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Will China’s Mass Protests COLLAPSE the CCP? -- Jeff Nyquist interview · Man in America Podcast

• 0:00
  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Man in America. I'm your host, Seth Holehouse. So if you watch my broadcast on Saturday night, you can see, and you're probably seeing all over social media as well, that there is something very, very, very significant happening in China right now. The Chinese people are finally standing up in massive, massive crowns against the CCP and against communism, because they've had enough. And they have nothing left to live for.
• 0:31
  And so when a large group of people no longer fear death, the government better better look out. And so joining me today is gonna be Jeff Nyquist, who I'm sure you're familiar with if you watch and listen to my program, someone who's really has his eye and his finger on the pulse with what's happening in China. And so we're talking about really where the protests are right now, how big they're getting, but more importantly, what this means for the CCP. What options does the CCP have to quell the protests across China? Because there's only a few options they might have, and it looks like almost any way they go, it could spell the end of the CCP, which would be very, very significant.
• 1:10
  So we're gonna be digging into all this and more on today's show. I wanna remind folks that are watching that if you can, please share this show with your friends and family. I'm gonna show you some videos of the massive protests that are happening in China. And one of the most important things that we can do right now is to get this information out to more people so more people see this is what's happening in China. Because I can tell you, if the CCP rolls out with their tanks and they start shooting the protesters like what we saw in Tiananmen Square, we have to get the whole world to look at what's happening and see what's happening in China.
• 1:45
  So whether it's this video or other videos you're coming across, we have to let our fellow Americans and fellow patriots around the world know the truth about what's happening in China. Because I can tell you, the CCP is a scourge on humanity, and they have their tentacles in every aspect of our lives. And if they fall, we will see a lot of the evil in our world fall with them. So we have to do everything possible to help to eliminate the CCP. Before we get started, folks, a few quick messages.
• 2:14
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• 2:40
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  And he's someone that I trust. You need to have someone that you can trust when it comes to protecting your financial future. So again, (720) 605-3900 or goldwithseth.com. Alright, folks, let's go ahead and jump right into this interview with Jeff Nyquist. So, Jeff, it's so great to have you back on again.
• 5:13
  And I think that whenever I see big news coming out of China, I'm always thinking, I gotta figure out what Jeff's sources are saying and what your thoughts on the situation are. Because right now, I think that what we're seeing unfold, and we have some videos for the audience, is very significant with what's happening in China. So anyway, it's it's just so good to have you back here again. Thanks for having me. Absolutely.
• 5:36
  So by now, the audience, I think that they're already relatively caught up with the fact that there are massive protests unfolding across the CCP or, sorry, across China against the CCP, calling out the CCP, which is very unusual. And so to set the stage for our conversation, I'm just gonna show a handful of videos of protests happening in various parts of China. For the folks that are watching and if you're listening, I apologize. These are videos of large crowds. If there's no translation, it's hard to describe.
• 6:06
  But for the people that are watching and seeing the scale of these crowds, just consider that this isn't Hong Kong. It's not Brazil. It's not France. This is China. This is the place where if someone comes out publicly and speaks against the CCP, they disappear.
• 6:22
  And so there's a great fear of the government, you know, typically. And so just keep that in mind that what it means that crowds of this size are coming up protesting. So I'll start with one here. You can see that the protesters there there that was in Wuhan. They're just walking right over the police barriers.
• 6:59
  There's no respect for that. Here's another video, and this is this is really telling to what happens in China when people speak out, especially if the Chinese police can separate them from a crowd. This next video, which I find very chilling, is a man holding a I think it's a bouquet of flowers, and he's speaking to the protesters and telling them I saw some translations saying, look, he's saying for them to have courage to stand up. But just watch how this next scene unfolds. I mean, just incredible.
• 8:02
  Here's another one. This is another massive crowd. I know that in these protests, a lot of them are shouting things like down with the CCP, down with Xi Jinping, and here's one more I mean, last time that we saw crowds this large protesting in China was Tiananmen Square. And we all know what happened there. So, Jeff, what do you make of this?
• 8:58
  Because we're seeing the videos I showed, There are dozens, if not hundreds of protests of this scale all across China right now.
• 9:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is different than Tiananmen Square. It's more dramatic. Because Tiananmen Square was located to Tiananmen Square, didn't spread throughout the whole country. This is spread throughout the whole country now. And it's become intense within the last five days.
• 9:24
  They've had protests. They've had things like this locally here and there. But to have it spread from Western China basically to the whole country suggests that we are watching a crowd psychology hysteria, an infectious thought. And that thought is the people are incensed at the government's lies, at the stupid Covid lockdown policies is what they're saying, that the CCP has now mismanaged the country and its economy so much so that they don't want it anymore. And they're saying so and they want Xi Jinping to step down.
• 10:03
  And they're saying so unthinkable. These are crimes in China. And one of the things is that all of the slogans that you could hold up in a sign are illegal in China. So, people are holding up blank signs to signify all the things they want to say. Then the government has made holding up a blank piece of paper illegal, right?
