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Patriots Unfiltered 7/20: Training Camp Preview, Could Pats Add a Veteran RB?, Updated Coaching Titles · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 2: The World's a pigeon podcaes Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. Evan's
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  Speaker 2: not here, but he has issued a statement on DeAndre Hopkins.
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  Speaker 2: We'll read that later.
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  Speaker 3: In the meantime, though, I would love to hear the
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  Speaker 3: official statement. We've all expressed a right, we've all expressed.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so let's know this is important because a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people are. They need to know what heaven feels.
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  Speaker 2: So go ahead.
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  Speaker 4: Good luck to Mac Jones and Bill O'Brien. Patriots fans
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  Speaker 4: deserve better. Thank you for privacy at this difficult time.
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  Speaker 5: Oh wow, one of the chief Patriots. So they can
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  Speaker 5: buy the stadium and that's all you hear.
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  Speaker 2: It's separate and that's the that I know. That was
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  Speaker 2: on one of your shows too, And now we know
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  Speaker 2: where they're spending all their money on the stadium.
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  Speaker 5: Him expect that's part of me for every day.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 5: You think the quarterback is going to be the reason
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  Speaker 5: why they better not because players make any place for him.
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  Speaker 2: This isn't breedy, okay, So you can find ponies.
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  Speaker 5: They haven't been able to.
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  Speaker 2: But it's hard. They found ponies. You called them, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: I'm just that's what I worry about.
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  Speaker 5: You just encapsulated.
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  Speaker 2: But you called those wide receivers pony.
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  Speaker 5: I think the tight ends are ponies too.
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  Speaker 6: Every year it's like something else they're experimenting with, trying
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  Speaker 6: to find the right formula to find success post breed.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the NFL without a quarterback, I know, And
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  Speaker 2: no disrespect to Mac you know what I mean, Robin
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  Speaker 2: San Diego via Connecticut. This is Patriot's Unfiltered, all right,
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Thursday here at Gillette Stadium,
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  Speaker 2: and the stadium itself is getting ready for Luke Combs,
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  Speaker 2: yes tomorrow and Saturday, so you might hear some baby.
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  Speaker 2: I know people don't like that.
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  Speaker 4: Well you definitely will.
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  Speaker 2: Nothing we can do about it. But it's amazing how
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  Speaker 2: quickly they put those stages up.
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  Speaker 4: I just don't well, it's like you don't know where
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  Speaker 4: the construction ends, and when the concerts set up, takedown begins,
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  Speaker 4: like it's always something right outside our doing.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway that's going on and where going on. We'll be
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  Speaker 2: on for two hours talking Patriots and everything else. Eight
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  Speaker 2: five five pass five hundred ACE ticket houtline and the
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  Speaker 2: email is web radio at patriot dot com. It's Deuce,
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  Speaker 2: it's Paul, it's me, it's Matt Nabooth. Evan's on vacation.
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  Speaker 2: Please respect his privacy during that's difficult time. I have
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  Speaker 2: no idea where or Alex's but.
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  Speaker 5: There were no statements about Lendon Fournette or Darryl Henderson.
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  Speaker 4: I think there were some tweets, but yeah, no statements.
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  Speaker 5: So there's no statements.
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  Speaker 2: There's stuff going on that, you know, as we get
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  Speaker 2: closer to training camp, guys are trickling in here. Rookies
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  Speaker 2: arrive tomorrow, Veterans arrive on Tuesday, is you know, by Tuesday,
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  Speaker 2: so we're getting close and then Wednesday will be out
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  Speaker 2: there live. So it's exciting. But there is some you know,
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  Speaker 2: stories out there, some rumors. But one thing I want
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  Speaker 2: to start to show off right now. I know one thing,
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  Speaker 2: I know one thing, you know, not to say that
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  Speaker 2: we have him. We've spent time, you know, talking about
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  Speaker 2: Bill Belichick in his future and and and that whole thing,
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  Speaker 2: Bill the GM versus Bill the coach, and you know
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  Speaker 2: all that stuff. But I really think it's it's getting
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  Speaker 2: a little crazy. I mean, you know, the amount of
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  Speaker 2: oxygen being used to just talk about Bill Belichick and
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  Speaker 2: will he make it through the season? What's it?
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  Speaker 5: Is he on the hot seat?
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  Speaker 2: How hot is the seat?
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  Speaker 5: That's the biggest thing I think is is Bill on
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  Speaker 5: the hot seat? I did two things this week, one
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  Speaker 5: on the Comcast Show or the NBC Sports Boston Show,
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  Speaker 5: and then I did a podcast with Andy for EEI,
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  Speaker 5: and that's one of the main topics on both of them,
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  Speaker 5: you know, is Bill on the hot seat? And I
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  Speaker 5: think they were kind of disappointed when I said I
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  Speaker 5: didn't think he was.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think people are. You know, they're they're hoping
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  Speaker 2: for the disaster and that's what it's going to take.
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  Speaker 2: And do you really want the season to be a disaster?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, come on, I think we're I get it.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you have to question you know, sports of
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  Speaker 2: sports fans are fans. You questioned decisions, the coach, the owner.
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  Speaker 2: That's what fandom is all about. You know, you have
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  Speaker 2: a right to do that. But I think I think
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  Speaker 2: it's getting a little bit absurd. It's too much.
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  Speaker 5: I was thinking a little bit about it.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, and this is angel I was kind of
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  Speaker 4: considering over the last couple of days, was that, you know,
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  Speaker 4: there's a perception out there, right or wrong, that you
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  Speaker 4: know that the Patriots, Bill, Robert whatever pushed Tom Brady out.
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  Speaker 4: Can they make that mistake again? You know, like like
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  Speaker 4: is that a concern of theirs that you know, let's
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  Speaker 4: say you did get rid of Bill Belichick and he
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  Speaker 4: did go somewhere else and had some success and attained
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  Speaker 4: the record. There is that a concern for ownership to say,
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  Speaker 4: you know, we kind of look like, you know, not
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  Speaker 4: to say that Robert specifically gets blamed for Tom leaving,
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  Speaker 4: but you know, generally the Patriots get blamed that Tom
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  Speaker 4: should have still been here.
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  Speaker 5: Is that something that you look to avoid?
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  Speaker 4: And you say, you know what, I'd rather have a
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  Speaker 4: few seasons of seven eight nine wins seasons and let him.
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  Speaker 5: Break the record.
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  Speaker 4: Then the risk of letting him go do it somewhere
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  Speaker 4: else and then getting kind of blamed for pushing out
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  Speaker 4: both the greatest player and the greatest coach of all time.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe I'm you know, just pie in the sky. I
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  Speaker 2: don't think that should be a factor. I think the
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  Speaker 2: factor should be just performance. Forget about the record or
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  Speaker 2: anything and what he's earned. I mean, I think he's
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  Speaker 2: earned the right to leave on his own terms, just
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  Speaker 2: like I think Brady was. Like Robert Kraft said, I'll
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  Speaker 2: never trade him and I won't put the franchise tag
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  Speaker 2: on him. He'll leave on his own terms, and he
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  Speaker 2: lived up to that, you know, like you can blame
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  Speaker 2: Robert or Bill for forcing him out whatever, but you know,
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  Speaker 2: they didn't trade him and they didn't put a tag
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  Speaker 2: on him. You know, a lot of people criticize him
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  Speaker 2: for that, but I think the same courtesy should be
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  Speaker 2: extended to Belichick. I think he's earned that.
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  Speaker 7: You know.
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  Speaker 2: Now, again, if it's a complete disaster, then Robert Kraft
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  Speaker 2: has to do something, But I don't think that's gonna happen.
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  Speaker 2: I think they're going to competitive this year, and I
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  Speaker 2: think that I and I can't think of anyone I'd
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  Speaker 2: rather have, so I you know, again, you question especially
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  Speaker 2: last year, absolutely, but I think that's that seems to
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  Speaker 2: be the dominant topic whenever the Patriots, you know, the
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  Speaker 2: page turns to the Patriots, and I think it's a
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  Speaker 2: little bit too much.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I try to go back to and think
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  Speaker 4: of and you know, I think we generally throw twenty
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  Speaker 4: twenty out of the equation, but you know, it's just
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  Speaker 4: it's the conversation to have of you know, based on
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  Speaker 4: the body of work, and of course we all know
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  Speaker 4: what it is. What's reasonable? What's a reasonable chance that
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  Speaker 4: you have because you know, it's not like you're gonna
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  Speaker 4: let him. I mean, obviously he's he's up in age,
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  Speaker 4: so it's not like he has twenty more years to coach.
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  Speaker 4: But you know, that's the reasonable thing to that you're
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  Speaker 4: asking yourself what would I have given? What would have
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  Speaker 4: said if you asked me in you know, twenty twenty,
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  Speaker 4: what's it going to take? How many years before you
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  Speaker 4: expect to, you know, really be a contender again? You know,
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  Speaker 4: but I think last year was as close to as
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  Speaker 4: you I think you put it like a disaster where
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  Speaker 4: they were still kind of competitive, you know, like it
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  Speaker 4: was kind of a disaster, right, but they were still
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  Speaker 4: kind of competitive. And I'd say kind of competitive, and
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  Speaker 4: that's what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I gets the good teams, they they didn't
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  Speaker 2: fare that well, but like you said, in the grand
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  Speaker 2: scheme of the NFL, they were a competitive team. You know,
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  Speaker 2: they weren't getting blown out every week or anything like that.
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  Speaker 4: And it's like the switch that I feel like is,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I do respect Bill so much as a
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  Speaker 4: head coach that I feel like he'll always get you
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  Speaker 4: to that seven, eight, nine win point. Are you willing
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  Speaker 4: to bite the bullet and take a chance on a
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  Speaker 4: two to three win season with a new coach? But
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  Speaker 4: with that comes a chance at a higher draft pick
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  Speaker 4: in those kind of you know, and then you kind
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  Speaker 4: of begin the process again. So I really struggle with
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  Speaker 4: it because you know, I to be honest, I just
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  Speaker 4: I don't think that the drafts were good enough. I
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  Speaker 4: don't think the players have developed well enough. And I
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  Speaker 4: feel like we've been stuck in neutral for basically, you know,
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  Speaker 4: three seasons, right, and and you know, there's that enough
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  Speaker 4: to fire the greatest head coach of all time. I
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  Speaker 4: struggle to make that jump, But I don't think that
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  Speaker 4: it's that crazy. And yeah, I mean, you know often
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  Speaker 4: the distance they even think about it.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's well put. I think I could
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  Speaker 5: I could see arguments on both sides, and I'm not
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  Speaker 5: I don't have my pitchfork out and saying this guy's
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  Speaker 5: got to go and I understand Fred's point. You know,
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  Speaker 5: what he's done matters, Like he's done more than any
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  Speaker 5: coach in the history of the league for your team.
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  Speaker 5: He's done more than any other coach has done for
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  Speaker 5: one single team, you know, So I think that needs
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  Speaker 5: to be part of the equation.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe because I'm getting up there and you know, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not a good things.
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  Speaker 5: You're probably right. You hired the back nine, you know.
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  Speaker 5: I would like to think that the contributions you know
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  Speaker 5: that Belichick has made matter, but at the same time
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  Speaker 5: that that shouldn't be and I don't think it will be,
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  Speaker 5: you know, in automatic get out of jail free card.
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  Speaker 5: I think, you know, if if the signs are there,
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  Speaker 5: and listen last year to me and I know what
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  Speaker 5: the record was. We don't need to go over why
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  Speaker 5: we all think that the record was probably better than
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  Speaker 5: what we actually saw based on all the backup quarterbacks
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  Speaker 5: they faced. But if you were looking through a prism
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  Speaker 5: of what are some of the signs that you would
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  Speaker 5: see where a coach should be, it should be in
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  Speaker 5: trouble in the season with a couple of guys that
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  Speaker 5: are on the suspended list. You made a very controversial
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  Speaker 5: decision to put defensive coaches in charge of the offense,
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  Speaker 5: and therefore your offense couldn't move the ball all season.
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  Speaker 5: You know. The problems on offense then led to a
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  Speaker 5: lot of public comments from your players sort of being
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  Speaker 5: critical of your offense and on the field, your quarterback
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  Speaker 5: just blatantly disrespecting the coaches, like, I'm not suggesting that
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  Speaker 5: you should be fired, because I don't think I started
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  Speaker 5: off the whole thing by saying I think I kind
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  Speaker 5: of surprised both NBC Sports Boston when I was on
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  Speaker 5: with Trainy the other night and then Andy when they
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  Speaker 5: asked me, I said, no, I don't really think he's
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  Speaker 5: on the hot seat. I think it would have to
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  Speaker 5: be a complete and total train wreck where they win
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  Speaker 5: four games for him to be on the hot seat.
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  Speaker 5: And I think I kind of caught them off guard
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  Speaker 5: by that. But I understand people who think differently than
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  Speaker 5: me because of those things that I just said. Those
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  Speaker 5: are the things that if someone else, you know, like
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  Speaker 5: if Chuck Nole at the end was dealing with that
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  Speaker 5: kind of stuff, people would say the game passed him by,
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  Speaker 5: He's got to go right.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I would just I'd highlight for me to the
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  Speaker 4: end of the Raiders game. That was kind of an
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  Speaker 4: antithesis of a Belichick coach team to me, of having
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  Speaker 4: complete unawareness of the situation in a moment that the
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  Speaker 4: game was being decided. And you know, everything you mentioned true, like,
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  Speaker 4: but just the general lack of discipline that just you know, like,
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  Speaker 4: those are the things that creep up a little bit
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  Speaker 4: that I see that it makes me wonder, is he
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  Speaker 4: losing the team?
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  Speaker 5: Are they still have that firm grasp of the locker
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  Speaker 5: room that they always did.
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  Speaker 4: Continued, continued, and some of that's connected for sure to
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  Speaker 4: the offense, and.
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  Speaker 2: That Patrician is the brain rain that this team has had.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely and I think these are you know, and it's
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  Speaker 4: a good conversation because these are all things that you
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  Speaker 4: think about of you know. I I don't think it's
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  Speaker 4: easy to coach an NFL team. I don't think it's
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  Speaker 4: easy to build an NFL team, But at a certain point,
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  Speaker 4: you know, you do expect results or at least development.
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  Speaker 4: And that's why this year young guys.
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  Speaker 5: For me, it's funny. I think he is better at
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  Speaker 5: the harder part. I think it's harder to coach an
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  Speaker 5: NFL team than it is to build one. I think
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  Speaker 5: there are guys that I think are just okay, that
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  Speaker 5: have been able to collect players and talent and and
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  Speaker 5: but they're not good enough coaching wise. I think Bill
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  Speaker 5: has the hard part because I still I'm with Fred.
