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What Do the Internet Israel Critics Hope to Accomplish? · The M&M Experience

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  Speaker 2: mess thing. Hey, well then let people hear something, Let
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  Speaker 2: people hear something. Let's do two minutes on this because
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  Speaker 2: you had something to hear about it and something say
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  Speaker 2: about it. I just had Dan Patrick on it.
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  Speaker 1: It did you? It's funny. I was with local because
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  Speaker 1: Dan Patrick's the chair. And how big a national story,
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  Speaker 1: how big a footprint was it that this odd woman,
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  Speaker 1: this Carrie Prejean Bowler got bounced from the Religious Liberty Commission.
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  Speaker 1: Did that show up on your radar at all?
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  Speaker 2: Not much? I thought I read about it. I heard
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  Speaker 2: about it. I don't think it became a big national story.
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  Speaker 1: Correct. It's funny because they're big bns, big national stories,
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  Speaker 1: and there are those that sort of just have their
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  Speaker 1: simmering life. I want your take on it, because what
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  Speaker 1: wound up happening. She's on the Religious Liberty Commission for
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  Speaker 1: a very good reason. Back in two thousand and nine
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  Speaker 1: might remember this. You might have talked about it. She
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  Speaker 1: I think she was Miss California and they asked her
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  Speaker 1: about marriage and she said that marriage is man and
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  Speaker 1: a woman and she caught instant. You know what, stood
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  Speaker 1: up to it was courageous and correct. Back in two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and nine, Well, something has happened to her since
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  Speaker 1: because she carried onto the Religious Liberty Commission a Candice Owens,
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  Speaker 1: Nick Fuentes, semi Tucker Carlson style weird anti semitism, and
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  Speaker 1: they bounced her, not for any view she holds, but
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  Speaker 1: for badgering people and just being performative and weird. And so,
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  Speaker 1: Lieutenant Governor Patrick and I just talked about this, and
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  Speaker 1: you and I have talked about it. The degree to
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  Speaker 1: which this little nugget of poison, it may not be
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  Speaker 1: that little a nugget. What in the world is it?
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  Speaker 1: I think you have said. I hear your voice in
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  Speaker 1: my head saying we need to understand it. We need
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  Speaker 1: to you, like I don't know if put words in
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  Speaker 1: your mouth, reach out and converse with it. I believe
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  Speaker 1: it should be squashed like a bug. I believe that
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  Speaker 1: it should be called out and demonized as the poison
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  Speaker 1: that it is. Are you feeling me?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I get your sentiment, and I just don't think
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  Speaker 2: that it's possible to squash it like a bug. But
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  Speaker 2: I will tell you this. You know, I was initially
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  Speaker 2: sort of open to hearing voices say, look, everything Israel
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  Speaker 2: is doing isn't perfect, and I don't agree with everything
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  Speaker 2: that Israel is doing. Sure, and there was a pushback,
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  Speaker 2: But I'm starting to get now why there was the
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  Speaker 2: initial pushback. The pushback came from people who were worried that,
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  Speaker 2: in fact, what could happen is indeed happening. In other words,
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  Speaker 2: the people and I have to be let me be
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  Speaker 2: really blunt here with you, Mark, and very frank with
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  Speaker 2: the audience. There is an ugliness. There is a darkness
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  Speaker 2: to this whole Israel topic and the way people are
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  Speaker 2: reacting to our alliance with Israel. And it's led by Candace,
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  Speaker 2: it's probably echoed by Tucker, although not I don't know
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  Speaker 2: quite as prominently as Candace Owens has become because Candace
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  Speaker 2: has just gone completely it feels anti Israel under the
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  Speaker 2: guise of the Tucker style of I'm just asking questions
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  Speaker 2: and you know how that game is played, and you've
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  Speaker 2: You've called Tucker out on it for years, and it's
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  Speaker 2: gotten worse and worse and worse. And when you look
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  Speaker 2: at Candace and her platform, she's the last few months,
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  Speaker 2: she's been at an all time high. And not only
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  Speaker 2: in terms of clicks and engagements and views, and not
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  Speaker 2: only is it about Israel, but it's about Charlie Kirk
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  Speaker 2: and Erica and turning point USA. And there is a
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  Speaker 2: darkness to this, There is a I mean, look, it
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  Speaker 2: has to be said that Candace and her her supporters
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  Speaker 2: are now suggesting that Erica is a deviant, is a
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  Speaker 2: awful person, was involved in her husband's own murder, just awful,
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  Speaker 2: sordid things, and it's it's so bad, and and I
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  Speaker 2: keep thinking about Charlie being killed just really matter months ago,
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  Speaker 2: and to turn that into a blood sport for clicks
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  Speaker 2: and engagements is really really diabolical. But I think that's
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  Speaker 2: the explanation in terms of all of it. And back
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  Speaker 2: to the Israel issue. I think people like this young
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  Speaker 2: woman who got bounced from this Religious Liberty Commission rightfully
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  Speaker 2: so have embraced this whole narrative that we're gonna question Israel,
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  Speaker 2: We're not gonna be Zionists. We're not going to be
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  Speaker 2: all in for Israel because there's an appetite for it.