• 10:25
  Speaker 1: It's One lady Side point.
• 10:27
  Speaker 2: One lady had a blank piece of paper, and then she had on the other side, everyone should go home and stop protesting. And then when the police came, she turned that one around.
• 10:35
  Speaker 1: It's it's just incredible. Actually, my wife, who's Australian, she actually was arrested in Tiananmen Square back in I think it was around 02/2001 for holding up a sign that said compassion, I think, on a in Tiananmen Square. And so, you know, because she was there protesting human rights abuses in China, and so she saw the inside of a Chinese prison at one point because she was there. Like, that's how strict it is. Yet here, you're seeing it in massive scale.
• 11:04
  And so, like, what do you what do you make of this? Like, what is this? Because this is very significant.
• 11:12
  Speaker 2: It's significant because we have not seen the this vocal public demand to change the form of government in China. It's coming from the Chinese people. And it's very interesting because when we look at the French Revolution, which was a huge earthquake in human history, it happened at a period when the French government was facing bankruptcy, when the French government could not finance its debt anymore. And we have China is the most indebted country in the world. People don't.
• 11:45
  They think about The US debt, but the Chinese debt is horrific. And their financial situation and their real estate situation is horrific. So you have this financial calamity. You have a constriction. They're attempting to constrict consumption, and nobody knows, by the way, why these radical COVID lockdowns have been ongoing since April.
• 12:10
  They have locked people into their apartments. Have starved people. Some people, it's claimed, have starved to death being locked in their apartments. Oh, yes.
• 12:18
  Speaker 1: People are jumping out of their windows in apartment buildings.
• 12:21
  Speaker 2: Jumping out of their window. I mean, we've seen videos over the last several months. I mean, April is a long time ago now. I mean, now we're almost in December. So, you're talking about eight months, nine months, seven months plus of this going on.
• 12:40
  And there is some deep, deep economic trouble. We know also from the fifty seven minute tape from May 14 that Mr. Wang of Luda Media put out, they're trying to organize a war. That's part of what's going on here. They're talking about war with Taiwan.
• 12:57
  But you've got this war with Russia invading Ukraine, which was obviously done in collusion with China. China's supporting it. We know now China is sending war materials to Russia just like North Korea is. It just came out from Russia. You maybe papers saying that Russia was contemplating going to war with Japan.
• 13:22
  Before they switched and went to war with and Japan is right there in. So it's like, what was Russia and China going to start a war with Japan? But then the situation, the Russians said, well, we have to take care of Ukraine First. I mean, this raises and it's like you look at it and somebody was asking me, is this really credible? Well, yeah, it seems to be, but we can't say for sure.
• 13:47
  These governments in Russia and China, they have some kind of an aggressive agenda. And in pushing that agenda forward, and you know what? This virus came out of China, Pandemic. They know more about it than we do. They know whether it got out accidentally or on purpose.
• 14:04
  It's made in a lab. I mean, that's supposed to be controversial to say, but I think we pretty much, most of the experts know that this is really where it came from because the RNA sequence in this thing, the genetic sequence, is just too remote to have come about by nature.
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: I'll throw a out there is that a lot of people say, oh, well, you know, it started in America, which actually a lot of my research has shown the same thing with Ralph Barack and the, you know, I think it was University of Chapel Hill, North Carolina, I believe it was. And I think that also an important thing to to state is that a lot of people that are acting within our own government are assets for the CCP.
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: Right. Like, if
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: you look in the ties between Fauci and the CCP, between Biden and the CCP. And so it's and I think that that's part of the way of demonizing the West where they've especially out of China, they've built this narrative that, well, the West is evil. Right? Well, it's actually no. It's the people they control in the West that are evil.
• 15:04
  Right? And so back to your point, I just wanted to throw that out.
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: Well, a great example is Klaus Schwab's recent statement that China is the model. Right? China's COVID policy is the model for the rest of the world. And of course, I've talked to Mr. Wang and Doctor.
• 15:25
  Li Meng Yan, and I said, What is going on with this Covid lockdown? And of course, she knows about the virus. She's publicly stated that it was a weapon designed in a lab. And she said they're trying to control the population, and they are eliminating opposition. People are being In this process of lockdowns, they're getting rid of people.
• 15:48
  And we don't really know. I mean, you've got everything in the gamut from saying the Chinese know something more about this virus that long term is more dangerous maybe to the heart, to other body organs, and they don't want their people getting it. Or it's just this excuse to have absolute control over a population that they know their economy is collapsing, that they're getting ready for war. One of the things Mr. Wink told me was that they're moving strategic missiles around the country and they've actually closed down whole highways because you saw those Chinese people in your video holding up their phones and taking pictures.
• 16:31
  Every one of these phones, these devices we have can record things. You saw before the Russian invasion, all these Russians sent, put online pictures of trains moving west, filled with tanks and self propelled guns and armored personnel carriers. Chinese didn't want that. They didn't want those pictures taken of strategic rockets, mobile nuclear rockets moving along their highways. They just closed the highways completely.
