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Vikings NFL Draft Reactions, Optimism for the 2025 season, Iowa Beer | TSH Ep. 88 · The Skol Hop

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  Speaker 1: All right, Hey, Vikings fans, welcome in to another episode
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  Speaker 1: of The School Hot. I'm Evan, I'm Austin. We're just
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  Speaker 1: a couple of dudes from Iowa. We like drinking beer
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  Speaker 1: talking about the Vikings.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and today we talked about how today was one
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  Speaker 2: of the best Vikings days ever, which is refreshing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, at least in recent memory. And of course we
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  Speaker 1: had to cover the draft. Oh yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, we only mentioned Sdar Sanders once or twice,
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  Speaker 2: but we moved on to some of the Vikings udfas
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  Speaker 2: as well.
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  Speaker 1: It was a great conversation. This was a really good beer.
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  Speaker 1: Why don't you grab a cold one, come join us.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Big Top. Thanks thanks Big Top. You brought
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  Speaker 1: some beer today. I did tell us about it. So
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  Speaker 1: I've really liked this for a long time. And I actually,
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  Speaker 1: what did you say, we've we've had this beer on
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  Speaker 1: the podcast before. Yeah, I think we've made an entire
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  Speaker 1: lap around Iowa brewed craft beer.
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  Speaker 2: I hope not, because there's a lot of other Iowa
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  Speaker 2: beers that we have not had on this podcast.
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  Speaker 1: I think you're right, We've definitely got more to explore,
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  Speaker 1: but we've had this one before. It's one of the
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  Speaker 1: only ones we've ever come back to. But it's a
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  Speaker 1: good one and I'm excited to have again.
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  Speaker 2: So fire truck Or Brewery out of Ankiny, Iowa in
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  Speaker 2: the Des Moines area, this one that we're gonna have tonight,
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  Speaker 2: is there Iowa IPA. It's an American I p A.
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  Speaker 2: And what episode was it like twenty or some twenty too?
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  Speaker 1: I think.
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  Speaker 2: Harrison Smith episode that was a solid and Paul Kraus,
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  Speaker 2: we can't forget that solid episode so and as I remember,
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  Speaker 2: solid beer. But let's give it a give it another
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  Speaker 2: try and see if our opinions have changed about this
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  Speaker 2: one yet.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, please, I remember we went to Firetrucker on our
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  Speaker 1: brew hop tour. Got to hang out there, we had to.
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  Speaker 1: I remember we had a really good conversation with the
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  Speaker 1: bartender that day.
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  Speaker 2: He was a really cool dude.
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  Speaker 1: It was pretty quiet inside because the weather was so
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  Speaker 1: nice outside. Most people were hanging out outside, but we
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  Speaker 1: opted to sit inside at that one.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, because we were we were recording a little
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  Speaker 2: bit that was a part of did you just say
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  Speaker 2: episode fifty fifty when we went to fire truck Or Brewery?
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  Speaker 2: So uh, and if if you're someone who's lucky enough
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  Speaker 2: to visit that location, unless they've taken it down.
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  Speaker 1: You might see a sticker of the skol hop.
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  Speaker 2: We may have left our mark there amongst a bunch
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  Speaker 2: of other stickers, so I feel like it was it
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  Speaker 2: was soually okay to stick it there, But yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know. I hope it's still up there. We should
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  Speaker 2: probably stop by there sometime to see.
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  Speaker 1: That would be fun.
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  Speaker 2: Till then, let's give this one a try. And this
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  Speaker 2: my goodness. So it's it's an ipa, but it's not
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  Speaker 2: citrus syne. It's kind of dare I say, almost a
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  Speaker 2: little ambery with some it does. Yeah, it kind of
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  Speaker 2: reminds me of arms Race a little bit. It's kind
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  Speaker 2: of arms Race with that ambery vibe to it. But
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  Speaker 2: it's still got the happiness of the ipa. It's really good. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: this one. I don't know. I don't dislike many beers,
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  Speaker 2: but I definitely really really like this beer. And I
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  Speaker 2: feel like every time I say I like a beer,
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  Speaker 2: kind of I say I like every beer, but may
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  Speaker 2: and I really like this beer. It's got really good
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  Speaker 2: head retention. We both had some pretty solid pores today
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  Speaker 2: not bad, and it's it's pretty hazy with that amber color.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, it's just that darker flavor with the
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  Speaker 2: hoppy tones. I like it a lot. It's one I'll
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  Speaker 2: keep going back to. It's a beer that has some
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  Speaker 2: character to it. Right, It's not just a like, oh.
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  Speaker 1: I'm an ip a, look at me, or oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm an amber, I'm your dad's beer. Right. It's a
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  Speaker 1: little more complex than that.
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  Speaker 2: So can you do that again? I like when you
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  Speaker 2: impersonate beers. People usually give voices to their dogs or
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  Speaker 2: cats or something. You give them to beers. That's awesome.
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  Speaker 1: I've been on this kick of watching these reels on
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  Speaker 1: Facebook or Instagram. I don't remember which one, but there
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  Speaker 1: are these comedians out there that do these impersonations. And
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  Speaker 1: I watched a hilarious one of a guy who just
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  Speaker 1: seamlessly transitioned from Trump to Obama, back to Trump, back
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  Speaker 1: to Obama, and it was like, Wow, if I didn't
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  Speaker 1: have eyes and I couldn't see what he looked like,
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  Speaker 1: I could have sworn it was those two human beings
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  Speaker 1: talking to each other, and he was being really funny
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  Speaker 1: with what he was saying. So I don't know, I'm
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  Speaker 1: kind of influenced right now. There you go, an impersonator.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe we should write.
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  Speaker 2: Up a script and do a little animated cartoon of
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  Speaker 2: an IPA talking to an amber beer. You just did it,
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  Speaker 2: You just did it. I really like the can art
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  Speaker 2: of this Iowa i PA. It's kind of like a
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  Speaker 2: almost abstract, different collage of everything that is Iowa. This
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  Speaker 2: beer kind of implants itself into exactly everything the Skullhop
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  Speaker 2: loves about Iowa beer. A little hint of ambery flavors,
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  Speaker 2: but definitely more for me on the IPA side. And
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  Speaker 2: then yeah, it's it's an Iowa beer. Fire truck is great.
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  Speaker 2: I like everything we've tried of their's, especially this one.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, great beer and a really good day if
• 6:45
  Speaker 1: you're a Vikings fan. Yeah, today as we're recording, it's Tuesday,
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  Speaker 1: April twenty ninth. You probably will watch this later than that,
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  Speaker 1: but this is just a really good day to be
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  Speaker 1: a Vikings fan.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Jason Harmon, he's a Twitter account that we followed now
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  Speaker 1: for a little while. Great Vikings Twitter guy. He summed
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  Speaker 1: it up pretty well. This is what he said today.
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  Speaker 1: We got footage of JJ McCarthy throwing a football, awesome,
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  Speaker 1: multiple player press conferences, It's pretty fun. Randy Moss's son
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  Speaker 1: got invited to rookie mini camp.
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  Speaker 2: Moss was back in Minnesota, baby.
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  Speaker 1: And Andrew Van Ginkle got extended. How about that? That's exciting.
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  Speaker 1: So all this, let's just break it all down. JJ
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  Speaker 1: McCarthy footage. I saw some of the highlights that.
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  Speaker 2: Were going around on footage or on Twitter. Did you
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  Speaker 2: see anything?