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  Speaker 5: I still think of Bill as you know, if he's
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  Speaker 5: not the best you know anymore, you know, how many
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  Speaker 5: are you putting above them? A couple A couple? Well,
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  Speaker 5: I mean that, but that's not necessarily what I'm talking
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  Speaker 5: about here. I'm just saying right now, coaching, just on
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  Speaker 5: the sideline during the course of a game, who would
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  Speaker 5: you feel better with? You know, Like I'm not saying
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  Speaker 5: I would feel better, but like you're talking about Andy Reid,
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  Speaker 5: maybe Harbaugh, maybe Tomlin, maybe Shanahan McVeigh. Yeah, Okay, there's
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  Speaker 5: a handful of guys that I would say there's an
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  Speaker 5: argument to be made. There ain't that many. No, there
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  Speaker 5: aren't even now like with Bill going you know on
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  Speaker 5: four years now without being able to sort of get
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  Speaker 5: over that hum.
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  Speaker 2: Now that said. Last year, I remember at the beginning
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  Speaker 2: of season, you know, I was just talking about us
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  Speaker 2: and how we approach our critique of the team, and
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  Speaker 2: I said, we have a responsibility to be as objective
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  Speaker 2: and as fair as we can be, you know, because
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  Speaker 2: people rely on like that type of you know analysis.
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  Speaker 2: And I'll say the same thing about going into this season,
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  Speaker 2: It's going to be important for us to be fair
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  Speaker 2: and objective and really like, you know, let people know
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  Speaker 2: what we're really seeing, you know, because there's a lot
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  Speaker 2: of stuff out there and they rely on people that
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  Speaker 2: are close to tell them what's really going on.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I like that's why I like what Paul said
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  Speaker 4: and why I felt like I should add to the Raiders.
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  Speaker 4: There's just you know, signs of coaching not being up
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  Speaker 4: to par or you know, where it needs to be,
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  Speaker 4: or the team just not really being on the same
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  Speaker 4: page with the coach, you know. And again I think
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  Speaker 4: a lot of that is rooted in the decision with
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  Speaker 4: the offensive coaching staff last year, and perhaps that changes
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  Speaker 4: back now we believe in Bill O'Brien. Now the offense
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  Speaker 4: is not having the stupid penalties as much because he's
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  Speaker 4: holding them accountable and his expectations are clearly defined. So
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  Speaker 4: I haven't totally written it off, but you know, like
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  Speaker 4: it's hard to watch the last three seasons like we have, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: and come a lot of anything different than saying that
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  Speaker 4: there's you know, it's got to be better this year.
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  Speaker 4: It's got to be better this year. I don't know,
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  Speaker 4: it's it's got to be better.
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  Speaker 2: People saw it as it was happening, and I'll in
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  Speaker 2: retrospect you look at last year and that that in
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  Speaker 2: the decision. You know, we'll call it the decision and.
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  Speaker 5: That plan.
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  Speaker 2: You know that the effects of that trickle down to everything.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if you're a guy who's never been an
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  Speaker 2: offensive coordinator before, you're not sure of yourself, and if
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  Speaker 2: you're not sure of yourself, how do you demand of
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  Speaker 2: others if you're trying to figure it out? And then
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  Speaker 2: that trickles down to the mental areas. You're talking about
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  Speaker 2: the mistakes, the lack of discipline, because the guy who's
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  Speaker 2: leading your unit isn't sure of himself, so how can he,
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  Speaker 2: you know, how can he you know, exude that confidence
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  Speaker 2: to the rest of the team. It's it was just
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  Speaker 2: a bad situation.
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  Speaker 4: It's the worst possible position to be in as a
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  Speaker 4: coach in any sport where you know you're you don't
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  Speaker 4: feel like you know what you're doing, or the players
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  Speaker 4: don't believe that you know what you're doing. You don't
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  Speaker 4: have the answers. You don't have the answers to their questions.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, I I forget who the interview was,
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  Speaker 4: a young coach, but they just said, the players just
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  Speaker 4: want to know that you're on your side and there
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  Speaker 4: you're gonna help them. And I think that when they
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  Speaker 4: don't know that you know how to help them, they're
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  Speaker 4: not gonna, you know, believe what you say. They're not invested.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, the things that we saw at the
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  Speaker 4: end of the season are all direct branches of that.
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  Speaker 2: That's why I'm hopeful about O'Brien because he rose up
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  Speaker 2: the ranks, was an offensive coator, was a head coach,
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  Speaker 2: went to college, recently worked with young kids. You know.
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  Speaker 2: Now he's back as an offensive corner. So I think
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  Speaker 2: it's a it's a good path for this particular situation.
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  Speaker 2: This is the guy, this is who you needed to
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  Speaker 2: land that offensive plane this year because we were in turbulence,
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  Speaker 2: and hopefully he can land the plane.
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  Speaker 5: With with Billy Oh. And I think if you were
• 15:40
  Speaker 5: to look and this is one of the things Andy
• 15:42
  Speaker 5: and I talked about yesterday on his uh, I'll give
• 15:44
  Speaker 5: it a plug six rings and Things podcast, as he
• 15:49
  Speaker 5: kept saying, no fitsy, no problem on vacation.
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: So you really want Andy and that bunker with you, Absolutely,
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: absolutely so.
• 15:58
  Speaker 5: But I had a good time. I always have a
• 15:59
  Speaker 5: good time with the We talked about five reasons you
• 16:02
  Speaker 5: think the Patriots will make the playoffs, and Bill O'Brien
• 16:04
  Speaker 5: has to be on that list. Not because you think
• 16:06
  Speaker 5: he's so good as an offensive coordinator that he's going
• 16:09
  Speaker 5: to be responsible for X wins, Like, that's not necessarily why,
• 16:13
  Speaker 5: and both of us had it at the top of
• 16:15
  Speaker 5: our list. It's the stuff that Fred's talking about. It
• 16:18
  Speaker 5: just kind of permeates. You know, there's more of a
• 16:21
  Speaker 5: professionalism to the system, in the play calling and the
• 16:24
  Speaker 5: rhythm of what you're doing, and that trickles down, as
• 16:27
  Speaker 5: you guys were just talking about to the players. And
• 16:30
  Speaker 5: Mac has to be in a better place mentally right
• 16:32
  Speaker 5: now than he was this time last year. So if
• 16:34
  Speaker 5: it's going to be better and it's going to work,
• 16:37
  Speaker 5: that's going to be a big part of the reason
• 16:39
  Speaker 5: why I think, all.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: Right, let's get to some of the stories that are
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: out there.
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: Leonard Fernatt, Darryl Henderson, and.
• 16:47
  Speaker 5: They had two running backs in for physic yesterday according
• 16:50
  Speaker 5: to the NFL Wire.
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: And then the wide receiver from the Jets.
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: Looks like he's gone to Detroit.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: Oh, he's right.
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: It's one of those Hey, we're going to release him.
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: And then somebody's like, wait, wait, wait, wait wait, switch.
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: Spots in the sixth and seventh round, So they slid
• 17:03
  Speaker 5: up a handful of spots in the He's going to
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: go to Detroit.
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not really surprised they've shown interest in
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: Fournette before. I mean I think that you know, they
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: had plans for for the kid that they cut. I've
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: already forgotten his name, James Robinson. So you know, I
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: think that they're they're a little bit light there, you know,
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: like I said on Tuesday Show, though, I mean, in
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: a perfect world, you'd love to just see Kevin Harrison
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: and Pierre Strong get a chance and really run with
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: it and you know, make whoever this potential veteran back
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: that they bring in, you know, extraneous, and you know,
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: I think that'd be the perfect scenario. But I do
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: think that they need an experienced ball carry if.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: They went, they need some depth who's better at when
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: Blunt was here or now? For Nette.
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: I mean probably blunt as long as he wasn't hitting
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: the backfield.
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: I don't know, I don't know, I don't.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: Is that type of play.
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: I actually look at fort because of his ability to
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: catch the ball. Yeah yeah, I think as ball carries
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: between the tackles. Yeah, neither one of them excite me.
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: But Fournette catches a lot of passes.
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: So it's something. I mean, it's something to work with.
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: I mean, i'd be fine. Yeah, I think they have to.
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: You know, let's let's get back to like, you know,
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: the trickle down from DeAndre Hopkins. Right as soon as
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: they didn't sign them, everybody turned their tables to who
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: Dalvin Cook? And you know, Vegas had him at the
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: height and I was like, this is absurd. These are
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: the running backs that I would expect. Leonard Fournette, Darryl
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: Henderson who three four years, four years I think with
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: the Rams, yeah, sea, you know, and this is the
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: role like I actually am, you know, four Neet' is
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: a better player than Henderson, But Henderson has been this
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: with what they want. He's been a backup guy who's
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: you know, he can come in plug a hole. He's
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: always averaged about four four and a half yards of carry,
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: so he's been reasonably productive in this kind of a
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: role with the Rams. Those are the kinds of backs
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: that it doesn't surprise me that they're interested. Are the
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: reasons that Mike said the James Robinson.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: Role didn't work out.
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: I do think it would be great if we're talking
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: by week week five or six. So you know who's
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: really done a nice job is Kevin Harris. He's really
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: he's filled in. He's been able to rest Stevenson a
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: little bit, and then you have Pierre Strong and Ty
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: Montgomery to possibly fill the role so Stevenson doesn't have
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: to catch seventy balls again like he did last year,
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: you know, in that way maybe instead of because he's
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: my guess is Stevenson's gonna knock on the door of
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: three hundred touches this year. He was like two I
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: want to say two to eighty ish last year.
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: Playing a lot more probably passing snaps than he should
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: play this year too.
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: Right, So I would like to see that kind of
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: a combination. But Leondard Fournette, I'm all for it. I
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: think that's a great It would be a great signing.
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: We know there's some interest there because they worked him
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: out last year too.
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: They got two open roster spots right now, so it's,
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: you know, should be pretty easy if.
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: They want to mims By the way I would have
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: been interested in. Also, you know, a former second round
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: pick didn't work out with the Jets. He's really done nothing,
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: you know, in the pros. He's had a couple of
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: you know, flashes here and there, but to move up
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: a spot from the set that I think they traded
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: a seventh rounder for a sixth rounder, that's how they
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: got them. I definitely would have been interested. Absolutely.
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: I mean, I just I mean, we've talked about this
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: is the dividing line between the four guys the receiver
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: that you know, I mean include I'm gonna clude Thornton
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: in that as a four NFL receiver, but after that
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: it's nobody's caught a pass. So I think you need
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: one more receiver, Like you're one injury away from being like, okay,
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: now you really need Booty or you know, the other
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: guys Davis to emerge and take a role. They didn't
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: really fill Nelson Agalore's kind of spot. I know that
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: you know, those things are kind of fluid, but I
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: think that a back and a receiver not going to
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: be DeAndre Hopkins. But I think those are two editions.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: A little bit little personnel news out there. Another thing
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: that one of your guys said yesterday, I believe it
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: was yesterday. I don't. I don't know if it's true,
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: but if it is, I was like, really, and I
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: guess we should know because we're with the team and
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: they're not. But they said that Jack Jones. The Patriots
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: have been sending Jack Jones out to community events.
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: I just saw him with a he was with mccordy
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: at something. I saw him with mccordy. There was a
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: video with that's not I don't know when that was
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: or what it was. I mean, I did see Jack
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: Jones was back on Twitter.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: In a couple of tweets. Saw that.
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: Message there.
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know what what's going to happen there,
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: I really don't. I mean, Arnemy just thinks he's going
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: to be out there and he's not gonna be available
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: in the media, but he's just gonna be practicing.
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: I have not seen anything like on the site or anything.
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: I have all him, but that doesn't mean all due respect.
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: I'm not as up on all the community events. There
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: were a lot of them. I twise was down here yesterday. Yep,
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: Well we still promising me.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: Was d Max thing related with im?
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: I'm not sure what it was.
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: He was there with with some kids, so I don't
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: think it was one of our things. I think it
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: might have been just a d Max solo thing he
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: brought along, brought him along for. But I don't know
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: what to expect with me.
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: It could have been as simple as Devin sort of
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: reaching out to him and saying, hey, kid, don't you
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: come with me.
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: I'll show you what's brilliant important, which would be great,
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: which is great.
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: I don't even know.
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: But I don't even know for sure that that it,
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: that it's happened in the last couple of weeks.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: I was a little surprised that that was said definitively. Well,
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: I shouldn't be surprised that it was definitively.
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: I didn't catch that. Was that was that my guy? Mike?
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was sending him out to me. Over the
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: last few years, he's got like he starts to squeal
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: a little bit, like when he gets excited.
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: Maybe that's Tony running off on.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe I don't.
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: See blood pressure rubbing off on That's great.
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: I had not I had not heard that.
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know what to expect with him though,
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: like Jack Jones like that. I mean, it's the biggest
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: question probably of of Wednesday. Is he out there and
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: they letting him practice? You know, that's going to be
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: the first arrival that will will hopefully.
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: I still have no idea what to expect in regards
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: to him on Wednesday.
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: My feeling right now is he's just gonna be out
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: there until he can't be out there, you know, and
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: then if he's got a court hearing while they're in
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: Green Bay, he's not there for that, but they just
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: keep practicing.
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: Think it's a really bad look if something bad happens
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: after and they keep playing he was out there, you know.
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: Like in other words, the eighteenth comes around and it's
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: definitive whatever. I don't even know exactly what the procedures are,
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: but yeah, I don't know. I have no idea what
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: to expect.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: What other news has come out recently.
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: Well, one thing that is not really news to us,
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: because the coaching situation with the coaching titles has sort
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: of been something that we've been aware of for a while,
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: but evidently everybody found.
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: It yesterday, okay, digging on the website.
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so, I mean, okay, so I was gonna I
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: meant to ask you off air because I didn't want
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: to be a lawyer who got was guilty of the
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: cardinal sin of asking a question that you don't know
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: the answer to, right, That was what I thought that
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: we had updated that. Yeah, weeks ago.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: We made a decision We're not gonna, like trumpet a
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: press release out about it here, you know, we just
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: we put up the titles.
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: And someone found it yesterday and everybody opined on it
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: as if it was like, I don't know, but I
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: have no idea. You don't think I read any of
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: the opines like it says here, Bill O'Brien.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, there was no there were no surprises.
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: There's one I think I think Joe Judges.
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: Joe Judge assistant head Coaches.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: Well, we were told that at the time that's what it was.
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: Some people had no we we've known the title for
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: a while now. When I've learned that title, it surprised me.
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: That's what that's what it was billed as.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: It's assistant head coach.
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: The George because.
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: The traveling right, like the assistant head coach is different
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: than that. So I don't know what it means.
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: I think it should have said special teams coordinator.
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: I could tell you in putting together some of the stuff.
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: And I'm not going to like quote every single thing
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: that was involved, but putting together those bios and whatnot
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: for the yearbook that we're publishing, it's a bigger role
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: than I thought based on the bio.