• 17:02
  And they locked people down. And you probably saw the banners in the streets were saying, there are Western spies everywhere. Keep your mouth shut. Don't talk about the pandemic. Don't talk about you know, I mean, what's going on?
• 17:20
  And You do
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: you think that because it it seems irrational. That's the thing is that and I think that a lot of these orders from the research I've done and the people I've I've talked to that these these orders, these lockdowns are coming straight from Xi Jinping. Yes. And every level and this is, you know, communism. Right?
• 17:38
  This is the same reason why they're lying about grain production, which caused massive starvations, whether it's Ukraine or in China. It's always about pleasing the person, you know, that was your senior as it goes up until everyone's trying to please Xi Jinping. And so, you know, and this is why it's it's great to have this discussion because we've talked a lot about China's final war. We've talked a lot about the underlying plans, the hundred year march, hundred year marathon to eventually overtake America. And so if you look into how this fits in, I mean, do you think that part of it is that for Xi Jinping, that he has to have a true police state level of control in China before he can take more drastic actions and really move into a proper war mode?
• 18:24
  I mean, I know that even in the leaked information that Luda Media brought, know, introduced to the the overall discussion, they talked about knowing that that there would be uprising, and that they would have to efficiently kind of quell the uprising as they move forward. And so and part of it and this makes me think, does does Xi Jinping want this? Like, do they want an excuse to turn China into a true police state? Because it's not. You know, there's undercover policemen.
• 18:56
  There's planes closed, you know, the the military. You know, but it's not a police state from the perspective that people can still go about their lives for the most part. But this kind of uprising would then give them the excuse to have armed guards on every street corner to turn the entire country into a prison a lot more than it is. What are the thoughts?
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: Look. Nazi Germany was a police state. Soviet Russia was a police state. Communist China now is a police state. Now, police state doesn't mean that you have policemen on every corner or- True.
• 19:35
  Hannah Arendt gave the definition of a totalitarian state in her volumes on totalitarianism. And it is when the state controls every aspect of life, has the ultimate say, And you've got, of course, the fascist national socialist way is the government lets you have a certain you have a leash and the government will let you have a certain length on that leash, and so it's regulated. In The Soviet Union, for example, was just much more under Stalinism, supposedly much more rigid. But what we find out when we examine Stalinist Russia or China under Mao is that the system is best characterized as certain people are allowed to break the rules because you couldn't survive if you followed the rules. That would be the command economy under Stalin.
• 20:34
  That's why the communist states developed this underworld. They develop a black market economy, and they develop it because it's a matter of survival. And for example, Kotkin, I just love his work and I can't wait till his book comes out, his third volume on his Stalin biography. He's a great scholar. And one of the things he discovered, and I've suspected this a long time, is his next volume is about World War II.
• 21:06
  And he says, Look, the Soviet economy collapsed when World War II began. Why? Because they were following this command economy, but they really weren't. They were breaking the rules and this underground economy had already formed that was carrying them along. And what happened when the war began is that they said, Okay, we're not allowed.
• 21:28
  We're going to shoot anybody that breaks the rules. They tightened up the rules. Everybody said, Okay, we're going to start to obey the rules. And that collapsed their economy. They literally collapsed it.
• 21:39
  Now, let's go to China. A lot of people don't. This is complicated. I don't fully understand it. But think about the great leap forward and how from 1949, '50 thousand Soviet KGB, GRU, and party officials went to China to train the Chinese Communist Party how to make a Soviet China, how to control everything, same way they did in the Soviet Union.
• 22:06
  And they imposed that on China. And of course, it's always dreadful, this movement of China into that Soviet system. And so, they had the great leap forward and they thought, Well, we're just going to arrest all the saboteurs and all the people. That didn't work. So Mao thought, How is this going to work?
• 22:27
  So he did the Cultural Revolution in the '60s. Well, a funny thing happened in the Cultural Revolution. A lot of those Soviet structures that had been set up in the '50s in China were swept away actually by the Cultural Revolution because they what did Mao do? He went against the party bureaucracy. To say, you know, idealism, we're going to we're going to do it because the people are going to get behind socialism and we're going to make it work.
• 22:56
  The bureaucrats are now in the way. Well, what happened is that got rid of the control mechanism that the Soviets had set up over Chinese agriculture. So, when the Cultural Revolution was done and Deng Xiaoping came in and even in the later Mao years, they were giving edicts to the countryside. You can't do this and you can't sell your grain. And the people would still sell it.
• 23:21
  And then they said, Well, you can't sell your grain on Mondays and Wednesdays. And that didn't work. So, the freedom that developed was the people in the countryside just ignoring the government and the government not having the mechanism. The Soviets weren't going to send another 50,000 to teach them to do it all over again. It just was they were past that.
• 23:43
  So, they went along with the freedom to buy and sell in agriculture. And that then evolved. So, the party basically fell back and said, all right. And Deng Xiaoping, who had been made a dishwasher or something by Mao, Deng Xiaoping was like the guy in the Chinese Communist Party who understood economics. He said, We have to do this.
