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Hutton & Withrow: Vanderbilt Without Diego Pavia EXPOSED? Dan Orlovsky's Embarrassing ESPN Moment | Hour 1 · Hutton & Withrow Show

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  Speaker 1: Welcome into another edition of the Hutton and Withrow show
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  Speaker 1: am Chad Withrow, Jonathan Hutton, not with us right now,
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  Speaker 1: going to fuel me throughout this morning. We got a
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  Speaker 1: ton to get to today. How much is too much?
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  Speaker 1: We're going to talk about that a little bit later.
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  Speaker 1: Our fearless leader, Clay Travis, has ranked chain sit-down restaurants.
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  Speaker 1: I have thoughts. My thoughts might surprise you. Normally, I'd
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  Speaker 1: like to criticize Clay and his opinions as much as possible.
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  Speaker 1: But on this one, I fear that Clay almost nailed
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  Speaker 1: his rankings on this one. He got very close to
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  Speaker 1: doing it. So good job by Clay there. We got
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  Speaker 1: a lot to get to with the SEC. We're going
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  Speaker 1: to go for the bundle and give you our parlay
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  Speaker 1: for this week coming up as well. So much to
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  Speaker 1: get to on this Wednesday edition. Oh, also, every Wednesday
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  Speaker 1: means one thing, primary complaint. JT's got a good one.
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  Speaker 1: I've got a good one for you. You can hit
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  Speaker 1: us up in the YouTube chat. Let us know yours
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  Speaker 1: as well. We may read some of those on air.
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  Speaker 1: But first, I want to get to a couple of
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  Speaker 1: corrections before we get into the big topic to start today.
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  Speaker 1: I don't feel the need to be, you know, Pat
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  Speaker 1: McAfee and come back and talk about fearing for my
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  Speaker 1: life or people are so mean to me online or
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  Speaker 1: anything like that. But I will say that most of
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  Speaker 1: the time when people are mean to me online, I
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  Speaker 1: do like for the material they're criticizing me about to
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  Speaker 1: be accurate. And it's something that I said or that
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  Speaker 1: I ranked. I love my guy, Brooks, who does our graphics,
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  Speaker 1: does a great job. And Brooks, by the way, is
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  Speaker 1: an expert at this. He knows the pulse of the people.
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  Speaker 1: He knows what's going to get people going. So I
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  Speaker 1: feel like when Brooks puts this graphic up about Texas
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  Speaker 1: being the fifth most disappointing team in America and not
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  Speaker 1: what I sent to him and JT, which was Sark
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  Speaker 1: and Arch being fifth, I'm pretty sure that he knows
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  Speaker 1: this is going to get engagement. Can you throw that
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  Speaker 1: up there again? Because I want to read that first
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  Speaker 1: comment that comes down to me. You don't know ball.
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  Speaker 1: And then an expletive thrown my way. That was about
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  Speaker 1: 85 of the comments that came to me because people
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  Speaker 1: have the inability to read when I post and say,
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  Speaker 1: I'm talking about the offense with Sarkeesian and Arch and
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  Speaker 1: not Texas as a whole, but Texas fans just roasting
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  Speaker 1: me left and right. because of that graphic by putting
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  Speaker 1: Texas up there. So Brooks, I want twofold here. One,
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  Speaker 1: you're a genius. Thank you. That got way more engagement
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  Speaker 1: on that than I ever could have imagined. And two, man,
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  Speaker 1: you hung me out to dry on that one. If
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  Speaker 1: I don't take enough shrapnel because of people making fun
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  Speaker 1: of me for my other takes or Iowa fans all
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  Speaker 1: over me or whatever it may be, now Texas fans
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  Speaker 1: have a reason to hate me also. Let me clarify,
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  Speaker 1: Texas fans. I do not think you're one of the
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  Speaker 1: top five biggest disappointments as a team. You have three
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  Speaker 1: of the biggest wins in college football, Ohio State at Tennessee,
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  Speaker 1: and you beat Ole Miss at home. Now you have
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  Speaker 1: two losses, which is disappointing for Texas fans, having started
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  Speaker 1: the way you did. That loss to Florida at home
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  Speaker 1: was greatly disappointing for Texas, especially where they were ranked
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  Speaker 1: nationally at that point. But I don't think your team
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  Speaker 1: is as disappointing as some others. Do I think that
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  Speaker 1: Arch Manning and Steve Sarkeesian in that offense is disappointing? Absolutely. Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: I think that is disappointing. So, yeah, that's a big
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  Speaker 1: issue for you. Let's get to another team that's been
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  Speaker 1: disappointing so far this season. We do the show here
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  Speaker 1: in Nashville. I've had a longstanding feud with Vanderbilt fans.
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  Speaker 1: That Cold War has thawed over the years. I think
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  Speaker 1: Vandy fans, they understand me a little bit more. I
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  Speaker 1: understand Vandy fans a little bit more. I know a
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  Speaker 1: lot of the people in charge of the Vanderbilt football program.
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  Speaker 1: I like all the people in charge. I think they're
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  Speaker 1: very smart. This is the opposite of what's going on
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  Speaker 1: with the Titans right now, where I don't really know
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  Speaker 1: many people with the Titans. I don't particularly like the
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  Speaker 1: people that I do know. Some I do like. But
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  Speaker 1: I also think that, and the results bear this out,
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  Speaker 1: that it's wildly incompetent the way that organization is run.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that's the case with Vanderbilt football. I
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  Speaker 1: think Clark Lee is one of the smartest guys that
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  Speaker 1: I've met in coaching, deeply analytical, deeply– Not insulated, but
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  Speaker 1: he is someone who internally thinks about what he can
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  Speaker 1: do every day to be better and to better his program,
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  Speaker 1: which I think is a good thing. He's introspective. That's
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  Speaker 1: the word I'm looking for. A very introspective coach is
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  Speaker 1: Clark Lee. And I think he's done a nice job
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  Speaker 1: at Vandy. But yesterday I started thinking about it. And
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  Speaker 1: I started thinking about the record of Clark Lee when
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  Speaker 1: he doesn't have Diego Pavi. And I'm like, man, how
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  Speaker 1: bad is it? Because when you look at his tenure,
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  Speaker 1: he's into year seven now, six years in. So 2021,
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  Speaker 1: he came in. 21, 22, 23, 24, 25. He's in
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  Speaker 1: year six at this point. When you look at the
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  Speaker 1: numbers of what he's actually accomplished when he doesn't have
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  Speaker 1: Diego Pavia quarterback. Now, look, I get it. You take
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  Speaker 1: anybody's best year or two off of their record and
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  Speaker 1: their record is going to look worse than it is.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm not trying to cherry pick here. But I
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  Speaker 1: am asking a bigger question. How sustainable is Vanderbilt football
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  Speaker 1: with Clark Lee or anyone else when you take away
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  Speaker 1: the guy who transferred from New Mexico State and the
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  Speaker 1: whole New Mexico State mafia, Stowers, Pavia, Tim Beck, bringing
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  Speaker 1: everyone over from there that ran the offense, that organized
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  Speaker 1: the offense, that two-year blip for Vandy. Is that a blip?