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  Speaker 1: I saw it like one maybe, but it was exciting nonetheless,
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  Speaker 1: I mean it was the.
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  Speaker 2: Classic like, oh, he's tossing a football and shorts and
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  Speaker 2: T shirt and practice, you know, but man, JJ McCarthy's
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  Speaker 2: kind of jogging around, running around, tossing a football again.
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  Speaker 2: That's huge.
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  Speaker 1: And after missing a whole season to a knee injury,
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  Speaker 1: he is the Promised Land. He is the air, a
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  Speaker 1: pair to the throne, right like, and he's what we've
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  Speaker 1: been waiting for. And we got a really good like
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what you would call Sam Darnold, a
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  Speaker 1: good alternative, Yeah, yeah, a really good good year. We
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  Speaker 1: got a good year out of him. He played well
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  Speaker 1: and we got him on a dime and then he
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  Speaker 1: got a really nice contract with Seattle. You wish him
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  Speaker 1: the best of luck. But you know, since we drafted
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  Speaker 1: this guy almost exactly a year ago, right now, this
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  Speaker 1: is what we've been waiting for. And I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: I don't really want to say it, like I kind
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  Speaker 1: of want to like cross my fingers behind my back,
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  Speaker 1: but like say it. I hope, I hope we don't
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  Speaker 1: have a most Vikings thing ever.
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  Speaker 2: No, I'm knocking on the Wooden skull Man's center here.
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  Speaker 1: But but all that to say, it was really exciting
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  Speaker 1: to see that today. I'm excited to see him play football.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so the highlights of him, you know, tossing the
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  Speaker 2: ball around in practice, are you know, it's fun to
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  Speaker 2: see you, but it's also fun when you come it with.
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  Speaker 2: He was one of the press conferences he talked to
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  Speaker 2: the media today, and I didn't really watch his I
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  Speaker 2: didn't watch most of the press conferences, but it's all
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  Speaker 2: good news. Everybody's undefeated right now, everybody just had the
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  Speaker 2: best draft ever, and every team is you know, about
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  Speaker 2: to win the Super Bowl, including the Vikings. So one
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  Speaker 2: thing I did read is JJ in his press conference,
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  Speaker 2: he said he's not one hundred percent healthy, he's one
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  Speaker 2: hundred and ten percent healthy. And I think he even
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  Speaker 2: sent something to the tune of I feel better now
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  Speaker 2: than I did even before I got hurt. So, you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's kind of the quote like, oh, I'm in the
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  Speaker 2: best shape of my life. You know, everybody says right now.
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  Speaker 2: But that's that's good to hear because it could be
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  Speaker 2: news like oh, yeah, I'm I'm getting there, or they
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  Speaker 2: could be saying like, oh, I'm progressing well, but no,
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  Speaker 2: it's no, I'm one hundred percent healthy, ready to go.
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  Speaker 2: And whether you like him or not, as a Vikings fan,
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  Speaker 2: at this moment, all of our hopes and dreams for
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty five and beyond rest firmly on the shoulders
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  Speaker 2: of JJ McCarthy and Kevin O'Connell and really the rest
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  Speaker 2: of the team too. But JJ McCarthy quarterback, most important
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  Speaker 2: position of football, and he's healthy again, which is awesome.
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  Speaker 1: What did you make of Randy Moss's son, Montego Moss
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  Speaker 1: getting invited to rookie mini camp?
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  Speaker 2: Can I just say Randy Moss and I'm assuming his wife.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know much about his personal life. They are
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  Speaker 2: just elite at naming sons. Montego that is an amazing name.
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  Speaker 2: I think Randy also has another son who bounced around
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  Speaker 2: the league ye for a couple of years, named Thaddeus.
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  Speaker 2: Like fantastic names, So let's just start there. Great name.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's a fun story. I it'd be really fun
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  Speaker 2: if Montego was like actually good and you know, broke
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  Speaker 2: onto the roster and became you know, if he turned
• 11:00
  Speaker 2: into what Adam Thielen was for the Vikings. Like I'm
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  Speaker 2: not predicting this. I don't think this will happen, but
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  Speaker 2: how just amazing would that be? Like, well, he was
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  Speaker 2: pretty good at the University of Maine. This last season.
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  Speaker 1: He had sixty one catches for seven hundred and twenty
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  Speaker 1: two yards and seven touchdowns on his way to earning
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  Speaker 1: All Conference honors. Ok, Like, he's not a bad receiver.
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  Speaker 1: He's not a bottom of the barrel. And I don't
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  Speaker 1: know that he got an invite just because his dad
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  Speaker 1: is Randy Mot.
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  Speaker 2: It probably didn't hurt.
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  Speaker 1: It didn't hurt. But I think he's good enough to
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  Speaker 1: warrant the invitation. And nobody's going to turn their nose
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  Speaker 1: up at this kid when they see him at camp
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  Speaker 1: and go, oh, well, he's just here because of his.
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  Speaker 2: Dad, you know, I will say. It'll probably be fun
• 11:40
  Speaker 2: to talk about for a little bit and see how
• 11:42
  Speaker 2: he performs. Did he I guess, how did that work?
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  Speaker 2: Did he sign as a UDFA or was he just
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  Speaker 2: like invited to the rookie mini camp.
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  Speaker 1: I don't see anything that says he's signed as a UDFAK,
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  Speaker 1: so that seems to tell me that he's been invited, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: to just come and basically try out at rookie mini camp.
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  Speaker 1: And maybe I don't know, maybe teams can do that.
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  Speaker 1: I've never heard of teams doing that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's a thing. That's actually how Adam Thielen
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  Speaker 2: first got his opportunity with the Vikings. They invited him
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  Speaker 2: to rookie Mini camp after the draft and they liked
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  Speaker 2: healing a lot, so they sign him. And yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if the Vikings are at the ninety man
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  Speaker 2: limit right now. They might be, but I think if
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  Speaker 2: if they like Montego enough to sign him, they'd have
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  Speaker 2: to release one of the draft picks or udfa's that
• 12:31
  Speaker 2: they just signed, or you know, somebody that was already
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  Speaker 2: on the roster. But it'll be interesting to see how
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  Speaker 2: it plays out. Maybe maybe you'll latch on, Maybe you won't,
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  Speaker 2: but it is fun to think, you know, Randy is
• 12:43
  Speaker 2: looking at the Vikings again, and maybe maybe a Moss
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  Speaker 2: will come back on the team. And who knows if
• 12:49
  Speaker 2: Josh Oliver, which we can talk about a little bit later.
• 12:52
  Speaker 2: Maybe if Josh Oliver tight end doesn't doesn't latch back
• 12:55
  Speaker 2: onto the team, or they decide his contract is too much,
• 12:58
  Speaker 2: that eighty four might be available.
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  Speaker 1: So it could be. I don't know if any of
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  Speaker 1: those things are the biggest news of the day, though
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  Speaker 1: this came out kind of late in the day. Andrew
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  Speaker 1: Van ginkle Re signed with the Vikings, and that's big,
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  Speaker 1: that's huge. He was he according to Pro Football Reference,
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  Speaker 1: which is something we reference a lot on the show,
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  Speaker 1: he had the highest av score, which is a Pro
• 13:26
  Speaker 1: Football Reference metric that they used to kind of rank.