• 24:09
  It works. Right? You had the same thing. Stalin did this in the twenties. It was called the NAP, where they allowed freedom, especially in the countryside, to buy and sell.
• 24:21
  That resulted in Stalin finally ended it with his collectivization of agriculture in 1929. He began the experiment in Siberia. First was the test case, then brought it in. And you had the Ukraine terror famine in the early thirties where maybe eleven million people died, depending on what numbers. Some people say seven to eleven million people died.
• 24:45
  And the Volga Basin, but largely in Ukraine was the breadbasket. Now in China, you had this thing where they said, well, look, they were building this relation with America to get technology to be built up. They had to deal with all this capital inflow. So they let all this go. They let all this happen in China and China.
• 25:06
  Just think 1,400,000,000 people will back then 1,000,000,000 people. Well, what happened is the party, without realizing it, was gradually giving way to the Chinese people all this time. This has been occurring and that the power of the Chinese, however big you look at the numbers of the peoples are policing, you go, wow, they're big. Now, compared to the number of people. They can't.
• 25:30
  So, now you're seeing the people in a way are discovering their voice. And you go back to Gustave Laban who wrote the book, The Crowd. And he said that an idea in a crowd, in a psychological crowd, because a crowd is a psychological formation. It's just not one group of people in one town square together. It can be the psychological crowd of a whole nation, like in France and the French Revolution.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: It's kinda like when you see the the large group of birds flying together. It forms one giant thing, but you can see how there's one that kind of goes this way and all the other birds kind of just moves and flows. Right?
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. Well, they've had research in this area. They've got research. There's some kind of almost like a mild telepathy. We know that bees are telepathic, bees and ants, the hive mind.
• 26:24
  Humans have some kind of mild form of that. We don't fully understand it. But people get linked together and it's not even fully conscious. This linkage, they're all upset together. They feel together.
• 26:42
  And it's not an intellectual response. It's an emotive response. And it what we're seeing here is this the being incensed about being lied to because you're not when you're being manipulated and lied to by a government official, it is actually dehumanizing. And this is what we see some of the statements in the crowds that they are reacting to this dehumanizing of them, the manipulation of them, and they're not going to have it. And once this feeling of being incensed and being outraged goes now, it's spreading.
• 27:22
  A contagion. It's spreading throughout China. And the social media, they're holding up their cameras. And like I was saying, they're all spreading it to each other through these. Right.
• 27:33
  And they can't contain it. Now that because to have a modern country, it has to be linked And you can't censor everything effectively enough when people are clever and they have a will to break through the censorship. So they have a problem. Now, this may or may not collapse the CCP now. But it's like an earthquake.
• 28:03
  It could be a prequake. Right? The big one Because right now, I'm seeing When you see this, their system is doomed. Maybe not now. Now, I give you the example.
• 28:16
  In 1905, Russia had this happen. At the end of the Russo Japanese War, people came out on the street and they protested. You may be seeing the film, The Battleship Potemkin, which is they served him rotten meat and they said it wasn't rotten and the sailors just rebelled. So that was during that nineteen oh five revolution. So that was happening all over Russia.
• 28:38
  People were sick of the mistreatment by their government. Now, that revolution was successfully quelled. The czar came out. He promised reforms. He says, I love my people.
• 28:50
  I don't want to hurt my people. And that worked in 1917. People in Russia were starving, the economy was collapsing and it did. There was nothing the czar could say. The people just and the key moment, and this is the moment to watch for here, is when the people's armed police or the army join the people.
• 29:14
  Yes. Turn their guns on the government. The minute you do that happens, it means a contagion is spread to the security forces. That happened in Hungary, by the way, in 1956, you had the people that went in to put down the initial mobs of people. Join them.
• 29:33
  Right. And the people that didn't were dragged out of their offices. KGB or Hungarian secret police beaten to death right there, just murdered, hung up, strung up. So this is a real catalyst event. And I noticed that I've seen the reports.
• 29:56
  The local police are just overwhelmed. Now, you showed that one video. They were taking that man away. Saw a video in which they went to there were 35 police officers showed up to arrest one guy who was talking like this fellow was at the intersection. And the crowd rescued him from the police.
• 30:16
  Now, you can imagine if the crowd if that crowd gets aggressive, 35 policemen are not going to be enough.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: No, no.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: And if they dare use their weapons, they're quickly overwhelmed and then murdered. Because if you start firing into a crowd that big and you enrage, it's like enraging a bear. Imagine a crowd has a lower level of psychology than a single individual intelligent human. It has a reaction of kind of like a wild animal. You can pacify it or you can enrage it.
• 30:46
  And like a bear, if it comes at you, you're done. It doesn't matter. Machine guns, nothing's going to stop it. Well, maybe enough firepower will. Napoleon famously marked the end of the French Revolution when Napoleon used cannons on one of these mobs and mowed them down with grapeshot, the whiff of grape.
• 31:09
  That brought an end because a general showed he had the will. He didn't care. He was going to mow down as many people as it took. The problem is in China, the security for the numbers of people are so huge. And their outrage is so great and in so many cities.