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: I wonder where he's gonna be on game day too, Like,
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: you know, is he I mean heavily involved on the
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: special teams And I mean I still go back to
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: the Ernie Adams Matt Patricia thing that that Bill didn't
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: have last year. And I mean I think that going
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: back to the first conversation talk about you know, things
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: that all added up. I think that that's one too.
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: Maybe Joe Judge, you know, isn't on the sidelines during
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: the game day, and maybe he's upstairs like the eye
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: in the sky kind of thing.
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: That's if I were Bill Belichick, I get him away
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: from the team. Well, no team, just get him away
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: from number ten. Yeah.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Jara has that a very question. He says, does
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: Bill have anyone to take on the Ernie Adams role
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: in the booth. It has to be helpful having someone
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: he trusts watching the clock, et cetera. When Bill is
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: talking to the defense, there's something else on the sidelines.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: Now that Patricia's gone, does he have that support guy?
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: Well, I wonder who do you think did that last year?
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good quick because Patricia.
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: If Patricia was on the sideline for the most part.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: Maybe he did that too.
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well any offensive line.
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: Right, can we put anything else on this guy?
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: Right? Exactly?
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, and I just part of me now though,
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: realizes too that, like there's no replacing Ernie Adams. Like,
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: as much as we can say you got to just
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: put somebody in the Ernie Adams role, that doesn't necessarily
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: mean you're getting all the random minutia number crunching that
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: Ernie Adams. So even if you do have Joe Judge
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: up there, or or you know, if it was Patricia,
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: you know how much it's probably never really going to
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: be what it was with Ernie.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: Ye all right? Eight five five PATS five hundred is
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: the A Sticket hotline web radio at Patriots dot Com
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: is the email address I guess we should just open
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: it up.
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: Huh, we can, Hey, training can it's our second and
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: last show of the off season.
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: Gave us our half hour, like you want to do.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: I was gonna though, mentioned with not signing Hopkins and
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: now we're playing Nashville and joint practices, that's going to
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: be interesting. Oh yeah, you know what will that dynamic be?
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: You know, I mean hopefully he's on the sideline with
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: a hamstring injury.
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: Well, see, we do we play the South? We played
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: the South this year. No, no, no, so we don't
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: play tennis.
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: Just a joint joint press.
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: It doesn't matter then if we were playing, if we
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: were playing the Titans, you can guarantee that he would
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: be on the sideline.
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: With It'll matter for those couple of days if he
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: like goes off and he's like torching Christian Gazalees sol Over.
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: I agree, But that's the only way I think it
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: will matter. Like if he's just out there, fine, If
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: he's really bad, I think that would be fine. If
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: he's really good, like Devonte Adams the way you described
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: him last year, that will not be good. That would
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: that would not be good around here. That's hard to
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: imagine that would that would elictit a fred You know,
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: I'm listening to Paul shows and I'm a little sick
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: and tired of the the DeAndre Hopkins love.
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah that he was just all over the place at
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: Titans Camp. I mean it's a I mean it's a
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: few short weeks away.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: So yeah, let's go to the ace ticket hutline eight
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: five five pass five hundred Matthews in New Mexico. What's up, Matthews?
• 28:06
  Speaker 8: But real quick, I think people are upset that Dron
• 28:09
  Speaker 8: Mayo didn't get like a defensive coordinator title.
• 28:13
  Speaker 9: But my questions are.
• 28:16
  Speaker 8: We see the Seahawks uh throwbacks? And did you guys
• 28:20
  Speaker 8: like the Great Pands? And is there any chance that
• 28:24
  Speaker 8: will see those nineties throwbacks?
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: Thank you guys, Okay, thanks the nineties throwbacks?
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: The Seahawks look good, the Seahawks. Did you happen to
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: catch the video? Yeah?
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: It was pretty good.
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: I thought the video was really solid retro, really solid. Yeah.
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: But the the nineties throwbacks, which Mike and I are
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: sort of combs down on, evidently there's a more of
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: a ground swell in support of those than I had
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: ever imagined.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: This is the whole thing. You know, at the time
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: people thought they were horrid.
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: Well, the ninety three ones were horrid. I don't think
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: anybody he really despised it once they changed the numbers
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: from red to white.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: But even then they they had the stripes. It was
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: like striped. Yeah, it's like, what is a soccer shirt kit?
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: It's a kid I'm telling you people, people are sood.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: I agree, Fred, I didn't like I say the same
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: thing about pat Patriot At that time, nobody liked that
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: damn logo. I'm sorry, but now I don't.
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: I don't remember a lot of criticism of the logo.
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: I remember a lot of criticism of the team. I
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: do to a team that sucked.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: But yeah, No, the way it works with throwbacks is
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: you have to like tell the league like two years
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: in advance. So I do know that this year's throwback
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: will be this the red like just it would be
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: last year's throwback. No, I mean, I don't know what
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: games they're going to wear them, but they are going
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: to wear But they haven't changed their throat three times.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: They haven't changed their throwback.
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: Yes, I think you're right. Similar to what you've seen.
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: In the I love those Seahawks ones. So those were
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: they did it nice. I mean, I've always I was
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: a Seahawks fan. That was my b team growing up.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: That's the other thing, though, I don't understand like grown men,
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: how like they're so infatuated by uniforms.
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: Oh that like completely concur me, like Mike, this is
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: a win, good job, Seahawks. It's like what I didn't care.
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I hear some of that. I mean
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: because I'm by like, I just like the team. And
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: that's when I like the teams when they wore those
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: uniforms and they're like the perfect like they're threading the
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: needle right now, is like the they're so bad, they're
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: good right now. And I don't think that the Patriots
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: nineties uniforms would thread that same needle, you know. I
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: think they'd be fun to just like, hey, weren't they
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: terrible to wear for like one game?
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: But I don't need them, like working in there's a
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: nostalgic element that I certainly fall into. Like the late
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: seventies early eighties, I like those uniforms better. I thought
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: they had more color and whatnot than what they wear today.
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: But I agree with Fred's larger point, and there were
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: people there's that guy on ESPN, that Paul Lucas guy
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: like there as that like study.
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: They find all the movement and it's amazing.
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: I was leaving that out, but I just don't understand
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: how anybody can be that passionate about you.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: Right, have a photo more of this and then.
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: Come on, Well, I don't know were you when you
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: played sports? Were you into what you wore and like,
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: because I mean, hockey equipment is a big thing, so
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: well you didn't like have the right tennis racket, like
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: because I always felt I didn't the right racket that was.
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: I will say we have home. In high school, we
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: had home and away you know, baseball uniforms like everybody else, right,
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: and the whites were the home whites I always thought
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: were kind of sharp, like they had a big red
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: e on the side with a small number and then
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: a big number on the back. The away shirts were
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: red and they said effort on the front with a
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: small number on the front. And my junior year, the
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: coach decided we're just gonna wear the reds all the time.
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: And I hated it, like I was like, no, no, no,
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: why why are we not like to Mike's point like, no,
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: I did. I didn't like it.
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: Can't performing this?
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: I didn't say that, I No I did. I went
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: up to him, I was like, why we're not wearing
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: the home uniforms ever? And he goes, no, I like
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: these better, And I'm like, but but whatever.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: I didn't.
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: Are you democracy pal? All right? If you want to
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: do that?
• 32:25
  Speaker 10: Good?
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean I come from hockey, which I mean
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: all the hockey nerds to listen to this. It's like,
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: what kind of laces do you do? What's the transition
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: from your skate to your shin pad? How are you
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: taping your shim pad? What kind of gloves you have?
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: How long are your gloves?
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: Do you have?
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: The shirt?
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: A little little tuck.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: Stirrups high low?
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: Well, I went through transitions with this when I When I.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: Was you're just like me, No like transitions.
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: It was more it was more of a good luck
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: thing than than anything. But I was very I was
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: very conscious high school, like sort of growing into high
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: school and a little after that high then they transitioned
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: to low and you wore like I used to wear
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: my pants up around my knees, you know, and then
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: that kind of went away, and everybody wore the pants
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: low with the with the smallest stirrups, and then the
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: stirrups kind of went away. You just wore a sock
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: and then they kind of came back up again. So
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: I kind of went full circle on the stirrups. But
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: I had to have a specific shirt underneath that they
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: had to pitch. They never wore the same shirt the
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: day I pitched as I did the other days.
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: Step on the lines, that's that's just stupid.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: That's more.
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: This is more.
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: We're getting always always ran out to the mound and
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: walked off that always, never ever buried from that.
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: You can never run off the mound. That would be
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: a good book.
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: No, it looks like you're pouting off the field and
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: run right into the dugouts. Believe me, there were times
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: I wanted to, but no, there was There was one
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: time that I threw my glove from the third baseline
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: into the dugound, which I regretted.
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: I feel like tennis reckets was a huge thing, like have.
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: But let's transition a little. I mean, but they're kind
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: of related. It's like the look, it's the you know,
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: how do you feel do.
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: You remember back in the day with football Fred you
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: had like the girdle pads. Sure, okay, so they were
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: like the foam at the top. Yeah, but I definitely
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: went through a phase where I tucked my shirt in
• 34:17
  Speaker 5: inside the Oh yeah, you have the pad had like
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: the top of the pads. Yeah, oh yeah. Yeah. See.
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: I was always jealous of the kids.
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: Who were like, would wear no shirt underneath them, would
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: just have their you know, six pack, because.
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: I didn't want Paul couldn't do that. I couldn't. I
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: couldn't do that either.
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: I was always jealous of those guys. How nice it
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: must be, just you know, the.
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: Pad on I was always I was always what you
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: would say, not tight.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: All right, Uh, let's see who's up next. Jason's in Connecticut.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: What's up Jason?
• 34:53
  Speaker 8: Hi, gentlemen.
• 34:54
  Speaker 11: Uh, first time, long time.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 34:58
  Speaker 11: So I have a quick story and then a question.
• 35:01
  Speaker 11: But the first thing that I want.
• 35:02
  Speaker 8: To say is that, Paul, you.
• 35:04
  Speaker 11: Were my absolute favorite sports personality in the entire market. Wow,
• 35:09
  Speaker 11: I listen for you andhan when I.
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: Thank you, I appreciate that. Really, that was very nice.
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: Thank you. Jason. I'm like taking aback.
• 35:21
  Speaker 11: Well, you've earned it. I mean, I can't be the
• 35:23
  Speaker 11: only person in the market that thinks.
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: So you know, I think you might be.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're the one.
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean certainly the only one not related to me.
• 35:34
  Speaker 11: So quick story. My son just finished first grade. Matt
• 35:38
  Speaker 11: you're going to want to have the cool story. Drop ready,
• 35:40
  Speaker 11: proply I just finished first grade. And you're all fathers,
• 35:45
  Speaker 11: so you know that when ah, when a boy is
• 35:49
  Speaker 11: that young, then you know what they're talking about maybe
• 35:52
  Speaker 11: fifty percent of the time and the other half of
• 35:55
  Speaker 11: the times like whatever. Kid, So he comes home and
• 36:00
  Speaker 11: he's like, Dad, like, there was somebody from the Patriots
• 36:05
  Speaker 11: at my school. And I'm like, well, that's that'd be
• 36:08
  Speaker 11: awfully strange, Like how do you know that? And he's like, oh,
• 36:11
  Speaker 11: he was wearing a Patriots shirt. And I'm like, well, buddy,
• 36:14
  Speaker 11: anybody could wear a Patriots shirt. You don't have to
• 36:15
  Speaker 11: be on the Patriots. And so I did a pretty
• 36:18
  Speaker 11: good job of convincing him that he was wrong. And
• 36:21
  Speaker 11: I opened up his backpack and in his backpack is
• 36:24
  Speaker 11: a book and it's by Malcolm Mitchell, and like moly,
• 36:27
  Speaker 11: like they had an author visit today and that author
• 36:30
  Speaker 11: was author was Malcolm Mitchell, and this kid sure told me,
• 36:34
  Speaker 11: and I was absolutely wrong, So I thought that was
• 36:37
  Speaker 11: pretty cool.
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Malcolm Mitchell, solid guy. Mike and I got a
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: chance to do a long viewing of Super Bowl whatever.
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: The one that we came back from twenty eight to
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: three is fifty one. Yeah, he's a really good guy,
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: Malcolm Mitchell.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: Too bad about his injury. Yeah, what's your question?
• 36:52
  Speaker 11: Exacinitely what I was going to ask that relates directly
• 36:55
  Speaker 11: to my question, which is, if he didn't get injured,
• 36:58
  Speaker 11: do you think he would have really had a career
• 37:01
  Speaker 11: do you think.
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, would have been a solid I think a solid,
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: complimentary receiver.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: Leonard Myers, Yeah, type of player do you think.
• 37:10
  Speaker 12: Might have the narrative Leonard Morris, Brandon LaFell like that
• 37:18
  Speaker 12: kind of you know, just another you know, like I
• 37:21
  Speaker 12: would never say you would never have been probably the
• 37:23
  Speaker 12: number one unless you didn't have a good offense.
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: But I think he always would have been a contribute
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: David Gibbons's just like a contributing kind of receiver.
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: How many times Brady went to him in that game,
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: you know, like end of his whole gaear was starting
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: to come on, like.
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: He was he was he was a good player. Yeah,
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: he was good, not great, but good.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: Thanks Jason.
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: I think he would have been Julian Phoenix.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: From Saugus right sin. I was listening to The Kirk
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: Minihan Show in the Wednesday seven, nineteen episode. At about
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: the hour and eight minute mark, they were talking about
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: the Belichick hot seat. Kurt said that Paul is one
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: of the top five media nice guys, and his guest said,
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: Paul is an excellent writer. Whatever anyone thinks of Kirk.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: I had a super proud parent moment. As I've been
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: listening to you guys since I got my first iPod
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: in eight I found you searching Patriots on the podcast app.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: As always, your content is appreciated, keeping the fantastic work.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: So yeah, so that's exactly what the caller was saying.
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: And this was brought to my attention yesterday by a
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: buddy of mine. And like I do, like Kirk, and
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: you know, we did get along reasonably well. I don't
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: pretend to have known him exceptionally well, we did some
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: shows together and whatnot. But I took that as a
• 38:32
  Speaker 5: big compliment coming from him, because I know he tend
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: to everybody. Yeah, he tends to be critical of everyone
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: and everything, so I know they were, you know, Matt,
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: because Matt Morrell is a mini fan, so I knew
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: that he would be sort of up to speed on this,
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: and he played me the clip, and as I thought
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: when I heard my friend sent me this, you know,
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: Kirk Manahan just said that you were one of his
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: top five nice guys in the business. And I said
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: that had to have emanated from them making fun of
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: me for something, and it's true. They were. They were
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: kind of talking about the fact that I e. I
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: was so far scraping the bottom of the battle that
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: they had to get down to Perillo to get They
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: were quoting Perillo about something. I was like, that's a
• 39:19
  Speaker 5: bit of a shot. But then Kirk kind of rallied
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: to my defense, and then they were just talking about
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: how hard it is, like what Fred was talking about.
