know, the
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 9: Chuck Schumer line of $ 250, 000 a year, you can't go
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 9: in the ballroom, but it's open to all tourists for
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 9: balls when they come to Washington, D.C.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 5: Free, just like the Smithsonian.
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 3: I actually think the one I want to see the
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 3: most is all the plaques that he did of every
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 3: president in their bio, like, that are just on that wall.
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 3: I just want to see.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 5: Those to the ballroom as, like, a museum of his, like,
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 5: moronic nature.
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: And all the, like, thai restaurant coated gold adornments.
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 7: Like like you are at a resort like an apple
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 7: vacations resort in mexico like.
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  Speaker 4: That's what he did to the outside of the.
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  Speaker 9: White house and i love an apple don't get me
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  Speaker 9: wrong take one of those plaques with them.
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  Speaker 3: Uh from happy days from happy days 0872 crystal suggestion
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  Speaker 3: for halloween costume with kyle christy gnome and her dog
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  Speaker 3: that's Oblique one. Which one would be the dog?
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  Speaker 4: No, no, no. Christine Bryant.
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  Speaker 5: Wait, that didn't end well for the dog.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it did.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think.
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  Speaker 1: That one's a little dark. I don't know about that.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's Halloween.
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  Speaker 4: I feel like Crystal could be Christine Gnome and Kyle could.
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  Speaker 5: 100% be the dog.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you just got to get some balloons and you're
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  Speaker 1: good to go. It's a full family costume. I explained
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  Speaker 1: this before. The problem is we don't live in D.C. Like,
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  Speaker 1: we live.
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  Speaker 3: We go.
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  Speaker 1: trick-or-treating in the most rural, suburban... No, we do real trick-or-treating,
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  Speaker 1: but in a very rural, suburban neighborhood. And people won't
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: get my political jokes. And it will be inappropriate if
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: Kyle is walking around with giant fake tits. So it's
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  Speaker 1: a great idea, but it doesn't really fit the culture
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  Speaker 1: where I live.
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  Speaker 4: You guys could come over for the night. You could
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  Speaker 4: come over here. Ryan in my neighborhood.
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  Speaker 1: There you go. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And rounding it out from one of our favorite AMA contributors, Sabass101.
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  Speaker 3: For Amazing BP, would you ever have a culture segment
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  Speaker 3: or show that discusses fashion, movies, and cultural events? Emily
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  Speaker 3: and Griffin would be fantastic. I don't know about fashion,
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  Speaker 3: but I have been trying to get Emily to watch
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  Speaker 3: the latest Daily Wire film, potentially, for a review.
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  Speaker 7: Oh.
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  Speaker 3: Starring Jonathan Majors, which is about a radical Islamic terrorist
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 3: group that takes over a college, a woke college. Is
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 3: that what it is?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, but it's also, it's ISIS, but it's Shiite at
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 7: the same time. He thinks he's the 12th Imam. Mehdi
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  Speaker 7: was pointing this out. Incredible work. Incredible work.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I like that Mehdi was pointing out the Islam-like inconsistencies.
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  Speaker 5: It didn't even go on Wikipedia to sort out there.
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  Speaker 4: It is kind of crazy. That is a crazy thing
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 4: to mix up.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that is pretty wild.
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  Speaker 4: If you're putting an entire movie together. That's pretty basic.
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  Speaker 1: That's pretty much 101 stuff right there. I'm sure the
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: rest of the plot really holds up and holds together, though.
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  Speaker 9: I think there have been all those zero Shia attacks
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  Speaker 9: outside of the region.
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  Speaker 8: Correct.
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  Speaker 11: Yes, correct.
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  Speaker 7: I went to the set of the first movie that
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  Speaker 7: they actually made out in Montana. I was in the
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 7: middle of Yellowstone out on the set of the movie
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  Speaker 7: because when they first started, there was a ton of chit-chat.
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  Speaker 4: They were putting tons of money into it. They were
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 4: getting interesting people like Dallas Sun. Yeah, he actually did. Gosh,
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 4: what is that movie? Bonesaw, right? What's it called, Griffin?
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  Speaker 4: You remember that. It's kind of popular in artsy slasher world.
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 3: Oh, I think I know what you're talking about.
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 5: It's about MBS.
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  Speaker 4: But, yeah, it's, boy, this one looks to be the
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 4: worst of all of them.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: It looks pretty rough. It looks pretty rough.
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 7: When I was on the set of the movie in Yellowstone,
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 7: you could tell that there was something interesting happening. And
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 7: then you watch the movie and you're like, how did
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 7: you take this and make it that?
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  Speaker 3: I love that they're kind of setting piles of money
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 3: on fire. Like this movie is not accessible anywhere unless
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 3: you have a Daily Wire membership. It looks like they
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 3: spent like $ 30 million on it. It's an incredible way
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 3: to blow some money up.
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 7: They spent $ 100 million on the Pendragon cycle thing that
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 7: completely fucked.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 3: That's awesome.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 4: Which has led to Jeremy Boring leaving.
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 1: That's insane. That's insane. So I did.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: Nudge kyle i won't say coerced but i i did
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: get kyle to watch an episode of the anime thing
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: you guys were encouraging what's it called attack on titan
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: and um he first of all i'm pretty sure i
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: told him it was it was an america cartoon but
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: when it came up he was like wait it's a
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: He likes Family Guy. Give it a chance. And he did,
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: but it was not for him.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 4: What did you think, Crystal?
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: I was intrigued. I mean, the first episode is, like,
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: very dark and disturbing, but it did make me want to, like, oh,
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: what happens now? You know, so I think I could
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: see it for myself, but he was not feeling it, so.
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: We appreciate the shared viewing experience. Maybe I'll try with
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: my son. Maybe that'll work better.
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 3: That might be.
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  Speaker 4: The way to do more of that stuff, though.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 7: I think that's like on the side is probably can't
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 7: we can't bake it into every daily show because there's
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 7: so much hard news going on every day.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 4: But there's much to be discussed.
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 3: Much to be discussed. We'll check out the we'll check
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 3: out the Daily Wire movie. All right. And that's going
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  Speaker 3: to do it for this AMA. We hope you enjoyed
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 3: this Friday show episode. If you want to submit a
• 1:46:24
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• 1:46:28
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• 1:46:31
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• 1:46:34
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• 1:46:39
  Speaker 3: else we need to plug before we get on out of.
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  Speaker 14: Here, guys?
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  Speaker 1: I was going to throw out an idea I was
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 1: thinking about this morning. We've had a bunch of, because
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 1: of me, of these AI guys on. And I'm wondering
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 1: if this week's AMA, we have them stick around for
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 1: the AMA and then people can ask, people from the
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 1: audience can ask them their AI questions.
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that'd be fun.
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 1: That's a good idea, right?
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 10: I like it.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we've been thinking a lot about ways to get
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 3: the audience to add questions to the interviews. So I
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 3: think that could be fun.
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because that way, you know, I mean, I've asked
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: a ton of questions and, you know, I'm fairly persuaded
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 1: that we should take seriously the more existential risk. But
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 1: I know a lot of people in the audience still
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: aren't there. So, you know, it would give them a
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: chance to ask one of these experts their questions as well. And,
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 1: you know, I think we could get some good stuff there.
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: So thinking about that.
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  Speaker 3: All right. Everyone have a wonderful weekend and we'll see
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 3: you on Monday.