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  Speaker 1: Or is this something you can recreate in the SEC
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  Speaker 1: at Vanderbilt? So I crunched the numbers, and here's what
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  Speaker 1: I found. This is Clark Lee without, with and without
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  Speaker 1: Diego Pavia. With Pavia, 17-9 overall, 9-7 in the SEC.
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  Speaker 1: Without Diego Pavia, 12-32 overall, 2-27 in the conference. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: 2-27 in the conference is winning 7% of your SEC games. 12-32,
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  Speaker 1: and that's with a lot of bye games mixed in
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  Speaker 1: each year. That's going to get less, by the way.
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  Speaker 1: You get one less win on the schedule now that
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  Speaker 1: you have nine SEC games. That's 37% of his overall
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  Speaker 1: games won. Offensively, they go from averaging 390 yards per
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  Speaker 1: game with Pavia to, over the other years, 330 yards
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  Speaker 1: per game. Now, again, he got Diego Pavia. I give
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  Speaker 1: him full marks for doing that. That is a great accomplishment.
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  Speaker 1: And all the success that he had there is in
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  Speaker 1: part due to Clark Lee. I mean, Clark Lee brought
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  Speaker 1: in a guy who got to New York as a
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  Speaker 1: Heisman finalist. It's incredible. This is Vanderbilt football. We're not
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  Speaker 1: talking about Notre Dame, where he came from. We're not
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  Speaker 1: talking about Alabama. We're not talking about Michigan. We're talking
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  Speaker 1: about Vanderbilt football. And everybody knows the history of Vanderbilt football.
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  Speaker 2: Not great.
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  Speaker 1: So Clark Lee was able to accomplish that. So he
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  Speaker 1: gets full credit for that. He gets full credit for
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  Speaker 1: diagnosing a big problem within his own organization and his
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  Speaker 1: own program and saying, you know what? Yeah, we had
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  Speaker 1: a good year in 22, and then we backslid in 23.
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  Speaker 1: So starting in 24, he said, I'm going to blow
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  Speaker 1: this thing up. I'm going to bring in a head
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  Speaker 1: coach on offense. I'm going to pay attention more to
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  Speaker 1: the defense, and I'm going to let Diego Pavia– And
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  Speaker 1: that offense, Tim Beck, Jerry Kill, everybody come in for
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  Speaker 1: New Mexico State and run this thing. And it worked.
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  Speaker 1: It worked. They go 10-2 a year ago in the
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  Speaker 1: regular season. They beat arch rival Tennessee in that game.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it worked beautifully for them at that point
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  Speaker 1: in time. But is it going to work from here
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  Speaker 1: on out?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. And keep in mind that record, 12-32 overall, 2-27.
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  Speaker 1: In the SEC, let's compare that to some other coaches
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  Speaker 1: who just got fired. Mike Loxley at Maryland, a program
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  Speaker 1: that I don't think many people would think is that
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  Speaker 1: much better than Vanderbilt, and they're in a tough conference,
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  Speaker 1: the Big Ten. 38-49 overall, fired. Dave Aranda at Baylor,
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  Speaker 1: another program that has been better since Art Bryles got there,
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  Speaker 1: but let's face it, Baylor isn't also ran back in
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  Speaker 1: the old Southwest Conference, the Big Eight, the Big 12,
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  Speaker 1: wherever they're playing. 40-40, 500 record, fired.
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  Speaker 2: At Baylor.
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  Speaker 1: Clark Lee right now, and this is with Pavia, 29-41 overall.
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  Speaker 1: 29-41 overall. This is not me saying that Clark Lee
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  Speaker 1: is in trouble. I don't think he should be in trouble.
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  Speaker 1: This is not me saying that Clark Lee did not
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  Speaker 1: have huge accomplishments the last two years. He did. My
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  Speaker 1: big question moving forward is, if you're Vanderbilt, you're a fan,
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  Speaker 1: you're that football program, you've got to ask yourself, what
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  Speaker 1: are we You're not Georgia. You're not Alabama. You're not Tennessee.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody knows that about the program. But what I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to see happen is I don't want to see
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  Speaker 1: the powers that be at Vandy, the athletic department, the
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  Speaker 1: people who spend money on NIL, all of that to say, guys,
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  Speaker 1: this proves it. We're just Vandy. We're just Vandy. We're
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  Speaker 1: always going to be Vandy. It doesn't matter what we do.
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  Speaker 1: Now everyone's spending money. It doesn't even help us that much.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to go right back to not committing and
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  Speaker 1: not investing in football. Please don't do that. I beg
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  Speaker 1: of you, please don't do that. Use this season to
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  Speaker 1: motivate you. Use this season to motivate you. Vandy fans
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  Speaker 1: and Vandy's program hates being compared to Tennessee. I get that.
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  Speaker 1: I understand all those things. It's their rival. You need
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  Speaker 1: to have a Tennessee-like response to this. And here's what
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  Speaker 1: I mean by that. A year ago when Tennessee fell
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  Speaker 1: apart late in the season, they couldn't stop anybody. They
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  Speaker 1: weren't physical enough on defense. They missed a bunch of tackles.
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  Speaker 1: They got physically manhandled by Vanderbilt in that final game,
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  Speaker 1: in that second half in Neyland Stadium. The response from
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  Speaker 1: Josh Heupel and Tennessee boosters and fans wasn't, oh crap,
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  Speaker 1: we're just never going to be good in the SEC.