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: We need to do the best we can to be
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: as objective as we can to get that kind of legitimacy.
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: And you know, like Kirk said, you know, I'm sure
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: that if Paul finds out that they're firing Bill Belichick,
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: he can't report that, which is that's correct, Probably true,
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: that's correct, Probably true.
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, great writer, though that would that's the one that
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: would have stuck with me. I'm like, anytime you get
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: a writing compliment and the.
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: Guy, the guy who was moving fun anymore, I mean,
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: the guy who was making fun of me said that, Yeah,
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: so he's a great writer.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: Who was the other guy?
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: Matt doesn't even read, so take that as a ca him.
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: His name is Montante.
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: He's Jerry Callan's producer.
• 40:05
  Speaker 13: That's his name, Montante.
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: Like share just goes by Mikett.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: Let's go to haven't heard that's a big day for me, Paul.
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: You get a lot of flower Store, aren't you here? Deservedly?
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: So I know something's coming in the second half of
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: this show.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: Melvin's in Tennessee. Haven't heard from you in a while, Melvin?
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: What's up, sweet kid?
• 40:23
  Speaker 10: I was going on, Hey, I was just going to
• 40:27
  Speaker 10: talk about, like, of course, the state of the team
• 40:30
  Speaker 10: real you all talked about a lot on Tuesday, but
• 40:34
  Speaker 10: like a team that constructed to be a really good defense,
• 40:38
  Speaker 10: even if we're going to make some projections there, but
• 40:40
  Speaker 10: let's say the Patriots aretist really great defense or whatever,
• 40:44
  Speaker 10: how far did those teams actually normally go? You know what,
• 40:48
  Speaker 10: I'm saying, like, so a team that's really good on defense,
• 40:51
  Speaker 10: is that a couple of things has been able to
• 40:52
  Speaker 10: do it absolutely Denver, I think Seattle maybe made a
• 40:57
  Speaker 10: super Bowl world without allowing the team to score really
• 41:00
  Speaker 10: over twenty. They have to go all the way back
• 41:02
  Speaker 10: to maybe possible. So the point is like, even if
• 41:05
  Speaker 10: they are really good on defense, if you it's gonna
• 41:09
  Speaker 10: they win ten something games, they go to the playoffs,
• 41:13
  Speaker 10: you might be able to scrape a win down, kind
• 41:15
  Speaker 10: of like San Francisco and Dallas had that kind of
• 41:18
  Speaker 10: rock fight kind of game and then it comes to
• 41:20
  Speaker 10: that shootout and normally that team that's defensively structured can't
• 41:24
  Speaker 10: keep up. So that's kind of like the safe super
• 41:28
  Speaker 10: Bowl for any team that's constructed like that. It's kind
• 41:32
  Speaker 10: of hard for me to do opt the type of
• 41:34
  Speaker 10: teams normally, if they can make the playoffs, they normally
• 41:37
  Speaker 10: win a game and then they make that exit. So
• 41:39
  Speaker 10: we all know our record when other teams score over
• 41:41
  Speaker 10: twenty something points or whatever.
• 41:42
  Speaker 14: It is like that.
• 41:43
  Speaker 10: So as great as a defense is, that's great. I'm
• 41:46
  Speaker 10: not saying it doesn't matter, but I mean what you
• 41:48
  Speaker 10: do here you can score, you have.
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: To have a competent offense, and certainly you're gonna be
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: able to be competitive and win some games because your
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: defense is that good. If it is that good, but
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: the tea if you have no offense, then what happened
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: to San Francisco when the NFC championship is going to
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: happen to you? They had no I mean no, I'm
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: not blaming them. They were down in the fourth quarterback
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: you know, a few teams could overcome at.
• 42:14
  Speaker 10: Yep, right, And I'm just using them for an example
• 42:17
  Speaker 10: that was even yeah, we're using we're using them, But
• 42:20
  Speaker 10: they got a hell of good peoples on offense too.
• 42:21
  Speaker 10: It would have been a different game had that been
• 42:23
  Speaker 10: a scored. But I mean that it's just it's just
• 42:25
  Speaker 10: really tough to do. It's nothing, nothing hard. The way
• 42:28
  Speaker 10: they're constructed in the NFL today is just really hard
• 42:31
  Speaker 10: to really make a serious push and championship with teams
• 42:37
  Speaker 10: that's heavily structured on defense. And not to speak that
• 42:40
  Speaker 10: you are third or fourth probably your own division. So
• 42:44
  Speaker 10: just fight fight offense with a good offense. I hate
• 42:47
  Speaker 10: fighting offense with a good defense. It'll it'll do a
• 42:50
  Speaker 10: little bit for some part, But like I said, it
• 42:52
  Speaker 10: just cuts up to you. So unless they brew me wrong,
• 42:55
  Speaker 10: we'll see what they can do. But I can't get
• 42:57
  Speaker 10: too very excited about a deep playoffs.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think to say goes you know,
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: a good a good offense is a good defense. But
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: I don't think it goes the other way. A good
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: defense is a good offense.
• 43:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, now, Patriotstine. It used to be that way. Yeah,
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: like football forever was. You know, good defense will be
• 43:16
  Speaker 5: good offense, and good defense will help as sagging offense travels, right,
• 43:21
  Speaker 5: you know all those things. I just think it's gotten
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: so lopsided in terms of what wins in the game
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: over the last ten to fifteen years that it's hard
• 43:32
  Speaker 5: to imagine that happening very often. It can happen. There
• 43:35
  Speaker 5: will be a game this year that they're going to play,
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: could happen. Let's just say the opener Philadelphia, where the
• 43:41
  Speaker 5: defense is going to hold them to like, you know,
• 43:44
  Speaker 5: twenty points, nineteen point and everybody's like, see, you know what.
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: I don't think they'll be able to do that eleven
• 43:50
  Speaker 5: times when they because I think they play like eleven
• 43:53
  Speaker 5: reasonably productive quarterbacks. I don't think they'll be able to
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: do that you know, more than twice against those teams,
• 44:01
  Speaker 5: so they need to score.
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: Offense is a better predictor of your Super Bowl chances. Like,
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's how I'm not putting a lot of
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: thought into these numbers, but I would say, you know,
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: generally speaking, it's like I would probably say there's ten
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: to twelve championship defenses, but maybe only five or six
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: championship offenses. You know, like there's definitely some really good
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: defenses out there, but they just don't have the firepower
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: to you know, when the Kansas City AFC Championship happens
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: to be able to keep up, they would never would
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: have gotten through that game much less. You know, then
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: you get to the Super Bowl against the Rams and
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: you had a chance to, you know, defensively shut them down.
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: But it's just so much of it is a situational
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: who are you playing, who's available that week? Here's one
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: play at the end of the game. Does your guy
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: make it or not? It's not really is your defense
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: great or not, It's just whether or not one guy
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: makes a play. And that's usually what it comes down to.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: Well, EM's a fellam, what's up? Wellum, how you doing
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: all right?
• 44:50
  Speaker 10: Good.
• 44:52
  Speaker 8: All right, I'm sorry, I think the area is kind
• 44:55
  Speaker 8: of big. Yeah, okay, question is man, I just I
• 45:05
  Speaker 8: think I didn't talk about this. I mean, even though
• 45:07
  Speaker 8: y'all did talk about DeAndre Hopkins, doesn't y'all didn't say
• 45:11
  Speaker 8: just that just the second time that they passed out
• 45:13
  Speaker 8: opportunity of getting him. Yeah, I mean the first time
• 45:16
  Speaker 8: was when you could have got either him or Stefan Digg.
• 45:20
  Speaker 8: But then this time they didn't get him, you know,
• 45:24
  Speaker 8: this time and now he's what thirty four, he'll be
• 45:26
  Speaker 8: thirty one, but he can start. So so I mean
• 45:31
  Speaker 8: just going with what we got. It is what it is.
• 45:33
  Speaker 8: But my second part is like I was a little hardst.
• 45:38
  Speaker 10: Going last time.
• 45:39
  Speaker 8: I called it because I was just upset every time
• 45:41
  Speaker 8: the bill do free just eve in the draft or whatever.
• 45:43
  Speaker 8: I just I just get frustrated, you know. It's just
• 45:47
  Speaker 8: I mean, no harm chords it though, But I just want.
• 45:49
  Speaker 14: To say that.
• 45:52
  Speaker 8: If if he has a bad season of them, if
• 45:55
  Speaker 8: we're eight, nine, three and fifteen or even or nine whatever,
• 46:00
  Speaker 8: remove him a game, let's keep him as the coach.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's not happening. He's either all in or
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: he's out. I actually Okay, I mean, yeah, you're breaking
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: up a little, William, Sorry about that.
• 46:14
  Speaker 5: I actually think, you know, another element of this with
• 46:20
  Speaker 5: the Belichick hot seat that you opened with Freddie has
• 46:23
  Speaker 5: been you know, will it end badly? And I do
• 46:28
  Speaker 5: think that more than likely behind the scenes, there won't
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: be any you know, love lost, but I can see
• 46:35
  Speaker 5: a scenario where that's how it ends. Like, I do
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: think that Robert Kraft is cognizant of how great Belichick
• 46:43
  Speaker 5: has been and what he's done for the organization, and
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: I think he has tremendous respect for his accomplishments. So
• 46:49
  Speaker 5: he's probably not just gonna want to say, well, you know,
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: you didn't win, so you're fired. I think it'll be
• 46:54
  Speaker 5: something like that, Well, what if we what if we
• 46:58
  Speaker 5: took away your final say, what if we hired you know,
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: what if we made Elliott Wolfe the full or Matt
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: grow the full time general mano? What if we hired
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: some personnel chief to come in and oversee everything and
• 47:13
  Speaker 5: you just coach. I'm a fred I don't think it'll work,
• 47:16
  Speaker 5: but I think that might be, yeah, Robert starting point.
• 47:20
  Speaker 5: Robert might know that right right, it's not going to
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: work with the end game is going to be. You
• 47:23
  Speaker 5: start making working conditions a little bit more difficult, and
• 47:26
  Speaker 5: that maybe greases the skids. I think that could happen
• 47:29
  Speaker 5: something like that. I don't mean right now, I just
• 47:31
  Speaker 5: mean that that could be how it ends.
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I mean, I mean, I think directly related
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: to that. It's just, you know how I mean, I'd
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: say it till I'm blue in the face of the
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: you know, needing the young guys to develop this year,
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: and if that doesn't continue to happen, you know, it's
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: just it's more of an indictment of you know, look,
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: Casario left, you brought in, you know, Mac grow, you
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: have a whole new kind of personnel department. We're giving
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: these guys a chance. We're giving their players that they
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: selected a couple of years to develop, and you know,
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: if it doesn't happen, then you know, where where do
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: the changes go?
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: So of all the things we've talked about so far,
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: what do you think is elicited the most emails?
• 48:06
  Speaker 5: Me and Kirk Minihan, Oh, uniforms?
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: What else? I'll get to them later.
• 48:12
  Speaker 5: I was joking.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: Darryln Virginia writes in I'd like to preface my email
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: by saying I love Bill Belichick, but he has me
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: on the ropes. My question is, are fans overlooking how
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: difficult it is to be a head coach in the NFL.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: It has to be hard to build a stable system,
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: develop the team, and flip the roster and coaching staff
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: when things go wrong. Lastly, what's the threshold unquestionable decisions?
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: The compilation of our personal decisions over the last five
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: or six years outside of Duggar and Gonzo don't give
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: me a warm and fuzzy when it comes to doing
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: what's in the best interest of the team. So I
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: guess he's saying, I don't know, audience undecided whether or
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: not he wants to keep build.
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: It seems like he's doing what everybody's doing and kind
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: of weighing all the different.
• 48:56
  Speaker 5: Yea and the whole thing, you know, ending badly. I
• 48:59
  Speaker 5: just wanted to sort of put a bow on that, like,
• 49:01
  Speaker 5: I think that when it does end, let's say that
• 49:03
  Speaker 5: it ends before he breaks the record. I think once
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: he breaks the record, I think we can all sit
• 49:08
  Speaker 5: there and say, like, Okay, well what the time, you know,
• 49:11
  Speaker 5: But if it ends before he breaks the record, my
• 49:14
  Speaker 5: guess is it's gonna be Bill will resign. It's not
• 49:18
  Speaker 5: going to be a firing.
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: No.
• 49:20
  Speaker 5: Now, it may be a quote unquote resignation that you
• 49:25
  Speaker 5: read between the lines on you know, but I don't
• 49:28
  Speaker 5: think it's going to be a public firing. I just
• 49:30
  Speaker 5: don't see it again unless it just completely bottoms up.
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: It'd be interesting to see how the fans kind of
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: evolve on it, because so much Eyre is kind of
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: directed towards him right now, and you know, and there
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: were certainly a segment of the fan base that was
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: upset when Brady left too, But you know, now that
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: Brady's retired, it seems like the love festus back on
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: with New England, and I just I wonder what it
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: will be like with Bill and that, you know, like
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: after whenever he does leave, when he does come back
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: and all the you know, awards and Hall of Fame
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: inductions and all that stuff starts to happen.
• 49:57
  Speaker 5: The fan you know, are the fans right back on.
• 49:59
  Speaker 4: He ours he's the greatest coach of all time, and
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: it just like they are with Brady or I don't know,
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: I just always sense a level of resentment towards him
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: that just never really existed with Tom Brady.
• 50:09
  Speaker 5: There are still people. It's a smaller group, it's a
• 50:11
  Speaker 5: much smaller group, but there are still people. I had
• 50:14
  Speaker 5: some of my my timeline, by the way, who knew that,
• 50:17
  Speaker 5: like you know, like things like not signing DeAndre Hopkins
• 50:22
  Speaker 5: could elicit the amount of it was My Twitter feed
• 50:27
  Speaker 5: was on Faia as they say, you know, over the
• 50:31
  Speaker 5: last couple of days. And there's still that element of
• 50:34
  Speaker 5: people like Bill created Tom, Bill carried Tom like it's
• 50:40
  Speaker 5: not or Les. It's not as big as it was.
• 50:42
  Speaker 5: And again Fred and I will tell you we were
• 50:44
  Speaker 5: in that camp. Both of us were in that camp
• 50:47
  Speaker 5: while it was going on. But I think we've kind
• 50:50
  Speaker 5: of softened that stance, you know, over the last five years.
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: Well, I think Bill helped Tom. There's no doubt here.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: Tom said.
• 50:58
  Speaker 5: Helping him is not carrying creating him.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: Dennis and East Boston wants to talk about Bill. I
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: understand choices don't always work out exactly his planned as
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: they're done by humans and as much info as they
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: have at the time. If Bill knew the outcome of
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: fourth and two, do you think he would have had
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: the offense run the same play go ahead with the
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: snark jab Paul, it's very annoying.