• 31:26
  And if that's if there is no Napoleon there who will mow the people down. And if they don't lose their nerve, if you have either a civil war or it just cascades and the CCP has to flee. And you have this unrest going on in Iran right now, actually, the same kind of unrest.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: In Brazil. Massive unrest in Brazil.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: In Brazil. Yeah. There's absolutely no doubt this phenomenon. And of course, we're in this global crisis. The pandemic weakened.
• 32:07
  Many of the countries, most of the countries in the world are weakened from that pandemic. And here, China is continuing to weaken itself on its own. Probably, this is the thing about dictatorship. When they have an economic crisis, they choose to make it worse because they want control. Because the way out of an economic crisis is to take your hands off of it for the government to say, We have to let the economy heal.
• 32:37
  People think in a depression, for example, that the deflation is the really horrible thing and you have to stop the deflation. You have to inflate your way out of it. That just makes it worse. The deflation is the healing process. So, you allow that to happen.
• 32:55
  And eighteen months later, everybody goes back to work. You start messing around with it like we did in the Great Depression, and you can extend that Great Depression for a decade. Is what social Look at in Germany right now, a good example. They just passed these crazy laws, tax on energy, right? Windfall tax on energy.
• 33:19
  That's punishing the energy companies, taking away their money when they need their profits to use to find a solution to that energy problem they have. So, they're just dooming themselves. It's just stupid. It's socialism. It's, Oh, well, they're profiteering, so we're going to punish No.
• 33:40
  Because when the price of energy goes way up, it's not profiteering. They take that money to solve the problem of the shortage. That's how we got to fracking. That's how we got to all of the solutions to the energy crisis a few years ago that the environmentalists now want to shut down. So, you're saying that making gasoline is evil and we're punishing you by taxing it.
• 34:05
  It's like taxing the sin tax, remember, on cigarettes and liquor. You're going to make energy a sin tax. You're just going to collapse your own economy. You're to destroy the people that create the magic that makes us prosperous. But that's the way socialism works.
• 34:23
  And in China and Russia, where they really have the administrative socialist system, which is basically just administrative tyranny, where it's really in power, They always make these horrible choices that end up and so then they have to use force on their own people.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: And do you think like, when looking at this and I asked the same question to Alan in my recent interview, which was it was interesting to hear his response. But, I mean, it seems like looking at the Crown psychology, you know, these these are people that have been locked in their homes, you know, for the better part of a couple of years. Right? You know, the the level of lockdowns has been extreme. And when they weren't locked down, they're doing mandatory testing.
• 35:06
  They're they they have their their COVID pass on their phones. I mean, their freedoms have really been stripped away in an extreme way. It's almost like kind of what you're talking about earlier when they they let the West in, the communist, they let the West, and they got a lot of money coming, and it felt like it became much more free society for most Chinese. They became wealthy. They had a booming economy for a lot of different reasons.
• 35:27
  But then it's almost like the true nature of communism is now showing itself, and they're retracting. And I've heard different people discussing how that was part of the plan anyway, was they knew they'd have to open up to the West for some period of time. Maybe you and have talked about before. Yeah. Eventually, they had to kind of contract and go back to their communist way.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, there's a cycle in communist systems where they tighten it up and they get control and they eliminate the people they want to eliminate. And they do their bad things like invading neighbors and so on and expanding and building a lot of weapons and making their people pay this awful price. And then when their people have had enough, they usually, all right, now we're going to let them have some breathing space and we're going to have an NEP or we're going to have a Gorbachev reforms or peaceful coexistence or a detente or whatever. And we're going to loosen things up.
• 36:23
  The people in the West and people say, well, maybe it's not really a totalitarian state anymore. But then it contracts again. And like we're seeing it in Russia now, the contraction. The problem is because these regimes, if they don't contract, they will lose control.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: But if they contract, they can lose control.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that's the danger. And this is the illusion of power. They let the country evolve to this is Hannah Arendt made this statement. The totalitarian state, if it is allowed to become too normal, and this is what happened with the Jing Xiaoping in this last forty years in China, the country became more normal in an everyday sense with this totalitarian structure over it, kind of watching over it, trying to exploit the process to build up its power and its weapons for that day when they would say, All right, now you're all going to goose step in this direction and we're going to take over Taiwan or the world or destroy America. You know what their agenda is.
• 37:28
  But the problem here is that they let this go on like in Russia. They let this go on too long. This allowed people to have a kind of a normal life too long. And although people always knew that they were threatened by the police, I mean, the Lao guy has been a reality. They steal people's organs.
• 37:48
  They persecute Falun Gong and Christians and the Uighur genocide and everything. So, it is a totalitarian state. They can't control 1,400,000,000 people. This digital control system that they're trying to create, this straight jacket for more than a billion people, it is now proving itself a failure. Interesting.