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  Speaker 1: Let's give up and let's just keep doing what we've
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  Speaker 1: done and hope to get six or seven wins a season.
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  Speaker 1: Their response was to fire the defensive coordinator and hire
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  Speaker 1: Jim Knowles. Their response was to spend more money on
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  Speaker 1: a strength coach than any other program in America and
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  Speaker 1: go hire the dude that just got freaking Indiana a
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  Speaker 1: national championship to run their strength program. Both of those
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  Speaker 1: moves have worked out beautifully for Tennessee. Their response was motivational. hey,
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  Speaker 1: we don't want to get run over like that by
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  Speaker 1: Vanderbilt again late in the year. Let's go do something
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  Speaker 1: about it. The response was not to throw your arms
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  Speaker 1: up in the air. I'm not trying to pretend that
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  Speaker 1: I can tell the future or know exactly what's going
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  Speaker 1: to happen. I'm just pleading with Vanderbilt, everybody there, and
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  Speaker 1: I know Clark Lee would agree with me on this,
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  Speaker 1: and everybody involved with that program. Don't throw your hands
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  Speaker 1: up in the air because this looks like it's going
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  Speaker 1: to be a lost season and say, well– We're just Vandy.
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  Speaker 1: What'd you guys expect? Not going to get much better
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  Speaker 1: than this. There's not much we can do in this SEC.
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  Speaker 1: Don't do that. Use this as motivation. You've got a
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  Speaker 1: five-star unique talent at quarterback that's a freshman. Build around him.
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  Speaker 1: Go spend big money in the transfer portal. Go bring
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  Speaker 1: in a top-notch receiver out of high school. Build weapons
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  Speaker 1: around Jared Curtis and get this thing back closer to
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  Speaker 1: to what we saw under Diego Pavia because we showed
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  Speaker 1: you the record. That was a way different Vanderbilt team
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  Speaker 1: than what we've seen without him so far. But use
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  Speaker 1: what's happening this year as motivation and don't go right
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  Speaker 1: back to, hey, same old Vandy. We just can't get
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  Speaker 1: this done. I know Vandy fans agree with me on
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  Speaker 1: that final point. They probably hate seeing those numbers of
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  Speaker 1: Clark Lee without Diego Pavia, but numbers don't lie. Numbers
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  Speaker 1: aren't racist. Numbers aren't Vandy haters. Numbers are numbers. He's
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  Speaker 1: 2-27 in the SEC without Pavia. He's 12-32 overall. Now
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  Speaker 1: you've got Jared Curtis, a five-star talent at quarterback. Build
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  Speaker 1: around him. Motivate to get better. Don't sit back and say,
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  Speaker 1: we can't make this happen. Because Pavia and the New
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  Speaker 1: Mexico State Mafia, they showed that, in fact, you can
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  Speaker 1: make it happen. We're going to take a quick break.
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  Speaker 1: I think Jonathan Hutton is going to hop on with
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  Speaker 1: us also. And we're going to discuss Dan Orlovsky, not
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  Speaker 1: knowing that percent and percentage means that a number is
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  Speaker 1: based out of 100. That sounds even crazier coming out
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  Speaker 1: of my mouth as I say it. We're going to
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  Speaker 1: play the clip for you, and we're going to react
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  Speaker 1: as almost even like when he was on with us
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  Speaker 1: he almost seems like a child uh in that he's
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  Speaker 1: got like a childlike wonderment for the world around him
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  Speaker 1: yeah i think that he's it's i don't know i
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  Speaker 1: i don't know his upbringing i don't know what it
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  Speaker 1: was like so i don't want to pretend to know
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  Speaker 1: everything about him but he almost feels like somebody's kind
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  Speaker 1: of a little sheltered uh in certain things.
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  Speaker 2: And he would treat his stuff as sport it was
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  Speaker 2: a game He's.
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  Speaker 1: Just all football though. Like he's all, you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: we found this out, but it's all like plays and
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  Speaker 1: he's a different dude when it comes to that. Like
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  Speaker 1: it feels, he's not very street smart. I would say when,
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  Speaker 1: when you talk to him and he even hear him
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  Speaker 1: on TV and watch him, that's the sense I get
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  Speaker 1: about him. I'm even more certain of that after what
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  Speaker 1: we heard him try to explain the to Pat McAfee
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  Speaker 1: yesterday as if he was breaking down Pythagorean's theorem for
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  Speaker 1: Pat McAfee. Here's Dan Orlovsky explaining to the audience what
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  Speaker 1: percent means.
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  Speaker 3: Can I ask you guys a question?
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  Speaker 4: Yes. Great shot. I think that went in.
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  Speaker 5: Okay. Hand to God, true story. Do you guys know
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  Speaker 5: what percent, like the word percent.
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  Speaker 3: Is derived from?
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  Speaker 4: Percentile?
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  Speaker 5: Percentage?
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  Speaker 1: What?
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  Speaker 3: But from what? Like how come it's percent?
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  Speaker 4: Pizzas because i think okay so.
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  Speaker 5: Hambo this morning was like joe burrow his sack rate
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  Speaker 5: is four percent and i said dumb this down for
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  Speaker 5: me why like no human's gonna hear me say that
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  Speaker 5: i'm gonna make them smarter he goes well what do
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  Speaker 5: you mean i said what does that actually mean he
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  Speaker 5: goes well out of every 100 dropbacks he's getting sacked
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  Speaker 5: four times and i said is that really what it
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  Speaker 5: is like it's always out of.
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  Speaker 3: 100 he's like per all right cent all right okay
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  Speaker 3: no percentile Yeah. Centennial mark. Cent is 100, yeah, per 100.
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  Speaker 3: You're a jackass, dude.
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  Speaker 4: I knew 1% was out of 100, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we all knew it was out of 100, yeah.
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: I didn't know it was always out of 100.
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: So it's 50%.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: Wait, why did.
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: He say it? And I didn't know... Did you go
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: to school? Did you have a grading system? And I
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: didn't know it was... Holy fuck.
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: You knew percent was per cent, like cent meaning 100th century.
• 17:36
  Speaker 6: I don't think we knew the word.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: We all knew it was out of 100.
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I always thought it could be a.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: What?
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: 32. 88.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: Man. Like two out of three is, yeah, 66%. But
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: if you keep going, there is 100 in there. Damn. Yeah.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: Come on.