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  Speaker 1: He had the highest AV value I think at sixteen
• 13:34
  Speaker 1: through this last season, which is the highest for a
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  Speaker 1: Viking this last season. That's basically what Pro Football Reference
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  Speaker 1: is saying is he is the best player on the team.
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  Speaker 1: He is the most valuable player on the team.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, or at least was in the past season, which
• 13:48
  Speaker 2: is crazy when you think Sam Donald had the year
• 13:51
  Speaker 2: he had just Jefferson just exists on this team, and yeah,
• 13:55
  Speaker 2: it's not all equal, it's kind of apple storages. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: Van Yinkle solid, solid player. He had two pick sixes
• 14:02
  Speaker 2: early on another opportunity to return a fumble back but
• 14:08
  Speaker 2: he kind of held back and let who was an
• 14:10
  Speaker 2: Ivan pacer? No, it was Jonathan Garnard right picked.
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  Speaker 1: Up that fumble.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Solid, So it was a one year extension. I'm
• 14:19
  Speaker 2: pretty sure he was heading into twenty twenty five as
• 14:23
  Speaker 2: the last year on his contract with the Vikings, and
• 14:26
  Speaker 2: I think it gave him what twenty two to twenty
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: three million more and new money between twenty twenty five
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: and twenty twenty six, so I think he was supposed
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: to make something like I don't have exact numbers in
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  Speaker 2: front of me. I think for twenty five he was
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: slated to make like nine ish million dollars, so that
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: bumped his up too. I think I saw like eleven
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: or twelve million for this year and then the rest
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: in twenty twenty six, which, when you're talking about one
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: of the best players on the team, that's still pretty
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: pretty solid, pretty cheap for a position that's really important.
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: I did see someone on Twitter saying, oh man, this
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: must mean that the Vikings are not comfortable with Dallas
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  Speaker 2: Turner at all.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that's the case.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, and I agree with you, but I think
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: they were kind of taking it as like, Okay, well,
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: if JJ McCarthy was looking awful, then of course they'd
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: go out and sign Sam Darnold for you know, twenty
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: million more, you know, like they're kind of equating it
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  Speaker 2: to that, like, Okay, so this must mean Dallas Turner's
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: looking awful, so they have to scramble and keep Andrew
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: vang Inkle. I could maybe see that logic, but I
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: think this is just the case of, hey, we have
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: a guy who should have gotten Defensive Player of the
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: Year votes at least definitely was a pro bowler, and
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: maybe it was really good plays.
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  Speaker 1: He was seventh in Defensive Yeah of the Year voting,
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: so he got votes. It's just not enough to I
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: think the Vikings were just like, we like this dude.
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: He's really good. He's kind of in the prime age
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  Speaker 1: of his career. He's a raise and we should try
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: to keep him a little bit longer. So I think
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  Speaker 1: it's more about Andrew Van Ginkle than it is about
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  Speaker 1: Dallas Turner well. And I think with the Dallas Turner
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: thing too, you got to consider Brian Flores does not
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: start young guys. He never has and he probably never will,
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: and that is maybe a flaw in his coaching a
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: little bit, but he always gravitates towards those older, more
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: experienced veteran players. That's just and that's I think a
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: testament to why Harrison Smith has hung on to this
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: team is because he and Brian Flores just get along
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: really well, I would expect, and there's that just even
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: though Flores wasn't around for most of Harrison Smith's career
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: in Minnesota. There's just some chemistry there. And I would
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: argue the same with Van Ginkle and why he's a
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: getting signed for another year and be why Dallas Turner
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: isn't getting the starter or not at that position is
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  Speaker 1: because he's still young, developing, and you know what, Dallas
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: Turner will be a freaking monster in a couple of
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: years after having sat behind Being Ginkle and Jonathan Grenard
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  Speaker 1: for a little while, having learned the system and learned
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: Brian Flores. Hopefully we can keep that guy for a
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: while because there's no salary cap with coaches, Is that
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: Flora's Yeah, yeah, pay the man what he wants, let's
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: keep him around.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: I think there might be a few coaching vacancies in
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: the league this coming year. There's always a few, but
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: I think we could probably list out the ones that
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: we think are going to happen. Maybe that'd be a
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: good segment in the future, like who do we think
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: is going to get fired first? As far as NFL
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: head coaches, to your point about Flora's playing younger players,
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: I think that's more of a product of his scheme,
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: and not that every NFL scheme isn't complicated, but I
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: think Flora's scheme is such that it is super complicated.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: So you need to trust a lot onto the players
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: knowing the ins and outs of that scheme, and it's
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: probably more complicated than just a twenty two year old
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: kid can most of the time handle. So that's where
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: you see most of the older players.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: It changes a lot game to game two, opponent to
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: opponent to pay Yeah, and I think I think he's
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: always got his cards pretty close to his chest. I
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: think we saw early on, you know, we saw flashes
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: early on in this last season, like those Van Ginkole
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: picked sixes that we mentioned a few minutes minutes ago.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: But I remember kind of being frustrated with the defense too,
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: like come on, what are we doing? Like, and I
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: kind of felt like maybe he was just holding his
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: cards a little bit, like, Okay, we're playing the Giants
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, I'm not going to expose all of
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: my secrets. Now. We've got to play the Niners in
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: a few weeks. We've got to play the Texans in
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: a few weeks, like I'm gonna and you know, we
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: beat the Niners. We beat the Texans. We the Vikings
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: beat those teams and pretty handily. And I think that
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: was the moment where we as Vikings fans, were like, hmmm,
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: this season could be pretty special.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: So anyways, I'm excited about Andrew Van Ginkle.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, Yeah. If you're a Viking span and you're
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: not excited about it, then you just like hating things.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: Then again, I don't think this is a detriment to
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: Dallas Turner. I think it's just, hey, we have a
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: really good player in Andrew Van Ginkle, and he deserves
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: a raise, and let's give it to him.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: So all of this happened on the heels of free
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: agency and the draft, yeah, which is also kind of
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: crazy like things just and I don't know, there's probably
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: a lot of optimism in every franchise right now in
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: the league. Yeah, but I feel like there's a ton
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: of optimism in Minnesota right now. Yeah.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, you're right, it is the nature of late
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: April early May. Everybody's undefeated, most everybody's healthy, you know,
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: everybody's in the best shape of their lives, and all
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: all these draft picks are going to be future Hall
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: of famers. That's how it is for every team in
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: the league, and that's the mentality. But genuinely, when you're
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: coming off of, you know, two thirteen plus win seasons
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: in the last three years, you have your hopes and
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: dreams on a young franchise quarterback who's looking good. Coaching
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: staff has been solid the last few years. GM has
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: been doing better and better every move he makes. The
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: roster seems to have been upgraded and the not downgraded.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: Things are looking good for the Vikings this year, and
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: it's just going to break our hearts that much more
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: in January when they inevitably do the most Vikings thing
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: ever and lose in the first or second round of
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: the playoffs.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: Can we just admire this poor for a second.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: That is a mean level poor oh man, Like the
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: foam is just sitting just above the level of the glass.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Got the nice meniscus on the there is? That? Is
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: that what it would be called? I don't know, meniscus.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: I just remember when our coaches in high school would
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: call you meniscus.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: It was just one coach, and I still think he
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: thinks my name is meniscus, which it's not.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: It's still funny when Anyways, that was a good poor Yeah. No,
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: I usually I got an emotional there. No, I got
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: the like the foam, the air and the aromas. Anyways,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: let's hope the Vikings don't do the most Viking thing
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: ever and disappoint us in January. I want to talk
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: about the draft, though.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: Why would we do that?