• 51:21
  Speaker 5: If it didn't work, why would you do the same thing.
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: It's very annoying as a listener to sit here and
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: constantly here second guessing of Belichick because the team is
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: five hundred since Brady spoiled spoil listeners. We know Brady
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: is unlike any other professional athlete, and it's not even
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: close in my opinion. But to think Belichick doesn't know
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: what he's doing anymore because decisions he makes don't always
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: turn out the way we want, or that Paul and
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: Evan think they actually know a better way to draft
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: or play call is laughable.
• 51:50
  Speaker 5: I told you the second half of the show would
• 51:52
  Speaker 5: be back.
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: Get ready for Paul to say I never said I
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: know more than Bill, of course not, and get ready
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: for him after that predicted line to double con Yeah,
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: because I never said that Bill has so much more
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: information and data on every decision he makes than the
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: rest of us combined times a ten thousand. Just because
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: in hindsight decisions don't work out doesn't mean you or
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: I know better. Bill spends hours and hours per day
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: working on his team. He knows what he's going what's
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: going on, He knows the feel of the game. He
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: knows what conversations actually happened between people him and Brady.
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: Despite what Tom Curran and Ben Leer Vohlan report, I
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: didn't say, liar, he did. I love Brady and without him,
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: the unimaginable level of success wasn't possible. But people need
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: to wake up and realize how lucky they are that
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: Bill Belichick has been the head coach and architect of
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: their favorite team, and how different it would have been
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: to be a fan of the of anyone else since
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: oh one. I would be extremely disappointed as a die
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: hard fan. And Bill doesn't get to leave when he chooses.
• 52:57
  Speaker 5: I think that's the way it will end. I think
• 52:59
  Speaker 5: Bill will get to college shot. I agree with Fred
• 53:01
  Speaker 5: on that. I agree with the email what was the
• 53:02
  Speaker 5: email's name.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: On that I missed Dennis from Boston?
• 53:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I would. I think Belichick's accomplishments are just absolutely unimaginable.
• 53:11
  Speaker 5: To use Dennis's word, I just I'm not a big
• 53:15
  Speaker 5: fan of the majority of that paragraph where it was
• 53:18
  Speaker 5: like how much more information? All right? So you want
• 53:23
  Speaker 5: us all out of jobs? I get it. No one
• 53:24
  Speaker 5: likes the media, I get it, But like our job
• 53:27
  Speaker 5: is to sort of talk about and analyze what's going on.
• 53:30
  Speaker 5: No one pretends to have all the information. You know,
• 53:34
  Speaker 5: who's a terrible NFL coach? Just give me a guy
• 53:38
  Speaker 5: that you think was a really bad NFL coach off
• 53:40
  Speaker 5: the top of your heads. Pick anybody. Okay, Do you
• 53:43
  Speaker 5: think Eric Mangini didn't spend hours and hours and hours
• 53:46
  Speaker 5: going over all these details got him?
• 53:49
  Speaker 4: That's the job.
• 53:49
  Speaker 5: Do you think he didn't have conversations where he had Yeah,
• 53:53
  Speaker 5: they all do. They all put in countless hours. You know,
• 53:57
  Speaker 5: it's a very abnormal job. It's a healthy.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: Sometimes the worse they are, the more hours they put in.
• 54:03
  Speaker 5: Like I would never sit there and say, well, Belichick
• 54:06
  Speaker 5: doesn't know what he's doing because he doesn't put the
• 54:08
  Speaker 5: work in. No one would say that. And it's not
• 54:12
  Speaker 5: second guessing all the time. We're not second guessing putting
• 54:16
  Speaker 5: Matt Patricia as your offensive coordinator. No one's second guessed that.
• 54:20
  Speaker 5: People first guessed it when it happened. Everybody said what
• 54:23
  Speaker 5: are we doing?
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 54:24
  Speaker 5: Except me except for Fred? But I think you would
• 54:28
  Speaker 5: sort of yeah, playing the playing good cop I.
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: Was wrong, No, playing good cops. I actually thought I
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: don't want to go over it. I thought it could work.
• 54:36
  Speaker 5: But anyway, I mean, obviously it could work. And I
• 54:39
  Speaker 5: don't ever think for a second that Belichick did it
• 54:41
  Speaker 5: because he knew it wasn't going to work. I think
• 54:43
  Speaker 5: he thought about it, and he's he's a human being,
• 54:47
  Speaker 5: Like I don't kill him for that. I think it
• 54:50
  Speaker 5: was a bad choice, that's all.
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: If he had stuck with it, it had been even worse,
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: you know, which I think he may have wanted to
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: be from Brooklyn. He also says Bill getting too much hate.
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: He says, despite everyone being frustrated and upset, I'm pretty
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: satisfied with this offseason, especially if we land for net.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: If you told me three quarters of the way through
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: last season that we were going to have an actual
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: OC and Bill O'Brien signed Juju, Gasiki and Fornette and
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: draft Gonzales, I'd be very happy. I mean, we're in
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: a run first offense that improved their pass catchers a bit,
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: will hopefully add another very solid veteran run back running back.
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: I feel like people get too attached to the big names.
• 55:32
  Speaker 5: I think people are putting too much into replacing guys
• 55:35
  Speaker 5: who left as being a massive upgrade.
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: I hope and I hope we're not a run first
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: offense because unless you've got your guy from Tennessee, it's
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: hard to be a run first offense in this league.
• 55:48
  Speaker 5: But I mean, I think the only one that I'm
• 55:50
  Speaker 5: convinced is a significant upgrade is Gasiki Ova Jonah Smith,
• 55:54
  Speaker 5: Like I think Juju can be better than Jacoby Myers,
• 55:58
  Speaker 5: and I think Fournette can be better than Damien Harrick.
• 56:00
  Speaker 4: I'm with you.
• 56:01
  Speaker 5: Can be can be, but they're very similar. Like if
• 56:05
  Speaker 5: I was more high, I don't understand why, Like I
• 56:07
  Speaker 5: would look and say if you had told me I
• 56:09
  Speaker 5: was going to add Kasiki, Juju and four net, but
• 56:14
  Speaker 5: did you also tell me I was going to lose
• 56:16
  Speaker 5: Myers and Smith and Harris, Like did you tell me
• 56:20
  Speaker 5: both of those things? Are just one of those things.
• 56:22
  Speaker 4: It's probably superficial but marginal improvement for me. With Juju,
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: I was, I was pretty high on him when they
• 56:28
  Speaker 4: signed him. But I mean, it's Jacoby Myers availability of
• 56:32
  Speaker 4: always being there, just the fact that he wasn't here
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: this spring. It's just it's kind of put a bad
• 56:36
  Speaker 4: initial taste in my mouth about it.
• 56:37
  Speaker 5: The guy tweeted me yesterday and said, Jacoby Myers will
• 56:42
  Speaker 5: catch the ball, either fall down or go down as
• 56:45
  Speaker 5: soon as he catches it, while Juju will run after
• 56:49
  Speaker 5: the catch. Let that marinate.
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: Aupit oh, I love to let that marinate.
• 56:53
  Speaker 5: Let that sink in. So let the fact that they
• 56:54
  Speaker 5: both average twelve yards to catch marinate a little bit. Yeah,
• 56:57
  Speaker 5: well exactly twelve yards twelve point zero yards per catch.
• 57:01
  Speaker 4: I don't know how it's all going to translate, but
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: I just, I mean, you go off of your first
• 57:04
  Speaker 4: impressions and we haven't even seen him yet, so I
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: just I hope, I know he said he's ready to go,
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: But I'm with you right now. It's a it's a
• 57:10
  Speaker 4: show me for Juju. I got to get out there
• 57:12
  Speaker 4: and see him thine and we'll just consistency, Like I'll.
• 57:16
  Speaker 5: Bring up another thing from the podcast for you, Mike'll
• 57:18
  Speaker 5: lecturings and things. Yeah, I'll let you. Let you weigh in,
• 57:21
  Speaker 5: because who do you think will be the and I'm
• 57:24
  Speaker 5: not talking about like maybe statistically, but who do you
• 57:27
  Speaker 5: think will be the quote unquote number one receiver?
• 57:29
  Speaker 4: He's Juju?
• 57:30
  Speaker 5: I do too, I do too. I like I think
• 57:33
  Speaker 5: it'll be Jujus misuss Andy thought it would be.
• 57:35
  Speaker 4: Born born and that's that's I mean, that's an interesting
• 57:38
  Speaker 4: picky as a kind of unexpected one. I mean, I
• 57:41
  Speaker 4: I think it has to be Juju. I just don't
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: know how it could be anyone else.
• 57:44
  Speaker 5: I don't think that what we've seen is that's what
• 57:46
  Speaker 5: Mac likes the most.
• 57:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree.
• 57:49
  Speaker 5: Like he went to Jacoby Myers more than the other guys.
• 57:51
  Speaker 5: It wasn't just because of Jacoby Myers. I think he's
• 57:54
  Speaker 5: more comfortable making those throws.
• 57:56
  Speaker 4: And I don't think it's Sicky get the volume, but
• 57:58
  Speaker 4: I think he'll be he'll be an issue for defenses
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: if I think Bill.
• 58:01
  Speaker 5: O'Brien will use him right. And as we amended it to,
• 58:04
  Speaker 5: like maybe a guy that ten weeks into the season,
• 58:06
  Speaker 5: we're saying, Wow, you know Mac and Blank really developed
• 58:10
  Speaker 5: a great rapport and playmaking ability that we're going to
• 58:14
  Speaker 5: be talking about ten weeks into the season that we're
• 58:16
  Speaker 5: not talking about now.
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: Gas.
• 58:17
  Speaker 5: Sicky was my pick for that, and in many way
• 58:20
  Speaker 5: it just has to be, you know, every difficulty better
• 58:22
  Speaker 5: on paper than John hu Smith. That one. I mean,
• 58:25
  Speaker 5: that's the one that.
• 58:27
  Speaker 4: On the practice field too, And that's one like you know,
• 58:29
  Speaker 4: in the first spring, like not the first spring when everybody,
• 58:33
  Speaker 4: when everybody was gaga over John H. Smith still just
• 58:35
  Speaker 4: always thought he looks never ever happened on the ever.
• 58:39
  Speaker 4: He just always looked cunky, and they would they would
• 58:40
  Speaker 4: feed him that little underneath crosser and he's running off
• 58:43
  Speaker 4: the sidelines.
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: And that looks in true.
• 58:44
  Speaker 5: Remember the preseason game when he caught the shallow cross
• 58:47
  Speaker 5: we got like thirty yards.
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: Everybody, everybody was going crazy.
• 58:51
  Speaker 5: It was crazy, but.
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: It finally got an athletic but in.
• 58:54
  Speaker 5: The game, but in the games it never materialized. Always
• 58:57
  Speaker 5: looked clunky and just right from that, what was the
• 58:59
  Speaker 5: same game, Like the third game of the year when
• 59:02
  Speaker 5: he had the ball go off his hands and picked
• 59:04
  Speaker 5: off the touchdown.
• 59:05
  Speaker 4: There were so many of those two just bad plays,
• 59:08
  Speaker 4: bad bad caddy ad caddy.
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's see go back to the ace ticket utline smoking.
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: Sam is in Montana. What's up, Sam? Hey?
• 59:21
  Speaker 9: Can you hear me?
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: Yes, all the way from Montana, I can hear you.
• 59:26
  Speaker 9: I had a question. So we were talking about hanging
• 59:28
  Speaker 9: our head on defense maybe this year, and I heard
• 59:31
  Speaker 9: a lot of so much hype about Christianansalis, but I
• 59:35
  Speaker 9: haven't been clear on what we expect of him, so like,
• 59:39
  Speaker 9: in reality, he was the third cornerback taken in the
• 59:42
  Speaker 9: second half of the draft. Are we expecting like Sauce
• 59:46
  Speaker 9: Gardner from him or more of like Derek Stingely in
• 59:49
  Speaker 9: his first year.
• 59:51
  Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know about camp I mean, I
• 59:53
  Speaker 4: just look. My thing is, I think he's athletic enough
• 59:55
  Speaker 4: to play right away. I think he's still twenty one,
• 59:57
  Speaker 4: He's you know, he just he looks young. He seems
• 59:59
  Speaker 4: a little young to me. I'm prepared that he's gonna
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 4: have some growing pains, like it's it's I think you
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 4: should play a lot right out of the gate. But
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 4: I don't think that he's.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: You know, he's fast, He's he seems, you know, really
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: outside length.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 5: He's a little bit more like Tarik Wooland I think,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 5: but you know, in terms of you know, the size, speed,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 5: I don't know if that means he's gonna have that
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 5: kind of a year. Like I don't necessarily worry. Well,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 5: he's the third corner in the second half of the draft.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 5: Wooln was like a fourth round pick, so he I
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 5: mean a lot of people think that he was every
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 5: bit as good, if not better than Sauce. Yeah, but
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 5: I would just be happy. He doesn't need to get
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 5: to that level. Those Both of those guys had great
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 5: rookie years, but there have been a lot of good
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 5: rookie year like Patrick Chutan was good right away. Jac
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 5: Horn got hurt, then he played pretty well right away,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 5: like there have been some good young corners coming into
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 5: the league recently, and he's here's a hot take for you.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 5: I have a theory as to why what do we
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 5: keep saying about the wide receivers, How they're so much
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 5: better when they come right into the league. And it's
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 5: the sort of advent of those spread offenses in the
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 5: college game in the seven on sevenths Well, who plays
• 1:01:14
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  Speaker 2: They're going better.
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  Speaker 5: And there's probably not enough of a sample size to
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  Speaker 5: don't need him to go out and shut everybody down.
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  Speaker 5: That's unrealistic and that's not their defense.
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  Speaker 2: I think. I think if he's going to be good,
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  Speaker 2: think you'll see signs of it right away, Like okay, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you know I.
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  Speaker 9: Would agree with that. I just there seems to be
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  Speaker 5: Well he's he's gonna get I think he'll be in
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I think too when people talk about gonzales Is,
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  Speaker 4: it's a lot of times true the lens of like
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 4: that they play man defense on every single snap, and
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 4: there's so much more to their defense of what they
• 1:02:10
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  Speaker 4: stuff that they do that you know, it's it's not
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  Speaker 4: going to be him following a guy around. And I
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  Speaker 4: just I think even just inserted into zone defenses, his
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• 1:02:24
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  Speaker 4: but I'm kind of expecting a quiet rookiear like he's
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 4: out there, he's probably gonna get burned a couple of times,
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  Speaker 4: going to make a couple of plays, Like there'll be
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  Speaker 4: a couple that go that way and I'm sure he'll,
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  Speaker 4: you know, with his athleticism, he'll break off and make
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 4: a couple of interceptions. But you know, I'm just expecting.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 4: Like he looks athletic, he fits a role.
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  Speaker 5: Is he a shutdown court?