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: I was just, I did not know percent. That's why
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: it was broken down to me that way.
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: I love it to you. I love that you can
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: get on TV and say that now on NFL Live.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: Who the fuck?
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: Let me break it down to you this way. He's
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: out of 100. Is that what he said to you?
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: And you said, oh.
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: And he goes to like one out of every 25.
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: And that's why I said that before with Joe. That's
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: how that came about.
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: I appreciate you leaving no stone unturned, but that's tough, dude.
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: That's a tough one. That's a tough one, especially with
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: like how much you talk about. stuff that revolves around percentages.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: I'm not a big numbers and percentage person, though, unless
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: they make sense to me.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: Clearly.
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: And percents are out of 100. Congratulations, dude. That's Dan
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: Orlovsky there. 100% of the time, that's out of 100. 100%
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: means out of 100 times.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: It was more percent. Like, that was more of the.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure.
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 18:56
  Speaker 6: No doubt.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: No doubt, homie.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: Bro, yeah, bro. You're the best.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: Stan Orlovsky.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: My baby, Dan.
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: 50% of the time, he gets it right, which means half.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: Because... So he gets it.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 19:10
  Speaker 6: There you go.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: He had courage to say that on.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, good on him.
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: You're right.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Yikes.
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: That is a tough thing to say.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: On your way out.
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: As a sports person.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the last thing everyone's going to remember.
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: He's coming back. He forgot something. Did you leave a
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: percentage here?
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: Sport cut. That would be about half of that suit,
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: which would be about 50%. Every time.
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: Half is 50%.
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: He picked up fast.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: Great to see you, Bob. Great to see you, Dano.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: Have a good day.
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: Dan, we appreciate you, dude.
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: Really don't know how you do life and how you've
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: gotten this far.
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: Proud of you, man.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: Way to go, dude.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: You defied all odds. Let's get to a break, dude.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: That was tough. How long has he been on ESPN
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: and not known that? Using the word percent.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: The whole time, apparently. Just that morning, he said his
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: stats guy gave him a percentage. Hey, I'm going to
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: break you guys down some news here that I just got.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: Do you know what percent means? And they were like
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: trying to figure out. Look, I took Latin in high
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: school and it may have been the smartest thing that
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: I did because then I can break down words based
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: on the Latin root of it. But you don't have
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: to take Latin in high school to know that sent
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: and sent as a prefix is out of is 100 percent.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: comes from the Latin word symptom. I thought he was
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: going to break down, hey, did you know that this
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: was a Latin word and the scent is actually from
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: a Latin word? That would be something that would be okay.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of people know that, but at
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: least a little bit interesting. But when he goes into,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: so you knew that it wasn't just like out of 138,
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: that it's out of 100? That's where my head dropped.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: And you can tell McAfee and everyone's response was basically, GTFO,
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: you're putting us on. You didn't know that it was
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: out of 100. So when you see A free throw
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: shooter shoots 80%. You didn't know that they make 80
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: out of 100. He truly did not know that. And
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: that's the response when McAfee's saying, good job getting through
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: life this far and getting on TV and being employed
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: by ESPN and being on all these shows this entire
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: time when you just now learned that percent means out
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: of 100.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: Chad, he is a 58% passer for his career at
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: the NFL.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: He didn't know what that meant.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: He went to that every single week. Um, which is worse.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: Jared Goff, not knowing that the sun rises in the
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: East and sets in the West or this.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: I would say on camera. Um, one was on hard docs.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: Here's the thing about this, this deal, it will follow
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: him around forever. Um, Someone said, this is what you're
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: going to be remembered for. I think someone dropped in
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: there like, this is going to be the lasting impression
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: of the visit with us today is that you did
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: not know until now what percent mean.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: No longer a safety.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know if Dan Orlowski's gone on another show.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: you know, talked about clarifying, Hey, I knew what a
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: hundred was. I just mistimed my words or I was
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: confused about, I didn't know the meaning of percent or
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: he's just going to own it that he truly didn't
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: know it. Just like Kyrie Irving, you know, when he
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: talked about, you know, was it not flat earth and
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: the people who were like, I don't think we landed
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: on the moon. You know, you'll always remember those, those
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: people who believe that Jared Goff is another great example.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, look, we all have something that either took
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: us way late in life to figure out or realize
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: that's very simple for everyone else. But people who work
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: in sports, that thing would not be what a percentage
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: is and what the percentage point means. To say that
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: it was based out of 138, what's the number that
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: it's based out of? 100, dude. It's based out of
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: 100 every single time is wild.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Well, and he would use this. He started ESPN in 2018,
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: it says on Google. He's used this every single day. Clearly,
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: his research guy just puts words on a piece of
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: paper for him. And he says it. That's crazy, man.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: I didn't know how to tie a tie for the
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: longest time. Chad, you know this. You've tied it for
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: me before. But that's different because I know that a
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: tie is tied.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: I know what the percentage is.
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: The....
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: Orlovsky's the one who brought it up on there. He
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: thought he was going to have someone on his side
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: for this.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: It was, I mean, he, he really thought that he
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: was like, man, I got some really important information for,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: for McAfee's crew today. I'm going to break down what,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: did you guys know that, you know, when you hear percentage,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: I don't even know what that means. Remember when Bill
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: O'Reilly didn't know what play us out, play us out
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: to play us out. And he's acting like this is
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: like new things to play us out, play us out.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: What does that, what does that even mean? And he's
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: going like, I feel like Bill O'Reilly went to his
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: friends the next day. He's like, guys, I, I know
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: you guys have been in broadcasting for a while, but
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: did you know that play us out with a song
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: meant that the music is going to play you to
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: a break? Did you realize that in all your years?
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: And everyone's nodding and saying, yeah, Bill, we knew what.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: We could figure it out even if we're not in broadcasting.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: If someone says we're going to use this to play
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: you out, what that means, that they're going to play
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: you to break. I mean, this was the biggest. We had, what,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: Mashed Carrots back in the day?