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: Well, we could just skip right over it because most
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: experts out there are like, oh, yeah, the Vikings failed
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: to draft, blah blah blah whatever. I want to know
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: your honest thoughts on the draft. I'll be honest with you.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: First of all, I really only paid attention to the
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: first three rounds, and then I stopped paying attention after
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: that interesting. I was awake for the first round pick
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: Donovan Jackson, offensive lineman, and I was awake for Ty Felton,
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: the third round pick that was late in the third round.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: Other than that, I didn't really watch the draft a
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: whole lot. Interesting, and I'm notorious for not making it
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: to the Vikings pick for falling asleep early, because usually
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: the Vikings are picking a little bit later in the
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: first round recently recently. Anyways, So what do you think
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: about all of the picks, first of all? And do
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: you have a favorite?
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: So, I mean, I'm not going to go as far
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: to say is oh, the Vikings are awful and they
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: failed the draft. I think they had a really boring draft.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: I think they had a bunch of missed opportunities. I
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: think the players they did pick up they're probably all fine.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: I think the only real chance they took was with
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: type Hilton, their second pick, the third rounder. He's the
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: wide receiver that seems like he's, you know, super quick
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: and agile and elite.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: You know, see the one that did a backflip at the.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: Combine, which I didn't know until after they had picked him,
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: and somebody tweeted that apparently he's got every chance to
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: be the returner punt or kick returner or both. Not
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: gonna lie. I had never heard him, really, any of
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: these guys before, but that's not a secret we've been
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: We spent the last few weeks saying like we're not
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: draft experts, but outside of him, everybody else seems kind
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: of like safe picks. I think Donovan Jackson will be good.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: I think he'll be fine, even if he turns into
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: a guy that makes a couple of Pro Bowls. I
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: think they kind of fumbled that that pick, though, because
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: if you look, didn't the Falcons trade up a few
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: picks later.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I was a little preoccupied with something else
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: while I was watching the first round, So I was
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: aware of what was happening, but I wasn't following every
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: move precisely.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: You looked it up one, Yeah, So the Vikings picked
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: at pick twenty four, and heading into the draft, I
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: was assuming, you know, predicting and kind of hoping the
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: Vikings to trade down from that pick, whether it was
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: totally out of the first round or just down a
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: few picks to gain more because they came into the
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: draft with four picks, they ended up making five. Selections
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: and they got Sam Howell, who was a young, definitely
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: backup quarterback. But that kind of you know, puts to
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: arrest some of the Aaron Rodgers talkers of it all.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: So I'm okay with it, and I kind of like
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: Sam Howell anyways, as a backup, not as a starter. Anyways,
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: just a few picks later, two picks later, the Falcons
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: traded up with the Rams. The Falcons wanted pick twenty six.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: They traded or pick forty six, so a second rounder,
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: you know, mid to early second rounder, very late. It's
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: either six or seven, I think a seventh round pick
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: in two forty two and their first round pick next year.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: So three picks to move up to pick twenty six.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: And then the Rams also gave up one hundred and one,
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: which what is that A that's probably a fourth rounder,
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: early fourth rounder. So you're telling me the Vikings probably,
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: I would assume, had a similar deal on the table
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: from the Falcons, and I'm more looking at next year's
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: first round pick. Even if the deal would have been
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: different and the Falcons were only offering next year second,
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: which would have been crazy because the Vikings would have
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: been a higher pick. Anyways, I think the Vikings probably had,
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: if not that exact deal from the Falcons, they probably
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: had some other offers on the table from teams that
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, the Giants traded up immediately for pick twenty
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: five to get Jackson Dart. I think the Viking has
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: probably had some opportunities there and still could have traded
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: down gotten a guy who is probably similar to Donovan
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: Jackson and still accumulated picks in this year and potentially
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: even a high pick next year too. So it's for
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: that reason I wish they would have taken a hypothetical
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: deal that I don't even know if it was on
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: the table, I'm just assuming it was, and gotten a
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: different guy that again, Donovan Jackson's probably gonna be fine.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: He may even be really good. I don't know, but
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: it would have been nice to have more picks.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Knowing all that, I kind of wonder if if Quacy's
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: strategy coming in was just Nope, we're standing pat at
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: twenty four. We're not moving. That's it. Maybe we'll be interested,
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: we'll take offers, we'll listen, but I mean, unless it's
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: something we absolutely cannot resist, we're gonna stand pat at
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: twenty four. And I can't see a scenario where that
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: is any different, honestly, And I think I think Quasi
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: proved that he's a good GM through free agency with
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: all of the acquisitions he made, especially to bolster both
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: offensive and defensive lines. And I think this pick, Donovan Jackson,
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: the first rounder, is the missing piece. I think he
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: or not the missing piece, but the final piece to
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: the puzzle. The offensive line is now completely rebuilt. There's
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: nobody left other than Brian O'Neill really from you know,
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: the line of vikings past on the offensive side of
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: the ball, and the defensive line is pretty much basically
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: rebuilt too. So he said he would do that. He
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: made a commitment at the end of the season, We're
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: going to rebuild the trenches. And he did that, yeah,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: which I appreciate. It's interesting. I was listening to The
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Norse Code with Arf Asan and James Pigoshnik. I think
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: is how he pronounced his name just from the last
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: I think today is when they released it, so Monday,
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: the twenty.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: Ninth good episode. It was their draft recap. I'd recommend
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: people go listen to it. But a Reef said something
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: to the tune of yes you did make a public
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: commitment to you bolstering the offensive and defensive lines, and
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: yes you did do that, but especially on offense, like
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: you don't need all five of the guys to be
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: these high investment, elite level players. If four of them
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: are that and then one of them is a second
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: rounder or Blake Brandell, you're probably still going to be
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: pretty good. And I mean, I know Christian dar Saw
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: is not healthy, but a healthy Christian dar Saw elite,
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: one of the better left tackles in the league. Blake
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: Brandell held his own. He wasn't the best, but he
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: also wasn't always the worst. I didn't think he held
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: his own. It was okay, you signed Ryan Kelly, who older,
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: but it's definitely an upgrade over what you've had in
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: center in the last handful of years. Will Fryes, you
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: made an eighty something million dollar commitment to him, and
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: he's really good. I think he was a best guard
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: in free agency. And then Brian O'Neill a little bit
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: older but still one of the better right tackles. And again,
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: even if Donod van Jackson turns into the next Will
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: Fryes or Quintinnilson, like I think they were already decent,
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: and if they could have traded down the Rams traded
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: down twenty twenty picks and they gained a first round
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: or next year, I would have much rather that deal
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: and then with that, you know, pick forty six in
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: the second round, taken one of the better offensive linemen
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: available then and still have a first you know, two
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: first round picks next year. That to me would have
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: been much more valuable.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: But I'm looking at also the depth chart. I'm not
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: saying I disagree with you. Yeah, but like, let's say
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: theoretically that Donovan Jackson comes in and plays to the
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: level that he was drafted at he was a first
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: round pick. Yeah, and he gets the starting job, and
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Darrisaw comes back, maybe slightly earlier than expected. He's back,
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: you know, maybe late September, early October, which I think
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: is about his timeline.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: I'm just basing his injury off of TJ. Hockinson. I
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: think Vikings fans should be expecting him back no earlier
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: than midway through the season. And I'm I'm no expert.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: I'm not a doctor. I don't know his prognosis. I
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: know they just posted videos of him kind of working
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: out a little bit and lifting and stuff. But they
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: kind of did that with t J. Hockinson this time last.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: Year too, So well, let's think pie in the sky.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: Everything is great. You get that group that totally rebuilt
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: offensive line with Brian O'Neill basically as the only like
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: long term veteran four. Yeah, darisaw is the rookie from
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: a few years ago who is well worth his paycheck.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: Then on the inside you have Will Fryes and Donovan
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: Jackson at guard, and then you have Ryan Kelly at center.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: If that's your starting five up front. Then you have
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: Blake Brandell in the wings as a depth guy. You
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: have Michael Jurgens. You have justin School who was just
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: signed as a free agent, Walter rowse in a bunch
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: of other names too. I don't think anybody knows, but like,
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: you have depth in a position group where I think
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: you need a lot of depth.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: Yes, offensive line, this just in super important to have