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  Speaker 2: Young people in particular are tired of America's alliance with Israel,
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  Speaker 2: and it breaks my heart because they don't know. They're misinformed,
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  Speaker 2: they're misguided, They're terribly They need to be enlightened about
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  Speaker 2: why Israel matters and why good and evil are in
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  Speaker 2: this continual battle in that troubled part of the world.
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  Speaker 2: But I think they recognize there's monetization to be made.
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  Speaker 2: There's a and that's the whole game. As you and
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  Speaker 2: I are saying, as you and I are preparing for
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  Speaker 2: live radio show. So you and I not diabolical all
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  Speaker 2: at all. But look, this is this is capitalism we want,
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  Speaker 2: we wanted to succeed. People like Candace are apparently reportedly
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  Speaker 2: making now over one hundred thousand dollars a week because
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  Speaker 2: of the clicks and views and engagements that she's receiving. Mark,
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  Speaker 2: that's why she's doing it.
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  Speaker 1: It is why she's doing it. It's not thoughtful enough
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  Speaker 1: to be it's funny with her. I don't know. I
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  Speaker 1: think she actually is a Jew hater for a lot
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  Speaker 1: of these wayward conservative now. Honestly, if you show me
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  Speaker 1: Columbia University and a whole seething crowd of people, you know,
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  Speaker 1: chanting river to the sea, that is real anti semitism.
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  Speaker 1: It is real coming from the left.
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  Speaker 2: On the right.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's a weird affectation. It's just as ugly
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  Speaker 1: and you can't excuse it and go, oh, they're just
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  Speaker 1: being you know, playful, or being weird, or being unhinged.
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  Speaker 2: I think that.
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  Speaker 1: They're just looking, especially today's unmoored, rudderless, directionless, historically ignorant
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  Speaker 1: young people, especially young men, are just looking for something
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  Speaker 1: to attach themselves to in this recent wave of follow us, well,
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  Speaker 1: we'll carry things in a new, refreshing direction. And it's
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  Speaker 1: not about Reagan anymore. He's a crusty, old dead guy
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  Speaker 1: and it's not even about it's not even it's not
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  Speaker 1: even about Trump, who who supports Israel and echoes the
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  Speaker 1: Reagan legacy. We've got to carve our own path with
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  Speaker 1: new leaders like Tucker and Candice and Nick Fuentz. And
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  Speaker 1: that is catnip. Even if it's one or two percent
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  Speaker 1: of every Republican young person, that's still thousands, thousands of people.