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: PK on our show. This was the worst case of
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: mashed carrots I've ever heard. This would be Orlovsky sarcastically
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: explaining to someone what percentage means to someone having known
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: what it is. But instead, it was Orlovsky thinking that
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: he just broke some sort of code by figuring this
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: word out and then went on air and told them that.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: It was a very, very tough look and a tough
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: day for Dan Orlovsky. It's really bad.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: They're going to have to add this to the ESPN
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: test to get a job. Dan Patrick would always give
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: insight on that. They'll quiz you on the second linesman
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: on a hockey team. They want to know the last
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: name of that guy and how you spell it. If
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: you're an anchor back in the day. They would just
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: gloss over percentage. Please define what a percent means. That's
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: the Orlovsky question. That's the Orlovsky rule.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: This will also, this someone, I'm sure that I could
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: search it right now on Twitter. We're going to get
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: into a WNBA topic later where the big bad NBA
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: and it's a misogynistic scheduling dilemma that's going on right
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: now with the WNBA tomorrow. I guarantee you there is
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: someone on the internet that has said, here is a
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: white man employed by ESPN that they hired because he's
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: a white man and the dude does not know what
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: percent means. And he does not know that it's based
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: out of 100. And here, once again, it's privilege creeping
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: up where Dan Orlovsky got a job from ESPN. I'm
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: sure Dan Levitard is working on a bit right now
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: on his show that he's going to go into Dan
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Orlovsky not understanding percentage. The problem with Dan Orlovsky is
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: he's such a nice dude to everybody.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: Great guy.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are going to have
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: a hard time just crushing him to that level because
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: he is such a nice guy. But that was a
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: tough look. The one example I can think of, again,
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: if we're being honest, everybody's got something. Now, we don't
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: go on national television and reveal how stupid we are
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: with something like that. That's something you keep to yourself
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: if you really didn't know what percent was until that
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: morning and you don't reveal it on air. Mine is
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: anything to do with the U.S. mail. If you gave
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: me an envelope right now to address, I still think
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: that I would confuse the right and the left. on
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: where the stamp goes and where everything else goes. We've
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: talked about this before, but I like get anxiety having
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: to do anything with the mail and even going back
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: to first grade when you learn how to address an
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: envelope and put the stamp on each side. I think
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: the stamp goes on the right side. I could be
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: completely off on that. And then the return address goes
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: over here, but it's something that every time I see it,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: if I'm ever asked to do it, I second guess
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: myself on which is which. I know people who have
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: a hard time between right and left. Like, they legitimately
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: cannot get their brain around turn right.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: Which way?
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: And they start to turn left. And I'm like, no, that's–
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: and you learn early, like, okay, if you're right-handed, what
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: hand do you right with? Raise that hand. You know,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: you learn it by that, your dominant hand one way
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: or the other. But I know people who have a
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: hard time with right and left. Maybe Orlovsky's one of
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: those too. We know he's got a hard time with
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: up and back based on him running out of the
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: end zone for a save.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: Exactly. And he'll be done more for this, which is funny. The–
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: But not knowing what it meant, meaning like one out
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: of 100, like 58 is out of 100. And how
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: many times he's used this or heard this throughout his career? JT,
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: do you have one? I'm curious if JT has one
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: of these. Mine was tie-tied with Rose's, the envelope.
• 28:03
  Speaker 6: There's nothing that really, really stands out. But I will
• 28:05
  Speaker 6: tell you, I'm the first to raise my hand. If
• 28:08
  Speaker 6: you guys need me to get you somewhere as far
• 28:11
  Speaker 6: as directions go, and I don't have, you know, Google Maps.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: Don't let that rhyme.
• 28:17
  Speaker 6: Don't tell me you can say go to McDonald's and
• 28:20
  Speaker 6: turn left and then turn right at the first stop.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: So I'm good.
• 28:23
  Speaker 6: But north, south, east, west, that kind of stuff. If
• 28:26
  Speaker 6: I was born, you know, 75 years ago and had
• 28:29
  Speaker 6: to use a map, we're screwed.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're spot on. My in-laws and everything in Nebraska
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: is a big grid. So they have these sections of farms.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: So everything's a square mile. So if you fly over
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: the state where you see the big squares, looks like
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: a quilt across the state. they always know what direction
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: everything is at all times. Um, it's like they have
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: a sundial with them at all times. Like that's North
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: of the shed or we headed.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: That's out East of Elgin or that's out South of here.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: And I'm thinking, is it right or left? Am I
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: going straight or am I going behind me? Because when
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: I'm driving a certain direction, I can't tell. I'm not
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: looking up at the sun and telling you which direction
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: I'm going at any time, but because everything is so
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: straight lined across that state, there's, You know, 24, the
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: interstate in Middle Tennessee, goes southeast. And that drives people
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: from the Midwest crazy because it says 24 east, but
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: really it's southeast. There's nothing that's southeast in Nebraska. It
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: is straight north, true north, east, west, south. There's nothing
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: diagonally in that state. So everything that they're looking at,
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: they could be sitting in a room and telling you
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: which way. they're facing. I'm facing the north wall of
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: this house at any given time. It's crazy their sense
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: of direction compared, I think, to a lot of southerners.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, it did take me a while to
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: realize that the even numbers on interstates are east, west,
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: and odd are north, south. Yeah.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: But that's natural. That's one that until someone tells you,
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: it's like, oh, yeah, now that makes sense. But I
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: don't think that's uncommon.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: You mentioned the grid. You can see the grids of
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: all the interstates on a map. You get it. But
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: the highways, too, the numbers that those end in and
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: if it's going to connect or not connect back to
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: the main interstate is interesting. However they laid this out,
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: they knew the percentage perfectly. They knew what the percent was.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: That's for sure.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: Brooke says, growing up in the South, there are words
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: that were mispronounced so badly, and I don't regularly see
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: them spelled. I found out like two years ago that
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: it was window sill, S-I-L-L, not window seal, between the
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: two words. We've talked about pronunciations of like light E's
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: and everything with people from the South, and people get
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: on to me. They've gotten on to you about certain
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: words and how you pronounce it. I've always talked about
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: pen pen. Pen is pen. I can't do the P-I-N.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: There's no difference between saying P-I-N and P-E-N. And when
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: people overpronounce pen, I think it sounds like pan, P-A-N.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: So my pen, P-I-N, is the same as my pen, P-E-N.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: And that drives people that aren't from the South, I think, crazy.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Here's one for you. I live next door to like
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: a gas station convenience store really close to my house.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: I would pass every single day. And on the store,
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: Cook's Market, Cook's Star Market, underneath it, it would have,
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: you know, cold drinks, food, gas, fishing, S-U-P-P-L-I-E-S. I think
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: I was 17 years old when I realized what that
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: word said. My whole life, I just looked at it
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: and my mind said supplies.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: Supplies? Supplies.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, what are fishing suplees? Is this something
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: like bait that I don't know? Is this live bait
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: that they have? Is this type of fish that they use?