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: good starters and solid depth. Yes, I'm not maybe I'm
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: sounding a little whiny, but and that's fine. I recognize that.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: But I just think they could have gone down a
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: different route still drafted a higher end offensive linemen, especially
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: at guard guards are not as elite as tackles, which
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: I think that again, I think Donovan Jackson might have
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: been their second choice after Gray's Abel. Yeah, I don't
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: know why I would think this, but just reading between
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: the lines and the media and things like that, I
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: think it was Gray's Abel, and then if he goes,
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: which he did many picks before the Vikings, then Donovan Jackson,
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: who I didn't know this before they drafted him, but
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: since I've learned that he was you know, starting guard
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: and then eventually due to injury tackle they kicked him
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: out to tackle and it took him a minute to
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: kind of figure out and get his get his feet there.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: But I think they liked that he eventually figured it
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: out and was pretty good. They won a national championship
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: with him at left tackle the Ohio State did, so
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: they were probably okay, like, okay, we might need some
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: tackle and guard flexibility definitely in twenty twenty five, and
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: it's always nice to have beyond that. Because of Derisow's injury,
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: I think think you might see a Week one offensive
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: line with either Blake Brendell, who was always a tackle
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: before twenty twenty three when they kind of moved him
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: inside it's going to be either Jackson or Brandell at
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: left tackle and then the other one at left guard.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: That's kind of my late April prediction for that.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: And I think if you're Kevin O'Connell, you love the
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: flexibility of that on your offensive line and you love
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: being able to go, Okay, this isn't working in training
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: camp or whatever. Let's just flip you guys around. Let's
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: see what happens. We've got nothing to lose here right now.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: And I expect to see that too in OTAs here
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: coming up next month. Yeah, yeah, sorry, I know I
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: cut you off there, but I think they were too
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: focused on that, and maybe I know you kind of
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: mentioned earlier like maybe the plan was no matter what
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: picking up twenty four. I think every team is open
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: to everything, especially a guy like Quasu has a very
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: trading mentality of like, okay, value here, value there, stock
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: market type deal. I think it wasn't it may not
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: ever be totally focused on one route, but they probably
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: did get pigeonholed, like Okay, we got our guy one,
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: guy to Guy three, and guy two was there, so
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: they kind of just focused on that and said, no,
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: we don't need another first round pick next year. And
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: I only say that because the team two picks later
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: got a first round pick next year. Like that, that's
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: the only reason I'm upset. The Vikings probably had a
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: similar deal on the table.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: So we talked a little bit about Ty Felton. You know,
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: he's the one that did the backflip at the combine
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: and he played for Maryland, right.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Maryland wide receiver. The Vikings have never had any
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: luck with those.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: Guys, honestly, Like, I stayed up later than I normally
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: would to watch the Vikings make this pick. I was
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: already away and the Vikings were like three picks away,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: So I was like, all right, how.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: Sad were you when they traded back from ninety seven?
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: I was a little well. I was going to stay
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: up for that one, and then I was like, all right,
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: I can stay until one oh two, but then I
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: gotta go to bed.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: I'm tired.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: Anyways, I was a little underwhelmed when they picked a
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: wide receiver because I was like, come on, like, we
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: we have a lot of depth already, it seems at
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: that position. I don't know that we need a ton more.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: But I don't really want to talk about Ty Felton.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: Maybe he'll maybe he'll be good, maybe he'll be that
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: return guy. I don't know. But there's another guy that
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: I think will probably fill a similar position for another team.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: His official position will be on the other side of
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: the ball. But he's a graduate of our alma mater. Oh,
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: Darien Porter got picked up our high school, all our
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: high school alma mater, not our college alma mater, high
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: school alma mater. Darien Porter got picked up by the
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: Raiders in what the third round?
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah? What was it? You pulled it up earlier and
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: he was way before he was high Felton got picked up. Yeah,
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: didn't you say he was like sixty eighth overall or something.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: Let's look here, Yeah, sixty eighth overall fourth round pick. Okay,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: But anyways, my question for you is, would you rather
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: have Darian Porter as that kick returner specialist on the
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: Vikings over Ty Felton?
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: You know what, Yes, just because of the local story
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: of it all. And it would have been cool too.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: It still would be kind of cool to see if
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: he'd come on the skull hot, but it's less connected now.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: But yeah, we mentioned his name weeks, if not months ago,
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: as Darien Porter, like, oh, yeah, that'd be kind of cool.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: I think heading into the draft, I kind of thought
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: Darien Porter would be, you know, a fifth or later
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: round guy, and lo and behold, he got drafted many
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: many picks before Sanders.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: So yeah, well, you texted me, and actually I was
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: with some other people. You texted me and said, a
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: kid from Bettendorf just got drafted higher than Shadu or Sanders.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: And I said that out loud to people, and they
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: immediately latched onto it, and it almost became like this
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: little mini meme that's seeing in the group of people
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: I was with. So it was pretty cool to see
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: that kid go when he did. He apparently I've never
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: met him or worked with him, but I coached with
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: a lot of people that coached him, and he's just
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: a high character kid, does all the right things. He's
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: exactly who you want on your team. So I think
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: the Raiders are getting a really, really good kid. I
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: think a lot of people are expecting him to be
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: that return specialist. His official position is cornerback. That's what
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: he played at Iowa State, but I don't know. I
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: guess a lot remains to be seen there. But yeah,
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: I definitely agree with you. I was holding out for
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: the Vikings to pick him, and in fact you texted
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: me because I was a little preoccupied with some other stuff,
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: and you texted me almost immediately after he got scooped
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: up by the Raiders, and I thought, just based on
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: the quick little preview on my phone home screen, that
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: he got picked up by the Viking, because I was like, oh,
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: that would be so cool. And then turns out he
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: got picked up by the Raiders. I'm happy for him
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: no matter what. It's awesome.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: Maybe maybe we should still try to pull up some
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: strings and see if we can, even if it was
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: for like five minutes, you know, get them to jump
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: on here and talk about his draft process, because that
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: is really cool. I think our local area, in our lives,
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: there's been a few guys drafted, or you know, even
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: a little bit before our lives. I think back in
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: the day, what was Tavian Banks. He was an early
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: nineties kid, wasn't he.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: Tavian Banks went to bettendor If. Yeah, he was in
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: the nineties before him. Roger Craig from Davenport, Oh, yeah,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: Central played. I think had a pretty decent career with
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: San Francisco Pattang pat Anger.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: He is the second rounder.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: A pretty decent career with the Colts, and I got
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: to see him the other day. Oh, he kids go
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: high school, which is kind of fun.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: That's cool, Jake Gervass, I think, out of assumption, is
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: that where he went. Yeah, he kind of he sniffed
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: around the Rams for a few years. He may have
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: even won a Super Bowl with the Rams. But I
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: know he had a preseason game with the Vikings where
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: he came in and I think that was a Kevin
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: O'Connell like, crap, we need some depth for a preseason game, Jake,
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: are you available? And that that worked out. But yeah,
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: there's been a there's been a few guys from our
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: you know, general area that have kind of sniffed around
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: the NFL, and I think Roger Craig is probably the
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: most decorated of them all. You won multiple super Bowls
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: and then after that, I mean probably Pat Anger, you know, yeah,
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: as far as starting and career length wise. But yeah,
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: it's kind of cool. So maybe maybe we should try here.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: No promises, but it would be cool to listen to
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: a fresh draftee from our area and see his see
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: his process and how how maybe he's already gotten to
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: Vegas and talked to some people with the Raiders, and
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know how that all works.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, Well ty Felton, it'll be interesting to
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: see what happens with him. Third rounder, late third rounder.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: I mean he was the second and last pick in
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: the third round before I went to bed that night.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: But it could be a kick returner, could be not
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: even a Viking in a couple of months.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: I think third rounders, you're you're pretty good. I mean
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: you're probably making the roster and competing for a decent
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: position on the team. Anything after that, you know your
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: chances go lower and lower. Excuse me, So.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: Let's do this really quick because it's what everybody else
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: is doing, so we might as well do it. Overall.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: Draft grade, how do you? How do you grade the draft?