• 38:15
  Interesting. That's what we're seeing. Think about how dangerous it is, a social experiment, a live fire social experiment with 1,400,000,000 people or 1.3, depending on how many they really have now. You are playing a kind of Russian roulette in a way because you don't know going to when you go and pull that trigger, whether it's going to hurt you and backfire or not. And it is apparently backfiring.
• 38:45
  And one other comment I have made before is if you study Mao Ding Xiaoping, the elder leaders of the party, these guys I mean, if you pick up a volume of Mao, he was brilliant. He was a maniac. He was a psychopath, but he was brilliant. And he was a brilliant strategist. And he knew what he could get away with.
• 39:12
  He had that infallible sense of doing. The Deng Xiaoping had that too. Xi Jinping does not appear to have that. Xi Jinping is not as well educated. You open his volume, his book.
• 39:27
  He's trying to imitate Mao by having his little book. There is nothing memorable in that book. There is no insight. It is the book of a mediocre mind following in the footsteps of people who were, though they were evil, they had great intellectual capability. That's why they succeeded.
• 39:48
  Same thing with Putin versus Stalin and the Soviet leaders. Mean, Suzlav was brilliant. Andropov was brilliant. Stalin was brilliant. Lenin was brilliant.
• 39:57
  Evil, but brilliant. Putin? Mediocrity. Right. So now the epigome, the follower, the person who carries forward is now a non entity.
• 40:12
  He is just a blowhard. He's a nobody. He does not have the intellectual juice to make that system go forward. So now he's got they've gotten themselves into trouble, both in Beijing and in Moscow. It's very interesting to see.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: Do you think that you you mentioned before about the collapse of the CCP and how this if if this isn't like the death blow earthquake, it could be one of the tremors. It could be one of the, you know, the the prequakes that leads to that. So do you think that I mean, looking at where this is going, there's really only a few directions it could go. Right? One is that the protesters grow weary and tired, and it's kind of they stop coming out.
• 40:56
  But after so long of being under this rule, it's like, they'd probably rather be dead than go back to a life locked in an apartment, starving, you know, losing all their freedoms. Like they've got nothing to lose, which is a very scary place for someone to be. Because they don't fear death, I think. Or a lot of them don't. And so it could be that they, they back down.
• 41:16
  I don't see that happening. I see what you're saying is that the contagion will keep building, because now it's not just about COVID. I think what this is is also they're realizing the cage they've been living under, even those that weren't under it before have realized the true nature of the communist cage, and they're all rejecting it. And so if this keeps building, the CCP really only has one option, which is to Tiananmen Square massacre them. I mean, basically, to bring out the military, to bring out guns, and to destroy the protest.
• 41:56
  I mean, there's there's really no other option for them. But if they do that, then I mean, if if, you know, especially nowadays, you know, Tim and Square, it was you know, the woman had to hide the pictures in in the back of the toilet to get the information out of China. Can you imagine right now, we're already seeing videos going viral. Imagine videos of innocent protesters being mowed down by heavy, you know, machinery and and and weapons at the hands of the Chinese and the the and the communist. I mean, like, it's almost like this this appears to be this is like we're approaching some sort of check or checkmate situation with where we go from here.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, it's because it's not just Tiananmen Square. It's not just one city in one place. It's all places, all the major cities in China, all across China. It has spread already.
• 42:46
  And if you're you do not you would not want to be Xi Jinping right now. Because he has to play this perfectly. What the Chinese military and police have done is they will use people from one one city to be the people's arm police in another one. So their families are not there. Their relatives are not there.
• 43:08
  They're very careful about that. They know that if the police come from the place that they're policing, they're going to go over to the people under these circumstances. They figured that out a long time ago. The only problem is the Chinese people have very subtle intelligence. What we saw in Western China was the Uighurs being persecuted, the Uighurs being victimized.
• 43:32
  And that's, you know, you separate them out, but then you had their Han Chinese neighbors standing up for them. And you're thinking, Wait a minute. Wow. That is so unlike the way the dynamic has worked in China. People standing up for each other over ethnic lines, even though it's not my city and it's not my relatives.
• 43:58
  These are like my relatives. This humanizing view that somehow carries with this contagion is somehow part of it, that there's been this almost spiritual moment like you saw in Ukraine in 2013 to 'fourteen where people went out and braved bullets from the government to say, No, this is wrong. The government can't do this to our children. You have the same thing now beginning to develop so that if that is part of it, part of what's communicated, the people's armed police may not be reliable when it comes to shooting. You know, Napoleon was a very hard man.
• 44:48
  And the French Revolution had gone on for years at that point, had ravaged the country, and a lot of people were just plain done with it. The thing about crowds of people is that you see these crowds in China. Isn't 1,400,000,000 people. It's always a minority who are on the streets, but such a large numbers that the police are a tiny minority. The armies, The Chinese army is 3,000,000 people in a country that's 1,400,000,000.
• 45:16
  What is the ratio there? Right. So you have to kind of look at it in proportion. So if the Chinese suddenly just 50,000,000 people are in the streets. Which is a small percentage of the Chinese population.