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• 1:02:46
  Speaker 4: like I said before, they've done such a great job
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  Speaker 24: Um.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So we're talking about a lot of things, a
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  Speaker 4: Uniforms.
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  Speaker 23: All right, I'm doing pretty good.
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  Speaker 23: How do you feel aboutland? So I didn't get a
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  Speaker 23: just a number two or number three.
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  Speaker 5: Well, he's always hurt that one here, Yeah, I mean
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 5: he's always injured. I I like the talent, but you
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 5: never really uh, I can't seem to stay on the field.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 23: See he dexport reception last year two or six yards
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 23: and three touchdown, but he was out with a couple
• 1:15:26
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  Speaker 5: Oh, I think I think he'd be a better option
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  Speaker 5: I like him, I liked I like Colton's I like
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  Speaker 5: the Broncos receivers. And again, I'm not sure why everybody
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  Speaker 23: No, not Jews, no, suff Sudden was just mad about
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  Speaker 14: He just grunt him, just like.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 23: You get ready to cut me him.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, Mims and Sutton are not similar in any
• 1:16:08
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• 1:16:10
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• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: I will say, Yo, you bring in you bring in
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• 1:16:17
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• 1:16:21
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• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: team by getting him out of here on the field
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: because he's more worried about getting everything right.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 5: There have been a lot of talks lately about being available.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, thanks.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 5: I would take him, but I mean, what are you
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 5: going to give up for him?
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 4: Well, I just think like the position weren't if I
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 4: was in Sean Payton's position, I wouldn't be getting rid
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 4: of anybody at receiver like and I have all the
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 4: young guys.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: Unless the guy is ruining my locker room.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 5: Right, But I'm a new coach.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 4: I can maybe sweet talk him a little bit and
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 4: say things are going to be different, like if I
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 4: have you know, I mean, Patriots fans are craving any
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 4: of these, you know, Broncos receivers like but if I like,
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 4: what I've learned from watching the Patriots, what they've gone
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 4: through is that if you have a young, talented wide
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 4: receiver who can produce in this league that like you,
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 4: you can't just ship them off for like a six
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 4: round pick because they don't they don't like their contract,
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 4: Like I just I think the ship has sailed for
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 4: giving up anything significant at this point.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 5: Well and then okay, so even if you if you,
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 5: let's say you get them. So he's disgruntled with his
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 5: contract in Denver, so and Denver has to get rid
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 5: of him because he's disgruntled. He's going to get gruntled
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 5: in this contract.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: He wants money if he's.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 5: But but you're not going to give it to him, right,
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 5: if you were going to give it to him, you
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 5: would have just given it to the Hopkins.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, Lars is in Camp Pendleton. What's up, Lars?
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: Thank you for your service. What's going on? You wonder attack.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 5: A Marine Corps phone?
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 4: Some one of those military phones is like a big bra.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 5: Oh there you go. That was good.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 14: Yeah, apologies to that. I just I just like stepped
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 14: into some wind. But anybody luxury sure. I just want
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 14: to say Fred, first, I was on that Christia and
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 14: Judge might work Islands with you, So I'll take my
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 14: lagellation on that as well. Yep, I thought, oh yeah,
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 14: you know, especially when Mayo was getting head coach. Looked
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 14: I said, I think you said something about like, you know,
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 14: a coach and the coach and adding head coaches to
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 14: the roster seemed like a good idea proven wrong anyway. Okay,
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 14: So I have scenario for you guys to contract and
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 14: eager to hit your opinions because I thought with Hopkins,
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 14: I thought maybe he would be the piece that would
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 14: push the offense board. If if you guys were staying
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 14: the other day, if Mac developed, then you know, there's
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 14: a kind of a ceiling on the weapons that we
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 14: have now. Even if Mac makes a step forward, and
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 14: I just felt like, you know, maybe you would be
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 14: the difference we makes the playoffs and not having a
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 14: real weapon. But then I started thinking about all of
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 14: the kind of guys north of thirty who had been
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 14: very prolific receivers and uh, you know Mary's Thomas, h
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 14: You've guys brought up Poachers, Sinco, and then there's like
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 14: a whole list of other ones that never worked and
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 14: get out Campion, Reggie, Wayne's, Tory Holt and Paras Thomas. Anyway,
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 14: so I'm just thinking like what is more likely? Uh
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 14: would Bill Hopkins have a couple more really productive seasons?
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 14: So could he flame out?
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: Uh?
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 14: You know, not being able to U you need to
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 14: see it towards the thirties, and uh do you think
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 14: that's that's built mentality's rather tick up one of those guys.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 14: It's like no risk bargain bin and that's reflected in
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 14: the potential like incentive late contact up. So I guess
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 14: it's much more likely, Uh do we not get in
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 14: the playoffs because you know, Max develops and we don't
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 14: have a piece to push us over the top for
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 14: Seahawks playman.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: Thank you all right? Thanks what was the second one?
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: Do hop flaming out? I think the hop is going
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: to have a couple of good years.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I did too, And I think there was no
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 5: risk to that either. I don't think that was a
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 5: risky signing.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: No, it really wasn't.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 5: Like they didn't give him like fifty million guaranteed, where
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 5: if he flames out in year one, you're stuck with
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 5: this contract like it's like thirteen million for one year basically,
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 5: and if he doesn't work out and you cut him, I.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 4: Just wonder what does it look like that that they're
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 4: good on offense, but they're they were one piece away, Like.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 5: I don't know how to identify.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 4: I don't know what that looks like exactly. Because I
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 4: think if mac Is is as good as he needs
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 4: to be, that that they could probably get to where
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 4: they would have been with Hopkins if that they didn't
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 4: have him. I just I just don't know if it's
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 4: going to be good enough overall and that that you know,
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 4: even even if you if you had him, that maybe
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 4: you could talk yourself into having enough. But right now,
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 4: I just I don't think they have enough. And it's
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 4: hard to say.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 5: It's it's real, it's a great question by Lars, but
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 5: it's it's really hard to answer because of that, Like, well,
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 5: my instinct would be what you're just saying, if they're close,
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 5: then Max should have enough yeah to do it. Yeah right,
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 5: but then maybe Ma's not good enough and it wouldn't
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 5: matter if it was hard.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: I don't know that was going to be my question
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: to do. It's like, with what they have right now,
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: how good does Mac need to be to get them
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: into the playoffs and win a playoff game?
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 4: I mean really good, really good? You know, a top
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 4: ten quarterback in the league.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: I was really that good.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you know I would tend to agree with that.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 5: I think that they need the offense to lift to
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 5: another level, and I don't think they have exceptional talent
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 5: on offense, So the quarterback is going to need to
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 5: really rise.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 4: I think he needs to be you know, mistake free
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 4: mostly and when the game's on the line, he's locked
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 4: in and.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 5: Like productive, you know, he needs to be productive. Like
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 5: the red zone. Thinking of the red zone. Last year,
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 5: they didn't have a ton of red zone turnovers, but
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 5: they couldn't score in the red zone, you know what
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 5: I mean.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, let's go to Aaron in Atlanta. What's up, Aaron?
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 5: Aaron?
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: Aaron in Atlanta?
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 5: Is upstairs? Is upstairs?
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 25: Guys going? Oh there are what happened listening the first time?
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 4: Call her?
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: Are you in the underground?
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 8: No, I'm not.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 25: I'll show it you on speaker.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: Is that still a thing in Atlanta? Do they still
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: have the underground?
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 23: Yeah?
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 7: They do.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I once said I went to a restaurant in
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: the underground. It was a fondue restaurant.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 5: What is the underground?
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 4: What does that mean?
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: It's like a whole wall under the ground.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I didn't go to that when I went there.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 25: Sorry, Aaron, that's okay. So I have two things, Mike.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 25: I love your signce held references. I get a big
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 25: crack out of them every time.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 8: Uh.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: And then two sorry, go ahead, no it is yours.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 25: Okay, Sorry, I have a quick thought. I'll like to
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 25: hear your opinions on Okay. So the other day I
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 25: was listening to Catch twenty two and they brought up
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 25: something that I feel like doesn't get talked about it
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 25: enough in conversations. I've heard people often comment about how
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 25: our defense falls off or it can't finish games. Last season,
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 25: especially but they don't mention that the defense is on
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 25: the field a lot more than the opposing defenses. I
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 25: just feel like if the offense was even middle of
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 25: the road, which I feel like it is a consensus
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 25: where we're going to be, like, can strength some drives together,
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 25: it'll help the defense out tremendously.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah, offense definitely helps defense, no question, Mike. Do you
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 5: have numbers on that.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 4: I have some numbers out that we're interesting. Just you know,
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 4: take what you will. But offense was was twenty eighth
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 4: in the league, and time for drive not time for possession,
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 4: but average drive time was twenty eight The defense was sixteenth,
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 4: so it wasn't you know they I mean, I guess
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 4: that's not really answering what we want, though we really
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 4: want time on is.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: Did the defense spend too much time on the field
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: because the offense.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 4: Couldn't put put together drive?
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 5: Do you have an answer to that?
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 4: Not really not, not not in front of.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 5: Me, because I kind of think they were middle of
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 5: the pack in that defensive wise, like time of possession.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 5: I think they had some games that it was really bad,
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 5: but I think they had others that it wasn't. I
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 5: think the defense had problems. It was weird because I
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 5: thought the defense played really well at times. Obviously they
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 5: scored a ton of touchdowns. They they caused some turnovers
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 5: and had a lot of sacks. But I think they
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 5: really struggled in on third down, you know, for large
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 5: stretches of the year, certainly against the better teams, and
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 5: then in the red zone at times. So it was
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 5: kind of uneven defensively. And you know, you can go
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 5: to like the age old thing, the cliche about the
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 5: quarterbacks when they played the better teams, the numbers were
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 5: probably skewed a little bit bad.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the numbers back the I mean twenty first on
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 4: third down and twenty second in red zone. I mean,
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 4: just you know those are the.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 5: See Fred you just watch just why don't need stets.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: Let's go to Eddie in California. What's up Eddie?
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 4: So guys, I hope you guys are doing good.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 26: I kind of want to touch on what you guys
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 26: mentioned earlier about how if Mac Jones can be the
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 26: guy for us, how everything could be better. And I
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 26: kind of want to say that if Bill O'Brien can
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 26: be the elite offensive coordinator that we need and Mac
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 26: Jones can be that guy, even if it's just like
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 26: Kirk Cousins, serviceable and not not like something elite. I
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 26: think what we have now can get it done. Like
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 26: I kind of want to compare it to the Giants
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 26: last year. I mean, like they had no elite receivers.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 26: Daniel Jones is like not the best passing. I know
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 26: he has that running factor, and I know they have Saquon,
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 26: but I just I don't think they had anything elite
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 26: in receiving. And I agree Andre Stevenson can kind of
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 26: lead like Saquon, but I do think we need another
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 26: running back, hopefully one that has more of a receiving upside.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 26: And I just wish they would call of Kurring just
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 26: because of his receiving upside is so good. But I
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 26: just wanted to know what you guys think about that.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I listen, I have hope, I have hope.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: I said I'm entering this season with hope, not expectation, hope.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 5: I mean I tie it to what I just said.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 4: And you know, I think the Kirk Cousins comp is
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 4: one that gets put out there a lot. But I
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 4: mean he has Justin Jefferson and he you know, had
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 4: Adam feeling. So it's it's it's translating that to Mac.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 4: If Mac had those guys, could a performance as good
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 4: as Kirk Cousins be enough? Like maybe that's why I
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 4: think Mac needs to be better than that, because he
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 4: doesn't have, you know, a Justin Jefferson on the field
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 4: for him. So I mean, I I really still believe
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 4: that if Mac takes a big leap forward, the offense
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 4: is all clicking, that that they have enough to be
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 4: competitive with every team they play. I just I I
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 4: haven't really seen it in a while from Max, so
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 4: I'm a little bit skeptical that he's going to be
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 4: able to play to a level to raise that whole shit.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 5: And I also think like people have thrown that, you know,
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 5: the Cousins won around a lot, and this one is
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 5: now starting to get more traction with the Daniel Jones,
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 5: and I would argue, I don't think you want Daniel Jones.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 5: Like everybody that talks about it completely glosses over the
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 5: running first of all, like that's like that's not a
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 5: part of it. Huge, Like the whole Giants offense with
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 5: Saquon Barkley and Daniel Jones running, like that's why they
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 5: he's right, It's absolutely right. They don't have great receivers,
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 5: they didn't have a high powered offense. They did just
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 5: enough offensively, just enough defensively. They want a lot of
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 5: close games. They were competitive, they played hard, and they
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 5: were kind of, you know, an average team when the
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 5: day was all over. I mean, they were competitive. But
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 5: I don't think you want Daniel Jones. I don't think
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 5: that's what you want Mac Jones to be. No, and
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 5: I don't think he's as good as Daniel Jones right
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 5: now because of the running, Like I think people just
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 5: forget that part, like he can be Jalen Hurts like
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 5: you just got to get him AJ brutt like, well,
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 5: Jalen Hurts is Jalen Hurts because he does two things,
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 5: not just one.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: Jjn LA. About uniforms, I'm team nineties. That's the era
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: I became a Patriots fan. It's an option to use
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: in Madden and they look amazing as well as all
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: silver uniforms with red shoes. I hope to see.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 5: Them in their future silver also it's like the tin Man. Yeah,
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 5: the uniform. I'm not surprised.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: Fred Gerald and Grimsby going to have to disagree with
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: Fred growing up in Montreal in the seventies and eighties,
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: where the AFC broadcasts were the Patriots and the NFC
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 2: was the Giants. I chose the team with the cooler
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 2: logo and became a Patriots fan, Love Grogan to Morgan, Moses, Mooses, Claiborne,
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: La pet and Tip Tippett and on and on. I
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: remember buying my first football magazine and the only logo
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: I like better than the Patriots was the Broncos pat
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 2: Patriot was by far and is the best Patriot logo
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: to me. Well, you don't know from logos.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 5: What other magazines did you buy? So that's funny. He
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 5: mentioned the Broncos logo and we were talking earlier.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: By the way, I was a Broncos fan. That wasn't
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: a good logo.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 5: Okay, I wasn't necessarily talking better, you know, logos compared
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 5: to the other ones. But I'd take if I were
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 5: a Denver fan, I'd take those uniforms over the ones
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 5: that they changed to every day of the week. Yeah yeah,
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 5: they were much better. Yeah yeah, but the but the
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 5: blue sleeves on the the blue stripes on the sleeve.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 4: You know, you see the new Cleveland ones too. They
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 4: went to like a white helmet I think was an
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 4: alter alternate.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that. I think the Patriots.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 5: I saw the Colts are wearing a black alternate helmet,
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 5: which I hadn't seen before. That looked all right.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: The Patriots, when they wear their red jerseys, should have well,
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: they have the white helmet for the throwback, but they
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 2: their alternate jersey should be red with the new logo
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: and a white helmet with the new logo. Get rid
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: of silver. You know we don't like the from silver.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 5: You don't know from silver.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: No, it's red, white, and blue where patriots.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 5: You're right, you know we are all Patriots after all.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 2: Rick and Louisville. I'm completely with you Fred on grown
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 2: adult fascination with uniforms, But I do have one major
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 2: pet peeve, and it happens more in college teams need
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: to wear their colors. When I turn on a game
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: and Oregon is in pink or Oklahoma's weren't gray, come on,
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: if I can't recognize you and I can't be alone
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: in this, there's a problem.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 5: I'm with Rick. I mean, it's hard to figure out
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 5: when you put a college game on, who's playing.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: I mean shouldn't Oregon wear yellow, green and white instead
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: of pink, black and whatever.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 5: Well, the only thing about pink is sometimes that's for
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 5: a cause. Yeah, So I'm gonna rest. Can want to
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 5: push back, but yeah, I mean it might be in
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 5: the middle of October.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: Could wy Oklahoma where orange and black? Miami where aqua
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: and orange. It's stupid and it drives me nuts.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 5: Okay, Oklahoma state orange and black.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there you go.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: Jack about the logo absence makes the Heart grow fonder.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's true. Is some truth to that apparently. So
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 5: because I'm with Fred, I went through the nineties that
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 5: was I was a season ticket holder from ninety three
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 5: to when Fred hired me in ninety nine, and I
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 5: don't remember the people say the best, and I don't
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 5: remember a lot of praise for the uniform.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 4: And they don't spark anything in you that was like
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 4: the highlight of when you were, you know, having fun.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 5: No, But I'm more on the Fred's side, like there's
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 5: really nothing they were gonna wear that's gonna spark it. Now.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 5: I liked the seventies, the late seventies.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 4: Look.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 5: I liked the white shirts with the red pants that
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 5: they went to in like seventy nine ish, But like,
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 5: do I have to have that? No, it's not really.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: I think this. I think Sutton is way more of
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 2: a Patriots player than Hopkins. He's everything they look for,
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: cheap and often injured.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 5: Oh you know, you know it's when where I did.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 5: I did want to because I looked up his stats
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 5: after Eldred called in. Eldred's right, like he only he
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 5: missed basically a whole year, but otherwise he's played in
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 5: most of the games. I think he missed two games
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 5: one year, one game another year, and then there was
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 5: the one year I think he tore his a cl
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 5: and missed virtually the entire year. You had three catches
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 5: all year. I like Courtland Sutton. I always have liked
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 5: Courtland Sutton, but I just don't think he's the answer.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't kick any receiver off the team right now.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 5: I told you I would have taken Denzel.