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: Abc DF?
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: So I'm gonna mention it again that Norse Code podcasts,
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: I listened to a Reef Hassan. He kind of said
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: something about draft grades that really struck with me, And
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: I think as a teacher, you'll you'll enjoy this too.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: Most people think like it's only a good draft if
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: you give it an a and if you give it
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: a B, then it's like, eh, okay, I guess it's fine. C.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: Then it starts to get into bad draft territory, and
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: anything less than that, it's like, oh, you're terrible. But
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: a reef kind of said, like, okay, average, you know,
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: the minimum line or the you know, the minimum good
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: line should be a C. And if it's a good draft,
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: then it's C or above, and if it's a bad draft,
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: then it's C or below. You know, more that mid range.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: So I forget what a reef get a graded out
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: personally on his draft. I'll give it like a C plus.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: It was fine. There may be a couple starters the Vikings.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: If you really look at the names that they've drafted
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: in the last ten fifteen years, there's a couple decent guys,
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: but they this team has not been an elite drafting
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: team for a long time, and I think this is
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: just another year in along the line. So hopefully Donovan
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: Jackson he's definitely going to be a starter. Hopefully he's
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: good and helps solidify the line that was already solidified
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: through free agency. After that, anything you get ty Felton,
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: Tyry and Ingram Dawkins, Kobe King, Gavin Bartholomew anything. If
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: any of those guys contribute at all, that's just greatly
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: on top for me personally. What do you think?
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I like to look at the whole picture and
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: not just the draft. And I think I've already made
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: this comment, but I'll reiterate it. I think Quacy nailed
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: free agency. I thought he did undrafted free agency or
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: oh free agency before the drafts. I thought that was
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: a home run. I thought he did super well. I
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: think he was maybe the best GM in football when
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: it comes to free agents.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: Interesting.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: Yes, the draft was a little underwhelming. And while I
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: expected the Vikings to leverage that first round pick to
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: garner some more picks and they didn't, I wasn't necessarily
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: super disappointed, and I could kind of see what the
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: thought process was. Okay, we said we were going to
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: bolster the trenches. That's what we did, and we used
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: that first round pick. We put our money where our
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: mouth is literally and put that final piece in the puzzle,
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: and that being with a guy who can play two
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: different positions. Yeah, which was solid when we might need
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: somebody to play two different positions. So when I look
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: at the whole picture, free agency, draft, everything from you know,
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: the final snap of the the playoff loss to the Rams,
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: all the way till now. I've got to say it's
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: it's in the B plus A minus, like I think
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: the draft itself. Yeah, maybe it dips a little lower
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: because there were fewer picks. The picks weren't super splashy.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: There's not a whole out of like. It wasn't like
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: last year where it was like JJ, he's the guy,
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: he's the future. Right Like last year the draft was
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: like A plus. You can't go wrong, not only because
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: you drafted JJ McCarthy in the first round, but then
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: you trade it up to get Dallas Turner, who is still,
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: you know, a really good Vikings player and we talked
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: about him a little bit ago too, So I don't know.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: I think looking holistically, you've got to say, you know,
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: it's not bad at this point and B B B
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: plus A minus on the whole from you know, the
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: end of the regular season or the end of the season,
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: the playoff loss to the Rams last year until now.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna say B plus A minus draft itself, let
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: be minus.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, I think you're kind of cheating by adding
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: the whole offseason. But that's that's okay. I will agree
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: with you. I think the the other moves outside of
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: the draft, I mean Ryan Kelly and Will Fries alone,
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: where they literally huge, like giant gentlemen, and they did
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: they put their money where their mouth is. Both Kevin
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: O'Connell and Coacy directly called out the interior offensive and
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: defensive lines, and lo and behold, they signed four guys
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: between the offensive and defensive line to solidify that area.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: So yes, they It's not like they said, hey, we
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: need you know, all these linemen and then went out
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: and just drafted wide receivers and running backs, you know.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: So they said what they were going to do, and
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: they did what they said. So there is something to
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: be said there, and I think there were solid moves.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: It is nice to have Harry back, but I think
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: that's more about Harry Harry the hitman, than the Vikings,
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: and it did take the Vikings two to be open
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: to bringing him back. The Van Ginkel extension today is
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: pretty solid. I'd love to see them get another corner
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: back because I think the whole defensive backfield is kind
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: of a little thin at depth and definitely at frontline talent.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: With the cornerback room after Byron Murphy, he got a
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: lot of question marks. And even with him he played
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: really good last year, but before that it was like, okay,
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: he's okay, let's see what happens, and then contract here
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: he exploded. So that's always something to keep an eye on. Yeah,
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: in the draft, I wish they would have gone more
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: defensive backfield. People are saying, you know, they could have
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: drafted a safety in the first round. I just I
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: don't think I'll be able to get over the lost
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: opportunity to gain more resources with that first round pick.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: But if Donovan Jackson turns out to be the next
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: Raynal McDaniel, I'll eat my words and I'll say it,
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: but I just he's good, but he's to me, he's
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: not worth the lost potential.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: Your current defensive backfield for the Vikings. Yeah, Harrison Smith,
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: Josh mattelis THEO Jackson, Jay Ward, Bubba Bolden at safety
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: and then at corner, Byron Murphy, Mackay Blackman, Isaiah Rodgers,
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: Dwight mcglothern, Jeff Acudah Califf, Hi Lassie, I've never seen
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: that name in my life, Tavier Thomas, Reddy Stewart and
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: Ambrey Thomas. And those last four names didn't even know
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: they existed until today.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: They may have been made up.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: But yeah, you're not wrong when you're saying that, Yeah,
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: there's there's a need there, right, Like yeah, Byron Murphy,
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: Mackay Blackman, those are probably your starters. Isaiah Rodgers, Dwight
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: mclother and Jeff Ocudah, they're probably your depth guys. Again,
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: don't know the other guys at corner on the safety
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: side of things, I feel a little better. Harrison Smith.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: Harrison Smith and Josh Mattelis are just ballers. And you know,
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: Josh Mattelis can play any position on the field.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: I well, And I was about to say that, like,
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: while I'm a huge Mattel's fan, and I think overall
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: he's definitely a force to be reckoned with on the
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: field as far as you know, solidifying that safety position,
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: I don't. I don't know. I think Mattelli's is more
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: valuable when you can move him around while still having
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: another safety in the backfield.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: So well, And I don't know that they would have
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: signed Theo Jackson the way they did.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and Apparently from what we're hearing through you know,
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: the Vikings accounts and Twitter and stuff, Apparently THEO Jackson
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: is supposed to be pretty good, and I guess Harrison
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: Smith was super jacked when they re signed him to
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: He had I think a couple interceptions last year. We
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: just haven't seen him enough for me. A casual, you know,
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: not a casual, but a dude that's not in the
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: locker room and doesn't hear the behind the scenes talk.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: We just haven't seen enough on game day fields to know. Okay,
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: yeah it is, it is gonna be solid. I will
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: say it is something to be said about THEO Jackson,
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: specifically that two seasons in a row, he was one
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: of the first players the Vikings made a point to
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: re sign before like some of their their last two
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: first offseason moves. Right after the twenty twenty three to
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: twenty four season and then the twenty four to twenty
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: five seasons, was signed THEO Jackson for another year. So
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: that kind of says something to me. But it's also
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: not like they would have had a lot of competition
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: for him.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So anyways, all that to say, I'm very interested
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: to see what happens from here. It's always a fun
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: time to see, you know, who sticks who doesn't. Speaking
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: of that, the Vikings kind of, in typical Viking fashion,
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: signed a whole bunch of hand drafted free.