• 45:31
  In
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: Brazil, there's numbers of twenty, thirty million
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: out at different Right. And you immediately see how overwhelmed the security forces could be. And it's like, no. When you've got that many people, look, have like in the Hungarian revolution in 'fifty six, I'm not remembering the details exactly, but every attempt to use force on that crowd, the people who attempted to use force were overwhelmed and destroyed. Because it was so sudden that crowd turned on everybody so quickly.
• 46:08
  And it was like it happened. It was like five p. M. End of work. People came out of their places of work in Budapest and they just went right into the street.
• 46:19
  Something triggered them. They went to the street and that was it. They just started and it just went from one thing to another and the government buildings were stormed and that was the end. It was that fast in Budapest in 'fifty six. And in France, it was the Bastille.
• 46:34
  They celebrated his Bastille Day. They stormed that. And they stormed the big palace, the Palace Of Versailles. And that was it. The king ended up in the custody of the revolution.
• 46:51
  He ended up being executed in the end. And his wife and his kids were killed. So, this can very fast or it can. But typically, when you're at this crowd stage, you got it can go like with the French Revolution. I think the king was executed in 1793.
• 47:17
  The revolution started in 1789. It's almost four years between the actual deposing of the monarchy. Well, he was actually deposed before he was executed. But, you know, you're talking about three, four years before that it progresses to that stage. In Hungary, it was immediate.
• 47:35
  Just within hours, right? So these things can this volatility level. It's where this goes and whether or not the police and the army join with the people.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: I think probably one of the big indicators of this really coming close to toppling the CCP is if you start seeing these protesters storming buildings. Yes. It's it's, you know, it's one thing for them to be all in the street. That's already a massive thing. You know, we're seeing videos of them tearing down barricades for COVID, tipping over little test testing centers.
• 48:10
  But if they start going to the government buildings, if they start breaking in, like what what you know, that like we saw, think it was at Pakistan, saw that they overtook the Presidential Palace. And, you know, if we start seeing that happening, and that that's, that's significant. I mean, and it is it feels like whether this is the timing of it precisely right now. I mean, it really feels like an event like this, especially if you're gaming out what are the the different options that there's not really a whole lot that this is pushing the CCP to the brink of collapse.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: Well, the the the CCP has to offer a carrot and a stick, in the right exact, and they have to psychologically be sensitive enough to strike the right balance. And the problem is these kind of leaders generally don't have that faculty because they're not psychologically normal. They can't really understand the people. So, what you're likely to see here is that they would maneuver the people's arm police and they would have to strike at exactly the same time in multiple cities to clear the streets. Because if they did it in one place and caused a massacre and it was found out in the other places, that uncountable volatility could kick in like what happened in Hungary in '56.
• 49:38
  And you don't want that. So they whatever they do, they have to be very careful to act with total coordination. Now, here's the problem. You start to coordinate, people will catch on that you're about to do something. They'll see troops moving.
• 49:55
  They'll see things being prepared, and they could react unpredictably before you've got everybody into place. And then what are your police, your people's armed police and your army units going to do? You really don't want the army units to get involved, by the way, because the army units are more likely to go over to the people because the peoples aren't police. Police have been specially trained and prepared to do this.
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: Interact with their own civilians. The army is always training to attack the American enemy.
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: Right. Right. The foreign enemy.
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Countrymen.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: So it's very dangerous if the people's armed police are not sufficient if they start using army units. That's the thing to watch. And of course, it could also evolve where parts of the army go over to the people and parts don't, and you end up with a civil war. That's possible. But right now, what you mentioned before, what is significant is that once the Chinese people have shown their ability, and nobody really knew if the Chinese people could do this, come out en masse and demand the end of the CCP.
• 51:02
  Once they've shown this and they've shown it, by the way, not just to the world, but they've shown it to themselves. Yeah. Oh, look what we can do. That's feeling. And this was something that we saw that history saw in the French Revolution that the French people could come out like that.
• 51:21
  And by the way, it's why our capital is in Washington, DC. We had our capital in Philadelphia and I think it alternated between Philadelphia and New York. But we didn't want it to be in a population center. DC wasn't originally a big city. Right.
• 51:37
  We didn't want to have that thing where the mob could come out and intimidate the government, like happened in France. But in China, that's not an option. They are heavily urbanized now. They have the biggest urban population in the world, the biggest population in the world. And so, yeah, it's going to be something to watch.
• 52:01
  But this could go on. Believe it or not, it could go on a while. That that this could go on for months.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's certainly important to stay tuned to it because I think that, you know, especially here in America, we're looking around and seeing just so many evil things that have emerged in our society, whether it's the the, you know, the LGBTQ plus agenda in the schools or just, you know, Hollywood being corrupted. And so many of the evil elements that we're seeing go straight back to the CCP. I mean, they they they've got their tentacles deeply into our society. And so I think that the best thing that could happen for the entire world would to be would to see the collapse of the CCP. Because I think that so much of what we're seeing in our society would also collapse with that.