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 4: Mims, taking pretty much anybody at this.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 5: Like as a guy who was a second round pick,
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 5: hasn't you know is busted out. That's that's right in
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 5: Bill's weelhouse.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 4: He's caught an NFL pass. Sure to sign him up.
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 5: I just don't want to give up, like you know,
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 5: a day, And I don't think it would cost you
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 5: a lot to get Sutton. I don't think it would
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 5: cost you like a first, third or fourth. Yeah, maybe
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 5: not even that much.
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: Robin san Diego via Connecticut. I've had this opinion for
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: some time and wanted to see what you thought. Bill
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 2: runs things a certain way, and I don't think it's
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: changed much. When Brady was here, it worked perfectly because
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: the goat elevated all around him. Bill kept the window
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 2: Petroley opened by not going all in on many players,
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: managing spending and the locker room. You can spend and win,
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: but it doesn't last. I think Brady would have been
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: great without Bill, and Belichick would have been recognized as
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: a good coach in the league without Brady. However, Bill's
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 2: team building inconsistency, elevated by Brady is what made a
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 2: twenty something year long dynasty. I don't think Bill's approach
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: the team building works as well without Brady. I don't
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: think Brady is the goat without Bill's style of team
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: building and management that allowed for twenty years of excellence.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 4: Yes, I don't know that's right.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 5: Sure, what do you think the result would have been
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 5: if he went all in every year with Brady.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, you don't know if like
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: you know when when you start, you know the entitlement,
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 2: like guys bitching.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 5: My point is, whatever your style was was gonna work
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 5: as long as Brady was part of it. Like I mean,
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 5: I think I think.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 2: Time is but I think his point for twenty years, yeah,
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 2: and I think worked for twenty Obviously you can't go
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 2: all in every year for twenty years.
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 5: But they could have gone all in. And we've talked
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 5: about the different times. Oh six, you know, spend a
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 5: couple of million more and keep Dion Branch and you
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 5: win another Super Bowl? Yeah, right, like you could have
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 5: got Like, don't please please tell me that that time
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 5: hasn't at least caused you to think maybe it wasn't that,
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 5: maybe it wasn't team building that won all those titles,
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 5: Like at least have you at least thought about the
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 5: fact that maybe it wasn't. I'm not I'm not even
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 5: gonna tease you with my normal remark about you don't
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 5: still believe in Santa Claus? Do you do?
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 4: But I but I mean I'll bring up a point Paul,
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 4: like but like, how did Brady get six? Like I mean,
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 4: and like I don't think that he was that much six.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 5: Because they decided to be mediocre talent wise the whole time.
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 5: But no, that is Peyton Manning.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 4: Like I think that they're probably close talent wise, Like
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 4: what's the disconnect between six and two?
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 4: Like that, So you think Brady was three times the
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 4: quarter Like I just don't think Brady was three times
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 4: the quarterback. Peyton Manning was.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 5: I think he's it was. I think it was razor
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 5: thin and he was just a little bit better when
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 5: it counted. And that's why they got to.
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 2: Host defense was better than the cults.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 5: I think, unquestionably. But that's that's where you actually went
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 5: in like first round picks up front, like you did
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 5: invest in that that was going all in true?
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 2: No they yeah, David writes in uh, I recently thought
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 2: about this as it's happened a few times. When was
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 2: the last time a sports game or moment made you cry,
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 2: either tears of joy or sadness? And what was it?
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: If it counts? I cried like a baby after watching
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 2: Brady's fake retirement video by the Patriots a couple of
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 2: years ago. I don't think I've ever cried.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 4: And I'd admit it too, but like not only my
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 4: own sporting events. I losing off games in high school,
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 4: you know, tears, but really, I don't think a sport
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 4: team like a professional.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: I cried after looking at a third strike in an
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: All Star Babe Ruth game.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 5: That's a good one.
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 2: How old were you I was, I don't know, I
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 2: was twelve or whatever. We're coming back. We were playing Cooperstown,
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 2: New York, and runners on second and third. I think
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 2: we were behind by three, two outs in the last inning,
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: and I looked at a third strike watched.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 4: It get the bat shoulder Fred.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 5: I don't think I've ever cried, certainly not as a fan.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 5: I know I never cried over a game.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 5: I've bitched and moaned about plenty. I don't know. I
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 5: don't really remember. I do remember misplaying a fly ball
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 5: in the last inning of a game and senior Babe Ruth,
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 5: I was like sixteen, sixteen or sad I was I
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 5: was old. I was like sixteen or seventeen and being
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 5: completely distraught. I don't remember crying about it, but I
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 5: cost our team the game. Routine flyball I looked like
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 5: it was coming right to me, was over my head.
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 2: I cry.
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 4: I think I told the story about Babson junior year
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 4: when I like missed the puck and my stick broke
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 4: and the stick half the stick one up in the
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 4: air and hit my dift this in the middle of
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 4: the game defensive partner in the head, and I kind
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 4: of laughed and like got off the field and they
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 4: went down and scored, and I'd like gotten benched, and
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 4: like it was one of those things like that the team,
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 4: the team won, but I felt like I was just
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 4: extracted from the team and I that was that was
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 4: one of the most miserable experiences of like my sporting
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 4: just And it's weird that it was like sparked by
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 4: like this random play where my stick broke and hit
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 4: somebody in the head and I kind of laughed and
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 4: was out of the game for a second.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 5: But that's when I was a good one. I mean,
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 5: those are the most disappointed.
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 4: I've worked for me, Like why won't this work? Why
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 4: can't I get it right right now, like and be
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 4: a part of the team, And yeah, that's similar.
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 5: Things like that are the most disappointed I've ever been
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 5: in sports. Is when things aren't going well for me,
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 5: and then all of a sudden the team does well
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 5: and you have that conflicted feeling.
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that's why I did individual sports. Eventually, I
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: just wanted to play. I don't care I'm not a
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 2: good team player. I don't want to watch. I want
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 2: to play every minute, and that you could do that
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: in individual sports, you know, it was all you.
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 4: Well, that was the hardest was my junior year when
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 4: I had Mono, which Paul pointed out after my first bars.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 5: On the show.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 4: You know, you sit up in the stands and your
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 4: job was to chart how the defensemen were doing, like
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 4: how many giveaways they had and stuff. So you're in
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 4: kind of a weird position where you know, at that point,
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 4: I'm like, you know, I'm trying to hope that the
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 4: fifth or sixth defenseman has brutal turnovers or you know
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 4: that has terrible plays, and so you know, you're a
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 4: little bit motivated to be like, you know, checking out
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 4: the turnovers and a hard place to be. I'll say too,
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 4: I have such respect for and I'll always say this
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 4: guy Brian Occasion, who was at the time a sophomore
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 4: on our team, and we made it all the way
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 4: to the MAC Finals, my last game senior year championship game,
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 4: and one of our other seniors who had missed a
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 4: bunch of time with knee injuries, one of our beloved
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 4: guys was like, I think I can go tonight. And
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 4: the sophomore, Brian Occasion, was the guy who was out
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 4: for the championship game to let our senior play. And
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 4: I just always thought so much of that move to
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 4: like kind of sacrifice yourself to a kid who you
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 4: know really probably was only on one leg at the time,
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 4: could play like in his last game. It was just
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 4: like something that the other side of it never forgot
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 4: that kid stepping up being a team player.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 5: You know, yeah, Fred wouldn't have done that. I remember,
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 5: so I got a tennis match.
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 2: Freshman basketball were at practice and half of us were
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 2: hung over, the other half were sick, and Brad Kimball
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 2: took a tip off and started dribbling the wrong way
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: down the court and I started cracking up, and the
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 2: coach kicked me out of practice. He's the one going
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: the wrong way. To coach, I got laughing at him,
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: and then I turn around and then the whole team's
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: behind me. Then he just everybody out, just take the showers.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 5: It's crazy.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 2: It was awful. We were just like out of it.
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 2: It's the best.
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 4: I mean, all this stuff is. I mean, it's it's
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 4: so much about like when you play sports growing up,
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 4: like did you win or lose?
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 5: It's like it's not really ever about that.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 4: It's all about these experiences with like you know, learning
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 4: to other teammates and that comes.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like we like we probably made the States once
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 2: or twice in different sports, but like that's not what
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 2: I remember, you know, practice. Yeah, I remember kicking one
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 2: of our soccer coaches in the cap and the shin
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 2: as he went by, and you know, sent him flying,
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 2: and he's.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 5: Like, who did that?
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 2: Who did that? Was you? He's pointing at me. I
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 2: saw red because I was wearing a red shirt?
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 4: Was that you?
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 2: And you know, oh I sent them? But like things
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 2: like that you remember.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 2: Uh, all right, good good, good stuff. Let's go back
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 2: to the phones. Dan's in Virginia and Michigan. What's up, Dan?
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 24: Hey Ford? First off, thank you for the clarification on
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 24: the whole gentlemine.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 12: Uh.
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 24: Conversation.
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: You're welcome, welcome.
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 24: I apologize if I miss misrepresented anybody's position, although it
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 24: doesn't have to me wondering what exactly it was you
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 24: arguing about.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 5: Absolutely, as was always the case, dan Fred has moved
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 5: the one.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 24: But the question of today is in terms of expectations
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 24: for the coming season.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 24: It's easy for us as fans to remember, you know,
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 24: when our team made the shift back into contender status
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 24: by you know, signing a top flight QB or changing
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 24: their head coach who you know, changed the approach and
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 24: the team went from bottom of the bottom to the top.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 24: But how often does it happen that a team kind
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 24: of incrementally makes its way back to contender status. You know,
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 24: they're they're not able to add a superstar, they're not
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 24: going to they're not changing their head coach. But they
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 24: had just those pieces here and there to become a contender,
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 24: you know, kind of I guess, I guess to put
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 24: it in a simple way, does it happen quickly or
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 24: does it not happen at all?
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 2: It's a good question.
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 23: How often does it to a contender?
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 5: How often does that rebuild work with the same coach? Yeah,
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 5: see that's to me, that's the ex coach. Not very
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 5: many guys, I would say Baltimore is worked.
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 2: Right, because owners don't have the patience for one.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 5: Thing, right, most most teams don't don't do it that way.
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 2: How how long when Carol went to the Seahawks, how
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 2: quickly did they win?
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 5: They got good as soon as Russell Wilson was then
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 5: okay twelve.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 4: But I mean, I think you just have to catch lightning.
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 5: But that's not what you're talking about. He's talking about
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 5: a team that was good and then they go through
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 5: a lull. They keep the same coach, so it's not
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 5: like this dramatic change like Denver with John Fox got
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 5: Peyton Manning, Like, that's not what we're talking about. I
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 5: assume Dan, right, So I don't think there's a lot
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 5: of I think Baltimore might be an example.
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 4: But but again, like got Lamar, and you know, like.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 5: They've sort of gone through like some peaks and valleys.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 5: They've been better. Even with Flaco, they had some down
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 5: years then they went back up, and even Pittsburgh, but
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 5: Pittsburgh's never gone down well and relatively he's never had
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 5: a losing season.
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 24: Yeah, you agree with Baltimore, even though it's like, you know,
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 24: they dropped Lamar and that's.
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's what Mike said. It's it's it's hard to
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 7: really come up with them because nobody once you stop
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 7: having success, the coach generally goes right right now, you
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 7: bring in someone else, I mean, bring.
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 4: Up you know, Andy Reid with you know, Alex Smith
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 4: and his competitive and then all of a sudden you
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 4: get Patrick Mahomes and.
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 5: Now it's like, oh my god.
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 4: Now, but they also right, I just I tied to
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 4: the quarterback. I think it's mostly you know, Montana to
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 4: to young Far to Rogers. I mean, the times it's
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 4: been able to happen, it's because you've lucked into or
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 4: you've randomly hit on that next quarterback. And you know,
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 4: that's what I think the Patriots were hoping. Mac Jones
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 4: was is you know, especially a fifteenth overall that.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an impatient league. So you know, if there
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 2: are any examples of the what you're exactly talking about,
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 2: it's rare.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 24: You know, I can't Gibbs Washington.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 5: But which which time, like would they media like, I
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 5: don't know enough between I felt like they were always good. Okay,
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 5: you can correct.
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I don't know, but.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 5: We look up.
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but thanks Dan, thanks for the call. Uh Danny's
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 2: in Florida. What's up, Danny?