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: Agents, well like nineteen or twenty guys.
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And this has been pretty typical of the
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: Quaisia dopha mensa Vikings. And I kind of wonder if
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: he just is like, well, let's throw stuff at the
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: wall and see what sticks kind of mentality. Who sticks
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: out to you on that list? We don't necessarily need
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: to read the whole list, but is there anybody or
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: any position group.
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: Well, I've stocked out to you. I've got two guys,
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: and maybe you'd have the same two guys. But one,
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: one of the only names I had heard of before,
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: you know, the draft started at all was Minnesota quarterback
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: Max Brosmer.
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: Ye.
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: Again, I don't think even if I was thinking, if
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: he got drafted, he'd be a very late round pick,
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: something like a Nate Stanley from Iowa from a handful
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: years ago. But apparently Max, you know, he bounced around
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: college and had some borderline success at multiple schools and
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: played pretty decent at Minnesota last season. So I'll be
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: interested to see what he does and if he latches on,
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: because what's the quarterback room look like right now? It's
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy, Sam Howell and probably Max and Max Brosmer.
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: So is that is that it?
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: I think that's it?
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: Okay, So yeah, I mean it'll be interesting to see
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: who who latches on. There's not really even there's not
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: a Sam Donald level player in that on that roster.
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: And I'm talking like Sam Donald as of this time
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: last year, not the guy that ended up surprising everybody
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: and making a Pro Bowl. So I think after JJ McCarthy,
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: if he goes down again, the Vikings will have to
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: give mister Rogers a call or something like that. They'll
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: be kind of screwed. But yeah, Max Brosmer, he's He's
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: probably the only one that I recognized. And then apparently
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: Tyler Battie. I don't know if he's an edge or
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: an outside linebacker. Really, what's the difference at this point
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: out of BYU. I think I've heard that he was
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: supposed to be, you know, he was at the level
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: of like a fourth or fifth round pick as far
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: as like the big board goes. He's a little bit older,
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: but he's a BYU guy, so they have their their mission.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: You know, those guys end up tending to be a
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: little bit older coming out of college. Anyways, I think
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: he's gonna be like twenty six in a few days,
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: like he's you know, some twenty six year olds are
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: getting their second contract in the NFL, so that can
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: kind of, you know, skew how he looks against these
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: nineteen twenty twenty one year old guys too, if he's
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: like legitimately a generation older than them. But apparently he's
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: supposed to be pretty good. Again, I didn't know his
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: name before he could walk into this room right now,
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: and I wouldn't know who he is. But yeah, Brozmer
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: and Baddie, they seem to be the guys that might
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: make the roster out of these twenty guys from what
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: I've heard. What about you any any names?
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: Broseman definitely stuck out obviously, Minnesota Golden Gopher quarterback, and
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: I don't think he was a bad quarterback in Minnesota.
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: I think Minnesota has struggled to the University of MINNESOTAA yeah, yeah,
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: what they've struggled to feel a team that's competitive in
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: the Big Ten and that's stuff. When you're you know,
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: an expanding league, you're one of the now top three
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: leagues in all of college football. There's there's a ton
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: of pressure to go out and perform. And I don't
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: know that the boat is rowing in the right direction
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: on all cylinders quite yet.
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: But you know, it's only been darn near a decade
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: for PJ. Fleck. He needs a few more years just
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: to really prove if he's a good coach.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: Hey, I think he's a phenomenal motivator of men.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: I think he's a phenomenal speech giver to the media.
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he's good at that too. I don't
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: think he's a half bad coach. I'd take him over
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: Kirk Ference if I were to pick, but I can
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: debate that later.
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: I have been very vocal about my opinions on kirk
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: Ference and that the Hawkeyes need to move on because
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: the game has passed him by. I totally disagree with
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: you on J. Fleck, and I would definitely take Ference
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: over Fleck. Wow, ten out of ten times.
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: Well, let's let's file that all away for another debate
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: that we can have and another time, because that's not
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: the point. The point is I think Brosmer was good
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: at Minnesota. I think he was a good fit for
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: the program. I watched some of their games. They weren't bad.
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: They beat some okay teams that couldn't beat the good ones.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: You know, that's kind of typical Minnesota Golden Gopher football.
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: But another name that stands out to me, and I
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: don't know it could be.
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: I hope it's what I hope you're gonna say.
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: It might be. And I have nothing to base this
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: on other than this historically has gone well for the
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: Vikings in the past. I've got my eye on Oscar
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: chapman O punter from Auburn, who is a member of
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: the International Player Pathway program. I don't know where he's from.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know anything about him, but I feel like
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: players in that International Player Pathway program have have done
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: okay with the Vikings.
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: Not to call you out, who else from that program
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: has done well.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: I knew you were going to ask me this, and
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: I should have just done my research before that. I
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: don't remember off the top of my head. But there's
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: somebody on the roster right now, isn't there.
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: Maybe I legitimate. I'm not trying to be like who
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: ever know obviously doesn't know what he's talking about.
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: I don't know there's a Vikings player right now. I
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: think that has while you look that up, Samus reyis
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: tight End. Oh yeah, that's what it was, so I
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: think and I don't know if he's still technically under
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: contract with the Vikings, but he was last year.
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: Okay, I do that name does sound kind of familiar.
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: I don't know if he ever did anything on the field.
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: I will say I think that player program International Player
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: Pathway program. I think there's something along the lines of
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: they don't count towards, like they don't take up a
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: fifty roster spot spot, so like if they were to
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: make the team, the team would basically get an exemption
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: to have a fifty fourth player. I might be wrong
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: on that, but I think there's something to that. Maybe
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: it's only in the off season.