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, I thought that my entire life. Gas station
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: next to me. And one day it clicked probably as
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: I was going into high school. Oh, that says supplies.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: Fishing supplies, that makes a lot more sense than suplees.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: But that is the word that always goes to my mind.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: What is that? I did not go Orlovsky and ask
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: someone even when I was a kid, hey, what is
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: that word that's on the sign there? I just looked
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: at it and thought it was suplees my whole life
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: and then realized, oh, dummy, it's supplies.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: I do that with songs. I think an artist is
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: singing one word when it's been another word the entire time.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: And then you hear it, you're like, oh, it is
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: that word. But in your mind, you hear a different
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: word your entire life. I've done that with all kinds
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: of artists. Jacob says he thought it was wash instead
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: of wash for the longest time just growing up here.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: That's the Kentucky in me. Well, in Nebraska, it's warsh.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: That's a big thing. In the Midwest with certain states, too,
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: they'll say it the exact same way.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: Well, it's areas of town here, areas of the state.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: It's not Shelbyville Shovel. Like digging a ditch with a shovel.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's not Santa Fe. It's Santa Fe.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: Santa Fe.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: There's a ton of them. Lebanon. I always say it,
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: Mount Juliet. It is not Mount Juliet. I go to
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: a workout class every day, and the lady that's not
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: from here who leads the class sometimes is like, all right,
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: welcome to such and such Mount Juliet. And every time
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: I want to correct her and say, honey, if you're
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: going to live here, understand that it's Mount Juliet. This
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: is not a Shakespeare play. It's not Romeo and Juliet.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: It is Mount Juliet. If you're here. But yeah, those
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: pronunciations are common.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: It's how you determine whether or not the meteorologist is
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: from the area or from outside the area when they're
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: new on one of those stations.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: No doubt. And Brooke said, you know, his wife is
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: from New Jersey, so he's been crushed on pronunciations his
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: entire relationship with her. I'm the same way. People from
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: those states, too, they say things crazy also.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: No matter where you're from, you're saying something that makes
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: no sense. PK for years would not pronounce his H's.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: It still does.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: He says it's more efficient to say Houston than Houston,
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: but it's the exact same amount of time it takes
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: to say both. Houston, Houston. Can't say an H. Crazy pronunciations.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: In Nebraska, everyone says cafe and not cafe.
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: Really?
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're going to the cafe. It took me a while.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: Where are you going, did you say? I'm going to
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: the cafe.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: Do you say envelope or envelope?
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: I say envelope.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: Me too. A lot of people say envelope. There's plenty
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: of those as well. You say pecan or pecan? Pecan.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: I say pecan too. I think most people say pecan.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: I've got a lot of half and half. There's some
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: words I say very southern, and then other ones I
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: would say the way most of the country says it.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: Route or route?
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Route.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: Route. Yeah, I do that too because of Sonic. Route
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: 40 or Route 60, whatever it is, the 44, 66,
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: whatever they have.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: I do it probably because of football. Like I think
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: of passing routes, you know, running a route. So that's
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: where my mind goes first. So I'll pronounce it route
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: for that reason.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: Crazy. But we know Percept.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Well, it's funny though, when you say that, I do
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: say Route 66.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: Route 66.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: Because that's like in the song and that's the Sonic trick.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: No one says give me a Route 66 route. you know,
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: coconut water or whatever they have there. Oh, ocean water.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: That was my word back in the day in high
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: school was the ocean water, that blue coconut drink. Yeah,
• 35:24
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• 36:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, JT sent us this, and it was a score
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: that was not very good between two club football teams.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: I think it's Ohio State, and I'm guessing this is
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: flag football in Wright State with a 105-0 win. It
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: was 98-0 at halftime. At halftime? Yeah, flag football, I'm
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: guessing this is what this is or whatever it is.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: It's a little bit different, but is there a threshold
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: of we get the point, just stop the game? Look,
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: there are two schools of thought here. One is don't
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: be a quitter. Don't ever quit. Don't ever give up.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: You look like more of a wuss if you decide
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: enough is enough and this game should not be played
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: anymore because of the score being so lopsided or one
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: team being so much better.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: Than the other one.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: The other one is, what good are we doing here
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: if the score is that lopsided? Now, I think we're
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: talking about two college club teams in this thing, but
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: let's use high school examples because every week you're going
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: to find plenty of examples of teams winning 70-something to nothing,
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: 80-something to nothing, in the 60s to nothing. That old
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: adage of we get the point at some point of
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: these games. I've got a couple of examples. This season,
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: my daughter's small private school, Donaldson Christian Academy. They play
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: other small private schools. There are games where those other,
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: not DCA, but where the other teams don't have enough
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: players to play. Clarksville Academy is one school that rolled
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: in with, I think, 17 players total. I counted, I think,
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: five or six players on the sidelines. when they were
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: on the field. The game started with DCA returning the
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: kickoff for a touchdown. And I've never seen anyone kill
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: clock on a kickoff return, but they were able to
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: jog the last 50 yards and slow down and almost
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: like run patterns to kill clock as they ran in
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: the opening kickoff for a touchdown. It was like 42-0
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: at halftime. The other school asked to run the clock
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: as the game started to start the game at eight-minute quarters.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: and a running clock before the game even started, knowing
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: how bad it was going to be. That's against TWSAA rules.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: But at halftime of these games, you can set a
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: new clock. 35-0 is a running clock. We've had that
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: in our games this year sometimes. But 35-0, they're going
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: to roll the clock regardless. And just like in college,
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: I think Oregon did this earlier in the year where
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: a team elected to have a 10-minute or 12-minute or
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: whatever it was, third and fourth quarter of the game.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: You can agree with the other coach if both sides
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: agree to change the clock in the second half. You
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: can't start a game with a change clock in the
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: first half but I don't know I just I watch
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: situations like that especially in high school football and I
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: think to myself boy I feel bad for everybody over
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: there just this whole experience I feel bad for the
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: parents in the stands I feel bad for the kids
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: on the field. I feel bad for that one coach
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: who's trying to coach the whole football team and do
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: everything on the sideline. It seems like a miserable experience.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: It does. I also think it would be miserable if.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: By the way, it was 99-0.5 is what that scoreboard said.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: They ended up... They did take the knee because the
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: final score was like 106-0 or something. If you're scoring
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: that many by the half... That's where the running clock
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: and that was already started. Then you've got that second
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: half where you can take the, the other coach can
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: take the timing off the clock. It would be even
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: more insulting to me, Chad, if someone breaks away for
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: a touchdown and they just take the knee on like
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: the 20 instead of scoring. And they do that for
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: the rest of the game. That would be even more
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: insulting to me, knowing that it could be 105. They
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: can name their score and we still can't stop them.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: Sometimes the team just can't stop them. That's the other
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: part of it, is the backups in the third string
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: still get it done against their team. It is rubbing
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: it in, but there are ways to do it without
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: rubbing it in. They're not going for the bundle, right?