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 27: Hey, guys, how you guys do it?
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 2: Okay?
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 28: Hey, so I've been called it the other day. I've
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 28: been wanting to say this all off season.
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 2: Uh the topic.
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 27: Online, but uh, I feel like too many, like as
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 27: the fans and uh as the beat writers, you know,
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 27: you got your guys.
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 28: You guys, yourself, and uh all the guys out there,
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 28: I feel like.
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 27: Too many people are focusing on the offense, and too
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 27: many people are focusing on the defense.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 28: Like I feel like we're all failing to uh forget
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 28: the whole aspect of the three phases that Bill has
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 28: always talked about. The Patriots have failed together as playing
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 28: complimentary football, like in the kicking game. I guess you
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 28: saw last year. Kicking game was a disaster. They lost
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 28: a lot of games in the kicking game. And people
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 28: don't are honing in too much offense.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 2: Listen, Danny, you you you're absolutely right. I mean, we
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 2: talked about the beginning of the show. One of the
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 2: one of them. One of the bullet points of this
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 2: decline has been the undisciplined play on all sides of
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 2: the ball, especially special teams.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 23: You know, yeah.
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 27: Yeah, So I'm curious to see what Joe Judge does.
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 27: I think a lot of people, you know, shamed him,
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 27: and I mean he did deserve the shame of Bill
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 27: put him in a bad spot being the quarterbacks go.
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 27: So I want to see what Joe Judge does, uh,
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 27: you know, kind of overseeing the special teams because I'm
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 27: actually very curious to see how the kicker they drafted
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 27: the partner.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 28: I care about that phase of the game too, And.
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 27: I'm kind of curious to see, you know, the team
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 27: collectively because as you see all the great teams in
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 27: the NFL, they play good in all three phases.
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 5: Kansas City and Philadelphia don't. Yeah, they have the two
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 5: worst special teams units in football, according to Rick Goslin,
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 5: who charged that.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you gotta admit Danny it right now. It's
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 2: all it's offense.
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 5: I hope to never see either one of those rookie
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 5: kickers as that. But I hope they have an offense
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 5: that never punts, and I hope they have a red
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 5: zone offense that always scores touchdowns. But the only time
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 5: we see Ryland is our extra points.
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 2: But you need to you need to be balanced, and
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 2: you need you need all phases of the team to
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 2: be smart.
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah, except for they're not all equal. Yeah no, just
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 5: real quick, I looked up the Redskins in eighty two
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 5: is when they won the first one. They were eight
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 5: and one. It was a strike year, fourteen and two,
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 5: eleven and five, ten and six, twelve and four, eleven
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 5: and four, seven and nine and eighty eight, ten and six,
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 5: ten and six, fourteen and two, nine and seven, and
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 5: then they finally fell off.
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 4: That's pretty good. That's a good stretch.
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 5: So in that span they won three titles, but they
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 5: never really dipped.
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 4: They won one one down season. That's impressive.
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 2: Let's go to Enrique in New Mexico. What's up Enrique?
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 8: Hey guys all you continue right? Yep, okay, this first
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 8: on Color here.
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 14: I'm the guy that you sang you trigger for since
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 14: trivia questions.
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 2: Oh you do the super Bowl trivia questions? Yeah, those
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 2: are good.
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 8: I hope you have a super Bowl and regularly absolutely No.
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 8: I just want to cult today, so I have a
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 8: question for you. I'm a fast fans in thirty six
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 8: that's seen the lowest of below and high, so we
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 8: can all agree that you, I mean, really the deal
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 8: process is not working, you know. Next well, so, but
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 8: I'm also listening to Michael Lombardi, I like sometimes to
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 8: my merchs a little bit. Well, I like, so my
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 8: question how much in relationships with you guys? With Michael when.
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 2: He was by, Uh, I didn't really know him at all,
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 2: to be honest with you, I might have said hello
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 2: to him once or twice. Who Mike Mike Lombardi.
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah, I talked to him. I pretend that I
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 5: know him.
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, Enrique and to everyone else, there's a
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 2: separation of church and state here. This is not like
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 2: the ESPN commercial cafeteria com Yeah. I mean we see
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 2: them on the road mostly, you know, like I sit
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 2: next to matc grow and Elliott Wolf on the road
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 2: and you know, talk to him a little bit mostly listen. Yeah,
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 2: but like we're not encouraged to be friends with anyone.
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 5: Who was the guy that you didn't realize? What was it?
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 5: John Robinson? Yeah, but you didn't realize.
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 2: It was Yeah, I asked him, do you have a
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 2: credential to be sitting here?
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 5: I was going to leave that part out.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 2: Well, I had never seen him up in the press
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 2: box before, and I never actually saw him in person
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 2: before you know, so I get into the press box,
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 2: you know, you have your routine and you get there
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 2: Sunday morning, you start unloading and this this guy sitting
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 2: there and I'm like, hey, you're supposed to be here,
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 2: so yeah, ahead of pro personnel scouting or whatever.
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 4: I wish you kept it going because he was here
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 4: with a couple of years ago for the for the
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 4: playoff game. When he was sitting there like that would
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 4: have been like, you know, hey, you got a credential,
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 4: you you could give him a little ribbon.
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Now what's he doing? Did he ever get a
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 2: job after Tennessee?
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 5: I don't think so. I've heard I don't think so.
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 12: Uh.
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 2: One more call Todd's in North Carolina. Hey Todd, Hey, guys.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 29: When you're talking about coaches and teams that go through
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 29: lulls and then nowag to come back, I think Pete
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 29: Carroll's kind of doing that right now with the Sea.
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 5: I think that's a good That's about as close as
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 5: I could think of. That's a good one, Todd. Yeah,
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 5: so what Dan is talking about, they were really good.
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 5: A couple of trips to the Super Bowl one one
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 5: kind of fell off and now they look like they're
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 5: back on the rise, although I don't think they're all
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 5: that good.
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 4: Would you invest in Gino Smith?
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 5: Like that's the question, right, That's what they did.
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 29: Yeah, this is where I want to go. What does
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 29: it take to get do we have?
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 17: Have we had?
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 29: What it takes to really get those quarterbacks going? Because look,
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 29: Gino Smith was somewhere else and god, the poor bugger
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 29: was in the Jets and he just like died because
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 29: he was in this this division. Like what does it
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 29: take to get a quarterback like that over the hump?
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 29: Because suddenly he goes and everybody I'd written him off.
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 29: I never thought that I think he was going to
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 29: be anything, But he's actually I think personally, maybe I'm wrong,
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 29: Maybe you guys have a better eyesight on this. I
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 29: think he's performing at a much much higher level than
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 29: he ever did at the Jet What do you think
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 29: is absolutely.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 4: I agree with you, But I think he's a unicorn.
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 4: I just don't think he was ever.
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 5: I think he's perfectly adequate. I don't think he was
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 5: anything special last year. You guys think much more of
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 5: him than I do. I don't think I think he
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 5: had a couple of good games early in the year,
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 5: and because he hadn't played in so long, it was
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 5: a huge thing. I think that Kirk Cousins like thoroughly
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 5: mediocre kind of guy. I think that's Gino Smith. I
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 5: don't think he's.
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 4: Well, I can still think he's thoroughly mediocre and think
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 4: he was better.
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 5: Than I saw him play like that, but the Jets here,
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 5: I never saw him throw deep balls like you through
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 5: last year. And you know, but I just think.
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 4: It's a it's a total unique situation.
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 5: And Tatara guy plays to that level. And to Todd's point,
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 5: he's right like he was in this division playing against Belichick.
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 5: You know, well that's the more different.
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 4: Right, Well, that's like the Mac thing. I mean, Max got,
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 4: you know, a tough, tough schedule to go against. You know,
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 4: could Mac go somewhere else and but but still Stanta
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 4: Cy West, that's you know.
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 5: I mean, I'd be I'm going to be very curious.
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 5: I might be dead wrong. I could be dead wrong
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 5: on this one. If he comes out Gino and has
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 5: another like really good year. Like I don't think he
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 5: was that great last year. I think he had a
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 5: couple of really good games early and became like the
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 5: darling of a comebacks A great story. You know, it
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 5: was a great it was a great story. Absolutely, maybe
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 5: he was better than I'm giving him credit for. We'll see.
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 5: Maybe you guys are right.
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 2: Joe and Michigan. If the season is a disaster, I
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 2: would say owners have to make a change. If a success,
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 2: if it's if it's if it's a success, then onward
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 2: and up its success meeting playoffs. Also, I think Malik
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 2: Cunningham is going to be a big surprise for us.
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 4: I hope one of those guys is a surprise. I
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 4: don't really have a favorite, but I think one of
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 4: those young guys needs to do something. I hope because
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 4: if they go into the season with just four receivers
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 4: and you know, two of them are Thornton and you
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 4: know Parker that have been hurt all the time.
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 5: It's like ice, what do you think it'd be a
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 5: big surprise as.
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 4: I mean, i'd have to probably say a slot receiver,
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 4: I guess, So would that be good? I mean, if
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 4: you know, because then he's going to be playing what
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 4: over juju or he's taken snaps.
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 5: From I'm just saying, like I'm going to operate under
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 5: the premise that he's not Edelman, Like I mean, obviously
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 5: if he turns out to be like this great weapon
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 5: for the next ten years in the slot, and that
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 5: would be awesome. I'm not anticipating like a big surprise
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 5: is like that's the best, Like to your point, like
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 5: he's better than Booty, He's better than Douglas's, better than
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 5: Trey Nixon's. That's not a great thing for the Patriots,
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 5: Like these guys should be one of those guys should
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 5: be expected to be a better player than a guy
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 5: who played quarterback last year, Right, I would hope.
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 4: I would hope.
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 5: Now if you're going to tell me he's going to
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 5: be a big surprise because they're going to use him
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 5: as this dual threat guy who like Kordell Stewart at
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 5: the beginning slash, Yeah, okay, that that could be a
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 5: surprise and that could be valuable. You know, they're gonna
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 5: put him in for a couple of packages to play quarterback.
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 5: They're going to throw him out there under center, and
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 5: then they sprint him out. You know, you have him
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 5: and Mac out there at the same time, and right,
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 5: no light out, you're lighting out. I'm here for all
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 5: of that. I think if that kind of stuff happens,
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 5: that could be a very pleasant surprise.
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, but most likely I think he's got practice squad
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 4: written all over him. For the reasons we've talked to him.
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 5: I think I'm just going off of the way he
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 5: talked to us. He said he's strictly a wide receiver
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 5: right now, and I just find it to believe that
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 5: you're gonna catch lightning in a bottle again like that.
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 2: Josh and Turner's fall rights in. Firstly, Paul is top
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 2: three with Mike Reese and Phil Perry.
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 5: Hey, that's the best compliment ever, because those are two
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 5: incredibly nice people.
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 2: Made my week when I saw that Six Rings had
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 2: him as a guest. If he is walking around practice
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 2: before it starts next Friday, I'll be the one yelling
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 2: in him to try to again an autograph. Secondly, i'm
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 2: allowed to do I don't know what we're doing it. Secondly,
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 2: I'm glad the Hopkins thing is over. Maybe we won't
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 2: make the playoffs, maybe we won't be overly competitive, but
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 2: I think younger players are going to get a chance,
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 2: and that's what I want to see from a rebuilding team.
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 2: You guys are the number one podcast out there, keep
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 2: it up.
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 4: That's right.
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 5: No, I that's not strong positive vibes.
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 4: That's my sentiment. That's what's got me excited for next
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 4: week is to you know, get these guys out there
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 4: and see what the what the kids look like and
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 4: you know it's I mean, you guys have experienced it.
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 4: I've been here since twenty nineteen. I haven't experienced it.
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 4: I haven't seen a new star player suddenly show up
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 4: on the roster and start performing it star level and
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 4: be like, oh my god, we got a guy right
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 4: now like that. I just haven't been here for that,
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 4: And that, to me is the way out of this.
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 4: And the most exciting thing about the team is if
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 4: a couple of these young kids just really really really
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 4: look like they know how they can play, and not
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 4: just oh he'll make the team, Yeah he'll be the
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 4: fifth receiver. No, Like, I mean, wow, this is a
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 4: this is a special pair.
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 5: And my boys on my show is always telling me,
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 5: you know, don't cross sports, right, but like it's kind
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 5: of like the Red Sox. Like I'm not really overly
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 5: enthusiastic about the twenty three Red Sox, but what does
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 5: have me encouraged is they have a handful of younger
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 5: players that look like they might be here in two
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 5: or three years, like Brian Bail, like I watch. You know,
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 5: obviously yesterday was not a good example, but that's a
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 5: guy that you could build on. Garrett Whitlock. I don't
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 5: know about him yet.
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 4: But Yoshida he seems like a wild card.
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I don't know why.
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 2: You know, it's like he should be.
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 5: But like Yoshida, you know, looks like you know, they
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 5: went out and identified a guy they got mocked and
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 5: ridiculed for it. He's you know, he's been okay.
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 2: It leads the American League in average.
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I know, but they told me, those same guys
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 5: tell me that average doesn't matter. So I want, you know,
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 5: I want to see more. I'm not, but but all
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 5: of a sudden, there's what you think might be a
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 5: nucleus of four or five players that will be you know,
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 5: obviously Devers is part of that because you invested in
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 5: him long term. You know, maybe Tristan Cassas, he's been
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 5: a little bit better the last month or so than
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 5: he was earlier in the year. So they didn't have
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 5: any of this last year. They didn't have any of this.
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 2: Last year, Rob rights in, I wanted to get some
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 2: quick offseason bantering before things pick up with training camp.
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 2: Won a few shows ago, Fred said white pizza is
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 2: not real pizza. I stand by that. While I agreed
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 2: with the previous statement about Italian subs needing oil vinegar
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 2: to be Italian subs, I think this pizza stance is wrong.
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 2: One of the most revered pizza establishments in the country
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 2: is Pepe's and New Haven. I used to live there,
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 2: and the most famous pie is a white clam pizza.
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, it's not pizza fly fishing. No, And when
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 2: did Brady become the goat? At one point he must
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 2: have been an approachable later round pick that you would
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 2: see in the stadium and could say hello to. When
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 2: did he transcend that in your interactions or did he's.
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 5: A great question? Huh yeah, you guys are three?
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 4: Oh you think it was that soon four after two
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 4: titles or on the way to two?
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 5: On the way like he was extremely approachable even in
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 5: oh one while that was going on. Oh no, it
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 5: was well before that.
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 2: All right, Well, that's going to be it for this
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 2: edition of Patriots Unfiltered. A brand new episode of Catch
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 2: twenty two coming up with Evan and Alex, So stay
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 2: tuned for that. Don't call though it's pre recorded, but
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 2: it is a brand new episode. They had a lot
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 2: to say, so you want to stay tuned for that
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 2: Catch twenty two. As for us, we'll see you next Tuesday.
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