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  Speaker 2: But let me give you another thing to consider for
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  Speaker 2: just a moment. I think you sell young people short.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot of young people who I think are
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  Speaker 2: sophisticated enough and they're they're plugged in enough to be
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  Speaker 2: able to say, Look, criticizing Israel doesn't make me an
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  Speaker 2: anti semi correct. And I do believe there's a legitimate
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  Speaker 2: complaint that there are people who accuse anybody who questions
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  Speaker 2: Israel of being anti Semitic. And I think young people
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  Speaker 2: bristle at that. A lot of people who are in
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  Speaker 2: this space now and they're relatively new to it and
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  Speaker 2: they're learning this time. It's a lot of bright young
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  Speaker 2: people who are plugged in now to the body politic
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  Speaker 2: in a way they never have been before. And don't
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  Speaker 2: sell them short, because I will observe and I will
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  Speaker 2: admit as a staunch support of Israel. Look. I wear
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  Speaker 2: a flagpan every day with an American flag next to
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  Speaker 2: an Israeli flag on my sport code. I've been to
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  Speaker 2: Israel over a dozen times. I support Israel, I, stand
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  Speaker 2: with israel. I love Benjamin nettan Yahoo and his fierce
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  Speaker 2: and his strength and his leadership and my heart. I've
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  Speaker 2: interviewed survivors of Hamas. I know what they're up against.
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  Speaker 2: But it is fair to say that there are people
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  Speaker 2: who instinctively wag their finger at anybody who criticizes Israel,
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  Speaker 2: claims that they're being anti Semitic, and that's what But
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  Speaker 2: but see then, Candice and Tucker and others. I think
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  Speaker 2: if tapped into that, they've tapped into that resentment of
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  Speaker 2: being called an anti Semite simply for criticized at Israel.
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  Speaker 2: And now they're running into territory that is pretty dark,
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  Speaker 2: you know.
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  Speaker 1: And you're you're right, You're totally right in describing what happened.
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  Speaker 1: There are some people who are too quick to attach
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  Speaker 1: the anti Semitism label. But then the real anti Semites
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  Speaker 1: wrap themselves in the honor of the falsely exist.
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  Speaker 2: They say, oh, they're coming after this is what this is?
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  Speaker 1: This stupid carry Prajan Bowler is doing.
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  Speaker 2: Oh they're coming. You know what she did? Listen.
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  Speaker 1: Every once in a while, you ever see somebody post
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  Speaker 1: something he says, Look, I'm not depressed. I get along
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  Speaker 1: fire with my family, anti depresident if I want Thomas
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  Speaker 1: Thomas Massey did that exactly as if people care enough
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  Speaker 1: about Thomas Massey and if we don't, we really don't
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  Speaker 1: care about carry Prajean Bowler. What an act of ultimate narcissism,
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  Speaker 1: that is, she's not smart enough to be interest.
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  Speaker 2: Did you see what Thomas Massey and Rocanna did. They
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  Speaker 2: finally said, well, we're gonna read names. Great, we're gonna
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  Speaker 2: we're gonna expose men on the Epstein file. And they
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  Speaker 2: read six names. Four of the six names were men
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  Speaker 2: that were simply called to be in an FBI lineup.
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  Speaker 2: They had absolutely no guilt. They one of the guys
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  Speaker 2: got fired from his job after he was revealed to
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  Speaker 2: be on this by them, and then Massy, oh, well,
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  Speaker 2: we're sorry, we were given wrong information. You just tried
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  Speaker 2: to destroy lives. This is what Trump's been worried about
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  Speaker 2: with this Epstein mess all along. Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: It's almost like some people said, releasing everything in a
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  Speaker 1: big dump might be problematic. Yeah, just like some people
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  Speaker 1: said that nobody comes to mind immediately.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, forty five, forty seven comes to mind.
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  Speaker 2: But left what it's all out there now? And now
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  Speaker 2: this read Hoffman character, he's up to his eyeballs in
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  Speaker 2: Epstein relationships. Obama's chief counsels. She had to resign from
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  Speaker 2: Goldman Sachs the other day because she's up to her eyeballs.
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  Speaker 1: I got one locally, Don Haffines, wonderful conservative running for comptroller,
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  Speaker 1: the big real estate guy. He got a ranch, bought
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  Speaker 2: Well that's the problem. That's why I've tried to avoid
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  Speaker 2: the Epstein thing like the plague, because it just is
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  Speaker 2: a black hole. They won't let go. But look, all
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