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: They're not trying to go up top and go over
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: the top of the defense and really a one-play, two-play drive,
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: 58 yards and another score. Sometimes the other team just
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: has to stop. They have to make a tackle, even
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: if it is right up the middle. You know, 316
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: buck was our play. If we're just going to run
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: right between the tackles and just go straight ahead, full bore.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: 316 buck. We ran it a lot. Not because we
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: were up, but because we were a wing T. But
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: that would be the play that I would run if
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: I'm up big and just run it right to the
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: heart of the defense and make them tackle us.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a humane way to mercy kill. another team
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: by just running it, taking the play clock all the
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: way down each and every snap, and not make it
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: even worse. Yeah, absolutely there are things you can do
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: to prevent something like that from happening. Maybe there's a
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: lot of bad blood between Ohio State and Wright State's
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: flag football club teams, and they were paying them back
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: for something in the past or something that was said online.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know. But there are plenty of ways that
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: you can do it humanely. JT is the father of
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: a travel softball player now. JT, have you ever run
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: across a situation where your team's had to step off
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: bases or someone else has stepped off a base to
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: get it out automatically for you because the game is
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: so bad?
• 42:05
  Speaker 6: 17 to 4, or maybe 3, Saturday in the White House.
• 42:11
  Speaker 6: And we were on the bottom end of that. And
• 42:14
  Speaker 6: the runner at third left early on purpose because the
• 42:18
  Speaker 6: coach told him to get the third out.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That's a fine line.
• 42:22
  Speaker 6: I mean, these kids are, you know, at that age,
• 42:24
  Speaker 6: you know, 10, 12, 9, these kids are trying to
• 42:27
  Speaker 6: learn how to play the game. If you're in college
• 42:31
  Speaker 6: or high school, maybe it's a different story.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, we see it.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: There's just a fine line. But I think 105 to nothing,
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: it's kind of pushing that. Is 17-4, is that considered
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: the mercy rule deal in travel softball? It's travel, too,
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: by the way.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: No.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: I'm doing it.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: There is no mercy rule in travel. You can beat
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: anybody as much as you can in that time limit.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: So it's all timed. So you only have so much
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: time to play. So it's either usually like 55 minutes
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: or an hour and 10 minutes, and it's either drop dead,
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: where in a warm-up game, if the clock ends, it's over.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: So you always, if you win the toss, you want
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: to hit first because you might get more at-bats than
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: the other team, obviously. And then if you're in the bracket,
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: you want to hit last. You want to be the
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: home team because it's finish the inning. So you want
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: to have last licks at that point. But this is
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: more about if you're up. My daughter picked up with
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: a really good team on Sunday in Cookville, and they're
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: up like 11-0 in the first inning. Now, they eventually
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: got out of it on their own. But when you
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: get to 9, 10, 11, 12 runs in the first inning,
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: you've played 30, 40 minutes already. You want to give
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: the other team a chance to bat. So especially if
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: it's the top of the first, you might tell the umpire, hey,
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: she's going to leave the base early on a steal.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: So that's what I mean by leaving the base early
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: is runners out, and then you just– you don't make
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: a big scene of it. Everybody just runs their dugout.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: It's like, okay, the inning's over miraculously because they left
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: the base early. That's what you call to help. That's
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: like your cross-buck play to run the clock. That's what
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: you do to help out the other team. I remember
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: the first 10U tournament I coached, and that's in kid pitch.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: that I knew people would step off the base. But
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: I asked the umpire, because we were up 7-0 or
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: something in the first inning of the second game we
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: ever played. And I said, hey, when would I step
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: off the base? And the guy's like, what's the score?
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know. And I'm like, it's 6-7-0. He's like,
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: not yet. I mean, he's like, I'd wait until at
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: least 10 or at least until you bat through, you know,
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: a time and a half, right? Like if you get
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: back to your fourth batter and all the way through
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: your lineup one time, then yeah, go ahead and consider
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: stepping off the base at some point, but not until then.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: JT, I would also say, as a parent, if I'm watching,
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: and I think Chad would agree, if you're down big,
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: as the opponent, I would like to take the foot
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: off the gas a bit and allow my team to
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: improve by trying to hit the ball, trying to work
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: on fundamentals. That way, you improve while also taking the
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: big L, even though the game's over. Take advantage of
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: the time left. I think that would be also a
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: way to take advantage of some things.