• 52:56
  I mean, how many politicians are compromised? I mean, there's this there's it runs so deep. So this is I mean, it it just it's a very, very significant event unfolding over there.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah. No. It it's one of the things is you're exactly right. The CCP is like the head of the snake. It is the largest communist party in the world.
• 53:20
  We know that our problems here have something to do with Marxism spreading throughout our universities because we have this wokeism is the creature of Marxism. Now, people can argue and say, It's not really Marxism. Technically, Marx will set that aside a minute because ideas evolve. And Marx and Lenin said they do. And so, it has evolved in the West of this thing.
• 53:45
  And it's about control. And we have seen how the pandemic has There was an attempt to control us and to actually control our speech. We are not literally you were forbidden or punished or ostracized for exercising certain speech. In the whole history of democracy, you are allowed to question. Right?
• 54:09
  You're allowed to challenge. Okay, they're saying this. Is that really true? So now if you say the vaccines are safe and effective, if you say otherwise, now you are a disinformation spreader and you need to be taken offline. Or if you say that there's something funny about our elections, the polling numbers and the data about how different groups are voting, this doesn't match the outcome.
• 54:36
  Right. You say, well, in 2010, we had the Republicans won by 6,000,000 votes or 2,500,000 votes and they picked up 30 something seats. Now they won by 6,000,000 votes and they pick up eight seats, seven, whatever it is. So, people have questions like, what's going on? You are not allowed to ask.
• 55:01
  That's totalitarianism where somebody in authority says, this is the law. If you question it, you'll be punished. Wait a minute. Freedom of what happened to discourse, freedom of speech, what happened to reason and the dignity of the person? It's all gone.
• 55:22
  And so, you know that this is a it doesn't matter. Say Marxism, as Eric Verglen, who was a great philosopher in this, he said Marx was a swindler. And he swindled people because he was trying to enable people who wanted to use violence in politics on other people who just enjoy using violence. They like killing people. They like victimizing people.
• 55:49
  They have to because that's what they do. And it's almost in itself. You look Putin, the gratuitousness of this war, of this violence, it's mad. It's crazy. You look at China was prospering.
• 56:05
  China was doing so well. Why are you building this big military? Why are you talking about war with Taiwan disrupting your trade relations with The US and Australia and who knows who else. And why do you do this? The world was going okay.
• 56:24
  Why make a biological weapon that gets loose and the whole world economy goes into a downturn? Why do you do these things? This is inherently crazy.
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It is. I mean, it's it's it's it's evil. And maybe that's just the nature of evil. The nature of evil is chaos, death, and destruction, you know, as as Marx originally set out to achieve.
• 56:47
  So well, I think that yeah.
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: Negative thoughts, breeding fear, wanting control Yep. You know, and feeling inferior, this feeling of I'm not Okay, so I need power to be Okay and I need power over you to be Okay. And if I hurt you or kill you, I really feel Okay because that's self affirmation, right? That's the self affirmation of the serial killer. That's the pathology we're dealing with.
• 57:16
  Only it's not just Ted Bundy. It's China. It's Russia.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: Exactly. Exactly. Well, Jeff, we'll have to just keep our eyes on this because it's things are unfolding quickly. And I know that you're always very fast to tell me if you have updates. And so if we have have you back on shortly, then that will probably be the case because this is it's a significant event.
• 57:42
  And I hope that everyone watching and listening to this, you know, go in any way you can, show support for these Chinese, even if it means sharing the videos coming out of China on your social media. You know, we need the whole world to see what's happening in China, and we need the Chinese people to feel like they have the support of patriots around the world that value freedom. And that, you know, similar to when we saw in the Hong Kong protests, and they're waving the American flag, right? Like because they knew that that they stood for freedom. So we have to, even sending our thoughts and our prayers over there to give them strength to go up against this beast because we need we need the CCP to fall.
• 58:23
  It's a scourge on humanity. We need it to be eliminated.
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And the crowds are are in China are talking about the power of the Chinese people, not the power of the party. Yeah. You know? So that's that's the thing, the dignity of people.
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: Right. Well, Jeff, for those of you that are watching, I'm gonna pull your website up so that for the folks that are here watching or listening, you can check out check out Jeff's work at jrnyquist.blog, which is this is a wealth of information. And I also just wanna show, think your most recent book releases it, which is it the lies we believe? This is your most recent. Yeah.
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: The lies we believe in. Yep. That's As
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: well. So Jeff's got a brilliant mind when it comes to communism and just honestly, there's there's no more important of a time than now to understand the communism and the threat around the world. So, Jeff, thanks. You know, thanks for setting aside time to come on here. I always really enjoy our conversations.
• 59:24
  And, you know, I hope soon that maybe we're gonna be, you know, clinking some champagne glasses and say, hey. You know what? The CCP is is really on the way out. I mean, we could be there. It could be right around the corner.
• 59:34
  I
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: really hope you're praying. It would be a great thing for the human race. No doubt.
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: It would be. It would be. Alright, Jeff. Well, thank you so much. It's always great to have you on.
• 59:42
  Have a wonderful day.
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: Alright. You too. Thank you.