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: Junior Ajo is the only other Vikings player to be
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: in that program. I guess all that to say, maybe
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: I'm inflating that a little much, but Sam is Reys.
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: I felt like he showed some promise and Junior Iho
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: if I remember it was a name.
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of remember that name too. I was
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: hoping that is the name. I hope I was hoping
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: you were going to say. But for Chapman, I think
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: he has the potential as a punter and you know,
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: an asse punter to come in and maybe win the job.
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: He's only competing against as of right now, Ryan right,
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: one other dude and Ryan Wright. And Wright has had
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: I think his twenty twenty four was a much better year,
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: but his twenty three was kind of up and down.
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: Ryan Wright is not solidified as you know, a competitionless player,
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: and I think of this list, maybe Chapman is one
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: of the udfas that have a better route to earning
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: a spot on the team than anybody else, just because
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: he's only competing against one one other dude, and as
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: far as contracts go, he might be cheaper. I think
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: Ryan Wright is on a one year extension right now.
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: And then those Australian football punters, they seem to be,
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: you know, attractive to the NFL and college football right
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: now just because of the way they're able to kick.
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: I think the former Hawkke guy who plays for the Bears,
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: Taylor I think is his last name. Yeah, he's one
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: of the better punters in the league. And yeah, if
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: I've never seen Oscar Chapman play. I didn't watch any
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: Auburn football. But if he's better, you got to feel
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: the best team possible. So I like the plus size
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: punter in Ryan Wright. He kind of slimmed down a
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: little bit, so I don't identify it with him as much.
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: But yeah, gotta have the best players on the roster,
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: and that could be an interesting one to watch.
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: I just had a brilliant idea. Oh man, while we
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: were talking sometime coming up, we're gonna take I was
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: looking at this list of beer that we've tried, because
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: we've tried, and we talked about this fire Trucker Iowa,
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: I p a that we've been drinking this whole episode.
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: One of these days, maybe in kind of the lull
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: of the summer or the lull of the off season,
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: you know, like February, March, early April, before the draft whatever.
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: February is super Bowl time. Man, are you saying Lowell
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: because that was a shot at the Viking.
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: Late February after the Super Bowl? Sure, Okay, somewhere in
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: the quiet part of the off season, whenever that is,
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: we should do a draft of beers.
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, beers. We've tried. Yeah, that could get that could
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: be a dangerous episode. Would be fun because and maybe
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: you didn't mean it this way. I meant it like
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: we were going to drink qualities. I'm quickly realizing you
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: were taking the responsible route and not thinking probably wouldn't.
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: Drink all of them. We might drink one or two
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: of them.
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: We could bring like our top, our personal top like
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: three or something. Well, that's there's something there. You got
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: you got a good idea there.
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: I'm always thinking.
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: We always think, what if we had like a part
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: impartial like Judge or something, and I don't know, there's
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: we'll figure it out. Friend of the Show Forest would
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: be a great guy.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: For that job.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: That is true.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: Maybe maybe he and I could switch positions and he
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: can sit in the middle and I can sit over here,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: and then we can go back and forth.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: All right, I will say a front of the show
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: Forest draft time, that's where he shines. So we we
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: probably need to have him on very soon to before
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: the draft talkers are all stale and nobody cares anymore
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: because he's he would be one that would look at
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: who the Viking's drafted, and he'd have something to say
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: about six round pick Kobe King like linebacker, Like he'd
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: be like, oh yeah, they're guy out of I think
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: actually he played at Penn State. He might actually have
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: something to say about that, dude. But yeah, yeah, that
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: might be interesting to hear his his takes on that. Well,
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: maybe in the next couple of episodes. That's something we do.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: We draft beers and he can draft beers with us. Yeah, okay,
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: and we also talk about, yeah, the everything.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: That happens in the wake of the draft.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: I think that on air product meeting, we'll put out
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: the Forest beer signal and not the bat signal, but
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: the beer signal, and we'll have him on soon because
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: you know, we have to twist his arm every time
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: it comes on. He just hates he hates coming on here.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: Just kidding. He enjoys it. We enjoy having him too.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: Was this everything you remembered it to be for the
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: last time we had it?
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: I love this beer.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: It's so good.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: It's it's really good. And I again, I know your
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: wheelhouse is more of the like the brown nailes, the ambers,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: the the ones you sit by the fire in the fall,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: whereas my wheelhouse is the ones you sit by the
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: fire or the lake in the spring, in the summer.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: You know, the the I P A is the citrusy ones,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: and I feel like this while it's still on the
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: I PA side. Oh Man, Hopefully me knocking my microphone
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: didn't just send like A do to everybody. Probably I'm
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: probably just anyways. Uh, this one is still on my
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: side of the spectrum, but it's more towards the middle.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: I think it. Yeah, it fits both of those categories.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: It checks those boxes like could you have this in
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: the springtime, yes, could you have it in the fall, absolutely?
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: And you could have it any other time of the year.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: I'll have any beer anytime of the year, no matter what.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: Oh Man, any beer.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, any any beer, any beer.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: Oh you don't know what you just did.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know who sings the song, but the chorus
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: there's a cold beer calling my name that rings in
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: my head quite often A most days, I love you.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: This is a this is a quintervention. I'm just kidding.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: How are you gonna disagree with me on that?
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: Like, I can't. Our podcast is half beer.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll drink any beer anytime, any day pretty much.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: So within a reason, I mean yeah, within reason, within reason.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: This beer, I'll drink any day.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: Well, this has been good beer, and I'm excited. I'm
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: feeling really optimistic about the vikings. Do you think people
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: out there are feeling optimistic about the school Hop?
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: I hope so, and I hope they let us know.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: How would they let us.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: Know theref Well, you could send us an email. That
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: seems like old school now, but no, it's still very
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: much a reliable source of communication, The School Hop at
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: gmail dot com.
• 1:03:28
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• 1:03:31
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• 1:03:32
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• 1:03:34
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• 1:03:36
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• 1:03:39
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• 1:03:41
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• 1:03:44
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• 1:03:49
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• 1:03:53
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• 1:04:00
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• 1:04:04
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• 1:04:05
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• 1:04:08
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• 1:04:12
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• 1:04:15
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• 1:04:17
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• 1:04:21
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• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: There's a merch tab you'll find us on tea public
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: is where most most of our stuff is sold out of.
• 1:04:30
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• 1:04:33
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• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: if you want to, this is the smallest. If you're watching,
• 1:04:39
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• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: have a couple other larger ones and if you're if
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: you're an eagle eyed Skull Hop viewer, you may be
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: able to pick out a couple of times where we've
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: broken out the largest available flag that you can buy
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: of the School Hop logo. On a past episode, it's you.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: It's I didn't realize what I was ordering and what
• 1:05:04
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• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: we're out there. Reach out to us. We'd love to
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: interact with you. Yeah, I guess I don't know. I
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: think we've said all we can say this. This draft
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: was boring but still fun. I still love the draft
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: and all that to say, I think the Vikings are
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: a good enough team that they can't They're allowed to
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: have a boring draft, at least in my eyes.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: Especially considering free agency as it was. That was maybe
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: the more exciting aspect to this Vikings offseason.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: So hard Man, great episode, great beer. And then I
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: think we're getting too good at this one.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: Take one, We're so good at this