• 45:08
  Speaker 6: 17-3 doesn't benefit anybody except the kid's ego that's got
• 45:12
  Speaker 6: 17 runs.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: It's not good.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: As Chad said, you let the other kids bat and
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: get some reps.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: That's what they're there for.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: It's a confidence boost. All it is is, oh, I'm
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: glad that team feels good about themselves after that game
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: because they really hit the ball well and they got
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: some confidence. JT, you'll see more and more of this too.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: You'll see teams take bunting practice on you. They know
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: they've got a huge advantage. We're playing some older teams
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: and You know, we're playing some girls who look like
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: they drove to the park each week. And my daughter's
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: 87 pounds, you know, and pitching and is 11 years
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: old against some of them. And they'll start the game
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: where they'll all bat left and slap. Like you'll face
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: like seven straight slap bunts where they're working on slapping
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: or they're working on bunting to get on base or
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: they'll get a lead and they'll start trying to bunt
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: every single time, which depending on the team, if they're
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: good at it, they're still going to get on base
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: doing that also. But there's a lot of ways. And
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: I've coached in games where I'm like, yeah, I'm going
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: to call a bunt over and over because I want
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: to work on it when you get a good enough
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: lead on something. So there are ways to work on
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: things without demeaning the opponent. There is a fine balance, though,
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: of doing that without patronizing your opponent and the other
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: coach and the other team.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: What age group do you guys think is the right
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: age group to stop doing it? That would be my
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: other thing is like, If we're doing something in college,
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: I don't know if we need– I'm saying anything. I
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: don't know if we need the mercy rule, quote, unquote.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: I mean college. Yeah. You know, like in college, if
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: you want to pound some team in college softball, you
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: do it all day and just get through the minimum
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: innings to have the mercy rule called because there is
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: a mercy rule in those games also. You know, high
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: school even, I've seen high school softball or baseball games
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: where one team is just clearly outmatched, and what you
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: do is you pitch your fifth pitcher. You may start
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: your ace, and then after one inning, you're up 9-0
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: and say, all right, we're going to get somebody else
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: some work, and you get them in there to pitch
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: the game. That's another way to do it.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: It's also easier based on sport. In basketball, four-corner stall.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: You just run the clock. Far easier to do it
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: in basketball compared to other sports. Football, more difficult, especially
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: if you're just going to hand off and you've got
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: the guy running. A third-string running back is– going to score.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: It's going to be his, his, his one touchdown of
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: the season. Probably JT.
• 47:34
  Speaker 6: Yeah. So there's a good question there because MTSU hosted
• 47:38
  Speaker 6: Tennessee and saw Paul a couple of weekends ago and
• 47:41
  Speaker 6: we went, my, my now 10 year old asked the question,
• 47:46
  Speaker 6: why do they beat them 24 to one? I mean,
• 47:50
  Speaker 6: now you're looking at some, some kids that have to
• 47:52
  Speaker 6: watch two teams that they respect and it's a 23
• 47:56
  Speaker 6: run game. So I said, that's softball, Cal.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: Was that Tennessee winning 24-1? Yes, sir.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: At MTSU.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: Well, I knew a girl that's a freshman there who's
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: from Mount Juliet who I think played in that game.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: She's not going to play much this season, I don't think,
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: as a true freshman. She played a lot in that
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: game and I think hit a home run, in fact. So, yeah,
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, Catfish Jake is a great example. He said,
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: I worked out-of-bound lines at my daughter's high school volleyball games.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: I would purposefully make the wrong call on a ball
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: in or out in a blowout. And he said, I
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: would take the point away from my daughter specifically. So
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: if his team was killing the other team so bad,
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: he would give them a call here or there. JT,
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: I know you've seen this. This happened Sunday, too, where
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: my daughter got called out at second on a force
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: play where, I mean, she slid in two seconds early.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: And the umpire, that's what got them out of the inning.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: It was 11-0 in the first, and the umpire's coming in, whoop,
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: got her right there. I'm like, that's a mercy killing.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: And I had no problem with it. The umpire at
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: that point is like, we want to let them hit.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: So that's the umpire showing some mercy to the other
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: team and just calling a crazy call to get out
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: of the inning because the team that my daughter was
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: on was not going to step off a base. So
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: that's the way they stepped off a base for the
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: other team and called it wild.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: JT, if you want to teach your daughter, just have
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: her watch some NBA games now, if you want to
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: see some blowouts. Why do they beat the 100 to 50?
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: You'll get that easily.
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that would look like a fun event, too, that
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: you went to for that.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: It's packed, right?
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: It's a parking garage, right? Oh, yeah.
• 49:32
  Speaker 6: NTSU, yeah, they had no– I mean, probably the biggest
• 49:34
  Speaker 6: crowd they've ever had there, ever.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: Had to be.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: It was– yeah, we literally watched the game.
• 49:39
  Speaker 6: We got there an hour and a half early and
• 49:42
  Speaker 6: could not get– had no seats. So, shout-out MTSU for
• 49:46
  Speaker 6: having a big crowd. Shout-out for everybody that supports the
• 49:49
  Speaker 6: Lady Vols that were there as well.
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, plenty of them, I'm sure. That was great. I
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: hope they play every year.
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: And it's fall ball. Like, it's crazy to see the crowds.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: I know Tennessee baseball has kind of barnstormed. I think
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: First Tennessee Park, they played in Jackson– In the minor
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: league park there, they go across the state and play
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: some fall ball games, and a lot of people go.
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: It's awesome.
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: In all these places for fall baseball. Brooks says, I
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: will call out the coaching staff on air if I
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: feel like the other team is running up the score.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: Called a game last week where the team was up
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: four touchdowns in the fourth quarter and still had the
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: first team in passing. I've been known to do that, too.
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: We've had a game where I've questioned– why a coach is,
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: you know, taking a shot late in the game. In fact,
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: I did it at my daughter's school. The guy, the
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: offensive coordinator, didn't like it too much and looked over
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: at me and kind of rolled his eyes. And I'm thinking,
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: you're up 21 points with four minutes left. We're going
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: play action, throwing it deep, you know, out of your
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: own end zone. I don't know the purpose of any
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: of that. And if the thing is I'm going to
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: get some work in, well, then make sure all your
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: backups are in. As Brooke said, if you've got your
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: first team in doing that, if you've got a freshman
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: quarterback in college even, I do like it when the
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: coaches let them run the offense a little bit.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: You have to.
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: You get in with nine minutes left in a game,
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: you're up 42. What's the difference between 42 and 49?
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: I let the third string run the offense. You don't
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: have to just hand it off to that. As long
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: as the backups are in the game, you're likely playing
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: against other backups at that point also. I've got no
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: issue with that, but If you keep your first team
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: in and you're killing somebody and you're throwing deep, yeah,
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: that's a low-class move.
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: And with the backups, the team that's getting blown out,
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: they're going to get better work because it's a more
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: same-caliber type player closer to it than the five stars
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: that are going against, in college, going against the guys
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: that are playing at UTC or MTSU. I think that's
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: a mercy way to do it, but also good for
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: both teams in a way. Coming up, primary complaint. Chad
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: and I were told something about primary complaint that we're
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: bringing back. And it was a compliment to JT as well.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: We'll tell JT on the other side here on Hutton
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: and Withrow.